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Wrangling Over Proposed Privacy Laws Continues

zurab writes "USA Today reports several U.S. lawmakers introduced a long-awaited privacy bill Wednesday that would allow U.S. businesses to share information about customers who have not explicitly forbidden them to do so. And one of the supporters of this bill - the beloved Mr. Boucher."

177 comments

  1. The Joy of Opt-out... by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because they know NOBODY in their right mind would EVER opt-in to something like this, so they have to open the door to big business somehow.

    I mean, otherwise the aforementioned big business would stop paying them campaign contributions and such...

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    1. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the financial companies I deal with now has this but in an opt-out method. The problem is that every piece of mail(postal and web forms) has this question on it, and who knows what will happen if one time I miss the box and don't mark it.

      And who is to stop companies from doing a
      "We current have you loosing out on theses free benefits. If you would like benifit we have un marked this box allowing us to use your information. If you would not like theses free benifit please remark."

    2. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Okay... I am officially telling ALL businesses, I explicitly forbid them to share information about me. I really mean it, even though I didn't log on with my account.. Furthermore I expect that since I had to read slashdot to find out about this privacy invasion, I expect *all businesses* to read this post. Now all anyone has to do is claim the above message as Their Own(TM), and there is no way a business can say they weren't told.

    3. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by lunky · · Score: 1

      > Because they know NOBODY in their right mind would EVER opt-in to something like this

      PROBABLY true, but until they pass a law which prevents me from giving BOGUS information on everything I fill out on the internet this doesn't bother me in the least.

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    4. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      And who is to stop companies from doing a
      "We current have you loosing out on theses free benefits. If you would like benifit we have un marked this box allowing us to use your information. If you would not like theses free benifit please remark."


      Nothing, b/c you won't be able to sue if they don't abide by your opt out request.

    5. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, couldn't hear ya... what were you saying?

    6. Re:The Joy of Opt-out... by schmink182 · · Score: 1

      God Bless America, Land That I love
      Stand Beside Her And Guide Her
      Through The Night With The Light From Above

      From The Mountains To The Prairies
      To The Oceans White With Foam
      God Bless America, My Home Sweet Home

      From The Mountains To The Prairies
      To The Oceans White With Foam
      God Bless America, My Home Sweet Home
      God Bless America, My Home Sweet Home

      Seriously, how do we let a bunch of figures representing us make decisions that no induhvidual would possibly want?

      "Please, please give my personal information to everyone you see, unless I tell you not to"

  2. Coming next by jsse · · Score: 3, Funny

    a long-awaited privacy bill Wednesday that would allow U.S. businesses to share information about customers who have not explicitly forbidden them to do so.

    It's long-awaited? You americans are difficult to understand....

    1. Re:Coming next by siasl33 · · Score: 0

      We are very easy to understand. We are a nation of hucksters and only worship the dollar... All decisions flow from this principle.

    2. Re:Coming next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know that we Americans can't do anything over here unless it is written into law. Go to the bathroom? That is in the Constitution. Go to the store on Sunday in your underwear with a bozo wig on? That is still illegal.

    3. Re:Coming next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's long-awaited? You americans are difficult to understand....

      That was just a quote plagiarized from the original story.

    4. Re:Coming next by jmccay · · Score: 2

      How about this one:

      "I'll predict a much greater level of Internet usage with these privacy policies in place," Boucher said.

      Ok, so if I wasnt going to use the internet before...I am now going to do so just because companies can trade my personal information? If anything, I'd think it would be deterrent. What's he thinking?

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    5. Re:Coming next by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      He's not talking about the Consumers using the internet more, he's talking about businesses using it more to track their consumers.

      Internet Usage doesn't mean browsing it means businesses using it for economic profit.

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  3. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Will I get the first ontopic post as well?

    I tried looking up the bill but I don't have a number handy. Does anybody know what it is (and would it kill the newspaper to print it along with a story once in a while?) I was curious to see whether Boucher was really behind this or if this was one of those tradeoff things.

    I did find a link about this from back in February when he was talking about planning to support this bill when it finally showed up. I'd like to see them move anti-spam legislation through the system this fast (only about seven years and counting on that, right?)

  4. The rule by grung0r · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "A group of business leaders from high-tech firms said the bill struck the right balance between consumers and businesses"

    I've heard this said about the DMCA too. Ay time businesses talk about balance between themselves and consumers through legislation, I instantly know that it's a terrible idea and I oppose it. They couldn't give a rat's ass about balance or compromise.

    1. Re:The rule by grung0r · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      anytime even

    2. Re:The rule by explosionhead · · Score: 1

      Everyone needs to understand that the businesses have managed to cock the ear of the legislators, and how??

      Through the vast arrray of lobbying groups.

      Big Business lobbying tends to sound louder than individuals, which is sad, and results in too many irritating bits of legislation (DMCA, I hope not the CBDTPA, et al) getting through.

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    3. Re:The rule by grung0r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you've hit on the main issue there. I'm sure(at least I hope)that most people do indeed understand that. There is little anyone can do though. The problem being, that almost all politicans are indeed bought to a extent, and if you vote out a bought one, he or she is just replaced by someone who's owned by a diferent set of industrys. Solving this problem will take a sea-change of the general public's outlook on the situation. That is unlikley to happen untill something directly threatens the freedoms the public as a whole hold dear, of which apparently, freedom of speech and freedom of privacy are not.

    4. Re:The rule by beleg777 · · Score: 1

      I think that when big business says they have a good ballance they mean they've found the most rediculous thing they can get away with.

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    5. Re:The rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what it boils down to, is that consumers have been surgically removed from their representive government.

    6. Re:The rule by WGR · · Score: 1
      The problem is representative government. We really need more direct democracy, where issues are decided by the citizenry, not hacks supported by corporate donations.

      Representative government is a compromise set up in the 18th century because of the logistical problems of direct democracy when there were very poor communications. Would you accept a system where you and all your neighbours chose someone to buy your groceries for a 2 year term every 2 years? Sounds ridiculous, but that is what representative democracy is about. You have to collectively elect someone to buy your roads, your education facilities, etc. with no more choice until the next election.

      Certain services, like roads and armed forces need to be a joint purchase of citizens, because more than one version makes little sense (the Republican army and the Democrat Marines?). But that doesn't mean that we need to abdicate the responsiblity of that choice to an abstract representative who decides for us. Representatives should be seen as providing the choices for us, not as deciding for us, by providing forums for debate. This is where privacy is vital to a democracy. If the sellers of goods and services to the government can buy your persona, then they can blackmail you into making bad choices. That is almost the situation now. How many Americans actually had a say in the Patriot Act or DMCA? Only those who can buy the votes of representatives.

      By many criteria, the United States has a weaker democracy than many other countries, including former communist states. It has one of the lowest turnovers of representatives in the world. It has the fewest number of political parties with elected representatives. It has one of the lowest voter turnouts.

      What was a brilliant idea in 1789 needs to be reviewed for the 21st century and ways to protect privacy properly are one of the things that needs to be strengthened.

  5. Privacy and personal information... by crc32 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    should be property rights held by individuals. This allows a more perfect market, because the information would be more closely protected than this bill provides. As Larry Lessig explains in his book Code, Privacy as a property right allows those who don't care about privacy to get what they want, while those who have considerable concerns to seriously protect themselves. Any other scheme will deny the fact that privacy concerns differ between different segments of society.

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    1. Re:Privacy and personal information... by ThaReetLad · · Score: 1

      I agree, and more than that, if anyone is going to make money out of selling information about me it should be me. I don't see why anyone else has the right to make money out of my identity in that manner.

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    2. Re:Privacy and personal information... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      You do sell information about yourself. Like when you use your identity to pay for "discounts" at the supermarket.

      And of course, once they've bought it, you're not exactly in a position to tell them what they can do with it.

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  6. Wrong Name by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't it be the 'Lack of Privacy Bill' rather than 'Privacy Bill'?

    1. Re:Wrong Name by MartinB · · Score: 2

      ...in the style of MinTruth and MinPeace

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      The only thing you can accurately describe as "Scotch" is a sticky tape made by 3M. And it's

    2. Re:Wrong Name by Turmio · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of newspeak? :)

      Check out newspeakdictionary.com especially The Principles of Newspeak next time you feel bored.

    3. Re:Wrong Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but then if someone has the balls to actually vota against it, when re-election time comes and the 'informed' voters see you voted against The Online Privacy Bill, you'll have lots of splainin to do.

  7. reaction? by tps12 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My first impression to this is disbelief: citizens have repeatedly sent Congress a strong message of concern over privacy, especially on the Information Superhighway. Businesses have, mostly, elected to create their own privacy policies in the absence of legislation. Everyone supports privacy.

    Or do they?

    Look at your average computer user. He (or she) doesn't use PGP, has insecure passwords, will gladly install spyware in exchange for a P2P client, and is all too willing to help email worms propogate. Now, don't try to tell me that this hypothetical (but all too real) user wouldn't give up his entire purchasing habits to save himself 7 clicks a month on AOL.

    He would be delighted if he could be greeted with "I bet you want the new WWF video: click here to order" when he logged in. That's what this information sharing does. And the public is going to eat it up.

    Meanwhile, the fraction of us who actually care about this kind of thing pay the price. The only sensible thing to do? Become what we hate the most. Format /dev/hd* and install Windows and AOL. Your browser votes don't count unless your user agent says MSIE, and your purchases don't count unless they're through AOL or MSN. We have to make a choice between Free Software and privacy. Once we've saved privacy, then maybe Linux will come back...who knows? But for now, we need to put Linux aside as we prepare for the real battle.

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    1. Re:reaction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be it is time to dig up all the personal details including their families' buying habbits , credit history, online habbits etc of the senators that supports this bill and make them publicly available.

    2. Re:reaction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can testify to this. When I talked to my mother about the subject, she said she was fine with it; she had nothing to hide.

      However, I think your proposed "solution" is nuts. Why do you think "browser votes don't count unless your user agent says MSIE"? Is it because nothing else shows up on most surveys as having a significant percentage of users? If so, then what good would it do for that insignificant percentage to switch? I really don't grasp your logic here at all.

    3. Re:reaction? by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, the fraction of us who actually care about this kind of thing pay the price. The only sensible thing to do? Become what we hate the most. Format /dev/hd* and install Windows and AOL. Your browser votes don't count unless your user agent says MSIE, and your purchases don't count unless they're through AOL or MSN. We have to make a choice between Free Software and privacy. Once we've saved privacy, then maybe Linux will come back...who knows? But for now, we need to put Linux aside as we prepare for the real battle.

      You had me, and then you lost me. If anything, using nonstandard software should make it harder for companies to harvest information about you. On the other hand, if you willingly type that information into a form, it doesn't matter what client-side software you're running. Please clarify why we must make an either/or choice between free (as in speech?) software and privacy.

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    4. Re:reaction? by jesser · · Score: 2

      Everyone supports privacy.

      Or do they?


      Reading through the privacy policy of every site I visit is not worth my time. Paying the extra taxes in order to enforce a law requiring opt-in would require much less of my time and might be worth it.

      That said, I don't really care whether companies share information, as long as there are reasonable restrictions on how they advertise. Ads at the bottom of newsletters are ok, but spam is not. Banner and text ads are fine, and I can just leave your site if I find your interstitials annoying, but pop-up ads should not be legal. Bulk snail-mail is ok, but print it on recycled paper. Don't use the word "free" inappropriately -- "Get 12 CDs for the price of 1" is ok, but "Get 11 CDs free*!" is not.

      By the way, the kind of targeted advertising you mention doesn't require companies to share information about specific customers. AOL can target the ads itself without giving your personal information to WWE.

      Regarding spyware, I don't see that as a privacy issue, but rather a breaking-and-entering issue. It's illegal, and it would be nice if the government enforced its existing laws, but I don't think it needs to be part of the debate over whether companies should be able to share personal information.

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    5. Re:reaction? by Kanasta · · Score: 2

      Interesting.

      I'd bet your Congresscritters too would be delighted if he could be greeted with "I bet you want the new WWF video: click here to order" when he logged in.

      I'd bet that his secretary who reads all his emails appreciates that information too.

      He may have to hire more secretaries when he realises just the wealth of information out there in his mailbox waiting to be read.

      He's probably just too busy to sign up for these himself.

      Maybe some enterprising individual can assist their representative?

      (Disclaimer: I am not in the US, and am only guessing your rep likes WWF, since we don't get it here. It is your own responsibility to find out your rep's interests.)

  8. This will affect net usage? by jsmyth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "I'll predict a much greater level of Internet usage with these privacy policies in place," Boucher said.

    I fail to see how this will work at statistical levels - it might encourage some people who have abstained to return to the 'net, but the vast majority, those simple casual users? The use of the word much is inappropriate here.

    Put it this way: if you were to hold a random sampling of U.S. citizens on internet privacy, you would likely get a lot of semi- or un-informed views on it. The reason is simple: it's not considered important enough by society at large. If/when privacy becomes a big thing in the media and in government, only then will the population at large (who are being spoonfed by popular media, remember) feel that it is important enough to become an issue.

    Until then, it remains an issue for the interested parties and the various lobby groups. The average internet user doesn't care, so there will be no upswing, no "much greater level", nice as it would be to believe that Mr. Average Midwestern Suburbian spends as much time as we do reading up on issues such as this.

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    1. Re:This will affect net usage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The average internet user doesn't care, so there will be no upswing, no "much greater level", nice as it would be to believe that Mr. Average Midwestern Suburbian spends as much time as we do reading up on issues such as this.


      Haha, that's funny. I'm Mr. Midwestern Suburbian. It's funny because we have a higher percentage of internet users per capita. Probably has something to do with us having a higher number of ENGLISH speaking users per capita... as well as a more even level (if not a higher average) income.
    2. Re:This will affect net usage? by whovian · · Score: 2

      I would qualify my agreement with jsmyth that the issue of privacy isn't regarded as important enough by society at large. I would say that people as consumers have come to expect little privacy in society in general but as residents they value privacy very much.

      Except for a few situations, the idea of privacy is largely left to the savvy of the consumer. In the real world it is largely your burden to learn how to navigate it. Many times you can negotiate terms of a contract, be it employments, car purchase, rental agreement, home purchase, asking for special rates (e.g., airlines tickets, car rentals); etc. Businesses are not going to endorse the idea of begin required to inform you of your right to negotiate price because you would, and they want you to pay as much as you are willing to. That's capitalism. Teh details are left to the consumer as an exercise.

      By contrast, there is a law in place to protect civil rights and help prevent abuse by law enforcement. That is, when the police arrest you (or so I have heard (grin)), they read you your Miranda rights (You have the right to remain silent; have your attorney present; etc.). And people like a fence around their yard, caller ID, and no government installed spycams in their dwellings, etc.

      People don't see privacy as an all-around fundamental human right. The default case is one of no privacy unless enforced either by law or individual action.

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    3. Re:This will affect net usage? by nologin · · Score: 2

      "I'll predict a much greater level of Internet usage with these privacy policies in place," Boucher said.

      Oh boy, I just can't wait to get a lot more spam messages for herbal Viagra in my mailbox.

      And they thought that increased Internet usage would automatically be a good thing...

    4. Re:This will affect net usage? by Thurn+und+Taxis · · Score: 1

      "I'll predict a much greater level of Internet usage with these privacy policies in place," Boucher said.

      Boucher went on to predict that, after these privacy policies are in place, world population would increase, the Earth would rotate about its axis roughly once a day, and we would progress towards the heat death of the universe at an ever-increasing pace.

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  9. This is clearly Bush's fault by kir · · Score: 0, Troll

    Call me a troll, but...

    I bet a million bucks someone will spout on and on how this is all George Bush's fault. You know, it's all part of his "secret agenda" to give BIG BUSINESS (but not small... he wouldn't dare help the little guy) anything and everything they want. Hell, he put arsnic in our drinking water for crying out loud.

    DOWN WITH THE MAN!

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    1. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by jsmyth · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You're a troll. Happy?

      Now, remember: there are three prongs to government: the administration (Bush, your friend) is not the same as Congress, the lads who legislate. Bush's input to this is a simple yes or no. It's up to your representatives to decide what gets through to Bush. So it can't really be his fault.

      Also, remember - he's there because you voted for him. (you plural, not necessarily you singular). You want him out? then let democracy do its job, or change the system.

      The congressmen in question are still at the suggestive stage, not quite ready to decide what level of privacy to offer, so if you've chosen the right representative last time you voted (you DID vote, didn't you?), then your chosen representative will make the right choice for you. If not, you made the wrong choice. Or you are surrounded by people who made the wrong choice. Or gerrymandering has been in operation in your area (see last week's economist article on gerrymandering in the US). Or your representative is corrupt and takes money from lobbyists to give their way, in which case we're back to square one: choose the right representative.

      All in all, Bush cannot be fully responsible for whether or not businesses can share your information. That's down to the ethics of the businesses, and the legislation of the representatives that the American people have said they want to run the country. You want privacy? then use democracy.

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    2. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Also, remember - he's there because you voted for him."

      We voted for him. Heh. Right. I thought it was the Supreme Court that decided the elections, not the people of the United States.

      And democracy? May the best candidate win? Or the one who does the most propaganda, manipulating the will of the people, that wins? Hard to say.

    3. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We voted for him. Heh. Right. I thought it was the Supreme Court that decided the elections, not the people of the United States.

      As opposed to letting the Democrats vote their candidate in, I will take the Supreme Court decision any day.

      And democracy? May the best candidate win? Or the one who does the most propaganda, manipulating the will of the people, that wins? Hard to say.

      Gore tried his best at those, but justice prevailed.

    4. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by kir · · Score: 1

      You know, I thought it was pretty obvious I was being facetious.

      Thanks for the civics lesson though. Oh... there I go being facetious again. Sorry.

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    5. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by kir · · Score: 1

      DAMN! I got modded down much quicker than I anticipated. I guess it's true - disagree with the vocal minority on slashdot and get modded down.

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    6. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. Usually they protest it's Clinton's fault, even though Clinton had to work with a hostile legislature during all but the first two years of his presidency.

    7. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are also a troll.

      "If you've chosen the right representative last time you voted (you DID vote, didn't you?)"

      This assumes that during the last congressional election there was someone you *wanted* to vote for. You are ignoring the often-true fact that in an election there are exactly *two* candidates (so much for 3rd parties, folks), who are both equally corrupt, equally power hungry, and only differ in the color of the team jersey they are wearing...I mean in their party affiliation.

      Reading such posts on slashdot...supposedly an aware group of individuals, I keep wondering - How long are you people going to sit there sucking on the lolly pop called "free elections"? They have never been free. The congressmen &c. aren't there to represent your puny little desires. They are there to get maximum power through minimal effort. So, if it's a choice between standing up to their campaign promises and scratching someone's back to get more power, which one do you think they're gonna do?

      Sorry to break this to you, but the actual content of this bill is immaterial - it'll pass whether you want it or not. And the "public", bless their feeble little hearts, are going to swallow it, no matter what objections any rational person may have about it.

      For those who are about to write me off as some sort of anti-American nut, think about this: democracy is rule by the people. Is *ANY* legislator one of "the people"? No.
      They are "professional politicians". And so long as this concept exists there will never be democracy. Wielding power is not a profession. It's a responsibility, for which one must be held accountable. When was the last time something like that happened? Don't all raise your hands at once.

    8. Re:This is clearly Bush's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The administration (any administration), as a matter of practice if not law, has a lot more input into legislation than "a simple yes or no". In part because they can dangle that "no", they can negotiate for what they want to be introduced... There is, of course, also a considerable amount of extra-legislative rule-making done by the executive branch. Note that I do not say "extra-legal". In general, this authority has been delegated to the executive branch by Congress. The net effect, however, is that the President has a very large say in both the laws, and the rules with the force of law, that govern the country.

      As to choosing the right representative: If only it were that simple. You choose someone who's right for you on this, this, and that issue -- and wrong on the other. Because that's the best you can get. You could argue that this is the fundamental problem with representative democracy. That is to say, if this legislation were put directly before the people in a referendum, it probably wouldn't last five seconds. But direct democracy has other problems...

  10. Opt out policy by ivrcti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, our customers can opt out. It's right there on our web site. Just click on the little tiny smiley face in the bottom left corner, then follow the 4 subsequent links to the opt out policy page. Be sure to find the little "I refuse this offer" check box, then hit submit. "Oh" the submit button is broke?? Now how did that happen? We'll have our help desk take a look at it. (The web site will be down for a few days while they reboot the system.)

    1. Re:Opt out policy by jsmyth · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You might think this is funny, but the doubleclick opt-out was exactly this. You had to click through several layers, including one page which solely consisted of a rant on how it is actually in your benefit to allow them to track your usage, and then you have to confusingly click to disagree with their policy, get to the last page, which made a tiny little change to a cookie. Would've been much quicker to print the instruction: Change the number in our cookie to OPT-OUT and it'll be fine.

      Look what happened to doubleclick...

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    2. Re:Opt out policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This doesnt even work. Suppose you do successfully opt out. GettyOne just sent me spam claiming "Spring Cleaning" of their databases.

      I had opted out. Doesn't matter though. Near the end of their privacy policy it states:
      We reserve the right to change this privacy policy at any time without notice."

      How is that a privacy policy?

    3. Re:Opt out policy by donutz · · Score: 2

      You had to click through several layers, including one page which solely consisted of a rant on how it is actually in your benefit to allow them to track your usage

      Ok, all this going through hoops of fire to opt out is too much. I agree 100% there.

      But...say I'm using a hotmail or yahoo email account. I'm definitely sick of all those x10 banners and pop[up,under] windows. And what's with all the match.com banner ads? I'm married! I dont need a date.

      Since most of the free web services are advertiser supported, it'd be great if I could just see ads that actually interested me. Computers, tech stuff, whatever. Not how to lose 40 lbs.

  11. Boucher has it right by SplendidIsolatn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you have Store A and Store B, both selling the same product, both selling for the same price, both with equally great customer service, but Store A promises never to disclose your information under any circumstances and Store B doesn't have such a policy...where will you shop? Eventually, a lot of other people will shop at Store A, and when they do shop there, it'll be because of guaranteed privacy, thus making it a selling point.

    This might work out for the best--getting Joe Public caring about privacy issues, even if it is a small start. I can just see the news story now:

    Reporter: Mister Manager of Wal-Mart, how do you explain losing some of your business to Target?
    Mister Wal-Mart: Well, they don't offer our customers the opportunity to receive special offers from our sister stores.
    Reporter: So you're losing sales because you sell information about your customers?
    Mister Wal-Mart: Uhhhhhh

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    1. Re:Boucher has it right by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Except when store A turns around and says "Oh, by the way, we're changing our privacy policy. Oh, we know you agreed to something entirely different when you created your account, so we're giving you until to opt out."

      This actually happened to me. They sent me something saying the policy would change, and go to some page to opt out. So I did. Then a day after their final date, they sent me another saying the exact same thing, just like a funny previous post about the "submit" button not working, strangely - "Oh, we'll have it fixed within 24 hours after the deadline".

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    2. Re:Boucher has it right by spookymonster · · Score: 1

      ...and then, when Store A gets bought out by Mega-Corp Inc., all the new owners will have to do is send out a 'our terms of service have changed' e-mail. Those that don't read the new terms, much less follow the 10 links to the opt-out screen, get turned into revenue.

      We have no leverage to keep the terms from changing. Resistance is futile.

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    3. Re:Boucher has it right by CantGetAUserName · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or, Store B is a big national or international company, able to operate massive economies of scale. Store A isn't. Store B undercuts Store A until Store A goes out of business, then raises prices to the point where they can make a profit. If competition springs up, repeat, until

      a) everybody is discouraged

      b) no sane person would provide backing.

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    4. Re:Boucher has it right by Ded+Bob · · Score: 2

      Why make a law for opt-out by default? It is already the assumed default. I think aggregate data should be allowed, but attaching a name to the data should not.

      On the other hand, your example will apply very well to the next elections. Candidates who did not care about my privacy will not get my vote.

    5. Re:Boucher has it right by oyenstikker · · Score: 2

      Then Store B has additional revenue from selling your info. They use that revenue to buy annoying advertizing space to convince the ignorant public that anyone who is anyone shops at Store B, and that Store A is for the people who buy clothes that were in style 2 years ago from discount stores. And then Store A goes down the tubes.

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    6. Re:Boucher has it right by sir99 · · Score: 1

      Why even bother passing the law then? It doesn't seem to change the situation any.

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    7. Re:Boucher has it right by WarpedMind · · Score: 1

      Until Store A declares bankruptcy and a judge declares that all of your information valuable property and can be autctioned off to pay the creditors.

      Face it. This gives the user no on going protection. The protection is only available to the terms of the transaction. Most of those have a clause that allows the store to change the conditions of the transaction at any time. And in the case of bankruptcy the contract is considered null and void.

    8. Re:Boucher has it right by macshit · · Score: 2

      It'd be great if this worked, but in practice it's usually not so simple.

      The main problem of course, is that most people are downright awful at assessing future risk, especially when compared to immediate gain. So Store B might be violating privacy left and right -- but then they offer prices a penny lower, and the consumer says `hmmmm, maybe store B will forget to sell my information, and hey, a penny!' [and then subsequently loses all he owns in a blood-frenzy of con-men]

      [Now I'll just step back for the chorus of `let them screw themselves! I'm elite, I'd never fall for it!']

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    9. Re:Boucher has it right by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Why even bother passing the law then? It doesn't seem to change the situation any.

      Because by passing the law federally it overrides any state law.

    10. Re:Boucher has it right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The correct answer, for Joe Average, is "whichever one is closer to my house".

    11. Re:Boucher has it right by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Until Store A declares bankruptcy and a judge declares that all of your information valuable property and can be autctioned off to pay the creditors.


      If the store doesn't COLLECT the information, then it can't be declared valuable property because it doesn't exist. I think that was the entire point. Not the creation of a store that doesn't use your information for bad things, but a store that doesn't collect your information at all.

      Kintanon

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  12. This is brain-dead. by Chardish · · Score: 2

    No one would ever choose to opt-in on such a thing. And chances are the companies who would share such information in the first place would not make it very obvious you could opt-out. My guess is that the choice to opt-out will be hidden in a 1,000 word legal disclaimer or an EULA that no one reads anyway.

    Yet another law that helps corporations at our expense, because they apparantely have more rights than we do. At least certain congressmen (Mr. Boucher, Mr. Hollings, anyone?) think that's true.

    -Evan

  13. So? by GafTheHorseInTears · · Score: 1, Troll

    So what if they want to share information. Isn't that what the whole Free Software Revolution is about? Information wants to be free, right?

    Or do they have to encode your personal information into MP3 form before it's okay to distribute it?

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    1. Re:So? by Seeka · · Score: 1

      INFORMATION wants to be free. Sure, this counts as information, but is it really what the author of that quote intended? That was used in a context of already-published information. People's viewing habits aren't already public until somebody makes them that way. You can't just go to your local WalMart and buy the latest Religion In My Area 2.0 and get a huge listing of what religion everybody is and their sexual preference. That'd be great, right? Burn the gays and the jews?

  14. It's Democracy by TheOldFart · · Score: 1

    Where is this cornucopia of absurd legislation coming from? Let me guess... corrupt legislators. Now... Is it to fair to assume stupid people voted for these corrupt legislators? If stupidity is the majority, isn't the democratic thing to do to legislate stupidity? After all, common sense would go against stupidity and therefore, against these legislators' constituents. Hence, we're shit out of luck...

  15. Real Privacy Legislation by MartinB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Compare and contrast that travesty with UK Data Protection Act 1998. To summarise

    Anyone processing personal data must comply with the eight enforceable principles of good practice. They say that data must be:

    • fairly and lawfully processed;
    • processed for limited purposes;
    • adequate, relevant and not excessive;
    • accurate;
    • not kept longer than necessary;
    • processed in accordance with the data subject's rights;
    • secure;
    • not transferred to countries without adequate protection.

    Personal data covers both facts and opinions about the individual. It also includes information regarding the intentions of the data controller towards the individual, although in some limited circumstances exemptions will apply. With processing, the definition is far wider than before. For example, it incorporates the concepts of 'obtaining', holding' and 'disclosing'.

    The Full explanation of the principles can be found here

    (source: http://www.dataprotection.gov.uk/principl.htm)

    Note that last point - the US at present does not have 'adequate protection' (ie protection to an equivalent level). This proposed bill takes it further away.

    Something else to note - the enforcement of this will only get stricter when the new Data Protection Commissioner takes office.

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    1. Re:Real Privacy Legislation by burts_here · · Score: 1
      thing is, i still end up with junkmail and random crap from everybody under the sun *sigh*
      Just because the legistate it dosent mean anyone pays any attention, it's a bit like speeding laws.

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    2. Re:Real Privacy Legislation by MartinB · · Score: 2

      You'll get precious little of it from countries with real Data Protection legislation (the EU, Switzerland, New Zealand). The legislation is enforced.

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    3. Re:Real Privacy Legislation by burts_here · · Score: 1

      Battle, Sussex, thier are 3 cameras near me, none of them have film and i know where they all are, not that i speed of course. *grin*
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  16. Better Than Now At Least by JLester · · Score: 2

    It would at least require companies to obey their own privacy policies. Right now, it doesn't seem to matter if I uncheck every box with words like "Subscribe me to electronic news", "Share my contact information with other companies", etc. when registering on a site. The majority of companies don't honor your preferences to not receive all their junk mail. With this proposed bill, it would be illegal not to do so.

    That said, I still prefer the competing bill overall.

    Jason

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  17. In the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In the UK everything is:

    [ ] Check here if you do not want to receive offers, blah, etc from us, associated companies and anybody and their dog in the future.

    In tiny letters.

    I take it in the US at the moment it is:

    [ ] Check here if you want to receive offers, blah, etc from us, associated companies and anybody and their dog in the future.

    1. Re:In the UK by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      Yes, except the check boxes in the US are pre-checked so you still have to find and click them to opt-out.

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  18. That really doesn't help. by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

    Privacy is not a property right.
    Nor will it ever, as such inalienably ideas are not, should not, and can not be considered property.
    Besides being vague and unwieldy, considering such humanistic rights property (such humanistic rights as privacy, freewill, thought, etc.) tends to lead to trouble. Look at the patent system.

    Of course, this is all just hyperbole, as redefining privacy as a property changes nothing. It's simply calling X by the name of Y.
    Without suggestions of implementation it's only an interesting experiment in etymology.

    Perhaps "Code" covers such implementation, though. Admittedly I haven't read it.

    1. Re:That really doesn't help. by naasking · · Score: 1

      I think he meant that considering personal information a form of property would result in the type of protection everyone is looking for. Privacy is simply one way of handling personal information.

    2. Re:That really doesn't help. by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

      Ah. That's a bit more defining.
      Thanks for the clarification, however, the questions of implementation are still raised. Specifically, what's personal information? Your address your income your favorite color? There's still a rather large issue trying to define what's what.

      *shrug* There's two sides to every coin. If such personal information (leaving aside what "personal information" is )considered "private" property then what exactly is public record, or for that matter any such information about X person. The litigation and issues that would stem from such a construct would be pretty damaging.

      Esp. considering that corporations are considered a person under the law. Frankly I want to be able to investigate the shit they pull without being sued.

      Now sure, one can make addendums and changes to differentiate and avoid such pitfalls, but why go with such a method in the first place when we have perfectly good privacy law. (That is to say we have a system set up where we can achieve the same goal but without creating new complications, not that our privacy law is adequate as it stands. )

    3. Re:That really doesn't help. by naasking · · Score: 1

      There's still a rather large issue trying to define what's what.

      Simply because it's complicated doesn't mean it's not worth the effort. Wouldn't the same semantics problems be part of any law? Eventually, the law works out an appropriate set of boundaries and definitions.

      If such personal information [...] is considered "private" property then what exactly is public record, or for that matter any such information about X person.

      Not being in the legal field, I can't answer conclusively, but perhaps information that is already publicly accessible through the government would be pubic record? Your name for instance. Anything else would be purely opt-in (as if you were permitting someone use of your property for a particular purpose). For example, a phone number and/or address listing in a phone book.

      Esp. considering that corporations are considered a person under the law. Frankly I want to be able to investigate the shit they pull without being sued.

      This is a good point. Should you be able to sue someone for merely having personal information about you, or should you only be able to sue over its use? So you can sue a corp for disseminating info about you, but not for possessing info on you and vice versa. This comes back to the limits question.

      but why go with such a method in the first place when we have perfectly good privacy law.

      Is there?

    4. Re:That really doesn't help. by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      YOUR address
      YOUR income
      YOUR favorite color
      YOUR ...

      I'd say you pretty much defined it right there - any of YOUR own personal information. Any information uniquely pertaining to an individual should be that unique individual. An easy test to see what falls into that category would be "If speaking to a person directly, the word YOUR would be used in speaking about a thing that should be considered personal information".

      Now it just depends on avoiding idiots that don't know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE. :)

    5. Re:That really doesn't help. by KlomDark · · Score: 1

      Uhhh...

      The sentence: "Any information uniquely pertaining to an individual should be that unique individual"

      should have read:

      "Any information uniquely pertaining to an individual should be CONSIDERED PERSONAL PROPERTY OF that unique individual"

      That should make a bit more sense :)

    6. Re:That really doesn't help. by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

      "Simply because it's complicated doesn't mean it's not worth the effort. Wouldn't the same semantics problems be part of any law? Eventually, the law works out an appropriate set of boundaries and definitions"

      Oh, I certianly agree. My point is just that, in fact. Making personal information into personal property is just a semantic change.
      It's a useful metahpor to explain what our goal is, and what corperations should and shouldn't be able to do with our information, but it's not a useful as far as implementation goes, in fact, it's counter productive because it requrires us to first explain how personal information is property, and then explain how it's differnt from other kinds of property, and then explain what our and other's rights are to that property. Instead we should simply say what personal information is, and then explain what our and other's rights are to it.

      From a metaphorical point of view, explaining personal information as personal property is quite benificial.

      From a leagal and practical point of view, it only adds unessacary steps.

      And yeah, I'm just saying this cause I like to type, and hear what other people have to say. I like ideas esp. ones I don't complete agree with. =]

  19. Doesn't Really Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Privacy issues really get on my nerves. Not so much because I feel the need for my privacy to be protected, but because there is nothing I can do to stop it. Sure, there are petitions and writing to my local representatives, but I don't have the time to read the fine lines of every law that every polititican puts up for a vote.

    Then there are the laws that I even take the time to sign petitions for and write to my representatives, like CARP ( http://www.live365.com/carp/ if you've been living in a box ). Hordes of people objected to this law, yet it still was passed.

    The government is not listening. You might be able to get someone to listen to you during an election year, if you're lucky. Maybe you could claim to have to pick up can along the highway to pay your CARP royalty fees and Gore could talk about you. But otherwise, it's a sad waste of time.

    Then there's the hypocracy of the people that call for these petitions. Example: Right here in Milwaukee, we had a controversy about with our City Pension Plan and a million dollar lump sum payout. The elected offical that signed the bill was forced to resign amidst a recall campaign. Sound like the population taking on their civic duty, right? Well, in the emergency election to fill his position, only 1 in 5 of the people that signed the recall petition actual voted. 4 of 5 just wanted to kick the government were ever they could get a shot in.

    In the end, you might catch one bill, you might get someone important to object to it, you might even get enough people on your side to oppose the law, but unless you can give a senator a better hand job than the lobbist, they'll get their way eventually.

  20. What's wrong with Opt-out? by The+Monster · · Score: 3, Interesting
    NOBODY in their right mind would EVER opt-in to something like this
    I don't get this. If you ask me for information, make no promises about what you're going to do with it,
    and I willingly give it to you, what reason do I have to expect that you won't propagate the data?
    Isn't one of our Geek Holy Scriptures "Information wants to be free"?
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    1. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by memfree · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Isn't one of our Geek Holy Scriptures "Information wants to be free"?


      I count it as a difference between the personal and professional. Information about things -- software, hardware, science in general, the Law -- is not the same as information about an individual. Things don't vote, raise kids, or have emotions.

      Personal privacy != Corporate secrecy.

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    2. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by sphealey · · Score: 2
      I willingly give it to you,
      That is the sticking point: what is the definition of "willingly"? Sure, you can refuse to sign up for a grocery store discount card. Until all grocery stores have discount cards, all grocery stores require them in order to use checks for payment, all grocery stores start imposing terms and conditions on people who don't use discount cards. Then you have the "choice" of getting a discount card and being tracked, or not eating.

      Sound farfetched? In the last six months all credit card companies have sent out changes to their terms and conditions stating that you can no longer sue them - you must use binding arbitration. Don't like it? Just cancel all your credit cards. Which is a bit difficult for those who must travel, rent a car, get some cash far from home, etc. But you have a "choice".

      sPh

    3. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Then you have the "choice" of getting a discount card and being tracked, or not eating.

      Or opening up your own store, and only getting tracked in aggregate with all the other people who buy from your store. That is, if the "all stores have discount cards" thing actually happens, which it won't.

    4. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by sphealey · · Score: 2
      is, if the "all stores have discount cards" thing actually happens, which it won't.
      Well, opinions on that can differ. As a person who reads the fine print on all the "Terms and Conditions" junk sent to me by organizations with which I do business, I really can't agree. I think we are about 5 years from having every transaction tracked. And cash won't be an out (in the USofA), since the "USA Patriot Act" has greatly ratcheted down the threshhold for tracking and reporting cash transactions to the government.

      And this is without the national ID card which I suspect is coming fairly soon.

      sPh

    5. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      Well, opinions on that can differ

      I vow that if all other stores have discount cards which track your purchases, I will personally open a store which doesn't. So for my lifetime at least, those opinions are wrong.

      As a person who reads the fine print on all the "Terms and Conditions" junk sent to me by organizations with which I do business, I really can't agree.

      Credit card companies have an oligopoly with much fewer members than "stores".

      I think we are about 5 years from having every transaction tracked.

      Guess I'll be dead in 5 years. Killed by the government so that they can track people?

      And cash won't be an out (in the USofA), since the "USA Patriot Act" has greatly ratcheted down the threshhold for tracking and reporting cash transactions to the government.

      What's it down to now? I thought it was still at $10,000.

      And this is without the national ID card which I suspect is coming fairly soon.

      We already have this national ID card. It's called the license. I once had a Wisconsin sherriff track me down (with help from the FBI) from my domain name, which listed an old address, from which I did not have mail forwarding, to my NJ driver's license, linked that to my NY drivers license, and got my unlisted phone number in NY. All this so he could ask me the name of someone who had a website on my system, and he suspected was sending threatening letters through the USPS.

      As an aside, check out this proposal. Congress wants to make it a crime with a 5 year sentence for lying to your registrar when you register your domain name.

    6. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by sphealey · · Score: 2
      I vow that if all other stores have discount cards which track your purchases, I will personally open a store which doesn't. So for my lifetime at least, those opinions are wrong.
      Not trying to get into a flame war here dude - I hope you are right!

      But prey tell, where will you get the stock for your store? From a wholesaler, eh? And when the wholesaler starts requiring a data dump of your customers' purchase habits before he will make a delivery? Or your bank requires same before it will give you a letter of credit, which you will need to be able to import all those exotic beers?

      When "just about everyone" starts capturing data, it really won't be feasible to be the only one who doesn't.

      sPh

    7. Re:What's wrong with Opt-out? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      And when the wholesaler starts requiring a data dump of your customers' purchase habits before he will make a delivery?

      I'll start my own wholesaler.

      Or your bank requires same before it will give you a letter of credit, which you will need to be able to import all those exotic beers?

      I find that far-fetched, but I guess I just wouldn't carry exotic beers. I dunno.

      When "just about everyone" starts capturing data, it really won't be feasible to be the only one who doesn't.

      As long as there are a significant number of people who value their privacy, it will be. Personally I don't care if what food I buy is made public. I have a discount card, and I use it. But there are a lot of people who do care, and as long as the government doesn't make privacy illegal (which is not what it's doing here), there will be a market for privacy, and those who are willing to pay for it will get it.

  21. Who would vote against a Privacy Bill? by Cheap+Imitation · · Score: 1
    What politician who wants to be re-elected would ever vote against a "Privacy Bill"?

    I could sponsor legislation to grind up kittens and baby seals to pave our highways, and as long as I named the bill something like the "Privacy Bill", every legislator would vote in favor. No one wants to go on record as being against a "Privacy Bill".

    This is one of the flaws in our short-attention-span news coverage. No one investigates in depth. Everyone assumes the name of the bill represents the contents. (PATRIOT Act anyone?) And so we get politicos voting on the name of the bill, rather than the content.

    1. Re:Who would vote against a Privacy Bill? by mcwop · · Score: 2

      We need truth in labeling laws to apply to bills. Another funny one is the "Farm Security Act". Kinda has a terrorist ring to it, when really it is a bloated piece of pork.

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  22. Making promises in legalese by yerricde · · Score: 1

    If you ask me for information, make no promises about what you're going to do with it, and I willingly give it to you

    What if the entity that asks for information does make promises, but buries them in a ten-page document at a college (commonly called 'legalese') reading level rather than in a one-page privacy policy at an eighth-grade (newspaper) reading level?

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  23. No right to sue by EReidJ · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Consumers would have no right to sue if their privacy was violated. Enforcement would be left in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission, which usually does not impose fines on a first offense.

    This is the part of the bill that I find particularly noxious and annoying. I can (with regret) swallow the rest of the bill, as long as the company gives me the explicit choice, whenever they collect the information, about whether I want to prevent them from selling the information to other people.

    But this... When a company breaks the law, and they violate my privacy, I have a right to sue their asses off! I have a right (a moral right, not a legal one, IANAL) to publicly punish them and make damn sure they never do this again and get appropriate compensation for violating my privacy. This bill specifically would take away this right from me.

    "Oh, I'm sorry, we didn't realize we were violating your privacy! All those magazine companies now know your income level? Whoops, our bad! But we're just going to do it again, because we have no incentive to obey the law!"

    Laws don't mean anything without teeth. Remove the teeth, might as well not even have the law.

    1. Re:No right to sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laws don't mean anything without teeth. Remove the teeth, might as well not even have the law.

      That is exactly why all these "voluntary privacy policies" are a lot of nonsense. So what if a company has a good privacy policy, there is no cost to the company for violating their own privacy policy. They get to have all the good PR benefits of claiming to be a good corporate citizen and they also get to do all the bad nasty things that they say they won't and they don't even have to worry about a slap on the wrist, much less punitive damages.

  24. Boucher received a phone call... by Saeger · · Score: 1

    "Mr. Boucher, if you don't play ball with us at least once in a while, you might have a fatal car accident." *CLICK*
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    1. Re:Boucher received a phone call... by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      Bad juju man.

      Even if it was a joke, even if it was a reference to something famous, never, ever even imply anything about assassination of a policitcal representative. This is doubly true in today's climate.

      I hope you don't get in shit for a stupid joke on Slashdot, but at least one guy got harassed by the feds over a post on kuro5hin, that discussed methods of terrorism in an acedemic way.

      Besides, Boucher is a fairly cool guy. Just remember who he represents, high tech internet companies. This is why he is against the DMCA, and this is also why he is in favor of this bill. I think he is misguided on this one, but I think that's his ultimate motivation.

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    2. Re:Boucher received a phone call... by Saeger · · Score: 2
      If it wasn't obvious, I was joking - it was supposed to be implied that this fictional call was placed by "MIBs" in order to stop his geek winning streak.

      Anyway, my comment isn't even close to approaching Jim Bell levels, or that dude on Howard Stern who wouldn't back down in seriousness and got a visit from the NSA.

      Besides, I don't think many people could argue that things are bad enough yet to warrant fixing corruption with murder. Voting still works... sortof.

      (I think I've prolly set off more echelon red flags in this post than the previous :)
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  25. Speak up, stop complaining here... by Kefaa · · Score: 2

    a long-awaited privacy bill Wednesday that would allow U.S. businesses to share information about customers

    Would this qualify as an oxymoron? Exactly how does releasing my private information qualify as privacy? Have these people ever opened a dictionary? Mr. & Mrs. Public would be up in arms if then knew they leaders were voting to allow their credit card companies access to their medical records. If you are sick isn't there a good chance you may miss a payment? Further, if you have a genetic pre-disposition to a disease, regardless of whether you have it, your employer should know, shouldn't they?

    A group of business leaders from high-tech firms said the bill struck the right balance between consumers and businesses

    A "group of business leaders". Would this be the same group being paid to collate and distribute this data? Or perhaps, the people that want the data? In either case, at least they are honest enough to admit the public is either in the dark or against it. [Okay, that is my spin... ]

    I'll predict a much greater level of Internet usage with these privacy policies in place," Boucher said.
    Amazing is that as a republican, who should be for more local government and smaller federal government, we have instead the rider that states this will override more restrictive local laws. Even more amusing (frightening?) is his biography which lists him as "a leading architect of federal policy for the Internet." I am really pressed to put some type of sarcasm here, but nothing I could say would be more foolish than his statement.

    I know I make this pitch every time one of these things get started, but contact your representatives.
    House of Representatives
    Senators

    And please remember: Be concise, polite, and on paper (fax may even be better as it is not double processed through the mail). In addition, CC the letter to your local newspaper's letter to the editor and you may as well try their email address. (But remember the study done last year, most representatives do not read emails)

    1. Re:Speak up, stop complaining here... by penguindung · · Score: 1

      Exactly; speak up and do something about it. Boucher is up for election come 5 November. How about you readers in VA join in a movement to have this bung-hole removed from office. You've elected him 10 times so of course he believes he's untouchable. How about taking the time to reasure him that he still represents somebody other than Disney. signed, f-ing Penguindung

    2. Re:Speak up, stop complaining here... by mcwop · · Score: 2
      You state in your post the following:

      "Amazing is that as a republican, who should be for more local government and smaller federal government, we have instead the rider that states this will override more restrictive local laws..."

      FYI - Rep. Boucher is a Democrat.

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    3. Re:Speak up, stop complaining here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As he's practically the only person in Congress who opposes the DMCA, etc., I don't think you should be so quick to toss him to the winds. He's not perfect, clearly -- but can you offer a better candidate? Do you think his opponents in the next elections will be more friendly to our causes? I kinda doubt it.

  26. Re:CmdrTaco - US Flag Desecrator & Anti-Delewa by shakah · · Score: 1
    the insinuation that Delawarians

    How about Delawenians? Or Delawarites?

    (for more options, see the original _Taxi_ episode)

  27. What a bloody joke! by kadehje · · Score: 2

    Here are a few quotes from the article for those who haven't read it.

    "Sponsors said the bill would establish basic privacy protections for consumers while minimizing the impact on business."

    OK, this seems reasonable at face value. Now let's see what protections consumers will in fact get from this bill.

    More than a year in the making, the privacy bill unveiled in the House differs from a competing bill making its way through the Senate that would require businesses to get consumers' explicit permission before sharing sensitive information such as income level, religious affiliation or political interests.

    Not that I think the Senate bill goes quite far enough for my liking, this opt-out policy essentially states that businesses will be free to do whatever they please with my information, especially if it turns out that businesses can reset their customers' privacy preferences (cough...Yahoo...cough) at any time. So I think the word negligible best describes our privacy rights under this bill.

    Let's assume that this bill does give us Americans a few crumbs of privacy. Here's what will happen to businesses that violate these rights:

    Consumers would have no right to sue if their privacy was violated. Enforcement would be left in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission, which usually does not impose fines on a first offense.

    Companies submitting to a self-regulatory privacy regime such as TRUSTe or BBBonline would enjoy protection from FTC actions.


    We all know how valiantly TRUSTe fights for consumers' privacy rights and how fiercely they punish businesses that violate their privacy policies, right. Give me an effing break! Not only do we end up with very few privacy protections, but the maximum punishment for violating the few rights (at least the first time around) that we have is a rebuke from a government bureau or an industry organization? Sounds like a great bill to me.

    It seems like the Senate bill is going to be the best case scenario for privacy advocates in this country, and the more likely scenario is a compromise between the House bill and Senate bill. In other words, we Americans will be lucky if the few basic protections we have regarding the privacy of bank and medical records we have still exist when the President signs whatever comes out from Congress. If only there was a "Control-Alt-Delete" option on ballots that indicated a desire for all 535 members of Congress and the President to be removed at the same time instead of having a voice over at most 4 of these officials' futures...

    One last thought: if this bill were to pass, maybe we could boomerang it back onto Big Business. The Supreme Court has decided that corporations are people, right? Corporations purchase services from people (e.g. developing software, fixing cars, making purchasing decisions), and often give those employees access to proprietary data in the process. Could the courts conclude that businesses have no right to privacy as well, claiming that the employees can reset the company's "privacy policy" (NDA) at any time, like businesses do to customers? Then, maybe, just maybe, things might not be so bad after all...

  28. CmdrTaco - US Flag Desecrator & Anti-Deleware! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As noted on the Smithsonian Institution's site, the first official American flag had thirteen stars and thirteen stripes, each representing one of the thirteen original states.

    The flag icon for Slashdot's 'United States' section is missing its first stripe - the stripe that represents Delaware, the first state admitted to the Union. While a simple oversight could be forgiven, it should be known from here on out that Slashdot is in fact aware of the missing stripe, and even worse, refuses to do anything about it!

    This vulgar flag desecration and rabid anti-Delawarism must be put to a stop. Let the Slashdot crew know that we will not accept a knowingly mutilated flag or the insinuation that Delawarians deserve to be cut out of the union. I ask you, what has Delaware done to deserve this insolence, this wanton disregard, this bigotry?

  29. It had to have no teeth by mountain_penguin · · Score: 1

    This bill has basically no powers opt out systems always have less people opting out however if it had teeth then every one would just ignore it.
    Just move payment / data store to another country even a seeland. All you do is allow somone to clooect things on your us website then when it comes to payments say payments are handled by our truested corp xyz
    xyz then collects all the infomation out of the duristiction of us and pays no us tax it can then sell the details to anyone it likes.
    Privacy bills have to allow corps enough freedom to do what the hell they like or they will just leave your country

  30. "Balance" by altaic · · Score: 1

    A problem with ruling:
    The right thing to for your people isn't always the best thing for your people.

    In this case, the right thing to do, obviously, is to protect privacy and require opt-in, not opt-out.

    Opt-out begs for spam, while opt-in will simply result in illegal spam. Illegal means it cannot fund a big business. The reason this is bad, is because a fair part of the *tech* economy revolves around advertising distribution.

    Notice the tech economy troubles? Well, the government needs to step in to keep the wonderful tech developments we all take for granted comming. The best thing for the people, clearly, is to keep the mainstream free software and services alive, and thus keep the tech economy going strong.

    The annoying deleting of spam pays for things of which we enjoy the use.

    This anti-privacy bill is a feeble attempt, methinks, because the tech industry is affected little by spam. Now setting the heartless calculating and decision-making econ people have to do aside, I bloody well hate opt-out. I think if any government measure is taken, it should not be another false inflation of the tech economy.

    1. Re:"Balance" by GigsVT · · Score: 2

      Well, the government needs to step in to keep the wonderful tech developments we all take for granted comming.

      Why?

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  31. Votes by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    Many people did vote for Bush 2nd. Not as many as voted for Al Gore of course (about 500,000 less), but the choice of the most number of people was "no particular preference, I can't be arsed to vote". So either candidate could have been appointed; but having a president as dad outranks having a senator as dad, so the better connected person was appointed, as announced by his cousin (at Fox) and helped by his brother (in Florida).

  32. Hey flamebait! by gkbarr · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    I'd like to see a /. feature that doesn't allow AC's to make first posts...

    Subscription what?

    wars not make one great

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  33. Speeding laws by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    where do you live? In London there are speed-cameras, red-light cameras, bus-lane cameras etc. every ten yards. Speeding and other traffic offenses are seen as a major revenue centre for local authorities and enforced accordingly!

    When they get connected to face-recognition software this will have major security implications.

    Of course, you can opt-out of junk mail and unsolicited phone calls (and treat any offenders as a revenue centre at £500 ($750?) a time yourself).

    1. Re:Speeding laws by MartinB · · Score: 2

      We also have the Telephone Preference Service, which stops unsolicted calls, and it has the force of law (and I believe &ukp2k fines per call) behind it. I'm registered, and I just don't get them any more.

      --

      The only thing you can accurately describe as "Scotch" is a sticky tape made by 3M. And it's

  34. And the reaction? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    And one of the supporters of this bill - the beloved Mr. Boucher.

    <VOICE type=luke-skywalker>
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    </VOICE>

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  35. Taxation Without Representation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What sort of taxes do corporations pay that allows them to get all the representation in this country? Should corporations who refuse to employ American's be allowed to lobby the government, or make political contributions?

    Consider:

    1.) They aren't paying taxes in the first place
    2.) Aren't employing Americans

    How much representation are citizens getting these days? Does the Patriot ACt indicate representation, the DMCA, this silly "Privacy" bill being discussed?

    We have a constitutional guarantee to have representation before our government and "Privacy" laws illustrate the issue.

    1. Re:Taxation Without Representation by mcwop · · Score: 2

      The company I work for paid $32 million in taxes on $85 million in income before taxes.

      --

      "I don't think it's selfish, to eat defenseless shellfish." -NOFX

    2. Re:Taxation Without Representation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you remember the story a year or two ago about how business can end up owing nothing? I remember Microsoft and IBM being on the long list.

    3. Re:Taxation Without Representation by mcwop · · Score: 2

      Sometimes it is the case, but not the rule.

      --

      "I don't think it's selfish, to eat defenseless shellfish." -NOFX

    4. Re:Taxation Without Representation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know, it's not taxes that get you representation. It's campaign contributions.

      Seriously, though, it's not taxes. You're represented as a Citizen, not a taxpayer. Please don't let yourself get put into the box of "taxpayer"; it's just like being a "consumer". You're so much more than that.

  36. This bill is dangerous; it give you no rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's opt out, it will kill hundreds of state laws on privacy, it will prevent all private rights of action, it will end common law development of tort law, it will undermine voluntary international agreements to protect privacy. This bill should be called the Prevention of Privacy Act. Congrats to Stearns et al. for being the whores of business.

  37. I hereby declare by SkyLeach · · Score: 2

    That any information about me in any form is the sole property of myself and may not be used in any form by any individual or organisation, whether private or public, for any purpose whatsoever.

    It is the responsibility of any person wishing to use such information to read the online publication Slashdot, and all it's user postings, to avoid being lible by not knowing that I have made this proclamation.

    Consider yourself warned.

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  38. Where do I sign....? by Zandromeda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So where do I sign up to tell every company that they have no right to share anything about me? How does one put the big red international symbol for "NO WAY IN HELL" on my information?
    Does this mean that every company that asks for information from you in any way would have to provide a mechanism for you to explicitly tell them they can't share your information? Does this mean a business can share my information as soon as they get it because I, the little consumer, have to go out on my own and specifically contact someone at the company who gives a rat's ass and tell them they can't share it?

    This bill certainly implies there should be a clear way to do this, but we all know that anything a law might imply does hold water, it just becomes another loop hole. I don't think a microscopic check box at the bottom of some long form is going to cut it.

    --
    "Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs."
  39. The right balance. by Kalabajoui · · Score: 1

    To businesses, the right balance is one which is heavily skewed against the consumer.

    1. Re:The right balance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's kind of funny the term balance was even used in the press release. How can a sane concept of balance be reached in a debate if only one side of the debate is represented?

      To create such an anti-consumer decision and then call it balnced, reminds me again of the concept of A Machine Within a Machine, where the external machine is just a facade to provide the illusion of representitive government, while the true machine lies many layers below, constructing the real rules of society, and do so in a way that is completely insulated from the will and desire of the people.

      Our government is running like a black box. Where infomation comes out without any immediate indication of what caused it's creation. Only after everything is said and done can one backtrack through the bribery and politcal connection to determine the reason for the output.

    2. Re:The right balance. by Kalabajoui · · Score: 1

      Yep, and an informed citizenry could put a stop to
      most government corruption in a heartbeat. But like a friend of mine is always telling me, "If, is a two-cent word with a million dollar meaning.".

  40. Look at the DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. The 'average' consumer doesn't care.

    Look at the fawning over new Sony products, or new movies, yet many (most) of the people then spend time bitching about the DMCA.

    Simple economics seem beyond the grasp of these people. If you give money to companies like Sony, they will use a part of that to get laws like the DMCA passed. If you don't give them money, they have less to spend on laws like the DMCA.

  41. This is not a one way street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same companies that profit by buying these "privacy" laws also have employees...employees with personal information and privacy concerns just like you and me. One could turn the table on these guys. One could write the companies that don't respect one's privacy and inform them that the privacy laws that help thier bottom line also allow one to collect personal, public information on thier employees and use it for any lawful purpose that one sees fit.

    I am not proposing that any laws be broken. I would hope that any reasonable person would first seek a less extreme negotiation with any privacy imparied business. Also I would hope that no decent person would use any other persons personal public information in a harmful manner

  42. Meet John Doe by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

    Yes, most Americans are stupid. Well intentioned, but stupid, like most of humanity. Nevertheless, it is the political system itself that is to blame, not the people. The system doesn't offer true choice and anytime people try to go alone or make a change to the system, it is smacked down.

    Watch "Meet John Doe". I also felt like jumping off a bridge by the end.

  43. Opt-out -v- Opt-in in the UK by MartinB · · Score: 2

    Here, most data is opt-out, but sensitive data (health, politics, sexual behaviour, financial information) is opt-out. And that's enforced by law.

    However, if you want to share it with a third party (even an unrelated arm of the same group of companies), it's all opt-in.

    Oh, and if you want to use any data, you have to be registered. The Data Protection Commissioner who runs the register has the power to stop you using your database on suspicion of mis-using data. Which costs a lot if you're British Gas, who had just this happen to them a couple of years back.

    It's a powerful dissuader...

    --

    The only thing you can accurately describe as "Scotch" is a sticky tape made by 3M. And it's

    1. Re:Opt-out -v- Opt-in in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said "most data is opt-out, but sensitive data ... is opt-out". Could you clarify that? :-)

    2. Re:Opt-out -v- Opt-in in the UK by MartinB · · Score: 1

      Yep - typo. Most data is opt-out, but sensitive data is opt-in.

      --

      The only thing you can accurately describe as "Scotch" is a sticky tape made by 3M. And it's

  44. Do no harm...to who? by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

    Stearns, a Florida Republican whose consumer-protection subcommittee held six hearings on privacy last year, said the free flow of consumer data has been a cornerstone of the modern information-based economy.

    The free flow of my information is what has been keeping this economy going? What economy is he living in?

    "The underlying principle that anchors this bill is, 'do no harm,' " he said.

    Do no harm to who? Your representing me and any time my privacy is violated I incur harm.

    --

    Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
  45. If you people really cared about privacy... by zaphod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...you should be fighting against income taxes. There is no bigger threat to privacy that the governemnt knowing where you work, how much you make, who you donate money to, where you invest your money, etc... Isn't that an invasion of privacy? That offends me more than getting a couple of spams a day.

    Of course, just the thought eliminating income taxes (versus a consumpion/sales tax only) makes the people at the ACLU or the Center for Democracy and Technology jump out of their skin. So I want to ask people (especially those who lean to the left), "If you care so much about privacy, don't yo uthink we should eliminate income taxes?"

    --
    Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you!
    1. Re:If you people really cared about privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the ACLU or CDT has taken any position on that issue, and I don't think they would. If you mean, what would their members feel individually and privately, on a statistical basis, you might be right. But you can't indict the organizations for that.

      As for me, who definitely "leans left" and has at times been a member of both organizations? I think we should return the income tax to what it was when it started out: something that applied only to the rich. Shift the burden to them -- they can easily cover it.

      I think this position is pretty idiosyncratic, and I haven't heard anyone else espousing it.

    2. Re:If you people really cared about privacy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P.S. What freaked me out about the most recent Census was all the brouhaha about its violating privacy, when in fact, most people give more info to the government in filing their tax forms. It's not a point that I'd heard anyone else bring up, until now.

  46. Copyright by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    dosn't the copyright on information disclosed by an individual belong to that individual. So this bill is a pro piricy bill, to bad we ain't the RIAA.

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    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
  47. Opt-in by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    You opt-in by providing your information in the first place. BFD.

  48. Do no harm? by ratbert6 · · Score: 1

    Quote: "The underlying principle that anchors this bill is, 'do no harm,' " he said.

    If I cannot sue the company when I have been wronged (privacy violated) than this bill will have HARMED me. Simple as that.

    --
    There is no innocence in the eyes of an evil man with power. Referring to Judge Roy A. Scoggins 378th District Court
  49. What good is the support of us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all love Rick Boucher for his technology initiatives, but surely we're not so conceited as to think he's doing this for us!

    Having the support of the technology community is mostly about having the support of millions of pirating, lazy, whiny teenagers and 20-somethings. The Linux community might be made up of can-do type people who don't mind doing work for the good of all, but I'm afraid that this is a solid minority of human beings who use a computer.

    So the question is, while he's going on about being on our side (which is worth almost nothing in terms of what we can do for him, since most of us are incurably lazy when it comes to politics), what's he REALLY getting out of it? Why's he willing to anger huge campaign contributors and businessmen and his fellow politicians to support a few million folks who want to pirate mp3s and download movies? Maybe I'm cynical, but that's exactly what I want to know before I give him my unconditional support.

  50. Standard operating procedure: by Telastyn · · Score: 2

    Look, we have in the past emailed/written/called Boucher to say "yay, good job". Why not now call to say "hey, this sucks. we should be able to sue for privacy violations, and we should have to opt in for this shit."

  51. Postal vs. E-mail by Soulfader · · Score: 1

    Interestingly enough, I received a letter from my representative in response to one of those charming form letters I had sent electronically re: SPISPOPD or whatever that acronym that scary-ass legislation has been changed to now.

    What I noticed most was a) the quality of the paper his response was on, b) the completely mealy-mouthed wishy-washy nature of his response, and c) his request at the end to correspond via e-mail rather than postal mail. Only the latter surprised me.

    Apparently, there have been significant delays in postal processing for legislators in light of the anthrax scare (damn that band). I know not whether this is actually the case, or whether he simply wants to keep the internet kooks from filling up his physical inbox.

  52. Speak for you ! by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I am pretty sure my car has emotion. I have to caress the wheel sensually and say it sweet word to make it start from cold in winter.

    Same for my computer under windows. If I am on knee and promise to sell my soul to bill gates I remarked that windows crash a bit less. Try it at home !

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  53. No it wouldn;t by G00F · · Score: 2

    "It would at least require companies to obey their own privacy policies."

    No it wouldn't, because you wouldn't have any legal action against them if they break it. And I never have heard much in the way of the FTC. We would be completly reliant that the FTC bears of this, and actualy doing something.

    "Consumers would have no right to sue if their privacy was violated. Enforcement would be left in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission, which usually does not impose fines on a first offense."

    --
    The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive
  54. I'm not normally an activist, but.... by praveus · · Score: 0

    I think in the wake of recent events with CARP, the DMCA, RIAA et al, and now this lovely piece of corporate lobby tripe, it is high time that a larger number of us found our voice and spoke out against the things that are going on around us. It is all well and good to say that "they will see my displeasure in my next vote", but to be perfectly honest with ourselves, how often do you think that legislators actually wonder about "what John Q. Slashdotter is thinking"?

    My dad always said, "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" and it is in a large part very true. Those who speak out, repeatedly and loudly, for their rights, their freedoms, those are the people who get what they want. In other words, WRITE your Representatives and your Senators. Call them. Email them. REPEAT. Then repeat again and again and again, until they hear you and do what you want just to shut you the hell up. Make use of the system.

    If everyone who reads this article were as persistant and adamant about Privacy Rights as the corporate lobbies are about having NO privacy rights for consumers, then I am sure that those money grubbing pricks would have a fight on their hands. As is now, the public is a push over on the scale of McFly. Time to tell Biff to get his damn hands off my privacy.

  55. Anyone have the Bill # for this? by VargrX · · Score: 1

    So I can call my rep's and tell them just how I feel about my cc company profiling my medical background.

    --
    Sometimes people just have to learn and adapt to change, it is one of the requirements of being a living thing.
  56. Re:CmdrTaco - US Flag Desecrator & Anti-Delewa by WGR · · Score: 1
    I ask you, what has Delaware done to deserve this insolence, this wanton disregard, this bigotry?

    Easy. Delaware has the weakest corporation laws in the United States so many companys incorporate in Delaware to avoid disclosing their true corporate shenannigans.

  57. Full Text of Bill by Wintersmute · · Score: 2

    Here it is... I wanted to prevent the IANALization of this thread. Now you can say, IANALBIPOOS ("I am not a lawyer but I play one on Slashdot"). I would have posted the direct link to THOMAS, but then everyone would have just /.ed the Library of Congress, and they've probably got more important things to do. If you do go to THOMAS, the bill no. is 2201. Had to cut out the ToC - sorry - it was tripping the lameness filter (how appropriate that legislation tweaks the lameness filter. Ha.)

    A BILL
    To protect the online privacy of individuals who use the Internet.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `Online Personal Privacy Act'.

    The Congress finds the following:

    (1) The right to privacy is a personal and fundamental right worthy of protection through appropriate legislation.

    (2) Individuals engaging in and interacting with companies engaged in interstate commerce have a significant interest in their personal information, as well as a right to control how that information is collected, used, or transferred.

    (3) Absent the recognition of these rights and the establishment of consequent industry responsibilities to safeguard those rights, the privacy of individuals who use the Internet will soon be more gravely threatened.

    (4) To extent that States regulate, their efforts to address Internet privacy will lead to a patchwork of inconsistent standards and protections.

    (5) Existing State, local, and Federal laws provide minimal privacy protection for Internet users.

    (6) With the exception of Federal Trade Commission enforcement of laws against unfair and deceptive practices, the Federal Government thus far has eschewed general Internet privacy laws in favor of industry self-regulation, which has led to several self-policing schemes, none of which are enforceable in any meaningful way or provide sufficient privacy protection to individuals.

    (7) State governments have been reluctant to enter the field of Internet privacy regulation because use of the Internet often crosses State, or even national, boundaries.

    (8) States are nonetheless interested in providing greater privacy protection to their citizens as evidenced by recent lawsuits brought against offline and online companies by State attorneys general to protect the privacy of individuals using the Internet.

    (9) The ease of gathering and compiling personal information on the Internet, both overtly and surreptitiously, is becoming increasingly efficient and effortless due to advances in digital communications technology which have provided information gatherers the ability to compile seamlessly highly detailed personal histories of Internet users.

    (10) Personal information flowing over the Internet requires greater privacy protection than is currently available today. Vast amounts of personal information, including sensitive information, about individual Internet users are collected on the Internet and sold or otherwise transferred to third parties.

    (11) Poll after poll consistently demonstrates that individual Internet users are highly troubled over their lack of control over their personal information.

    (12) Market research demonstrates that tens of billions of dollars in e-commerce are lost due to individual fears about a lack of privacy protection on the Internet.

    (13) Market research demonstrates that as many as one-third of all Internet users give false information about themselves to protect their privacy, due to fears about a lack of privacy protection on the Internet.

    (14) Notwithstanding these concerns, the Internet is becoming a major part of the personal and commercial lives of millions of Americans, providing increased access to information, as well as communications and commercial opportunities.

    (15) It is important to establish personal privacy rights and industry obligations now so that individuals have confidence that their personal privacy is fully protected on the Internet.

    (16) The social and economic costs of establishing baseline privacy standards now will be lower than if Congress waits until the Internet becomes more prevalent in our everyday lives in coming years.

    (17) Whatever costs may be borne by industry will be significantly offset by the economic benefits to the commercial Internet created by increased consumer confidence occasioned by greater privacy protection.

    (18) Toward the close of the 20th Century, as individuals' personal information was increasingly collected, profiled, and shared for commercial purposes, and as technology advanced to facilitate these practices, the Congress enacted numerous statutes to protect privacy.

    (19) Those statutes apply to the government, telephones, cable television, e-mail, video tape rentals, and the Internet (but only with respect to children).

    (20) Those statutes all provide significant privacy protections, but neither limit technology nor stifle business.

    (21) Those statutes ensure that the collection and commercialization of individuals' personal information is fair, transparent, and subject to law.

    SEC. 4. PREEMPTION OF STATE LAW OR REGULATIONS.

    This Act supersedes any State statute, regulation, or rule regulating Internet privacy to the extent that it relates to the collection, use, or disclosure of personally identifiable information obtained through the Internet.

    TITLE I--ONLINE PRIVACY PROTECTION

    SEC. 101. COLLECTION, USE, OR DISCLOSURE OF PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION.

    (a) IN GENERAL- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website on the Internet may not collect personally identifiable information from a user, or use or disclose personally identifiable information about a user, of that service or website except in accordance with the provisions of this Act.

    (b) APPLICATION TO CERTAIN THIRD-PARTY OPERATORS- The provisions of this Act applicable to internet service providers, online service providers, and commercial website operators apply to any third party, including an advertising network, that uses an internet service provider, online service provider, or commercial website operator to collect information about users of that service or website.

    SEC. 102. NOTICE AND CONSENT REQUIREMENTS.

    (a) NOTICE- Except as provided in section 104, an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may not collect personally identifiable information from a user of that service or website online unless that provider or operator provides clear and conspicuous notice to the user in the manner required by this section for the kind of personally identifiable information to be collected. The notice shall disclose--

    (1) the specific types of information that will be collected;

    (2) the methods of collecting and using the information collected; and

    (3) all disclosure practices of that provider or operator for personally identifiable information so collected, including whether it will be disclosed to third parties.

    (b) SENSITIVE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION REQUIRES OPT-IN CONSENT- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may not--

    (1) collect sensitive personally identifiable information online, or

    (2) disclose or otherwise use such information collected online, from a user of that service or website,

    unless the provider or operator obtains that user's affirmative consent to the collection and disclosure or use of that information before, or at the time, the information is collected.

    (c) NONSENSITIVE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION REQUIRES ROBUST NOTICE AND OPT-OUT CONSENT- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may not--

    (1) collect personally identifiable information not described in subsection (b) online, or

    (2) disclose or otherwise use such information collected online, from a user of that service or website,

    unless the provider or operator provides robust notice to the user, in addition to clear and conspicuous notice, and has given the user an opportunity to decline consent for such collection and use by the provider or operator before, or at the time, the information is collected.

    (d) INITIAL NOTICE ONLY FOR ROBUST NOTICE- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website shall provide robust notice under subsection (c) of this section to a user only upon its first collection of non-sensitive personally identifiable information from that user, except that a subsequent collection of additional or materially different non-sensitive personally identifiable information from that user shall be treated as a first collection of such information from that user.

    (e) PERMANENCE OF CONSENT-

    (1) IN GENERAL- The consent or denial of consent by a user of permission to an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website to collect, disclose, or otherwise use any information about that user for which consent is required under this Act--

    (A) shall remain in effect until changed by the user; and

    (B) shall apply to the collection, disclosure, or other use of that information by any entity that is a commercial successor of, or legal successor-in-interest to, that provider or operator, without regard to the legal form in which such succession was accomplished (including any entity that collects, discloses, or uses such information as a result of a proceeding under chapter 7 or chapter 11 of title 11, United States Code, with respect to the provider or operator).

    (2) EXCEPTION- The consent by a user to the collection, disclosure, or other use of information about that user for which consent is required under this Act does not apply to the collection, disclosure, or use of that information by a successor entity under paragraph (1)(B) if--

    (A) the kind of information collected by the successor entity about the user is materially different from the kind of information collected by the predecessor entity;

    (B) the methods of collecting and using the information employed by the successor entity are materially different from the methods employed by the predecessor entity; or

    (C) the disclosure practices of the successor entity are materially different from the practices of the predecessor entity.

    SEC. 103. POLICY CHANGES; BREACH OF PRIVACY.

    (a) NOTICE OF POLICY CHANGE- Whenever an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website makes a material change in its policy for the collection, use, or disclosure of sensitive or nonsensitive personally identifiable information, it--

    (1) shall notify all users of that service or website of the change in policy; and

    (2) may not collect, disclose, or otherwise use any sensitive or nonsensitive personally identifiable information in accordance with the changed policy unless the user has been afforded an opportunity to consent, or withhold consent, to its collection, disclosure, or use in accordance with the requirements of section 102 (b) or (c), whichever is applicable.

    (b) Notice of Breach of Privacy-

    (1) IN GENERAL- If the sensitive or nonsensitive personally identifiable information of a user of an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website--

    (A) is collected, disclosed, or otherwise used by the provider or operator in violation of any provision of this Act, or

    (B) the security, confidentiality, or integrity of such information is compromised by a hacker or other third party, or by any act or failure to act of the provider or operator,

    then the provider or operator shall notify all users whose sensitive or nonsensitive personally identifiable information was affected by the unlawful collection, disclosure, use, or compromise. The notice shall describe the nature of the unlawful collection, disclosure, use, or compromise and the steps taken by the provider or operator to remedy it.

    (2) Delay of notification-

    (A) ACTION TAKEN BY INDIVIDUALS- If the compromise of the security, confidentiality, or integrity of the information is caused by a hacker or other external interference with the service or website, or by an employee of the service or website, the provider or operator may postpone issuing the notice required by paragraph (1) for a reasonable period of time in order to--

    (i) facilitate the detection and apprehension of the person responsible for the compromise; and

    (ii) take such measures as may be necessary to restore the integrity of the service or website and prevent any further compromise of the security, confidentiality, and integrity of such information.

    (B) SYSTEM FAILURES AND OTHER FUNCTIONAL CAUSES- If the unlawful collection, disclosure, use, or compromise of the security, confidentiality, and integrity of the information is the result of a system failure, a problem with the operating system, software, or program used by the internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of the commercial website, or other non-external interference with the service or website, the provider or operator may postpone issuing the notice required by paragraph (1) for a reasonable period of time in order to--

    (i) restore the system's functionality or fix the problem; and

    (ii) take such measures as may be necessary to restore the integrity of the service or website and prevent any further compromise of the security, confidentiality, and integrity of the information after the failure or problem has been fixed and the integrity of the service or website has been restored.

    SEC. 104. EXCEPTIONS.

    (a) IN GENERAL- Section 102 does not apply to the collection, disclosure, or use by an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website of information about a user of that service or website necessary--

    (1) to protect the security or integrity of the service or website or to ensure the safety of other people or property;

    (2) to conduct a transaction, deliver a product or service, or complete an arrangement for which the user provided the information; or

    (3) to provide other products and services integrally related to the transaction, service, product, or arrangement for which the user provided the information.

    (b) PROTECTED DISCLOSURES- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may not be held liable under this Act, any other Federal law, or any State law for any disclosure made in good faith and following reasonable procedures in responding to--

    (1) a request for disclosure of personal information under section 1302(b)(1)(B)(iii) of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (15 U.S.C. 6501 et seq.) to the parent of a child; or

    (2) a request for access to, or correction or deletion of, personally identifiable information under section 105 of this Act.

    (c) Disclosure to Law Enforcement Agency or Under Court Order-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, an internet service provider, online service provider, operator of a commercial website, or third party that uses such a service or website to collect information about users of that service or website may disclose personally identifiable information about a user of that service or website--

    (A) to a law enforcement, investigatory, national security, or regulatory agency or department of the United States in response to a request or demand made under authority granted to that agency or department, including a warrant issued under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, an equivalent State warrant, a court order, or a properly executed administrative compulsory process; and

    (B) in response to a court order in a civil proceeding granted upon a showing of compelling need for the information that cannot be accommodated by any other means if--

    (i) the user to whom the information relates is given reasonable notice by the person seeking the information of the court proceeding at which the order is requested; and

    (ii) that user is afforded a reasonable opportunity to appear and contest the issuance of requested order or to narrow its scope.

    (2) SAFEGUARDS AGAINST FURTHER DISCLOSURE- A court that issues an order described in paragraph (1) shall impose appropriate safeguards on the use of the information to protect against its unauthorized disclosure.

    SEC. 105. ACCESS.

    (a) IN GENERAL- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website shall--

    (1) upon request provide reasonable access to a user to personally identifiable information that the provider or operator has collected from the user online, or that the provider or operator has combined with personally identifiable information collected from the user online after the effective date of this Act;

    (2) provide a reasonable opportunity for a user to suggest a correction or deletion of any such information maintained by that provider or operator to which the user was granted access; and

    (3) make the correction a part of that user's sensitive personally identifiable information or nonsensitive personally identifiable information (whichever is appropriate), or make the deletion, for all future disclosure and other use purposes.

    (b) EXCEPTION- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may decline to make a suggested correction a part of that user's sensitive personally identifiable information or nonsensitive personally identifiable information (whichever is appropriate), or to make a suggested deletion if the provider or operator--

    (1) reasonably believes that the suggested correction or deletion is inaccurate or otherwise inappropriate;

    (2) notifies the user in writing, or in digital or other electronic form, of the reasons the provider or operator believes the suggested correction or deletion is inaccurate or otherwise inappropriate; and

    (3) provides a reasonable opportunity for the user to refute the reasons given by the provider or operator for declining to make the suggested correction or deletion.

    (c) REASONABLENESS TEST- The reasonableness of the access or opportunity provided under subsection (a) or (b) by an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website shall be determined by taking into account such factors as the sensitivity of the information requested and the burden or expense on the provider or operator of complying with the request, correction, or deletion.

    (d) Reasonable Access Fee-

    (1) IN GENERAL- An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website may impose a reasonable charge for access under subsection (a).

    (2) AMOUNT- The amount of the fee shall not exceed $3, except that upon request of a user, a provider or operator shall provide such access without charge to that user if the user certifies in writing that the user--

    (A) is unemployed and intends to apply for employment in the 60-day period beginning on the date on which the certification is made;

    (B) is a recipient of public welfare assistance; or

    (C) has reason to believe that the incorrect information is due to fraud.

    SEC. 106. SECURITY.

    An internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website shall establish and maintain reasonable procedures necessary to protect the security, confidentiality, and integrity of personally identifiable information maintained by that provider or operator.

    TITLE II--ENFORCEMENT

    SEC. 201. ENFORCEMENT BY FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION.

    Except as provided in section 202(b) of this Act and section 2710(d) of title 18, United States Code, this Act shall be enforced by the Commission.

    SEC. 202. VIOLATION IS UNFAIR OR DECEPTIVE ACT OR PRACTICE.

    (a) IN GENERAL- The violation of any provision of title I is an unfair or deceptive act or practice proscribed under section 18(a)(1)(B) of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 57a(a)(1)(B)).

    (b) ENFORCEMENT BY CERTAIN OTHER AGENCIES- Compliance with title I of this Act shall be enforced under--

    (1) section 8 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 1818), in the case of--

    (A) national banks, and Federal branches and Federal agencies of foreign banks, by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency;

    (B) member banks of the Federal Reserve System (other than national banks), branches and agencies of foreign banks (other than Federal branches, Federal agencies, and insured State branches of foreign banks), commercial lending companies owned or controlled by foreign banks, and organizations operating under section 25 or 25A of the Federal Reserve Act (12 U.S.C. 601 and 611), by the Board; and

    (C) banks insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (other than members of the Federal Reserve System) and insured State branches of foreign banks, by the Board of Directors of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation;

    (2) section 8 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 1818), by the Director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, in the case of a savings association the deposits of which are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation;

    (3) the Federal Credit Union Act (12 U.S.C. 1751 et seq.) by the National Credit Union Administration Board with respect to any Federal credit union;

    (4) part A of subtitle VII of title 49, United States Code, by the Secretary of Transportation with respect to any air carrier or foreign air carrier subject to that part;

    (5) the Packers and Stockyards Act, 1921 (7 U.S.C. 181 et seq.) (except as provided in section 406 of that Act (7 U.S.C. 226, 227)), by the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to any activities subject to that Act; and

    (6) the Farm Credit Act of 1971 (12 U.S.C. 2001 et seq.) by the Farm Credit Administration with respect to any Federal land bank, Federal land bank association, Federal intermediate credit bank, or production credit association.

    (c) EXERCISE OF CERTAIN POWERS- For the purpose of the exercise by any agency referred to in subsection (b) of its powers under any Act referred to in that subsection, a violation of title I is deemed to be a violation of a requirement imposed under that Act. In addition to its powers under any provision of law specifically referred to in subsection (b), each of the agencies referred to in that subsection may exercise, for the purpose of enforcing compliance with any requirement imposed under title I, any other authority conferred on it by law.

    (d) ACTIONS BY THE COMMISSION- The Commission shall prevent any person from violating title I in the same manner, by the same means, and with the same jurisdiction, powers, and duties as though all applicable terms and provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.) were incorporated into and made a part of this Act. Any entity that violates any provision of that subtitle is subject to the penalties and entitled to the privileges and immunities provided in the Federal Trade Commission Act in the same manner, by the same means, and with the same jurisdiction, power, and duties as though all applicable terms and provisions of the Federal Trade Commission Act were incorporated into and made a part of that subtitle.

    (e) Disposition of Civil Penalties Obtained by FTC Enforcement Action Involving Nonsensitive Personally Identifiable Information-

    (1) IN GENERAL- If a civil penalty is imposed on an internet service provider, online service provider, or commercial website operator in an enforcement action brought by the Commission for a violation of title I with respect to nonsensitive personally identifiable information of users of the service or website, the penalty shall be--

    (A) paid to the Commission;

    (B) held by the Commission in trust for distribution under paragraph (2); and

    (C) distributed in accordance with paragraph (2).

    (2) DISTRIBUTION TO USERS- Under procedures to be established by the Commission, the Commission shall hold any amount received as a civil penalty for violation of title I for a period of not less than 180 days for distribution under those procedures to users--

    (A) whose nonsensitive personally identifiable information was the subject of the violation; and

    (B) who file claims with the Commission for compensation for loss or damage from the violation at such time, in such manner, and containing such information as the Commission may require.

    (3) AMOUNT OF PAYMENT- The amount a user may receive under paragraph (2)--

    (i) shall not exceed $200; and

    (ii) may be limited by the Commission as necessary to afford each such user a reasonable opportunity to secure that user's appropriate portion of the amount available for distribution.

    (4) REMAINDER- If the amount of any such penalty held by the Commission exceeds the sum of the amounts distributed under paragraph (2) attributable to that penalty, the excess shall be covered into the Treasury of the United States as miscellaneous receipts no later than 12 months after it was paid to the Commission.

    (f) EFFECT ON OTHER LAWS-

    (1) PRESERVATION OF COMMISSION AUTHORITY- Nothing contained in this subtitle shall be construed to limit the authority of the Commission under any other provision of law.

    (2) RELATION TO TITLE II OF COMMUNICATIONS ACT- Nothing in title I requires an operator of a website or online service to take any action that is inconsistent with the requirements of section 222 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 222).

    (3) RELATION TO TITLE VI OF COMMUNICATIONS ACT- Section 631 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 551) is amended by adding at the end the following:

    `(i) To the extent that the application of any provision of this title to a cable operator as an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website (as those terms are defined in section 401 of the Online Personal Privacy Act) with respect to the provision of Internet service or online service, or the operation of a commercial website, conflicts with the application of any provision of that Act to such provision or operation, the Act shall be applied in lieu of the conflicting provision of this title.'.

    SEC. 203. ACTIONS BY USERS.

    (a) PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION FOR SENSITIVE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION- If an internet service provider, online service provider, or commercial website operator collects, discloses, or uses the sensitive personally identifiable information of any person or fails to provide reasonable access to or reasonable security for such sensitive personally identifiable information in violation of any provision of title I then that person may bring an action in a district court of the United States of appropriate jurisdiction--

    (1) to enjoin or restrain a violation of title I or to obtain other appropriate relief; and

    (2) upon a showing of actual harm to that person caused by the violation, to recover the greater of--

    (A) the actual monetary loss from the violation; or

    (B) $5,000.

    (b) REPEATED VIOLATIONS- If the court finds, in an action brought under subsection (a) to recover damages, that the defendant repeatedly and knowingly violated title I, the court may, in its discretion, increase the amount of the award available under subsection (a)(2)(B) to an amount not in excess of $100,000.

    (c) EXCEPTION- Neither an action to enjoin or restrain a violation, nor an action to recover for loss or damage, may be brought under this section for the accidental disclosure of information if the disclosure was caused by an Act of God, unforeseeable network or systems failure, or other event beyond the control of the Internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website.

    SEC. 204. ACTIONS BY STATES. (a) IN GENERAL-

    (1) CIVIL ACTIONS- In any case in which the attorney general of a State has reason to believe that an interest of the residents of that State has been or is threatened or adversely affected by the engagement of any person in a practice that violates title I, the State, as parens patriae, may bring a civil action on behalf of the residents of the State in a district court of the United States of appropriate jurisdiction--

    (A) to enjoin that practice;

    (B) to enforce compliance with the rule;

    (C) to obtain damage, restitution, or other compensation on behalf of residents of the State; or

    (D) to obtain such other relief as the court may consider to be appropriate.

    (2) NOTICE-

    (A) IN GENERAL- Before filing an action under paragraph (1), the attorney general of the State involved shall provide to the Commission--

    (i) written notice of that action; and

    (ii) a copy of the complaint for that action.

    (B) EXEMPTION-

    (i) IN GENERAL- Subparagraph (A) shall not apply with respect to the filing of an action by an attorney general of a State under this subsection, if the attorney general determines that it is not feasible to provide the notice described in that subparagraph before the filing of the action.

    (ii) NOTIFICATION- In an action described in clause (i), the attorney general of a State shall provide notice and a copy of the complaint to the Commission at the same time as the attorney general files the action.

    (b) INTERVENTION-

    (1) IN GENERAL- On receiving notice under subsection (a)(2), the Commission shall have the right to intervene in the action that is the subject of the notice.

    (2) EFFECT OF INTERVENTION- If the Commission intervenes in an action under subsection (a), it shall have the right--

    (A) to be heard with respect to any matter that arises in that action; and

    (B) to file a petition for appeal.

    (c) CONSTRUCTION- For purposes of bringing any civil action under subsection (a), nothing in this subtitle shall be construed to prevent an attorney general of a State from exercising the powers conferred on the attorney general by the laws of that State to--

    (1) conduct investigations;

    (2) administer oaths or affirmations; or

    (3) compel the attendance of witnesses or the production of documentary and other evidence.

    (d) ACTIONS BY THE COMMISSION- In any case in which an action is instituted by or on behalf of the Commission for violation of title I, no State may, during the pendency of that action, institute an action under subsection (a) against any defendant named in the complaint in that action for violation of that rule.

    (e) VENUE; SERVICE OF PROCESS-

    (1) VENUE- Any action brought under subsection (a) may be brought in the district court of the United States that meets applicable requirements relating to venue under section 1391 of title 28, United States Code.

    (2) SERVICE OF PROCESS- In an action brought under subsection (a), process may be served in any district in which the defendant--

    (A) is an inhabitant; or

    (B) may be found.

    SEC. 205. WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTION.

    (a) IN GENERAL- No internet service provider, online service provider, or commercial website operator may discharge or otherwise discriminate against any employee with respect to compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment because the employee (or any person acting pursuant to the request of the employee) provided information to any Federal or State agency or to the Attorney General of the United States or of any State regarding a violation of any provision of title I.

    (b) ENFORCEMENT- Any employee or former employee who believes he has been discharged or discriminated against in violation of subsection (a) may file a civil action in the appropriate United States district court before the close of the 2-year period beginning on the date of such discharge or discrimination. The complainant shall also file a copy of the complaint initiating such action with the appropriate Federal agency.

    (c) REMEDIES- If the district court determines that a violation of subsection (a) has occurred, it may order the Internet service provider, online service provider, or commercial website operator that committed the violation--

    (1) to reinstate the employee to his former position;

    (2) to pay compensatory damages; or

    (3) to take other appropriate actions to remedy any past discrimination.

    (d) LIMITATION- The protections of this section shall not apply to any employee who--

    (1) deliberately causes or participates in the alleged violation; or

    (2) knowingly or recklessly provides substantially false information to such an agency or the Attorney General.

    (e) BURDENS OF PROOF- The legal burdens of proof that prevail under subchapter III of chapter 12 of title 5, United States Code (5 U.S.C. 1221 et seq.) shall govern adjudication of protected activities under this section.

    SEC. 206. NO EFFECT ON OTHER REMEDIES.

    The remedies provided by sections 203 and 204 are in addition to any other remedy available under any provision of law.

    TITLE III--APPLICATION TO CONGRESS AND FEDERAL AGENCIES

    SEC. 301. SENATE.

    The Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate shall develop regulations setting forth an information security and electronic privacy policy governing use of the Internet by officers and employees of the Senate that meets the requirements of title I.

    SEC. 302. APPLICATION TO FEDERAL AGENCIES.

    (a) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subsection (b), this Act applies to each Federal agency that is an internet service provider or an online service provider, or that operates a website, to the extent provided by section 2674 of title 28, United States Code.

    (b) EXCEPTIONS- This Act does not apply to any Federal agency to the extent that the application of this Act would compromise law enforcement activities or the administration of any investigative, security, or safety operation conducted in accordance with Federal law.

    TITLE IV--MISCELLANEOUS

    SEC. 401. DEFINITIONS.

    In this Act:

    (1) COLLECT- The term `collect' means the gathering of personally identifiable information about a user of an Internal service, online service, or commercial website by or on behalf of the provider or operator of that service or website by any means, direct or indirect, active or passive, including--

    (A) an online request for such information by the provider or operator, regardless of how the information is transmitted to the provider or operator;

    (B) the use of a chat room, message board, or other online service to gather the information; or

    (C) tracking or use of any identifying code linked to a user of such a service or website, including the use of cookies or other tracking technology.

    (2) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the Federal Trade Commission.

    (3) COOKIE- The term `cookie' means any program, function, or device, commonly known as a `cookie', that makes a record on the user's computer (or other electronic device) of that user's access to an internet service, online service, or commercial website.

    (4) DISCLOSE- The term `disclose' means the release of personally identifiable information about a user of an Internet service, online service, or commercial website by an internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website for any purpose, except where such information is provided to a person who provides support for the internal operations of the service or website and who does not disclose or use that information for any other purpose.

    (5) FEDERAL AGENCY- The term `Federal agency' means an agency, as that term is defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code.

    (6) INTERNAL OPERATIONS SUPPORT- The term `support for the internal operations of a service or website' means any activity necessary to maintain the technical functionality of that service or website.

    (7) INTERNET- The term `Internet' means collectively the myriad of computer and telecommunications facilities, including equipment and operating software, which comprise the interconnected world-wide network of networks that employ the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol, or any predecessor or successor protocols to such protocol, to communicate information of all kinds by wire or radio.

    (8) INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER; ONLINE SERVICE PROVIDER; WEBSITE- The Commission shall by rule define the terms `internet service provider', `online service provider', and `website', and shall revise or amend such rule to take into account changes in technology, practice, or procedure with respect to the collection of personal information over the Internet.

    (9) ONLINE- The term `online' refers to any activity regulated by this Act or by section 2710 of title 18, United States Code, that is effected by active or passive use of an Internet connection, regardless of the medium by or through which that connection is established.

    (10) OPERATOR OF A COMMERCIAL WEBSITE- The term `operator of a commercial website'--

    (A) means any person who operates a website located on the Internet or an online service and who collects or maintains personal information from or about the users of or visitors to such website or online service, or on whose behalf such information is collected or maintained, where such website or online service is operated for commercial purposes, including any person offering products or services for sale through that website or online service, involving commerce--

    (i) among the several States or with 1 or more foreign nations;

    (ii) in any territory of the United States or in the District of Columbia, or between any such territory and--

    (I) another such territory; or

    (II) any State or foreign nation; or

    (iii) between the District of Columbia and any State, territory, or foreign nation; but

    (B) does not include any nonprofit entity that would otherwise be exempt from coverage under section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45).

    (11) PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION-

    (A) IN GENERAL- The term `personally identifiable information' means individually identifiable information about an individual collected online, including--

    (i) a first and last name, whether given at birth or adoption, assumed, or legally changed;

    (ii) a home or other physical address including street name and name of a city or town;

    (iii) an e-mail address;

    (iv) a telephone number;

    (v) a birth certificate number;

    (vi) any other identifier for which the Commission finds there is a substantial likelihood that the identifier would permit the physical or online contacting of a specific individual; or

    (vii) information that an Internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website collects and combines with an identifier described in clauses (i) through (vi) of this subparagraph.

    (B) INFERENTIAL INFORMATION EXCLUDED- Information about an individual derived or inferred from data collected online but not actually collected online is not personally identifiable information.

    (12) RELEASE- The term `release of personally identifiable information' means the direct or indirect, sharing, selling, renting, or other provision of personally identifiable information of a user of an internet service, online service, or commercial website to any other person other than the user.

    (13) ROBUST NOTICE- The term `robust notice' means actual notice at the point of collection of the personally identifiable information describing briefly and succinctly the intent of the Internet service provider, online service provider, or operator of a commercial website to use or disclose that information for marketing or other purposes.

    (14) SENSITIVE FINANCIAL INFORMATION- The term `sensitive financial information' means--

    (A) the amount of income earned or losses suffered by an individual;

    (B) an individual's account number or balance information for a savings, checking, money market, credit card, brokerage, or other financial services account;

    (C) the access code, security password, or similar mechanism that permits access to an individual's financial services account;

    (D) an individual's insurance policy information, including the existence, premium, face amount, or coverage limits of an insurance policy held by or for the benefit of an individual; or

    (E) an individual's outstanding credit card, debt, or loan obligations.

    (15) SENSITIVE PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION- The term `sensitive personally identifiable information' means personally identifiable information about an individual's--

    (A) individually identifiable health information (as defined in section 164.501 of title 45, Code of Federal Regulations);

    (B) race or ethnicity;

    (C) political party affiliation;

    (D) religious beliefs;

    (E) sexual orientation;

    (F) a Social Security number; or

    (G) sensitive financial information.

    SEC. 402. EFFECTIVE DATE OF TITLE I.

    Title I of this Act takes effect on the day after the date on which the Commission publishes a final rule under section 403.

    SEC. 403. FTC RULEMAKING.

    The Commission shall--

    (1) initiate a rulemaking within 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act for regulations to implement the provisions of title I; and

    (2) complete that rulemaking within 270 days after initiating it.

    SEC. 404. FTC REPORT.

    (a) REPORT- The Commission shall submit a report to the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the House of Representatives Committee on Commerce 18 months after the effective date of title I, and annually thereafter, on--

    (1) whether this Act is accomplishing the purposes for which it was enacted;

    (2) whether technology that protects privacy is being utilized in the marketplace in such a manner as to facilitate administration of and compliance with title I;

    (3) whether additional legislation is required to accomplish those purposes or improve the administrability or effectiveness of this Act;

    (4) whether legislation is appropriate or necessary to regulate the collection, use, and distribution of personally identifiable information collected other than via the Internet;

    (5) whether and how the government might assist industry in developing standard online privacy notices that substantially comply with the requirements of section 102(a);

    (6) whether and how the creation of a set of self-regulatory guidelines established by independent safe harbor organizations and approved by the Commission would facilitate administration of and compliance with title I; and

    (7) whether additional legislation is necessary or appropriate to regulate the collection, use, and disclosure of personally identifiable information collected online before the effective date of title I.

    (b) FTC NOTICE OF INQUIRY- The Commission shall initiate a notice of inquiry within 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act to request comment on the matter described in paragraphs (1) through (7) of subsection (a).

    SEC. 405. DEVELOPMENT OF AUTOMATED PRIVACY CONTROLS.

    Section 20 of the National Institute of Standards and Technology Act (15 U.S.C. 278g-3) is amended--

    (1) by redesignating subsection (d) as subsection (e); and

    (2) by inserting after subsection (c) the following:

    `(d) DEVELOPMENT OF INTERNET PRIVACY PROGRAM- The Institute shall encourage and support the development of one or more computer programs, protocols, or other software, such as the World Wide Web Consortium's P3P program, capable of being installed on computers, or computer networks, with Internet access that would reflect the user's preferences for protecting personally-identifiable or other sensitive, privacy-related information, and automatically execute the program, once activated, without requiring user intervention.'.

    END

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    It may be cold, but at least it's clear.
    1. Re:Full Text of Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh huh... you said "anal poos"...

    2. Re:Full Text of Bill by jo42 · · Score: 1

      I just wanna know, how the fork did the lameness filter let you post that...?

  58. I Want a Law by Puk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want a law making it illegal to mislead people when naming or describing laws. Putting a little spin on law names is one thing, but calling something a "privacy law" when it's really a "no privacy law" or a "loss of privacy law" is just garbage.

    My law, new style, could be called "No False Advertising in Congress". Old style, it could be called, "Misleading People for a Better America" or "Beef Jerky" or something.

    Blah.

    -Puk

  59. The REALLY sad thing is... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2
    ... that government agencies themselves are susceptible to much more stringent privacy laws than corporations. Blockbuster Video can ask for your SSN with ease, but a government agency needs to tell you first exactly what they can (and can't) do with your SSN. An even better example is the USPS. I have yet to see a corporate privacy policy statement that is this stringent:
    "We maintain physical, electronic, and procedural safeguards pursuant to federal regulations to guard your nonpublic personal information. We restrict access to only postal personnel and contracters, who have a need to know the information to provide services to you."
  60. Billy Tauzin Strikes Again! by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

    "The bill has lined up 22 co-sponsors from both sides of the aisle, among them Rep. Billy Tauzin, the Louisiana Republican who chairs the House Energy and Commerce Committee."

    The same Billy Tauzin that's in BellSouth's back pocket and is currently sponsoring a bill to increase the Baby Bells' monopoly powers? YES INDEED!

    I swear this November just can't come soon enough... maybe I should start writing letters to the local papers now...

  61. When you write your congresscritter... by chrisatslashdot · · Score: 1

    NUMBER:
    H.R.4678

    OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
    To protect and enhance consumer privacy, and for other purposes.

    SEE THE BILL HERE:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107: H.R.467 8:

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  62. my thoughts by hether · · Score: 2

    A group of business leaders from high-tech firms said the bill struck the right balance between consumers and businesses

    It would be interesting to know which tech businesses are behind this. That way I can keep a closer eye on my dealings with them.

    As others have said, I don't see how this is a privacy bill. Its best described as an anti-piracy or piracy removal effort.

    And I definitely don't understand why this would make more people use the internet. Unless I misread the intent, this would make people more wary of giving out information for fear that they would accidentally be releasing a company to use their sensitive info in any way they choose.

    And taking away a person's right to sue? I thought that was in the constitution. : )

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  63. Government Itself Has Poor Privacy Record by EvictedHellCitizen · · Score: 1

    Until US citizens become more aware of privacy concerns, not only will businesses abuse information, but the US government itself. According to the ACLU, census data has been abused in the past, used by the government during WW2 to round up citizens of Japanese ancestry. Considering the local political climate of special interest, and the historical use of private information by the US government, it is clear to see how US policy will unfold.

  64. From the article... by jmorse · · Score: 2

    The bill would cover transactions both on the Internet and in the "offline" world, and would override state laws that place more restrictions on commercial use of personal information. Sponsors said the bill would establish basic privacy protections for consumers while minimizing the impact on business.


    ...

    "Consumers would have no right to sue if their privacy was violated. Enforcement would be left in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission, which usually does not impose fines on a first offense.


    Companies submitting to a self-regulatory privacy regime such as TRUSTe or BBBonline would enjoy protection from FTC actions."


    This is absolutely obscene. It overrides more restrictive state laws (so much for Republicans respecting states' rights), removes consumers' right to sue when they are wronged, and protects companies who enroll in TrustE's BS service to escape FTC punishment when they violate the rules. Sounds like those campaign bribes, er, contributions are paying off big.

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  65. Illegal under Free Trade by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    As a dual Canadian/American, born in the USA, I have rights as a Canadian citizen resident in the USA.

    Congress can propose, but they can't gut a treaty - and Free Trade gave Canada and Mexico the right to sue on behalf of their nationals.

    Forcing me to use opt-out when I'm required by the Electronic Privacy Act enacted by Canada in January of 2001 to be given opt-in just won't fly.

    Time to use that birthright of mine, the lawsuit, to shame those who would take my other American birthright, privacy.

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  66. The World Wildlife Foundation has a video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Birds of prey or what? WWF is a trademark since 1968 of the World Wildlife Foundation.

  67. Hardware, Software, Delaware by mangu · · Score: 1

    "Delaware" has the same root as "delete", and means "the state that should be deleted from the US flag" in the Algonquin language.

  68. It is a real insult... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    Imaging a few thousand people standing in a line waiting for their turn to do something to you that you don't like. Say, poking their finger in your eye. You can stop them but you must "opt-out" of the eye poking. Worst yet, you must "opt-out" for each eye poking experience individually. And of course the icing on the cake is that each one of them gets to poke you in the eye at least once before you are allowed to "opt-out."

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  69. Privacy damn well better be default. by 3seas · · Score: 2

    This is total BULL SHIT. Privacy should damn well be a Default thing to respect, unless given written permission by the individual that it is ok to invade ones privacy.

    The reason for this is really very simple.

    I don't want to fucking spend my time and money on having to respond every gawd damn company tellin them NO!

    I'm a long term US citizen, IS that enough to get respect?!!!

  70. Oracle card by n4zgl · · Score: 1

    Remember, you have already *lost* privacy. As an individual you can be mapped. this just helps in a large filtering kind of way.

  71. Copyright your personal info. by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    If we all copyright our personal information and any derivative thereof we will be safe from this 'privacy' legislation.

    Use the DMCA against business.

    If anyone is listening this late in the forum and would be interested in setting up a web portal for posting copyrighted personal info...

    I wonder how that would work? If you publicly post your info and in a copyright format, can a business use it without your permission?

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  72. Doublelick? What doubleclick? by xixax · · Score: 2
    Look what happened to doubleclick...

    I can't, that was the first bogus entry I added to my Squid/DNS. :o)

    If this thing flies, we'll have to populate participant's DBs with spurious and junk data. Just like how I subscribed several pets to Reader's Digest junkmail.

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  73. Make the junk data junk by xixax · · Score: 2

    How will the avoid diluting the quality of the data?

    It would be possible to create interesting correlations by registering the same bogus name across multiple sites, this would be reflected automatically if you generated random details from a set of common tables. I can see Nadine doing a lot of shopping.

    The possibilities are boundless...

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