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Crushing Experience
sp00 writes "The Tsunamii.Net Crush Server is currently online live from the Millbank Gallery in London! Watch as the webserver counts itself down before it activates the industrial crusher attached to it, bearing 150-tonnes of brute force onto itself and terminating its existence. Check out the details on the Tsunamii.Net website or visit the webserver directly at http://195.195.81.5."
/. will crush it first.
(-1 redundent to the other 300 posts saying the same thing)
Thats a cool idea.. I've often had similar ideas while running the cardboard box crusher at work.. It'd be nice if the webserver had more info than just a counter tho.
I'm sorry. Somone probably thought this was a great deep and meaningfull peice of modern art...but blahh. Big deal. The problem with art nowadays is that artists think they are great philosophers, thinks and movers and shakers of the modern world. See in classic times, when they made real art, artists knew what they were. Entertainers.
Sure crushing a PC is entertaining...but I don't think thats what this guy is going for.
Blahh.
You are only young once, but you can stay immature indefinitely.
Watch as slashdotters from around the world bring the web server to its knees and save the poor server from extinguishing it's own life!
The website offers no insights into why they are doing this, I'm a little confused.
Also, this is in the News category?
Palaces, barricades, threats, meet promises
Sod art, this is jsut cool :) ever dropped a tv out of a second story window for the hell of it? ever destroyed something cause its fun? thats what hes aiming for :)
Is this want it has come to? Some conception of unclever modern art making the grade on /.
I come here for fun not to be swayed by the 'Arty' types..
Oh dear..
H&Ks Garf
But they are crushing a Linux box. Why the unjustifiable violence?
because it might crash before the counter goes down ?
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
...it's got to be running Linux, because if it was running IIS on Windows, the 150 ton hand of the BSA audit department would crush it in no time.
The counter will keep running well past zero. The server is not providing the ticks.
:-)
This is the first tie I've wanted someone to hack a box. Change the crush time to Monday Morning
Can someone explain? What's the point of this?
Who cares whether it is Windows or Linux. They are ruining equipment that some school or non-profit organization could really benfit from, and why? Just so a handful of \.ers could make crappy jokes and so this person could become "famous" for a couple of seconds.
They seem to think it's deep but indeed it's just dumb...
Well at least the server hosting up the image file(http://www.fragnetics.com/) got toasted! w00t!
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* 2 computers - both connected to the Internet
*One working as a web server and the other as a web client.
*The client is connected to the server through the Internet.
*The server is then crushed physically by a machine thus causing the server's data to be lost - the client will continue to search for the (server) site in vain.
* This action will be performed once and recorded on high-speed video or film. To be played back for the period of the show.
My personal opinion is that someone has accidentally crushed his own brains instead.
We only have till the 12th to hack the server and save Linux!
For great justice!
Ben
Work Safe Porn
If I was trying to do this, instead of making it time based (waiting for a clock to count down) I'd have made it page view based.
After, say, 1 Million page views the server crushes itself, first come, first served, so to speak..
PS: Yeah, yeah, make it completed page serves from unique and resolvable IP addresses, to try and avoid the usual trolls scripting page hits to try and crush it too early. Maybe something else, not sure..
"Oops, I always forget the purpose of competition is to divide people into winners and losers." - Hobbes
That being said, I have to admit that I don't "get" most "post-modern" art either, and suspect that most of it is pretensious crap. But I understand enough to know I'm too ignorant of the ideas involved to really have a useful opinion.
At least they could have put a decent picture of the thing there. You can't even see it well.
so instead of donating the server to a school or non profit organization that might NEED it, its going to be crushed and destroyed.
This is almost as selfish as the people who blow up their old MACs.
GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
See in classic times, when they made real art, artists knew what they were.
What a load of crap. Art has always been about titilating rich creeps, whether those rich creeps are kings or banking millionares. True, art has changed because photography can bring you realism if that is what you want, so art has retrenched into emotional portrayals instead. Other than that, it is the same game.
You are just jealous because poor artists get laid more often than middle-class geeks. I almost went into art as a career myself. But, my style does not attract the chicks. It is "geek art" more or less. (geocities.com/astroviews)
Table-ized A.I.
To save the server, just turn off Javascript in your browser - the clock immediately stops! Hurrah!
Together, we can rebuild^Wsave it!
Tim
Right...and every time you buy a CD or go to a movie, you are spending money that school or non-profit could really benefit from. And every time you eat at a restaurant, you are spending money that some hungry person could really benefit from. And every time you take a vacation, you are spending time that could have donated to a local charity. And...
Entertainment is nonproductive. Deal with it.
I get 404's for far more pedestrian reasons =)
To someone that needs a computer, or a school perhaps. Seems like a waste
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
No, I can't recall who said it.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
(* It's the first case of assisted suicide on the x86 architecture. *)
Don't worry, I hear heaven is nice for servers. They get to run bug-free operating systems up there in a dust-free environ and device drivers never conflict.
If you sin too much, you may be reincarnated as an NT server running MS Outlook.
Table-ized A.I.
...will it sing "Bicycle Built for Two?"
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do, I'm half craazy, alll fooor theee looooove oooooof yoooooouuuuuu..."
c-hack.com |
you missed out "Spending time on slashdot could be better spent with poor people outside - they need love & your time!"
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
Does the server have a interface for turning on the light switch?
It looks unimpressive in the darkness.
You may have hit something here. That would be a pretty cool idea to see if anyone could save the box from being crushed.
"Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality." -Jules de Gautier
Dr. Evil: Activate the unnecessarily-slow-moving crushing mechanism! I'm just going to watch from my Web browser and assume it all went to plan. What?
Sometimes, it's good to just answer the question yourself, for yourself. Instead of settling for the trivial answer to "why are they doing this?", consider the implications of "why am I confused?".
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
It seems the British really do have pointless, drawn-out ceremonies for every little thing. But why did they choose September 12? What if a terrorist blows up the exhibit on the 11th? Then we'll never get to see how it ends.
That's the cool thing about "art", though: everybody gets to interpret it differently, and come away with a personal, unique experience.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
Actually, every time you eat at a restaurant, you are paying people's salaries and wages. Ditto vacation, etc. So, wasting time and stuff: bad. Wasting money: ? Well, there are whole industries that benefit from people doing that. See also Velbein.
KLAATU, BORADA, NIh*ahem*
FYI, I received the same "release" as quoted above in multiple pieces of spam this weekend. Keep this in mind when we show our support and interest in this (admittedly amusing) venture.
Bwahahaha!
Wow, you're funny. Now fuck off an protest the waste of space that is the Louvre.
Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.
While this project isn't exactly my box of springs, there was some discussion on the this newsgroup if you are lucky enough to find the particular post. Network54's article retention is less than average, but the original crusher discussion took place there. Well worth the read if you can locate it, perhaps in a Google cache.
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
Crush the server? Hell, crush the lusers! "I guess you won't be needing that diskspace anymore, good that I didn't waste any tape on it..."
karma capped
This reminds me of a skit Dave did a long time ago. He went into a machine shop that had an industrial press, and proceeded to crush goofy things that people on the street would suggest. One person said, "I want to see something as flat as a pancake!" so he took a stack of pancakes (and a bottle of syrup) and crushed that.
At the end of the skit, he gave a goofy monologe, and then proceeded to put his microphone in the press, and you heard the sounds of the microphone being crushed. You then saw him tapping on what was left of the microphone, and mouthing "Hello? Is this thing on??"
00 5 1 * * root ifconfig eth0 down
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
That's true, you have a point.
However every time you buy a CD, or go to a movie, or eat at a restaurant you feed a hungry person too. Maybe not someone who is starving, but you are using services that some people make money. From the rich bastards who made the movie/CD, to the big companies distributing those services (recording companies, big restaurant chains, independent restaurant owners), to the poor people working to provide those services to you. You are feeding someone, it just may not be the people you think of first when you consider the "starving children".
Anyway, just my $0.02
- mescaline - its the only way to fly -
SIG: HUP
...and cut the connection the machine has with the crusher. Do it!
"Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons!"
Let's rejoice in the concept of vacation without consumption. You know, a "vaction" doesn't need to involve expensive travel, accomodations, food, souvenirs, or really much consumption at all. There used to be a day when a family (or couple or individual) would take a drive, pitch a tent, go for a hike, relax, prepare inexpensive & healthy food for themselves. It's sad that today the most bragged about "vacations" seem to simply be consumption-oriented expensive trips to somewhere that charges you more to eat and sleep, while ensuring that you are well protected from the raw culture of the vicinity.
Or it could be a refence to biological aging.
Or maybe the guy hates computers and loves torturing them.
However, by far the most likely reason is that the artist thought it was a cool-sounding idea and it would be likely to bring him cheap advertising. Well, it worked. ;-)
-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"Every so often, they had to get a new fish.
they dont get it
as soon as you put something on the web and someone looks at it cacheing happens
cached at the browser depending on the settings and depending on the ISP in their cache servers
Now Ontop of this thanks to UK guv most ISP's have to keep certain data that flow's through the system
so maybe this wont happen maybe it will depending on who you are, where you are and how your doing it
I mean they could net even use their own IP address !
"I just installed redhat 7.3 my mate did the config"
its so sad
regards
John Jones
p.s. I bet it ends up running an IRC server
They should have done a more Matrix-ish version and had a person sitting underneath, not the server.
Back in the day, this was Novell's gimmick at trade shows. You'd watch the secretary typing away at a terminal, an a giant weight dramatically crushes the server, while the backup server gracefully fails-over. Secretary keeps
typing, unfazed by the big noise/surprised audience/etc.
-fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
An idea I had, prior to 9/11 anyway....
My house has numerous wired appliances, to be controlled and observed via the internet. Something I thought of doing was to rig up a mock nuclear bomb, movie style, with the keypad and readout on it, something similar to what was used in "Broken Arrow". The idea is, people could set the timer and start the countdown, and anyone watching could abort the timer. If, for any reason, the timer managed to reach 0 while someone was watching, that person would get automatically added to the firewall rules and wouldn't be able to access the site anymore. For all practical purposes, the entire network would "disappear".
At least, I thought it would be a clever prank that might worry someone for a few minutes anyway. And I'd be sure to put enough casual disclaimers around that it wasn't real. However, after 9/11, even the perceived threat of something like that was likely to result in a lot of "shoot and ask questions later" approaches by your favorite law enforcement agencies, so I just trashed the idea.
-Restil
Play with my webcams and lights here
OK, We need to mount a rescue effort to save this machine. Surely some CounterStrike players could come up with a plan to rescue this machine before it is sentenced to death. Surely there is some decency left here on Slashdot. SAVE THE BOX!!!
Or don't, I don't really give a shit.
bbh
This is the same hideous gut wrenching feeling I get watching a car crash test commercial on TV.
At least destroying a brand new automobile helps provide information that may save lives. This is just a sad waste of computer equipment. Karma be damned, I just think the people running this "experiment" need to grow up.
We have a finite amount of resources on this planet and this just sends a message to the entire Internet that they're willing to webcast their own wastefulness.
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DRM is like antifreeze, to the MPAA/RIAA it's sweet, to the consumers it's poison.
... and don't get me wrong, I do have a fair appreciation of what's art and what isn't, but I can't help thinking that the doomed computer could be put to better use by, say, giving it to a school in a deprived area, or even to a family that can't afford to buy one. A few years of learning seems like a better investment than a few seconds of novelty entertainment for people who, I bet, have all got computers.
Actually, that goes for anything you might do for a living -- putting up buildings, selling cars, whatever. If you enjoy your work, you probably take pleasure in doing it well. You might accept criticism, but you'd think that ignorant criticism is stupid. And you'd be right.
Or music. What kind do you like? Do you enjoy dancing to it? How do you feel when somebody with two left feet criticizes your favorite music as "noise"?
If you think this self-smashing computer is stupid and pointless, you're entitled to think so. I might even agree with you. (In this case I probably would!) But unless you make a serious study of what's going on, you're not entitled to make authoritative statements about it, and insult the people doing it.
Unless, of course, your name is Rush Limbaugh. But he's special!
...and his twin plays, Dogg's Hamlet/Kohout's Macbeth.
Do you know of a webcamp pointed at a microwave that is exploding hotdogs?
I'd click that.
The anti-salmon
This sure sounds like a tempting box to hack. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it turns out to be a honeypot. I guess we'll have to see on Wednesday.
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
And to think that this server could have instead held the web pages that led to world peace.
The guys lighting and sniffing the plastic to sort it for recycling in asia will really appreciate it.
Well, yeah, you have a right to express any opinion on any subject whatsover. Even when you're opinions are totally ignorant. Doesn't make you less ignorant.
I know this will be moderated as "troll", but I can't help posting this. I don't see anything here but a big "hey, we the rich of earth can destroy things. We have so much... Our next show will be throwing a couple of tons of food to the ocean".
Could you imagine if this thing had a positronic brain governed by the 3 laws (or any of the modifications)? We'd have a revolution on our hands!
Mordor...a magical, mythical land where women are more rare than dragons--but where every man would rather find a dragon
ask any artist why they did something, and they will tell you that they did if because they enjoy it... or they did it for themselves. saying that you want to do something to 'get chicks' or to make money or something is admitting to the world that you are an entertainer, not an artist. big difference.
I don't believe much that flows out of people's mouth WRT what motivates them. Men think with their yanker without even knowing it.
BTW, spaceart is not the path to chicks.
Table-ized A.I.
Yeah, but entertainment doesn't have to be gratuitously wasteful (key word in bold). It's likewise entertaining to blow up your house, run your car off a cliff, or piss in your toaster to see what color the steam is.
Amazingly, it's also fun to read a book, write a program, or hell, write a book. Yeah it's a drag to _always_ avoid doing the stupid, wasteful shit that gives you the pleasure of being reckless, but it seems like people have lost the ability to make this a once-in-a-while pleasure rather than an every other day pleasure.
Buy a CD?
;)
HAHAHAHAHA
Good one dude!
Let's use their own words.. Umm, "Get out of the old!"
Must-not-watch TV!
While in class I once programmed an industrial robot (just an arm with a grip, really) to yank its own power cord. Robot suicide! But, I guess it doesn't count (!) since I didn't have a cheesy clock running backwards on the Net (Anyway, this was before Tim Berners-Lee had his vision and where's my cane, you young whelps!?).
Money for nothing, pix for free
Too many people see public schools as a dumping ground for old computers for tax writoffs and it is very annoying to get a lot of old 286 computers that cannot be used because they won't run the apps we are using or are broken and are not worth repairing. The myth that school districts always need new computers and are too poor to get them is in the past thanks to e-rate (that means a school district pays 17 cents on the dollar for equipment - thats how my employer afforded a PBX and some really nice Proliant servers) and educational discounts (for example with Microsoft's contract with Washington State school districts, SQL Server Standard/1 Processor costs $1800 as compared to around $10,000 for a company to purchase a license) and grants given by the government and companies. So please instead of donating them to your local school district, give them to charities who fix them up and give them to communities overseas who can really use them
Save your breath and don't suggest installing Linux on them, I do not have the time to train a bunch of teachers to use it nor will it run the apps we use - unless of course somehow a decent gradebook program, Dreamweaver, AutoCAD 2000, Adobe Photoshop and a bunch of other programs all of a sudden magically decided to run on linux overnight.
You're vandalizing private property and actually saving it :).
Heh.
Gene patents: all your base are belong to us!
because you a whiny
get over it
moderation is about servicing the readers not the posters ego
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Sure a good artist can make a pile of shit look good.
But unfortunately most of the artists that work with shit are crap. Like the ones that put shit in jars and call it art. Many of these so called artist think they are doing something unique. Well, IMO everything is unique, but that doesn't make all of it good. One could be crap in one's own unique way but still crap.
Even a dung beetle can't appreciate shit in jars.
Then there's the "artist" who throws paint into jet exhausts and calls the splattered results on canvas art. And then there are those who go for what shocks the public. Oh yeah, little Billy shocks his sister with gross stuff all the time, sure there's a reaction but is that art? Nah.
I have to admit it could take exceptional imagination to _believe_ shit in jars is art. But one could just be delusional. Which is more likely? I wonder if they actually believe it themselves, they are more likely to be con artists than artists.
Yes a lot of them are very clever indeed, but does it go beyond smart-ass clever?
It's like humour. Sure some jokes require insider info, some different cultural backgrounds. But some just aren't _funny_. Unless you're laughing your head off insane.
I don't go around calling my bad puns humour. Even if people inadvertently chuckle. Maybe some of my better puns are at "amateur caricatures" level but that's about it.
Emperor's new clothes to them all.
The mad people at totl.net have already done something along the same lines which was reported on slashdot a while ago (can't be bothered to find the reference). The idea is to make deleteing the whole website so easy that nobody will bother because it isn't a challenge ;)
You can find the whole thing here:
http://totl.net/HonourSystem/
If you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let'em go, because, man, they're gone.
And your right.
Western society is rife with Consumer-Indulgence.
I find it amazing that your cynical view is "supported" to +5?
According to the SPAM I get weekly, it's 87%...
:)
Looks like that crap is good for something after all
I assume they bought the server before destroying it. Wasting stuff == wasting money.
Good point - one should never make assumptions.
"Prepare for the worst - hope for the best."
...I guess these 'artists' are of the same ilk as those poseurs who shit on a sidewalk and call it Art.
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
The guys who are doing this project are coming along to dorkbot-london on Wednesday 11th Sept 7pm.
From the announce,
"next meeting
7pm, wednesday 11th september, the boxing club, limehouse town hall
entrance
free
speakers
- Charles and Tien from http://tsunamii.net/ will talk about 'alpha 3.5',
their server-crushing project.
- Beatrice Gibson from http://nungu.com will talk about her telematic
auntie, and other nungu projects
- Duncan Whitley and Christian Nold will present 'Fuelair', a project
to transmit audio from inside a petrol bomb.
- opendork. Got something interesting you're working on? Bring it, and show
it to us.
location
the boxing club,
limehouse town hall,
646 commercial rd,
london, e14 7ha
tel: 020 79870655
travel
[ http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=53
by tube
limehouse dlr from bank or tower gateway
by bus
15 from trafalgar sq
115 from aldgate
d6 from hackney
d3 from bethnal green
get onto commercial road and travel east from aldgate or whitechapel. keep
going until you pass limehouse dlr on your right (you go under the dlr train
bridge) and you'll see a modern red brick church also on the right, then a
pair of esso stations on either side of the street, then the library with a
statue of clement atlee in front of it, then you'll see the town hall, with
the limehouse hawksmoor church behind it. at this point you should get off
the bus/out of the car and come ring on the "boxing club" bell.
It's the realization that it's not just the page that can't be served, it's that the server doesn't exist anymore. It's the realization that the "virtual" content must be served by a physical thing, and that physical thing both has a limited lifespan and can be destroyed, thus destroying the virtual content as well.
Yes, it's art, and it's interesting, IMnsHO.
Brandon