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Star Wars Digital Projection Theaters

Zoreta writes "Wired Magazine lists the 19 digital projection theaters in the country where Attack of the Clones can be viewed as Lucas intended." Say what you will, I can't wait for AotC- digital projector or not. I just wish *blatant non subtle hinting* some kind soul could get me into an early showing in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area ;) And at least I have spiderman to tide me over. Sam Rami vs. George Lucas. Gonna be a fun summer.

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  1. General Cinema Framingham, MA by WinDoze · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Only way to see a movie! Reserved seating, big leather seats, individual tables at each seat, and best of all, a FULL BAR (also meaning nobody under 21 allowed!)! Nothing like watching a flick with a martini while sitting in a nice leather chair. Check it out. I can never go to a "regular" theater again.

    1. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by FortKnox · · Score: 2

      Geeeeez... that's like a pressbox in a sports stadium.

      I live about 10 minutes from the Springdale, OH theater, but they have nothing like that (and its only a couple years old).

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    2. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thanks for posting, you bastard. Now you're gonna Slashdot the theater.

    3. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Grape+Shasta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, personally I only really enjoy movies when I can get absorbed by them and forget everything but the show. The best part about theaters is that they are dark, devoid of distaction (ideally), and the screen fills your view. So actually, sitting in dim lighting with people walking around serving drinks sounds rather annoying. But that's just me.

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    4. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 2

      Damn! I was just about to lament having to go to Framingham from NH. I think you just convinced me, but only if they stock Capt. Morgan.

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    5. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by TwoStep · · Score: 2

      How much do they charge though? They don't seem to allow you to buy online...

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    6. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by CaseyB · · Score: 2

      Do you pay more for a ticket, or do they just expect to make it back from your bar tab?

    7. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by chrisvr · · Score: 2

      How many of the theaters at Framingham are equipped with the digital projection equipment? The AMC site doesn't mention anything about the premium theaters having the digital equipment in particular.

      I imagine the reason that there aren't many theaters equipped is because it's pricey.

      So if Framingham only has one theater with the equipment, I'd wonder if they'd keep it for the premium one, meaning that the non-pricey ticket folks (and young under 21 whippersnappers) are relegated to seeing it in the same old boring format.

      Hmmm, part of me wants to cry out against elitism but the other part of me is strangely drawn to the martinis, wide seats and concierge.

    8. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by 56ker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Being 6'4'' the thing I look for in a cinema is enough room for me to sit comfortably and stretch my legs.

    9. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you need to start watching movies in the comfort of your own home. You may have heard of an invention called "video".

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    10. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's time to change your .sig

    11. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by soulsteal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Being 6'4'' the thing I look for in a cinema is enough room for me to sit comfortably and stretch my legs.

      Amen brother. being 6' 5" makes sitting in movie theater rows awful cramped. Plus I can't find a place to keep my huge feets. =/

    12. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by WinDoze · · Score: 2

      They don't serve you in your seat once the movie starts. You can, however, get up and go out to the bar on your own. Best bet is to just order a couple drinks on the way in so you don't have to get up halfway through.

    13. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by tps12 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is nothing special. I always just pick up a 40 on the way to the theater. Among the many benefits of this technique is that if you see the same movie twice (like, once with your family and once with your friends) you won't spoil the ending for yourself.

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    14. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2
      Being 6'4'' the thing I look for in a cinema is enough room for me to sit comfortably and stretch my legs.

      Hey, I know you! You're the person that sits right in front of me at every movie I attend. I'm sure it sucks being tall and trying to pry yourself into one of those tiny theater seats, but being short and not being able to see the screen over all the heads really blows as well. That is why I have only attended theaters with stadium seating in the past few years.

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    15. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Deven · · Score: 2

      I live about 10 minutes from the Springdale, OH theater, but they have nothing like that (and its only a couple years old).

      I live in Greenhills, which is within 10 minutes of that Springdale theater. I wasn't aware that they have a DLP projector, but they do. In fact, my wife saw a digital movie projected by their DLP projector; she said it was incredible, and she was very disappointed with the quality next time she saw a normal film. (I guess I'll have to make a point of going to see a digital movie there soon!)

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    16. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by hoggoth · · Score: 2

      >> Being 6'4'' the thing I look for in a cinema is enough room for me to sit comfortably and stretch my legs.
      > Amen brother. being 6' 5" makes sitting in movie theater rows awful cramped. Plus I can't find a place to keep my huge feets. =/

      You said it man. Being 6'6" sure is a drag because I am so huge. In fact, slightly huger than you.

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    17. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by Cplus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear ya boys. Being 12' tall has made it almost impossible for me to survive in the modern world. Sure I've got a two foot penis, but it's not worth it when I can't get out of my house.

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    18. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by acoustix · · Score: 2

      Technically there should be dim lightning in a theatre. It isn't supposed to be dark (as in no light). There should always be dim lights somewhere in the theatre. (usually in the ceiling pointing to the walls).

      But maybe that's what you meant.

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    19. Re:General Cinema Framingham, MA by jrp2 · · Score: 2

      Reserved seating, big leather seats, individual tables at each seat, and best of all, a FULL BAR

      Hmmm, looks pretty nice. There is one of those in my area, but it is a good 30 miles away. Here in downtown Chicago there is something kinda similar. It is called "Brew and View". It is a concert venue that is a theatre when there are no concerts. Nowhere near as posh, but a bar and you can smoke!!! Cigarettes that is, but I have smelled other things ;)

      It is pretty cool, they generally play some decent movie first, then something very heckelable second (as most are pretty trashed by then). Probably a whole lot cheaper too. $5 to get in and they usually have $2 pitchers of some piss water beer that is generally quite tolerable after the first several (who cares after 6 or 7 anyway).

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  2. Hmmm...clones of whom, now? by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think Taco will be near so eager to see AotC when he realizes the full title is "Attack of the Clones of Jar-Jar Binks"

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    1. Re:Hmmm...clones of whom, now? by curunir · · Score: 2

      Hmmm...meesa think the title for that would be: "Attack of the Clowns"...

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  3. star theaters by spoonyfork · · Score: 2, Informative

    Commander Taco, I could suggest contacting someone at Star Theaters. I'm sure you could get into some advanced screening with press credentials. Here's the URL:

    http://startheatres.moviefone.com/

    I'd shoot for the Star Southfield -- stadium seating and THX r0x0rs.

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  4. Money money by DenOfEarth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder how much this is gonna keep the ticket prices going up...

  5. Saw digital Phantom Menace by crow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw the digital projection of The Phantom Menace in New Jersey, and was impressed. The picture was absolutely perfect. I'm not certain I would have noticed the difference if I hadn't been told, but ever since I've noticed film glitches in other movies--little flecks on a frame or dammage due to having been played too many times.

    So this time it's 16 instead of 2. Hopefully in a few years it will become standard.

    1. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I watched TPM in the LA area when it was released. I came in being a film snob sure that digital would never replace a reel.

      I left wondering when the theatres would get around to making this standard. The picture quality was as good or better then 35mm, and the lack of artifacts in the projection was great.

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    2. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      You hadn't noticed those before? Yikes. Films are really quite messy when you pay attention to them. It's what comes when you have to print and duplicate thousands of reels. Individual quality suffers.

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    3. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by crow · · Score: 2

      Oh, I had noticed the defects in film before, but I hadn't ever thought to watch for them. Now that I know there is an alternative, every glitch grates.

      It's like watching VHS. I used to not think about how horrible the quality is. Now that I normally watch everyting on ReplayTV or DVD, the fuzziness of VHS is intollerable.

    4. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      The picture was absolutely perfect.

      Jar-Jar doesn't show up on a digital projector?

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    5. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by flimflam · · Score: 2

      Interesting. Apparently I'm one of the only people not overly impressed with DLP projection. Perhaps one reason is that I work for a company that sells the things so I've become intimately familiar with their flaws. Basically, they're still too low-res (not even full 1080P res), and they flicker unevenly. If you sit too close to the screen you can see the individual pixels, and if you look closely you can see a little black spot at the center of each one where where the tiny mirror pivots.

      There's already higher-res versions in the works as well as a couple of competing technologies which is on of the myriad of reasons why no one actually wants to spend the ~$100,000 for one of these things now.

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    6. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by sg3000 · · Score: 2

      > I saw the digital projection of The Phantom
      > Menace in New Jersey, and was impressed.

      I agree. I saw it in Plano, TX, and the result was incredible. Very crystal clear and lifelike. What's interesting is when the scenes with the real actors appeared, they looked grainer and worse than the digitally rendered scenes. I'm looking forward to 'Clones in a digital theatre.

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    7. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by MaxVlast · · Score: 2

      Really? I hate what DVD looks like. I'd much rather see analog fuzz than that awful digital compression. Particularly in the dark tones. I'm terribly disappointed in DVDs, as a matter of fact. The only thing I do like is the number of devices that play them.

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    8. Re:Saw digital Phantom Menace by jrp2 · · Score: 2

      Basically, they're still too low-res (not even full 1080P res)

      Perhaps a stupid question. Is the original "filmed" (or shot, or whatever you call it) at that res? If so, then the celluloid version would just be a copy of a digital rendering at that res.

      I am guessing it is shot at a higher res, and this is just a limitation of the projector, but had to ask.

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  6. Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Walker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder about this, seeing as I have been quite unimpressed by digital cable. True, the picture is extremely clear when it is working perfectly. However, it is not very fault tolerant. A bad analog signal might give me a little snow; I can still enjoy the program. Even a slightly bad digital signal causes massive pixelation; when that happens you cannot make out anything on the screen at all. The Moral: digital is better when it works, but worse when it does not.

    1. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Michael+O-P · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it is absolutely that much better. You bring up good observations, but TI and the other company that does digital projection knew they needed to match film and that viewers wouldn't tolerate pixelation. When I get poor picture quality on my Dish, it's because of the compression and decompression of the digital signal. Sure Dish Network can cram 500 channels on their satellites, but picture quality suffers. Same with digital cable.

      With digital "film" projection, there isn't the same level of compression/decompression. They have as much bandwidth as they need since it's feeding off of a hard drive rather than over cables or through the air.

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    2. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by justinstreufert · · Score: 3, Informative

      Digital cable is bad because cable companies seem to be trying to use it as a way to squeeze more channels into their datastream. "Ooh! This fancy MPEG can compress Discovery Science down to 9600 bps! Then we can add the All-Curling Network. Whaddya think, boss?"

      At least Comcast in Montgomery County, Maryland has been going down this dark path; their digital channels exhibit far worse quality than the analog ones (which are already pretty horrid).

      As for bad signals causing severe glitching, I don't think that will apply in digital projection. Since the source of the signal (Hard disk? How do studios distribute digital movies? anyone?) is in the same room with the display device, there isn't likely to be glitching.

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    3. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by mosch · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, digital cable has significantly lower resolution than analog cable. Even when it's working perfectly, it doesn't look as good as analog. The moral: digital != better.

    4. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 2
      Hmm.. I hadn't thought about it that way.. This may mean that digital TV is going to be the death knell of 'OK reception in the rural areas'. It'll be fine for the cities near antennas, but I'd never be able to recieve things like broadcasts from Vancouver Island in the City of Vancouver.

      Reception is bad enough in analog. With digital, I expect that all I'd see would be 400 really large pixels floating across the screen and the sounds of a Vogon enunciator.

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    5. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Shagg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Digital cable is not broadcasting digital video signals (HDTV). Digital cable is currently used to compress analog video into smaller pieces so that they can put more channels in the same bandwidth However, once you receive the information in your digital cable box and send it to your TV, it is identical resolution/quality to an analog signal. In fact, it *is* an analog signal. The only way to get a digital video/audio signal into your TV is if you have an HDTV with a HD tuner.

      HD (high definition digital) cable has just recently been announced, and is only available in very select markets (Philidelphia right now, and WashingtonDC/Baltimore later this year for Comcast).

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    6. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Quikah · · Score: 2

      If your only alternative is to watch a print that was dragged through the mud, walked on, cut and pasted back together a few times then yes digital projection is better. If you actually have a good theater by you that is able to properly handle the film (long shot these days) then it is a toss up which I would give to film since there is no pixelization which is noticeable if you sit too close.

      I haven't seen a digital projection since TPM so it may have improved since then.

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    7. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Actually, digital cable has significantly lower resolution than analog cable. Even when it's working perfectly, it doesn't look as good as analog.

      That REALLY depends on which channels you're talking about, which cable company you have, etc. I've got TimeWarner digital cable in central Florida. I've got all the movie channels, the works. Even the HD channels (NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, WB, PBS, HBO, and Showtime).

      The ESPN digital channel looks like shit. However the main HBO and Showtime digital channels look much better than when I compare them to the HBO and Showtime analog channels at my friend's house.

      My guess is HBO and similar digital channels pay more money to Time Warner for better compression (or perhaps the way HBO transfers the feed to Time Warner comes into play). HBO is owned by AOL Time Warner, so that may even come into play.

      My point is, the statement that digital channels have less resolution than analog channels is pure bullshit. SOME digital channels look worse than their analog counterpart, some look better.

      And of course, the HD channels are superb.

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    8. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by blamanj · · Score: 2

      Not according to critic Roger Ebert. I heard him on KQED (San Francisco) recently, and he thought digital was inferior, even for digitally-created films.

      This has nothing to do with the delivery quality, which is your problem with cable, but with color and resolution.

    9. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by bughunter · · Score: 2
      It looks nice, but's not as high resolution as you would think.

      A colleague of mine told me a surprising story a couple of years ago, right before Ep. 1 came out. She worked on a project to develop a 6-megapixel CCD chip for cinematic cameras. Her employer apparently embarked on this, and actually cut silicon, before consulting with studios. Once they did, they were shocked to learn that most cinematic cameras use only 1.3 megapixel (1280x1024) -- the studios discovered that audiences didn't react well to too much resolution. Viewers complain the pictures look "too perfect." In post production, the filmmakers actually have to add noise to make the image look more natural.

      The CCD folks tried hard to sell the hi-res chip with advantages like better aliasing performance, better Modulation Transfer Function, better interpolation capability to mask bad pixels, less sensitivity to fixed pattern noise, etc... but apparently it is still cheaper to fix all those digital artifacts in software during post production rather than start with a higher resolution image. The real showstopper, though, was storage. A 4x increase in storage size for the raw master affected the cost of all their equipment...

      Maybe one day audiences will come to expect ultra-sharp, zero noise moving pictures, but right now, many of us operate our 19"+ monitors at higher resolutions than what they'll project SW:AoTC in.

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    10. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by swordboy · · Score: 2

      I wonder about this, seeing as I have been quite unimpressed by digital cable.

      Digital cable is a sham.

      Digital Cable = Digitally Compressed Analog TV

      The only thing that this does is reduce bandwidth requirements and increase the amount of time needed to flip between channels. If you want to see real digital TV, then go check out a *real* HDTV display (most of the displays are just analog TV, not digital). For the ultimate, get a Dish Network HDTV receiver. They offer the best picture quality (IMHO).

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    11. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by binaryDigit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whoa, hold your horses there. HDTV is NOT simply "broadcasting digital signals". HDTV is a standard (in the US) that encompasses many aspects of digital media including the format of the content, the specs for displays, the format for transmission, etc. HDTV does not necessarily imply digital (though it does here in the states, but not so in countries such as Japan which use(d) an analog standard). The resolution of a digital signal is not necessarily the same as the analog representation, since in the case of most digital cable systems and digital satallite (e.g. DirecTV), they use the MPEG1 standard which has a fixed resolution.
      Also, HDTV signals are actually available in a great many regions, esp in large markets. Now the amount of content is fairly small, but it is there (e.g. CBS broadcasts in HDTV in many markets now).

    12. Re:Is Digital Projection Really Better? by Shagg · · Score: 2

      HDTV is NOT simply "broadcasting digital signals"

      True, HDTV and digital broadcasting are not the same thing, however my point was that what the content providers call "digital cable" is not a digital video/audio signal. It's an analog signal digitally compressed to use less bandwidth. Once it comes out of their converter box and hits your TV, it is a 480i NTSC analog signal. It's the same resolution as regular cable, which is why you don't see much picture quality difference between "digital cable" and "regular cable". The only differences in the two services are the number of channels and the types of services they can offer.

      Maybe I was being too US centric, but I was assuming that for the purposes of making that point, implying that true digital video broadcasting is analagous to HDTV, was reasonable since that's the specific standard that the providers are using for digital broadcasts.

      Also, HDTV signals are actually available in a great many regions,

      The only broadcasting of a true digital video signal (in the US) that I know of is HDTV over the air, or via satellite. Yes, HDTV is available in alot of places, but not over cable systems (which is what I was talking about) until very recently. Comcast announced in March 2002 that they would begin rollout of HDTV in the Eastern US this summer.

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  7. Digital Projection by delphin42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How is it that a theater in Arizona and one in Kansas get a digital projector before many of the much larger markets? Anyone from either of these towns have any information on these theaters?

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    1. Re:Digital Projection by errxn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Peoria, AZ, in metro Phoenix. Yeah, tiny little town, that Phoenix.

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    2. Re:Digital Projection by Ian+Wolf · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      You do realize that a lot of people live around those two right? Just because the names don't ring a bell for you doesn't mean there aren't a couple million people within an hours drive of each.

      Granted, there are a few large cities unrepresented.

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    3. Re:Digital Projection by rosewood · · Score: 2

      Olathe is a burb of Kansas City and is not far at all from KU and KSU. Also, a drive from Wichita is not totally out of the question (see my post). Thus, the market is there. I guess you just found a person who was willing to invest. Bill Warren is the Wichita, KS movie goon and he runs most of the theatres here in town and is a pure cock-sucker. He underpays his workers and over-charges on the tickets. Anyways, he got a grant from the city to build a new theatre and on the grant application it promised revolutionary new digital projection and sound that would draw people to see big block busters to THAT theatre, aposed to others. Guess what never happened...

    4. Re:Digital Projection by hald · · Score: 2

      Well, as for the one in Kansas, the world headquarters of AMC Theaters is less than 25 miles from the theater in Olathe, KS.

    5. Re:Digital Projection by DohDamit · · Score: 2

      Ummm, no, it's not. Phoenix isn't small compared to anywhere except New York.

      Population of Phoenix : 1,210,420 (7th largest city in the U.S.)[source]

    6. Re:Digital Projection by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but Olathe Kansas is not a big town. It's near Kansas City, Ks. Anybody living in Kansas City has to make a pretty good drive to get to Olathe. Of course, if I still lived in KC I'd probably go just for shits and giggles. However, I certainly think that Portland Oregon (where I live now...) would be a bigger market. I have trouble imagining that many people going all the way out to Olathe to see Star Wars on a digital screen instead of driving to Oak Park or other neighboring cities which are much, much closer. In other words, I seriously doubt that many people in KC would trouble themselves going to see it on a digital projector.

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    7. Re:digital projection by hughk · · Score: 2
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    8. Re:Digital Projection by BigBir3d · · Score: 2

      Especially considering that the Phoenix metro area is the fastest growing in the nation, and has been for the last 4 or 5 years. When I moved from there 4 years ago they were not in the top 10 yet (population). Also, this is only the legal population of Phoenix. Some people sya that there is another 30-40% living there that are illegals.

    9. Re:digital projection by cmckay · · Score: 2

      I saw Mission to Mars digitally also, and I didn't see any make up at all.

      Maybe the fact that it was a VCD copy of a VHS screener tape had something to do with it? ;-)

    10. Re:Digital Projection by White+Roses · · Score: 2
      Not to mention the huge migratory population of snow birds. Too bad our infrastructure can't take it.

      But, hey, KMA, we have a DLP and most other people don't.

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    11. Re:Digital Projection by satanami69 · · Score: 2

      How is it that a theater in Arizona...get a digital projector"
      It's becuase when it's 120 in July, the film usally burst into flames.

      Seriously though.

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  8. One problem with digital theater. by nesneros · · Score: 3, Informative

    Last I heard, the "digital theaters" were working on micromirror arrays, which are great little devices (I spent about a year in college trying to build a microscope with some), except when their pixels get stuck, which although not as frequent as, say, the blue screen of death, is frequent enough to warrant a problem for a theater running the camera for 80+ hours per week. Then again, my last experience with them was 3.5 years ago, so TI and others may have improved the performance significantly since then.

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    1. Re:One problem with digital theater. by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, pixels still get stuck. Although at the moment I bet you can call TI, tell them you have a stuck pixel, and they'll send out a new DMD and someone to install it. Why? Because they want this to take off, and it's worth the short-period loss for the long-term gain.

      But consider, you're talking about one stuck pixel out of 4 million. Compare that noise to the amount of hair, dust, etc. that's in an analog film reel everytime you watch a movie. And that's not even considering the eliptical "splotch" in the upper right corner that indicates a reel change. No more reels in digital - it's all fed directly off a HD array.

      The other thing that's amusing about this is black level. Talk to a home theater buff about the importance of black level - it's one of the only reasons that CRT projectors are still popular in high end home theater. The black level of 35 mm film really deeply sucks. The black levels with a DMD projector are actually better than film (and DMD is significantly worse than CRT in home theater, although the gap is closing).

  9. Two Words by ruvreve · · Score: 2, Funny

    ROAD TRIP!

    1. Re:Two Words by phil+reed · · Score: 2
      ROAD TRIP


      You bet. The one in Sprindale Ohio is 30 minutes from my house. I'll wait a couple of days for the nerd contingent to dissapate a bit, and then we're there.

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    2. Re:Two Words by Robotech_Master · · Score: 2

      Absolutely! Now, I live in Springfield, Missouri, but...

      I tripped up to K.C. to see Princess Mononoke, twice.

      I tripped up to K.C. to see Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

      And now I'll trip up there again to see Send in the Clow--er, Attack of the Clones. What the heck, it's Tradition.

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  10. The only way to see movies! by Michael+O-P · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw Episode I digitally projected at the AMC Burbank North 6, and it was magnificent. You don't realize the difference while you're watching unless you really think about it. It's after the movie that you realize there wasn't a single error or marking on the "print".

    It's odd that this theater was chosen for digital projection, as there are 2 other AMCs (Media Center 14, and Media Center 8) within walking distance to this one. The North 6 is the least crowded, and the theaters aren't huge. This is a great place to catch movies that you know are released digitally. Went to see Toy Story 2 there, didn't plan to see it digitally, but that's how they were showing it. Animation in particular is much more vivid in this format.

    End rambling.

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  11. digital projection by yellowjacket03 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I saw Mission to Mars projected digitally at AMC 30 in Olathe, KS. The picture was so good that I could see the makeup that Gary Sinise was wearing. But it was very distracting to see hime wearing some kind of rouge on his cheeks and some sort of shiny lip gloss. Movie makers need to be mindful of this sort of thing. Also Mission to Mars was one of the shittiest movies ever. That never helps.

  12. SO much for the public domain by darkonc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Great: Between the DMCA and digital broadcast, this means that when todays movies finally make it into the public domain (sometime around 2250, the way things are going), there won't be a legal copy in existence for anybody to use.

    Not that I've got anything against digital theatres (presuming that they've got the quality up near what film provides) -- I just don't like the idea of the digital information blackhole that it looks like the media industry is attempting to create for our descendents.

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    1. Re:SO much for the public domain by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      Silly person, thanks to the Act, the copyright extension will be extended to 500+ years by then. Content produced in the last 50 years will never enter the public domain.

    2. Re:SO much for the public domain by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      damnit...stupid me forgot about the angled brackets...that should have been:

      Silly person, thanks to the [Fill in dead Senator or Rep here] Act, the copyright extension will be extended to 500+ years by then. Content produced in the last 50 years will never enter the public domain.

    3. Re:SO much for the public domain by darkonc · · Score: 2
      Have you talked to NASA recently about their data transfer problems??

      Even easier: would you be willing to transfer data from my 20 year old Radio Shack Color Comuter disks (much less my 8" Model 16 floppies?). My understanding is that 20 year old CDs are already starting to rot, On the other hand, the stereo pictures that my father took in the 1950's are still quite viewable -- and they don't depend on illegal technology to decrypt them so that I can copy them to a new medium, either.

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  13. DLP enabled Theaters by eples · · Score: 5, Informative


    Here's a list of DLP-enabled Theatres from Texas Instruments, includes at least 6 theatres not listed in the Wired article, plus links to the theatres' websites.

    DLP = Digital Light Processing and is supposedly better than Plasma/LCD. 4 Million+ mirrors in this sucker less than a micron apart each.

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    1. Re:DLP enabled Theaters by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Here's a list of DLP-enabled Theatres from Texas Instruments, includes at least 6 theatres not listed in the Wired article, plus links to the theatres' websites.

      That list would appear to be somewhat inaccurate, at least for what they say is available in Nevada. They say that the Century Orleans 18 is equipped with digital projection, but a quick trip to the Century Theatres website sez that the Century 18 Sam's Town is the local digital-projection outlet. (No word on whether AotC will run on their digital screen...they're currently playing Ice Age on it.)

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  14. AMC Pleasure Island 24 Lake Buena Vista, Florida by techstar25 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AMC Pleasure Island 24 Lake Buena Vista, Florida (which is at Walt Disney World in Orlando)
    . . . and I didn't think anything good could ever come from living near Walt Disney World. With the student discount the evening admission is only $5!

  15. Awesome by dimator · · Score: 2

    SIX out of 19 are in California. Some states don't have a single one, but we get SIX. God, I love this state.

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    1. Re:Awesome by GungaDan · · Score: 2
      Enjoy it before the power goes out again.

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    2. Re:Awesome by curunir · · Score: 2

      You can say that CA has amazing national parks, miles upon miles of breathtaking beaches, convenient skiing and that most areas never get below 50 degrees farenheit all year and no one will care.

      But mention that we have %30 of the digital theaters in the country and you'll probably have more than a few /. readers out there considering a move.

      Gotta love /.!!!!

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    3. Re:Awesome by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      Man, I'm going to get a beating for this, but there's really just the east coast and the west coast. The rest is flyover country.

  16. AMC Studio 30 Olathe, Kansas by rosewood · · Score: 2

    I am there! Okay, so the drive up from wichita for a movie is kind of "re-damn-diculous" but Ill go catch some lame weekday show that no one will be at. I will probably see it opening weekend here in Wichita and then drive up w/in the next week or two (cant wait too long cause they may/may not pull it from digital, and that would suck dickitydick).

    I will be very bummed if it is no different from the regular ol projector that Ill be seeing it at here in town.

  17. Old news by Stavr0 · · Score: 2

    Digital gurus can't send in "The Clones" Article from Variety that appeared back in February.

  18. Cinemark Legacy in Plano by foobar104 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I saw both Toy Story 2 and Monsters, Inc. on the DLP at the Cinemark Legacy in Plano. Three things really blew me away.

    First, it's bright! When the green "the following preview has been approved..." slate goes up, the sheer amount of light coming back off that screen is just amazing.

    The next thing that surprised me is the noise: there isn't any. You don't notice the sound of the projector (that "tuh-tuh-tuh-tuh" sound of the gate opening and closing) until it's gone. When the house lights go down before the movie starts, it's completely silent in the theater, which is pretty cool.

    Finally, there's no flicker. That's another thing you don't notice until it's gone. Despite the fact that the image is being shown to you at 24 frames per second, there's either no refresh effect in the DLP at all, or so little that your eye doesn't see it. A traditional screen, lit by a film projector, goes dark 48 times per second, and your eye picks up on that. A DLP screen doesn't. I guess that also contributes to the overall brightness; you're getting something like a third more lumens to the screen just because you're not closing a gate twice per frame.

    Oh, and in case you're wondering why there's a DLP cinema in Plano, TX, I think it's because this theater is right across the street from the TI facility where they invented DLP. At least that's the story.

    1. Re:Cinemark Legacy in Plano by srvivn21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Call me picky...

      The "tuh-tuh-tuh-tuh" sound you hear is likely not a gate opening and closing. The light flicker is done using (effectively) a fan blade. The sound is the rollers moving the film across the apperture. The film has to stop over the appature (so you don't get a blurry frame). This stop-and-go is what makes most of the projector noise.

      If I misunderstood what you were referring to as a "gate", I appologize.

      As to the flicker, that is most often attributable to a nearly worn out Xenon bulb. The older they get, the less even their light output is.

      Personally, I can't wait for the end of film. I'm no longer a projectionist though. ;o)

    2. Re:Cinemark Legacy in Plano by Milican · · Score: 2

      GO DFW... w00t!

      JOhn

    3. Re:Cinemark Legacy in Plano by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

      If the bulb is the culprit in flicker, then how does the flicker syncronize so well with the frame rate?

    4. Re:Cinemark Legacy in Plano by jcoleman · · Score: 2

      "goes dark 48 times per second"

      How do you figure? 24 frames per second, with dark between each frame and once at the end of the second, would be "goes dark 24 times per second."

    5. Re:Cinemark Legacy in Plano by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      How do you figure?

      Motion picture projectors use a two-bladed shutter. So for every frame of film, the screen is illuminated two times. This site has some cool background information on early film projection, and how it influenced television standards in the Olde Dayes.

  19. Taco, those early screenings aren't all great.... by BRock97 · · Score: 2

    I just wish *blatant non subtle hinting* some kind soul could get me into an early showing in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area ;)

    Back in the day of Star Trek IV, a friend got me into an early screening, and it was just me and him. The experience was not all that great. I guess my problem is that movies are more of a group thing for me. The Phantom Menace was a blast to see in a big group, while STIV was relatively boring with just me and that guy (sorry Tag if you are reading this...). The biggest problem is that those early screenings, it is usually just two tickets, you and the friend that got them. SciFi is something best experienced en masse.

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  20. Re:General Cinema IS NOT Premium Cinema by psxndc · · Score: 2
    The General Cinema is not the Premium Cinema. The PC is an add-on to the GC building. Though no doubt they will be showing it in the Premium, it's not the same and may not be the digital projection. On top of that, when I last went to the Premium Cinema, it wasn't reserved seating, it was just limited i.e. there are 100 seats instead of 300 (and yes, the seats are all leather).

    psxndc

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  21. Don't forget to check DLP's Web site for a list. by antdude · · Score: 3, Informative

    Right here. It is world-wide. I am not sure how often the list is updated. I believe Wired's list is more updated for this movie.

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  22. Re:It may be old fashioned by darkonc · · Score: 2
    No, No! Not Amazon!!!!

    I'd rather die than admit that my life ....er um, book... came from the likes of amazon!

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  23. Re:Hypocrisy? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    They've always been consistant; they love quite a bit of the content, they hate quite a bit of the business practices.

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  24. Yep! by antdude · · Score: 2

    I saw it in Burbank, CA. I couldn't believe how many stars in space. Wow. :)

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  25. What's the fuss over digital, anyway? by Stiletto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When he began shooting Star Wars Episode II in an all-digital format, George Lucas imagined that Attack of the Clones could screen in 2,000 digital-projection theaters nationwide.

    Because "Digital Is Always Better(TM)", right?

    1. Re:What's the fuss over digital, anyway? by Galvatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, compared to traditional projectors, he's right. Reel switching and film scratches are both highly noticable. In some cases it may be over rated, but in this case, digital really is a lot better.

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  26. Spiderman by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 2

    I recently became an usher at a local theatre, I was really excited because I get free tickets for movies. My boss just told me that every cool movie this summer (spiderman, AoTC, etc) is what is called "no passes" where the film company will not allow the theatres to give out free passes to employees for like 60 days. I am still pissed. Atleast Thursday I get to go to the screening with just employees, which kicks arse!

  27. Re:Kick Ass! by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm going to drag her there kicking and screaming.

    With the nice plush couches and drinks available, I trust they aren't the only motions she'll be doing...

    :-)

    (sorry man, I couldn't resist...)

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  28. Baltimore, MD: The Senator by selan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Senator is the best place to see it in Baltimore. This is a very cool independent theater that has survived since the 40s. There is only one screen so you get to see the movie in a huge hall together with 800 other screaming fans. The owner is a cool guy whose's a big Star Wars fan and gets up on stage to personally introduce each showing. It's a great experience.

    1. Re:Baltimore, MD: The Senator by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, the Senator is an excellent venue for any film, but it isn't as independant as I wish it were. Movie industry BS still abounds. They have been locked out of running certain films (Lord of the Rings, for example, altho they did run it later on for a brief time) because a GCC theatre in Towson (outside Baltimore city) was running it. Its practically the last screen left in Baltimore, which is a shame, but having camped out for all the special editions and ep1 I can tell you its a great experience.

      Anyway, the digital theatres might be great image quality, but NOTHING beat a good old-fashion 70mm film in a place like the Senator.

  29. THX by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Informative

    As an aside, I believe any theater showing the Star Wars movies as a first run (e.g. - first 8 weeks of release) has to be THX certified.

    Which, of course, pads Lucas's pocket a bit more (THX certification costs $$$), but also "ensures" that you get the movie experience that the film maker expected.

    If, for instance, there's an issue with a THX certified movie in a THX certified theater, you can call 1-800-PHONE-THX to lodge a complaint. THX claims that they investigate every such complaint.

  30. Sheesh, if you can't wait to see it why not just.. by AKAJack · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...download it?

    You get to see the movie framed by a camcorder, learn a foreign language, and make a political statement all at the same time.

    What else could be so much fun?

  31. it would seem... by martissimo · · Score: 2

    that they would really want it playing there, it cost them a ton of money to put in digital projection equipment, and you would think that they would want to play as many movies as they can which take advantage of it and use that as a selling point...not to mention that clones will probably have a huge draw.

    would semm pretty foolish not to play it there

  32. Re:Projector's only half the story... by eples · · Score: 2
    From the DLP site:

    • Data Storage and Playback:
      The picture information is normally compressed and stored using a QuBit compression system produced by QuVis of Topeka, KS. The QuBit uses proprietary wavelet compression technology with a user selectable SNR. The compressed data is stored on four computer HD drives with a total capacity of 72 Gbytes. Other playback servers based on MPEG2 compression have also been used for a limited number of digital releases.


    Your guess is as good as mine as to what "limited number of digital releases" really means, but it sounds as if QuBit is the preferred standard for the moment. The list stands.

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  33. Nooooooo! AMC in Orlando to be slashdotted? by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surcharge for buying my ticket four weeks early: 75 cents

    A ticket to see Star Wars II at the Pleasure Island AMC: $8

    Having to fight every /. geek in Florida for a place in line at the only digital theatre around: PRICELESS!

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  34. Easier distribution by yoink! · · Score: 2

    Although it might seem odd that, at the moment, only 19 theaters support digital projection, if the whole industry is going to eventually move that way, it will facilitate the transition by having such a large film behind it. Also, DVD production and other digital media formats will be much eaier to provide content for. The will be no film transfers involved, and it will be simpler for them to produce alternate edits for poor suckers like me.

  35. Actually, all 3 NYC screens might not have it by realgone · · Score: 2
    And as far as I can recall, 2 of them (AMC and Loews) are across the street from each other on 42nd street.

    You know, I was just thinking the same thing. Unfortunately, because those two theaters (Loews and AMC on 42nd) are so close together, they have a sort of "gentleman's agreement" in which they don't show the same movies in the same week. One would hope they decide to bend the rules for Star Wars, but ya never know...

  36. Re:That's just a list of digital theaters by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    I'll say this though: if Disney had the money to install a digital projection system at the El Capitan theater they'll do it in a New York minute, to use to old saying. :)

    You forget that virtually every animated feature Disney has released since The Rescuers Down Under are all actually "stored" on digital masters, thanks to the use of the Computer Aided Production System (CAPS). Gawd, can you imagine a true digital projection of Monsters, Inc. or Atlantis: The Lost Empire? It would be eye-opening clear, that's to be sure. :-)

  37. Hollywood should *give* each major market a DLP by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, they cost ungodly sums of money, but don't be fooled. Lucas isn't pushing DLP because of the great resolution. He is pushing it because a major release (3,000+ screens) means $33 - $35 MILLION in duplication costs.

    Digital distribution cuts that to a fraction. Add to that the ability to check dailies in Hollywood via an optical link -- so the execs don't have to get dirty on site, and you have a winner.

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    1. Re:Hollywood should *give* each major market a DLP by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2
      Yes, they cost ungodly sums of money, but don't be fooled. Lucas isn't pushing DLP because of the great resolution.

      I'm sure that's part of it, but Lucas has been pushing for improved sound and visuals in theaters before it was cool to do so. Lucas is simply a technophile and single-handedly improved the movie going experience while theater owners were very hesitant, to say the least, to spend money on a system that works just fine. The fact that digital = cheap is a nice bonus, but not the main motivating factor.

      Short primer excerpt:
      Although he insists he's "a storyteller, not a technician," George Lucas has been a motivating force in advancing the technology of motion pictures for a quarter century. His Oscar-winning 1977 "Star Wars" pioneered the use of computerized motion-control model photography. Four years later, Lucasfilm's Computer Division began developing EditDroid, one of the very first nonlinear editing systems. Lucasfilm's THX division, meanwhile, has a long history of working with theatres and home-video distributors to improve sound reproduction.
  38. 'black level' = 'contrast ratio' by jelle · · Score: 2

    You can get those micromirrors in projection TVs too, it's called 'DLP'. I was really impressed when I looked at a DLP display at a specialty store. Still very expensive though ($10k or so)

    Btw, I've seen the term 'contrast ratio' used in the specs of projectors/TVs. AFAIK, LCD projectors often have a contrast ration of 200 or so, the better ones have up to 400. I think DLP has more than that.

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    1. Re:'black level' = 'contrast ratio' by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      No, black level has nothing to do with contrast ratio.

      Contrast ratio compares the brightest white to the darkest black. Digital projectors (LCD, DLP, and D-ILA) tend to do well here (in roughly that order). CRTs, on the other hand, have really miserable contrast levels -- so bad that if you don't watch them in a totally dark room the picture will be badly washed out.

      Black level is a measurement of how black your black is. All digital projects leak light, even into pixels where there's supposed to be none (black pixels). Because of this blacks on digital projectors tend to show up slightly gray. LCDs are the worst, DLPs are (currently) the best.

      That said, you generally won't be able to notice the increased black level on a very good DLP or D-ILA projector unless you compare it to a CRT projector.

      DLP rear projection systems are still on the expensive side compared to RP CRTs, as you noted. Meanwhile front projection DLP is considerably less expensive than front projection CRT. Why? Because most big screen TVs are rear projection CRT. Meanwhile CRT is essentially dead in the front projection (99% business) market, with only HT buffs still using it. The advantages of digital for business use (ease of setup, much brighter, reduced maintainance) vastly outweighed CRTs (oh, did I mention that a digital projector is far lighter than a CRT?). So it's all supply and demand right now. But odds are that DLP and D-ILA will replace CRTs in the rear projector market in the next few years as well.

    2. Re:'black level' = 'contrast ratio' by jelle · · Score: 2

      When you say that 'LCD' has a better contrast than a 'CRT', you've got to be kidding. My 21" trinitron CRT on my desk still is visible when the sun shines directly on it, yet my TFT/LCD laptop has serious problems when that happens.

      In addition to that, 'black level has nothing to do with contrast ratio'. Hmm. contrast ratio = white level divided by black level. Quite much so something to do with it.

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    3. Re:'black level' = 'contrast ratio' by jelle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      CRT is still CRT, it doesn't matter whether or not the tube is big or small, or where the phosporus is located. A CRT monitor is still a projection system, because the electron beams project an image to the front of the tube where the phosphorus converts it into visible light. The only difference with a large screen 'rear projection TV' is that there the phospohurus is located farther away from the screen.

      Ditto LCD, LCD is a light filter. An LCD panel is a light filtering LCD layer on top of a backlight. In a projector, it's an light filtering LCD screen in front of a more intensive bulb. Possibly the projector includes a mirror (and cooling) surface right behind the LCD screen and the light performs a 180 right before or after passing through the LCD, but it's really the same thing, the LCD filters the light.

      What is darkest is not important. All you need is sufficient contrast ratio, and then you control the light in your viewing room and you colour your projection screen and its surroundings to reflect the absolute black level that matches your viewing room and preferences.

      This discussion contains some interesting material to read.

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  39. maybe I'm getting too old by RestiffBard · · Score: 2

    but star wars interests me only as it pertains to my status as a geek. I'm far more interested in seeing Spider-Man than episode 2. Spider-Man I intend to see on day 1. Episode 2 I'll wait to see until someone tells me something good about it. A Jar Jar death scene would be nice.

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    1. Re:maybe I'm getting too old by geekoid · · Score: 2

      I hear ya', man. EPII will be the first Starwars I will not see on opening night. Hell, after EPI I might not watch it at all. Spiderman, however, I've been waiting for since the 70's!

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  40. My bad!! by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    Whoops!!

    I should have read the Wired magazine article first. I didn't know Disney already installed a digital projection system there. :-/

  41. where the hell are the 70mm prints? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Screw digital. Lucas had 70mm prints for the initial releases of SW ep. 4-6. Where are they now? Have quality standards dropped this much since 1977? (DLP may come close to 35mm, but will not touch the quality of 70mm for many years to come)

  42. the fickle editor by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hmm.

    Say what you will, I can't wait for AotC- digital projector or not. I just wish *blatant non subtle hinting* some kind soul could get me into an early showing in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area ;)

    I'm really not sure how that fits in with this, a post from taco earlier today. For the lazy:

    just the same as I no longer have any interest in seeing the upcoming Star Wars movie

    This is one fickle editor to be sure... PSST! Taco, gotcha :-)

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    1. Re:the fickle editor by theCURE · · Score: 3, Informative

      Offtopic but actually, the post you linked to is not from the real "CmdrTaco", it's from "CmdrTaco (editor)" so technically speaking, taco wants to and always wanted to see it. The other guy who must like taco a lot doesn't want to see it. However, you state that your post is "For the lazy:" and i'm lazy so i'll just pretend you really got him...

      ps. for future reference, look at the User #

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    2. Re:the fickle editor by jdavidb · · Score: 2

      The post you are referring to was posted by someone claiming to be CmdrTaco, but not. His username is "CmdrTaco(editor)". His userid is somewhere in the 500000's, a very recent user. Finally, his signature is a reference to a post about why we should forget about Linux on the desktop.

      The real Taco has a username of "CmdrTaco". His userid is #1. He was, after all, the first. Taco's real signature is the string, "Pants are still optional, but recommended for you," or at least, it was last I checked. In fact, for me it was the signature that gave it away; I was thinking, "Hey! He finally changed his sig!"

      In short, you've been had. I found it pretty believable at first, though, since Taco's made plenty of statements about how disappointing he felt TPM was.

  43. OT :: Want the Episode II Script? by totallygeek · · Score: 3

    Go here.

  44. Getting to General Cinema Framingham, MA by maggard · · Score: 2
    The Framingham GC is in a difficult location for public transit.
    1. Reverse-commute on the Logan Express bus from the airport out to a short distance from the cinema. Indeed before the trees leaf out you can see the two buildings from each other; later just ask directions from the station staff, it's a trivial 5 minute walk. To catch Logan Express go to the lower level of the Airport and watch for a large red coach-style bus, the one you'll want is the hourly Framingham one.
    2. Take the Commuter Rail out to Framingham station. There are buses that connect from there around Framingham but I've never seen a good map or schedule of them, Google or ask on ne.transportaion for current status. Personally I'd just catch a cab over.
    3. Look into getting a ZipCar or just convincing a friend to drive you out. The cinema is a hop-skip-&-jump from the Framingham exit on the Mass Pike. Offering tickets & popcorn is good incentive.
    Finally, contrary to some reports the digital projection isn't in the Premium Theater - that's standard 35mm insofar as I know. Instead I recall the large #9 screen is the one with the digital projection and special audio equipment. While the Premium screen does seem to get the freshest prints and often have the best focus & other projection niceties it appears to be just a well executed traditional film theater sans children & mystery stuff sticking to the seats & floors.

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  45. Several experts DONT think it's better. by nobodyman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are several perople that are rallying against digital projection. Roger Ebert, Martin Scorsese and Steven Spielberg to name a few. These are people who have a vast amount of experience in this field. Ebert, for one, has been the most vocal about his distaste for digital projection: claiming that it yields muted colors and compression artifacts.

    No doubt it's better than DVD quality, but there definitely some compression going on. To match the quality of 35mm print, you need something like a 5 megapixel camera. For 1/1.85 aspect ratio projection you're talking about a 3,000 x 1600 pixel image. Is the resolution on DLP that good? On the DLP website I couldn't get any hard numbers for what the resolution will be for digital projection (there's alot of info there, so be my guest). Even with DVD compression levels you're gonna have to put this thing on a 100gig hard drive, and the compression is quite noticable to film buffs (admittedly, I can only tell with poorely encoded dvd's).

    Besides, there are alot of things that influence the quality of the cinema experience. Hardly any theatres use the correct brightness for their projectors. Furthermore, the jump to 50mm or 75mm film would have an astounding leap in quality. You could double the framerate, but you'd also double the number of film canisters (I worked at a theater during high school, those suckers can get pretty big and heavy).

    1. Re:Several experts DONT think it's better. by blowhole · · Score: 2

      Roger Ebert can go to hell. He probably gets to watch all his movies first-run, not after they've been scratched-up/worn-out after having been watched 1000 times.

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  46. Digital Projector, The Mummy and some blotter acid by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 2

    I saw both Toy Story 2 and Monsters, Inc. on the DLP at the Cinemark Legacy in Plano. Three things really blew me away. First, it's bright! When the green "the following preview has been approved..." slate goes up, the sheer amount of light coming back off that screen is just amazing.

    I used to work for a video company. We rented out Hughes/JVC ILA video projectors, $250,000 each, circa 1993. Nothing compared to the ones at the Famous Players down the road from my house, but we'd light cigarettes off the lenses of these things. I loved those Hughes. 1024x768 at 72Hz refresh and x-deflection up to 55kHz in 1993. Man, did I ever love those things.

    The next thing that surprised me is the noise: there isn't any. You don't notice the sound of the projector (that "tuh-tuh-tuh-tuh" sound of the gate opening and closing) until it's gone. When the house lights go down before the movie starts, it's completely silent in the theater, which is pretty cool.

    Not just the audio noise of the film being snapped through the gate and the shutter exposing the screen, but also the video noise - dust, cigarette burns in the film, color differences when the alternate projector spins up and the system switches to another reel. Just a perfect image, silent, solid, stable and bright.

    My first ever digital movie experience was The Mummy. I was with friends and we were in a trippy sort of mood. One of them was a roadie, and sure enough, out came the acid. Three hits of good old 1960s blotter, sat down in the movie theater, and I was convinced that my brain was going to melt. The carpet was attacking me. And then I experienced a digital movie projector for my first time. That was powerful enough, but imagine the effects of a digital projector, acid and The Mummy all at once. (Those who don't know what I'm talking about are encouraged to see the movie "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", then view "The Mummy" in that mindset.)

    Every scene from that movie is burned into my brain. And I think I'm probably the only person I know who actually enjoyed The Mummy.

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    Fire and Meat. Yummy.
  47. I think you've been trolled by ehintz · · Score: 5, Funny

    I rather expect "CmdrTaco (editor)" is not the same as "CmdrTaco". I also rather doubt that Tacos user # is 564483. But most glaringly, that post was reasonably well written, with no painful grammatical errors, which almost certainly eliminates Taco from the field of persons who could conceivably have written it...

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  48. Why digital projection is unpopular by Animats · · Score: 2
    • The projectors cost about 10x as much. They have a much shorter projected life. Current models will probably be obsolete five years from now, while 35mm projectors have a useful life of decades.
    • Distribution hasn't been figured out yet. Current technology is a truckload of hard drives.
    • Standards are lacking. It's not even well-established how many pixels should be on a theatrical movie screen. Do we stay at 24FPS forever, or increase the frame rate to something that doesn't flicker?

    Another decade is probably needed to get this worked out. Right now, it's not cheaper to go digital.

  49. Projector Potential... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally, I hope digital projectors do take over. One potential improvement they can make is in frame rate. Sometimes, if I'm close enough to the screen, strobing is visible at 24fps. Particularly in animated movies where the screen scrolls without blurring, I can see a double image as it pans by. IMAX theaters are aware of this and have film that can run as high as 60fps. Unfortunately, for film that's pretty expensive.

    But in the digital world, 60 fps is feasible (or will be before too long.) Even if the resolution's a little lower, the improvement in frame rate'd easily make up for it.

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    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:Projector Potential... by srvivn21 · · Score: 2

      In a properly set up film projector, the film should also scroll without blurring.

      There is (effectively) a fan blade whirring between the xenon bulb and the film gate which causes the light to flash 48 times/sec (twice per frame). Every other flicker the frame is changed. There should be no blurring. Unless, of course the film is moving while light is shining through it. That makes for a "ghosting" image.

      Personally, I can't wait for the end of film. I'm no longer a projectionist though. ;o)

  50. Woohoo! Showcase Cinemas Springdale is on the list by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2

    Now that would bring back some memories (after driving back down to the Cincinnati, Ohio suburb where that theatre is located)... saw the first Star Wars movie there, 4 times. Back then, the Showcase was the big new deal in movie-going... all 3 screens of it. The original has since been torn down to be replaced by a 24 or 30 screener... but then I'd guess that's why they have the digital in place... gotta be a new facility to have it. (?)

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  51. spanking new film vs. DLP by gdyas · · Score: 2

    I can understand deterioration of analog film making a digital viewing better, but if, like I'm sure 99% of us here will be, I'm sitting in the first midnight show of AotC watching a digitally-produced analog film print in an otherwise tricked-out theater, am I really going to see that much of a difference?

    I ask only because unless it's appreciably better than a NEW print it's not really worth the 50 mile drive into LA. I'd analogize it to listening to a song on a CD vs. listening to it on a brand-new vinyl disc - the analog printing might even look smoother, I don't know. Hell, just 'cause that's the way Lucas wants it doesn't mean it's better - ask Jar-Jar.

    And on the subject of DLP as a whole, the studios are jacking theaters big-time. They want them to foot all the costs of going digital in an age where they're raping them to the tune of about 90% of the profit from ticket sales. After the "cinematic arms race" over stadium seating, many have gone out of business already, and those still running are hurting. I'm amazed they get by on candy/popcorn/soda sales as it is.

    If you're ever wondering why your local theater has no money for improvements, look no further than the studios.

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    The only tool you've got against psychosis is experience.

  52. Re:Perhaps a silly question... by Apotsy · · Score: 2
    Actually, Ep. II was done at HDTV resolution (1920x1080), but DLP is only 1280x1024. So DLP won't show all the pixels that were there on the original video data. The film prints, on the other hand, will show all the pixels, since as you pointed out, film has much higher resolution than any currently avaiable digital format, and the laser recoders used to transfer digital video to film can easily hand resolutions much greater than that of Ep. II. So if you want to see every last bit of image detail in this movie, film is the best bet, not DLP.

    Funny how all the press coverage and hype about digial cinema always leaves out these facts.

  53. Re:how can you spell raimi wrong :/ by Strange_Attractor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    <signed>
    Steve Raimi (your answers, in order:

    1. yes
    2. a second cousin
    3. extremely proud
    4. No, I can't get you [or me!] any freebies/access/jobs
    )
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  54. JAGGIES!! by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Digital projection of digitized analog movie sometimes has problems. I saw a movie about white water rafting that disturbed me. The white water spray was fractal, and kept flickering on the screen. Another problem movie was the DVD version of 2001: A Space Odyssey (seen at MIT, of all places). Some of the model details flickered, especially the craters on the moon.

    I suspect an "all the way through" digital processing shot with digital camera, post-processing digital and projection digital would have fewer of these problems. Second, proper spatial filtering to reduce jaggies helps. Third, a director who understands the limitations of digital would film scenes that reduce these problems.

    I look forward to seeing Lucas's results.

  55. This case may be very limited by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    The reason why youcould say that digital is better for starwars, is that a large part of the movie was rendered in digital anyway.

    But for movies that film real life, digital projection is terrible - it shows a great reduction in quality.

  56. Re:Question about how this works by revscat · · Score: 3, Informative

    The DLP website has some information. It is a big task and big expense for theaters to upgrade to it. You need special projectors, although (AFAIK) you use the same screen. The movie is actually stored digitally, which I assume means a big hard drive. The big advantage that I have seen to DLP is that the image brightness higher than film, the color clarity is similarly excellent.

    Also the film quality doesn't degrade over time. Ever seen a movie after it's been in the theater for a while? You have probably noticed some aging of the film, such as scratches, fading, and so forth. There is no similar phenmomena with digital, so the 400th showing is just as clean as the 1st.

  57. how they do this stuff by dougie404 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Saw Episode 1 in two different digital theaters. Had a chance to talk with some of the engineers who developed these technologies.

    The first theater used an infrared-modulated liquid-crystal image light valve, developed by Hughes. An interesting feature of this technique is that the resolution is continuously adjustable (there are no pixels in the projector). Because the transfer function of the liquid crystal is nonlinear, it needs to be calibrated frequently, and that process (at that time) was not very automated -- perhaps that is why the TI mirror chip dominates this application today.

    The second theater used the TI mirror chip. It provides fixed HDTV resolution, although it is possible to run this chip at various frame rates.

    Both theaters used identical sources, at the same frame rate and HDTV resolution. (The projector uses an appropriate lens to stretch the image into the desired aspect ratio.) The compressed and encrypted movie was stored on a redundant array of disk drives (RAID5 I assume) that had a total capacity of 350 GB. An industry standard [don't remember the name] box was used to decrypt and uncompress the frames on the fly. Episode 1 used up about 250 GB, compressed.

    Obviously, the compression used in this application is nowhere near as severe as the compression used on DVDs. I suspect this is one of the most important reasons why the image quality is so remarkably good. Yes, this is merely an HDTV picture writ large, but you will never see an image this good on any home theater -- at least not until you can get a 250 GB file at home.... :-)

    The biggest improvement I noticed with (both of these) digital projections, compared with film, was the total lack of frame jitter. With film, there is always some wear and tear of the sprocket holes, and even a brand-new print will have the image jittering back and forth a little bit. (Imax, with its film registration pins, is largely immune to this problem.) Digital projection eliminates this annoyance forever.

    Although the images looked just fabulous, everything was not perfect. The end credits, in particular, showed some artifacts, although these were not really obvious unless you walked up toward the front of the theater. Perhaps these were due to choices made during the compression process -- after all, Episode 1 was not a fully digital movie, and in fact this version was digitized from a completed film print. It will be interesting to see how a fully digital Episode 2 compares in this regard.

    Ultimately, I would like to see digital theaters break away from their current limitations of resolution and (especially) frame rate, but I expect nobody will invest in these kinds of improvements until digital projection is much more widely accepted.

  58. Loews Century Plaza ain't so hot by possible · · Score: 2

    This theatre is old and no longer has the greatest reputation.

    See these reviews for more information.

  59. Lucas, it's like I said before: by acoustix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're the reason, George, why there aren't more digital screens today. You demand 80% of the box for your movies and even a cut of the concessions! (which by the way is unheard of).

    Theatre companies don't make as much money off of your movies as you think they do (especially since you take 80%). So where are these theatres supposed to get money from to buy these $100,000-$500,000 digital projectors? Most theatres have a hard enough time trying to pay employess, advertising, and performing maintnance on the theatres without you asking these theaters to do costly upgrades.

    Besides, when would the theatres use the digital projectors? Once every 3 years when you release a movie?

    Maybe Lucas should open his own Theatre Company and realize that money for upgrades is hard to come by.

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    "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
  60. Re:Jar-Jar Stinks by Dynedain · · Score: 2

    those planes were filmed quite a bit before 9/11....in fact, fox delayed release of 24 because of 9/11 and even considered dropping it entirely

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  61. It's compression... by E-Rock · · Score: 2

    Your jaggies are coming from the compression of the image, not just becasue it's digital.

  62. Re:Poor Don Cheadle... by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 2

    I thought Family Man was pretty good.

  63. Are there any digital showings in Vancouver? by donglekey · · Score: 2

    I was surprised that there was one in Kansas two. Something cool happens in Kansas and its a month after I jumped ship. Are there any digital theatres in Vancouver? Oh well, Kansas sucks in general, it was worth it.

  64. Or you can do what I do... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 2

    I just wait for a nice high-quality VCD transfer to be posted to USENET--which always happens within a week of a big film opening--and watch it in the comfort of my own home cinema. Sitting close to 55-inch HDTV is better than sitting in the middle of a theater watching a big scren, as far as my tastes are concerned. And it's completely quiet, unlike the time *Blair Witch Project* was ruined for me when an obnoxious couple kept snickering...

    The only problem is avoiding low-quality VCDs with poor image or sound quality or glitches; but there are certain websites where different VCDs get "graded," and the best VCD groups put their wares across all of 2 CDs, for the best possible quality. But since I wouldn't want to change discs in the middle, I just use TMPGenc to combine them into one whole movie beforehand, and play from the HD of the "home theater PC," output to the TV thanks to ATI's beautiful All-in-Wonder. I still remember the looks on the kids' facs when I let them watch Hary Potter all day long, three days after its theatrical release. ;-)

    Martini? You can have whatever you want without getting gouged by rapacious movie-theater-and-MPAA-monopoly prices, when you watch a top-quality VCD at home. :-)

    Hmm, when Episode II comes out and I wrangle a HQ copy, maybe I should do something special that you can't generally do in theaters, even the nice kind. I'm thinking "geek menage-a-trois" with Episode II in place of the PC... ;-) Now, which call-girl do I pick? :-o I don't think your theater can compare with *that* kind of service! heehee...

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    Chasing Amy
    (We all chase Amy...)
    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws"-Tacitus
  65. General Cinema Framingham=AMC by Wag · · Score: 2

    It's now owned by AMC, although how this will effect the digital theater I can't say.

  66. Roger Ebert Doesn't Like Digital Projectors by grum · · Score: 2, Informative


    Here is the article by Roger Ebert about why he isn't a fan of digital projectors.

    And to be fair, here is the response from a film maker in British Columbia.

  67. Re:In the Washington, DC area... by raju1kabir · · Score: 2
    It's not digital projection, but nothing else in the area beats the Uptown theater. It's incredible.

    Since they closed the Foundry, I just haven't had the heart to go out to see movies in DC anymore.

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    "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." -- GBS
  68. So wait..... by inKubus · · Score: 2

    ...does that mean that once theaters go DLP the tickets will be cheaper?!

    Sorry, bad joke.

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  69. DLP by inKubus · · Score: 2

    I learned from the website that the 3 chip projectors use 3 chips each at 1280x1024 (1 for each color). That works out to more than 3000x1600. Also it is my understanding that the picture is much brighter because the lamp isn't being switched. I dunno. I will check it out for myself. There is a theater here in Vegas that has DLP.

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  70. we aint got premium nothing! by labradore · · Score: 2
    A few years ago AMC opened in my neck of the woods what was touted locally a the largest theater in the country but it was quickly supplanted by bigger and "better" theaters in Orlando and elsewhere. Unfortunately, as with everything else where I live, the theaters cater to the lowest common denominator. This is a trend that seems to be universal. Theaters, resturants and chain stores seem to be producing as much medium to low quality merchandise and service as the market will bear, yet most people don't even seem to realize that they could be getting much better products and services.

    To me the resturant situation is particularly frustrating. My general sub-urban area (a section of unincorporated county that would probably have become a township long ago if it were in a northern state) is home to around 100,000 people. It is for the most part a middle-to-upper-middle class area. There are no less than 20 different national chain resturants (Chilli's, Hops, Outback, Macaroni Grill, etc.) located in a 5 square mile area around two arterial highways. 18 of them feature service that is no better than average and only one (Macaroni Grill) has food that is consistantly better than average. In other words, with over 100,000 people in economic classes ranging from middle to upper-middle and a significant population of high income households (probably 5 to 10 thousand) there are still no premium (or high-quality) resturants, theaters, other entertainment venues, or convienence service companies. On top of that there isn't even a significant population of locally-owned resturants, retailers or groceries. Even the bars seem to be chain stores.

    We all still have to drive into the city to eat anywhere that requires a jacket or to find an arts venue other than local "volunteer" theater or the mass-market AMC theaters. Some times it seems like my "home town" is just one gigantic truckstop. Bring on your mass-market sci-fi George Lucas. Appearantly, we all love Jar-jar and we aren't going to leave unless you sell us happy-meal action figures, plastic light-sabers, collector's edition plates, stamps, coins, jackets, books, legos, towels, and any other artifact that can be stamped out by an injection molding machine and painted red and shiney with a Lucasfilm trademark on the bottom.

  71. Re:AMC Pleasure Island 24 Lake Buena Vista, Florid by Rasvar · · Score: 2

    Not only that, the AMC PI actually has two digital screens, not just one.