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Klez: a closer look

sheriff_p writes "Anyone recieving even a small amount of email is likely to have encountered Klez varients of some form in the last few months - Message Labs shows it as being the biggest email-transmitted virus of all time by some way. So just how boring is it? Virus Bulletin has an indepth look at what makes Klez tick." And today alone, Klez virus e-mails were 90% of my e-mail by bytecount. YAY Outlook!

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  1. Nice article by stevenbee · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I appreciate the fact that they acknowledge the role played by social engineering as a vector.
    As I have tried to explain to my more gullible user-friends, a little crankiness goes a long way
    towards virus protection!

    : )

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    1. Re:Nice article by __aakpxi9117 · · Score: 1

      Knowledge, and technology goes much further.

      Here is the howto I wrote, which allows anyone to never get a virus, or a single piece of spam again.
      http://slashdot.org/~ryancooley/journal/9467

  2. biggest of all time? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
    "Message Labs shows it as being the biggest email-transmitted virus of all time by some way"

    From what I have seen, I agree with this. Klez has arrived more times in my inbox than all other worms/trojans/etc combined. The other ones I see (saw) most often are MyParty and Hybris (Dwarf4u). What distributions are other people seeing?

    1. Re:biggest of all time? by frodo-nl · · Score: 1

      While I have seen Klez in my inbox a few times, lately I see Yaha-E all the time. (Seems right now, Yaha-E is the biggest in the Netherlands - one wonders what the maker has against us poor Dutchies... *G*)

    2. Re:biggest of all time? by back@slash · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally I get the enlarge your penis by up to three inches distribution quite a bit. I'm thinking a lot of my male associates must have some ... errr deficiencies... that they keep opening that particular email up and spreading it to me.

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    3. Re:biggest of all time? by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      KlezH@mm

      lots of different delivery methods.. same annoying virus.

      lately I've been seeing HiGuy and a little Yaha, and the old classic magistrB.

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    4. Re:biggest of all time? by flippet · · Score: 1

      I agree... I get the virus notifications from everyone on our network; recently that's 233 Klez-G, 7 Klez-H and a very brief spurt of Yaha_E just recently. Klez is miles ahead...

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    5. Re:biggest of all time? by flippet · · Score: 1

      ...and whilst I type that, 234...

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    6. Re:biggest of all time? by ergo98 · · Score: 2

      I'm getting various Klez emails in my Hotmail at the rate of about 6 a day : Clearly these viruses are scanning the newsgroups as they are not coming from people I know or converse with (I use my Hotmail account as a reply for newsgroup postings, so I get about 60 spams a day). I find it humorous, and of the potential for conspiracy theorists, that shortly after Hotmail started selling memberships for expanded storage space, I started getting a warning every 2 days or so about running out of space : Of course I'd check my account to find that 90% of the space suckage were various Klez viruses (which Hotmail does not, at least up until yesterday, filter out. Again, warm up the conspiracy machine...).

      It should be noted that only a small proportion of the messages contain "Klez" in the subject. I've seen it with subject lines that seem faintly related to newsgroups that I've posted in : SQL Server terms, HTML phrases, CSS selectors, etc.

    7. Re:biggest of all time? by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Again, warm up the conspiracy machine..."

      MSFT's strategy is brilliant because they stand to gain from having crappy spam and virus blocking. The users with the 2MB account will never be able to keep up with the spam/virii so they will either leave the service (saving MSFT money) or pay for extra storage (making MSFT money.) I say these storage warnings are indeed well planned out and deliberate -- It is a win-win situation for MSFT.

    8. Re:biggest of all time? by Hassan79 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I got only two in the last 4 months. BadTrans came more often.

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  3. Follow the Yellow Klez road. by tcd004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Klez has been great for my company! We just classify every copy of Klez we receive as "corporate acquistion of capital" and assign it a monetary value. We've got 6.2 billion in Klez inventory baby!

    But seriously...127K seems to be the magic number for Klez.
    So couldn't a filter simply be set up to block all emails 127k in size?

    tcd004

    1. Re:Follow the Yellow Klez road. by jandrese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe we should start doing that for all mail trojans? I know I'd be thrilled to discover that man of various random sizes might disappear at my mail filter because it just happens to be the same size as a worm. Seems to me it'd be better just to block the worm directly...oops, many companies already do this.

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    2. Re:Follow the Yellow Klez road. by jd142 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Um, that sort of security is just stupid and provides a false sense of security. If you were being sarcastic, I missed it. What happens when klez mutates into a slightly different size?

      True story: I was helping a user send out emails to a group of students. Her subject was "Important message about your scholarship." She kept getting messages back that the mail was infected with the Melissa virus. Well, she wasn't sending any attachments, so I thought we had a variant that piggybacked on outgoing mail messages. I searched her machine. I moved her to a different machine and searched it. Same thing. I re-imaged a machine. Same thing.

      I also couldn't figure out where it was being caught. The message wasn't coming from our server because the infected message wasn't the same.

      I traced it back to the main university's mail servers. So I called them up and told them that their anti-virus software was catching a virus that we couldn't find and could they tell us what they were using. They said they weren't using anti-virus scanning software.

      Turns out some bright bulb had written a perl script that flagged every outgoing message with a subject that contained "Important message" as being infected with the Melissa virus.

      A half a day wasted trying to track down a non-existant virus. And as soon as the Melissa virus changed its subject line, the script would let it through. What a joke.

    3. Re:Follow the Yellow Klez road. by jandrese · · Score: 2

      I think you missed the point. When I said block the worm directly, I'm talking about those filters that scan attachements and look for the worm itself. If it finds the worm attached to your messages, it cleans off the worms and warns the sender that they may be infected. Sometimes they just drop the message entirely. Your admin should be dopeslapped for writing such a bonehead script, but that doesn't mean that proper filtering is useless. It's certainly better than just discarding every 127k message, especially as the size of the bogus message isn't always the same.

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    4. Re:Follow the Yellow Klez road. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But seriously...127K seems to be the magic number for Klez.
      So couldn't a filter simply be set up to block all emails 127k in size?


      I think the response was intended for this guy. Take a chill pill and relax.

  4. That is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Can you imagine if Klez infected a Beowulf Cluster?

    1. Re:That is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, you ported the beowulf system to some other os??

  5. At least the klez authors... by tcm614ce · · Score: 1

    ....made the messages easy to filter:

    If Subject contains "klez" move to folder "garbages"!

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  6. Re:Stupid Address Books by doctor_oktagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Encryption doesn't solve anything if the method of opening the address book is the point of failure.

    i.e. the virus doesn't raw-read the address file, it uses the Outlook API to look it up on it's behalf, just like any other program.

    Hence, the fact the address book file is now encrypted does not stop the virus using it.

    You dig? ;-)

  7. No One Loves Me... by Carrot007 · · Score: 1


    I havn't recieved a e-mail virus in about a year.
    Boo Hoo ;-)

    Carrot007.

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    1. Re:No One Loves Me... by flippet · · Score: 1

      I'm sure people wouldn't mind passing on theirs if you ask nicely... :)

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  8. Re:Stupid Address Books by Quietust · · Score: 2

    Perhaps I'm missing something, but how would encrypting the address book help?
    It's not like the virus is accessing raw binary data from the address book; more than likely it's using some sort of API call to get the data.

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  9. Re: YAY Outlook! by prof187 · · Score: 1

    I should really hope it's sarcasm. If I were the one saying it, it would be with a very sarcastic voice, anyway. Outlook itself should just be considered a virus.

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  10. Already slashdotted! by stere0 · · Score: 1

    This is really from the looking-at-PURE-EVIL dept. Or maybe they got hit by a virus.

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    1. Re:Already slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      need a mirror?

  11. More to do with admin set up. by CountBrass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We use outlook and exchange server where I work. Never, ever, seen a virus in the two and a half years I've worked here. Why ? because the admins know what they're doing and catch all the viruses before they ever get anywhere near us delicate users. I'm not an especial fan of MS (I'm a bastion of Java in a sea of MS where I work) but all the sniping at Outlook is just bs. People target outlook and other MS products because it's popular. I mean, why bother writing a virus that targets some system only a couple of geeks ever run ? The key factor is competent admins, properly configuring and defending the systems they're responsible for.

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    1. Re:More to do with admin set up. by prof187 · · Score: 1

      Not to be a shameless Linux promoter, but it seems that to a point, most of the people who are competent admins are running Linux servers, and not MS. Note that this does not insist that all competent users are running Linux, or that all users running Linux are competent.

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    2. Re:More to do with admin set up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be a shameless Linux promoter, but it seems that to a point, most of the people who are competent admins are running Linux servers, and not MS.

      There are probably as many, if not more, competant admins running MS as Linux. The problem, of course, is that there are a LOT more incompetant admins running MS than Linux, especially since every single home user of Win9x is the admin of their box, whether they know it or not. I think the only way MS will reduce the number of hits people see from Outlook/IE/IIS-targeted worms/virii is by proliferation of their automatic update utilities and integration of that into Office. Windows/Office Update are useful to their own degrees, but as long as the end-user has to click on the link in their start menu to do it, they're simply not going to do it very often (and then complain about how long it takes when they're downloading months worth of updates at a time). At least with the automatic updates in XP (and retrofitted into Win9x/2k), the average users don't even notice much of anything going on with their systems and are protected (and protecting the rest of us) from the spread of these things to some degree.

    3. Re:More to do with admin set up. by autechre · · Score: 5, Informative


      Not all of the complaints about Outlook are "bs". Certainly, a lot of people seem to like the interface. This is one point that has probably kept it on users' desktops.

      However, it will randomly refuse to work with perfectly functional IMAP servers. Some people have had it delete everything in their inbox. And many aspects of its design make it an easy target for virus writers. Up until recently, even if you knew what you were doing and wanted to, you couldn't prevent Outlook from displaying HTML (and everything associated with it, such as Javascript and Web bugs). It's gotten a bit more difficult to have it automatically execute attachments, but apparently not difficult enough. (In all fairness, it should be pointed out that a large section of the population would simply execute those attachments themselves anyway).

      It's easy to say that you're safe at work. You're sitting behind various filters set up by competant administrators. But many people at home don't have that option. If an ISP started filtering out attachments by file type, many would doubtless scream bloody murder. Home users are the main problem here (not that it's necessarily their fault). In an unprotected environment, Outlook still makes it too easy for virus writers, and while I would love to be in a world where everyone was shielded by competent admins (hello big job market for me!), we currently aren't.

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    4. Re:More to do with admin set up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How does this shine a better light on MS Outlook/Exchange? More likely your Anti Virus software is doing most of the work for you. The holes are still there in your software.

      .forsight

    5. Re:More to do with admin set up. by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      People target outlook and other MS products because it's popular.

      Outlook is targeted because it's the only email client that anyone has ever heard of (probably the only email client in the history of the world) that executed a script mailed to it, without user interaction. (Yes, that has been fixed, but it's still in people's heads.) It's also the only email client I've seen (though probably not the only on in history in history) that will allow a user to execute an attached script just by clicking on it. Traditionally, email clients aren't desktop shells; they might go to the trouble to display static attachments such as pictures, but executing scripts is way over the line. Traditionally, if you want to execute an attachment, you have to save it and execute it seperately. A sane and responsible software designer would never entertain such an idea for more than a few seconds. Microsoft did.

      Outlook's reputation is deserved. You're lucky your mail is so well filtered by good Admins, because as an Outlook user, you would be in unusual danger without those Admins.

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    6. Re:More to do with admin set up. by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Hehe, but here geeks are part of the problem. Let me exlain. I consider myself a quite decent sysadmin. I keep my server up to date, check the logs, have quite paranoid security... I'm pretty sure it's not been broken into.

      However, thanks to me many of my friends run web servers on Linux too. Some of them have very little idea of how to keep it reasonably secure and have very little experience. On the other hand, it's better than running Xitami on a personal computer, I guess.

      If Linux becomes very popular expect a small population of geeks like I getting all their friends to install Apache. Then we'll have a situation almost like in Windows.

    7. Re:More to do with admin set up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does this shine a better light on MS Outlook/Exchange? More likely your Anti Virus software is doing most of the work for you. The holes are still there in your software.

      because last time I checked, Exchange/Outlook never claimed to be an anti-virus software; anyone care to prove me wrong?

      Also, its quite easy to set up a virus-proof email environment with MS products; buy a modern anti-virus program. All the major current ones support MAPI, and there are tons of programs that will scan email attachments on incoming email for Exchange.

      Long story made short- if you are an Exchange admin who doesnt have your head up your rear end, you dont have a problem.

      Any further complaints are just linux/mac users with market share penis envy- it has been abundantly proven that your OS's arent bulletproof either; its just that every angst-riddled teenager blames Microsoft for all the problems in the world. I predict more and more security holes being exposed in linux in the coming years as it gains in popularity. Mac users are safer, since most people only try to hack computers. Infecting an iLamp doesnt seem as manly.

  12. 90%? really? by gray+code · · Score: 1

    And today alone, Klez virus e-mails were 90% of my e-mail by bytecount.

    Are you really getting that many hits from Klez? Does anyone else have this problem? I have 4 email accounts that all see a fair amount of activity, and I've only gotten a couple of Klez hits in the last month... I think Hemos must be the target of the an underground Kluz spreading cult or something.

  13. Why use an address book anyway? by scrm · · Score: 1

    OK maybe this is totally off the wall but I don't really see the point of using an address book anyway. Most of the time you're replying to a mail, or writing to someone whose address you know (come on geeks, who can't remember a handful of e-mail addresses?). And no address book = no klez.

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    1. Re:Why use an address book anyway? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      You'll see the value once you start to make more friends. Especially if your friends have ugly email addresses on a variety of providers. Besides, there's an easier way to avoid spreading virusues than avoiding your addressbook: just avoid Outlook.

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  14. Good way to filter UCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Set up an E-Mail address at your domain, called something like:

    ignoreme@example.net

    and publish it on your webpage, as an address for UCE only, and ask people not to send correspondence to it.

    Then, filter all E-Mail received in your other mail boxes, against all of the mail received by ignoreme, and any that matches, delete.

    1. Re:Good way to filter UCE by HiQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dear Sir,

      I don't know how you know my E-mail address, but thanks to you the spam will arrive in huge amounts
      if readers were to follow this example. Now I have get myself a new address.

      Sincerest,

      ignoreme@example.net

    2. Re:Good way to filter UCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Schrodinger petshop is closed due to unforeseen circumstances

      No its not, its open! Let me go check...

    3. Re:Good way to filter UCE by JimDabell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      example.net is guaranteed not to exist - that's why he used that domain in his example. And yes, I know you were joking, but a lot of people don't know this.

    4. Re:Good way to filter UCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This sounds like a good suggestion, but why not make a community effort and use something like:

      http://razor.sourceforge.net ?

      SpamAssissin (http://spamassassin.taint.org/) uses this approach.

      David

    5. Re:Good way to filter UCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would have been a good suggestion 3-4 years ago.

      Too bad that a lot of spammers nowadays go through the effort to change each mail they send (if only just by a message counter in the from address or something), to avoid bots that are on the lookout for spammers: they want to send out as many as they can before they're detected.

  15. Re:Stupid Address Books by Vanders · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, yes they could do that. I'm sure everyone will feel safe for a couple of months, until the encryption is broken, or a loophole is discovered. Then it will be back to square one.

    It would appear that a more long term solution would be to remove scripting! I have yet to see a use of scripting used within an email that could not be done if Microsoft removed scripting from Outlook. The only thing anyone ever uses is the ability to add buttons to the top of the email. You do not need a turing complete scripting language that can open sockets and read the address book to do that.

    Then again, baubles and shiny things make managers with budgets happy, I guess.

  16. Defenition of unpopular... by karot · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is when even viruses don't send you mail :-(

    Steve ;-)

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  17. dude ? by Gabber+Piet · · Score: 0

    You mean "gabberrrr"

  18. Re:Stupid Address Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It would only help if the addresses were encrypted with a one-way hash ;)

  19. Hemos, CmdrTaco by Lxy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Silly question:

    Whenever Hemos or CmdrTaco posts about a Windows virus, they always end with "yadda yadda 90% of my e-mail yadda...". How is it that you can run the #1 geek news site and still have e-mail viruses infaltrating your inbox? Is it that much trouble to install MIMEDefang? If you'd like, I'll offer up my services as a consultant to install virus scanning software on your e-mail server, since you two obviously can't figure it out, but I hope that isn't neccesary.

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    1. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to think that virus scanning software is a "necessity". It shouldn't be. The underlying systems should be secure instead.

    2. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative
      They still have to download the crap before they can filter it, right? How do you know that they aren't filtering it all out and aren't looking at a report that says "Filtered e-mail: 90% Klez, 9% Spam, 0.45% Troll, 0.45% Flamebait, 0.05% Stupid, 0.04% Real, 0.02% Complaints About Slashdot Math"?

      Maybe Hemos came up with the figure by checking his e-mail and watching as 90% of it was filtered into the bitbucket. Maybe he still filters it by hand - regardless, when a massive collection of your inbox is junk, you still have to watch it go through the filter. (Well, OK, not always - there are filter setups where you don't see it, but let's not get too technical, alright?)

      The bottom line is this: they may filter it, but they still have to deal with the incoming bytes in some way. The "90%" figure probably comes from either a filter report, or from watching the data be filtered if they're using client-based filtering. Just because they know that 90% of their incoming e-mail is crap doesn't mean they manually sort it.

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    3. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Clue4All · · Score: 1

      So rather than filtering viruses at the server when they are received, you'd rather have them propogated to thousands of users and hope they're secure? That's intelligent.

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    4. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by quantaman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah but if all the viruses are gone the spam won't have anything to keep it company :)

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    5. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by spitzak · · Score: 2

      I'd like to know exactly what logic you use to equate "filtered" with "didn't get it in the first place".

    6. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 0, Redundant
      "Filtered e-mail: 90% Klez, 9% Spam, 0.45% Troll, 0.45% Flamebait, 0.05% Stupid, 0.04% Real, 0.02% Complaints About Slashdot Math"?

      Uh, I'm gonna assume that that was a joke since it adds up to more than 100%. Still, if it was true slashdot math, it would add up to a negative percentage.

    7. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Alsee · · Score: 2

      and still have e-mail viruses infaltrating your inbox? Is it that much trouble to install MIMEDefang

      If you instal MIMEDefang your mailbox will still fill up with virii that get sent to you, they'll just be "defanged".

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    8. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by _xeno_ · · Score: 1
      Actually, it adds to (-99.93)% - or are you new here? :P

      (Yes, it's a joke - as is this. Although this one isn't quite as subtle.)

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    9. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Actually, it adds to (-99.93)% - or are you new here? :P "

      No, I just take everything deathly seriously and when I make a joke, usually I'm the only one that gets it. It's a curse. (Seriously, look at my UID# and number of posts, I have been around for a little while.)

    10. Re:Hemos, CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Actually, it adds to (-99.93)% - or are you new here? :P "

      No, Canada boy is just a moron that posts whatever comes out of his ass. Seriously, look how many posts he has.

  20. Question by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Informative
    Unless I'm misreading this, isn't the major thing about this virus that it runs automatically using an IE exploit?

    I mean, that the whole going through your contacts/sent items list and mailing them is all very well, but I can write some perl that does that with your Pine folders easily enough.

    I posted an article a while ago on this but it was rejected. It's a Wired article entitled "The Great MS Patch Nobody Uses". Granted it is Microsoft's fault this stupid stupid exploit happened in the first place, but it's also interesting to note that the fix for 80% of these problems have been available for over a year virtually unnoticed.

    And finally, if you're running procmail then:

    :0 B
    * Content-Disposition: attachment
    * name=.*\.(com|exe|pif|scr|bat|lnk|shf|vbs)
    {
    # Stick it somewhere
    :0 B:
    /home/accountname/mail/viruses
    }

    does a pretty good job of filtering out that sort of junk.

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    1. Re:Question by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Granted it is Microsoft's fault this stupid stupid exploit happened in the first place, but it's also interesting to note that the fix for 80% of these problems have been available for over a year virtually unnoticed.
      Oh, it has been noticed. But unfortunately, it breaks more then it fixes, 'normal' (as in /real/ normal, not this "open up the word document in the e-mail thing") attachment use is broken beyond belief. Attachments get randomly locked, certain file associations get wiped out across the system. The reason why no one downloads it is because it breaks more then it fixes. I rolled it out on two machines as a test run and they had nothing but complaints, jst to see how bad it was I downloaded it onto my machine and i nearly pulled all my hair out trying to repair what I had before that this nasty patch wiped out. Not fun. I had to reinstall Lookout on every machine that got it and applied their "lite" version of their patch included in the Office Service Pack which had most of the anal restrictions removed.
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    2. Re:Question by indiigo · · Score: 2, Informative

      That "great MS patch" does not block a significant variety of HTML and js born code. There have been about 7 exploits each on 2002 and 2000 that work on Outlook messages if html is enabled, regardless of that patch. They were just patched last month, in fact.

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    3. Re:Question by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      Bah. Patch distribution is *part* of the designer's responsibility. If there are a lot of vulnerable systems out there, it doesn't matter that there's a patch out if the vendor did a poor job of notification or whatever.

      You can't say "well, I have a bunch of holes, but I made a patch, so the fact that I put out tons of vulnerable systems and 95% of them are still vulnerable doesn't count".

  21. Re: YAY Outlook! by Misch · · Score: 2

    Well, you know the HTML specs, when a browser sees a tag it doesn't recognize, it *should* just ignore them. Obviously, your browser doesn't recognize the tag yet ;-)

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  22. No Problems Here by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am an avid Outlook user, I love the ease of use, and all the features. I have received like 2 viruses in my whole time using my computer. Maybe I'm just unpopular, or I just use virus protection with hueristics scanning. Or maybe my Microsoft based Email Server actually does a pretty decent job of blocking all the crap from flowing down the pipe. I agree with another post in that kiddies write virii for Outlook cuz everyone uses it. Hense M$'s Market Share. If everyone used pine, it would be Pine Bashing time. Now Mod me down now because I flamed LInux like you always do.

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    1. Re:No Problems Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If i had mod points today I would mod you up +1 interesting. Not enough people realize that a properly administrated Exchange server is a thing of beauty.

      May true peace and happiness find you always my moderator friends.

    2. Re:No Problems Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod you down because you are ignorant. outlook is not targeted because its the most used. it is targeted because it has soo many holes. it having a large market share only makes it more likely to be exploited. but it still remains the fact that it has soo many holes

    3. Re:No Problems Here by IndependentVik · · Score: 0

      Now Mod me down now because I flamed LInux like you always do.

      I don't always flame linux. What are you talking about?

      *rimshot*

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    4. Re:No Problems Here by spitzak · · Score: 2
      You were infected with 2 viruses? That's not something to brag about.

      If you mean you just saw two viruses, then that means you are not receiving any. I would be much more impressed if you said you received thousands of viruses, but that you have proof that Outlook de-fanged or filtered them.

    5. Re:No Problems Here by WellHungYungWun · · Score: 0

      Only 2 have successfully made it throught the filter, Symantec Corporate AV made short work of them. They were Nimda and Code Red. They made it in via web mail when I later tracked down wher it came from. Hence, we locked out all area webmail websites, and most major webmail sites.(hotmail, webmail, yahoo, etc). Up to date patches and dats will take you far in the crusade against Virii.

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      "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero."
    6. Re:No Problems Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pine has had its share of viruses and vulnerabilities, back when it was the dominant mail client. But because of the way it was written, and the operating systems it typically ran on, it was never that bad. Actually, the old skool viruses were infinitely more complex and subtle than their modern descendents.

    7. Re:No Problems Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quoted from the parent post (that you didn't read, in spite of replying) -

      "I have received like 2 viruses in my whole time using my computer." [my emphasis]

      Note that word. Note that it is NOT "infected".

    8. Re:No Problems Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, some glasses, you can use them.
      -(00)-

      Now put them on and go READ that message you replied to.

  23. Re: YAY Outlook! by back@slash · · Score: 1

    I was just making a simpsons quote. I thought it was a little funny when it first popped into my brain and when i loaded slashdot up in my browser and saw that there were comments yet for this article, I felt compelled to post something.

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  24. Klez nightmare by pubjames · · Score: 2


    This article is very timely for me. I had never received an email virus until about a week ago. Now I get Klez virtually every day.

    Fortunately I look the descision a long time ago not to use Outlook as my email client (I use Eudora). However, Klez is still a nightmare because it can randomly choose an address for the "From:" field from the computer it has infected, which means that if someone you know gets infected, you can get irate emails from people telling you not to send them viruses!

    Nightmare.

    1. Re:Klez nightmare by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Yea, that really bugs me too. We get probably a couple of hate e-mails a day just because our address was in their "from" field. They didn't bother to look at the header. Oh well....0-(

  25. Some geeks actually have jobs... by cnelzie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...that require semi-regular contact with many people. Personally, I am the IT Manager and Corporate Buyer for the company that I work for.

    Small company, so I wear a few hats. Anyway, I have a fairly decent sized Address book that contains virtually all of the vendors that I have to deal with, business contacts at both client sites as well as my geek contacts that let me bounce ideas off of them.

    Sure, if you are a "house-geek" or a college geek, you probably only have a small number of people to E-mail. (Mostly your 3733t friends and such.) However, once you hit the "real" world you find that your boundless memory actually has a few boundries.

    -.-

    --
    If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
    1. Re:Some geeks actually have jobs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not to mention people like myself that can't remember the exact spelling of everyone's name all the time. The corporate email address book is a godsend considering that everyone's email address is firstname.lastname@companyname.com. I know that with the spelling of my name very few people in the company could get an email to me without the address book.

    2. Re:Some geeks actually have jobs... by frodo-nl · · Score: 1
      I know that with the spelling of my name very few people in the company could get an email to me without the address book.

      Hmm... Is Anonymous that hard to spell? ;)

  26. Re:Stupid Address Books by mpe · · Score: 2

    If Microsoft would just do good encrypting on the address book, and update it every once and a while for new encryption, stuff like this wouldn't happen because the virii wouldn't be able to get the addresses of every person using Outlook.

    Unless every use of the address book required the user to enter a key then this would do nothing especially useful. Since a virus could easily decrypt the data, assuming it even needed to.

    At the least, this would slow a virus down.

    Only if the encryption was complex enough that decrypting the data too a long period of time...

  27. What would it take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    to create a massive-scale Klez style worm (well, without the porn thing), more infectuous than any before, that as its payload-- right after shipping itself off to everyone in the address books and sent mail folder and such-- disabled Outlook Express's ability to run scripts or e-mail attachments? Then this would be ended once and for all.

    I am honestly not kidding. Outlook Express is dense and complex, but still: if a few people who were very good at disassembly spent some time going over the various versions, do you think that they could create an Outlook "patch" that would
    1. Disable scripting in the Outlook html renderer, and remove the option to turn it back on
    2. Insert a feature that would pop up a dialog box (warning that executable attatchments are unsafe even if from a trusted source) whenever the user attempted to open an attatched executable
    Then we just plop this patch in as the sole payload on a new e-mail worm, and let it spread. This would, of course, be a massive project, but just think of the satisfaction value.
    Uncovering a major security hole in Windows XP: Undisclosed sum in hush money from MS.
    Reverse-engineering the XBox "copy protection": $200,000 from an anonymous donor.
    Knowing that your Outlook worm will be the final one to ever swamp the globe: Priceless.
    1. Re:What would it take by dzym · · Score: 2
      So all you'd have to do is take the MS patch for this already RELEASED, and write a worm that automatically applies the patch.

      Brilliant. Sheer brilliance.

    2. Re:What would it take by SpelledBackwards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      These are nicknamed "White Worms" (like white magic, which is a helpful form of magic), but the problem is that they're still viruses/worms that exploit security holes and waste companies' bandwidth (remember how Nimda and CodeRed really put a strain on lots of servers?) If you wrote one of these and spread it, companies would still try and sue you, and law enforcement agencies would still prosecute you.

    3. Re:What would it take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      companies would still try and sue you, and law enforcement agencies would still prosecute you.

      Dude, i don't care :) I'm not doing this to Do the Right Thing or help humanity or whatever, i'm doing it for the selfish reason i'm sick of Outlook worms.

      Of course, i also don't know the first thing about disassembly or patching things. I don't even own windows. So i won't be doing anything. But, had i the ability, and i released such a worm, it would be anonymously :)

      Still, this isn't a matter of ethics. Of course white worms are still worms, and still destructive. The point is, unlike, say, Code Red, the destructiveness here is a one-time event because reinfection is impossible. And i don't care if that makes it morally acceptable or not, because i don't care THAT much about the people being infected. I just want them to stop spamming me with pif files.

      Of course, you would have to be really fricking careful when writing the worm to ensure reinfection is impossible. Maybe a better way to do it, becuase it would work across all versions of outlook, would be to just make it so any attempt to open Outlook results in a dialog box saying "Your machine is open to viruses. Download this update from Microsoft.."

    4. Re:What would it take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:What would it take by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or free will apparently.

  28. Re:Stupid Address Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If Microsoft would just do good encrypting on the address book, and update it every once and a while for new encryption, stuff like this wouldn't happen because the virii wouldn't be able to get the addresses of every person using Outlook. At the least, this would slow a virus down.

    Ummm... If anyone updated Outlook and IE within the last year or so this thing wouldn't spread at all. One of the primary vulnerabilities exploited was patched in March of last year, and Outlook itself filters out the worm if it's been updated to sp2 for Outlook2k or the default install for OutlookXP.

  29. The Difference In Receipt Rates Is In the User by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My wife and I both use Outlook for all of our email. Neither of us have ever been infected by the virus because we've kept up with updates to Outlook that block you from opening programs (and we know better).

    She receives several copies a day of the Klez virus. I've never received it despite having about the same overall email traffic.

    I think that the difference lies in who we know. I'm a Computer Engineer and she's a counselor. Thus, the average individual with my email address is a lot more computer savvy than those with her email address.

    1. Re:The Difference In Receipt Rates Is In the User by pubjames · · Score: 2

      She receives several copies a day of the Klez virus. I've never received it despite having about the same overall email traffic.

      I think the problem is that it just takes one person that you know to have this virus and not know about it.

    2. Re:The Difference In Receipt Rates Is In the User by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you married a counselor? she must be some mean dick sucker...

  30. Re:90%? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Psst.. hemos runs a large, popular website. He is "famous".

    This means that unlike the rest of us, lots and lots of disparate people all over the world have emailed Hemos in the past.

    This means that Hemos is in the Outlook history of lots and lots of people.

    This means that Hemos is going to get hit by Klez way more often than most people.

  31. maybe you should switch to linux :P by kennedy · · Score: 1

    i still find it funny that all the guys who run this site...

    use windows on thier desktop.

    tisk tisk.

    1. Re:maybe you should switch to linux :P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i thought it was funny too..... be free

  32. Re:90%? really? by AVee · · Score: 1

    The amount of virusses recieved by a certain user has a strong relation with the amount of friends or enemies that run outlook one has. A true nerd will never give his email adress to anybody who uses MS software, so he will hardly see any viruses, however, some people have a social life wich involves normal people as well (yes, really!), so they are very likely to receive this type of viruses.

    Also note that the percentage is much higher when one recieves just one email (spam, most likely) per week because he has no friends at all.

  33. Re:Stupid Address Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would appear that a more long term solution would be to remove scripting!

    hmm... isn't that what MS did? Outlook2k SR-1 Update

    Seems to me that every virus/worm that's managed to find it's way to my email clients on Windows have arrived as empty messages once Outlook2k/XP got done stripping the scripting from them.

  34. Once more, with feeling by Matey-O · · Score: 2

    1. set up mail filter to punt any attachments to .jpg, .gif, .txt, .zip 2. There is no step two.

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  35. Re:Stupid Address Books by Vanders · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nearly. It doesn't go far enough, IMHO. Active Scripting is still there, but Microsoft have increased the security restrictions, and done some of the more obvious stuff (Like adding warning dialog boxes under certain circumstances, stripping obviously infected attachements etc.)

    Scripting is still there, however. How much do you trust that there is not Yet Another Security Loophole in there somewhere?

    The fact remains that if there is no scripting at all in Outlook, it will make it impossible for worms to spread themselves via. Outlook.

  36. YAY OUTLOOK? by trueimage · · Score: 1

    How about YAY USER ERROR! I have NEVER gotten a virus in my life, and I have three email accounts all going through outlook. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to avoid them. Hell, I don't even have a virus scan installed.. I check once a month or so using an online scan.

    On another note, just push your mail providers to install a virus scanner on ther mailer daemon side... my school recently did this and it seems to be working very well.

    1. Re:YAY OUTLOOK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know you don't have one if you don't have a virus checker? Perhaps you have a virus which runs in the background and YOU've never noticed it.
      How would you know?
      Only way you would know if someone who has a virus checker complains or someone recognises the virus, or someting weird happends.

      Perhaps that's why your computer crashes (or perhaps even doesn;t crash anymore ;) )

    2. Re:YAY OUTLOOK? by uebernewby · · Score: 2

      just push your mail providers to install a virus scanner on ther mailer daemon side..

      Not necessarily something a provider wants to do. For starters, scanning thousands upon thousands of incoming e-mails puts a heavy strain on the servers. More importantly, however, is that by doing so a provider implicitly admits legal responsibility for what their users are doing on their systems. If you can read through users' e-mails to determine if they're infected with a virus, Big Bad Government is going to come in to ask you to scan for evidence of illegal actions as well.

      For this reason, my employer has, for now, decided to forego server side virus scanning, and I pretty much would agree with him.

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    3. Re:YAY OUTLOOK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'd love to run a virus scanner on our mail server. We haven't been able to find one that will work.

      I'd love to run a virus scanner on my linux box - but they're all bloody expensive (the makers seem to assume that it will only be run on a big commercial site - the prices start at approximately $300).

    4. Re:YAY OUTLOOK? by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      toncho/~ apt-cache search virus
      clamav - powerful anti-virus scanner for Unix.
      mailscanner - An email virus scanner and spam tagger.
      renattach - Rename attachments on the fly.
      sanitizer - The Anomy Mail Sanitizer - an email virus scanner
      xbill - Get rid of those Wingdows Viruses!
      amavis-exim - Interface between MTA and virus scanner.
      amavis-milter - Interface between MTA and virus scanner.
      amavis-postfix - Interface between MTA and virus scanner.
      scannerdaemon - virus scanner written in Java
      virussignatures - virus signatures for ScannerDaemon

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  37. /. -ed by nnnneedles · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Oh no! That Klez article has been attacked by the Slashdot virus!

    .

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  38. slashdot loves you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    May true peace and happiness find you Carrot007.

  39. A question by pubjames · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I receive emails with the Klez virus attached, that means someone I know is probably infected, doesn't it?

    In which case (since the From: field is not necessarily indicative of who it came from) how can I find out who it came from so that I can tell them that they're infected?

    1. Re:A question by diametrag · · Score: 1

      You can't. That's the whole point.

    2. Re:A question by Cyclone66 · · Score: 1

      In outlook express you can view the source of the email and all the headers, usually you can find clues there like the actual e-mail address, the ip or at least the ISP.

    3. Re:A question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all of the Klez.H@mm emails that I have seen Outlook adds the header:

      Return-Path: <senderofthevirus@theirdomain.xxx>

      This header will allow you to find who actually has the virus and inform them. It's also the very first header, which makes it nice and easy to discover.

    4. Re:A question by Frogking · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your best bet is to look at the full headers of the message to see what IP address the virus came from. Next, use something like ARIN Whois (http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html) to find out what ISP that IP address belongs to. Then forward the original message to this ISP *as an attachment* (this preserves the headers with the IP address and timestamp) and ask that they contact their customer. Most ISPs can check to see what user was connected to a certain IP address at a specific time, thus telling them who is infected. Most ISPs won't actually tell you who the sender is (mostly for privacy reasons, but also to prevent people from getting in fistfights over a virus that probably wasn't sent on purpose to begin with!).

    5. Re:A question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't the Klez viruses that you receive have the Return-Path: header? I have tracked back to infected users using that header (and fixed their computer for them). Why is everyone saying you can't find out who it is?

    6. Re:A question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Return-Path: <senderofthevirus@theirdomain.xxx>

      Nope. The domain is usually accurate, but the user name is usually forged.

    7. Re:A question by funky+womble · · Score: 1

      I think the SMTP sender address is usually correct.

    8. Re:A question by BubbaFett · · Score: 2

      If I receive emails with the Klez virus attached, that means someone I know is probably infected, doesn't it?

      Not necessarily. I find that I get most of mine from infected spammers.

    9. Re:A question by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 2

      Well, I got a Klez the other day. First one I'd seen in months, and it was from a friend I hadn't heard from in a while. So, I wrote him back after checking the mail headers.

      ======================

      Hey man, long time no see.

      I got this today with your name on it. It's a copy of the Klez virus, which may mean some of your computers at work may have that virus on them. I'd check to make sure.

      On the other hand, the mail trail says it originated from someotherisp.net. I don't know anyone who uses that service, but perhaps you do. If so, they could be sending out mails in your name, so you might want to check with them.

      Anyway, how are things?

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    10. Re:A question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I receive emails with the Klez virus attached, that means someone I know is probably infected, doesn't it?

      Klez scans through the IE cache on infected systems and searches all cached html files for addresses. If you have your address on a webpage somewhere, you can count on it that that's giving you the most of it.

      how can I find out who it came from

      Not. You can scan the headers and find the IP of the sender, but that's about it.

    11. Re:A question by Talla · · Score: 1

      Return-Path: is forged too. If those users had the virus, it was just a coincidence. It was not them who sent it. I have often been in the Return-Path of Klez-viruses, and I use mutt under Linux.

  40. Does it strike anyone else as ironic.... by Mrs.Trellis · · Score: 1

    that the company that perpetually promises to make everyones computer more secure still ships Outlook Express, probably the most insecure software product ever released, I would have written sold there but I believe they give it away; how unamerican, but then again how could they possibly justify charging for it.

    1. Re:Does it strike anyone else as ironic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it even more ironic that the most recent version of Outlook Express, unpatched, is completely immune to the subject of this story?

  41. possibly stupid question about Klez's appearance by AdamBa · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Since the detail link up there is /.ed...I keep getting these emails like "your email was rejected by our virus filter" and then there is an email attached, which looks like it came from me, that has Klez in it. Most of these are from people I have never contacted via email that are not in my address book.

    So can I just assume that Klez is just generating these on its own and it's actually the *other* guy who is infected? Because I run Norton AntiVirus with the latest filters...or am I actually infected with Klez and I am really generating all this email that is bouncing at the other end?!?

    Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks.

    - adam

  42. Hi cFly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are your headaches these days? Still taking the medication? Good.

    Look, McFly, I'm not sure if you'll be able to grasp this simple concept, but you see you do not actually have to be running Outlook in order the receieve an email virus like Klez. You see, there are lots of email client for different operating systems, from the better known to the more obscure.

    In order to receieve an email virus, all you need is an idiot at the other end to be running Outlook, and who will then allow themselves to become infected.

    I very much suspect that you are one of those idiots, judging from your moronic "It hurts to think" post.

  43. MOD parent up by renehollan · · Score: 2

    DAMN! That's the best suggestion I've seen in a long time.

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    You could've hired me.
  44. Re:possibly stupid question about Klez's appearanc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor guy, it's likely that it is somebody you know who is infected. (They have your email address), and they are sneding it to someone else they know (They have their email address). So, neither you, nor the person the mail was to are necessarily infected.

  45. Klez Variant? by olethrosdc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Recently I received something that could be a new variany of Klez. The difference is that it does not look at your own computer for contacts. It looks at web-pages. This is how it seems to work:

    1. Download a random web-page.
    2. Rip all the addresses.
    3. Choose a small phrase from the web-page
    4. Spoof an email from one address to another, using the key-phrase.
    5. Go to 1.
    This seems to be a much better option than using the outlook addressbook, because it is more probable that emails will be read by the corresponding parties. Why? Because they are both mentioned on the same web-page, so they must have some common interest. The subject line can be something related to their interest too... it is not like getting a pr0n email from a priet in Nevada or something B]
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    1. Re:Klez Variant? by HuvahCraftah · · Score: 1

      Oh, so the Klez virus fires up Internet Explorer for you, types in "http://www.google.com/" and then enters in "random web-page".

      Then, if you're lucky it got a webpage with an e-mail address on it... No, don't even bother thinking about it this way.

      It's searching through your cache for e-mail addresses and grabs text from any of those pages.

      For those of you unlucky enough to have visitors to your page you probably already obfuscate your e-mail address. If not I'd suggest using some javascript to build your e-mail address for you:

      function email(anchor){
      emaildomain="slashdot.org"
      document.write("<a href='mailto:" + "cmdr" + "taco" + "\u0040" + emaildomain + "'>" + anchor + "</a>")
      emaildomain=""
      }
  46. the forged From: line makes all the difference by frankie · · Score: 4, Informative

    Klez is not really such a smart virus, compared to some of the earlier Outlook scripts that would grab a real document off the luser's HD and send it. The thing that makes it a major PITA is the forgery.

    The only way to track down a Klez sender is to follow the Received: headers back to the ISP, and ask them to search their RADIUS &/or DHCP logs to figure out which user was at that address at the time the message was sent. Most ISP's that I've contacted would rather not bother, so the infected PCs remain blissfully ignorant.

    Alternately, the ISP could require authenticated SMTP, and attach the real user ID to every message in some way. Or install a virus filter on the outbound connection. But once again, they don't want to bother. It's the tragedy of the commons.

  47. Time for a mirror ... by fire-eyes · · Score: 1

    Do I really need to say why? heh.

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    1. Re:Time for a mirror ... by Kjellander · · Score: 1
  48. Re:Stupid Address Books by olethrosdc · · Score: 1

    Erm, one does not have to look at the address book actually.. it could be much simpler to do what I mentioned here:
    http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl? sid=355 80&cid=3841777

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  49. Irrelevant query by multipartmixed · · Score: 2

    Klez doesn't read your addressbook, it just snoops the network interface. Far more effective.

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  50. Klez is bad for Linux users too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although Klez does not infect Linux, it does generate large amounts of spam-like e-mail if you're a popular person who has his or her address in thousands of people's address books, e-mail spools, and browser caches.

    So you can be totally overwhelmed with spamlike email, even if your email program and/or OS is entirely resistant to infection.

    For a while I was getting about 100 copies of Klez a day, which was making reading my e-mail almost impossible with POP over a dialup. Since then I've installed a filter, switched to IMAP and am using DSL and it's a lot better now.

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  53. Forged sender by yet+another+coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know that Klez forges the "From:" line in the header. There is a "From" (no colon) line at the top of email messages. I believe that this line comes from another source not forged by Klez. Usually, this line appears to be correct. The "From" (no colon) email address tends to agree with the first mail server that relayed the message. Is my understanding correct?

    Two or three times, I have tried to warn users that they are infected by sending messages to the "From" (no colon) address. It never has worked. Why not? Every time, I have ended up emailing the administrators of the domain or mail server. (BTW, most places do a terrible job of monitoring email to postmaster.) I always have included the headers so that the administrator could track down the infected user by date and IP address. Each time, the administrator then contacted the user and put a stop to the problem. How come the user never fixes it? Shouldn't my emails have gotten through? Did the users just ignore my warnings or was there something else at work?

    1. Re:Forged sender by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The header that Klez doesn't forge is the very first header found at the begginning of the email. Its the Return-Path: header. That is where you can find the EMAIL of the person using Outlook that sent you the virus. That header is not forged.

  54. Klez was worser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    infects any mail even eudora, eudora now is worse than outlook
    infects throughnetwork sharing and maybe SAP aplications
    if you want to get rid og it dont use USA software antivirus, they dont work.
    There are some russian antivirus that do work
    klez seems to be designed to spy on computers

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  57. Re:Stupid Address Books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, except Klez does not use scripting. Instead it attacks a bug or an overrun in the MIME parser in Outlook.

    Anyone who thinks that Unix mailer software couldn't be vulnerable to bugs like this is sniffing glue.

    Furthermore, scripting can be handled safely within a corporate environment -- see Lotus Notes.

  58. Re:90%? really? by redtuxxx · · Score: 1

    I have a theory 1. I get about one or two a day to my home email address. I know nobody that uses outlook/outlook express. 2. I am subscribed to several Linux mailing lists (tag,RH, gnome etc) 3. I have had a few with spoofed addresses like webmaster@gnome.org and various other linux notables that post to these lists) So there must be quite a few work only subscribers that use outlook to peruse these lists. Bloody outlook - even gets you if you stick to linux sites

  59. NNTP/ mailing lists by oliverthered · · Score: 2

    1. Connect to a mail list archive
    2. etc.......

    Mailing lists are better, because the sender is ofter waiting for a reply.

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  60. Re:possibly stupid question about Klez's appearanc by Nit+Picker · · Score: 1

    In my experience the Reply To: header identifies the true (infected) sender.

  61. That's not a message header... by nachomama · · Score: 1

    It really is what's called the "envelope sender". In the SMTP protocol, you have to specify who the message is from, and what addresses to deliver to. These don't necessarily have any relation to the From: and To: headers in the message itself.

    I have noticed the same thing you have, I believe that the envelope sender is the correct person to contact.

  62. Re:possibly stupid question about Klez's appearanc by dodobh · · Score: 2

    Its the other guy. Mostly, the virus will not forge the return-path header, but some variants do that too. As mentioned elsewhere, the only solution is to contact the ISP concerned.
    You will be clean.

    Just another postmaster.

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  63. This post is my first work. by Verteiron · · Score: 1

    My sig says it all.

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  64. Klez Quick Fix? by N8F8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last month my work PC was infected with Klez. Although Norton apparently can detect the virus it doesn't seem to be able to destroy it. I went to the Nortin site and tried the Klez cleaner and insturctions, but it didn't do any good. Then I noticed that Klez runs under the Guest account. I changed the password on the Guest account tand the problem seemed to go away.

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    1. Re:Klez Quick Fix? by snd_chaser · · Score: 1

      The first thing I do on any NT/2k machine is rename the Administrator and Guest accounts, then disable the Guest account.

  65. Funny you should mention it, Hemos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... since I got an email from you back on April 25 due to Klez. For shame. (Oh, I suppose it could have been someone else that had you in their address book. Klez does that I'm told).

    I would paste the Pine message header here for everyone's amusement, but the lameness filter keeps getting in my way...

    I remember thinking to myself, "Why would Hemos from slashdot email me? I only submitted one story a long time ago..." then I realized that Klez was going around, and chuckled a bit. I never did look at the attachments. :-)

  66. Re:possibly stupid question about Klez's appearanc by funky+womble · · Score: 1

    Yep this is quite common. And a lot of the time the stupid virus scan reports don't include the headers. Absolutely useless...

  67. mirror? by xbrownx · · Score: 0

    Virus bulletin seems to be /.ed, anyone got a mirror?

  68. New poll! by Webmoth · · Score: 5, Funny

    The virus I've had the hardest time getting rid of:

    [ ] Nimda
    [ ] Klez
    [ ] ILoveYou
    [ ] Sircam
    [ ] Hybris
    [ ] Whatever CowboyNeal has

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    Give me my freedom, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you.
    1. Re:New poll! by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      A Slashdot poll that doesn't have an answer for Linux users?

  69. Procmail rule to catch Klez by FattMattP · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I use this procmail rule to catch Klez viruses:

    :0 B
    * ! ^Received:
    * 9HyTO130D42FAAAAU1bo5RoAAGoAi9joFC4AAIvwi0UIg.YBVm hmB0EAjbgsAQAA6MMaAABQ
    klez

    The lameness filter is putting a space in the string of characters above so be sure to remove it when you put this in your procmailrc file. Also remove the space before the :0 B in the first line.

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    1. Re:Procmail rule to catch Klez by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      Can you provide a decent resource for using procmail? My sysadmin tells me it is on the machine, but I have no idea how to use it and spending a dozen hours learning how to configure it to prevent spam/worms seems beyond my tolerance.

      I wouldn't know how to cut and paste your line into the app.

    2. Re:Procmail rule to catch Klez by Scooby+Snacks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this to get started.

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    3. Re:Procmail rule to catch Klez by FattMattP · · Score: 2

      man procmailrc
      man procmailex

      You'll want to have a decent grasp of regular expressions as procmail is centered around them. Also check out the faq that the other poster linked to.

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    4. Re:Procmail rule to catch Klez by ColaMan · · Score: 2

      Try This Procmail Script. It's pretty handy, fixes those auto-xecute mime problems, renames files so that you have to save them before opening them, and cleans up any active html/scripting. It can be setup to email back people who have sent suspicious stuff, will filter on filename if you want - it's quite comprehensive.

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  70. how I deal with Klez by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, the anti-virus companies won't tell you how to block Klez (except by buying their products) but I funnel all my mail through a custom filter and this is the algorithm I use to get rid of Klez-like messages, once and for all:

    If message contains multipart/alternative entity,
    and entity has a part with a filename,
    and the filename's extension doesn't match the entry in /etc/mime.types,
    then drop the message.

    You could also, I think, send a "you're an idiot" bounce message to the envelope MAIL FROM: address (not the header From:, it's wrong). That one usually looks correct. Not sure though, probably best to just drop them.

    There are other clues in the message, such as IFRAME code, etc., but this seems foolproof, and I can't imagine any normal email program generating multipart/alternative sub-parts with a filename.

  71. Don't just blame outlook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Eudora, for instance, by default these days uses the Internet Explorer HTML rendering (even though it includes its own) including ActiveX and MIME vulnerabilities.

  72. my slashdot spam account gets wailed on with Klez by Indy1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    my dedicated slashdot spam account gets roughly 2-5 emails with klez per week. I dont know if some virus writing moron has a address harvester or what, but thats the only way i ever get email viruses. I should clarify, my mail server catches the bugs, squashes em, then mails me the paticular details so my actual email client never gets infected.

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  73. Re:90%? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in charge of running an email mailing list for a university organization this past year. We had an outbreak of Klez among university students and my email address got hammered. I was getting about 10 a day. I guess that's expected since a large percentage of the students are using Outlook (probably unpatched because they don't know any different) connected to our high-speed university network. Your average college student also seems to be click-happy with attachments - "Oh cool, Joey sent me a cool new game to play!" I think this happens especially to freshmen that are used to their parent's slow dial-up accounts. All of a sudden they start downloading and opening everything they get just because they can do it "so fast now." Traffic has slowed down during summer school sessions, but I'm still getting a few a day sometimes.

    The sys admins did get some anti-virus software installed on the mail server. Now I get "VIRUS IN MAIL FOR YOU" messages all the time from the postmaster with a body message saying to contact the sender. We know the listed sender probably isn't the culprit. I'd rather the system just drop the message. I'm getting more of those than I am sex/get rich quick spam messages. I just set up a filter, but since I'm considered the "computer expert" around, everyone keeps calling and email me asking why they're getting the messages. If you're a sys admin on a mail server, please consider this when your setting up scans and filters.

    Yaha has started to take over as king of the hill though... Some versions of it are getting through the university virus scan... :(

    David

  74. Re:90%? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, I resent that.

    I don't have any friends, but I get tons of spam.

  75. Why have gimpy Mail admins allow this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Create a fucking Mail server rule to block all attachments that are executable. Since we have created this rule on our mail server, we have not seen a single virus since the rule was put online over 1 year ago.

    1. Re:Why have gimpy Mail admins allow this? by hyperstation · · Score: 1

      amen. there is *no* reason to mail anyone an executable program, and as such no mail server should accept them. it's common sense, kinda like not having an open relay.

  76. My Anti-Virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  77. Re:90%? really? by Patrick13 · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the height of the Klez infections (about 2 1/2 months ago), I got 76 emails infected with Klez in one morning.

    The trick with Klez is that it spoofs the "from" header, and chooses an address at random from the infected computer's address book and its web cache.

    I got tons of infected emails from people who had only surfed into a page containing one of my email addresses. Since I have 25 or design clients, this can add up to quite a few "webmaster@" email addresses. While my busiest site gets about 700 unique visitors daily, overall, my email accounts are exposed to ca. 4500 uniques daily.

    That's a lot of novice users who think that getting an email that has the subject:

    "A Excite Game"

    and a body message that runs something like:

    This is a excite game I made. It is my first try at a game. I hope you like it!

    is a legit email. I have personally gotten this one over and over again, with the adjective randomized (a FUNNY game, a NEW game, etc.).

    I can't believe that people open it, but they do. And they get infected, and then I get mails from them, spoofed to appear to be coming someone in their address book, or their browser cache.

    Which makes it a drag, because you can't easily track down the offending individual.

    The reason I think this virus is so prevalent (aside from the fact that most users are so gullible) is simply because you can't email the infected party and say "hey, you are infected with Klez", but with other viruses, such as SirCam and what not, you could, therefore stopping the virus infection, eventually.

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  78. I get 5MG of Klez every 24 hours by RatBastard · · Score: 1

    I get enough KLEZ virus infected emails every 24 hours to shut my email account down at my ISP if I don't clean out my mailbox every 24 hours. About 20% of them say they are from me, which is not possible as I do not use OutLook, nor do I even have it isntalled on my system.

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  79. I'm helping! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mailto:Carrot007@thewort.co.uk

  80. No, you're doing it wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like this:

    mailto:Carrot007@thewibblereport.co.uk

    That will even help him get spam, too. I'm so nice.

  81. I've got an even better idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use his real address. He'll see his spam right away that way!

    mailto:kyle@institute.co.uk

    You can even give him a call at:
    +07989-401-307

  82. Re:90%? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you would think that Hemos would be smart enough to not put his email address on the goatse.cx site.

    hrm.

  83. gotcha by AdamBa · · Score: 2
    So the header is spoofed, making it look like the email came from me. Then the virus filter software, which is supposed to report to the infected person, instead generates a report to everybody *but* the infected person. And since the report includes the original email, the virus filter effectively winds up sending all the messages that it was supposed to filter out.

    Clever.

    - adam

  84. Lotus Bloats by mangu · · Score: 2
    Furthermore, scripting can be handled safely within a corporate environment -- see Lotus Notes.

    We use Lotus at my company. But I still get about a dozen emails a day from Klez. But I never got any virus originating from a Linux machine...

  85. Monkey Hate Klez. by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

    At the repair shop I work at, about one third of the systems I got were klez victims, all the same variant.

    Oddly enough, the article doesn't mention this variant, which breaks .exe files by failing to detect a preinfected fileand trashing the backup exe.

    It scares me that there must be thousands of infected computers with less damaging varients right in my home town. =/

    -Zaphod

  86. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with this post! Most sites out there that are new and improved are over sized flash pages with almost no content. As a long time slashdot.org reader I took the same approach to a raver site (don't laugh) for south florida.
    Pardon the shameless promotion
    As a web developer though, even an amature you have to aim for what the consumer has. By my stats 89% are IE4.0+. What else can you do.. Not everyone is as l33t as slashdot.. :-) pEace --The RF Team

  87. 2 Main reasons by bigruss45 · · Score: 0

    There are two main reasons Klez has Florished: 1) good old Outlook 2) Idiot Operaterators ...Nuff said

  88. OT: Your Sig! by K'tohg · · Score: 1

    I know this is off topic but your .sig is really bugging me. how do I decode it? I've tried all rotations from 1-25 none worked.

    Ahh it's buggn' me I don't know how to decode it!!!

    Xorw rw guz tg apketmped dfkkade !

    AHHHHH. LOL.

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    0 row returned
    1. Re:OT: Your Sig! by stevenbee · · Score: 1
      It says "This is not an encrypted message!"

      But I have retired it now; I don't want anybody to suffer :-P

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  89. Re:90%? really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have 6 addresses, one of which is listed on a website as support address. That's the only one where I receive those blasted worms on, but to such an extent that spam and normal mail pale in comparison.

    In byte count, Klez reaches way more than 90% for me, all addresses added.

  90. Re:90%? really? by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 2

    Yes, really. My mailbox is constantly full of the damn things (well, that, and SPAM from Korea). I have a number of readers of my small fanfiction page, and I think they all use Windows/Outlook Express, so there you go. They are not computer geeks; they know how to use a computer to read and send e-mail, to browse the web, and to write stuff/design websites in some cases, but, like most Windows users, their computers are tools to get a job done, not a way of life.

    I, on the other hand, am a programmer who uses Linux at home; I didn't get infected by those damn Klez viruses, nor do I even download them--I limit fetchmail on the size of attachment and inspect the oversized mails thru my ISP's web interface every few days. Almost everytime, they are Klez viruses, though I'm also seeing some Goldfish thingy, starting recently.

    I'm really, really sick of this crap filling up my mailbox. It's viral spam: an unspeakable hybrid of two of the worst internet evils.

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