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Rocket Guy Getting Closer - But No Firm Launch Date

BoomZilla writes "Brian Walker, the self styled "Rocket Guy" is making excellent progress with his one-man booster. Project R.U.S.H. plans to launch Brian in to orbit 'sometime later this year'. Brian's site (http://www.rocketguy.com/rocket.html) has many excellent pictures of the rocket and launch site (his backyard!) under construction. This is certainly the real (if somewhat dangerous) deal." (And Napkin Art? Look here.) Update: 05/29 04:08 GMT by T : Brian Walker dropped a note to point out that his plan is actually for a sub-orbital flight 35 miles up, not Earth orbit.

200 comments

  1. haha by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rocket jumping taken to extremes.

    graspee

    1. Re:haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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  2. Chewing gun by lmfr · · Score: 1

    I hope he won't forget the security device against gas leaks: chewing gun...

    1. Re:Chewing gun by dangermouse · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'm not sure chewing a gun is such a good idea.

      On the other hand, neither is strapping on a tank of high explosives in your backyard.

      Six of one, I suppose.

    2. Re:Chewing gun by EddydaSquige · · Score: 1

      I was trying to come up with where that was from and then I remembered the Rocketeer. Funny Stuff.

    3. Re:Chewing gun by TooTallFourThinking · · Score: 1

      I wonder if people have a sense of humor. chewing gum! now that's funny. And a reference to the Rocketeer, if you remember. ;)

  3. Slashdotted Already! by slasher999 · · Score: 1

    Has "Slashdotted" made it to the dictionary yet?

    1. Re:Slashdotted Already! by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Slashdot: The "Star Wars" of RocketGuy.Com.

    2. Re:Slashdotted Already! by loconet · · Score: 1


      It actually has! .. well somewhat

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    3. Re:Slashdotted Already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's gradually changed in meaning - at first
      it meant "Getting a lot of hits" - now it means
      "Getting so many hits that your server crashes".

  4. Slashdotted 3 minutes after story is posted? by moonbender · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Can't access it. Just me, or is the site slashdotted barely 3 minutes after the story is posted?!
    Oh well, bad pun incoming, he could also use his propellor head to levitate. Heh.

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  5. The First in History.. by Quizme2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    To be added to the Darwin Awards in Real-Time. Maybe we will get streaming video of it too?

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    1. Re:The First in History.. by eclectro · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know what they say --

      A ship poorly built is a raft
      an airplane poorly built is a cart
      a rocket poorly built is a bomb.

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      Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    2. Re:The First in History.. by elgecko · · Score: 1

      There's another possibility...

      If this idiot do manage to reach escape velocity and survive the ascent, but screws up on his calculations, we may very well have the first manned trip to Mars...

      one way.

  6. Got to Have Faith by Cpl+Laque · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This guy must be seriously confident about his abilities. Just one small error in his calculations and he is dead. I can't manually configure X without screwing it up.

    1. Re:Got to Have Faith by rmohr02 · · Score: 1

      Hell, even NASA makes mistakes--they mixed SI and English units on the Mars Pathfinder, and it didn't work.

    2. Re:Got to Have Faith by redcliffe · · Score: 1

      Why is everybody who is doing this automatically labeled an idiot? Provided he takes proper precautions, is very careful, and has enough checking of his work, there is no reason it can't be as safe as the American or Russian space programs.....

    3. Re:Got to Have Faith by sconeu · · Score: 2

      That wasn't the Pathfinder, it was either the Global Surveyor or Climate Orbiter, I can't remember which.

      Pathfinder was the mission with the little robot that went aroudn taking pictures of everything.

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    4. Re:Got to Have Faith by Fyz · · Score: 1

      Well, I haven't seen the site yet either, but let's not forget the kind of firepower you need just to get into suborbit. Escape velocity from Earth is 11,8 km/s and you need at least half that speed to get anywhere near space. Accelerating a guy to mach 6 is serious business, and it's not just the one person- you also need some sort of life support so he doesn't get grilled by friction, doesn't suffocat, doesn't die from decompression, and so on. This isn't exactly a project you can build in your back-yard...

    5. Re:Got to Have Faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      there is no reason it can't be as safe as the American or Russian space programs....

      How many people have the Russian and American space programs killed? Quite a lot really. THAT'S why people say he's an idiot. I'm surprised you can't work this out for yourself.
    6. Re:Got to Have Faith by Fyz · · Score: 1

      Quite a lot? 7 in the Challenger crash 3 in the Apollo fire 3 in the Souyuz accident statistically, space flight is quite safe of course, the reason airliner flight is safe, is because any fool can't go in and fly one..

    7. Re:Got to Have Faith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many people have gone into space and lived? What's the percentage survival rate? It's quite dangerous.

    8. Re:Got to Have Faith by Rubyflame · · Score: 1

      Actually, to reach an elevation of 100km, you need a velocity of exactly 1.40 km/s, assuming gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. Much less than half of escape velocity.

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    9. Re:Got to Have Faith by redcliffe · · Score: 1

      Depends what sort of backyard you have. Provided you have the tools, the experience in using them, and the right knowledge(plus some unmanned test flights) you could do it successfully. Mind you it would take more than just one person, you'd need at least a team of 20 "amateur" engineers.

    10. Re:Got to Have Faith by Fyz · · Score: 1

      Sure, maybe it is dangerous, but a 99.5% survival rate has to be enough not to call it idiocy.

    11. Re:Got to Have Faith by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      All he wants to do is get to 30km up.

      It all depends on his power to weight ratio.
      If it's only a little bit more than 1 ,he's in for a long trip, with lotsa fuel.

      Too much and he'll be in for one hell of a trip.

      If I remember my high school physics (correct me and mod me down please if this is wrong!)

      Eg.
      Mass of 1000kg of rocket + fuel = 1,000,000 grams.

      power to weight ratio of 1.1 =
      Net upwards force of 100kg = approx 1,000,000N thrust.

      From the basic equation,
      Force (newtons) = mass (grams) * acceleration (meters /second )
      this gives :
      Acceleration (meters /second) = force (newtons) / mass (grams)
      = 1,000,000 / 1,000,000
      Resulting in 1m/s upwards acceleration.

      not counting other effects , you can then find out the time to reach 30km :

      s = ut + 1/2 at^2 (u= initial speed, presumably zero)
      30,000 = 0 + 1/2 *1 * T^2
      T^2 = 30,000 / 0.5
      = 244 seconds.

      And what the hell , his velocity at this point is

      V = u + at
      = 0 + 1 m/ss *244 seconds
      = 244m/s
      = 878 km/h

      Then you get the dynamic effects such as friction from the air, which decreases with altitude, but increases with speed and the fact that his vehicle is getting lighter as he burns more fuel. Sure hope he's done his sums right.
      (and he double checks the parachutes)

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    12. Re:Got to Have Faith by rmohr02 · · Score: 1

      I knew it was the Pathfinder or the Global Surveyor (I'm pretty sure it wasn't the Climate Orbiter) and I just guessed--but my point still stands.

    13. Re:Got to Have Faith by Parys · · Score: 1

      Global Surveyor is alive and working well, in tandem with 2001 Mars Odyssey. The loss of the Climate Orbiter was because of the units mixup. The loss of the Polar Lander was determined to be likely due to premature landing rocket shut-off.

  7. Rocket Man... by GMontag · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Brian Walker, the self styled "Rocket Guy" is making excellent progress with his one-man booster.

    ... burning out his fuse out here alone...

    1. Re:Rocket Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one will get it, it's a very often misheard lyric that almost no one understands correctly.

    2. Re:Rocket Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As only William Shatner can do it.

      http://shtick.org/Misc/rocketman.htm

      The video is even funnier. No, actually make that scarier.

    3. Re:Rocket Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shatner, Bowie, what's the difference...

  8. Already /.'ed? by morhoj · · Score: 1

    Anyone have a mirror, Google cache doesn't like the Flash. This actually sounds interesting!

  9. Damn by tulare · · Score: 2

    This guy makes the rest of us look sane by comparison. I've always wanted to go into space, but I'm not sure I'd try it in a BYO machine. Then again, if it does work, imagine what that will do for space travel. I'd predict that a lot of people will try, and a lot will die, but in the end, the big corps will figure out that if some yahoo in Bend can do it on a shoestring, they can do it too - for a profit!
    'Course, his site is /.ed already - in what must be record time.
    Moderators: I've got 50 points. Do your best :)

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    1. Re:Damn by interiot · · Score: 1, Troll
      I'd predict that a lot of people will try, and a lot will die

      Nah, the Republicans will stop us first. If they won't allow us the choice (remember that? Freedom of choice?) to not wear our seatbelts, they sure as hell won't let us blast ourselves into space even if we only pose a risk to ourselves. They'll drown ameteurs in a ton of forms and inspections, and ensure that only the big boys get to do it.

    2. Re:Damn by swaic · · Score: 1

      If this guy succeeds, it'll only be a matter of time before 'some' governments make it illegal to attempt any rocket jumping. With the billions of dollars of equipment flying overhead, I don't think they will allow anyone to get up there. And also, it's actually quite dangerous out there. The last thing we need is some wacko releasing a tube of bolts and BBs out there. Ever see what a small drop of antifreeze will do to a satellite while travelling at Mach 25. (Hint: Wireless service outage)

    3. Re:Damn by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You overestimate the harm of a small amount of space junk. One of the things that is going for us is that there is a lot of space up there, and the space to junk ratio is very high. I seriously doubt that a small amount of shot, the couple kilogram that someone could manage to loft, would cause much damage, there are probably already thousands of kilograms of tiny space junk up there. Cumulative effects of thousands of small launches could be bad though.

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    4. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw, it's the Democrats who try and micromanage your life. Look it up.

      The Republicans might stop it because Boeing doesn't like it....

    5. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the Republicans will do anything ugly while they're in power because they just hate government so when they get in power they try and abuse the hell out of it. The fundamental theory underlying the GOP is might makes right so they take power of the government by any means and abuse it as much as possible to prove their point that it sucks and then honestly believe they're pursuing a moral cause. It's twisted.

    6. Re:Damn by wolf- · · Score: 1

      Naw, the Democrats will be first, with environmentalist claims, or worse, that the Government needs to oversee the private launch sector, or maybe a a new program to help impoverished folks fly also...

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  10. good time by Papa+Legba · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Well he is making pretty good process.

    Frankly if this was me I would still be in the "picking out the liquer to make this seem like a good idea" stage of the development. Not liquer for the conceptual and building part, that would be fun, but for the get into it and ride it part.

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  11. Whether he makes it or blows up.... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I can't help admiring the dedication and courage of this guy, if he actually climbs into that thing and sets it off.

    There are few things as stimulating as such unbridled enthusiasm and resolve. Actual success is of less importance. Every now and then you meet a guy like this, at work or elsewhere, and I count myself lucky every time that happens. Makes my year, it does.

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    If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
  12. google's cache by sheol · · Score: 2, Informative

    gotta love google's cache of the site, if only it cached the images too...

  13. Slashdotted by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wow, that host was really R.U.S.Hed to slashdottedness.

  14. Look to Google's Cache.... by flogger · · Score: 0, Redundant

    If a site is /.ed, don't forget Google Cache.
    Here for the main story.
    And here for the parenthetical article.

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  15. http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.rocketguy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  16. Cojones, maybe, but what else has he got? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Like everyone else, I can't reach the site now. But I'm pretty certain this is the same idiot who's been working on his single-stage hydrogen peroxide ticket to oblivion for a couple years now, right?

    He's crazy.

    Unless things have changed hugely in the last year, and that seems to be precluded by the expectation of launching later this year, he's just another idiot without much clue - but enough money to make a real big mess. Don't take it from me. This guy comes up as a topic of discussion in rec.models.rockets a couple times a year. The wonderful thing about the discussion there is that everyone has some idea of what it's like to fly rockets, and some of them really are rocket scientists (and aerodynamicists, and airframe designers, and so on) in real life.

    G'wan, get off your lazy slahdottie behind and Google for it. Dare ya!

  17. Google's cache by reparteeist · · Score: 1, Informative

    Since it's already slashdotted, you can view Google's cache here

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  18. the site has been /.ed already!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have found a mirror.

    1. Re:the site has been /.ed already!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh man, that's great. Thank's for brightening up my day.

  19. Rocketry and the law by rat7307 · · Score: 1

    seeing as though the site has be /.'ed, can anyone tell me what steers the rocket, coz I saw on a discovery channel that it's against the law for civilans to launch a guided rocket system.... can only be like a model rocket with no programmable trajectory

    Is this correct??

    Whats the difference between a rocket and a guided missile except the payload???

    Or is he planning the first 110 pount meat missile????

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    1. Re:Rocketry and the law by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      Um, if he's going to be on it, I'd figure he'd steer it.

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    2. Re:Rocketry and the law by tulare · · Score: 2
      it's against the law for civilans to launch a guided rocket system....
      Actually, what he's planning probably won't qualify. Reason is, at least according to his site, he plans to just launch straight up into the sky. Not guided - just straight up (and straight down!). IANAL, but it seems to me that the guided provision was intended to avoid shooting at things. Since this guy is simply shooting at the sky or, perhaps more colliqually correctly, the moon (which at 30 miles launch height, he has slim chance of hitting), he is probably out of that particular bit of hot water. On the other hand, he is certainly going to fall under a few other jurisdictions, which may or may not attempt to prevent him from comitting suicide in this rather spectacular manner.
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    3. Re:Rocketry and the law by geogeek6_7 · · Score: 1

      He's not in the US, I don't think. US laws won't be a problem.

    4. Re:Rocketry and the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he's fine on that for two reasons: First, he's going to be IN the rocket. So even with whatever automatic controls he has (and there will be a ton, no human has fast enough reflexes to keep the thing going up), the law will look the other way.

      Also, guidance IS legal if it's used only as a method of keeping the rocket vertical; people use gyroscopes and steerable fins all the time in model rockets to keep them going up. If you program it to hit another point on the ground, or go anywhere BUT up, yer in for a talking-to by big men in black suits. The reason for this is exactly what you said; if you can guide the rocket, there really isn't any difference between it and a guided missile.

    5. Re:Rocketry and the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is absolutely false. While the legal situation for any rocketry is complicated, it is not illegal for private citizens to design, build, or even fly guided rocket vehicles, provided that they don't export it and have complied with all of the applicable regulations. Since it's a flight vehicle, the applicable regulatory agency is the FAA, and specifically the Associate Administrator for Space Transport (AST). I think they'll turn down his license and/or waiver requests, due to various problems with his designs, but that's different from it being outright illegal.

  20. Future /. headline by NickRob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Future /. headline:

    Rocket Guy shot down by 'Star Wars' Missle Defense system.

    1. Re:Future /. headline by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

      All kidding aside but when the russians detect his launch they'd better know who he is and what he is doing.

    2. Re:Future /. headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what the hell could they possibly do if they thought we were shooting at them? Shoot back? Uh huh... This isn't 1980 anymore dude.

    3. Re:Future /. headline by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      when the russians detect his launch they'd better know who he is and what he is doing.

      "What is blip?"
      "Must be Moose and Squirrel. And flames."

    4. Re:Future /. headline by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

      actually thats exactly it shoot back. Dont tell me you believe those national missile defence fairy tales, russian nukes dont have little homing devices on them.

    5. Re:Future /. headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's going straing up and down 30 miles. That won't worry the Russians.

    6. Re:Future /. headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr Edmund Blackadder, I'm afraid nobody understands what you said... Except maybe the Russians.

  21. Slashdotted by YahoKa · · Score: 0

    Shalshdot has a feirce grip that can bring servers to their knees begging for more power, bandwidth and better server software in jsut a few seconds :o Cruel if you ask me :(

  22. Ashes to ashes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... funk to funky. We know Major Tom's a junkie.

  23. Chewing GUM. G-U-M, gum. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Yeah, chewing on guns is a great idea. Why don't you do the gene pool a favor and try it?

    Oh, how I wish there was a "-1, Fuckwit" moderation option.

  24. What is he doing for safety? by Kelerain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The site is /.ed right now, but I'd like to know what hes doing for safety systems. Will he have other people check over his work, calculations, manufacturing etc?
    I would think NASA would be happy to lend a hand in that department, because if this goes wrong it could mean some seriously bad PR for any space related agencies. But there is great potential to reignite (no pun intended, really) interest in space, if common people can make it to space. I wish this guy the best of luck..

  25. R.U.S.H.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    R.U.S.H.? More like B.O.O.M

    1. Re:R.U.S.H.? by paganizer · · Score: 1

      Gotta be a canadian. Will hopefully be playing "Fly By Night" when he goes up. This guys has a great idea, btw. Now all he has to do is put it on a extreme altitude balloon before he lights it off.

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    2. Re:R.U.S.H.? by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2

      In celebration of the new album being released, he will be playing "Vapor Trails".

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  26. Just be sure... by jonman_d · · Score: 1

    not to slashdot his computers while he's actually in space. We wouldn't want a systems crash to cause him to crash, would we?

    1. Re:Just be sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that would be a pretty awesome claim to fame though.

      "slashdot readers cause death of crazy man"

      would there be any legal repurcussions from that?

  27. perfect /. quote by Hagakure · · Score: 2, Funny

    "You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd."

    now appearing at the bottom of my page..

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    If this is Heaven I'm bailin out! I cant tolerate this ol tin-tub, so fulla trash and rats...
  28. Not the first amateur astronaut... by Guppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to legend, sometime around 1500 AD, a Chinese official named Wan Hu constructed a chair, to which numerous rockets were attached. With this device, Wan Hu intended to ascend to Heaven.

    When the rockets were ignited, there was a tremendous flash of flame and thunder. After the smoke cleared, Wan Hu was never seen again, which I suppose means he must have made it. :)

    1. Re:Not the first amateur astronaut... by GigsVT · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Wow, the chinese invented the lawn chair stunt

      This just goes to show how biased american reports are, trying to make it out like the US invented everything. First the TV and now this.

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    2. Re:Not the first amateur astronaut... by Swixster · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It exploded and he died. Call me pestimistic but....ummm....geee...good luck.

    3. Re:Not the first amateur astronaut... by Uberminky · · Score: 1, Redundant

      And thus, as the parent poster says, he made it. ;)

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    4. Re:Not the first amateur astronaut... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus propelling him straight to Heaven, which was the thrust of the original poster's jest.

  29. Haaaaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terrorism! TERRORISM! T-E-R-R-O-R-I-S-M! Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Let the eagle soar!!!!!!!11

  30. Related stuff by Screaming+Lunatic · · Score: 2

    Check out http://www.armadilloaerospace.com. They're also trying to get manned rockets up in space. It's being worked on by a group of people including John Carmack.(Of Doom/Quake/Wolfenstein fame if you are the one person on earth that didnt't know)

    1. Re:Related stuff by er0ck · · Score: 1

      From the material reactivity testing video, it doesn't look like there will be a business class section on their rockets any time soon (peroxide + leather = FIRE!)

  31. Not going into orbit by mikosullivan · · Score: 5, Informative
    He's not planning on going into orbit, or even into space. From his page (Google cached version):
    The goal is to go straight up 30 miles. There are no plans for orbit, just to set the altitude record for a private citizen.
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    1. Re:Not going into orbit by Popocatepetl · · Score: 1

      "Space" and the associated term "space environment" are used to mean various things, but we can define "space" (or "outer space") as beginning above the troposphere (altitude 10 km) and the environment of that region as the "space environment."
      - from http://spaceboy.nasda.go.jp/qanda/qanda_e/qspaceen v_e.html

  32. again by octane097 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Teh Slashdot Effect

  33. Does he have to ask NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the NASA heavies come around and break his kneecaps if he doesn't get permission?

  34. wait a minute ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't get much of the site but according to his gif dramatization of the event, he plans to drop the booster rockets sometime during the ascent. Any volunteers for catching those things as they come hurtling back without parachutes?

  35. NASA? What about the FAA? by JordanH · · Score: 3, Interesting
    • Will the NASA heavies come around and break his kneecaps if he doesn't get permission?

    NASA? Doesn't he need permission from the FAA to do this? Manned flight, makes him a pilot, right? He'll need to be licensed and his vehicle will need to be approved or he'll need certification as an experimental aircraft, right?

    I couldn't find any mention of his getting this cleared with the FAA on the cached website page.

    Is there some exception that this guy is using, or do I not understand the FAA regulations? Admittedly, I've not studied them at all...

  36. robustness by Mr2cents · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I sure hope his rocket is a bit more robust than his website..

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  37. I hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... he doesn't crash as hard as his website just did.

  38. He mentioned this a while back by ColGraff · · Score: 2

    In some interview I read - don't know which, might have been space.com or wired - the Rocket Guy said that if he couldn't launch legally in the US, he'd just move the entire rig and launch from Mexico, or some more friendly country.

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  39. Rocket Guy by ClimberTech · · Score: 1

    This can't be legal... aren't there some laws about civilians launching themselves (or objects) miles into the sky?

    1. Re:Rocket Guy by terrymr · · Score: 3, Informative

      FAR 101 (Federal aviation regulations) regulates what can be launched in the world of unmanned rockets - I'm not really sure what section covers manned rockets as I'm not crazy enough to sit on anything I build - I believe there is now a separate commercial space launch agency which deals with any kind of private space shot. Our local club routinely has clearance up to 11,500 feet above ground level and higher clearances are given to launches in more remote areas.

  40. Old News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did this last week with a JATO rocket in my Saturn SL.
    Yah just gotta love plastic cars with airbags.

    I never would have made it in my Ford Granada.

  41. I doubt theres laws aginst this by Huogo · · Score: 1

    There probably arn't any laws aginst this because no one else is stupid enough to try it. You can bet that there will be some new laws that say you can't hurl yourself 30 miles into the sky on a rocket without government permission.

  42. Re:▓▓q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey, look, it's Trollitime. Hello Trolltime!

  43. I'm not going to bother by dmomo · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to check out the pics, but do I even need to TRY and see if the site has been Slashdotted? I guess I will browse through here for a mirror first, so I won't contribute to the problem!

  44. Hmmm by quantaman · · Score: 1

    I hope this guys rocket is a little more reliable than his web server! Than again, I don't think his rockets is going to have to take the battering that his website just did.

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  45. Cynicism... by Warin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Y'know...the cynicism of people... it amazes me...

    Yeah, this guy is a bit of a nut. I cant disagree with that. But as loony as this is, he has a dream and he is going to make it happen.

    Maybe instead of derision being aimed at this guy, we should all be praying that he succeeds. I for one would love a chance to do something like this, but if we wait for NASA and/or other government agencies to make it a reality I cant see it happening in my lifetime. Unless of course you have enough money to get tthe Russians to take you. Guys like this, and all the folks working on winning the X Prize are pioneers... and deserve more that the ridicule they get from the folks around here.

    Laugh at him if you will, but what is the last daring thing you did to realize a lifelong dream? Hmmm?

    1. Re:Cynicism... by terrymr · · Score: 2

      yeah - how many people laughed at the multitude of people who wanted to fly around the world in hot air balloons ??? I don't remember anybody dying while attempting it.

    2. Re:Cynicism... by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I really hate growing old. The first thing I saw when I read the blurb was that the guy was a nut. But you're right, no matter if he lives or dies this guy's a true hero. Almost everyone makes one compramise after another as we grow up, until even the most cherished of dreams becomes forgotten in a life of mediocrity and slavery to a time clock.

      This reminds me in a way of the upright citizens brigade. There was a classic episode where a guy who was the manager of a coffie shop relised just how he'd let his dreams of making it to space fall away. In the end he died, eaten by an alligater after his jetpack didn't have enough thrust, but it seemed like he was living more in the time he spent in training than he ever had before. That was inspiring, and it's really a shame I actually see it happening for real, with a good chance for success, and I wasn't inspired at all.

      Thanks for the wake up call!

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    3. Re:Cynicism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Start a short term drug habit, try some new sex scene with the wife, or get a new wife. There's no reason to get so burnt out on life.
      It's noteworthy that it's somehow acceptable to waste enormous time and resources building what is potentially a suicide machine to break the monotony of everyday experience, but taking a bit of Coke or Speed or LSD is some kind of major attrocity that makes you a menace to society.

  46. Not planning to orbit by markov_chain · · Score: 2, Informative
    From his page:
    THE ROCKET GUY PLAN:

    It may be a technical dream but he's just crazy enough to push that button.

    The goal is to go straight up 30 miles. There are no plans for orbit, just to set the altitude record for a private citizen. Orbit requires going at least 170 miles up and going 17,000 MPH around the earth. Lots of up and lots of sideways. Going up to a straight up to a stop and dropping back down is different.

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  47. Behind Schedule... by DickPhallus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rocket Guy Getting Closer - But No Firm Launch Date

    Well no wonder, every time he makes progress, we go and slashdot his site, so he has to redirect all his funds to bandwidth bills.

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  49. Brin wrote a story about this.. by VisMono · · Score: 2, Interesting

    David Brin wrote a short story several years back on this subject. In it he had a private citizen building a rocket and launching himself into space despite the best efforts of environmentalist, etc to stop him. The rocket malfunctions and drops him into the ocean on the other side of the planet where he ends up staying with a bunch of uplifted dolphins for a few months. Excellent story, might be called "Rocket Man" or something obvious like that but I'm not sure. I'd love to find that story again.

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    1. Re:Brin wrote a story about this.. by SWPadnos · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmm.

      I remember a story almost exactly like this, but the rocket wasn't a home-brew. Basically, people would pay to get launched into sub-orbit, then they would parachute back down. This guy's rocket didn't eject him, or the parachute wouldn't deploy correctly or something, so the "thrills company" couldn't pick him up. He was befriended by the smart dolphins, and the rest is history...

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  50. Also the inventor of other stupid ideas by stackdump · · Score: 1

    http://web.archive.org/web/20011031200447/www.rock etguy.com/toys/light_chaser.html

  51. What the Hell?!?! by deuist · · Score: 0

    This made it as news? Well, just to let everyone know, I plan on graduating college some time in a year. No plans yet, but I'll post some photos of me trying on a graduation robe.

  52. Safety? by Bilbo · · Score: 2
    Can't get to his site, but I'm wondering, just how big is this guy's "backyard"? Knowing the likelyhood of large rockets to suddenly go BOOM, what sort of safety protocols does he have in place to make sure he doesn't accidentally take out an entire neighborhood?

    (Of course, if he's got enough money to build a private rocket, I'm guessing he doesn't live in a typical 'burb, but most test ranges are built with many miles between them and the closest civilian areas, or they launch out over an ocean, so the rocket can safely be ditched if something goes wrong.)

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    1. Re:Safety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's launching in the desert.

    2. Re:Safety? by (H)elix1 · · Score: 1

      I doubt the FAA will let him launch on US soil. (slashdotted, but I'm assuming he is a yank) I'm going to bet they launch a few miles outside international boarders in the water.

    3. Re:Safety? by dirkdidit · · Score: 1
      Brian's site (http://www.rocketguy.com/rocket.html) has many excellent pictures of the rocket and launch site (his backyard!) under construction

      So I guess that means that he is planning to launch the rocket from his backyard, which if launched from US soil would probably be somewhat illegal.
    4. Re:Safety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a tad ambiguous. It might mean that he's building the launch pad in his backyard to be later transported to the launch area.

    5. Re:Safety? by thogard · · Score: 1

      If its a rocket, its NASA's jurisdiction and they aren't going to touch this. Of course that won't stop the FAA from busting the guy unless he follow their procedures. Too bad they don't have enough procedures for this sort of thing. If he refuses to follow their procedures he will end up with a big fine from them but they are powerless to stop him. He could get busted from endangering the lives of others but thats a hard thing to do before he lights the fuse.

    6. Re:Safety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think there is an issue with un-manned rockets....

  53. Slashdotted by rblancarte · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Can't keep his web site up and running and expects to be able to launch a rocket into space?!?!? Yea right.

    RonB

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  54. wait a minute... by Supergrass · · Score: 1

    What about all those space tourists that have been going up lately? Those are private citizens...

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    1. Re:wait a minute... by southpolesammy · · Score: 1

      I think they mean a private citizen piloting his own craft to that altitude, not being a passenger.

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  55. don't post links to small sites by rigelstar · · Score: 0

    Don't link to small web servers. Make those who really are interested have to search for the site. That way the site will have at least a chance of staying up.

  56. Re: "Space" and "space environment" by rjkimble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you may want to reconsider calling 10 km the threshold to outer space. By that definition, anybody who has ever flown across the country is an astronaut. 10 km is roughly 33,000 feet after all. Hell, folks who have climbed to the top of Mount Everest would nearly qualify by that yardstick.

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  57. Well, since his site is slashdotted... by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 2

    I suggest you all check back here at a later date to check up on his progress.

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  58. Up & Down by IamLarryboy · · Score: 1

    The rocket guy may be going up...but his server has gone way down!

  59. Hey, hey Mockingbird girl... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will be the next story on slashdot.

  60. I dont think he is doing enough testing by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    if i were him i would send the rocket up with a dead weight in it before going there my self.

    1. Re:I dont think he is doing enough testing by dangermouse · · Score: 1

      There's a fair chance he will be sending it up with a dead weight in it.

    2. Re:I dont think he is doing enough testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would destroy the rocket, though, unless he has it programmed to land softly. Since his goal is just to shoot it up 30 miles and let it come down, he most likely doesn't have the time nor the inclination to build TWO rockets. Besides, I think he realizes that it's a suicide mission.

    3. Re:I dont think he is doing enough testing by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      There's a fair chance HE will be the dead weight.

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    4. Re:I dont think he is doing enough testing by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

      "Besides, I think he realizes that it's a suicide mission. "

      i dont think so, in fact he is planning to arrange for a gang of hooter girls to wait for him on the ground. If it was a suicide mission he'd have the hooter girls before hand.

  61. Things i didn't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretzels are not good to use in potato salad
    pretzels can be microwaved to regain crispness
    preztels are not grown on trees

  62. project R.U.S.H ? wuts that stand for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wuts that stand for

    ReallyUnreliableShitHeep

  63. Re:NASA? What about the FAA? by Papineau · · Score: 2

    It makes him not only a pilot, but also the owner (and launcher) of an object which could (depending on commercial flight routes in his area) end up near a commercial (or private) plane. Or be mistaken for a missile, and acted upon accordingly by the US military.

    I know there are some rules you must observe if you wish to launch a model rocket. Some guys at my Uni were (are still probably) designing a small rocket able to reach a couple kilometers high (not manned, very small payload). They can't just launch it from anywhere: for one of their latest tests, they had to take it to a military base nearly 10 hours away to be able to do it legally.

    If you don't get clearance beforehand, you will have some serious problems if it is to reach a couple kilometers high and be detected by military (or civilian) radars. Of course, thi is assuming the guy survives the launch and the flight...

  64. You .sig by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 1

    The actual Adams Quote is: 'I love deadlines, especially the whooshing sound they make as they go by.' Just FYI

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  65. Hes got a test program now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the google cache of http::/www.rocketguy.com/rocket/032702_status.html

    It was also decided that before completing the full size rocket, I would build one that would be roughly half the physical size, but carry only 1/20th the fuel load. This rocket would allow me to test a number of my own special features, such as the pneumatic catapult system, the separating fins, the soft-landing retro rockets, etc. The test rocket is designed to accelerate to 30 miles an hour by the time it has left the 9 foot tall air catapult, and it's 2500 pound thrust motor would further accelerate it as it consumes 30 gallons of fuel in 14 seconds. The capsule portion is large enough to supporting me in full skydiving gear, and upon reaching it's apogee of around 15,000 feet, I will pop the door, and skydive from it. The rocket will descend under it's own parachute. I intend three test launches with a weighted capsule before I ascend in it.

    As for the FAA, last time this was posted, he was in the process of getting approval from them and the launch site was the Alvord Desert in South East Oregon.

  66. Assuming he gets 30 miles up... by alchemist68 · · Score: 0

    I hope he has some kind of environmental suit with OXYGEN because there certainly isn't enough up there to survive even in free fall at 30 miles altitude. Why stop at 30 miles? He should go 90 miles up, now THAT would be ONE HELL OF A VIEW. WANNA TAKE A RIDE?...

    1. Re:Assuming he gets 30 miles up... by spike+hay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He has bought a Russian pressure suit. As for engine failure, he is buying commercial peroxide rockets, which are very reliable due to their monoproppelent simplicity. The rocket is very unlikely to fail.

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  67. Project Rush ???? by terrymr · · Score: 2

    "Attention all planets ...."

  68. Hoax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still not convinced this isn't a hoax. If, however, it is for real, I wish him the best of luck.

  69. Illegal anyone? by hostage89 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am sure that someone has said this already... but this has go to be illegal. I mean you need a license to pilot an aircraft over U.S. territory why not one for this. Anybody want to explain this to me?

    1. Re:Illegal anyone? by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      You need clearance from your countries aviation authority before you do things like this, for all the obvious reasons, like launching into the underside of a 747 flying over and such.

      The shuttle is acutally designated as "experimental" under the US's FAA rules.
      In fact, if you've got a shot of one of them, the words "experimental" are usually near the cockpit underneath the shuttle name. Not a reasurring sight for astronauts, I'm sure ;-)

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  70. Single for sure! by Billnvd65 · · Score: 1

    Well, I read the google cache and can't find any details, but there are three very obvious points to be made here. 1. This individual has read Dave Barrys' Guide to Guys one too many times. 2. He FULLY qualifies as a "Guy". 3. He is clearly not married. Bill

  71. Winnar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no text here.

    1. Re:Winnar! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no text here.

      Yes there is.

  72. Re: "Space" and "space environment" by spike+hay · · Score: 2

    The usual boundary for space is 50 miles, just below minimum low earth orbit. Other than regular rockets, only the X-15 Rocket Plane has reached this height.

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  73. For comparison.... by Mulletproof · · Score: 2, Informative

    The highest balloon flights attempted...

    1961 -- Current Official Altitude Record Set: Commander Malcolm Ross and Lieutenant Commander Victor A. Prather of the U.S. Navy ascend to 113,739.9 feet (just over 20 miles) in 'Lee Lewis Memorial,' a polyethylene balloon.

    1958 -- Project Manhigh, Major Simons takes his balloon to an altitude of 101,516 feet.

    I wish this guy good luck. I'll be impressed if he launches, more impressed if he returns in one piece, but let him orbit the Earth a few times before calling him an astronaut. Hmmm... I know Mr. Chuck Yeager wouldn't be too happy with that comment.

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  74. Not possible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tip O'Neil and Teddy Kennedy both turned him down when he asked them to volunteer.

  75. Typo in the story by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny
    Project R.U.S.H. plans to launch Brian in to orbit 'sometime later this year'


    "launch" should read "blow"
    "orbit" should read "smithereens"

    1. Re:Typo in the story by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      WTF is a smithereen anyway? I mean yeah I have heard the expression many times- but anyone care to enlighten me on the word? Anyway the idea is not so far from the personal-jet-plane. Which in my opinion was total suicide.

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    2. Re:Typo in the story by modecx · · Score: 1

      I was just reading this older article and thought I may be the source of your enlightenemnt. According to everything2, a smither is a light fine rain. So, being blown to smitherenes would require enough explosive to (in essence) turn a body into a light fine rain or mist of body parts; kinda like the guy in Saving Private Ryan who mis-timed putting that sticky bomb on the tank sprocket.

      Yummy.

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  76. Ouch by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    He's not going that high. Yeah there's junk, but he's not going high enough. But then, I don't know the altitude all that crap resides. That, and NASA has NORAD to track that crap. Somehow, all I think his budget allows for is a forcast from The Weather Channel.

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  77. Re:NASA? What about the FAA? by terrymr · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm gonna have to call BS on the taking it to a military base - our local club has a regular clearance up to 11,500 ft above ground level - that's about 3.5km without any inspections at military bases.

  78. Barking up the wrong tree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rockets are NOT the right tool for this. Men have gone into space WITHOUT rockets OR planes!

    http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/coldwar/p e. htm

    You can argue about what 'space' means, tell you what, you climb into one of these things and you tell me! *I* would be ECSTATIC to climb into one of these, and I'm sure it would be cheaper, safer, and take less training and fitness to use it (not much G force to talk about)

  79. It's unstable by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative
    The "exhaust in the nose, stabilize by gravity" approach doesn't work. Tailfins work in atmosphere, and active stabilization works, but putting the exhaust in the nose, pointing rearward, does not impart any stability. When the rocket tilts, the thust angle goes with it.

    Goddard tried that in his first model. "In his earliest rockets, he placed the engine at the top of the vehicle and the fuel tanks below. However, he soon found that this "nose drive" arrangement was too unstable, so he placed the motor at the bottom, as in all modern rockets."

    More specifically, Goddard's 1926 rocket (Goddard 1) reached an altitude of 41 feet. (Not 41,000 feet, forty-one feet.) It was really just an engine test vehicle. Goddard 2 was the same design, 20x bigger, and was a failure. Goddard 3 caught in the launch tower a few times, and finally flew 205 feet. Goddard 4 reached 2000 feet. Goddard 4 used various control systems; remote control was tried, then eight gyro-controlled vanes. Goddard A made short flights without a control system, then 1000 feet up (but 11000 feet horizontally - oops) with a pendulum-controlled stabilizer that didn't work very well.

    Once Goddard got gyro-controlled stabilization working, things got much better. Goddard A reached 4800 feet, then 7500 feet. WWII interrupted further experimentation.

    The German V-2 was actively stabilized with gyro controlled vanes in the exhaust. Those big tailfins didn't do the whole job. Since then, rockets have dispensed with the fins and relied entirely on the control system.

    Rocket Guy has to have been told this by now. He must be in denial about the stability problem.

    1. Re:It's unstable by AlecC · · Score: 1

      Why do you think it has exhust in nose? The animation shows a perfectly conventional 2-stage exhaust-in-base system. Obviously the exhausts of the second stage are above the top of the first stage, but they arene't used until the first stage is jestisonned - just like most other rockets. It seems to do some curious antics during re-entry as it uses several stages of parachute - but these are merely uncomfortable.

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    2. Re:It's unstable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think either an earlier model or some other rocket guy (can't remember which) used the engine in the nose system. This rocket definitely isn't using it, but I do remember something about a amateur manned rocket using it on Slashdot awhile back. Ah, I found an MPEG of his previous design from a comment in the earlier article.

      I agree about the parachute. Is there any need for it to be so complex? It'd be sad if he gets up there safely only to have one of his three dozen chute stages fail.

    3. Re:It's unstable by Animats · · Score: 2

      Looks like he fixed it. His current solution is big fins. Whether that will be enough for the altitude he's trying for isn't clear. Fins tend keep you going in the direction you're going, but don't correct any error.

  80. I was worried about him last year, so I wrote... by Syre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's some correspondance I exchanged with the RocketGuy last year. I was a bit harsh with him, but I was really concerned that he'd show up in the Darwin Awards:

    To:
    Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:57 AM
    Subject: WWW:Rocket Guy Site Feedback

    Message: Are you going to do an unmanned test flight (or several) before you launch yourself in this rocket?

    If not, I suggest you go to space.com and look at the videos under their "launches" section. You will see many rockets exploding and crashing.

    If you launch yourself without doing unmanned test flights, it must be concluded that you are either an idiot or suicidal.

    I hope that neither is the case and that you do the test flights and insure that you are not remembered as a fool.

    Best wishes.

    ========
    And his reply:
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    From Brian Walker Fri Oct 12 08:10:26 2001
    From: "Brian Walker"
    Subject: Re: WWW:Rocket Guy Site Feedback
    Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:10:26 -0700

    Yes, I will be conducting unmanned launches. The first will be is a smaller rocket 12 foot high, 320 pounds fuel,gross weight about 4000 pounds). It will demonstarte the separating fins and air launch system.

    No, I am neither an idiot of suicidal.

    Thanks for the message and concern.

  81. I wish this guy luck whenever he does.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..strap himself in.

    At best, it'll prove that it doesn't take government funding and metric/empirical gaffes to get up a good distance.

    At worst, we'll get to see one hell of a fireworks display.

  82. Try the Wayback Machine by ouija147 · · Score: 1

    Try the Internet Wayback machine. This is an archive of the Internet. Great site.

    Wayback...Surf the Web as it was.

    RocketGuy

    No pictures but all the text is there from their last update on January 25, 2002

  83. He wouldn't get a darwin award by OO7david · · Score: 2

    Think about it, DAs are given to people who prove themselves to be the weakest losing out letting the strongest survive. This guy put a lot of thought and care into this; he did not blindly build a rocket. If he dies it won't be because of stupidity, rather miscalculation--something we all make daily.

    1. Re:He wouldn't get a darwin award by guybarr · · Score: 1


      putting yourself in a situation where every single bug may kill you, NEEDLESSLY, is sheer stupidity in my book.

      a smart person avoids what a clever person may barely escape.

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    2. Re:He wouldn't get a darwin award by AlecC · · Score: 1

      "putting yourself in a situation where every single bug may kill you, NEEDLESSLY, is sheer stupidity in my book."

      So that Columbus guw was pretty stupid, wasn't he? He could have stayed at home and been quite safe. And those astronauts on the Challenger? If they has not bothered, they would be safe at home now.

      Ther is a BIG difference between a carefully calculated risk and straight stupidity. Anyone is entitled to take up dangerous sports if that is what they want - how many people get killed skiing every year? Darwin Awards are for people who take risks because they haven't thought things through, where there are alternatives which will achieve the same end result at far less risk, or the basic idea was stupid anyway.

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  84. A parachute? by El+Spamo · · Score: 1

    Assuming he survives the violent explosion of a shoddily made backyard rocket. Stupid /. effect has prevented me from reading the article, but I would assume he would wear a parachute for that off chance he's thrown clear of the firey blast.

    There's probably no way that NASA would lend a hand. Think of the liability that they would be taking on. They'd be advising a citizen on how to build dangerous and potentially lethal device. The rocket man's family could probably start spending the civil suit money already.

  85. Family values by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is interesting, I think, that he is committing suicide so soon after meeting and getting engaged to this woman he seems to love so much. A shame, but I do wish him luck.

  86. Re:NASA? What about the FAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there some exception that this guy is using, or do I not understand the FAA regulations? Admittedly, I've not studied them at all...

    you wouldn't be the first person on /.

  87. Someone Did Something Just as Crazy... by Chasing+Amy · · Score: 2

    I'm impressed at this effort. I have to admire anyone who has a dream and just does it, danger be damned. But read this--I'm surprised nobody mentioned it yet:

    http://www.snopes2.com/spoons/noose/balloon.htm

    Granted, a weather-balloon-covered-lawnchair doesn't have the same geek appeal and doesn't require the same technical expertise and long hours of work as a rocket, but still--this guy had a dream, he did it, he got a lot more than he bargained for, and people still read about him 20 years after his feat.

    You've got to be impressed, in some manner or another...

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  88. The countdown begins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5...4...3...2...1...

    Slashdotted!

  89. Darth ObitMan by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    "Mister" as in "retired" you tard. Sorry, but I don't go around calling everybody by their military rank. And I whole-heartedly agree, the man is a pioneer and deserves respect for it. He probably would get a kick out of this project.

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  90. I don't think he will kill himself. by term8or · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've had a look at his site. Believe it or not, he's done a lot of work including:

    1. Unmanned test flights
    2. Safety reviews
    3. Actually talking with govt. agencies.


    It is easy to be negative, but I don't believe the guy is going to ride a rocket until he is d*mn sure he'll come down again in one piece. A lot of nay-sayers said that we'd never fly. A lot of people don't even believe we got to the moon.
    Neither is he even going into space. He is going 30 miles up, using a far less explosive fuel than normal rockets. And before he gets in, you can be sure that he'll already have done enough test flights to be sure he'll get out in one piece.
    All in all, I believe that if he does the flight, he is relatively likely (75%+) to survive.

    No progress has been without risk, but I believe that he is unlikely to kill himself. And if he does, it is his life he risks - no one else's. He is doing the right thing.

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  91. How many people have really checked out the site? by AlecC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many of the people reading this havce really checked out the guys site? He has done a *lot* of planning, and is in touch with a lot of people who know what they are doing - e.g. he has done some Cosmonaut training in Russia. Most of the critics seem to have jumped to the conclusion that this guy is a lone nutter in a back yard. He isn't.

    He is trying to do less that than the Gemini missiona in the early '60s. Admittedly, thosw were powered by great lumps of Government money. But 40 years of rocket and control system technology, modelling systems etc. will help enormously. I don't reall see this as more risky than those early NASA launches, as narrated in "The Right Stuff" - and probably quite a bit less. I would give him good odds of succeeding.

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  92. Straighten your legs! by _14k4 · · Score: 1

    I hope he straightened his legs like his instructor was telling him to do. ;)

    http://www.rocketguy.com/rocket/skydive.jpg

  93. Re:NASA? What about the FAA? by Papineau · · Score: 1

    Different juridictions: you're in Washington state (so in the US), they (and I) are in Canada. They drove from Sherbrooke (Québec) to the military base of Gagetown (New-Brunswick) for a launch, which is about 10 hours.

  94. Umm.... by Azureash · · Score: 0

    I don't mean to be difficult, but isn't it extremely cold at 30 miles up? Since one of his return options is to eject with a parachute, I think this sheds some light on the kind of "preparation" going on here. Nevermind the lack of oxygen and air pressure (which will make his parachute useless,) if this guy makes it to 30 miles, he's gonna wish he was on fire.

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  95. Re:Permits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knowing how my neighbors complain about my grass if one blade is over 6" or my securely fenced in dog barks at an uncollared, free-roaming neighborhood dog, I'm curious about why sort of ruckus an early morning launch might cause in his neighborhood? Even with several acres of lot space, a rock launch within a quarter mile of someone's home probably wouldn't be appreciated.

    More power to him, but I suspect that as this launch gets closer, he'll be shutdown by his local authorities about "unauthorized activities" on his property or some such technicality...

  96. Re:I was worried about him last year, so I wrote.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy has spent years researching, building and testing this idea and you thought you knew better than him?

    That's not being a bit harsh, that's being arogant.

  97. Re:Project Rush ???? (+ factoid) by r_barchetta · · Score: 1

    In general the song "Countdown" is pretty appropriate too.

    Random Rush fact (that I honestly just discovered): in 1973 Neil P. was given a government grant to build a self-powered flying machine. He shelved the project (I'm guessing because he joined the band) and returned the grant a year later.

    -r

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  98. Re:taking risks as an amature. by guybarr · · Score: 1

    I've been in the army, I know about risks.
    you can take risks as an amature, or as a professional (even a novice pro.)

    columbus did something nobody ever did before, and did it as a pro; with heavy financial backers and as part of a large (in his time's scale) team, with technical dificulties at the scale of those times (for this he justfully entered history)

    what this guy tries to do is much more complex than trying to build a 14-th century galeon (with 14-th century tools and knowhow) by himself.

    why ? QA of complex systems costs expert work-time, a lot of work-time. in non-critical software (such as linux OS at its begining) this is less of a problem: you recompile, and reinstall from backup. But in critical-mission projects QA is the most expensive portion of the work, by far.
    (read feynman's book about chalenger to get the scale of NASA's QA processes)

    one man alone cannot invest that much resources even if he's as smart as all the nobel-prize winners together.

    so columbus was a dreamer, which used appropriate tools in appropriate scale for a job never done before. This guy uses the wrong tools at the wrong scale for his job, and risks his life (perhaps more lives) on such a half-tested rocket. This is what I call amature.

    Also, he does not risk his life to protect his loved ones, or even to get a new scientific result, it is for plain brass.

    great deeds are done by realistic, professional (wo)men with great dreams.

    this guy does not seem so.

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  99. Re:NASA? What about the FAA? by terrymr · · Score: 2

    Sorry - I missed that - even then I wasn't aware that they were so restrictive in canada.

  100. Let's do a Slashdot interview with this guy! by grytpype · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't it time we give him a chance to explain himself, since he's been featured on /. about a dozen times, and he has been called every possible kind of idiot by us?

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  101. Re:Project Rush ???? (+ factoid) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Random Rush fact (that I honestly just discovered): in 1973 Neil P. was given a government grant to build a self-powered flying machine. He shelved the project (I'm guessing because he joined the band) and returned the grant a year later."

    Actually, those aren't random facts. That's what's called humour. You took some humorously presented jokes from rush.com and took them seriously. Jeez, did you really think the three of them once played mechanics in a short-lived sitcom called "Goober's Place"?

  102. Re:Project Rush ???? (+ factoid) by r_barchetta · · Score: 1

    (I shouldn't bother, but here goes)

    Aww, c'mon, can't a guy have a little fun on a defacto Monday morning?

    Anyway, whoever said you should believe everything you read in /. comments? Hey, waitaminnit, you renounced my comment in another comment. Why should we believe what you say?!

    Is this obviously humorous enough for ya?

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  103. He already has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The current rocket design is version 2, a major modification after running his first design by some real rocket scientists.

    I've seen articles about him quoting engineers at JPL: "You know, it just might work."

  104. He has been told. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's why he changed the design. Check the site.

  105. Re:Project Rush ???? (+ factoid) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. But you get points for trying...

  106. anonymously cinematic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anybody seen this movie with Brian in it: http://www.bigidea-movie.com/brian.html Looks like these guys got an interview with the rocket guy himself...along with some other interesting folks.

    I emailed them too. Dang SF only premiere!

  107. Re:I was worried about him last year, so I wrote.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, you do realise that the Space Shuttle's first flight was manned. The first manned vehicle to use solid fuel boosters as well...

    And yes, I think *that* was nuts.

  108. More info: by TheLink · · Score: 2

    He has become a bit more risk averse with a good reason.

    Excerpt from his site:
    http://www.rocketguy.com/rocket/December_20 01_upda te.html

    And of course, there has been another major change in my life. During my trips to Russia (now numbering 4), I met a woman who is my soul-mate and the love of my life. We fell in love after we met. This occurred in April 2001, when I went to fly the MiG 25. previously, we had emailed each other almost every day for two months. When I met her face-to-face, that was all it took. Her little boy is a wonderful child, and I look forward to having him as my son. He has no active father in his life, and at 45 years of age, I have determined that being alone without a family sucks.

    I am hoping to have them here in late April or early May. I want to launch the test rocket first, and when they arrive, I plan on spending the Summer months taking them on trips around the US, and helping them adjust to a new culture and language. When the boy begins school in September, I will jump back into the rocket project.

    Prior to meeting her, I was prone to taking risks of a considerably higher nature. No test launches just get in and go. Now, I have decided that it would be wise to be more careful, and make sure that my design and concepts will work the way I want them, or more correctly, the way they need to.

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  109. His latest testing plan by Syre · · Score: 2

    He's not planning to do an unmanned test flight of his rocket... danger, danger!

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    From:"Brian Walker"
    Re: WWW:Rocket Guy Site Feedback
    Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:36:27 -0700

    Dear Well-wisher,

    I appreciate your comments and concern for my safety. I have considered an unmanned launch, but am currently looking into having a 250 foot launch tower built (similar to the ones you see in amusement parks that blast people upwards). This would allow the rocket to be accelerated
    under a controlled situation where it would gain aerodynamic stability and enough momentum to carry it to a minimum altitude of almost 2000 feet, even if all the systems failed. This is more than adequate altitude for one of three abort modes.

    There is no doubt that this carries a certain amount of risk, and even if a did a full-on test launch, there is no guarantee that a second such launch would not develop a problem.

    Also, there is no guarantee that the rocket would survive the first launch with capabilities for second launch. I am self funding this project, and I am not that rich. I am counting on the data that has been generated over the past half century, along with the space suit and multiple escape/abort/survival options. But I don't have a death wish, so when it all comes down to it, if it appears to be too risky, I simply won't go.

    Best regards,

    Brian Walker