Mozilla 1.1 Hits The Street

asa writes: "Mozilla 1.1 has arrived!. This release has many new features including full-screen mode for Linux, Mac MathML support, a redesigned JavaScript Debugger, new window icons for the different Mozilla applications, view selection source, display HTML mail as plaintext, and much more. Along with all the new features, Mozilla 1.1 also contains many improvements to performance, stability, standards support, and web site compatibility. You can get Mozilla 1.1 by visiting the mozilla.org releases page or directly from ftp at ftp.mozilla.org. Now that 1.1 is out the door, the focus moves to 1.2 alpha, and beyond. If you're confused as to how all of these releases relate to each other, be sure to check out the Mozilla Roadmap and the community hub over at mozillaZine.org."

Comments

Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[titansfreek]

I love Mozilla, the browser and email client are awesome and so much better than anything else. But before it even finished starting it gave me to error messages about some DLL. Then enigmail is complaining at me too. And why are 2 mozilla shortcuts added to my desktop? A cool new feature: view selection source. You can select some text and view the source just for that piece of the page. And tabbed browsing still rocks. Control-click a link or after typing a URL in the location field to open it quickly in a new tab, or hit control-T to pop a new blank tab. I just wish you could control click on the links in your toolbar.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[sgifford]

Search for bugs in Bugzilla for all of these things, and if there aren't already bugs file your own. Otherwise they'll never get fixed.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[snake_dad]

Ctrl-pgup, and ctrl-pgdn under windows. ctrl-t for a new tab, ctrl-w to close one. Or use mouse gestures or piemenus.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

i wish you could switch between tabs by keyboard shortcut!

ctrl-pageup and ctrl-pagedown do this. See the keyboard shortcuts.
And indeed, those shortcuts aren't really handy if you want to use a mouse, but I personally have quickly grown used to them. Who needs a mouse anyway? :)

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

But before it even finished starting it gave me to error messages about some DLL. Then enigmail is complaining at me too.

Enigmail does indeed not work anymore - but a new enigmail build is released for each milestone (currently the last one is still for 1.1 beta), so I expect to see a working version within the next day or so; the developer(s) should definitely have been aware of the problem for several weeks now.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

I don't think it's ever been ctrl-tab. Maybe in multizilla - but not in mozilla. ctrl-tab has been used for switching the focus between frames/location bar since at least the 4.x days, and this is not going to change.

However, as you mentioned, everything is configurable. In this case, you need to create a file called userHTMLBindings.xml in the res/builtin/ directory and edit it according to the instructions found here.

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[mr3038]

And it [shortcut to change between tabs] used to be ^tab, but they changed it. I don't know why.

See Mozilla keyboard navigation. See also Mozilla bug #103796 (no direct linking to bugzilla.) Basically only windows had standard shortcuts for stuff like that and it happened to be CTRL+Page Up/Down and the moz dev team decided to copy it. CTRL+TAB was decided to be used to navigate between frames. However, for me changing between different tabs is more important action than changing between different frames with keyboard. What's the simplest way to swap those shortcuts? Can I add something to user.js or is it something harder? Usually I use mouse gestures for the tab switching...

Re:Not complaining, but gave me two crash messages

[Aanallein]

From the enigmail mailinglist and newsgroup:

Here are the new XPIs for Mozilla 1.1 final. You need to click on the platform-independent enigmail XPI and *one* of the platform-dependent enigmime XPIs.

http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/enigmail-0.65.2.x pi (platform independent)

http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/enigmime-0.65.2-l inux.xpi (for standard Mozilla tarball from mozilla.org)

http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/enigmime-0.65.2-l inux_gcc296.xpi (for RedHat 7.x or Mandrake 8.x, 9.0)

http://enigmail.mozdev.org/dload/enigmime-0.65.2-w in32.xpi (for Windows)

The above links do not appear on the download page yet, but they will after the files have been copied over to downloads.mozdev.org

Re:goatse

[leviramsey]

Actually, judging from the number of gaping security holes, IE is the ultimate goatse browser.

After installation...

[snake_dad]

Check out the radial context menus or the mouse gestures. Look at edit->preferences->navigator->internet search, and edit->preferences->advanced->Scripts&Plugin s. And finally take a look at the preferences bar to quickly enable or disable certain options. These are always the first things I install with any new Mozilla, release or nightly.

Re:After installation...

[madprof]

Having upgraded from 1.0 to 1.1 Mozilla has kept those settings, so no need to go running around. It hasn't even wiped history or cleared the URL bar history.

Re:After installation...

[Darren Winsper]

Shame Omniweb has questionable CSS2 and DOM support.

Re:After installation...

[snake_dad]

I've tried the radial context menus, but after I left click and choose an option [...]

There should be no need to leftclick any option in the piemenus. eg, to create a new tab, drag the right mouse button diagonally right and up, then drag up. Right button is the default to activate the piemenu, I've set it to middle button.

Re:After installation...

[Tokerat]

Popups are any and all script-created browser windows, and onLoad popups are ones created by the onLoad directive when loading a web page.

onLoad is the most common way for annoying popup ads to be thrown at you, as it happens automatically. Other popup windows may be used, but may be spawned by user actions, i.e. clicking a link and requesting an image, which then loads in its own small window, for example. This is why you have two options.

I'm not very intimately familiar with Mozilla, is there a way to have popups move to a tab in their parent window instead of becomming their own window? I wouldnt' care about pop-up windows if they didn't make so much clutter, and I suppose it would be quite easy to close those pesky "pop-unders" (you know, the ones that blank the title and use onFocus or whatever to hide themselves behind another window, and then use a timer to create a new popup ad every 30 seconds...) if they had nothing to hide behind. I could just close the tab, correct?This woudl conviniently allow me to use sites that rely on the onLoad directive, such as www.facethejury.com's "IM" system...

If it's there I might just be ready to wean off IE.

Re:After installation...

[ivan256]

The radial menus would be okay if they used text instead of icons. With the iconic menus it takes forever to figure out what to click on when I want to use a feature that I dont use typically.

They should take note from games that use radial menus. They all use text.

Re:After installation...

[snake_dad]

Felipe already hinted at it: if you click the piemenu button, and keep it pressed without moving, some text appears explaining the icons. Consider them training wheels, you won't be needing them anymore soon for the gestures you use the most. They are helpfull for the options you use less often. The number that Felipe mentions appearantly controls the time it takes before the text items appear.

Re:After installation...

[doc modulo]

I've used both gestures and pie menus, and pie menus are better.

I installed the pie menus into Mozilla, tried it, then switched them off again because they interfered with my gestures and I like gestures because they were better then drop down menus.

However, after reading some more slashdot comments, it occured to me that pie menus can REPLACE gestures in mozilla completely, with some added benefits.

Pie menus have a built-in manual, gestures have the manual somewhere off-screen. This makes the use of pie menus the same as training in pie menus. The same "manual problem" exists with command line interfaces V.S. Graphical User Interfaces. I have not used all the gestures mozilla had to offer because it was a hassle to bring up the gesture manual every time, try to memorize the gesture, then go back and use that gesture. (forget, repeat and rinse).

Also, I fell into the same trap the drop-down menu users fell into. I was using a system for a while (gestures) and didn't want to change, even though the new system (pie menus) was better. I see a lot of slashdotters complain about IE/windows users doing this.

Please overcome your fear of the new and use pie menus in Mozilla, dead easy to install too. And like the author of the pie menus says: "don't give up after the first 20 seconds".

If you want to have the pie menus show their icon decription texts sooner than normal (descriptions pop up if you hold your mouse in one spot for a second) then check out the "easy to fix!" post above.

Mozilla has good karma.

[bjornte]

I've been a Moz 1.0 user since it was launched, and I've been very pleased with it. Many nice touches, like tabbed browsing (try ctrl-shift-clicking), banning images from ad-serves, anti-popup and so on. Best of all, it manages all the security routines my internet bank throws at it.

Having downloaded Moz 1.1 the difference is not so great, as expected. Some minor bugs have vanished, like the frequent paralyzation of the http-input field.

In general, there is nothing IE can do for me that Moz can't. And Moz is just... a smoother ride. Plus it's got good karma. Recommended.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[Aanallein]

Hitting the checbox in: edit, preferences, navigator, tabbed browsing: "load links in the background" will make opening tabs in the background the default action - no need to even bother with the shift key anymore.

Other nice touches for tabbed browsing: Try dragging a plain text link - http://www.mozilla.org - to an ampty area of the tab bar (if you have many tabs open: near the close button) - this will open a new tab with that link. Dragging the link to a tab itself will load the link in that tab.
Middle-click on a tab in the tab bar will close the tab.
Dragging a bookmark from the personal toolbar onto the tab bar will open that bookmark in a new tab.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[mikeboone]

I've been using Mozilla almost exclusively for a couple months now.

The only thing I miss from IE is the auto fill-in when entering data in a form. That saved me a lot of typing. Mozilla's fill-in seems to only work on some pages, and then it only remembers one answer. IE lets remembers all of my answers to a single field.

Other than that, I love Mozilla.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[brennan73]

In general, there is nothing IE can do for me that Moz can't.

Actually, there's lots it can't do, and unfortunately IMO some of these are pretty basic things. For example: no autoscrolling by clicking the middle mouse button; as someone else mentioned, no automatic form fill-in; bookmark sorting is broken; scrolling certain dropdown boxes with the mouse scroll wheel doesn't work; etc.

There are lots of great things about Moz, including tabbed browsing, popup killing, and other stuff. But it's just not full-featured yet, and I'm personally still using IE because of the reasons I listed above, which include what are for me some basic usability issues. Once these (and other) final quirks get fixed, Moz will be better than IE. IMO, right now it's not, and to say that "Moz can do anything IE does" is demonstrably wrong.

-brennnan

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[Zathrus]

If you want popup killing (and ad killing, and lots of other nifty stuff), try The Proxomitron. Has worked pretty flawlessly for me (and bypass mode fixes things when it becomes overzealous). I need to spend some time learning how to selectively disable it though -- I don't mind ads on some sites (like /.).

For tabbed browsing, try MyIE2 or CrazyBrowser -- it's not a must for me so I haven't bothered trying either.

Of course, people will inevitably whine that Mozilla comes with all of this built in while you have to download add ons for IE. Which is amazingly hypocritical, since the traditional Unix mantra is that small programs that extend functionality are better than monolithic programs. Yes, I know Mozilla is extensible as well, but to bash IE for being extensible to include additional functionality is just bashing for bashing's sake.

Your complaint about Mozilla and the middle mouse button seems off. This is not a function of Mozilla - it's a function of your drivers. Tell your drivers to make middle click middle click instead of autoscroll, then Mozilla should treat it properly.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[coupland]

Actually 1.1 caught me by surprise -- it seems to have more features than a number of the milestone releases. Maybe it's just me but it seems the team have kicked into overdrive to offer a feature-rich 1.1 so soon after 1.0. Yay!

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[astrosmash]

The only thing I miss from IE is the auto fill-in when entering data in a form. That saved me a lot of typing. Mozilla's fill-in seems to only work on some pages, and then it only remembers one answer. IE lets remembers all of my answers to a single field.

Have you tried "Edit->Fill In Form" from the main menu? That's where Mozilla keeps all of your saved form info. It works reasonably well most of the time, but it's not exactly intuative.

I remember reading somewhere that work was underway to make form auto-filling more intuative, similar to what IE does, but I don't know if any work has actually been done or not -- it may have just been talk.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[AntiTuX]

type this into your textbox:

chrome://communicator/locale/wallet/index.html

Fill in your form, and go whoopass :)

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[indiigo]

I love Moz, but I just don't understand Everyone's attraction to tabbed browsing. The interface for a tabbed setting is slightly erratic and doesn't follow other window managers, Linux or Windows. If I'm using Alt+Tab in WIndows I will have between 5-10 windows open, and I can quickly tell what I have available. Tabbed browsing interrupts this process and doesn't give me a clear picture of windows contained on a standard interface across all systems.

Everything else I love about Moz, and I use it 9/10 pages. In fact I copy addresses from moz into IE for things like images, shockwave, and msnbc.com that I want to see, and that's about it.

Re:Mozilla has good karma.

[Eil]

The interface for a tabbed setting is slightly erratic and doesn't follow other window managers, Linux or Windows.

It's not supposed to. If you want to have a different entry in your window list / taskbar, all you need to do is simply turn off tabs. If you *must* have tabbed but discreet windows, there are a few good tabbed window managers for X available.

If I'm using Alt+Tab in WIndows I will have between 5-10 windows open, and I can quickly tell what I have available.

Again, just turn off tabs. This is the same thing as complaining that your favorite Linux distro boots KDE instead of GNOME. The choice is there, all you have to do is pick it and run with it. FWIW, I believe Mozilla tabs are disabled by default.

I just don't understand Everyone's attraction to tabbed browsing.

Tabs are useful for people like me who like to have have a lot of web pages open at once but hate a cluttered desktop. Moz tabs have been a godsend and with 1.1, the introduction of a New Tab button has increased their usefulness at least 2-fold for me.

That's cool...

[netsharc]

it took them forever to reach 1.0 (although the 0.9 releases were already really good), but now they're releasing a 1.1 after only a short time, and also working on a 1.2 Yeay Mozilla!

If not "Release early", "Release often!" :)

Re:That's cool...

[Jugalator]

They're also simultaneously working on a 1.0.1 branch. Mozilla 1.0.1 RC2 was released a time ago (while they were working on 1.1 as well), and is still the current 1.0.x build. Mozilla 1.1 does NOT succeed 1.0.1, as evident by the "RC 2" status. 1.0.x is simply a separate branch for stability, while 1.1, 1.2, etc is for new technology and features. I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

In other words, it's not as simple as the Mozilla team moving from 0.9.x to 1.0 and proceeding to 1.1 and 1.2.

Re:That's cool...

[Aanallein]

I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

No, that almost certainly won't happen. 1.0 is intended to be the only long lived branch. See the roadmap.

Re:That's cool...

[Jugalator]

Ah, sorry for not checking it before guessing. :P I assumed they'd always do this to improve stability after releasing major updates. Sounds like the logical thing to do to me as long as they have the resources to do it.

Anyway, thanks for the correction. ;)

Re:That's cool...

[BZ]

There aren't the resources to do it. There aren't even the resources to do the two branches we're doing, really.

Re:That's cool...

[asa]

it took them forever to reach 1.0 (although the 0.9 releases were already really good), but now they're releasing a 1.1 after only a short time

We branched for 1.0 around April 09. That day we began work on 1.1. Mozilla 1.1 was finished on August 26. That's more than 4 months of development.

We branched for 1.1 around August 05. That day we began work on Mozilla 1.2. We should be seeing a Mozilla 1.2alpha pretty soon.

--Asa

Re:...but does Java work?

[short]

This is not a flaw of Mozilla, it is a general non-crossplatformity of Java. Exactly according to the famous "Write once, test everywhere".
When I was bothering with Java in the past I had to implement various workarounds of existing JVM bugs, on each platform a different ones. Java applets would benefit a lot from autoconf(1). :-)

Coverage for other browser projects as well

[jukal]

It is great, that Mozilla progresses and that Slashdot supports the work by directing traffic to their site. But I really hope that /. could give other and new browser projects coverage as well. Many of them have innovative ideas, and potential, and probably would not mind a few more volunteer developers. Slashdot is in great position to give these too the needed momentum. Why don't you release an article about one of them today already?

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[Plug]

While I'm the first to say that monopolies are bad, I like the fact that the OSS community has banded together enough to make something of the scale of Mozilla, instead of being tied up in lots of little sub-projects.

I like the fact that Galeon exists, that K-Meleon exists, that Chimera exists - and because they're all based on Mozilla, they're all as good as each other at rendering web content. If they all started as projects from scratch then none of them would be anywhere _near_ as good as they are now.

Instead of a million ICQ clients out there that implement 80% of the functions, if we had one decent ICQ library that all the clients used, then they could all use that library (Yes, I know there a couple of libs that are getting there - there weren't when I looked a couple of months back.)

I think it's a great thing that there is a standard library (Gecko) for rendering web pages that other projects can implement and build on. While I don't want to suggest the stifling of competition, I don't want to see people wasting time developing an alternative to something that is the best there is, and that they can just grab and use.

With the addition of calendaring, Mozilla is almost in a position to take on the IE/Outlook combination. Who would have suggested that a year ago? Mozilla is more than just another in the sea of browsers.

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[platypus]

Jabber could be such a protocol. You might be interested in reading about their proposal to get their library into kde as "the standard" p2p protocol for kde.
See here for an interesting discussion.

I for one would greatly like this.

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[jukal]

> While I'm the first to say that monopolies are bad, I like the fact that the OSS community has banded together
> enough to make something of the scale of Mozilla, instead of being tied up in lots of little sub-projects.

I completely agree with this. But I also think we are approaching the point in which people need to intentionally keep their eyes open for other ongoing projects as well. Otherwise, it is possible to just focus too tightly, and loose focus. Even in the case of Gecko, it clearly currently is one of the best (if not the best) of it's kind. Still, some day there might be something else based on completely different design (that cannot be easily implemented within Gecko). I believe such a new radical improvements easily originates from fresh minds that have not yet fixed their thoughts to certain way of thinking. It would be a shame if something like that was left unnoticed because of too fixed focus. :)

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[scrytch]

I used to like that K-meleon existed ... until I saw the gaping chasm of distance the developers preferred to keep from the rabble that was their user culture.

There are no binaries of K-meleon that use anything but an old Mozilla 0.9 component, because of some bug that prevents a feature from working ... a feature that's broken anyway in the version embedding the 0.9 component. Compiling mozilla is awesomely cumbersome and resource-hungry on win32, so it's one of those things most people would rather have a binary for. The developers have outright refused to release a current binary, and they are now only privately emailing their latest build around and refusing to release it generally, which aside from being quite probably a material violation of the MPL, speaks volumes about the development culture. Too bad.

Re:Coverage for other browser projects as well

[Dirtside]

Some people respond to this by saying, "No! Let's all pool our resources and make one really GOOD [browser|OS|email client|whatever]." Others respond (or counter-respond) by saying, "Competition is a good thing! Part of the power of open source is that anyone can fork it if they don't like the way it's heading, etc."

Personally, I think nothing is accomplished by anyone *saying* "Let's all pool our resources," since that is what is going to happen anyway. Most people DO want a good, solid, stable piece of software, and it is the nature of competition that competitors tend to get outcompeted, and disappear, eventually. Now, in a regular capitalistic marketplace, that's because there's not enough money to sustain too many competitors, so only the "most fit" will survive. In open source, however, since it's mostly done as a hobby, AND since the work is entirely open, if the people working on a particular project all quit from it, the source is all still there and someone else can pick up the reins. And as long as one person continues to want to use it, it's "alive".

If the OS "marketplace" trends, on its own, toward consolidation, I don't think that's a bad thing; whether it should be actively encouraged is debatable. In other words, is it a good idea for a site like /. to actively support one browser above all others? (I'm not saying it isn't, I'm asking because it's an open question.)

Re:themes

[snake_dad]

Come on, it isn't Internet-"Windows has detected a mousemove, please reboot"-Explorer! No reboots necessary, just restart the browser. Or maybe that was what you meant to type.

Thought you guys would like this

[dcstimm]

Thought you guys would like this:-) http://linux.darylstimm.com/mozilla1280.jpg

Re:Thought you guys would like this

[Fweeky]

It's a Gecko (well, a lizard at least) eating the Microsoft butterfly, no need to panic, moderators.

dcstimm: Blame your high userid (I didn't realise they'd hit half a million, heh) and moderators not bothering to check links. Although tbh I would have prefered it without the butterflies :)

Re:...but does Java work?

[leviramsey]

Java applets would benefit a lot from autoconf(1)

Or from slow torture to the designers who required that a Java applet be there. Java applets are even worse than Flash, and that's gotta count for something.

But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[norculf]

1.1 is still a very immature version, compared to the Internet Explorer family of technologies, which is currently in version 6.x and still being improved daily.

When will Mozilla feature speedier web browsing, and better integration with best-of-breed Microsoft products such as MSN messenger and Outlook XP?

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel would also be helpful.

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[iapetus]

Um. If I understand what you're saying, then you're looking for Multizilla, a tabbed browsing enhancement for Mozilla. You can open a folder full of links as multiple tabs in a Mozilla window with a single click, or set it up to open them on launch.

Time to switch?

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[Captain Large Face]

You can simulate the MS experience (this is a platform-independent tip, BTW) by closing down your browser half way through an important task. I recommend halfway through online banking (works for me). Also, try altering your firewall to allow some moderate security breaches. You'll soon feel right at home.

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[SmileyBen]

So long as you're happy to use tabs to hold your news sites (which most people love after about three days usage):

1) Open each site in a tab.
2) Click Bookmarks | Bookmark this group of tabs.
3) Place resulting bookmark on your personal toolbar.

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[snake_dad]

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel would also be helpful.

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel. :)

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[kalidasa]

Um. If I understand what you're saying, then you're looking for Multizilla [mozdev.org], a tabbed browsing enhancement for Mozilla. You can open a folder full of links as multiple tabs in a Mozilla window with a single click, or set it up to open them on launch. Time to switch?

I can't find who this is replying to, but try Bookmarks > Bookmark this Group of Tabs in 1.1 (without Multizilla).

Re:But Mozilla still has some weaknesses

[bwt]

When will Mozilla feature speedier web browsing, and better integration with best-of-breed Microsoft products such as MSN messenger and Outlook XP?

Mozilla does have "better" integration with MSN messenger and Outbreak : namely by isolating you from those security risks, it helps preserve the integrity of your user experience.

A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel would also be helpful.

Who talks like that? I couldn't give a crap about the "award winning" look-and-feel. The only award I care about is the one I give out, and I prefer the award winning orbit skin to the cellar dweller IE skin.

Re:This version is buggy

[titansfreek]

I think 1.1 fixes many of the glitches or bugs from 1.0, although it did have a glitch the first time I ran it. You might check out the forum at http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2 415 to discuss any issues you had installing or running the new version.

Is this version more buggy?

[StrawberryFrog]

but this version seems quite buggy, at least on Windows XP

Eeep! this is not good news. I am using Mozilla 1.0 on WinXP. On a couple of occasions it has crashed, so I resorted to IE6, which worked just fine.

I was hoping that the 'Improved stability' (What's New in Mozilla 1.1) would have improved this. Anyone else have a perspective on this?

Re:Is this version more buggy?

[kalidasa]

I think I crash about once a week, heavy browsing use. A lot depends upon whether or not you uninstall first, then reinstall. Not ideal, I know, but it's only a few seconds, and your profile and email and such are still intact.

Re:Is this version more buggy?

[StrawberryFrog]

I think I crash about once a week, heavy browsing use.

Is that on XP? The crashes that I had happened all on the same day, when I tried repeatedly to open the same set of sites.

A lot depends upon whether or not you uninstall first, then reinstall.

For the benefit of those of you wondering 'so which is better?' the Mozilla site says 'Installing on top of previously installed builds may cause problems'. So bye-bye bookmarks and downloaded pluggins, hello clean install..

Re:Is this version more buggy?

[asa]

Clean install doesn't touch your bookmarks and if you installed your plugins into your profile directory you'd be able to hold onto them (or just back up your plugins dir. if you're reading slashdot you should be able to do that).

--Asa

Re:Is this version more buggy?

[kalidasa]

"I think I crash about once a week, heavy browsing use."

Is that on XP?

Yes. Wouldn't be any point responding to you if I didn't have the same platform.

"A lot depends upon whether or not you uninstall first, then reinstall."

For the benefit of those of you wondering 'so which is better?' the Mozilla site says 'Installing on top of previously installed builds may cause problems'. So bye-bye bookmarks and downloaded pluggins, hello clean install..

On XP, just use the uninstall mechanism, then install. This leaves behind the bookmarks (which are in your user directory, not in the Mozilla directory). I'm sure there's an easy way to save the plugins, too.

Re:so for the idiots...

[Aanallein]

Can I "update" Mozilla 1 to 1.1 w/o the obligatory uninstallation of v1 then installation of v1.1...
then follow with the time consuming preference settings?

You still have to uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1 - or at least install 1.1 in a different directory than 1.0
However, uninstalling 1.0 doesn't remove your profile - all your preferences will remain and can be used with 1.1 without any problems.
Just make sure not to switch back and forth between 1.0 and 1.1 while using the same profile...

Look for 1.2beta tommorow!

[Ben Jackson]

Well, exactly 24 hours ago I upgraded to 1.1beta because bugzilla claimed it fixed a problem I was having with IFRAME. Now 1.1 is out, and I downloaded it while I was writing this comment. At this rate you should save your bandwidth, and look for 1.2b tommorow night!

Also I predict a low chance of rain tommorow, since I did not wash my car. I will keep you posted.

Re:Look for 1.2beta tommorow!

[asa]

At this rate you should save your bandwidth, and look for 1.2b tommorow night!

Actually, not quite that soon ;-) and not 1.2b. Mozilla 1.1alpha, however, is right around the corner. Expect to see it sometime in the next couple of weeks.

--Asa

Mozilla source here

[Novus]

Try clicking "Get the Source" on the left side of the main Mozilla page, or follow this link.

That funky graph

[Zaffle]

I just want to know what program they used to generate that funky milestone graph. Anyone know?

Re:That funky graph

[Zeddicus_Z]

Photoshop. Or, as the case may be, Gimp. Either way its a 15 minute job. 10 for someone who knows what they're doing.

Re:That funky graph

[asa]

I just want to know what program they used to generate that funky [mozilla.org] milestone graph. Anyone know?

I used a combination of Paint Shop Pro and the Gimp. I'm actually interested in finding some kind of CVS graph program that would generate a picture like this from CVS data. It obviously wouldn't be able to predict the future but it should be able to build an image of CVS activity (branches, checkin volume, tags, etc). I have tried in the past to take some cvs measurements and use checkin volume to determine the thickness of the branch lines but it was just too much effort. If something like that could be done programatically I'd be as happy as a pig in shit. :)

--Asa

Re:That funky graph

[Nachtfalke]

I don't know if it's quite what you are looking for, but cvsgraph makes graphs from cvs repositories. Might be a good starting point.

That's sarcasm, right?

[X_Caffeine]

I've heard of it, been meaning to give it a try sometime.

Mozilla has been slower than MSIE, don't kid yourself, but 1.1 is substantially faster than 1.0, I think they've finally caught up. This is cause to celebrate.

Good golly those application icons are ugly... can't they use the graphics from mozilla.org??

Did I mention it's faster?

Still annoying: when tabbed browsing is enabled, links to open new windows still open new windows (instead of new tabs). Damnit, I'm not going to control-click every link I suspect of opening a new window, this is silly.

Wouldn't it be cool in the download manager were a tabbed webpage?

No, seriously, it's fast on Windows, about as fast as MSIE. I can't wait to try the K-Meleon and Chimarae packages when they catch up to this version.

Re:That's sarcasm, right?

[cscx]

I wish there was a way to open a tab that does not steal focus, i.e., middle clicking will open a background tab, where you don't have to switch to it till the page is finished loading.

Re: That's sarcasm, right?

[Antity]

There is a way to open tabs "in the background":

Preferences->Navigator->Tabbed_Browsing->Load_li nks_In_The_Background

(Space inserted by Slashcode.)

Re: That's sarcasm, right?

[cscx]

LOL, that was too easy. I *swear* I've looked for this once before, maybe it was an old version of Mozilla, or maybe I was drunk.

Re:Download From Gnutella

[Jugalator]

magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:M3UDEZTSE2UK7C6BC2EYF5VFN6N3DB SJ&dn=mozilla-win32-1.1-installer.exe&xs=http%3A// 12.240.86.81%3A6346/uri-res/N2R%3Furn%3Asha1%3AM3U DEZTSE2UK7C6BC2EYF5VFN6N3DBSJ&xs=http://ftp.mozill a.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.1/mozilla-win3 2-1.1-installer.exe&xs=http://archive.progeny.com/ mozilla/releases/mozilla1.1/mozilla-win32-1.1-inst aller.exe&xs=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/i nfosystems/WWW/clients/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.1 /mozilla-win32-1.1-installer.exe

Web Wars - Episode I: Attack of the Hyperlinks

Re:Answer me this.

[Aanallein]

at what point are the developers going stop adding new crap and just focus on fixing bug's?

Never. Though for example the Netscape engineers working on Mozilla might be directed to work only on fixing 'real bugs', many other contributors will always remain interested in extra features that they personally could really use, and contribute patches for these features. And (as long as they don't add too much bloat / are obviously useful for more than a handful of users) those patches will continue to be accepted and Mozilla will continue to become a better, more feature-rich browser.

You know you got to rethink things when mozilla is using 200MB's of ram!

I'd be very surprised if you're seeing such memory usage with 1.1 - Mozilla's memory usage has improved dramatically over the last few months.

Re:Great The best browser ever!!!

[cscx]

When Mozilla uses standard Windows form controls for items such as the browser location drop down list that handle an initial mouse swipe focus like every other browser and text box behaves in any other Windows program, then I'll consider switching.

Re:This version is buggy

[pubjames]

Buggy how?

When I first installed it, it did various strange things, for instance it did not load a site if I typed the url in the box, it would just reload the existing page. However, that seems to be working now.

Also, the addressbook application cannot find one of the side bar panels.

Obligatory Godzilla Comparison

[Captain Large Face]

"Mozilla 1.1 Hits The Streets"

Presumably [in a Internet Cafe] in Downtown Tokyo?

Re:Mozilla is _bad_ so is Galeon

[Anonymous Coward]

you are missing a lot of background information my friend otherwise you would not come up with these brainless statement.

facts:

- to compile galeon you need the whole mozilla package

- to use galeon 2 for example you need to apply a shitload of patches to the gtk2embedmozilla component in mozilla

- to get xft2 support in mozilla you need to apply another shitload of patches.

- the rendering interface you see in the galeon window is gecko (thats true) gecko is a nice and perfect rendering engine (no doubt) unfortunately some idiots made mozilla around of it which makes gecko look like a pile of shit.

- the elements you see in the gecko engine are XUL-widgets specially made from mozilla team for mozilla. XUL widgets are in no way compatible to a sane gnome environment. they always behave strange, differently and doesn't integrate fine into gnome.

- there is no interaction between the mozilla people and the galeon people besides one or two people. to sum it up here. the mozilla people give a damn shit of the needs of galeon. they are doing their own stuff.

- we the users have waited many many months now and there is still no sane gtk2 port for the gtkembed2 widget. now think of the future when gnome 3 comes out and we will be at the same position again. api changed. mozilla needs another 6-8 months until it gets the first patches etc.

- interaction with the gnome environment sucks with mozilla component. you can't drag and drop files (e.g. a tarball link) from the mozilla (galeon) window into your nautilus dir and get that one downloaded. as in konqueror

- .... this can be easily extended.

next time prepare yourself better before replying to me with your clueless background informations. i worked longer on galeon than anyone else.

HTML/Javascript vulnerabilities our RSN

[anonymous cupboard]

We would like to reassure the poster that a dedicated group of software developers are busy tring to put the latest of Internet Explorer features into Mozilla. High on the list are the Javascript vulnerabilities thast you all know and love.

If you would like to help make Mozilla truely IE compatible, please contact us to make it happen!!!

Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Plug]

Those of you who use the tabbed browsing feature in Mozilla (read: almost everyone!) may notice a change in "features" between Mozilla 1.0 and 1.1.

When you have only one tab open, and you instinctively middle-click or Ctrl-W or whatever, your tab bar will disappear - even if you told Mozilla not to hide the tab bar when you only had one window open, with the preferences option.

This behaviour can be considered a feature or a bug - instead of the Close Tab button doing nothing or being disabled when there's one tab, the button now hides the bar. I told Mozilla never to do that! I want the tab bar there at all times!

The bug is at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159191 (copy and paste this into a new window, bugzilla doesn't allow links from Slashdot.)

Also, why do tabs now have to close left to right, prey tell? I open Slashdot in my first tab, read everything I want, and read the first page that loads (normally the first tab) and work my way through articles. With this setup, you will just get sent back to Tab 1 every time.

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

why do tabs now have to close left to right, prey tell?

Because this allows for hugely more efficient browsing if you follow more than one link per page.
Imagine googling for a specific subject. You open the first five links and keep the results page open for further searching if by some strange impossibility the first five results werent what you're looking for. So now you hit ctrl-pagedown to go to the next tab, which has the first search result. You quickly glance over the page but it isn't what you were looking for. ctrl-w closes the tab.
Now with the old behaviour, the tab to the left would be focused. But you don't want that tab! You want the next result. So you have to manually focus the next tab again (oh, bother). And when you close that one, the same friggin first tab focuses and you once more have to manually go to the next one...
With the new behaviour however, the tab to the right gets the focus - when you're done with the first search result and close the tab - the second search result shows. And when you're done with that one, the third one shows. No other actions needed than closing tabs.

Imagine the use of this for reading forums, or archived mailinglists, or... well, everything that consists of a collection of links where it matters in which order you read them. Yes, it is somewhat disconcerting to see the behaviour change like that when you were used to the old way - but change is good! Give it a few minutes, really try to see the use of it, and you'll almsot certainly come to see that the new way to do this is a vast improvement.

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[DeadSea]

I like that way of doing it in some instances, but usually it isn't what I want. I would expect it to behave like alt-tab on windows where ctrl-pgdn (soon to be ctrl-tab, btw) or closing a window goes back to the tab you used most recently.

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

Bug requests for a pref on this have been shot down before (for example bug 131037), but if you submit a new bug where you clearly explain the way you're browsing and why in that scenario the new closing method is undesirable, you might have a chance. Don't go into a lot of options - only request left-to-right versus right-to-left with a hidden pref.

You can also just fix the behaviour yourself. If you only try a new mozilla version every few months it'd be worth it. I'm asuming you use windows for the following - if you use linux you should be able to figure out the differences yourself:
In your mozilla/chrome directory (note: mozilla itself, not the profile) there's a file toolkit.jar - backup this file and then unzip it in its current location - so you have subdirectories chrome/toolkit/content/... Open the file tabbrowser.xml in your favorite text-editing program (notepad should do) and locate the line:
else if (index == this.mPanelContainer.childNodes.length - 1)
this should be on line 761. Edit it to:
else if (index > 0)
save and rezip to toolkit.jar. Make certain the directory structure is the same as it was before - so all content in the zipfile is located in a subdirectories with content/ being the first subdirectory.
Run mozilla and enjoy tabs that close from right to left. If somehow this doesn't work (most likely a problem with how you zipped the archive) restore the backup and try again.

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[Aanallein]

More to the point, why isn't there an individual tab close button as part of each tab?

It's been proposed (of course) and this was marked wontfix - this gets way too crowded (you should have seen the mockup screenshots - created by the people actually proposing this) and makes it likely you accidentally close tabs when meaning to switch between them.
Middle-click on the tab itself (or ctrl-w) to close tabs will have to do. And indeed these options do so admirably. :)

Re:Tab bar issues in Mozilla 1.1

[leighklotz]

Galeon puts the close X's on the tabs and it works fine for me and looks OK.

Size of Binary

[popeyethesailor]

The size of the binary has jumped by a full megabyte from 1.0 to 1.1. I understand lots of new functionality has been added, but i hope there are also efforts to maintain(decrease?) the size of binary. There are still dialup users in some places :(

I would love to see a browser-only Mozilla variant weighing around 3-4 MB (Opera-sized).(I understand there is the Net-installer stuff, but it still takes upto 7MB)

Re:Size of Binary

[mindriot]

In case you're under Linux, use Galeon. I've been using it exclusively for quite a while. OK, you'll still have to install the core Mozilla packages, as Galeon renders via Gecko, but even on my old K6/233+96MB RAM box Galeon used to run just fine. My Debian package seems to only depend on mozilla-browser... admitted, that's a >9MB _package_ already.

Re:Size of Binary

[Sj0]

Salvation?

It's getting a little old, but you can't complain about a browser that doesn't crash -- PERIOD.

Re:IT's most heartening

[moonbender]

IE doesn't come even remotely close to Opera's speed, not on my current system (XP1800+), and not on my previous system (Duron 850). The rendering speed is about the same, but try switching through different windows: Opera switches instantly, while IE has a noticable delay. That's where Opera's true strength is, and only with this feature multi-window surfing is truly feasible for me.

Galeon2

[daserver]

Galeon 2 is under development but it's still not there. Come on, I really need a great browser for gnome2 :) http://galeon.sourceforge.net/galeon2/

still missing...

[guile*fr]

i wish they:
- clean up their dir hierarchy
- get rid of that crappy shell script launcher
- improve the openning of urls from cli (to use
-remote an instance of moz must be running)
- use a ~/.mozilla/addons for things like mouse
gestures, for now u have to launch moz as root &
install the extra app

Re: Download From Gnutella

[Antity]

The download link for Shareaza is dead (seems the host the download on their website points to fell out of DNS).

Most other sites only list shareaza.com as download site or don't offer the latest version (1600).

So here is a working mirror for Shareaza I found:

Download Shareaza 1600 from Freenet.de

Dynamically enable/disable plugins

[Quixote]

I'm looking for a feature (that others have requested too) that will allow me to dynamically enable/disable a plugin (Hint: Flash ads, or stupid Java tickers). I know I can just muck around with the plugins directory, but that is more of a permanent change. It would be nice to have a dropdown menu about all of the plugins installed, and enable/disable them like that; or you could bind some hot keys to enable/disable specific plugins.

Re:Dynamically enable/disable plugins

[asa]

Try Jesse's Zap embeds bookmarklet. It's not perfect but I've come to depend on it. Just add the bookmarklet to your personal toolbar and whenever you visit a site with an annoying flash ad or java plugin just bonk on the personal toolbar link and the plugin gets zapped.

There are lots of great bookmarklets at Jesse's site. Take a look around and give some of them a try. I couldn't get by without them.

--Asa

Still with problems with XML

[famazza]

It's very sad to notice that XML tag matching problem, due to an error when converting tags to uppercase, is still there.

I wish I had knowledgement to fix this.

It's really sad to know that any version of Mozilla cannot be used to edit XML, such a feature should be considered very important, but this bug exists since 0.8.x version (I don't remember exactly which)

Re:Still with problems with XML

[BZ]

Um... this is a _web_browser_. It happens (unfortunately) to come with an HTML editor. Are you using that to edit XML? Because that would be a little odd, no?

Re:Still with problems with XML

[famazza]

Ok, I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear.

What I mean is that mozilla's HTML forms cannot be used to edit XML, because they mismatch some elements cases, causing element mismatch error.

So Mozilla HTML forms can't be used to edit XML.

For those who miss MSIE look&feel

[Tarqwak]

For those who would like to switch to Mozilla but feel a bit uncomfortable by it's appearance I'd suggest you try out few of my pointers to get MSIE look & feel for Mozilla.

The instructions shown on the page barely scratch the surface on how much Mozilla can be tweaked for your needs, no other browser comes close. For example if you'd like to use different keyboard shortcuts in MSIE - yeah good luck with that, but in Mozilla little fiddling with XUL and voila :) Power of OSS!

Mozilla with MSIE skin & keyboard shortcuts - ultimate BOFH tool for getting some new users to our beloved browser.

IMAP Mail problems

[4im]

I installed Mozilla 1.1 alongside 1.0. I do like the browser (for the few seconds I've used it), but the mail client caused me to go back to 1.0: I access my email trough IMAP on a Lotus Notes server, and my mail folders (except for Inbox) were totally messed up, and I couldn't access anything. If someone's got an idea what's happening...

Re:IMAP Mail problems

[Eil]

Try backing up and then deleting your profile and starting anew. Mozilla releases in the 1.0.x series are fairly well guaranteed not to cause any huge problems when upgrading, but any other upgrade path can or will cause problems.

FWIW, I haven't had a profile-related problem since 0.9.2 or so.

Also, maybe use POP. I was using IMAP for awhile, but it's just way too slow for my taste, even over broadband.

Wrong forum, but I'll ask anyhow

[Hektor_Troy]

How do I change the various keyboard-shortcuts?

Comming from [browser], it'd be easier to set up the keyboard shortcuts you're used to, than having to get used to a new set.

Re:Wrong forum, but I'll ask anyhow

[Hektor_Troy]

I was hoping for something I could guide my mom through on the phone; maybe an idea for a plug-in?

Re:Wrong forum, but I'll ask anyhow

[re-Verse]

The Customizing mozilla page is also very useful. You can change nearly everything from there.

Customizing Mozilla

Mozilla advocacy you can wear

[cgrayson]

They're still there, and they still being sold at (Cafe Press's) cost: ShirtZilla

Re:Crappy Start Page - Unprofessional Splash Scree

[skt]

well, it's a technology test and so it doesn't have to look professional. If you want a nice looking splash screen wait for Netscape7. Having said that, you can download another splash screen for mozilla here. Some are very nice, although mozilla sits in turbo mode enough for me not to worry about the splash screen as I never see it.

The Only Thing Else I Want

[Quila]

Please, please, please can I have the ability to rearrange the bookmarks live as in IE, rather than going to the bookmark editor every time.

Re:The Only Thing Else I Want

[Aanallein]

Please, please, please can I have the ability to rearrange the bookmarks live as in IE, rather than going to the bookmark editor every time.

You can in the bookmarks menu on the personal toolbar - it's only regular menus that aren't editable (yet).

Re:The Only Thing Else I Want

[El Volio]

Have you tried this lately? Works for me, in menus as well as in the bookmark bar.

This is horrible

[Frank of Earth]

Edit, Preferences, change Cache settings to "Every time I view the page" and instant lockup.

The only amusing thing is that XP prompts you to send the error report to MS

Re:This is horrible

[Eil]

Heh, Mozilla and other OSS software are the only error reports I bother to send in on XP. I figure that as long as proprietary software developers are getting paid for their work, they shouldn't have to rely on volunteers to do their bughunting for them.

P.S: It would be a good idea to install/enabled Talkbalk on your Mozilla build so that the developers know about this. If I ever find a really horrible bug that shouldn't have made it through the development cycle, sometimes I'll make it crash on purpose 5 or 6 times just so the Mozilla guys watching the talkback data get the hint. ;) (Duplicate Talkback reports are not probably not exactly encouraged if the user can help it, but wouldn't be nearly as frowned upon as duplicate bug reports.)

Grrrrrr...

[Whispers_in_the_dark]

They *still* haven't fixed the multiple open mozilla bug, that is I can't have two Mozilla's use the same profile without doing the Create New Window thing. This is a pain for those of us who use multiple desktops in KDE/Gnome and would like to just punch the Mozilla icon to start up a new window. This is an old bug and has caused a good deal of debate over time (http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12269 8) and had a stinking patch since 0.96 if memory serves.

I *LIKE* Mozilla and I use it as my preferred browser but novice users are only confused by the whole profile notion and it is clearly not pleasant for (some) verterans too.

* I was going to put a link to the bug in my post but when I tested the link I get "Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled." Sounds like a preemptive strike to me.

shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[Twister002]

This is a big gripe of mine about Mozilla too. Sometimes I have to click and swipe 3 o 4 times before I finally select the text in the address bar. I do this a lot when I copy and paste links into there or when I want to change the URL a tad.

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[jridley]

Yes, you do have to click and click and swipe. If I want to modify the URL in my address bar right now, I click once, it selects everything. Then I have to click again to turn off the "everything highlighted" and get to just a cursor in the field. Then I have to click and swipe again. THREE clicks and a swipe to highlight part of a string. With IE it's click, click/swipe. The problem is not so much that it's one more click, it's that it's different from every other app on the platform.

Also I swear sometimes Mozilla acts differently, though I can't reproduce it.

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[cscx]

If you want to edit the URL, swiping from the left, the behavior of the Mozilla text box is atypical to 99% of other Windows programs. For example, in IE, I can just click and swipe anywhere in the URL from left to right and it will highlight only what you intended to select. Mozilla uses a custom control for this with odd behavior -- you have to click multiple times to get the selection just right, and might even end up "editing" it -- clicking and dragging when it doesn't want you to will "pick up" and "move" select portions of the URL to other places in the box.

Of course that was modded as Flamebait... this is Slashdot, remember, we can only talk trash about non-Open-Source software, cause Open Source is totally 100% problem-free software. Jeez, no one has ever heard of "constructive criticism" have they?

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[Twister002]

not to mention that sometimes I have to click 2 or 3 times before it will select the entire text line.

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[asa]

Yes, you do have to click and click and swipe.

If this is your big gripe about Mozilla then you're gonna love 1.1 because it works as you'd expect now.

--Asa

Re:shouldn't be modded as flamebait

[cscx]

Strange, I just tried this on Mozilla 1.1 and IE6 on my XP machine and Mozilla worked perfectly, I could click and drag(or swipe if you wish) from the left or the right and it would only highlight that part.

IE however I had to click then click and drag to select just a portion of a URL as clicking and dragging caused no different behaviour than simply clicking.

Wow, I seriously hope you're not trolling, but the truth is the exact opposite. Swapping the words "IE" and "Mozilla" in the above post would yield the exact behaviour that is exhibited.

Fast Mirror

[kalidasa]

If anyone else is having the problems I'm having downloading from the main site, you might want to try the following mirror, which is running much faster:

http://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozi ll a1.1/

Mozilla Quicklaunch

[Bonker]

If you're in any way worried about loading speed, turn on the 'Quicklaunch' feature under the advanced options area in your preferences.

This loads Moz into memory on OS bootup, the same way that Windows loads IE components. It shortens apparent application startup time significantly.

Me, I don't worry about it, since you spend the time loading the app into memory either way, but have the option of unloading it to reclaim an extra 20 mb or so when you need to do something like open a large graphics file.

Re:Mozilla Quicklaunch

[jovlinger]

even under M$, I would have thought that the browser's memory would have been swapped to disk, thereby taking up no physical memory, when you need all the RAM you can get.

Re:Mozilla Quicklaunch

[Bonker]

Some components, such as the HTML renderer, are *never* swapped to disk because they are used to render parts of the desktop, especially under XP. Of course the memory footprint for these compenents is 'hidden' under the umbrella of Kernel memory.

Moz 1.1 sits in about 32mb of ram under normal conditions. This can swell or even double if you've got a bunch of tabs open or are loading a huge, graphically intense page. Also, ram allocated to plugins like Flash, etc.. is listed as still belonging to Mozilla, so that figure can rise dramatically, depending on the webpage.

Windows 2000, for comparison's sake, sits in about 64 mb of ram. XP has a footprint that's about 128mb wide, but a lot of that does get cached out... especially the multimedia components that are otherwise active all the time. Since Winnt4 without IE 4 or 5 will comfortably operate in 16mb or ram or less, I can only assume that most of the ram needed for Win2k and Xp are used by services or components related to Intenet Explorer, Media Player, and in some cases, Office.

Why should I upgrade (besides to help effort)

[Peyna]

I'm pretty happy with Mozilla 1.0; is there any reason I should bother putting 1.1, besides helping out in the never-ending search for bugs? I don't believe the only bug that annoys me has been fixed yet, anyone have any other compelling reason to upgrade?

Re:Why should I upgrade (besides to help effort)

[miracle69]

Is the bug the fact that bugzilla won't let you go to pages that are directly linked from Slashdot?

Re:Why should I upgrade (besides to help effort)

[Peyna]

No, why don't you copy the link and see? Actually, I had no idea that bugzilla blocked slashdot links, perhaps more people are getting smart. Anyway, about 10 minutes after posting this, my bug finally got confirmed. So I guess someone found it. =]

Re:Why should I upgrade (besides to help effort)

[Eil]

It works fine if you have a bugzilla account and a corresponding cookie in your current browser.

Re:Breaks Galeon?

[thesolo]

Will installing this break Galeon?

Galeon is probably dependent on an earlier version of Mozilla, either a .9x or 1.0 release.

What I tend to do is install Mozilla 1.0 to satisfy Galeon & Nautilus, and then install nightlies/future releases in /usr/local/mozilla. Then just run /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla to launch your 1.1 copy, instead of just 'mozilla' to launch 1.0.

Download from giFT/OpenFT

[RPoet]

mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-1.1.tar.gz can be had from giFT/OpenFT. Hash 41f7588955a35a0bafa63426eae04dc8.

Re:Modular updates .. That would be a charm ..

[BZ]

Use the net installer.

Mozilla 1.0.1 cured the spell check crashes.

[Futurepower(R)]

My experience: Mozilla 1.0.1 cured the spell check crashes. That was the latest version until the release of 1.1.

Re:Mozilla 1.01RC2?

[bmetzler]

Why doesn't Mozilla.org publicise the 1.01 release candidates anywhere?

Woah boy!!! You just said that Mozilla publised the 1.01 release candidate on their 1.0 start page, and the second sentence afterward ask why they didn't publise it? Please try to do something to increase your attention span. Thanks :)

Anyways, the only people interested in 1.01 anymore are those using 1.0. So the only place that Mozilla need to publicise it would by on the 1.0 start page. For everyone there's 1.1 now.

-Brent

Quick hack to allow IE-Only pages?

[Tokerat]

...ok so it doesnt' solve everything, but I notice alot of pages that are "IE Only" and use CSS also use quotation marks in the CSS code, as in

p {
background="#FF0000";
}

This works just fine in IE but will break many versions of AOL and just about every version of any other browser that supports style sheets and causes page rendering with no styles, which is at best, ugly, at worst, completely useless, possibly invisible or non-functional.

I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet but it would enable more "IE Only" pages to be viewed, at least a little better, in Mozilla. The only problem is standards compliance, as far as I know quotation marks are not part of the standard...perhaps a "More friendly towards 'IE-Only' pages" option in the prefs?

Mozilla theme

[weird mehgny]

Get this theme. Very, very smooth and clean. Several amplitudes better than the default theme. It's surprising that Mozilla doesn't come with this supplied as a standard...

Re:Mozilla theme

[WWWWolf]

My favorite is Lo-Fi classic - this is just about as clean as themes can get, and definitely should come with Mozilla! Sometimes show this to the (unregistered) Opera users to show how schweet and uncluttered and fast this thing can be. =)

Re:Mozilla theme

[cant_get_a_good_nick]

I like Orbit . Fairly legible, bright. Radio buttons and check boxes look too similar tho, losing their ability to tell you what they are.

Re:Breaks Galeon / API freeze?

[bmetzler]

I thought 1.0 meant an API freeze for Mozilla. Even if new features were added, the old ones should stay the way they are.

You hit that right on the head. However, This story isn't talking about the 1.0 brnahc, but the 1.1 branch. If you want the 1.0 branch with the frozen API, you want to download 1.0.1rc instead. I believe the link is right there on the 1.0 start page.

-Brent

Re:The IE skin is actually very good

[snake_dad]

It is the smallest and, I think, fastest of the Moz skins.

My favorite theme: Pinball.

Mouse gestures - misleading

[mgkimsal2]

I installed the mouse gestures package, expecting it to be like Opera. It should be labelled 'mouse + keystroke gestures'. 'Click + left button + left' = 'back'. Right-clicking for a context menu then selecting 'back' is easier. I thought mouse gestures were intended to make things easier. Having to click a key isn't. There are already keystrokes for many of the common 'mouse gestures'.

Re:Mouse gestures - misleading

[Leto2]

Go to "Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Mouse gestures" and de-select all modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift). I have my mouse gesture button set to the right button, so all I need to do for "back" is "right button + left", which works great. If you hold down the right button without moving / gesturing, you'll get your normal context menu.

Got SVG yet?

[4of12]

I don't suppose that the Mozilla 1.1 binaries have been compiled with SVG support yet?

I grabbed an SVG-enabled binary for Linux from not too long ago and it crashed pretty quickly.

The SVG DOM specification looks like a really interesting way to introduce more full-featured graphics, including user input, so I was hoping that something like this would become mainstream sooner rather than later.

How did this get modded up?

[Faramir]

I'm shocked to see this piece get modded up. When there's a story about Red Hat, Red Hat people add stuff in (berol?). When HP is up, Perens often joins the discussion. But these are in support of their own companies, not attacking others. They are positively informative, whilst this is negatively trolling. At least the guy (if this isn't a pure troll) admits to being from MS. I wouldn't put this past someone there, but then again this is so egregious that its difficult to believe its not a fake.

Source code tarball?!

[Rev Snow]

Could they make it any harder to find?

I've clicked around forever and still
can't find a simple *.tar.gz form of
the 1.1 source code release.

Re:Source code tarball?!

[asa]

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozill a1.1/

If it's not there yet then it's not done yet. Check back later today.

--Asa

Preferences Bar doesn't work in Mozilla 1.1

[fialar]

I installed it twice, and every time I restarted Mozilla, it's not there.

It's not even under View -> Show/hide.

I guess they may have to release an update for it.

Re:Preferences Bar doesn't work in Mozilla 1.1

[LordNimon]

It doesn't work for me either. I just installed 1.1 on Windows 2000, and I don't see any way to turn it on.

Lucky me, I beat /.!

[eschasi]

Last night just before heading for bed, it occurred to me that I'd not checked to see the latest version of Mozilla in a while. When the website said '1.1', I just assumed I'd been out of touch. Instead, it seems I'd gotten there just before the /. hit. *chortle* Lucky moi.

Re:Mozilla 1.01RC2?

[bmetzler]

What's the difference between 1.01 and 1.1 ?

What's new.

Can we upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 or should we wait for 1.01 ?

Yes, you can definately upgrade to 1.1 from 1.0.

-Brent

My solution

[KnightStalker]

I have my mozilla shortcuts point to this shellscript. Note that it will only work correctly if there is only one instance of moz running on your machine... shouldn't be too hard to fix, if needed. Change the paths as appropriate.

#!/bin/bash
MOZ=`grep -e '^/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla-bin' /proc/[1-9]*/cmdline | head -1`;
if [ -n "$MOZ" ]
then
/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -remote "openURL($1,new-window)"
else
/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla $1
fi

The only thing mozilla needs now is..........

[Oxide]

PERFORMANCE

yes performance; forget about more features, forget about bugs hunting, I think these are up to an acceptable level to us now. What we need to focus on is making this baby FASTER. I recommended the browser to a windows user, after a few days I asked him how is it? he said he diched it because it is "way too slower than IE". I had to agree.

I advice the mozilla developers to start working heavily into getting mozilla to load faster and perform faster.

Re:The only thing mozilla needs now is..........

[David Gerard]

What happens is that the performance is improved incrementally. 1% faster here, 2% faster there. Things that hurt performance 3% get backed out almost immediately. And so on.

What this means over the course of a year or so is a smaller, faster browser. Mozilla 1.0 was better in every way than Mozilla M18, but was much faster and actually had a smaller memory footprint.

Developers are looking out for bigger performance wins, but the incremental approach is producing results without stability tradeoffs.

Open Link in Tab

[Flave]

In Mozilla's Windows version 1.0, right-clicking on a link brought up the 'Open in New Tab' item at the top of the popup menu. With version 1.1, this is now the second item in the popup menu. If you liked the old way, have a look at this Google thread.

Re:Open Link in Tab

[Eil]

Er, I just downloaded 1.1 and I didn't notice this because it's a great deal easier to just middle-click the link. I think you have to have an opion enabled in the prefs dialog, though.

easy to fix!

[Felipe Hoffa]

Remember its open source, you can adapt it to your own needs.

Just take the file piemenu.js in mozilla/chrome/radialcontext/content and change this line:

this.labelTrigger= setTimeout("PieMenu.prototype.act.showLabels();", 900);

The timeout is fixed in 900 by default, you can make it lower.

While you are there you can find a lot of options, just don't be afraid to try.

Fh

Before uninstallation...

[plover]

I agree, that made the radial menu unusable for me.

And uninstalling hasn't been possible. I remove some of the stuff from prefs.js, some of it from installed-chrome.txt, some from chrome.rdf, try deleting directories, and any random combination of these either doesn't remove the radial menus, or it keeps mozilla from functioning. I have not yet found the magic combo that actually just removes the radial menus. (I'm having troubles removing the Googlebar too, just in case you're the sort of person who wants to post instructions for me.... :-)

Mozdev has some possibly great features, but I've been bitten by the inability to uninstall things often enough now that I'm gun-shy to try new ones. Mozilla needs a base-level uninstaller that can undo the damage done by any of these random add-ons. Mozilla should be able to keep track of all files added/modified by any of these add-ons, and be able to undo them at the click of a button. Asking the user to edit prefs.js, chrome.rdf, etc., etc., etc. is not end-user acceptable.

Re:Before uninstallation...

[cjpez]

It's under the preferences somewhere . . . Just uncheck "Use Radial Thingamajiggers" or whatever. It's not quite the same thing as uninstalling, but it does the trick.

How can I...

[rosewood]

Is it possible that I can just have moz run on X start up, AND THATS IT? I have a box thats not very heavy that needs to have NYSE.com on at all times but I dont want the overhead of panel, etc. etc. etc. How the hell can I get just moz to run??

Re:How can I...

[tuffy]

If you mean running Mozilla without a window manager/desktop environment/etc., just make a .xsession file with these contents:

#!/bin/bash

mozilla http://nyse.com

Then make it executable. The result should be when the account is logged into, mozilla will start. And, when mozilla is exited, the account will log out. There'll be no window manager - just an X session with mozilla running. However, you may have to use moz's -height and -width options to get it to fit on the screen properly since there won't be a window manager to help you resize it.

Unless, of course, you have a different idea in mind.

Re:How can I...

[rosewood]

Close actually

two clarifying points

1: What about when the login is not gui, its text, so they already have logged in, and normally just run startx ?

2: Any idea how to add the height width to Moz?

Re:How can I...

[Eil]

1. Add "startx" to the user's .profile, or go the xinit route. For more info on the latter, go a-googlin'.

2. According to the outdated command-line doc on mozilla.org, height and width are determined by "-height" and "-width". Or just use a window manager that can remember the settings and start that before Mozilla.

Re:x-scriptlet

[jjn1056]

Aren't Scriptlets IE only? Do they work on Communicator? Are they an open standard? I remembere hearing something about these a few years ago but I don't recall...

Re:You're joking right?

[0x0d0a]

That doesn't mean that it actually *needs* that much CPU time, just that it uses that much.

Some of us despise CPU cycle waste.

Re:IT's most heartening

[0x0d0a]

It was to feature the *standard* rendering engine.

Any wasted CPU cycles in a reference engine make a lot of people unhappy by making their computers less usable.

Moz is/was a Netscape project

[0x0d0a]

I like the fact that the OSS community has banded together enough to make something of the scale of Mozilla

Frankly, I really, really doubt if Mozilla would exist today if Netscape hadn't been such a strong, driving force behind it. They supplied many (if not most) of the engineers to write the code.

The largest "volunteerish" Open Source project I can think of is probably XFree86 or maybe Linux.

Succcess of such a large system requires extreme modularity, so that someone can drop in and write a patch. It's not that easy to just drop into the Moz source.

I get the feel that, while people *could* volunteer to write stuff for Moz, Moz was more of a Netscape project that happened to be very open to the public.

Need integration with external e-mail

[KjetilK]

I'm running Opera, Mozilla and Konqi every day on my box now, and I really can't decide between them. Opera is a bit unstable and unfree, Konqi doesn't have tabbed browsing (will soon), and lacks a few other nice features too.

Mozilla lacks something very important: It doesn't work smoothly with KMail which is my mail program of choice right now.

Mozilla really needs to integrate well with other applications. Most importantly, it really needs a way to launch an application when users click on a mailto-link. This is bug 11459.

Also quite important is that you can launch Mozilla and have it open a new tab (not window) from other applications. This is Bug 104204.

I would encourage everybody to join in to get this working! :-)

Why Wasn't I Notified of This?!

[dgenr8]

Mozilla 1.0 has a setting for automatic software update notifications, which I have enabled. Why wasn't I notified of this?!

Re:Why Wasn't I Notified of This?!

[bunratty]

Mozilla 1.0 has a setting for automatic software update notifications, which I have enabled. Why wasn't I notified of this?!

The options for Update Notifications are weekly or monthly. If you select the option to check for updates on a weekly basis, of course there can be up to a one week delay until you are notified of a new release.

The feature is more for clueless users who don't know to check for updates, so the default is to check on a weekly basis. If this feature didn't exist, there would be many users running years-old versions of Mozilla.

Re:Why Wasn't I Notified of This?!

[Eil]

Heh, for the record, thanks to slashdot I have never received this notification once and I've been using Moz exclusively since around 0.9.0.

Then again, the notification might only work (as most would expect) for stable releases, which are defined as those being in the 1.0.x series.

Re:The IE skin is actually very good

[seanmeister]

... but not nearly as good as Orbit.... the m version has smaller buttons and whatnot to keep your toolbars nice and small...

confirmation before closing content

[Dr. Awktagon]

Well since a lot of folks are using this as a place to post questions here's mine.. (and whoever posted about switching tabs with the keyboard, thank you! My mozilla experience just got 157.9% better. :-)

How can I make Mozilla bring up a confirmation dialog before quitting, if there are multiple windows open, or files being downloaded. And it would also be nice to get a confirmation before closing a window with multiple tabs.

Basically I'd like Mozilla to confirm before closing any content in other windows or tabs besides the current one. I usually have about 5-10 Mozilla windows spread out over multiple desktops, some with multiple tabs, and whenever I accidentally quit or hit the close button I cringe as I try to remember what was open that I really needed to look at.

Some other options for this might be a "bookmark all windows and tabs in one big fat bookmark", or a "remember all open windows and tabs on exit" kind of option.

I use Konquerer about as much as I do Mozilla, where "Quit" just quits the current window, and quitting the bookmark editor doesn't quit the browser .. sometimes I get them mixed up. Other times my brain just goes off on its own...

Or maybe 1.1 can do this?? Somebody, please drop some Mozilla science on me. :-)

Re:confirmation before closing content

[Julian352]

I can answer one of your questions:
"Bookmark all as one bookmark" is available in 1.0, but is made more apparent in 1.1
In 1.0, when you bookmark a page that is part of bookmarks, you have to use "File Bookmark" and then check the box to bookmark them all.
In 1.1, there's now a separate bookmark all tabs option in bookmark menu.

Re:confirmation before closing content

[David Gerard]

A confirm dialogue on quitting was committeed to death as 'modal = bad'. Of course, that didn't mean they removed that instant-death Ctrl+Q for quit ... I forget which, but there is an XUL file you can edit to remove the Ctrl+Q combination.

hehehe that is funny

[bogie]

"1.1 is still a very immature version, compared to the Internet Explorer family of technologies, which is currently in version 6.x and still being improved daily"

No problem Netscape 7 is coming out and then we will have a version 7.x to trump your 6.x

"When will Mozilla feature speedier web browsing, and better integration with best-of-breed Microsoft products such as MSN messenger and Outlook XP"

Well it already is faster at rendering pages then IE. Especially its faster than IE for Linux. Ooops I forgot you don't make a product for linux. When is that coming out again? Regarding integration with Microsoft products, feel free, they are your virus magnets, I mean products after all.

"A theme that more closely matches the award winning Windows look-and-feel would also be helpful."

Hehe now its award wining huh? Well I guess Apple would be proud of you for stealing their ideas. If you really need the "IE" look and feel, just download the IE theme from Mozdev.org.

Re:...but does Java work?

[leviramsey]

Idiot.

I wasn't knocking the language. However, most Java applets are useless and pure unadulterated crap. On those grounds, I propose beating web designers who use Java applets over the head.

Not a flame at the language. Java is okay as a learning language and may even be a decent apps language. On the server, it's pretty good, and J2EE looks okey-dokey.

Re:No Source!!

[GiMP]

One word (well, one abbr. for 3 words): CVS

A requested feature by little ol me

[indiigo]

A great feature that I would love to see is a shortcut to change different preferences. An example:

99% of the time I want to only have images from the site loaded, and javascript disabled, and shockwave not there. However there are a few instances, such as hardware forums and sites I support with advertising, as well as the evil msnbc.com, that I would like some things back enabled, or preferences changed. A quick shortcut key to the rescue?

please?

Re:A requested feature by little ol me

[bluephone]

Try PrefBar over at XULplanet. It has exactly what you're looking for.

Re:New icons, thank god

[lanner]

I am on a win32 system right now

I agree. I liked the old Mozilla icons.

How to make Mozilla use standard Windows Controls

[petard]

1. Go here and click on the Install link to download and install the theme.
2. Click on the "View" Menu
3. Click on "Apply Theme"
4. Click on "Internet Explorer"
5. Close all Mozilla windows.

Next time you launch Mozilla, it will use standard Windows controls and look distrubingly like Internet Explorer. Hope this Helps.

Java is a separate product from Mozilla or JavaScr

[dananderson]

Java is a separate product downloadable from Sun. Mozilla can't "fix" Java because Mozilla doesn't implement Java. Java functionality is available from a separate Sun plugin.

Now if you're talking about "JavaScript," a scripting language embedded in HTML, that's something completely different. JavaScript and Java are completely unrelated and (unfortunately) only share part of a name. JavaScript is a poorly defined language, so various browsers implement it differently (and have different bugs).

Re:How to make Mozilla use standard Windows Contro

[cscx]

Nope. It still uses Moz' custom controls...

Here's how it goes:

Say http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/27/162624 1&mode=nested&tid=155&threshold=-1 is in the addr bar of IE and Moz and I want to drag and delete everything after ".org/". In IE, I click once to highlight, then drag from comments.pl over right, and it highlights. In Moz, you click to highlight, but if you click again and swipe over, you envoke "edit mode" in Mozilla's custom combo box control. Mozilla requires an extra click in between -- this, again, is different from all standard Windows controls. This I believe is one of the longest standing problems with Linux (note the similarity) -- lack of consistency among programs. Linux needs a standard set of controls -- not a mishmash of GTK+, qt, and Yo Mamma's toolkit controls. I think Mozilla should stick to the standards --- use GTK if appropriate, but reference Windows' common controls objects under Windows. The same thing should apply under MacOS.

What all is needed tp upgrade to 1.1?

[frovingslosh]

From the relaese notes: Install into a new empty directory. Installing on top of previously installed builds may cause problems.

So what all is needed to upgrade? Copy the bookmark file? Where are the browser preferences and other settings stored? Is there no easy way to automate this rather than just give the warning to start over again? I'm not asking for myself, but rather for a novice who is resisting upgrading because she doesn't have time to upgrade and wants to be sure she gets everything when she does.

Re:What all is needed tp upgrade to 1.1?

[asa]

The recommendation says nothing about your profile. All you have to do is uninstall the old mozilla and install the new one (leaving your profile alone) and everything will be fine.

--Asa

Has this featured moved/disappeared??

[steppin_razor_LA]

I used to have a bar that went across the top of the browser that had check boxes for proxies, fonts, colors, javascript, popups, etc...

I can't figure out where this went and I desperately want it back... help???

Re:themes

[cetan]

Ah, then I apply blame squarely on the lack of coffee yesterday.

Orbit is fantastic, especially with the new smaller icon option one can add to the chrome.css file. Also, Lopburi Flat is a great minimalistic theme.

It's amazing at how much faster Mozilla can be with a less intensive theme.

Quoted in c|net

[cornflux]

hey, if you didn't know, your post was quoted in a C|NET article.

Re:boot

[jovlinger]

still get's stuck in the email wizard. Completely impossible to back out of! Great engineering...

Re:Crappy Start Page - Unprofessional Splash Scree

[MythosTraecer]

I love the splash screen. It's Mozilla, he's back and he's breathing FIRE!

And the beast shall come forth surrounded by a roiling cloud of vengeance. The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be scorched to the earth. Their tags shall blink until the end of days.
--The Book of Mozilla, 12:10