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Have fun, and thanks to the FreeBSD team!" The announcement has all the mirror information, etc.
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Isn't Apple's Mac OSX a BSD unix?
Selected network drivers now implement a semi-polling mode, which makes systems much more resilient to attacks and overloads.
A partial defense against IP DoS attacks?
Another thing that looks really cool is that reboot now takes a flag to tell it which kernel to reboot to. Isn't this cool? Granted, most of the time on my Linux system I'm at the console when I do a reboot, so I can just pick it from GRUB, but for remote reboots this could be quite handy. And they've eliminated the deal with the odd legit TCP SYN packet from crashing the box to boot. In a nutshell, it's time to start downloading...
Linux binary emulation layers, I'd presume.
They're available with the release, I think, can't really remember correctly.
my dvd discs won't fit in a:
Much Free Software from linux compiles fine on BSD, if that isn't what you meen by being a programmer. Otherwise, you can mount your linux system under /usr/compat/linux, add linux_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf and run your linux binaries as they are.
And poke her, with the soft cushions!!!
not possible.. I updated last night and built it. This morning I updated it again. Now it actually says FreeBSD 4.6 RELEASE not RC #0.
November 25th.
AFAIK selected polling mode means that after an interupt the driver switches to poling mode to avoid the interrupt overhead.
Some of Donald Becker's linux driver have this feature.
This improves system stabillity and responsivenes under high nework loads, and avoides the so called 'livelock' where the system isn't hung but it is wasting so much time doing interupt handling that it can't do anything else.
This is a GOOD THING but it won't help much against DDOS
As of Postgres v6.2, time travel is no longer supported.
The fact that the mini iso as already there doesn't mean it had been officially released. A new version of FreeBSD is not officially out until the announcement is made. This is necessary because isos and files need to be mirrored before the load spike comes. For the rest of us, we just cvsup and don't really worry when it comes :-)
flynn@kajsa# uname -a
FreeBSD kajsa.energyhq.tk 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0: Sun Jun 16 14:08:54 CEST 2002 root@kajsa.energyhq.tk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KAJSA i386
# cd
# make install
# echo 'linux_enable="YES"' >>
Note that if you choose linux binary compatibility during installation, the above is done for you.
For some things (vmware) you may need to add linprocfs to
linux_base comes with rpm, et al. Rarely, you may need to copy some shared libraries from a linux box to the the appropriate directories under
Really, its easy. The FreeBSD handbook does a good job of explaining.
We are now accepting bets on whether or not Slashdot announces 4.7 before it is actually released and by how many days.
I JUST installed Suse 8, now this. I need another HD, that's all there is to it...
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
I installed 4.5 yesterday. Sigh.
My frustration grew last year proportionally with the time it took to make Linux 2.4 stable enough for production server use. It still makes me a bit nervous and I have decided to go for *BSD in future where possible.
However, since Linux got most of the hype, most *nix desktop stuff especially from commercial side like game companies is targeted for it. So it makes sense to use it on the desktop. Just keep your data on the servers
More experienced administrators: do you support this kind of dualism?
I think, therefore thoughts exist. Ego is just an impression.
You are correct. Mac OS X is built around Darwin, which is partly based on FreeBSD. See http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ for more details. Darwin is also available for x86-compatible computers, so it's not a Mac-only thing.
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Darwin is an evolutionary OS...
Come to the University of Mars! Classes starting soon!
No, BSD is not dead. Try OSX.
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Love it. Got Gnome running along with Aqua. Maybe KDE3 someday soon.
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What does price or freedom have to do with anything?
BSDi certainly wasn't free, but it sure was BSD and in some cases was well worth the price.
Thats like saying, "Thats not bread because it doesn't have a hard brown crust on it". You just haven't been paying attention to the breads which don't brown.
Rod Taylor
Does this mean I can run the MacOS on my x86?
Wherever you go, there you are!
If you use LILO, you can specify the kernel to reboot by:
lilo -R
reboot.
I have an "exp" config in my LILO, for experimental kernels before I move them off probation. So, when I have done my build and install, I just type
lilo -R exp && reboot
and there I go.
I don't know if Grub has anything similar.
www.eFax.com are spammers
There's a release engineering information page: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html
The information can be update and revised, though. Just to give you an idea.
just because you don't know how it's done, doesn't mean it's not possible.
It will, however, run Linux software! Here's how:
/usr/ports/emulators/linux_base /etc/rc.conf
/etc/fstab.
/usr/compat/linux/
# cd
# make install
# echo 'linux_enable="YES"' >>
Note that if you choose linux binary compatibility during installation, the above is done for you.
For some things (vmware) you may need to add linprocfs to
linux_base comes with rpm, et al. Rarely, you may need to copy some shared libraries from a linux box to the the appropriate directories under
Is this the version with the Hurd kernel, runs on computers with nanotube transistor technology, and comes with Duke-Nukem Forever bundled?
Or is that version 5.0?
I like linux, but if I can choose freely, there is nothing I would pick over a *bsd, most likely freebsd.
There is no linux distribution that is as mature and aimed for servers. Don't even start talking about the bloated linux 'server' editions... A minimal bsd install, the latest versions of the services you really need compiled by hand and optimized, and you're set.
Mind though: I really don't think there's such a big difference between freebsd and linux, each has its pro's and con's... It really doesn't matter that much. Just use the right tools for the job, it's all opensource anyway.
And you can build a very minimal Linux distro yourself too, if you want... It's all about freedom, if you want linux on workstations (because that's what most distro's aim at) and freebsd on servers, you do that. And it'll work.
I wish the 'x is better than y'-people would just shut up and use 'x' in silence. Or contribute, if they really have too much time and energy anyway.
It's not really free.
Do you have a point?
It's a pain in the [...] to add unofficial hardware support.
And this is different than Windows, The 190+ versions of GNU/Linux, BeOS etc la HOW?
There are problems with porting of Linux desktop software to Mac OS X. And it's not a multi-platform.
Talk to the bozos who write non-portable code. Writing code that is linux-only is different than writing code that is windows-only how?
If your goal it to be no better than Windows, writing non-portable code gets you there. Some people have higher goals in life.
Well. If you run the same distribution of linux everywhere, you're gonna be seriously screwed if there's some security problem / stability problem / whatever
If you _don't_ run the same distro everywhere, your argument about 'zoo' and 'mix of different systems' doesn't really matter, because different linux distro's can be as different as some linux distro's and *bsd. Compare slackware with freebsd, for instance. If your admins need training to work with your linux systems, they'll need it for every other distribution just as for bsd, so you save nothing.
And having different systems and people who _understand_ them is much more beneficial to your company in many ways, than cheap click-monkey admins who need gui's.
So why did you read the article... why did you bother to comment? Everything you wrote smells of asshole.
And I was looking forward to adding a 486/66 to my RC5 efforts! :^) (Hey, I need something to plug all my old ISA cards into.)
One line blog. I hear that they're called Twitters now.
But is it possible to "upgrade" from 4.4 to OpenBSD?
This
I'm assuming this comes with KDE3. Has anyone messed with installing the liquid theme on FreeBSD? I recall I gave it a half hearted attempt one day but something didn't work, and I got sidetracked and never bothered again.
And looking at the changelog I see they updated ls. How many decades has this been around and we're still messing with ls? The change seems to be rather handy though...
No. You can run Darwin, the "core" of OS X on your x86, but the Aqua interface, and really anything other than Darwin in OS X, is PPC only.
"Upon attaching the waterblock to my penis, I began to notice that I know nothing about computers." -- JRockway
Me too! Then I replaced the leather seats in my bmw with naugahyde.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
I like the one the AntiOffline crew made.
Anyways, Debian is great on servers. Don't take me wrong, I'm a consultant/administrator for many companies and I admin various Linuxes (Debian, Slack, Mandrake, even RedHat) and various BSDs and even Solaris. I don't see a great difference here. There are differences however. *BSD and Debian-stable are very very very stable. If you need raw computing power and have multiprocessor system, don't use BSD.
But I'm not such liberal on desktop. I bought IBM Thinkpad and installed FreeBSD 4.5. It just sucked completely. No national keyboard support because of old XFree (this is gone in 4.6), very bad support for hardware (Linmodem, soundcard). IBM has great support for Linux and I'm happy with Debian here yet. BSD just is not for desktop (yet).
FreeBSD is not stable. This is a legend. My company has a bunch of FreeBSD web servers, and they are crashing like hell.
Remove the keyboard, plug it in again, and it doesn't work any more, wow.
hardware issue. btw, i've seen this done a lot of times at one workplace on freebsd boxes -- no problems.
And no, FreeBSD isn't fast. The filesystem is damn slow, and unreliable, even with softupdates. And don't expect to have a
lot of files in the same directory, you would hurt it.
i hope that speed problem isn't the same old 'linux mounts filesystems async' issue. that's been beaten to death. and freebsd 4.6 has no problems with large numbers of files in a directory.
I just installed 5.0 yesterday. Sigh.
If my ISP charged by the MB for downloads I would be pissed that I downloaded 4.5 yesterday
http://Lenny.com
Good point. I use linux for my workstation and home servers. But when I ran an ISP, I used freebsd for my servers. I needed the stable uptime my bsd servers gave me. This was a few years ago, when linux was young. I have noticed my ISP and web hosting company both use linux. (Speakeasy and Bestwebhosting). They both have great uptimes with large loads. But all my friends who run ISPs still use freebsd or solaris.
Need to look past the FUD about any OS, and try it, make up your own mind.
The only problem I have with Bsd is broken ports, but I read on Openbsds site, they are going to do a full ports audit this year.
Not a BSD problem, but Nvidia only releases linux drivers, which are much faster than the stock bsd/linux drivers.
"Needless to say, I had our quad Xeons back running OpenBSD by the end of the week. Gerbil is back on its way to another glorious 3 years of uptime"
You mean the OpenBSD that doesn't do SMP yet??
Is this a cut and paste? Because I think I remember a story similar to this where again someone madeup a bunch of crap, and then stupidly said OpenBSd was running on their big SMP boxes.
And yes I am aware of the side project to try to bring smp to openbsd but that barely complies.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
LMAO
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
I had the same problem, even burned 4 copies of disc1 from a couple different mirrors, and I saw a suggestion from a while back about how to fix it. The fix involved adding a line to /boot/loader.conf, which is kinda hard to do on a cd boot. So, I tried the next step, setting the variable at boot time, and it worked.
/boot/loader.conf and all will be well. This is just a workaround, I think its something to do w/ the ata driver and some cdroms, but I could be wrong. All I know is it works, and others have had success w/ that fix.
At the bootloader prompt (Hit enter to continue or any other key for prompt), type:
set hw.ata.atapi_dma=1
boot
and it should install fine. Also, once installed and booted to it, before you try to read from a cd, add the line without 'set' to the
btw, do you have a AOpen 52x also?
.
If you mean the keyboard doesn't work anymore, then yes. This is a known thing.
If you want the keyboard (ps2) to work after pulling it out and plugging it in again, compile your kernel with the option
device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1
(which in the GENERIC kernel has an extra option flags 0x1, which shouldn't be present).
...and then there's Daemon News' Dixie
This is just another odd inconsistency in this guys posting. Unless of course the server only servers less then 10 clients at a time. :-)
http://saveie6.com/
I am planning to buy an smp system sometime this summer. I am eagerly awaiting FreeBSD 5 because of much better smp, Java, as well as some beta .net support that Microsoft is porting. I got into *bsd after I needed to install nat and linux looked just horrible and cryptic in regards to setting IP rules. Openbsd and Freebsd are so much easy to administer in regards to this and much more secure by default when you install them. RedHat is a joke. Anyway I heard FreeBSD 5 was suppose to come out last January so I have been waiting to buy my new system. My isp is putting a 3 gig transfer cap later this summer so I need it before August. After that I will switch to dial up. I believe 3 gig is maybe a 3 to 4 hour download at the most for a dam whole month! Boy, I hope they finish soon so I do not have to spend a lot of money buying the cd's.
http://saveie6.com/
time machine then?... Like i said... I got stable yesterday from CVSup and it wasn't 4.6 RELEASE... it still said RC #0. Unless you know some source tree I don't and did things in a non-standard way then you didn't have 4.6 RELEASE.
MacOSX is based on Next/OpenStep. NextStep is based on Mach, and Mach was taken from BSD 4.3.
The current Darwin/MacOSX uses a FreeBSD user land (maintaining compatiblity), some NetBSD innovations, and the Mach kernel. (If we use the logic of RMS, would Darwin be more accurately called FreeBSD/Mach--or for MacOSX, OpenStep-FreeBSD/Mach?)
Darwin is as much a BSD as is, say, Solaris...
On a releng_4_6 box:
# uname -a
FreeBSD gateway.home.ricin.net 4.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE #0:
On another box at -stable:
workstation# uname -a
FreeBSD workstation.home.ricin.net 4.6-RC FreeBSD 4.6-RC #0
It's only logical that the sec. branch of 4.6 would start with the release "patchlevel 0" :)
Could someone please explain the precise relationship between BSD and Darwin/MacOS X? I was at a job interview a few weeks back (tech support for a local college), and was asked what I knew about MacOS X. I told the guy that I hadn't used it yet, but that I understood it was BSD-based. He told me I was wrong, that it was Mach-based but ran BSD binaries. A quick visit to the Apple website indicates that it is a Mach kernel (held over from Apple aquiring NEXT) but also says it's a modified BSD 4.3. Could someone explain this? I assume this means that it includes all the utilities of BSD, but has a non-BSD kernel? IANAUG (I Am Not A UNIX Guru) and only have user experience with Solaris, and have hacked around with Linux and FreeBSD on my own machines, so maybe I'm missing something obvious here.
--All your stolen base are belong to Rickey Henderson
Linux compat is basically a set of RedHat rpms, and some layer over the BSD kernel that makes it able to talk with apps that expect a linux kernel. We had linux-6.1 and now we have 7.1. This refers to the RH version numbers.
Before that and after the 4.6-REL tagging took place it was a matter of compiling packages, putting ISOs together, etc. This part is all normal practice AFAIK and it's not unusual if it takes a week longer or so than anticipated.
Well, there's surely going to be some 4.7 vs 5.0 vs 4.8 confusion by then to add some spice to it :)
More stable, more upgradable, less bloted, cleaner designed.
So your consideration may include your company's model - what's your production site?
If all your business all around your website like Google, for example, I'd choose FreeBSD.
If your company's business does not require much web presence or does not have many servers
(like number crunching) - you need only some IT stuff, just stick to what your developers use - if they use the same OS.
And, possibly because I was still newbie enough to get into something new, I happened to like the somewhat hardcore but very straightforward and consistant way of configuring a BSD system.
I think I could have landed at Slack just as easily though.
(If we use the logic of RMS, would Darwin be more accurately called FreeBSD/Mach--or for MacOSX, OpenStep-FreeBSD/Mach?)
Wouldn't it just be GNU/MacOSX?
Aw, fuck it. Let's go bowling. - The Big Lebowski
Well, I use RPMs only upto the point I've finished OS installation. After that point - I use only tarballs. Source, if possible, or binary, if no source code (i.e. Java). ./configure --[option] - that's the tool you cannot compensate neither in BSD ports nor in
RPMs.
It doesn't mean I dislike BSD ports. It means that the worth of Linux benefits (better hardware and software support) is greater than the small benefits of BSD ports.
Conclusion: if you are a real sysadmin, smart and not lazy, Linux is your right choice.
Less is more !
Where's that anti-troll I saw the other week? It had the *BSD is dying text with suitable wordwrap and then altered to show the silhouet of Beastie in the text. It was.. well.. refreshing.
Ok... i am just stating the fact that *after* the announcement I have in /usr/src/UPDATING the fact that it was 4.6. not before. I also got some additional code updated but it was for some part of the kernel I wasn't concerned with [PCCARD or something]. It may have been *very close* to RELEASE but I still have doubts that its exactly the same :).
:).
At least we aren't fighting over BSD dying
Not only is Mac OSX a BSD version, the next Windows will be BSD.
http://www.uncoveror.com/windowsbsd.htm
The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
Only if you base it around GNU, nitwit.
There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
-- David D. Friedman
Last time I checked, supporting flat bed scanners and firewire wasnt anywhere in FreeBSD's target group of users.
I guess thats why MacOS X is so unpopular with mac users, right? and Mach is just so fucking popular.
then cd /usr/src
/usr/src/UPDATING.
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot
make installworld
I keep getting ERROR: Required smmsp user is missing, see
*** Error code 1
for make installworld.... help
mergemaster
This
You obviously haven't actually used FreeBSD then... USB is supported in the generic kernel, along with 802.11b, Gigabit Ethernet and SCSI RAID. There's no need for a journaling filesystem due to softupdates, you don't need end user books when you have the Handbook and helpful user support, and...
/usr/ports/graphics/sane-backends
/usr/ports/graphics/sane-frontends
/usr/ports/emulators/wine
/usr/ports/java/*
all seem to be in there last time I cvsupped, and many times before that. It's mostly all current versions too. Oh, and KDE 3.0.1 and GNOME2 beta both sit happily in the ports tree. Admittedly 1394 isn't in there, but by current standards it will be soon. I'm running 4.6.
What GNU software is there with the FreeBSD userland? I think you missed the rational.
i want to way something to the people swearing that *bsd is dying
i've copy pasted this article from march 25
it is a reply about the 7000th port in freebsd's port system. you can read it after.
after luigi rizzo inplemented the polling code in freebsd kernel freebsd is one of the fastest NOS (network operating system).
freebsd is never going to dye.
gees, yahoo use freebsd
in 1994 it started with p133mhz freebsd and 'yahoo.com' and now it is a giant.
ipfw with dummynet is more human than any ipchains/iptables/ipfwadm + cbq for linux
altq and fair queueing are implemented in the kernel and works with no problem.
the new ipfw tehnology (writen by luigi rizzo) will rule the world. it have ethernet filters, and many features (like tos matching).
it operates GREAT with 802.1q (vlans) and bridgeing even vlan bridgeing (available with mihail balikov's patch).
who told you that *bsd will die?
it will never DIE! untill the freebsd team goes for money. but i am happy because some company offered to sponsor the freebsd team to rewrite the tcp api but they refused because 10 more years NO money will be used to write freebsd code.
IT IS ALIVE.
It is official - Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
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