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Linux Kernel 2.5.19 Released
The Pi-Guy writes "It's that time again, yep, another kernel update - 2.5.19 is out there, including lots of drivers ported to the new API, and lots of ia64 and PPC32 fixes! Grab it from your local Kernel.org mirror, or if you're feeling mean, you can grab it directly from kernel.org here. The changelog is also at kernel.org."
Uhhhh... it's a development kernel. It's not supposed to be stable. Don't go complaining that it destroyed your file system; you were the one who opted to install it.
Besides, if you don't like it, you could dig around in the source to fix it... or, you could apply just a little bit of effort and file a bug report.
Exactly, news for nerds, stuff that matters. :)
Kernel updates matter to nerds
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
As it now seems that bluetooth kernel support will make it to 2.6, we will see Linux crawling through new paths to embedded devices. The floodgates are now really open, since this has been a true barrier for many companies forcing them to select something else which is otherwise inferior.
What happened to the new kbuild system? Last time I compiled 2.5, I included the new kbuild patch, and it worked great.
Ah well.. It will probably end up like kgi.. Great project, but dies because some finnish guy doesn't want to include it into the kernel...
xer.xes -- 4181
I am a nerd, the linux kernel matters. 'Nuff said.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Believe it or not, some people ENJOY hearing about the development kernel releases.
Yes - but the same people can easily visit www.kernel.org every day.
If they did visit kernel.org regularly, they'd have been running the 2.5.19 kernel two days ago.
The more advanced the technology, the more open it is to primitive attack
Oh, wait, I shouldn't expect consistency...this is Slashdot.
This is necessary...life, feeds on life...
From the changelog:
<rml@tech9.net>
[PATCH] Robert Love likes leather and chains
> Hmm. That patch does not compile. "p->cpu" does not exist, it's
> "p->thread_info->cpu". Tssk.
Ouch, I am bad. Sorry.
Make the ChangeLog entry something really defamatory.
Robert Love
This belongs in the developers section. Development kernel releases are strictly for developers and testers only, as they WILL break things.
Is your browser retarded?
In the old days, many many people used the 2.3 kernels.
Today, the Linux Counter system statistics show less than 1% of users using the "development" kernel.
Is this a worrying aspect of the Linux community's development cycle?
Maybe there should be an option to "Exclude those damn Kernel Updates" in the user preferences.
I'm anispeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation.
So, when will we see 2.4.19? I thought that 2.4.19 was supposed to have been a shorter bake than 2.4.18, wasn't it?
Also, I'm curious.. is there a "safe" way to play with the development kernels, if you don't have the time to debug filesystems or recover from disasters? are the file-system bugs as bad as they sound, or do they only affect non-ext2/ext3 file systems? does anyone have any "tricks" that they'd like to share? are the 2.5 kernels going to support using GCC 3.1 for greater speed?
Well, what you need to do is contact slashdot and ask them to create a new topic. "Kernel Updates" or something. Then you could block the stories.
Bitching about it here really isn't going to get you anywhere.
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pants ahoy
Are you expecting them to package a DEVELOPMENT kernel? I certainly hope not. Kernel upgrades are supported with urpmi in Cooker, but I'd be curious what is wrong with the 2.4.18 kernel supplied with 8.2. It's been thorughly QA tested, and if you have the upgrade sickness, surely you can learn to compile your own kernel.
Is your browser retarded?
"Let it corrupt your filesystem. Watch as it effortlessly destroys all your data."
Perfect opportunity for Linux users to consider switching back to Windows, is more like it.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
I found this kernel to be very stable and very reliable. This is very promising. I run JDK from blackdown and openoffice 1.0, as well as latest Mozilla, IRC, and got to admit that the system feels very responsive and extremelly feature rich. Hell, I can even use videolan with regionfree plugins. The 2.4 glitches for power saving features I experienced in the past seem to be gone too. Thumbs up for all the people who helped make this happen.
PPA, the girl next door.
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
- An improperly sorted CREDITS file
- a typo in dcache.c
- removal of unused code in the nfs subsystem
- consolidation of errno definitions
- the spelling of a contributor's name
- miscellaneous ia64 fixes
Thank you slashdot, for keeping me informed, and for understanding the importance of randomly updating the public on the status of developmental software version numbers!Personally, the 2.5.x kernels are of academic interest onlz. 2.4.y remains the bread and butter of what I run and I guess most other people.
1) Keeps user skills fresh on how to tar zxf; cd; make; make install
2) Frequent full source downloads lets developers, hosts and users all make sure their net connections are optimized
3) Announcement on non-kernel-related sites keeps Linux, OS of the Gods, in the forefront of everyone's minds
4) Announcement on non-kernel-related sites also ensures that stock analysts, mechanical engineers and daycare workers all get the latest source code to make "all bugs shallow"
5) Let's slashbots who wouldn't know gcc from herpes simplex talk about "the kernel" as if they knew thing one about programming or Linux
This is open source, and if you are willing to download the kernel, compile it, and run it, it's up to you really and not to blame on any distro update engine. The steps are fairly easy to do if you follow readmes but keep in mind that is an unstable release and if things go wrong, you are on your own (keep a backup of the stable kernel and make sure lilo/grub points to the old one too.)
On the other hand, if you are not able to come up with this suggestion on your own, it's probably safe to assume that you should stay away from installing it until it moves to something known to work without any problems (after all, unstable code always moves to stable at one time or another.)
Oh boy, I still didn't make time to watch AOTC.
PPA, the girl next door.
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
The latest stable release of the kernel is 2.4.19 the 2.5.x is still in beta release and shouldn't be used by normal users.
Ever gave it a serious try ? That kind of comment is totally stupid. If u dislike linux then why do bother reading the newspost ?
No text but decoy for lameness filter.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
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Old news, was released the 29. Still waiting for 2.5.20 :-)
If you want a lot of 2.5 features without sacrificing to much then there is allways the jp kernel patches located here. It includes xfs, ext3 fixes, low-latency, alsa and a lot of other things.
Dude. If you do a daily backups, a filesystem crash is nothing. Especially compared to the fuzzy feeling you get submitting detailed bug-reports to the kernel devs so they can make Linux better. You guys are starting to sound liky mopey Windows users!
PS> I have a spare comp sitting around that I do a daily data-sync with. Cheap, fast, effortless backup!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
Sheesh! (Score:4, Funny)
by Lethyos (tofuchute@hotmail . c om) on Saturday June 01, @09:13AM (#3622181)
(User #408045 Info | http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Thursday May 09, @03:25PM)
Haven't you editors heard yet? BSD is dying! Get with the program and post another Linux 2.5 patch level increment announcement. Thank you!
It's about time! 3 days? What took so long?
Eventually 2.5 will become 2.6. It is interesting to see what we can expect from the next linux kernel.
I agree, but some of us are so hopelessly addicted to /. that going to another site is a bit like cheating on your significant other ;-) Heh. But really my point was is I'd like to see kernel announcements separated into different topics. Its not like the "Linux" topic contains news items strictly concerning the kernel proper. I'd like to be able to filter out devel kernel announcements. They get me all excited that a new stable kernel thats stable is out, but no, its just another devel kernel. Don't get me wrong, it might be a good kernel, but I have enough trouble with the so called stable kernels, that there is no way I will touch a devel kernel again. I don't have any fancy hardware that isn't already supported in 2.4.x.
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
as Debian is planning the party for the 2.4 kernel based system, 'Woody', release. So far, the tables, guest speakers, live entertainment and beer (as in free?) are in the works and setup already. Much of the entertainment had no problem with the 2005 time of this event, but there were some that said 'it is just too early to plan that far ahead'. What they lack is VISION!
I think the Linux Counter system statistics are not accurate because that's an unscientific "poll". The information there is gathered from only 2,401 machines, which is obviously not representative of the entire population of Linux machines (which probably number in the millions?). Statistically we would say that there is not enough "power" to detect a statistical significance, because of this low-number sample.
The other thing is that the people running that machine-update script are self-selecting. For any statistic to be accurate, it is important that the samples are chosen accurately (for example, a random sample or a stratified random sample). The Linux Counter sample selected themselves to participate, and that is of course not accurate.
So I don't think the statistics presented there are accurate at all.
I was interested to find out how much Linus has contributed to the dev. kernel during last month, I might as well post it here. Based on this he has followed the work multiple times a week during last month. And as I also see a couple of sunpoints, this means....ermm.... nothing.
(29-May-2002)
version: changelog entries
2.5.19 : 7
2.5.18 : 10
2.5.17: 6
2.5.16: 8
2.5.15: 4
2.5.14 : 2
2.5.13: 3
2.5.12: 5
2.5.11: 5
2.5.10: 10
(24-Apr-2002)
For example, if you install it on an IDE system that doesn't come up with UDMA ...
This is apparently an open source project by Nokia:
Affix Bluetooth Protocol Stack for Linux
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
OK, here's my stupid question of the week.
What does the 2.5.x development kernel do that the stable 2.4.x kernel does not?
What are the flashy new bells & whistles?
No flames intended, I'm genuinely curious.
Meldroc, Waster of Electrons
So please skip over these type of articles next time. As you can see if you look around, at least 10 people say this exact comment everytime a kernel release is posted. And nothing gets changed, or I doubt will be changed any time soon.
So instead of useless complaining, might I suggest to move on with your life and deal with it, instead of filling up this article's comment with worthless complaints.
I agree with you though, there should be a "linux software" category at the very least.
One of the big things I know is the integration of the Alsa Sound drivers.
:)
This is quite a big move and I'm glad, the old kernel sound drivers were getting horribly out of date and lacked many features, such as hardware mixing support to name one.
I've been compiling the alsa drivers as modules for the entire 2.4.x series, and am *really* glad I won't have to be doing that any longer.
Does anyone else find it absurd that they host the list of mirrors of their site... on their site?
// select a mirror at random
// I only have hosts with 10+ Mbit/sec here
i nux/", "http:/ " , "http://www.llarian-net.lkams.kernen ux/", "http://www.ihets.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.mi n ux/", "http://www.valinux.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.uw-madisu x/", "http://www.csl-mirror.lkams.kernel.org/pub/lin
u x/", "http://www.ymbnet.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.themoes-us.lku x/", "http://www.teleglobe-us.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linu x// ");
I did, and created a simple PHP script that will redirect you to a random mirror site. (My list of hosts that it uses is everyone with something greater than a T1.) I have very little bandwidth, and am not really supposed to run a webserver on my cable modem anyway, but perhaps someone with a "real" server, with PHP support, could put this up. It's probably not the best-written program, but it works. If someone wants to put it up on their high-bandwidth site and post links, I think it would be a great way to offload traffic from the main server, especially for when "bigger" things are released that cause the main site to hover just below 100 Mbps...
<?php
$hosts = array("http://www.internap.lkams.kernel.org/pub/l
//www.netnitco.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux
l.org/pub/li
idco.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux/", "http://www.ftp-orst-edu.lkams.kernel.org/pub
/l
on.lkams.kernel.org/pub/lin
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", "http://www.secsup-org.lkams.kernel.org/pub/linux
$max = count($hosts);
$site = rand(0, $max);
header("Location: $hosts[$site]");
exit;
?>
Note that this code uses VERY little bandwidth, since all it sends is an HTTP redirect.
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I don't speak for everyone, but it seems the reason that not as many people are using development kernels is because the 2.4.x series has all of the hardware support that most of us need. I have yet to come across a device that my 2.4.18 cannot support. The only reason I used the 2.3.x kernels when they were released was because 2.2.x was not cutting it in terms of hardware support. Now, I may just want to try 2.5.x just to see the difference in performance with that preemt patch, but I may be able to contain my excitement until 2.6 rolls out.
Can anyone tell me if its now safe to install on a VIA K7T266 board? I had lost interrupts and system freezes all over the place before.
less than 1% of users using the "development" kernel
Assuming the counter is accurate, even 1% of the user base is still quite a lot and probably includes those most capable of actually contributing to the development of the kernel.
Still, at least personally my eagerness to run the latest kernels has been on the decline. I've been running Linux for over 10 years now. There was a time when I used to immediately patch in anything posted on the kernel mailing by Linus, and spent a considerable time testing and writing patches myself.
These days all of my hardware has been supported by Linux for ages. The new kernels just don't seem to bring so many cool new features to my life as they used to, so I tend to go for a bit more sedate update pace now (of course, there is the occasional memory system rewrite, which makes one want to bite the bullet again). I suspect many of the old timers have the same experience. Besides, Linux performs so good I don't even have any reason to upgrade my hardware.
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
Perfect opportunity for Linux users to consider switching back to Windows, is more like it.
I love watching the people with sub 1000 user ids. They sound more and more jaded as the years go by.
:wq
That's a big change from 2.3's, they would almost always build for me.
While this is the topic... does anyone know if 2.4.19 will ever come out of RC stage?
Liberty.
Come on, add all the machines you use. Let's get those stats bumped up a bit.
Get your own free personal location tracker
don't you understand anything about how slashdot works? i mean, they cover the usual geeky tech things, but there are are number of things that always get the spotlight.. they are:
1. linux kernels
2. debian news
3. kde news
4. mozilla news
on slashdot, if you disagree with any of the above 4 topics, the bot-moderators automatically flamebait your ass into oblivion...
From the changelog:
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[PATCH] DIE "Russel", DIE!
My name is *not* GPL: you may not derive works without approval.
Rusty.
PS. I've also applied for a patent...
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I'm guessing he's referring to 'Rusty Russell'? Just thought I'd post it for anyone who missed it, seems a strange thing to put in the changelog.
I.O.U One Sig.
I think it's fairly reasonable. The nice thing about these being posted to Slashdot is that they allow public discussion of features the latest releases. I learned quite a bit about the pros and cons of devfs by following the Slashdot discussion about it.
There is always going to be something on Slashdot that you aren't interested in. Kernel releases, Star Wars, anime, whatever. There are too many different tastes to please everyone. But you have preferences that allow filtering, and article summaries and headlines to help you decide whether to read an article. I'd rather see more material on Slashdot than less, and decide what's interesting myself.
Finally, redundancy complaints aren't really reasonable. Yes, you can get anime news on an anime site, world events on BBC, linux kernel releases on kernel.org, etc. But because the Net is so large and provides so much information, there's redundant sources for amost all types of information. The point of Slashdot is to provide a nice selection of interesting information to browse at an idle point in your day. Including more information and then letting people filter seems to achive that goal well.
Now, maybe more fine-grained filters w
May we never see th
Includes ALSA support, and a bunch of low-latency improvements. Probably some efficiency improvements. A new build system.
May we never see th
Let me see if I've got this straight. It would be wrong for me to whine about another JonKatz article (for instance) showing up on my homepage, because I have the ability to filter that rubbish out, but its also wrong for me to whine about stuff showing up on my homepage that I am unable to filter out. Is it really TOO much to ask? But you're right, nothing gets changed, so why even bother to complain? Its okay. I can find better uses for my own bandwidth, starting right now.
What could possibly hurt the security of the American people more than giving our own government the ability to hide its
I am getting increasingly uneasy about using a kernel in which development on it appears to have STOPPED! I mean, the whole world uses this kernel branch pretty-much...
Sigh, why publicize and push this unstable version of linux on people where there's a true Unix(tm) descendant which is much more stable and runs on your PC? FreeBSD must be the best kept secret in the world.
2.5.20 appears to be out already at kernel.org.
Actually I've generally had pretty good sucess with 2.4's USB. My Epson scanner worked fine out of the box (hotplug loaded the appropriate modules as soon as I plugged it in). Entries showed up automatically in /dev thanks to devfs, and SANE already had the requisite support.
Input devices like mice/tablets generally work fine too. The main fiddly thing at this point is USB storage -- my USB Zip drive is usable, but it's a little more fiddly with 2.4.14 than it should be.
DNA just wants to be free...
I've no idea myself, but I found this on linuxhq.
From the brief glance, it seems like there are a number of rewrites of the experimental hacks in 2.4 ("Bluetooth no longer experimental", framebuffer rewrite, Video 4 Linux redesign, Generic ACPI, etc).
Mostly stuff I wouldn't use in a hurry. After all, I use Linux for stability over Windows, and really cutting-edge stuff is secondary to rock-solidiness.
uh.. not quite. As I write this I'm having to disable scsi support because "Error: please fix me". I'll do w/o my burner to test it anyway.
Thanks magical /.
Now I'm off to post some complaints about other stuff so it should all be fixed in a minute. No need to thank me.
Liberty.
Oh no! 2.5.19 is full of trivial bugs for which I have patches, they will all fail in the compile stage and give up *frown*.
Quickly Linus, make a new release!
Liberty.
"My Linux desktop contains less than 3% GNU software." But 95% of that software was compiled with GNU software.
And if they visited kernel.org right now (11:20 PM PDT) they would notice that the latest beta release of the Linux kernel is 2.5.20!
Whilst I don't have a 1000 uid, I've been around here for a long, long, time. Mr Warner has been making, er, "provocative" comments for as long as I can remember. Just like /. has *always* had duplicate stories and editors who can't spell.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
I grabbed the latest 2.5.xx kernel and then after compiling it, realized the bloody NVidia drivers will not compile for it!
I think my next card will be an ATI Radeon 8500. I've had enough of NVidia's crap.
There are far to many good things to fo into the kernel to mention, but heres 3 of my faves
1: New kernel device structure (kdev_t) & New driver model & unified device tree
This is one of the most important features for linux if people are going to write drivers, evrything is now very nice and modular to interface with.
2:Generic ACL (Access Control List) support
A lot of unices and windows have supported ACL for quite some time, there was a kernal patch for 2.4 but it's going to be in the kernel for good. ACL provides a more granular security model.
3: Reverse mappings in the VM
THis should speed up the VM a hell of a lot, reverse mappings improve page allocation perfomance, and fragmentation.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
But where is the discussion on kernel.org? The mailing list is not the same, sometimes there are insightful bits posted on Slashdot about the latest kernel. Too bad your was not one of them.
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"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief."
Support for a preemptible kernel!
Geoff