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Flash Games as Political Commentary

Clive Thompson writes "All over the net, there are little shockwave games inspired by political events -- from the WTO-style New York Defender to War on Terrorism to even Downing Street Fighter (where British politicians beat each other senseless, Street-Fighter-Style). Sure, like most Shockwave-generated stuff, they may suck as games. But that's missing the point. What's happening here is nothing less than the emergence of the online video game as a form of social comment -- something you dash off in a couple of hours to make a sardonic political point about something. It's a new notepad for communication. Or at least, that's what I argued in this piece in Slate today. In addition to the craven self-promotion of sending it in to Slashdot, I'm interested in hearing what everyone thinks of this issue. After all, courts have recently been arguing that video games cannot be protected speech; these games make it patently obvious that this view is insane." The columnist missed a better example of the genre - the EFF's game of digital restrictions management.

215 comments

  1. imniportant by avandesande · · Score: 2, Funny

    geeks always think that what they are doing is more important and has more social relevance than it is. Where Katz when you need him?

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    1. Re:imniportant by ACNeal · · Score: 0

      I was actually surprised, when I read the blurb.

      I just assumed it was Katz, then it slowly dawned on me that it was in italics. I then assumed it was one of Katz's little correspondance affairs.

      I looked at the by-line and was surprised to see that it was michael that posted the story.

    2. Re:imniportant by Anixamander · · Score: 2

      I actually read the summary on the index page and thought to myself "I could have sworn I removed Katz articles from my main page."

      Actually though, a Katz article on the topic would have referenced some Columbine inspired flash game.

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    3. Re:imniportant by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      He's probably out reviewing a movie. Be afraid, be very afraid. :^)

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  2. Isn't a sign of the times... by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and of our continuing infantilism that our political views are expressed through games?

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    1. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No more infantile than expressing political views through cartoons which has been going on for centuries.

    2. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are Political cartoons infantile? There are cartoons after all, and we all know cartoons are only for kids, right?

      You could easily consider Monopoly a political game, as it's creation was directly influenced by the depression.

    3. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by daoine · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It seems to be far more than political views, and I don't think it's infantile at all.

      I think it's very fair to say that these 'games' have grown directly out of political cartoons. In fact, it's quite easy to view them as interactive political cartoons. Just as the political cartoon overstated the nuances of reality, the games are pointing out a piece of the reality -- the only difference is that you get to play it.

      I think the most telling point is the end of the article -- it's not supposed to be a a good game. People are just taking advantage of the medium, as they did with cartoons.

    4. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      Video games aren't infantile, modern politics are.

    5. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by micromoog · · Score: 2
      The classic "quick political comment" forum is the cartoon . . . is that "infantile" as well?

      It's humor. Politics are dry enough already.

    6. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by jxg · · Score: 1

      How so? People have expressed political views through books, speeches, plays, TV programs, and virtually every medium available for as long as there have been meaningful political views and methods of expression. Games are a good way to foment interest in those who don't like to read thousand-page political treatises or who have become disenchanted with sound-byte Republicrat political posturers.

      Granted, Flash games are a little simplistic for such a purpose, as they are too small to contain much more than a sound-byte, but even a sound-byte conveyed in an interesting way may provoke thought. Witness comedy and political satire from books to TV.

      An expansive single-player game, however, can be just as thought-provoking as any metaphoric political novel. Try Deus Ex.

    7. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 4, Funny
      [Isn't a sign of the times...] and of our continuing infantilism that our political views are expressed through games?

      Oh, I don't know. I much prefer political views expressed through games than, say, political views expressed through Dick Cheney.

      On a bit of a tangent, I'm waiting in horror for the day when Cheney comes storming up to the podium, sweating like a pig, chanting and clapping:

      "in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! Say it with me!
      in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq! in-VADE-Iraq!
      Whoooooo!!!
      Yeahhh!!!"

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    8. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      Infantile? Compared to what, talk shows? Politics is infotainment; flash games are the logical conclusion.

    9. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 1
      [voice= breathless and sweaty]

      I.... Love.... This.... Company...err, i mean country.

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    10. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Gallo+Nero · · Score: 1

      I would say if it works don't mock it. Just suppose there was a leader in a country somewhere that controlled 95% of the media. You create a groovey little game slagging him off put in on the net, it becomes virally successful people get drawn to a site where you can openly put your opinion forward.

      Isn't that a good thing?

      Go on ! Shoot some worms!

    11. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2

      I'm sure it'll come to that sometime in the next couple of weeks, after these speeches of his bomb out.

    12. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, you are sadly mistaken. Did you miss the court ruling that stated "Video games are not speech" and therefore can say nothing of value?

    13. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by kinbote · · Score: 0

      and of our continuing infantilism that our political views are expressed through games?

      Perhaps our nation's infantile approach to international politics is actually most appropriately expressed via juvenile forms such as trading cards and coloring books...

    14. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2
      about the sig..... it's OT but hey....

      A laugh or two at some American excess is one thing, but to portray America as malign is just the opposite of reality.

      Firstly, before I start, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying America is evil or anything. But I'd like to make a few points, America is hardly saintly either:

      • Guilty of hypocrisy over Iraq? Little known fact is that despite all the bitching from Washington about the lack of inspectors in Iraq etc, they don't allow UN inspectors into some American sites either - and we KNOW that America has weapons of mass destruction, so shouldn't they be monitored too?

      • Since Bush came to power, America has ripped up more international treaties and conventions, and ignored more UN conventions than the rest of the world combined in the last 20 years. Examples: kyoto is the biggie of course, but america also attempted to dismember many other international bodies

      • America is steadily isolating every single ally it has. Even the British government is seriously split on the issue. It apparently refuses to listen to anybody except big business, and has firsthand told the world that it will not do anything for the environment if that might mean harm comes to the American economy. They acknowledge the science and even agree with most of it (the rest of the world long ago agreed with all of it, but hey) - yet they still refuse to take action.

      • Bush preaches free trade as the means of saving the world. Yet he has imposed massive trade barriers to protect inefficient American industries.

      • The administration is prepared to invade another country pretty much without evidence, and without any political backing from anybody else at all. If the US can invade Iraq because Bush doesn't like Hussein, why is Iraq invading Kuwait bad?

      Evil? No. But where do you draw the line between deliberate damage through rampant self interest and evil anyway?

      Sorry, but had to get that off my chest. Politics is important, games or no. I'm not saying other countries are perfect either, far from it.

      Finally, political views are frequently expressed through comedy as well. Is that infantile?

    15. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The song in the background should be Rock the Casbah by the Clash.

    16. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHO SAID SIT DOWN????

    17. Re:Isn't a sign of the times... by nathanm · · Score: 2
      Guilty of hypocrisy over Iraq? Little known fact is that despite all the bitching from Washington about the lack of inspectors in Iraq etc, they don't allow UN inspectors into some American sites either - and we KNOW that America has weapons of mass destruction, so shouldn't they be monitored too?
      We don't allow UN inspectors because we've not signed any treaties or agreed to any inspections from them. However, we allow Russian (and other) inspectors into just about all of our sites because we've signed several treaties with them: SALT I, SALT II, START, CWC (Chemical Warfare Convention), Open Skies Treaty, and more.

      Since Bush came to power, America has ripped up more international treaties and conventions, and ignored more UN conventions than the rest of the world combined in the last 20 years. Examples: kyoto is the biggie of course, but america also attempted to dismember many other international bodies
      It's the President's prerogative to enter into (and withdraw from) treaties. He did the right thing by pulling out of the Kyoto Accord, until there is conclusive proof, or a consensus among scientists that we are causing global warming. Besides, the International Criminal Court is a bad idea. Other proposed conventions (CEDAW) are just plain ridiculous, almost as bad as nominating Libya to chair the UN Commission on Human Rights (see this).

      America is steadily isolating every single ally it has. Even the British government is seriously split on the issue. It apparently refuses to listen to anybody except big business, and has firsthand told the world that it will not do anything for the environment if that might mean harm comes to the American economy. They acknowledge the science and even agree with most of it (the rest of the world long ago agreed with all of it, but hey) - yet they still refuse to take action.
      At the end of the day, our allies might disagree with us on some issues, but they'll still be our allies. They need us much more than we need them. Besides, if they don't have the courage to act when it's critical, it's better for us to act unilaterally, no matter what the connotation the media tries to pin to that word.

      Bush preaches free trade as the means of saving the world. Yet he has imposed massive trade barriers to protect inefficient American industries.
      I agree with you on this one. All subsidies should be abolished.

      The administration is prepared to invade another country pretty much without evidence, and without any political backing from anybody else at all. If the US can invade Iraq because Bush doesn't like Hussein, why is Iraq invading Kuwait bad?
      There's plenty of evidence to justify hostilities against Iraq: Saddam Hussein has been continually trying to acquire or develop weapons of mass destruction, has demonstrated his willingness to use them (even against his own population), has routinely massacred the Kurd and Shiite minorities in Iraq, encouraged Palestinian suicide bombers by offering their families $25,000 rewards, and impoverished and starved his own people by not allowing arms inspectors dotheir job and by diverting money from the oil-for-food program to his own coffers.

      Britain will support us, look the stand Tony Blair is taking now, even while it's unpopular there. France is too busy violating the UN Security Council sanctions on Iraq (and Russia is planning to, to the tune of $40B) with lucrative business contracts to support another war in the region.

      Iraq invaded Kuwait based on fabricated lies, for the sole purpose of territorial expansion. Their mistake was believing the rest of the world would just stand idly by.
  3. Watch those links by sandbenders · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ummm, I clicked the 'War on Terrorism' link- I might have gotten the game- I don't know because I restarted my machine to expedite the closing of about half a dozen adult site popups. Can we check these out before our friends who might be reading from work stumble into them? I know better than to click on a link in a post, but this was *in the article*.

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    1. Re:Watch those links by jandrese · · Score: 2

      May I suggest just blocking popups. Saves a lot of potental embarassment. It's easy to do, just pull down Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Scripts & Plugins in Mozilla and disable unrequested windows.

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    2. Re:Watch those links by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      closing of about half a dozen adult site popups

      Well, the person is probably using smarter / better browser than you are. I get no pop-ups with Konqueror or Mozzie. My guess would be that the submitter didn't even know there were pop-ups. Just as I didn't.

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    3. Re:Watch those links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess this is one of the times i'm glad for the corporate web blocking. Gee thanks /..

    4. Re:Watch those links by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      Absolutely right!
      Just downloaded, installed and configured Moz. 1.1, then got the mouse gestures add-on.
      I think I have a good setup, close to Opera.

      Back on-topic, sort of, the only flash et.al. games I play are at The Romp

    5. Re:Watch those links by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* I might have gotten the game- I don't know because I restarted my machine to expedite the closing of about half a dozen adult site popups. Can we check these out before our friends who might be reading from work stumble into them? *)

      It *is* a game. It is called "Attack of the Career-killing Popups". You just don't know how to shoot the attackers fast enough yet using the Gun Key, Alt-F4, and the final "Nuke Key", Alt-Ctrl-Delete.

      I got it down to 1.3 seconds now, almost faster than nosy-boss-eye speed.

    6. Re:Watch those links by Danse · · Score: 2

      If your browser doesn't block those things, then maybe it isn't really suitable for your needs? I suggest getting one that is.

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    7. Re:Watch those links by zapfie · · Score: 1

      Um, maybe they shouldn't play games at work. (:

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  4. Gaming with Shockwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shockwave has never been my first choice when it comes to playing games. First of all, he's purple. What kid wants to play with a purple toy? Secondly, he spent most of his time alone on Cybertron. Okay, sure, maybe the 'Cons needed somebody manning the outpost, but give me a break. Wouldn't you go completely effing batshit if you spent that much time alone? If you want to do some real gaming, let me suggest Megatron, Jetfire, or Ultra Magnus.

    Shockwave may have been battery-operated and made some cool noises, but let's face it .. in the end, he doesn't measure up.

    1. Re:Gaming with Shockwave by peterpi · · Score: 1

      I found Shockwave quite spooky with his single yellow eye-thingy. I reckon he could have really kicked ass if he got mad.

    2. Re:Gaming with Shockwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gobots had better stories?

      Are you on crack?

    3. Re:Gaming with Shockwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gobots were not better than Transformers.

      Remember the story when the boy was hurt, and they transferred his mind to the robot body? Remember how he turned evil because he couldn't control himself? Remember how he finally mastered the body as he was preparing to be xferred back?

      That was a cool show. Gobots was more like- stop him from doing something....and I never knew what that something was- but Cyclone was a cool toy.

    4. Re:Gaming with Shockwave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Megatron turns into a gun? WTF is that? He's too big to fit in any other Transformer's hand. Or Bumblebee? "Let's add a gay Autobot so that we can have diversity!" What a load of crap that series was.

      And anyway, Go-bots had better storylines and characters than Transformers. And no lame computer-rendered crap completely trashing any memories of the original series. Go-bots did it right the first time.

    5. Re:Gaming with Shockwave by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the Go-Bots theme song was horrid to go with the show. "Go-bots... Go-bots! Migh-ty ro-bots... Migh-ty ve-hi-cles! Go-bots!" Agh, it torments me still.

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  5. if political cartoons are protected, why not this? by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see most flash programming as a big cartoon. If people can make political statements in cartoons, how does making the "cartoon" interactive remove its rights for free speech?

    I think that law makers just don't like the fact that we can go around killing them w/lightning and nail guns.

  6. HAhahahaha... good one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Slashdot editors checking links... I'll be laughing all day at that one! Hooooo....

  7. Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by Hairy_Potter · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    These flash programmers are making waves by dicking around with flash toolkits, oh boy, how scary! Now, all sorts of other, white, well educated, middle class techies will see them too, oh boy, what a highly charged political situation!

    If you want to really make a political statement, start conducting voting drives in lower class minority neighborhoods, nothing like getting the disenfranchised to vote to really bother the man. On the plus side, with the fact that there are more black men in prison than in college, even a fat, pasty faced geekboy has a good chance of finding an unattached woman.

    1. Re:Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by NeuroUk · · Score: 1
      Realy

      you thnk that polititions arn't efected by cartoons?

      my my your the nieve one its the white middle class who vote most so to make a political comment you have to adress there issues

    2. Re:Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by Peahippo · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm completely off my sodding nut, the Establishment (what we SubGeniuses call the Conspiracy) loves such expressions of contempt for all the defusing of political energy that they accomplish. That, and voter turnouts dropping even further. Let the public be angry but helpless-feeling little wankers, cooped up in their homes and workplaces, while the real work of world hegemony gets done by the elite (no, not the 1337). Oh, here's another little outlet for all that outrage -- a Flash game called "Kick the Politico Up the Arse". I propose that things like this be called inrages -- designed to keep the outrage firmly up your own backside.

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    3. Re:Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by neocon · · Score: 1

      there are more black men in prison than in college

      At the risk of pointing out the obvious, there are more black men in the age range usually seen in prison (say 17-65) then in the age range normally seen in college (say 18-22) too...

    4. Re:Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by timeOday · · Score: 2

      A voting drive? Now where am I going to get the cash for a truckload of "complimentary" cigarettes?

    5. Re:Oh yeah, the establishment is afraid! by DarkMan · · Score: 2

      How much time will you spend on reading a political pamphlet, or listening to a political speech?

      Compare this to the amount of time you would spend on a game, with some political content.

      If these numbers are the same, then neither is really more effective than the other, on you.

      But, I'm willing to wager that for a large number of people, they'd spend more time on the game than the pamphlet. The time spent translates into mindshare. In other words, if people spend a lot of time on an item, they are more likely to tel others about it.

      Thus, for many people, they represent a good way to get a message across.

      They are _not_ about pursueading many people to vore with them, they are about one issue (every vote must represent a comprimise between many issues). The establishment, to use your term, has always recognised that entertaining policical commenty is a powerful way to show flaws, inconsistancies and disagreement with established figureheads. See Punch, Private Eye, Spitting Image, Brass Eye and so on.

      Your argument, based on the fact that there are more productive ways to topple the current political leaders, misses the purpose of this form of political speech. You would replace them wholesale. Satire will cause them to modifiy thier position and statements. These are distinct aims.

  8. I used to hate flash.... by MjDascombe · · Score: 1

    Because of it's bloated transfers, and awkward interface into existing browser structures. However, it recently occoured to me, that this is more because of the fact that Flash is integrated into existing browsers. HTTP really isn't designed for multiple, branched file downloads - 1 compressed file is much more suiting to it. How much better would flash be if it had it's own 'browser' which didn't rely on plugins to include content, and it's own 'http protocol', which cut out all the unneeded crap...

    1. Re:I used to hate flash.... by FyRE666 · · Score: 2

      You mean like the Flash player?

      Flash movies can already request more data after they've started, they can use sockets and recieve streaming audio. The reason people tend to hate it is because it's so often abused with the "Skip intro" type rubbish. Since content is streamed down in a compressed binary format, and most competent designers uses vector graphics wherever possible, it's a far more efficient method for transferring data than HTML/XML/CSS pages.

  9. Not exactly a new idea. by gleffler · · Score: 1

    Sure, they make games for political commentary. Using something originally intended for entertainment to send a political viewpoint was especially popular in communist Russia, where criticizing the government was forbidden -- so there was a case of a famous playwright (the name is escaping me), who made his plays social commentary hidden through clever metaphors. It was, of course, apparent to the audience what was going on, just like it is in these games.

    Surely, that does also show how our society continues catering to the lowest common denominator - instead of having an intelligent debate about something, we'll make a pretty game about it. The endless dumbing down of homo sapiens.

    /gleffler

    1. Re:Not exactly a new idea. by realgone · · Score: 2
      Not to be contrary but -- aw, fsck it. I'll be contrary.

      Surely, that does also show how our society continues catering to the lowest common denominator - instead of having an intelligent debate about something, we'll make a pretty game about it. The endless dumbing down of homo sapiens.

      Putting that statement's mildly elitist slant -- that certain media are more entitled to express social commentary simply because they are held in a higher esteem -- to the side for the moment, there's a simple fact (well okay, generalization) that folks seem to be missing here:

      People express themselves with the tools they have access to and/or are most comfortable with.

      Which is to say, painters paint, writers write, orators drag soapboxes out to the park, manual laborers withhold their services, etc. Why should we be surprised when interactive producers do the same within their chosen medium?

      Were these games the *only* form of commentary taking place right now, I could understand your point. But given that I can walk down the street in a couple of weeks and catch over 50 different plays, songs, and other multimedia pieces in response to Sept. 11, it's probably safe to say that the other media are holding their own.

    2. Re:Not exactly a new idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Using entertainment to express political viewpoints is certainly not new, and banning that entertainment is also old news.

      Tarkovsky got banned in the Soviet Union after making such wonderful pictures as Solaris and Andrei Rublov. Composers such as Prokofiev and Shostokovich had their music banned by the Soviet government, despite the fact that their music didn't even have lyrics. And just this year, Vladamir Sorokin finds himself facing jailtime for writing a book, Blue Lard, which uses sexual encounters between historic Soviet leaders in an obviously non-literal fashion.

    3. Re:Not exactly a new idea. by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 1

      "intelligent debate"

      Hmm, it seems to me that todays "debates" are nothing but yelling, interrupting, and loaded questions. Both sides are not willing to concede any of their "beliefs" (I use the term loosely), and everyone leaves with the notion that the other party is obviously delusional.

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  10. A good trend by octalgirl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After all, courts have recently been arguing that video games cannot be protected speech; these games make it patently obvious that this view is insane."

    I have been noticing this trend. There is a little Tinsel Town video on Eff.org that demonstrates this. I hope it continues to catch on so the courts will realize how foolish it is NOT to protect the artistic, educational, often useful (math blasters/diet programs/financial) and thought provoking programs ppl can come up with.

    1. Re:A good trend by iangoldby · · Score: 2

      After all, courts have recently been arguing that video games cannot be protected speech; these games make it patently obvious that this view is insane.

      Alternatively, it could just be that these games are not really a form of social comment after all.

    2. Re:A good trend by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Immediately after seeing this article, I thought,

      "Hey, that'd be a good quake mod."

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  11. Flashing the fan fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Flash is very important, it's important to the new breed of fans out there who are bored of docile culture and require more than the usual dose of visual entertainment. I'm talking about fandoms, those that live within Hollywood movies, comic books, Japanese animation, popular fantasy (scifi, fantasy and mystery). I'm speaking of the group that is largly female, mostly white, and middle class. Henry Jenkins labeled this group as "Textual Poachers" (:Television fans & participatory culture) in the book of of the same name, written in 92. This book un-arugubly the definite guide to fandom as defined. I believe Flash would be what would move these fans from the confines of their comic books and tv sets to the Internet. Hopefully, the geek culture (That mostly involves women), would one day migrate to the fringes of the Internet and entertain bored men who use it just for stocks and reading romance novels. HOPEFULLY.

    1. Re:Flashing the fan fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand why most schools try to teach upper English classes with this book. The book is WRONG (as you've satrized very creatively). The culture that he described is the Geek culture (maybe he didn't have enough sources to steal from, since it was written before Internet became popular, and the fact he based it observing his wife and deduced all geeks are women). This is insane, I spent a whole Anal English class arguing with the retarded prof that the culture described in the book is wrong and that since the first paragraph of the book is wrong, so is the rest of the book. For god's sake the guy thinks humor involves Spock having sex with Shattner (which is called / -- slash). Slash dot would mean dots having sex with dots btw. (Slash means same sex characters in scifi (and so on), having sex, he finds it amusing geeks tend to aruge and debate about this). Like how Taco has sex with Hemos, after Hemos did the Goatse. See. Where is female slash then?

    2. Re:Flashing the fan fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord, I just had my English class and we are using that book. I don't understand why this book is so highy regarded. The guy is trying to map the demography of (what could be said, slashdot types) geeks I guess. But, the whole thing is shatterd, cause he doesn't do his research well and start up stating that most of the Anime loving, scfi/fatnasy nerds are FEMALE. As another followup said, I too found this bizzare, and immeditatly aruged with our professor (who is a woman btw), and she stuck to the book like a rusty nail.

  12. Way to advertise your story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And way to give this moron free advertising, slashdot!

  13. You Missed XBill by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

    I think Xbill is a perfect example of the genre. I like to play it just after having to troubleshoot a windows 2000 machine. I have 35 linux machines and 4 windows 2000 machines on our network. 80% of my administration chores go to support those 4 machines. I'm not a full time admin, I'm a developer at this rate if we ditch the Win2k and go 100% linux, I could still support up to 100 machines part time. Xbill is my game!!!!!

  14. Protected Speech Doesnt realy exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the US Supreme Court they can selectivly restrict *any* speech as they see fit.

    The first admendment really is just a ruse to make people *think* they have rights...

    1. Re:Protected Speech Doesnt realy exist by neocon · · Score: 1
      Can you provide any backing for this claim?

      No, of course not, you're just blowing hot air.

  15. First flash political game? by illtud · · Score: 1

    The first I remember was Urban 75's (Hi Mike!) slap-a-politician game in '97 (around the same time as their infamous slap-a-spice-girl). But in this google post, Mike says he nicked the idea from a US site - anybody know what it was?

  16. Gentle ribbing by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2, Funny

    But that's missing the point. What's happening here is nothing less than the emergence of the online video game as a form of social comment -- something you dash off in a couple of hours to make a sardonic political point about something. It's a new notepad for communication.

    Whoa, settle down Katz, their just games ;P

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    1. Re:Gentle ribbing by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      er, they're, not their

      Great, now all you're grammer skill are rubbing of on me, thanks a lot guys!

      Slashdot needs a spellchecker :)

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    2. Re:Gentle ribbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point is more the protected speech thing, rather than the importance of their commentary to you.

      a valid legal point I thought

  17. Good Lord by El_Smack · · Score: 5, Funny


    Someone, somewhere has cloned Jon Katz.

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  18. Wish I had the address... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been trolling a yahoo chat "room" for a few months now. It's full of right and left wing hatemongers. They rag on each other 24/7. Some guy has been recording them and making flash cartoons. He picks on the liberals. So many people called to complain the provider pulled the cartoon. He was able to move it to a provider in England, hoping the phone calls would be to expensive to complain.

  19. Disagree with premise by memfree · · Score: 1

    From the article: These games aren't trying to get you hooked or make your thumbs sore. They're trying to make you think.

    I don't think the games are trying to make anyone think. I think they are a byproduct of tech guys feeling hatred at an enemy, and choosing to make games rather than pick up a gun and fight.

    It might be interesting to think about our culture as reflected in this trend, but thinking is (IMO) an unintended by-product.

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    1. Re:Disagree with premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pixel is mightier than the sword.

    2. Re:Disagree with premise by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Isn't that the point of any political medium?

      What's the difference between blind hatred and cold, calculating anger, if both produce political content, which in turn provokes thought?

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    3. Re:Disagree with premise by memfree · · Score: 1

      I'm saying that it is only a political medium in the same sense that it is a pro-Christian or anti-school voucher medium -- namely, it not intended as such, but particular viewers could deem it so for their purposes.

      You can find messages in many places where none is intended. While it is a Good Thing that some folks notice trends, and can extrapolate -- that thinking individuals can see all sorts of things in a political light (and in other frameworks) -- there will be a large number of folks (including many game designers) who won't see it at all.

      I remember a game where you could kill Barney, the purple dinosaur. I didn't play it thinking, "Hmmm...what are the political ramifications of the joint dislike of Barney by myself and the game creator?" My thoughts were more like, "I hate Barney! Kill Barney!" I got a chuckle out of it and forgot about it.

      Similarly, I feel 'political' flash games are mostly in the "I hate [x]! Destroy [x]!" category. The insightful are free to notice the trend towards political games, and to project possible reasons for their existence, but I doubt the majority of game creators set out with the intent to make a political statement. Contrast to political cartoonists who intend to get people to think or otherwise notice things. Ben Sargent example (note: link will expire in ~1 week).

      Personally, I marvel at the propagation of war propaganda as it spills out of its original mediums and into the masses. Games like this are 'appeals to emotion' and are not arguments of logic nor critical thinking. They say something about how the public thinks, but the main content is that the public doesn't think -- they just vent their gut urges.

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  20. Corrupt Politicians by C0deJunkie · · Score: 1

    ...the emergence of the online video game as a form of social comment...

    Does it mean that the next "killer app" (al least here in italy) will be "Hunt for the Corrupt Deputy" or (thinkin' about their side) "Escape from the Jail"??

  21. Not protecting himself by ACNeal · · Score: 0

    He isn't the one that will sue himself for sexual harrasment.

    He isn't the one that will fire himself for lewd behavior at work.

    And for the one people that have a platform forced on them, they might not be able to disable popups.

    I understand that /. needs to make money, and shock journalism brings in the clicks, even if to say "I was so shocked, I had to re-enter the site several times, just to see if I was still as shocked.", but linking to porn sites is a little over the top.

    Why not just sell the advertising spot to the porn kings. They will only lose about 10% of the more mature audience, and pick up a lot more skript kiddies, overall increasing OSDN's profits.

    1. Re:Not protecting himself by sandbenders · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this is exactly the case- the IT guys at work look at me sympathetically and shake their heads with sad little smiles when I try to get something other than Win 2000 on my laptop. "It's not that we want to give you this," they say. "We don't have any choice." They're not idiots, but they answer to one. And now they are going to be calling me asking about these sites in the web log....

      I wont get fired, because they understand that these things happen, but if it happened in front of a female coworker, it might be bad. Of course, I work in IT, so there's just the one female in our office. It cuts down the chances.
      It would just be better all around to not have it happen. That's all I'm saying.

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    2. Re:Not protecting himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how to check out the address of a site before you click on a link though, right? I mean, you work in IT. Why not assume that any site unrelated to what you are paid to do is out of bounds?

    3. Re:Not protecting himself by sandbenders · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know how to check- the site itself was fine, it was the site's popups that had the pictures of young ladies behaving in an unladylike manner.

      You're right, though- I should just stop looking at anything that's not directly related to my job.

      Naaaahhhhh!

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    4. Re:Not protecting himself by Alsee · · Score: 2

      people that have a platform forced on them, they might not be able to disable popups.

      Perhaps you need to inform the person responsible for your playform that their restictions are interfering with your productivity. It certainly isn't Slashdot's fault.

      I understand that /. needs to make money

      Slashdot doesn't get a cent of the advertizing on the sites it happens to link to.

      linking to porn sites is a little over the top.

      Slashdot links to any site related to the story. In my oppinion the site in question certainly qualified.

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    5. Re:Not protecting himself by ACNeal · · Score: 0

      Because you can't read, and draw reasonable conclusions from what you just read, I was refering to /. writing and linking stories with shocking and unnerving content to sell their own advertising.

      And this vein of conversation really makes my point. And then a lot of people will have read this post, and others like it, and have to click through.

      Then they will come back tomorrow to see what other sites /. links to, or other stories about the man trying to keep us down, and be exposed to the banner ads. It is a viscious circle, and one that drives all media.

      Local news stations all over the country (US) started to run public interest/local hero type stories at the end of the news cast. They noted people started turn off the news when these came on. People like to be scared for some reason. There is no reason to get excited about good stuff, and so people don't watch it. People don't watch, no one buys advertising space.

      So, yes, I understand /. didn't make any money on the popups from the linked site, but they make money by linking to content like that.

      i didn't think it was that ahard to figure out, but I guess when you are used to dealing with the /. crowd, you assume everyone that posts is stupid, and don't give any post even the slightest analytical thought.

    6. Re:Not protecting himself by Alsee · · Score: 2

      I was refering to /. writing and linking stories with shocking and unnerving content to sell their own advertising.

      Somehow I don't think "Flash Games as Political Commentary" is exactly shocking or unnerving. If you weren't interested in that subject you probably didn't click the link. If you were interested in the subject, the link was on-topic.

      Most /. stories are reader submissions, and as someone pointed out in another thread, the slashdot staff probably wasn't even aware of any porn pop-ups. They probably have scripting disabled just like I do.

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  22. Didn't it start as PUNCH The Spice Girls? by mekkab · · Score: 1

    I seem to recall a time a year or two back when the "in" thing was to have a flash "game" on your website called "PUNCH THE (fill in pop-culture target here)"- wether it was teh Spice girls, or the backstreet boys, or NYSNC* (yeah that's right!). So the current trend of Polititcally charged flash games are a riff on a riff!

    Regardless I think this is nothing new. Comedy works best when it takes a spin on reality (as a friend of mine said, its the gradient of a society)- yes its an oversimplification but thats its point. It elicits a view by reducing a topic down to a short soundbyte, forcing the audience to "reconcile" this oversimplification.

    It helps that these games are easy to create, much like a one strip cartoon. Since they are quick to make they can remain topical and quickly be "thrown away" a few weeks later.

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    1. Re:Didn't it start as PUNCH The Spice Girls? by yakovlev · · Score: 1

      Anyone remember getsadam.exe?

      Now that was some fine political commentary. :)

  23. Nothing new by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many would argue that a lot of games have always been a form of social commentary - not just cheap flash ones. Most "art" is.

    Fallout, Civilization, Alpha Centauri, GTA, etc...

    (Disclaimer: Haven't read the article yet, this may be completely redundant - if it is, mod me to oblivion :)

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    1. Re:Nothing new by WalterHellmann · · Score: 1

      The worst offender was Sim City. A couple of years ago on the evening news, I remember seeing that at least one teacher (middle school?) was using it to teach urban planning to his students. My understanding is that it has biases towards light rail, etc. Unless the kids are actually aware of all of the issues with mass transit, the game is useless, and if they aren't, it's only good for indoctrination.

    2. Re:Nothing new by bob_jenkins · · Score: 2

      Monopoly, chess, cops-n-robbers, ring-around-the-rosie.

  24. One social commentary game... by Chagatai · · Score: 5, Funny
    that has grabbed my attention is Dance Dance Karnov. This game has changed the way I think about fat, naked, Russian, ex-carnival persons in our society. For example, what is the impetus of having large sweaty men wear tassles on their nipples? How would the size of a mutant Godzilla-fish thing impact the stock market? This requires further analysis.

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  25. EFF's game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this one really sucks. Not cause of the motivation or the aim, but as a game it sucks more than the "anti terrosism" games I hate so much. (What has hitting Osama to do with "anti terrorism"? That's just childish and naive!)

  26. I got jypped! by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "WTO-style New York Defender"

    And here I was hoping I got to run around in riot gear beating tree-hugging hippies senseless... I call false advertising on this one!

  27. Advertising? by GrayCalx · · Score: 1

    I can't believe slashdot has become a forum for those in the know, and with connections, to shamelessly plug their articles and websites. Blech!

  28. Informative? I think so!!! by jsonmez · · Score: 1

    Do not click on that second link if your at work. Especially if your boss is near. One word..... "ITPOPSUPAPORNWINDOW"

  29. Blocked by the Proxy by C0deJunkie · · Score: 1

    At least mine (clicks) were blocked from our proxy guardian!

  30. Funniest "Political Commentary" Game I've seen by TimeTrip · · Score: 1

    Based on flash/shockwave....
    Elian Deportation

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    You crazy man? You piss off supahfly!
  31. Commentary? by bytesmythe · · Score: 1
    How exactly are these games political commentary?

    Having a silly shoot-'em-up where you shoot "evil terrorists" isn't a commentary at all. Commentary points things out. Commentary presents a view. Commentary is intended to make people think.

    These games do not have the subtlety of a good political cartoon. Hell, even a bad political cartoon (such as you might see in USA Today *shudder*) makes more of a statement than "I wanna beat up Bin Laden".

    The best example of a political cartoon in Flash form are the "Napster Bad!" line of cartoons on Camp Chaos. The one with Sheryl Crow and Nutty McShithead ("MP3s: Good or Goblin") is hilarious.

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    1. Re:Commentary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the level of most political thought these days. How much do we ever hear beyond "Bush is a moron" or before him "Clinton is a moron"? And the people who say these things then sit back and act as if they have told us something profound and daring with zero realization that they are mind-numbingly wearying buffonish jackasses operating on a zero intellectual level.

      Even the supposedly informed talking heads on the Sunday morning TeeVee politico-fests do little more shovel about little piles of stale ideological sh*t. I havan't seen an original thought in that arena in 25 years.

      Even sites like this where you supposedly are supposed to have independent thinkers you find mostly just a bunch of poseurs traffiking in the the same old same old bugf*ck bullsh*t conspiracy crap and pseudo-neo-anarcho-wannabe vacuumheadedness.

    2. Re:Commentary? by ohboy-sleep · · Score: 1

      If you read the article it explains how the games are in fact a form of commentary and not just a Me-Hate-Bin-Laden thing.

      For example, one game has you bombing targets but you're only supposed to hit military targets. The catch is that the military and civilian targets look the same. Essentially, this person is saying that going to war with Afghanistan will result in large civilian casualities.

      Now I disagree with his point, and it's not exactly a William Safire column as far as depth, but it is commentary nonetheless.

  32. In other news by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    Slashdot, subdivision of VA Software, no longer content to "slashdot" cheap html+jpg websites, changed their business model. Now they crash heavily loaded flash sites.

    CEO Rob Malda commented : "yes, with the diminishing eployment, less techies have less occasions to waist [sic] corporate time on websurfing so banner income stagnated. So we had to cut costs and involve much simpler slashdottings"

  33. Analogy by Orne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Printing Press is to Newspaper as Flash SDK is to Flash Program
    In my humble opinion, it's just another method of providing content to a viewer. Not everything printed in on paper is protected speach, just as not everything found on the internet is protected.

    Suppose I make a game where the goal is to go around shooting politicians; its just as poor taste if I decided to print "paper dolls" of the pol's along with text encouraging you to cut them into pieces. What is the point that you are trying to make in either case?

    But, suppose I wrote a game called "Fur Fighters" where the object is to throw cans of paint on people wearing furs? Thats much more aligned with a political message...

    In short, its not the delivery medium that matters, it all comes down to the value of the content.
    1. Re:Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you wrote a game called 'Fur Fighters' you'd be infringing on trademarks.

      There already is a game called 'Fur Fighters', a rather fun spoof about militant teddy bears, and other stuffed animals.

      The original was for Dreamcast, the sequel for PS2.

    2. Re:Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the whole throwing paint on fur thing has to be the least effective method of protest I've ever seen.

      it's a criminal action that's most likely to result in the victim purchasing another fur coat, thus increasing the number of animals who died in the name of outdated fashion.

    3. Re:Analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, you want to protest the whole fur thing, you do a game where you have to go out and club cute baby animals to death and trade their mangled corpses for money. Hmm... I just had a great game idea...

    4. Re:Analogy by yivi · · Score: 1

      Ok, ok; I think I got it.

      There is still one thing: which example is the "bad" one and which is the "good" one?

      We are having some problems deciding that over here...

    5. Re:Analogy by Thorin_ · · Score: 1

      In short, its not the delivery medium that matters, it all comes down to the value of the content
      That has to be the biggest bunch of crap i've ever read! The whole point of free speach is to stop people from being censored etc just because other people think their content is valueless. In fact I consider throwing paint on someones valuable property a very poor form of speach while making prints of politicians to cut up a rather good form of speach. We have the first amendment so that both forms are protected.

    6. Re:Analogy by Orne · · Score: 2

      Of course that's the point of legislating "free speech", to define that one person's views/opinion are not more important than another person's, and should not be censored for the pure purpose of disagreement.

      What's at issue is that "computer games as speech" SHOULD be protected, because it doesn't matter if the message is presented on a paper, or presented in a slide-show format ala Shockwave. Free Speech on paper is the same as Free Speech on computers.

      What does bother me are people that think that just because something is presented on a computer, it's automatically "free speech". It's still illegal to use copies of commerical programs you haven't purchased.

      Why did I choose fur? Because its as rediculious to me to throw paint on someone in real life as it would be to make a game about it. It is illegal to do the former (willful destruction of property), but it is legal to "speak" about it. In the virtual world of computers, it is again not illegal to write a program, because no individual rights are violated.

  34. A pre-Flash example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An XPilot map about the Mad Cow Disease scandal.

    http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~np2/xpilot/bse.html

  35. re: michael by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 1

    In response to yesterday's michael bashing, I'd like to point out that the eff DRM game was quite interesting and a good inclusion.

    How did you score?

    karma whore by design.

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  36. christ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stfu, people .. the political cartoon has been
    around forever .. how is this any different?

    just because you can put a cat in an oven, that
    don't make it a biscuit

    1. Re:christ by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the point. Or are you talking to those who don't seem to get it? I am perplexed.

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  37. "Free speech' is an illusion by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    According to the US Supreme Court they can selectivly restrict *any* speech as they see fit.

    This makes the first admendment, and perhaps the whole constitution null and void.

    At the least its being violated right and left by our so-called leaders. And the public is FOR this.

    Dont you people see it ? When will you finally get sick of it all and say NO.. Its time to stand up and stop this before its too late..

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    1. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by neocon · · Score: 1
      Do you have any backing for your claim?

      No, of course not, you're just blowing hot air.

    2. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The supreme court allowed child porn to fall under free speech, so long as it doesnt involve actual children.

      Who's rights are they taking away?

      If what you said was true, NAMBLA and moronic hate groups like the KKK would be the first to fall. You're small potatoes, your views are two simplistic to offend anyone.

    3. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I guess you dont read the news often. THere are plenty of cases that serve as examples in this slow progession into a socialist state.

      People like you are mearly facilitators in this.

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    4. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      The intent is not to offend, only to rally support in fighting for what used to be a free society.

      But i see you are rahter judgemental, after seeing your examples of 'hate' groups. Somewhat typical of those who support the 'system'.

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    5. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by neocon · · Score: 1

      Okay, then it should be easy for you to provide an example, instead of shooting your mouth off. Why don't you?

    6. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by neocon · · Score: 1
      To repeat the AC's question: ``whose rights are they taking away?''

      So far, you've asked us to take a lot of things on assertion, but haven't provided any examples. Perhaps if you provided an example, your case would be more credible (learning to spell and having your `home page' link not point to an empty directory wouldn't hurt either).

    7. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Do a search on "Neal Horsley" or "The Neuremberg Files"...

      Warning: Viewing the actual website will probably make you puke.

      I'm not going to state an opinion either way.

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    8. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      They are called typos, and not taking time to check as this forum isnt worth the time for that. Link to dead webpage, perhaps i currently have nothing to say there?

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    9. Re:"Free speech' is an illusion by neocon · · Score: 1
      While there is certainly room for disagreement with the court's decision in the Nuremberg Files case, to suggest that this is some sort of policy shift away from free speech is nonsensical -- far less direct threats have been banned in past court judgements, and in this area as elsewhere, the general trend is toward free speech, not away from it.

      As mentioned by an AC elsewhere in this thread, one need only look at the recent ruling on child pornography to confirm this.

  38. not only games...but websites as well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look at slashdot...neowin...e-review

  39. porno links by bberg · · Score: 1

    thanks for the porno link. I'm at work and I clicked on the war on terrorism link and got a couple porno popups. Thanks slashdot.

    1. Re:porno links by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      So basically you're at work not doing work. Is your employee aware of this? Don't blame slashdot when you're standing in the unemployment line, slacker.

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    2. Re:porno links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a feeling that the web admins, once they realized that they were mentioned in slashdot, changed their site real quick to make some money.

      I don't think Slashdot would do this to us on purpose.

    3. Re:porno links by bberg · · Score: 1

      Is your employee aware of this?

      I don't have any employees. Anyway, reading slashdot is very worthwhile in my line of work, and following a link to see what they are talking about it part if it.

  40. More to the point, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone care?

    Urban75 - dodging soap while listening to low-quality dance music since 1997, eh?

  41. Keep it up slaves ! We're laughing all the way ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just keep on making fun little satires
    of your politicians now, kids (while being
    denied your rights in the courts by fossilized establishment judges)!

    "Games" are the next big medium for propaganda,
    be it commercial or political.

    The games industry made $37 billion last year
    (whining about piracy all the way of course).
    You think this is still just playing around ?!?

    Meanwhile, as long as certain people can keep sipping the champagne by the swimming pool and farting in the face of the people they are supposed to represent, everything will go on as before.

    "Games? Political? Oh look how the ordinaries
    are amusing themselves! How rude!
    Now pass me the Dom Perignon, biatch!!"

  42. Or for those of you afraid of infection by TimeTrip · · Score: 1

    If you're worried that the exectuable might be infected with some sort of virus... here is the official location:

    Elian Deporation

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    You crazy man? You piss off supahfly!
  43. But flash is proprietary!?!? by newestbob · · Score: 0

    How can /. endorse it? It would be like plugging Internet Explorer DHTML games, wouldn't it?

  44. The *best* shockwave file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  45. The Slashdot Flash Movie by RhetoricalQuestion · · Score: 2

    is here.

    Friend of mine pointed me to this one a while back... There's 2 more in the series, but this is my favourite.

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  46. you people don't know when to quit do you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, please don't /. the poor Newgrounds site their already horrid server never was designed to handle extreme traffic. oh whoa .

  47. I wrote... by tuxedo-steve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... a little game as a protest (of sorts) against the Australian government's policy on, uh, unsolicited refugee landings. For what it's worth (which isn't much, given my game design skills), it can be found here.

    Who says code isn't speech?

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  48. Just because cartoon is protected speech... by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

    Doesn't mean all are.

    Political cartoons are protected speech.
    Porn cartoons are not. Even if they in some way are political.

    Same way with games.

    Just because X item in the genere fits into catagory Y, doesn't mean the whole genere fits into catagory Y.

    1. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by MaxwellStreet · · Score: 1

      Huh? Porn cartoons aren't protected speech?

      I'd love to see a link explaining this; absent that, I've gotta call you on that one.

    2. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. I seem to recall a cartoon abou the "Clinton Memorial"

      It had statues of Bill and Monica, and showed a mother covering her child's eyes.

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    3. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by Ted_Green · · Score: 2, Informative

      Miller v. California" (1973) - "In order to be considered to be obscene, the works in question have to depict or describe sexual conduct in a way that is patently offensive to local community standards and which is specifically prohibited in state law; and, taken as a whole, it has to appeal to a prurient interest in sex and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

      I should have added the adjective "obscene". Case in point though, for example a cartoon depicting a naked man prostrate on hands and knees with a dog going at him wildly from behind and a caption "MAN'S BEST FRIEND" *could* fall under this catagory.

      Note, I say, "could". The problem of course is that it's a very fuzzy criteria and can be argued either way. A lot of wheter somthing is premited under freespeech falls under state and local goverment jurisdiction.

      What could be gotten away with in one location, might not in another.

      Luckily we hardly ever have to deal with such cases because of editors. (And the pulp books that do contain the offensive imagary aren't readily accessable by those who would take offense at them... even if they were, the worse that could really happen is for the offensive material to be removed from the store it could be purchased in.)

      Anyrate, since we're talking about banned cartoons heres a good link for you: (not dealing with the US mind you.)
      http://www.oneworld.org/index_oc/Cartoon/ca rtoon.h tml

    4. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* I seem to recall a cartoon about the "Clinton Memorial" *)

      Some of those Clinton cartoons were pretty funny, although I wouldn't want my kids to see them.

      One had the "Lincoln in Chair" statue, and right next to it the Clinton version: Clinton was sitting in a Lincoln-esque setting, but with a smerk and Monica nealing giving him a hot-dog hummer. (It did not show the hot-dog itself, but the activity was clear to any adult.)

      Another had Monica on the witness stand *sucking* the microphone, and the judge saying, "Monica, please, not so close to the mike!".

      I can imagine similar cartoons that border on porn. The courts have a hard time with such hybrids I imagine.

    5. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by MaxwellStreet · · Score: 1

      Well done . . . thanks for taking the time to explain!

    6. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try here

    7. Re:Just because cartoon is protected speech... by Alien+Being · · Score: 2

      "The problem of course is that it's a very fuzzy criteria..."

      Is that anything like a golden retriever?

  49. Lack of historical perspective by pubjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an example of what I think of as "Wired journalism". Everything is new, exciting, revolutionary. No historical perspective is given - there is no historic continuum, everything is a new. Of course in the real world very few things are a revolution, things change slowly, most ideas have been around for centuries but every new generation thinks it's got all the good ideas.

    Where is the wise analysis from journalists with a historical perspective and knowledge outside their tiny specialisms? I'm getting bored of all this sensationalist stuff.

    1. Re:Lack of historical perspective by DLWormwood · · Score: 1

      If by "Wired" you mean the magazine, I'd have to disagree on the historical perspective element. They've done articles comparing the wireless telegraph to the Internet, making comments about modern media via McLuhan's TV-era views, and examining decades old technology and infrastuctures, like oil tankers, to find lessons applicable to this decade. I do agree with you that the mag has a tendency to make anything seem exciting and revolutionary, but at least the style evolved away a bit from it's original excesses when it was up against mags like Mondo 2000.

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    2. Re:Lack of historical perspective by Philip+J.+Fry · · Score: 1

      How nicely ironic of you to suggest that this style of journalism began with Wired. It, too, has been around for centuries. Victorian-era journalism was great for H.G. Wells-esque newswriting. Or 1950s space-age journalism, where the future is now, and the past is irrelevant.

  50. How to get geeks to do this? by Tiger · · Score: 1

    ...Perhaps you could make a social commentary video game where you go into lower class minority neighbourhoods recruiting disenfranchised voters by blowing open their houses and picking up their pixellated arm-waving butts in your helicopter, while dodging bullets being fired at you by the Establishment's tanks, jet fighters and UFOs?

    1. Re:How to get geeks to do this? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the black helicopters. Your Establishment Army won't have any legitimacy if there aren't black helicopters.

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  51. Sept 11 - a repeat!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all of this fuss regarding the prevention of a repeat of Sept 11, I just looked at the calendar for this year and saw that they had another planned!

    When will people learn??

    Gary

  52. Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This merits mention? NEWSFLASH!! Politics used as hook for entertainment!

    Oh Your God

    Somebody call FoxNews!

    What's the matter? No linux driver annoucements? No advances in adult diapers or something new and improved by adding caffine?

    feh.

  53. Slashdot allowing shameless self-promotions??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or at least, that's what I argued in this piece in Slate today

    I hardly think it appropriate for the author of an article to submit something to Slashdot. Of course the person who writes it is going to think it's relevant *cough*Jon Katz*cough*, but the test of relevancy is if someone else suggests (gasp, dare I say it? a "reader") the article.

    In fact, a better test of relevancy is not if one person submits the story to the slashdot editor queue, but if several people submit the same story.

    an author submitting his own story here smacks too much of self-promotion and vanity press. (Lowercase v there, as in self-published books, not uppercase V as in Vanity, the magazine.)

  54. Might not be a game but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found TooStupidTooBePresident.com a really entertaining site!

    My favorite is "How the Bush stole Christmas". A must see!

  55. Missle Command 2000 by Profound · · Score: 1

    I had an idea for a game in the style of missile command where you control the multi-billion dollar missile defence shield. After beginning the game, a small turbaned dude enters from the side, places a suitcase down in between your skyscapers then runs for it. Furious button clicking does nothing as you can only shoot upwards.

  56. It is no more infantile than ... by FreeUser · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't a sign of the times... and of our continuing infantilism that our political views are expressed through games?

    No.

    It is no more infantile than scratching crude pictures on paper mocking politicians or political events.

    We call those political cartoons, and they are a venerated way of making exactly the same kinds of sardonic, and sometime crass, criticisms of public policies and public politicians. The flash games described here are exactly the same thing, printed in a new medium (the interactive internet as opposed to the passive, one-way old media).

    Games and programming in general are obviously speech deserving of "at least the same protections as the print media" to paraphrase the supreme court's opinion in their ruling which overturned the SCA. Things like this are invaluable in driving that point home in terms even non-tech savvy, but non-whored-out-to-the-media-cartels judges can understand. In other words, it won't sway Kaplan, but it will likely sway the supreme court, and it is there opinions which count.

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  57. Oh dear, the bollocks spouters are on the loose! by JimPooley · · Score: 2



    Yes. And all the one I've seen are puerile rubbish. Good political satire is intelligent and thought provoking. A site where you click your mouse button to throw bananas at Dubya or some such is neither.

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  58. I'm not sure I see the point of all this. by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

    Just because some video games are freespeech, doesn't mean all are.

    Yes, it's an interesting phenomena in our culture, but it isn't evidence that all video games *are* protected free speech.

    Some pictures are considered art, and thus freespeech, but pictures themself aren't freespeech.

    Likewise, some video-games can be considered poltical statments, but video games themself aren't freespeech.

  59. Flash != Shockwave by Aquaman616 · · Score: 2

    Just to help keep this clear, because some people *still* don't get it...

    Flash is Flash. Just Flash, that's it. The most recent version of the authoring tool is Flash MX and the most recent version of the plugin is Flash 6.

    Shockwave is the 'net export version of an app made with Director - an entirely different product.

    Shockwave games/files as a whole tend to be larger and more bloated than Flash movies because Flash is vector based rather than raster based like Director.

    Flash movies aren't automatically big/slow/ugly - it all depends on the skill of the developer. Most of the Flash stuff that I do comes in at under 40k.

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    1. Re:Flash != Shockwave by Ted_Green · · Score: 1

      People never will get it.

      Anymore than they'll get the differnce between php and asp.

      Any two languages or tools that acheive similar effects will invaritably be interchangable with each other to those who don't use them.

      Besides people using shockwave for flash (and vise versa) isn't that bad, all things considered... what I'm creeped out about is when people start talking about how java == c#.

    2. Re:Flash != Shockwave by lfrancis · · Score: 1

      This stuff drives me crazy, but it's an interesting example of how a branding strategy can go awry.

      The very first Shockwave plug-in allowed the playback of Macromedia Director 4 authored content, then the company's flagship product. Eventually other Macromedia products had plug-in players released under the Shockwave moniker; Shockwave for Freehand, Shockwave for Authorware, and several others now dearly (or not) departed, none of which saw very much use or brand awareness.

      However, with the purchase, rebranding, release and most importantly the browser bundling of the Flash plug-in, Macromedia now had two popular "Shockwave for x" products in the very same space; confusion reigned supreme.

      Too late, Macromedia recognized the problem and began referring to the Flash plug-in as the "Flash Player".

      Another infamous example of brand confusion is the Java or JavaScript debacle. grrrr.

    3. Re:Flash != Shockwave by Nosher · · Score: 1

      Sadly, the confusion reigns at an even deeper level. The MIME-type for Flash is, er, application/x-shockwave-flash, and the file extension of the generated Flash file (as in what the end-user gets in their Flash player) is still .swf (ShockWave Flash). Hey ho - I guess they just didn't fancy registering a new type :-)

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  60. New trend? Hardly. by fuxoft · · Score: 1
    Computer games with social commentary are hardly new. I remember U.K. games for ZX Spectrum computer from the 80s. One of them, MONTY MOLE was about a miner mole and contained unflattering lyrics about Mrs. Thatcher and the British miners' strike. I also remember beat-em-up starring current (at the time) political figures (Mrs. Thatcher, Gorbachev, Pope, Ghaddafi...) and a game called FLUNKY where you played the butler for the British royal family whose members were portrayed as a very unflattering caricatures. There were probably much more, after all it was 20 years ago...

    By the way, all of these were professional, commercially sold games!

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  61. Well... by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

    ...since the discussion has gone as it was easily predicted to (a thread of "Check this game!!).
    Here's my entry into the list The Romp.

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, fuck.

      Everyone who worked on that 'Booty Call' cartoon hated it.

      We did try to slip subtle commentary into it, actually, but the Romp made us take out anything that played up Jake's fratboy stupidity - he always had to be Mr. Joe Cool.

      - a former part of Nebulous Films

  62. Games as art by Dissonant · · Score: 1

    Over the past few months /. has posted a couple of stories about the Indy Game Jam. The concept seemed interesting, so I went and checked out the page.

    As one might expect, the games were reasonably simplistic, though on the whole surprisingly fun. The one that really stood out to me most was "Very Serious RoboDOOM".

    This game isn't really a game. It has gameplay, but that's not what it's about. Really, it's a commentary on the state of the gaming industry. Go check it out, they talk about it a bit at the site.

    My reaction to this was basically "Fuckin' A right on!" It's troubled me for ages that video games don't seem to be living up to their potential as a medium. The interactive element of gaming can be used for much more than just entertainment - by involving the "audience" and forcing their complicity in the action presented, games can make powerful statements in ways that have never been possible before. RoboDOOM is a great example of this, as are a couple of the games mentioned in the article (the ones by the French designers seem particularly inspired).

    But the real problem isn't just the design of games, it is how gaming is percieved as a whole. Even here on Slashdot, where there is a more than healthy hardcore gaming audience, games seem to be considered trivial - entertainment, nothing more. Look at the other comments on this story! The truth is, gaming (as a medium) is still in its infant state, like so many media before it. Television, radio, cinema, comics, all were seen as means of simple amusement. All took decades to mature into the artforms they (sometimes) are today. The earliest examples, the earliest signs of the potential these media held were only recognized by a very few. It saddens me to see that the few who should be recognizing the beginnings of gaming's growth spurt are so seemingly oblivious.

    Maybe this isn't a major new development on the political commentary scene - honestly, I don't think it is myself. But it is a major step in the development of gaming. And, for sure, that is something worth noting.

  63. Yes, well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have been making novelty dart boards, punching bags, stress toys and other games as political commentary for decades. The only reason that computer games are becoming a part of this expressive medium is because they are becoming just as pervasive, if not more so, than traditional games.

  64. "Bin Laden in a Blender" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd hardly call "Bin Laden in a Blender" insightful or useful political commentary.

  65. I would check these out... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 2

    ..but I think they require the Flash plugin. It's like a gateway drug, first you play some stupid Flash game, next thing you know you're staring stupidly at Flash advertisements. Ohh Look! Shiny things!

    Thanks, but no thanks.
  66. But the fun can go too far by victorvodka · · Score: 1

    The fun can go too far, as when they parody our president and compare him to the evil and unfindable Osama bin Laden http://www.snitchreport.com/kids (play terrorist dressup) (true, his evil is so 2001, but nonetheless he is evil).

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  67. EFF Game? by Afty0r · · Score: 1

    "The columnist missed a better example of the genre - the EFF's game of digital restrictions management."

    A "better" example? So you haven't actually played that tripe then?

  68. Mark Fiore by Ian+Peon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Been noticing that over at SF Gate with Mark Fiore's stuff. Heavy handed political cartoonist whose pieces are often presented in a flash game format.

  69. Clarissa Explains It All by PaulAllen · · Score: 1

    Clarissa used to always write computer games to satirize her situation back in the early 90's.

  70. umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..as a person who has made quite a few flash games(among games of other langs, if you count flash as a lang even), i can safely say the reason for making these is not political commentary..its lack of creativity.

  71. Forget the Register... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like Slashdot is becoming the comment board for Slate...

  72. Wait a minute... by Rayonic · · Score: 2

    I thought games weren't speech at all!

    If games aren't speech, then there is no reason these "interative political cartoons" can't be censored.

    And heck, why not censor political cartoons altogether? I mean, it's common sense that all cartoons are meant for children, right? Comic books too, since they're practially the same thing.

    From there it's a short step to books, music, video, and anything else these pesky consumers invent.

    And no, you can not ride the slippery slope when I'm done with it. :-P

  73. Why anti-terrorism is always (+1, Ontopic) by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Why not assume that any site unrelated to what you are paid to do is out of bounds?

    An IT professional is paid to maintain IT (information technology, not Segway HT). In order to maintain IT, a fellow has to be alive. If a fellow is killed by a terrorist, he is no longer alive. Therefore, a limited amount of discussion of anti-terrorism is on topic in an IT discussion.

    I am stretching things, but you may be able to pull this one over on your boss.

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  74. Re: prison population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Parent's refering to a study by the Justice Policy Institute that's been in the news . You're right that traditionally college age is a narrower demographic than doing hard time age, but you're missing the forest for the trees here. The thing is incarcerating young black men has become all the rage in America:
    The study shows a five-fold increase in the number of incarcerated black men over the past 20 years. In 1980, 143,000 were in jail and 463,700 in higher education.
    This is the wrong way to go. It's ugly and unproductive. Are shockwave animations reaching the right audience to change this? Are they politically useful, or are they just draining off the energies of mildly dissatisfied members of the white middle class? Those are fair questions.
  75. Calls of "Katzism" by robson · · Score: 2

    Please don't let your cynicism cloud your judgement on this one. Yes, there is an underlying thread of political commentary in many of these flash games. It's not overanalysis.

    The point, as someone already mentioned, is that a medium, any medium, is just a means of achieving a goal.

    It reminds me of people arguing whether games or comics can be "art". It's a silly question; any medium can be "art" if you make art with it. Likewise, there's nothing outlandish about flash games that entertain while offering political commentary.

  76. Thank God it's only a game with sound, not porn! by vaxer · · Score: 2

    Where do you work, man? I want a job where I can play loud video games at my desk, especially if pop-up ads aren't allowed in the workplace.

  77. UT2003: Two more weeks!!! by kstumpf · · Score: 2

    Here's another good example of political commentary ala Flash. This one is about gaming community politics (before watching, know that the UT2003 demo has been due out in "two more weeks" for several weeks now):

    http://www.planetunreal.com/features/ut2003flash /

    This was made by Fragmaster, who is quite possibly the only entertaining figure left in the gaming community.

  78. Re:Dear sir by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

    Did that comment make you feel better? Does your fragile low self esteem need to be propped up by making comments that intended to make others sink to your level? You were picked on school weren't you, go ahead admit it. Try talking with Jon Katz awhile he might be able to sooth your mental anguish.
    Or then again you just might be a child pretending be older.

  79. A much better one is... by snowcold · · Score: 0

    Ethnic Cleansing is The most politically incorrect video game ever made. Run through the ghetto blasting away various blacks and spics in an attempt to gain entrance to the subway system, where the jews have hidden to avoid the carnage. Then, if YOU'RE lucky.... you can blow away jews as they scream "Oy Vey!", on your way to their command center.

  80. HTTP/1.1 pipelining kills much of that by yerricde · · Score: 1

    HTTP really isn't designed for multiple, branched file downloads

    Then what's this "pipelining" thing I see in HTTP/1.1? While pulling the HTML page, every time the browser sees an object URL (image, stylesheet, etc), it immediately sends a GET request to the web server, and the web server responds with the object's data as soon as it has finished the previous object. Because one object's header and data immediately follows the previous object's, there's very little back-and-forth latency.

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  81. Re:Oh dear, the bollocks spouters are on the loose by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So only intelligent speech should be protected?

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  82. Antiwargame by strudeau · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to check out Antiwargame.

  83. These are some poor examples by roystgnr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are games out there that slip a little social thought into the plotline; Deus Ex's prescient consideration of "How much will people tolerate in the name of fighting terrorism?" is the first thing that comes to my mind.

    But what is the political commentary of "New York Defender" and "War on Terrorism" supposed to be? "Terrorism bad!"? "We need a system of powerful anti-aircraft lasers mounted outside all major cities!"? "Man, it'll be great to beat the crap out of bin Laden!"?

  84. What I think of the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > In addition to the craven self-promotion of
    > sending it in to Slashdot, I'm interested in
    > hearing what everyone thinks of this issue.

    If the issue is craven ("lacking the least bit of courage : contemptibly fainthearted") self-promotion, I'm all for it. Go craven self-promotion!

  85. Hey /dot thanks for the porn spam... by Papatoast · · Score: 1

    The War on Terrorism link errupts in flurry of porn ads...luckily, my super wasn't looking over my shoulder when I followed that link...

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  86. The media does not determine the maturity by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are just taking advantage of the medium, as they did with cartoons.

    You have a good point.

    If games with a message are infantile, then perhaps enjoyable books with a message suffer from the same complaint -- why aren't you reading a bland, straight political pamphlet if you want a "mature" medium?

    1. Re:The media does not determine the maturity by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      Right this minute, I've just finished watching a musical cartoon broadcast on UK tv channel, Channel 4, about how the peanut has become a success for Americcan producers, unlike other nuts' failures from poorer countries, who had their affairs tinkered with by the IMF and the World Bank.

      I won't go into the details here, but, I can honestly say that if it weren't for the comedy, the animation and the witty songs, I wouldn't have watched a programme on the subject.

      A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, and all that.

      As a cartoonist, I'm very interested in the way cartoons, and comic strips can be used to to discuss and explore serious, political, spiritual, and adult issues.

      The idea that I could produce a comic strip, which deals with a serious issue, and have that protected, but could make a game out of that same material, and have it censored to hell, while exloring the same issues but using a newer medium, is clearly an error of judgement (quite literally.)

      It's inconcievable that computer games will not become protected speech. All it will take is a well-targeted, and specifically designed game, to do the trick.

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    2. Re:The media does not determine the maturity by doctortofu · · Score: 1

      http://www.globalarcade.org/games/index.html

      Mergeroids: Break mega-corporations into tiny rocks.

    3. Re:The media does not determine the maturity by packeteer · · Score: 1

      cartoons and games are a good way for people to see another point of view... cartoons and games ARE "infantile" if thats what some want to call it... but i would agree with you... i call them "approachable"... games and cartoons of this level are easy to figure out but can still carry a strong message... we have bene playing games and reading cartoons since we were very young so this really helps bridge a gap between styles of news... i see java games as more of a new generation of cartoons btu essentially the same thing...

      and i think the poster forgot another game...

      kaboom which i should hope everyone find offensive i find no reason to censor it... its the offensive quality that makes you think...

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  87. First political game? by Jhan · · Score: 1

    How about "Commando Libya" for the C=64, circa 1986? Endless human-wave attacks by libyans that you gun down from your machine gun emplacement.

    Play well enough, and you'll get to insert your high score. A line of libyans before a gillioutine. First one kneels down, use joystick to put a letter on his head, press fire to chop it off.

    Not very PC, but quite fun.

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  88. New medium, old idea. by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Using crude artwork to express a political concern or viewpoint has been going on for hundreds of years. They were originally called 'editorial cartoons'. While today's updated version adds sounds and interactivity, the purpose and message are the same.

    What we have here is an author that seems to have graduated from the John Katz school of technology journalism; Lets make a big deal about some 'gee wiz' new technology that translates something that's been done for ages into the digital world, but lets forget to mention it's been done for ages.

    The revolutionary aspect of politically motivated video games is really a non-issue. The revolutionary aspect is in that anyone who does it can get it distributed easily. The author sort of missed the point on this too. From the article:

    This material would have been unheard of a few years back, when only corporations could afford to code video games

    Not so. I was coding video games back in the 80s on my old Apple //e. They were crude, and in retrospect, not very fun, but I was hardly a big corporation, but they were, indeed, games. The difference is, when I finished the only method of distribution I had was swapping floppy disks the next day on the playground with a handful of my nerdy friends.

    A crudely produced political video game is just as easily to make by the common man as a crudely drawn etching of a political cartoon was to produce 150 years ago. The types of messages aren't different, but today the common man can get his or her work viewed by thousands, if not millions of people with little or no cost.

    And here is where the author misses the boat! It doesn't matter if they are political video games, self published manifestos, communities based on a common interest... These are all nothing new. What's new is the way these publications can be created and distributed by the common man with no corporation behind him or her.

    It would be as if somebody wrote an article about websites like Slashdot and said 'Gee wiz! Look, today people can now make critical comments or discuss magazine articles', forgetting to mention that nearly every magazine prior to the Internet had a page for feedback and reader mail, and that the articles were discussed around the dinner table. The only real difference is now I can write this in 5 minutes, post it, and it will be scanned over by thousands, perhaps even read by 50 or 60 people. Now THAT'S the revolution I like and wish were looked at by writers more thoughtful and critical then myself.

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  89. What about the Quailtool on openwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now there was political speech if I ever heard any.

    It was a dialog box with a picture of His Majesty and a box with one of his quotes (with some provenance). It came with a huge database and you could next through them or set a timer to refresh for you.

    It was obviously a programming exercise or a 4 hour throw-away, but it was great.

    There were a number of neat game/demo/commentary programs on Suns and SGIs back pre-95.

  90. What the hell? by Kraegar · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What the hell is up with /. lately?

    A direct link to a program that will crash a windows box.

    A story about how to illegally make your own cisco box using warez.

    Links inside a story that have PORN POP UP ADDS.

    The days of my reading slashdot while at work are numbered. Are you intentionally trying to drive away your reader base? Is news just that slow?

    Admitted, slashdot is not the greatest news source out there, but occasionally you can find a gem or two amongst the articles... but with crap like this, it's not worth it.

  91. What deep social commentaries... by cryptochrome · · Score: 2

    Personally, I prefer the withering critique of modern adolescence of High School of the Apes and Hentai- Sim Girl.

    Hopefully, the appeal of such enlightening games as these will continue to grow.

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    ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

  92. Re: prison population by neocon · · Score: 1

    The study shows a five-fold increase in the number of incarcerated black men over the past 20 years.

    The problem with simply throwing around numbers like this is that these facts do not exist in a vacuum. In order to make any useful judgement from the above numbers, we would need to ask some or all of the following questions:

    • How do these changes in absolute numbers incarcerated relate to changes in the population in the age groups most associated with crime?
    • How do these changes in absolute numbers incarcerated among blacks relate to changes among other races?
    • How do these changes in absolute numbers incarcerated among blacks relate to changes in the crime rate among blacks?
    These questions can be summed up as follows: how do these changes relate to the crime rate overall? Do they reflect more crimes being committed, a greater percentage of criminals being caught, or disparate sentencing? To simply throw out the number as if it necessarily demonstrates the last of these three is, at best, disingenuous.
  93. bin laden liquors by noah_fense · · Score: 0


    Bin Laden Liquors is one of my favorites . . .

  94. OPERATION: ENDURING PIPELINE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see how ramming the WTC into the backside of Osama bin Laden 'makes you think.'

    Not all of them PROMOTE the war on terrorism.

    OPERATION: ENDURING FREEDOM
    http://www.sparko.com/war

  95. HERE. by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

    Well I dont know about politcal flash games, but this one is a hell of a lot of fun. We usually do it while drinking and see who can get the highest score - the more buzzed you get, the more difficult it is to avoid the obsticles.

    This game is very simplistic - yet very fun.

    Also another fun diversion is this one, called ant arena (at bottom of page)

  96. I had to look twice by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

    I had to look twice. I cannot believe this is not an article by JonKatz. The medium is not speech. The content may be. The content may not be. It absurd to argue that all computer games are protected speech. Some may be, although I haven't seen anything the rises to that level.

    As for things we should be getting hot and bothered about, I don't think (here in the USA) that the worry is about government limiting speech. Rather we should be worried about the increasing consolidation of handful of media companies controlling the production and distribution of "speech."

    No free speech law prevents any private party from refusing to publish, print, or broadcast anything they don;t want to publish, print, or broadcast. Censorship is legal provided it is a private party doing it. Now what are we worried about, again?

  97. Another precedent: 1970s "educational" board games by Philip+J.+Fry · · Score: 1
    Anyone else remember these? The kind of crap games you'd get as birthday presents from adults who thought Pong was too violent and regular board games were too competitive. They're great fun now, however....

    My favorite: Blacks and Whites, a game sort of like Monopoly, but designed "to give middle-class whites a taste of the helplessness which comes from living against implacable odds." Rules include:

    "Black players use the strips of black-power paper to mark the property they buy, thus marking the decline of white domination."

    "When a black player goes bankrupt, he goes on welfare and collects $5,000 from each white player."

    Check out the full rules here.

  98. PACMAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pacman was a good game. It taught many people to enjoy running around in dark rooms, eating pills being chased by ghosts while listening to repetitive electronic music. Now thats political commentary

  99. Better yet....KABOOM! by AndyChrist · · Score: 2

    How about a suicide bomber game?

  100. Punditry 101: Strip-mining, Karma-whoring & Cl by securitas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    [NOTE: posted on behalf of another Slashdotter who fears professional repercussions]

    In addition to the craven self-promotion of sending it in to Slashdot, I'm interested in hearing what everyone thinks of this issue.

    Ah, yes. Craven self-promotion and karma-whoring wrapped neatly in a mock self-deprecating tone designed to defuse any criticism. Classic Clive.

    What you forgot to mention was WHY you are interested in hearing what everyone thinks of this issue.

    For those who are unfamiliar with the esteemed Mr. Thompson's work, he seems to have a history of strip-mining the ideas of people he meets to fuel his lecture-circuit, TV appearances and column-fodder. Those people instantly become his so-called 'friends'. That wouldn't be quite so bad if one could be sure that there was any consistency in attributing those ideas to their respective sources instead of conveniently presenting them (uncredited) as pearls of wisdom from the Oracle of Clive.

    [Ed.] The columnist missed a better example of the genre - the EFF's game of digital restrictions management.

    Those familiar with Thompson's work already know that he has a history of frequently missing all kinds of things that are evident to people who actually try to be diligent about researching the stories they write.

    If the criticism sounds harsh (to some degree) it's meant to. After observing him for some years, he's not quite as bad as some of his pseudo-intellectual contemporaries because his work sometimes rises to the level of being competent. But being damned with faint praise such as that is hardly cause for joy.

    Clive, the last thing the world needs right now is yet another self-annointed technology pundit.

  101. Three words... by Associate · · Score: 1

    Barney, Bill Clinton, Doom.
    OK, that's four words, but the Bill Clinton and Barney mods for the original Doom were too funny. I can't remember the number of times I put Buba and the purple dinosaur down with a shotgun.

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    Someone hates these cans.