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The New York Times has a heads-up about a little-noticed add-on to a massive appropriations bill, signed into law by Clinton but taking effect in October. The amendment allows anyone to challenge data published by the Federal government and have it changed or deleted. The main proponents of the law are pro-business groups seeking to tie up environmental and similar regulations by challenging the government's data.
With all the news about fraudalent accounting can we challegne gov's data from SEC and FAASB concerning frims liek MS and CISco who play accountign scams?
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I seem to recall people doing this kind of thing to try and get out of a speeding ticket too =)
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Fabulous. Now lawyers will be the final framers of the scientific and technical truth. They've done such a spectacular job with the concept of "justice" that this is only the next logical step.
Lots of things have been described as "Orwellian" lately, and this just follows the trend...
The main proponents of the law are pro-business groups seeking to tie up environmental and similar regulations by challenging the government's data.
Whine, whine, piss, bitch and moan. OH NO, big business is going to destroy mother nature!!! OH NO! Quit your bitching.
Fact of the matter is, half the environmental "data" that is produced by the federal gov't comes from private organizations who are already hell-bent on saving every last inch of nature at whatever expense is necessary (fraudulent/deceiptful data). It's bullshit.
Anyone that does not realize that such data is often willfully misrepresented or fabricated, or at best just a result of horrid incompetency and abuse by your friendly tax funded company/agency, has been asleep or is in a constant state of denial of reality. The question IMHO is not whether we should allow a reexamination of data from these organizations, but how that process is performed. At a bare minimum, the individual should have as much right as any formal organization (which includes lobbiests, companies, special interest groups, etc) Since there have been an increasing number of lies regarding environmentalism, it is important for a number of reasons to get the facts straight AND hold those responsible for misrepresentations accountable. Otherwise, the issue will continue to galvanize and polarize the positions and feelings of the very ones who are supposed to be the reason for all this... 'the Children[/people/future/etc]'. Maybe that is why honor and integrity are so important? Eco nazis that radiate nothing but irrational and inconsistent views, scorn, hate and malice have only given a weapon to those that would use that behavior as a weapon to gain more money and power. While the corporation is labled evil in a pavlovian jerking of the knee by those who lack gray matter and self thought, the fact that there will always be small to large companies who have people in them that WILL abuse such powers is the issue.
Wow, and I thought the government moved slow as it was. If they're having to devote staff to following up on any possible error pointed out by anyone they're either: a) going to grind to a complete halt or b) not post any information in the first place (which I guess is the point).
Does it really surpise anyone that the government is taking a similiar approach to the Internet as the RIAA?
Who wants to be the first to challenge the extraordinarily limited government data that video games are incapable of expressing ideas?
-Evan
There is a lot of wacky "cooked" data out there, from environmental claims to Congressional Budget Office releases.
There is also a move by anti-democracy activists to destroy the national census by replacing it with "sampling" and other lazy ways to make up persons instead of counting them. If this move is successful, this law will make it easier to challenge the cooked census numbers.
AN the easy distribution of data promised by the Internet actually bring the type of scrutiny that ultimately leads to less information being available?
That is the question being raised by a new law called the Data Quality Act, which requires the government to set standards for the accuracy of scientific information used by federal agencies. It is the latest move from Washington highlighting the balance of risks and rewards when disseminating information on the Internet.
The law, which takes full effect on Oct. 1, creates a system under which anyone could point out errors in documents; if an error is confirmed, an agency would have to remove the data from government Web sites and publications.
The Data Quality Act, along with recent efforts by government agencies to scrub their Web sites of information to guard national security, indicate a substantial shift to a more conservative culture of information, said Darrell West, a political scientist at Brown who tracks government information on the Web.
Though the Internet created fewer fortunes than had been expected, it did deliver riches of information, creating an age of government disclosure not seen before. Not so long ago, the mantra was openness; some legislators even scrambled to get lists of campaign contributors into cyberspace where the voters could see.
But that age may be over.
"The open-access people just put things online and worried about the consequences later," Professor West said. "Now we're hitting the consequences."
The Center for Regulatory Effectiveness, a primary backer of the Data Quality Act, has already started requesting changes in government information that is published in print and online.
This year, the center requested that the United States Global Change Research Program withdraw dissemination of the National Assessment on Climate Change on the basis of "numerous data quality and scientific flaws," according to a letter posted on the group's Web site.
The center also asked the Environmental Protection Agency to modify its Web site on global warming to reflect the scientific uncertainties about global climate change.
William Kelly, western representative for the center, said the poor quality of federal data created problems for everyone who used it, from regulators to consumers.
"With the blossoming of the Internet, it's turned into a huge problem for industry," Mr. Kelly said. "Agencies were encouraged to post virtually everything on the Internet. It wasn't such a problem when people had to go through a Freedom of Information Act request."
Some watchdog groups say that agencies need to create policies on how to treat information on the Internet, arguing that otherwise, haphazard decisions would lead to more restrictions.
"The problem is, it's much easier to make decisions about taking down information," said Ari Schwartz, associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit group in Washington. "The policy seems to be, take everything down, and we'll make decisions later."
Employees of the Interior Department learned the consequences of that approach earlier this year, when a federal judge ordered all the department's computer communications shut because its Web sites were vulnerable to hacking. Agencies fielded complaints from a wide range of people, from those planning vacations to national parks to those seeking the status of bird species. Most of the its Web sites have since been restored.
Removing information from Web sites became more of a government interest after Sept. 11, as agencies took down information they thought might be useful to terrorists.
A nonprofit group in Washington called OMB Watch is trying to assess just how much information agencies removed from public Web sites under the new directives. The group sent requests under the Freedom of Information Act to a dozen agencies in January. So far, only the Environmental Protection Agency has sent back a list.
According to OMB Watch, E.P.A. officials have restored much of the information that they withdrew from its Web sites last fall, including pages dealing with watersheds in New York City and the Envirofacts database, which allows users to retrieve information about air pollution, chemicals at government and business installations, water pollution and grants.
Responses to the group's inquiry indicate that other agencies may have removed a significant amount of information from the Web. The Energy Department, according to OMB Watch, reported that it had stacks of information waiting to be organized before it could be sent.
"We have nothing we can nail them down on, and we have no index of what they had in the past," said Sean Moulton, a senior policy analyst with OMB Watch. He said the directives to remove data and the new data-quality guidelines were part of "an overarching mosaic that is about restricting information and removing information from public access."
"Unfortunately," Mr. Moulton said, "Sept. 11 is being utilized as a pivot point for industry to push an agenda they already had."
OMB Watch has advocated creation of an office that would oversee what data agencies publish online and the security measures they use.
But even when done with care for quality and security, publishing on the Internet can still bring unexpected trouble to agencies.
Five years ago, the Social Security Administration set up a service on its Web site that let individuals look up their income histories and check what benefits were available. People had to enter five pieces of information: full name, Social Security number, date of birth, place of birth and mother's maiden name.
"By requiring those five items, we felt that was adequate security. It was addressed," said Mark Hinkle, a spokesman for the Social Security Administration.
That is more information than most people need now to check their bank accounts online, but the agency received a letter from several senators with concerns that hackers could steal individuals' personal information from the site.
Though no fraud was ever reported, the agency took down the database. Now, Social Security sends earnings records each year by mail.
Libel law states that if someone publishes false and damaging statements about you, they can be forced to retract the statements and/or publish a correction. (If they published the false material deliberately, they can also be required to pay monetary damages.)
This is just the logical extension of that: Instead of having to prove that the statements caused harm to you, it is merely necessary to prove that the statements are false.
This is a Good Thing. Yes, it will result in less material being published... but the material which doesn't get published will be primarily the material which wasn't defensible in the first place.
Tarsnap: Online backups for the truly paranoid
Maybe we can say goodbye to the myth of manmade global warming.
Anyone who has been following this stuff for years will remember the dire predictions of the "new ice age" back in the 1970s. The way things go, it is likely within 10 years that the Chicken Littles will be offering their perfect "scientific proof" that the same fossil fuels and greenhouse gases that are said to be causing "global warming" right now will freeze the earth.
Terrific! Essentially we're taking power away from the government and giving it to corporations. Sounds good to me! From the corrupt to the profiteers!
Anyone can challenge the numbers, not just businesses.
However, "from the corrupt to the profiteers" is an improvement. The profiteers only profit by providing needed goods and services; corporations (except where government interferes) exist to serve the people through the accountability of the free market.
So it is OK that political power groups would remain the final framers of scientific and technical truth?
I'm usually the last to defend lawyers, but in this case I have no problem with lawyers getting involved in damaging the power of the ruling class to control our lives and create whatever "truth" it wants to perpetuate its own power.
I mean, it's a step in the right direction, but to the /. crowd, it should seem pretty darn obvious - if someone points out a mistake, you have to fix it. Oddly enough, since the government is there to serve the people, if the people point out that the government is a bozo, this is exactly what *should* happen.
The problem with this bill is just what the article says - no one is going to be challenging the data where a minor functionary has his phone number listed incorrectly. The *big* companies that probably want this sort of ability to challenge data would be the tobbaco companies. After all, those surgeon general warnings are technically government data.
Theoretically, it will depend on how this data can be used, once changed. A whole hell of a lot of court cases have been won and lost through government researched data. If some important stuff gets debunked, appeals will flood the system more than they do now, digging up old cases from as far back as human memory.
As an aside - remember the FOIA? It turns out that if the paper you're writing is a draft, it's not FOIA-able. Which is why, (and I'm in government service, sorry to say) that I spend so much time stamping draft on things.
Maybe they should've made a server quality act. Google cache here
Gosh, what if the data is wrong or like the case out west, where gov't scientists falsified reports (planted fur from a rare animal on a scratching post) in order to support their environmental aims?
rm -i `find / -name \*truth\*`
vi `find / -name \*truth\*
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Good point, valentyn. With slightly different spin, the ability of anyone to challenge data would have been seen as a Good Thing. I have no idea why you were modded "Offtopic."
-- MarkusQ
So how do we challenge CIA data?
I assume that now means that no CIA data wil ever be published whether it has been un classified or not..
lets see politician wants to hide acrime..oh thats National Security you can;t have access to it..
Can you see where this is going?
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I would not call those 'scientiests'. A real scientiest would never do that and calling those sharlatans scientists demeans science and real scientists everywhere.
This estimates have alwayts been quite hillarious. In these estimates, they count some jr high kid with a box of copied disks as a "lost of tens of thousands of dollars" based on purchase copy of non-pirated copies of what the kind has.....
....never mind that the kid would never have been able to pay even a fraction of this total.
Nice imaginary math numbers here. Reminds me of when the left wing attacked the Newt Gingrich medical plan. Newt wanted to increase spending 20%. The Democrats imaginaged a number higher than 20%, and went around claiming that this large % increase by Newt was a cut (while not explaining that while it was a real increase, it was a cut in comparison to an imaginary higher increase)
This isn't exactly shocking news.
We have:
1) Lies
2) Damn Lies
3) Statistics
The part of this that's really irritating of course is: Who is it that ultimately decides the validity of the data? I've read very few reports commissioned on behalf of any government agencies that contained figures that could be considered concrete, i.e. "there are X widgets in the DOD inventory". Generally what are reported are statistical results - "eighty two and a half percent of all households headed by white males are likely to own one or more upright vacuum cleaners". So who is it that decides? Are the originators of said data allowed a rebuttal of any kind? Is there an arbitration process to determine whose figures are closer to reality? Or is it just the party involved who can afford the better lawyer?
Orwellian indeed.
"Nothing is so important that you cannot make fun of it." -Clarke
... but I only get a form that asks too much of personal data for my taste.
If they're having to devote staff to following up on any possible error pointed out by anyone ....
Well, duh. Imagine that, they are going to have to make sure that what they publish is accurate. Shocking!
half the environmental "data" that is produced by the federal gov't comes from private organizations who are already hell-bent on saving every last inch of nature at whatever
Too often, actually "saving nature" has nothing to do with it. Consider the Green Party. Their primary aim is to concentrate power in the hands of central government authority. Their favoring of environmental regulations is only a means to help this goal: the more decisions made by government instead of people the better.
Make lawyers swear an oath to tell the truth in the courtroom; use lie detectors too. A big part of the problem is indeed lawyers who tell lies in the courtroom....
As for a victory by Philip Morris attorneys... Hey, I hate smoking. But I realize that the responsibility for health problems lies with the people dumb enough to smoke. Their stupid choice.
Fabulous. Now lawyers will be the final framers of the scientific and technical truth.
Yeah, I agree! Only former lawyers (legislators) should get to decide what is scientific and technical truth!
The "dominant" theories of climate change seem to change quite frequently. Maybe there is "global warming", but we really have no idea yet. The methodologies and paradigms are so primitive and subjective (as show by how much they have shifted all over the place in the past 40 or so years).
Right now, the "global warming" claim is a convenient tool used by groups who think it will further their social goals.
If the dataset is big enough, it *will* have errors in it. If it is the case that data must be pulled if it is found to contain errors, it's going to be a trivial exercise for anyone vaguely numerate to remove any kind to scientific data from consideration in say a legal case.
In many years of working with large datasets, I am yet to find one that doesn't have some kind of error in it. The key thing to remember is that most of the data is right and it usually doesn't matter if there's a few problems.
(hoping this legislation has some kind of sanity clause to prevent such abuses)
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Then again, as the man said, "If voting could change anything, it would be illegal."
i am seeing alot of posts by people who don't seem to notice this is only applying to goverment sites, who don't people just make a db of every goverment site now and then it will still be there.
Specifically, if the law can be used to impugn environmental data, as the editorial comments imply, it can also be used to impugn "anti-environmental" data. For example, let's verify the data that Bald Eagles numbers have recovered to the point that they should no longer be on the Endangered Species list.
In other words... painting this a a single-edged sword against someone's pet cause ignores the fact that the Sword of Damocles was most likely a Gladius (which is a two edged weapon, so it can cut both ways).
Is any government website that is "Best Viewed with Internet Explorer".
--Joe
Let's see. If they pass this new privacy act, they can publish any private data of mine they want unless I explicitly say not to, and with this they can change it too. Why not just invent new data about all of us, publish it for the world to see and call it even?
The problem is that there is no right to privacy as protected in the Constitution. So the government runs roughshod over our "privacy rights" just as the British government runs roughshod over free speech (no 1st Amendment in that country).
If it is "found to contain errors", then these errors can be corrected when found. Accuracy is not impossible.
How are you going to feel if/when all sorts of government scientific data is challenged by creationists?
If the creationists challenge parts-per-billion petroleum-related environmental data, they are being ever sillier. Besides, what is the government doing publishing Evolution documents in the first place (that would draw wrath of creationists) Does this even happen? Should it happen.... that is, shouldn't this be left to the academic world? Seems like a waste of tax money in the first place.
Anyone remember the news that employees in the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife planted false evidence of a Canadian Lynx in national forests? How long has government data been cooked to further the agendas of government insiders?
Google lead me to a summary here.
Well, a sealed bottle of jack gets you nothing, but a sealed ounce of weed can lose you your car...
Don't drive with weed in your car. Works every time to prevent such problems.
This act will enable politicians in individual states yet another inroad to challege the Census findings in their districts. I doubt much good will come from reworking numbers.
There are two things to help the census situation:
1). Get rid of almost all of the questions. Age and citizenship and place of residence are the only necessary questions for figuring out those congressional districts. Invasive and easily abused information such as race, number of toilets, and income are not necessary in the census.
2) Keep the census as something based on an actual count. Do not allow imaginary people and guesswork ("statistical sampling") as this is very prone to political pressure, number cooking, and fad algorithms chosen to benefit one political group or another. The actual count will become much more accurate due to getting rid of the unnecessary questions.
This will make for a much more "solid" Census that is harder to challenge.
Since a conclusion is derived from the originating data, it follows that it should be fairly easy disrupt the conclusion by making changes to the said data.
With all the flaws bureaucracy has, I would still trust a bureaucrat to be considerably more reliable and truthful in an analysis that affected the viability of any particular product or industry than any of the proponents of said industry.
Rememeber, at the end of the day, a civil servant is there to serve us. A business man serves the almighty dollar and the stockholders of his/her business.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
--this has been needed for a long time. Look at the government trying to close off vast sections of land out west by "salting" lynx hairs. Look at the government lying about the "tonkin gulf attack" that lead to the nam war. Look at all the other lies they promoted as "data' Agent orange=not harmful"-they pushed that one for years and years citing "data" that was flawed and outright fabricated. Look at now how they still insist that sucker fish are "endangered" or about the "spotted owl" being endangered, destroying thousands of peoples lives..let alone any of the tech stuff like being able to copy your files from one media to another results in financial "harm" to the copyright holders.
Big brother sucks rubber donkey dong, about time they got called on their lies. Maybe we can crack open a lot of lies like the twa800 "accident", like who actually did the okc bombing or the 9-11 attack. Tons of stuff.
I don't remember this, but it rings true. The one effect that this law can never have and will never have, is to control the massive social influence that scientific lies spoken by politicians have. We need a law against BS spoken by public figures. Scientific slander? If you can't find any scientific authority to back up your data or conclusions, then you go to jail.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
The main proponents of the law are pro-business groups seeking to tie up environmental and similar regulations by challenging the government's data.
Great. Its about time we get the ability to challenge many of the governments poorly done studies. Especially for businesses, as they often are forced to spend needless money due to regulations based on half-baked theories, such as global warming.
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I did a little looking and found an interesting article on the FCC web site about the Data Quality Act and their proposed implementation of it.
Apparently the OMB (Office of Management and Budget) is responsible for administering this new law under the Paperwork Reduction Act. and each agency is responsible to tell the OMB how they are going to implement it.
Read any good sonnets lately?
I remember this. A "respected journalist" named Pierre who has 5 inch long eyebrow beards said it was a missile attack. Elvis was the one who really did the OKC bombing. The 9-11 attack, as everyone knows, was done by green elves in flying saucers (oh wait... it really did not happen. it is a hoax by the Jewish-run media). The same elves sank the Titanic and caused "Supertrain" and "Max Headroom" to be cancelled.
Surprised you did not mention the other ones. How about all the phantoms lining up alongside Oswald to shoot JFK? The steel-toothed shark that really attacked the USS Cole? The Illuminati who tampered with the florida chads and got Bush elected? The Zionists who planted Lewinsky and Chandra in order to control our government? The federal assault team who pounded David Koresh's rape camp with that hail of invisible bullets? The Gnomes of Zurich who caused the dot com crash?
And we haven't even gotten to the contrails and HAARP....
I can just see it now. you black helicopter guys won't stop until you sue the government to write whatever fiction you want them to.
Is libel print or is that slander?
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--the government-it's employees and "scientists" got caught red handed planting lynx fur in order to get huge areas declared "off limits" to a lot of uses-this is FACT they admit to now. Ditto the "endangered suckerfish" over in klamath falls oregon, and the "spotted owl" all over the rockies-the data was skewed and falsified.
TWA800 in no way shape or form blew up from a spark in the center fuel tank, losing huge amounts of the plane, then CLIMBED several thousand feet-that data is just laughable, but big bro insists on it. YOU can believe the oil soaked drug running CIA cartoon "explanation" of the "accident", that means you and maybe two other people do-no one else on the planet does because it's absurd on the face of it.
OKC bombing had a ton of middle easterners involved, there are witnesses who have come forward with the data. there are still active Hamas cells around OKC, brought in by george I after his desert storm scamwar against his business partner saddam whom he decided to double cross.
The 9-11 attacks have actual FBI agents coming forward just last week to testify how their warnings went not only unheeded, but their actual written warnings were ALTERED to disguise the fact. They have been threatened with jail to come forward, and have hired lawyers and come forward with the whistleblower statutes.
All these and more are challengable government "data" related. Agent orange, deadly, yet their tame scientists kept the truth away from faked out young men they dragooned into fighting their corporate blood profits war. screw them turkeys.
The government is a liar, and if you are a government employee, the cooties are sticking to you, too.
begone, shill troll. The internet is exposing the governments lies to millions of people now, they can't cover up by controlling a few media sources like they are used to. Go back to your handlers in disgrace, your eforts are laughable. Amateurish, your psyops no longer work. Totalitarian lies are being exposed every day now, so, screw you again.
Nuhrembergh, never forget, "just following orders" is NOT a defense.
Does this mean we can resume counting of ballots in West Palm Beach? Chads were so much fun
Someday a Slashdot ID of 177180 will mean something.
...And if the corporate stats are wrong, there are ways to deal with that too. At least they aren't doing what the government does: wasting taxpayer dollars putting forth their "statistics" which serve only their power interests, or that of illegitimate pressure groups.
I fail to see how laws that force te government to tell the truth can be "harmfu" or be "exploited" y business. Environmental agreements like the Kyoto protocol will have unfair and devistating effects on the American economy, and they are based entirly on scientific opinion that is highly questionable at best. "Global Warming" is generally accepted to be true by just about everyone, although there is only limited data proving it. Shouldn't the public be allowed to question massive, sweeping legislation that is based largely on distorted, unproven or sometimes outright fialse scientific data?
Ok, so just get a private University like Harvard, Berkley, or MIT to publish the findings, and they can't be challenged. Problem solved.
This is a good point. The post refers to environmental numbers on government sites - but wait until other well funded, lawyer approved organizations get into the act. Then the battles won't be between Organization X and the US Government, but between Organization X and Organization Y, with the US Government trapped in the middle. One group will sue to have the information taken down, and another will sue to have it restored.
Eventually you're going to see massive legal battles between groups such as Handgun Control, Inc. and the NRA over the numbers put on various government sites such as the Centers for Disease Control. There's lots to fight over there, from the raw numbers and how much estimation is going on, to the definition of the word "child" (doing research for a school paper I found one CDC definition for children that included 25 year olds - they probably meant to say "young adults and children" but now it becomes a legal point you can sue over).
IMHO this is a big mistake. Pick *any* government study, from the National Park Service research papers [think Glacier Bay & commercial fishing] to the FBI crime reports [think gun control]. You'll find two well funded opponents for just about anything published, and they'll soon have the green light to take every little issue to court.
Lovely. What a wonderful use of government staff time - chasing down details for opposing lawyers in endless lawsuits and counter-suits.
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Here are some claims in the bill submitted by Sen. Hollings et. al. that could potentially be affected by this law (the interesting ones in bold):
The Congress finds:
(1) The lack of high quality digital content continues to hinder consumer adoption of broadband Internet service and digital television products.
(2) Owners of digital programming and content are increasingly reluctant to transmit their products unless digital media devices incorporate technologies that recognize and respond to content security measures designed to prevent theft.
(3) Because digital content can be copied quickly, easily, and without degradation, digital programming and content owners face an exponentially increasing piracy threat in a digital age.
(4) Current agreements reached in the marketplace to include security technologies in certain digital media devices fail to provide a secure digital environment because those agreements do not prevent the continued use and manufacture of digital media devices that fail to incorporate such security technologies.
(5) Other existing digital rights management schemes represent proprietary, partial solutions that limit, rather than promote, consumers' access to the greatest variety of digital content possible.
(6) Technological solutions can be developed to protect digital content on digital broadcast television and over the Internet. [OK, this is probably true since it does not mention the level of protection.]
(7) Competing business interests have frustrated agreement on the deployment of existing technology in digital media devices to protect digital content on the Internet or on digital broadcast television.
(8) The secure protection of digital content is a necessary precondition to the dissemination, and on-line availability, of high quality digital content, which will benefit consumers and lead to the rapid growth of broadband networks.
(9) The secure protection of digital content is a necessary precondition to facilitating and hastening the transition to high-definition television, which will benefit consumers.
(10) Today, cable and satellite have a competitive advantage over digital television because the closed nature of cable and satellite systems permit encryption, which provides some protection for digital content.
(11) Over-the-air broadcasts of digital television are not encrypted for public policy reasons and thus lack protections afforded to programming delivered via cable or satellite.
(12) A solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.
(13) Consumers receive content such as video or programming in analog form.
(14) When protected digital content is converted to analog for consumers, it is no longer protected and is subject to conversion into unprotected digital form that can in turn be copied or redistribute illegally.
(15) As solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.
(16) Unprotected digital content on the Internet is subject to significant piracy, through illegal file sharing, downloading, and redistribution over the Internet.
(17) Millions of Americans are currently downloading television programs, movies, and music on the Internet and by using "file-sharing" technology. Much of this activity is illegal, but demonstrates consumers's desire to access digital content.
(18) Piracy poses a substantial economic threat to America's content industries.
(19) A solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.
(20) Providing a secure, protected environment for digital content should be accompanied by a preservation of legitimate consumer expectations reading use of digital content in the home.
(21) Secure technological protections should enable owners to disseminate digital content over the Internet without frustrating consumers' legitimate expectations to use that content in a legal manner.
(22) Technologies used to protect digital content should facilitate legitimate home use of digital content.
(23) Technologies used to protect digital content should facilitate individuals' ability to engage in legitimate use of digital content for educational or research purposes.
(I got the above text from the politechbot page.)
Now, I don't have a clue whether the above document falls under the new law or not. Certainly it makes a number of claims and conclusions without using statistics (except the vague "millions"), so perhaps it would be protected by its ambiguity. But: If it is subject to the new law, then that means that any citizen can challenge the veracity of any phrase in proposed legislation. Big can o' worms! And if it's not subject, then expect even less actual background information in future bills as they are made more and more ambiguous so they do not become subject to the new law.
He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
Look at the government lying about the "tonkin gulf attack" that lead to the nam war.
Actually the Gulf of Tonkin incedent may have been a mistake. As I heard it:
A US ship was cruising around to "show the flag" in the Gulf of Tonkin. Some small fishing boats were nearby. Sonar reported a pair of torpedoes coming at the ship from the direction of the fishing boats. The ship manouvered and was not hit.
The problem is that when a ship makes a turn, sonar reflecting from its wake looks like two torpedoes zeroing in on the ship. The sonar man SHOULD know about this effect and be able to discount it. But giving that they expected a possible attack (indeed, were serving as a shoulder-chip at the time), he might have reported it as a possible and had it blown out of proportion later.
So maybe an honest error. Or maybe a deliberate error. (Or maybe a story I heard that has no relation to fact - things were hectic back then.)
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Yes indeed, since I don't believe in really whacky theories and falsehoods, I am a government employee. Yep, me and 97% of the rest of the Americans who don't believe this stuff are all government employees too.
OKC bombing had a ton of middle easterners involved
Yes, along with a brace of Neanderthals, a few Siamese Twins, and Jerry Falwell too. Later, they went on to Columbine and the rest is history.
The 9-11 attacks have actual FBI agents coming forward just last week to testify how their warnings went not only unheeded, but their actual written warnings were ALTERED to disguise the fact.
The only alteration here is what the fiction-writer did to create this story. Everyone knows that the FBI and CIA are incompetent. Takes a real lame brain to turn bumbling into a mastermind control situation.
The internet is exposing the governments lies to millions of people now, they can't cover up by controlling a few media sources like they are used to
Government lies exposed is good. It is good also that your lies are exposed as well, and the people for the most part laugh at loony tune fabrications rather than believe them. I suppose you saw that Internet photo of Ernie of Sesame Street and believed he really was there too.
TWA800 in no way shape or form blew up from a spark in the center fuel tank, losing huge amounts of the plane, then CLIMBED several thousand feet-that data is just laughable, but big bro insists on it
Yet that is exactly what happened. The government would be lying if it started to use its imagination and come up with the same sort of shaggy-eyebrow Pierre Salinger fictions you are using.
YOU can believe the oil soaked drug running CIA cartoon "explanation" of the "accident"...
Oil soaked? Perhaps. It might make it harder for enemy agents to grab them. But drug running? Long ago disproven. Stop listening to Maxine Waters.
"The truth is out there. But so are the lies."
If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, is the CIA still to blame?
The Kyoto accords are 100% political... look at how China and some other countries are let off the hook. The greenhouse gas emissions are handled not on actual volume, but by the country they come from.
The US should sign it, and then quietly ignore it and stonewall any attempts to enforce it.
from correct, to being incorrect in the eyes of someone else or vise versa.
Remember that the next time someone decides to tax you because you live on a waste reclemation site. What you don't live on one? Well we can't spare anyone to come and check, so what we say sticks! Don't forget to pay the EPA on the way out.
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What battiness "libertarianism" produces!
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Think about it for a while and it seems that while pro-business groups could abuse it, it would also provide power to other groups to do good things. Envirmental groups wouldn't just sit there and let businesses create false results anyway..
"Envirmental groups wouldn't just sit there and let businesses create false results anyway
Yes, they would get busy and create false results of their own!
"Instead they can pull an "enron"
They can't, actually. Enron was caught, and due to resulting changes, the recurrence of a similar scandal (an "enron") is much less likely.
"destroy the futures of most of their former employees"
Enron destroyed the current careers of these employees. They did not destroy their futures. These employees are not blacklisted or otherwise prevented from having "futures".
transfer the cash to their executives
This did happen. You hit two out of three, Mr Watson.
If you can't find any scientific authority to back up your data or conclusions, then you go to jail.
You can't touch Al Gore, however. He is above the law. He has told us time and again that there is no controlling legal authority.
" bit less that 3 thirds of population makes 50%..."
Three thirds of a population is 100%. 100% makes 50%? Say what?
Businesses very often have an incentive to lie - to increase future profits.
And government has an incentive to lie to increase its profits (wealth) and power. But at least business is much more accountable. Government forces me to pay to make it wealthy and powerful, not so with business.
Why not give libertarianism a try? It would reduce the power of the least accountable most corrupt "Corporation" there is.
I guess you are batty if you question the divine right of power of those who rule over us. How dare we question our betters. Socialism (government leaders owning everything and making all of our decisions for us for our own good) is the only just form of government. The reason it has not triumphed is because other forms of government are allowed.
Once alternative forms of government are abolished, socialism will be the best form there is.
at the end of the day, a business man, having made his profit, will have no further incentive to lie to the public
Except to make further profit.
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Unlike Germany of course who is doing their share... By counting a bunch of 1970's communist-era coal plants that were shut down in the 90's. They've already had almost all their cutbacks for free.. Now, use 1998 as a baseline, and they'll be less happy about it.
there is no right to privacy as protected in the Constitution.
An argument along the lines "because the word 'privacy' is not mentioned in the Constitution, the Constitution does not protect privacy" is completely bogus. According to the Ninth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
In addition, the Fourth Amendment protects "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures".
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Since the subject of cars has been brought up... doesn't anyone find it interesting that one of the biggest hurdles for FOREIGN car companies to bring a model into the US is the very thing that other countries are critizing the US for...EMISSIONS????
For a couple of examples, why don't we have an Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII in the US already? Emissions standards not up to par with US standards. Why does the Subaru Impreza WRX produce less power in the US than it's Asian and European counterparts? Emissions standards are tougher in the US. In the case of the WRX, there is actually an additional component in the intake system that's not found on the other market's WRXs.
I find that VERY interesting. This would seem to suggest to me, at least, that the American market is more strict about emissions than most other places. Given that, maybe there are other polluters that have greater impact than automobiles to worry about.
The American flag has thirteen stripes, not twelve.
Yes it's off-topic, but it's informative, too.
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Who won the presidential election.
Everyone knows the votes were rigged
You listed a couple of amendments that do not have much to do with a "right to privacy". In fact, the imaginative can use the 9th Amendment to come up with any sort of other things which can be contradictory to the idea of a "right to privacy".
The 4th amendment actually affords little protection for anything (whose definition of reasonable are you using?). In any case, it does not mention privacy, which might possible involve "search" but never involves "seizure".
The argument that "the Constitution does not protect privacy is completely bogus" is not "bogus". It is completely true. You quoted two amendments, one of which can mean anything, and the other of which only has slight overlap. Privacy is just not there in the document, and it won't be until we have an amendment. You can't just stretch and fudge inrelated amendments to fill the hole; it is not there.
Yes, Ralph Nader really won. He is the people's choice. The corporate-controlled government and courts railroaded him out of his victory, and the corporate media has silenced the story.
It is clear that the 9th Amendment does not "deny" such things as a "right to privacy". Nor of course does it protect them. It is pretty much neutral on them.
I support a "right to privacy". However, it would be better defended as an actual part of the document, rather than something conjured up out of slim connection to other amendments.
Finally, it should be pointed out that an interpretation of the 9th Amendment can be used to erode a "right to privacy".
Consider an interpretation in which a "right to national security" is considered important. Under this interpretation, privacy could be compromised in pursuit of protecting security. Does this sound familiar at all? Nah....
I'll bite on this troll.
Relatively current records show a trend of rising carbon dioxide levels. Geological trends paint a more worrisome picture. Going back several hundred thousand years, periods of major glaciation (that's an ice age to you ACs out there) were preceded by measureable increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide.
It turns out the Earth reacts to high levels of CO2 in the atmosphere first by heating up (the so-called greenhouse effect). Higher air temperatures aren't interesting, what's interesting is what happens when higher water temperatures alter the flow of the oceans' currents. You see, the oceans have an enormous mechanism for exchanging carbon dioxide for oxygen. Ocean currents flow away from the equator, warm water on the surface. As the water nears cooler climates near the poles, it cools and surface content sinks, including carbon dioxide in solution. That carbon dioxide becomes rich food for underwater vegetation, which of course produce oxygen. The water heats up (due to thermal vents in the ocean floor, for example) and rises, releasing oxygen.
Things get nasty when this falls out of balance, however. When water is warmer, it stays on the surface longer, traveling further north, or further south, encroaching on the poles. Eventually, this warm surface water starts to melt off ice at the poles. Not all of the ice melts, some of it begins to migrate. This starts to happen at an increasing rate. Now colder and colder water (and thus colder air temps. and precipitation) make their way toward the poles. Major glaciation, or, an ice age.
OK, that's nice, you say. But so what, there've been ice ages before. Pollution being a factor in this vast mechanism is all B.S. right?
Well... If you follow that second link, you'll see that studies, right here on Earth, show that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are significantly higher than they've been in the last 420,000 years. Do a Google search and you'll find studies showing that this peak begins it's upward curve beyond the median back in the 1700s.
Humans affect the environment. Period.
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No, seriously. There is, at the moment, a lot of bad data being used by the goverment. Often it was originally thought to be correct, but then the scientists realized they'd made an error or a mistake, or hadn't taken something into account, and they changed their minds. It happens a lot, and is the corner stone of the scientific process.
Goverment, however, (especially big ones like ours) don't change to well. The US is *STILL* using some enviromental models that turned out to be less accurate than a table of random numbers. The rest of the world has moved on, and the IPCC's new models are pretty good, but the US hasn't, which means it's worrying about the wrong things in the wrong places. This is bad. If you live near a river than flooded a lot, and the goverment could afford to build ONE dyke, wouldn't you want to make sure they built it on the correct river?
Yes, people will try and abuse the act, and some will even suceed, but you can then turn around and challenge the NEW data. At the moment any lobyist who suceeds in getting bad data entered into the record has won.
OH COME ON, Jon Ritter dies and YOU DON'T EVEN MENTION PROBLEM CHILD?!?! Fuck you and everything you stand for!!