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Will Wright on Game Design
Torill writes "Celia Pearce interviews Will Wright in the article "Sims, Battle Bots, Cellular Automata Gods and Go", in Game Studies, volume 2. Wright talks about the philosophy behind his games, one of which is The Sims: 'What are you trying to do with this thing that you're creating? To really put the player in the design role. And the actual world is reactive to their design.'"
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What's wrong with just playing MineSweeper?
A good FPS may entertain for some time, but a simulation game is great. It ends when you want it to, you control how things happen, You can save, come back, do something different and have the game go an entirely different way (try that with Duke Nukem).
Don't get me wrong, a good multiplayer FPS is great now and then. But I still turn to sim games more often than not.
Maybe it's my God complex : )
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
Well, this was one of the things that was never done. Anyway, it would be really nice to see a MMORPG in which it would be allowed to create your own software controlled androids - and see how they survive and mix with real -human controlled -players. Not just "bots" that complete simple routines, but something that tries to learn, evolve and survive in that world.
Is anything like this happening already?
Maybe we can combine them both and have a simulation game where you can pay off strippers then go back and shoot them
Sim Trailer Park!
You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
Please don't mod offtopic
It's been that way for a long time, some games are great when you've got a good group of friends to play them with (FPS), and other games are great when you want to play alone (simulation). FPS games are less fun in single player or even LAN vs Online, whereas who wants to watch someone else play The Sims for 3 hours?
What?
I'd much rather see Jeff 'Yak' Minters reply to 'What are you trying to do with this thing that you're creating?'
Another recent Will Wright interview
CP: Question
WW: Answer
I just have to wonder what a question would be like to his child, Will Wright II.
CP: Question
WW2: Answer
And God help us all if he has a WW3...
Apparently you haven't played GTA3 yet... you CAN do that!
Is anything like [Learning Bots] happening already?
Two examples:
1) Technosphere http://www.technosphere.org.uk/
2) RoboCode http://apps.alphaworks.ibm.com/rumble/
How many layers of self-reference are involved with my friend Dave? His Sims characters always end up in a destructive loop in which they only get gratification from staying home and playing computer games. Their social skills deteriorate until they get so satisfaction from other people, so they have to resort more and more to the games... Art imitates life imitates art imitates life...
The references to Pinball Construction Set -- had it on the C64 -- and old Avalon Hill-style wargames made a lot of sense. That Pinball title from EA was way ahead of itself; you had the sort of "how does the ball bounce" physics model to work around in a nonstructured way. Anyone who's ever made a map for Myth II would recognize the exercise.
And yeah, Sims games are sort of a natural (side)step from the "rules lawyer" problem everyone had playing Squad Leader. Even "real time" tactics/strategy games basically just use the processor speed of the cpu to grind through the "rules" better than we could with those 40-page booklets: think of the whole "fog of battle" premise for unit visibility in something like Warcraft or Myth, and then think of the impossible "hidden unit" scenarios in Squad Leader.
But the open-ended quality of the true Sims game is special, and we owe this guy. Or Dave does, anyway. It's the only satisfaction he really gets any more...
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
Oh yes, I forgot.
And I thought I had something there...
You think that I'm crazy, you should see this guy!
the editors should know better than to post to an article this long.
It is bad enough trying to get posters to read 1 page news.yahoo.com articles before responging.
This interview is long... have read half and am tired now.
how many people have actually read the entire article.
Live today. Tomorrow will cost a lot more!
What are you trying to do with this thing that you're creating? To really put the player in the design role. And the actual world is reactive to their design.
Real good game design means _exactly_ not to put the player in the design role. That's whats just all the computer stuff for everyday work is all about.
Good game design lets you slip in a role of an actor, not a designer, thats what all the arcade stuff was all about. Gaming is adrenaline (defender, robotron) not administration(warcraft, sim xx) and should be not to time-consuming indeed.
Also i don't want to have a copy of the real life, i want computer games with unique styles and independent rules (role playing games in an middle ages style are not meant here;)).
And by the way: the disrespect of the pure gameplay aspect leads to an ignorant attitude against the need to rock-solid framerates, as you can see in nearly all pc-ego-shooters.
Am i really the only one with this opinion?
Wow, the article is so influential and well-written that the admins on gamestudios.org must have started a LAN match and crashed the server... No, this has nothing to do with anything written in the article... I just can't get the site to load... Heh...
"The amount of intelligence on this planet is a constant. The population is growing." -Cole's Axiom
Of course you're not the only one who believes games should be as you say.
However, that's why there's a number of different genres, as well as game developers, so that theoretically you should be able to find a game in the style that you like.
Some people actually enjoy the challenge of design and management, think of it as the videogame equivalent of advanced lego.
Others would prefer to play the virtual equivalent of 'cowboys and indians' and pick up the latest FPS.
There's no one "right" way to game.
Lots of people share your opinion, that's OK--we all play differently. ;-) For example, I enjoy the kinds of games he's talking about. There's something voyeuristic and interesting about playing a game -similar- to reality, but not quite. I was constantly making up games as a kid. Card games that played like strategy board games, acted-out games, computer games that vaguely operated like arcade games...and what was fun was that given a very loose rule set, you eventually created a good game, with rules of your own creation. Typical toy soldiers scenario--take a hundred green plastic men, an unkempt bedroom, and anything can happen! One group defects. There are spies. A dog suddenly kills off a dozen of your country's best. This is great fun (for me)!
Strategy games, and also games like the Sims, are a foggy mirror on reality, and although there are sometimes 'better' ways to play each game, the rules are not limited to those in the book/code. For example, say in Civ I have a really successful Swordsman, who has had numerous victories under his belt, but now is becoming outdated. Instead of upgrading/scrapping him, I will usually send him to either the capital city, or the city last conquered, and station him there for eternity as a reminder of their courage. This action -definitely- doesn't affect the gameplay much, but it means the world to my gaming experience. With something like the Sims, the experience (like life) is composed almost entirely of those kinds of experiences alone. 'Oh, that's the guy who peed in my kitchen...ew.' 'I tried hitting on her once...didn't work.' These are experiences, which for me are a little more memorable than, for example, 'how damn high my resolution was.' Note that I enjoy FPS' as well, and you can build the same sorts of experiences playing those...I just meant to speak to the notion that open-ended games are interesting, at least to some.
Really good, nice to know someone takes the initiative to entertain us :). Keep up the good work and keep those games comin
-- Live Long And Prosper
Yeap, it was a real bad design that made The Sims most selling PC game ever!
Geez...
Are you alluding to the brain matter of knee-jerk posters?
Good game design lets you slip in a role of an actor, not a designer, thats what all the arcade stuff was all about. Gaming is adrenaline (defender, robotron) not administration(warcraft, sim xx) and should be not to time-consuming indeed.
... mmm hmm
I see, thats why mod'ability is becoming more and more of a standard feature on games these days. I guess all this time I've been having a blast designing a Warcraft III map, I really just been proving how bad the game is
Will (in all of him Sim-* glory) is currently featured on the G4 channel show "Icons".
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http://www.g4tv.com/html/showinfo.asp?episode_k
I like playing Go, and i think he's dead on about when people ask how you're doing. Unless you are playing in the game, it's very hard to see who's going to win till mid-game. In fact, you need to sit down and watch a bit before you can make that determination as well. I just wish the Yahoo games version of Go wasn't so badly done with scoring. `8r/ The idea of 'taking pieces' is what most americans assume, and so it makes for very poor games. `8r/
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"Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
In the middle of the article it was talking about a future version of the sims. This proposed version would periodically download what you were doing to the main server, and based on that would decide what your experience was going to be.
Maybe I should stop the "Murder and Mayhem" version of the sims where I invite people over then seal them into small rooms where they slowly starve to death. I might get a visit from the pre-crime unit (Homeland defense)
What they're not saying is that their Sim games don't put the player in the design role. Not at all. Sim City takes about an hour to master. The only real trick is to space the roads 6 squares apart. After that, its a solved problem, and everything else is just doodling. Most people who play it consistently just drool and look at the miniature graphics of buildings and push the feeder button when they want stimulation. It's really an exercise in behavioral training. The new Sims is moving towards ringing bells measuring saliva, but more than that, its about rewards for certain behaviors and punishments for others. It isn't being used for it now, but it makes a great focus group, and an even more powerful training tool.
The most revealing part is the bit about "Sim Health", how it came down to the rule assumptions. If you want to prove hospitals are understaffed, you set the slider bar to "more nurses per patient" or whatever. Same thing with Sim City. If you want prove that inner cities always turn to crime, set a #define. If you want to show that higher taxes means a cleaner environment, adjust a properties file. Of course there's less at stake, it's just a game. But there are billions of dollars going into scientific studies that predict the weather or something else based on simulations with slider bars labelled "political agenda" and "funding level".
The creators are going to be in for a shock, though, when the new Network Sims comes out and people just stand around and chat or tickle each other and talk dirty. They'll realize pretty quickly though, and put the pellet dispensers in. That's something the Ultima/Everquest designers never really learned. Maybe its too small a segement of the population yet to care about.
I do the exact same thing (about the swordsman).
In starcraft, I'd have one marine left from a horrific battle because the infantry hit the target before the battle cruisers got there, and he would be hurt real bad (before brood war, mind you, no healing). He would have like 6 or 7 kills and I would build a transport, just for him, to bring him back as sort of a "hero".
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So Will is playing a game where he has to make sure that a million Sims players are happy playing their Sims game. I guess you could call him the only Sims player who is getting paid for playing. :)
Games like the Sims, Sim City, and collectable card games (deck construction) allow the player to become the game designer.
Isn't it both more fun and rewarding to actually design your own game? I know it is for me and I doubt that I'm alone in this opinion.
So the first part of the article says how much Mr. Wright has enjoyed playing games in which he created things, and this has helped shape his career. Then he describes how the Sims may take ideas from users to change the game. Does anyone else notice a problem with this?
A child playing The Sims today may have his ideas stolen and used by someone else. All it takes is one clause in the Sims EULA which claims ownership of ideas presented for content generated within the game for this to be a huge problem.
I doubt this is what was intended; Mr. Wright et al only want to make their games better. But in doing so this way, they have made their lives irreproducible. It's like Pinball Construction Set taking your "work" and putting it into Pinball Construction Set 2. Imagine if a company with an evil agenda automated gathering and analysing its users' data. Bad news!
No one has ever fired for blaming Microsoft.
Similar to RoboCode is 'Terrarium', from Microsoft. Only it uses 'bugs' which are teleported from one terrarium to another over a network, where they battle it out. Seems to be a bit more advanced than robocode, though Id love to see a mix of the two. http://www.gotdotnet.com/terrarium/
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Of course then there's the nerds like me who look at screenshots and descriptions of Doom3 and think "wow, that's gonna be one hell of a fun engine to play around with"
Will Wright is a genius though. When are we going to get the 21st century update of SimEarth and SimLife?
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Wow, bashee, you're a fucking genius!!! Now can you explain why The Sims is the most popular computer game of all time, and why they're interviewing and giving awards to Will Wright instead of you?
I'm suprised no one has commented on his Time Slider idea for a game (near the end of the article). Where he suggests a game where you can move backwards and forwards in the time scale and check out the results of your actions. This interview is about a year old I wonder if he's made any progress on it. That would rock Checking google, it looks like there's another interview with him on gamasutra (free but registration required) but that's only talking about the Sims. Has anyone else seen anything on this?
i can't explain. that's why i posted.
just my two cents, sorry to be annoying.
It's been a long time since I've seen such a bad page layout. A 200px wide column with shitty font, and no visual clues between questions, answer and the next. J. Nielsen please come and help.