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Tom's Hardware Review of Yamaha CRW F1
Tremblay99 writes "Tom's Hardware has a review of the Yamaha CRW F1 CD burner. Not interested, you say? Well, it can burn images on the media side of a CD. While it's not the fastest burner around, it can do CD-RWs at 24x. Not bad at all."
What will i do with a printed image on the media side?!? stick my CD KEY's on it???
...too bad Tom's Hardware is still one of the most biased, misleading, and falsified tech sites out there.
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Try a few others instead:
http://www.cdrlabs.com/reviews/index.php?review
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Articles/Specif
Looks like this may extend the useful life of CDRs! Sounds all good to me.... Even though DVD writables are coming down in price they still cant match CDRs for compatibilty (as they are still arguing over the format for DVDs) and price.
I realize that neither side of the controversy is interested in a moderate or centrist view... but it does seem to me that IF you had digital restrictions management that allowed bit-for-bit digital copies and imposed no restrictions at all on what you could copy... but restricted copying SPEED to about 2X realtime... you'd have something very reasonable.
(The point is to duplicate the sort of porous protection copyrights have always had, in which fair-use and casual personal copying is easy, but large-scale commercial piracy is difficult--and is based, not on technical mechanisms, but on the relationship between the value of the unauthorized copies and the cost and practicality of enforcement).
Yes, yes, yes, I know, the DRM opponents (the side I'm on, mostly. I'm an EFF member, BTW. Are you?) would never trust that a DRM scheme, once in place, would ever be limited to ANYTHING reasonable. And I can think of various ways of evading the intent of the speed restriction.
Just a thought.
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We'll get to burn 3.09GB on the disk!
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Unless I've completely confused myself, media images wouldn't be very useful on discs which are nearly, or completely, full of data, as the images themselves must come after the TOC.
I rarely find myself burning a CD if it's only going to be a small amount of data, so that normally wouldn't leave much room left for the pretty pictures.
But I guess it may be common to burn a few megs on a CD for some people.
Either the industry has hit a new low, or I'm the only one planning to do this... That is until I posted it here on "perv"dot and all you people plan to follow suit.
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"What will i do with a printed image on the media side?!?"
You must be new here.
The answer is: pr0n
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Why have a 'media side' at all? Why not have data on both sides of a CD?
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Hey, the Yamaha R1 is very fast...why not review that? I'm sure you speed freaks you're gonna love a 170kg 1000cc bike
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I am very suprised that this is not mentioned in the article but this technology is almost completely useless. The Disk T@2 can only be put on a area with no data. So maybe if you are copying 100MB of mp3's to a cd you could add a bit of text but if you burn more than 300MB or so there is not enough room to put the image. Personally I can't remember the last time I burned a disk with under 500mb on it so this is really a pretty useless feature, however cool I thought it would be at first before I did some research.
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For all I care the burner could suck... now you can make better looking coasters!
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No body else seems to have mentioned that if you go to the info page once main link loads... you will see that is does cd RW ar 24X but does normal cd's at 40X... When i was looking at it and thought it was 24X12X40 or something like the 24's often are i thought it was quite cool but impractical.. However with a 40x24x?? it may be well worth theat extra feature... The real question is if it doest the image printing as it burns or after it burns. I remember reading when it first came out that it burnt between the tracks of the data to make the image does this mean that it takes as long extra as it would to burn the amount of data in that space??? Bascily what will the final burn time be after the 40x + image?
I can imagine some creative vendor using this technology to burn bar codes (or other non-standard data) of crypt keys on CDs. The software would then verify the key data existed and allow the protected content to be accessed.
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Last week and it's awesome. no buffer underrun errors or other problems and it's superfast. My last one was a budget burner and died after a little over a year. I went with the scsi version.
Highly recommended!
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Am I the only one who took several minutes to figure out that "DiscT@2" is "Disc Tattoo"?
Guess my age is showing.
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If it allows you to burn pits and lands arbitarily, surely you could write data in analogue laserdisc format to CD-R?
:-).
Think how useful it would be - commercials for local TV stations could be put on CD-R. I know you can do that with recordable DVD, or just using an MPEG stream on CD-R, but this would be cheap and cost effective, assuming that the local TV station had a laserdisc player.
Admittedly you would only get about 10 minutes of laserdisc video on a standard CD-R, but it would be really cool
So if I understand correctly, it can only use unused space on the disk to write this information, and it isn't included in the TOC. If I read the CD bit-by-bit, does this show up as garbage data? It sounds like this isn't a special laser or anything, just burning bits on the CD in specific spots.
So if I do a bit-by-bit copy of a CD burned with an image on another computer using a CD burner with no such capability to create images on its own, will it also copy the image?
Or am I completely wrong here? If I'm correct, it sounds like with the properly written drivers (or possibly firmware), you might be able to make other burners do this...
My chief problem with CDRs is that you can't use a hole punch to make the disk double-sided.
Wake me up when I can burn data on the image side.
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If you're burning a batch of CD's, 12 minutes to burn the image is a lot to add just to put a picture on the cd. Had I put together a birthday CD last weekend and had I burned 30 copies for the guests and had I used the image burner, it would have added six hours to the task. Seems a lot of time just to put a label on a CD.
I just installed one of these drives last night.
;)
It's pretty fast, and the disk tattoo feature is really neat. I paid $180 at CDW for it. The grey(blue/whatever)scale gradients are sufficient to get a lot of detail. The Nero software will automatically thottle down the speed if the media can't handle the burn rate you select. Useful feature, imo.
And yes, you can burn porn images. I have one disc burned with 7 boob pix around it that I plan to give to a friend and tell him it's a CD full of porn.
I don't even use my CD burner anymore. I only ever used it for music, and all that just goes on my iPod now.
Is the review like similar reviews from Tom's?
Is Tom's still using Sysmark?
I figured out something was going on over there when Tom's remained silent on the IBM GXP hard drive issue. After that, on visits to the site, something about the reviews just didn't seem right. Now, my suspicions have been confirmed.
Go to AMDZone, click on Search, then use search term "Van" for third hand information on Tom's methods.
Next time you post an article like this, you needs must have a clarification of the word "image". At first I was thinkin', `Okay, so it can burn .iso images to the media side of a CD... So? Isn't this what CD burner software generally does? Isn't this the whole point? Perhaps this is some strange usage of the word "media".'
But it turned out to be an ambiguous usage of "image" as I have indicated. This isn't the first time we've had this problem here.
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True the image writing on the CD is mainly eye candy. But the other features that the CRW-F1 support are the reason I purchased one.
* CAV 44X max CD-R recording
* CAV* Ultra Speed 24X max CD-RW recording
* CAV 44X CD reading
* 44X max digital audio extraction
* IDE interface
* 8MB buffer memory
* Safe Burn technology
* Optimum Write Speed Control technology
* New YDC132-V controller
* Supports overburn
* Supports blank CDs of 80, 90 and 99 minutes
* Supports the DAO RAW mode
* Mount Rainier-compatible
* Advanced Audio Master Quality Recording technology
* DiscT@2 technology
* CD-RW Audio Track Edit
* Ahead Nero Burning Rom 5.5 and InCD software
Oh...And a cool blue LED
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I've got a CRW-F1. Yes, the included software-- a version of Nero 5 which, incidentally, is too stupid to match the curvature of your text to the CD (you have to adjust it manually)-- does burn text and images to the unused portion of a CDR. Too bad that on most CDs the difference between the burned and unburned portion is so slight you'll have to hold the CD up to bright light at an angle to see anything. Yamaha includes a single CD-R with a deep blue dye layer that shows off the effect very well...but so far hasn't made these special CD-Rs available for purchase.
It just accured to me that these "printed images" on the rest of the free space could be used to copyprotect a cd; (now avalible ) for us plain-users *that is*.
:)*. Maybe someone will start a new opensource project *hehe*
The images gets burned outside the TOC, so when you read (copy) the cd all other info outside the TOC gets left out.
Add a little "protection app" to the cd, make the cd-rom[s] execute the app. Where the apps look "in a certian place" for the right bit burnt in the right places. [Don't forget that you most likely have to encode the data of the cd; so, that only the little app that gets executed upon insertion can read&decode the contet (only IF! it finds the right bits&bytes on the cd)].
And Voul'a a copy protected cd.
*hum* upon more thought, You could do this with a regular cdburner too *you just need someone (or yourself) to code the right app for this certian scheme
I don't claim I know more than I know, and if you know you know more than I know, then by all means, let me know.
There is a consumer model that burns faster than 44x?
I've installed several of these in external cases at work, and they are awesome little drives. (Although the Yamaha site says nothing about a SCSI version, there is one, sort of. It is an IDE drive with a SCSI converter that plugs into the IDE connector). Works like a champ, and other than DiscT@2, it can burn a CD pretty damn quick.
cdrecord already supports this technology - browse documentation and search for discopts=, imagefile=. Be sure to prepare 3000x40 image first :)
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Yamaha sux
Back in my day we had to use a marker to write the keys on the CD's and we couldn't do it on the media side.
There's a $20.00 rebate available through 3-31-03 at http://yamaha.com/specials.htm.
CNET has performance specs another review, and more specs. This has been out for a while. :)
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I've got a feeling bush has said something just as intelligent...
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