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Electric Car Capable of 180mph

niclas_b writes "This electric car is pretty cool. It's not cheap and maybe not very practical. But very cool nevertheless." Might as well throw in a link to their homepage as well.

366 comments

  1. trolling links by microsoft.CLIT · · Score: -1

    I need some trolling links could u please supply?

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    1. Re:trolling links by microsoft.CLIT · · Score: -1

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  2. Bababooey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Bababooey! Bababooey! Bababooey!

  3. How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Speed limit is 55 or 65 mph in the US...

    1. Re:How is that useful? by Ryu2 · · Score: 2

      There's more in the world than just the US... think the superhighways in Germany or Italy for instance.

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    2. Re:How is that useful? by shepd · · Score: 1

      >Speed limit is 55 or 65 mph in the US...

      Speed most people drive is 85 or 95 mph in the US.

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    3. Re:How is that useful? by GMontag451 · · Score: 2

      Speed limit where I live is 70.

    4. Re:How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have over 1600 [slashdot.org] comments? Why Not?

      Cuz I have a life...

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      Bababooey to you!

    5. Re:How is that useful? by radiashun · · Score: 1

      the world doesn't just consist of the US... ever heard of the autobahn?

    6. Re:How is that useful? by jpt.d · · Score: 2

      Yes! Put him in his place! :p

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    7. Re:How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I have no autobahn, you insensitive clod.

    8. Re:How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is why you'll never buy one of these... which is why you shouldn't bother posting about how impractical it is f00l!

    9. Re:How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 75 in Tennessee.

      Most everyone does 85 anyway.

      Of course, our roads aren't pothole ridden gravel bullshit like a whole lot of other states, so we can drive those speeds without worrying too much.

      No, we don't have some huge number of deaths state-wide due to speeding either. No higher than any other state, anyway.

      Drinking and Driving still kills more people than speed.

    10. Re:How is that useful? by LoztInSpace · · Score: 1

      And that's why you can't buy a car in America that does more than 65. Twat.

    11. Re:How is that useful? by Osty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Drinking and Driving still kills more people than speed.

      Speed never killed anyone. It's how they decided to stop that caused the problem. <rimshot /> But seriously, most "speed-related deaths" statistics you'll find are artificially inflated. The way the statistics are counted is that if anybody involved was speeding (ie, going at least 1 mph over the limit), then it's categorized as speed-related. That's ignoring any of the true factors, like being alcohol-related, or caused by that little brat in the backseat that wouldn't sit down, or the driver was just an idiot (reading the morning paper while driving counts as idiocy).

    12. Re:How is that useful? by GMontag451 · · Score: 2

      Maybe you should look to see who I was responding too before you accuse me of being americocentric. Browsing at +1 makes you look like a fool.

    13. Re:How is that useful? by GMontag451 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Drinking and Driving still kills more people than speed.

      Yeah, but you ever notice how drunk drivers never seem to hurt themselves or any of the other drunks out on the roads at 2 AM when the bars close, but only sober drivers? I think everyone should be driving drunk and we'd see a large decrease in the number of auto deaths.

    14. Re:How is that useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, this is slashdot... nobody reads the parent posts, therefore, don't assume they know who you're replying to.

    15. Re:How is that useful? by vaguelyamused · · Score: 1

      I work in Emergency Medical Services and there is a hard, fast rule in EMS. Your chances of surviving an otherwise unsurvivable accident are inversely proportional to your societal worth.

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    16. Re:How is that useful? by JustShowMeTheFives · · Score: 1
      Interesting theory! There's a similar one about pot smokers: despite being intoxicated, they still have less accidents than totally sober drivers because they're more paranoid than usual (from getting caught). I disagree personally and don't recommend driving on copious amounts of weed.

      Basically anything that makes a car ride more fun is bad for you.

      Yeah, but you ever notice how drunk drivers never seem to hurt themselves or any of the other drunks out on the roads at 2 AM when the bars close, but only sober drivers? I think everyone should be driving drunk and we'd see a large decrease in the number of auto deaths.

    17. Re:How is that useful? by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      Speed never killed anyone.

      That is simply not true.

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    18. Re:How is that useful? by Alphtoo · · Score: 1

      Osty, I don't know where you live, but here in the USA if there's a six-car pileup and five drivers were speeding and the other one was drinking, the accident was alcohol related, by default. And the driver who had been drinking, depending on blood alcohol level and where this wreck occured, will most likely be prosecuted as having caused the accident. The fact is, most accidents are caused by Driving Under the Influence of Stupidity, and there are probably as many MADD mothers guilty of that as there are moderate drinkers... perhaps more, because moderate drinkers here know they are potential scapegoats and drive even more carefully after a nip or two.

  4. Electric Car or Bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Gee, That baby looks fun to park!

  5. teh futare of slashdot crap tsarkon buttfuck bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
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  6. sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    sure, that's easy as long as you only want
    to have a range of 5 miles...

    (by the way, am i the first? probably not...)

  7. Hey!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    My dick is very, very, very hard!!! Wanna see?

    1. Re:Hey!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      does your mommy know that you are showing
      pictures of her on the internet?

  8. Bullshit by Yonder+Way · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    If this were true, I'd have seen it on CNN or MSNBC tonight. First of all it is very rare for an Internal Combustion Engine, even a hot rod, to hit such speeds. Secondly, the range is highly unlikely for any electric car right now, especially one with a top speed so questionably high.

    Finally, this thing is a stretch limo. Having owned & restored 2 limos, I know that they are like sherman tanks to drive compared to the original cars that they were stretched from. The weight alone of this car would prevent it from having the sort of range claimed.

    Until such lofty claims are verified by a trusted source, the Slashdot editors shouldn't be so gullible and eager to publish on their front page.

    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      It's asian.. ... ... ... ... no wonder you dont get it.

    2. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why Bullshit?

      The article says the car is built using modern materials...perhaps extensive use of carbon fibre has made it lighter? That certainly helps F1 cars achieve a decent power to weight ratio.

      The BBC featured this car on one of their scientific programs awhile ago, perhaps it's too cutting edge (and so not commercial enough) for other news vendors?

      As for the range, perhaps the makers are using ideal conditions or are tuning the system for cruising at an economical speed, just like many current car manufacturers do (hence the 'chipping' industry).

      I guess a vehicle like this may not be suitable for long distances in the US, but for shorter trips (I hate to suggest the school run!) this could be ideal...good luck to them.

    3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't remember which news channels it was on, but there were a few (at least two that I recall) stories on the car in the past few days.

      March 10 Story about the car

    4. Re:Bullshit by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 1
      Secondly, the range is highly unlikely for any electric car right now, especially one with a top speed so questionably high

      I agree with that. Even the electric drag racers don't go that fast, and they're specifically built for acceleration and speed.

    5. Re:Bullshit by Hellasboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Electric drag racers are meant to run in the 1/4 mile and don't concern themselves with how fast they eventually can get. For all we know, this could take 1 to 100 km to reach it's top speed of 180 km/hr. But with 440kw (over 1000 hp) it won't take 100 km.

      And for the parent thread... 180 mph isn't that high. My 7 year old car does 146 mph and only 146 mph because it has an electronic governer prohibiting it from going any faster. Look at most (if not all) of the AMG Mercedes Benz, they are all with a top speed of around 180. Porsches have been doing it for generations. Most low end cars can make it to at least 120 mph. for something with 440kw of power, 180 mph shouldn't be too hard.

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    6. Re:Bullshit by cryptor3 · · Score: 1

      So let's assume that this thing's engine has almost same performance capabilities as an internal combustion engine.

      According to the specifications, the car weighs 2980 kg (~1355 lbs). This puts the car right in the same weight class as F1, and makes it half of what a Honda Civic weighs. You call this heavy?

      (Side Note: It would be unfair to compare this car to a limo, because unlike a limo, this car has been designed from the ground up. Since limos are modified in an "unintended" manner, they require a great deal of reinforcement, which adds a significant weight penalty. Presumably, this car doesn't suffer from this problem.)

      If you're comparing this car directly to ICE cars (a faulty comparison, yes), then it has good odds of being able to make 300 km@100km/h. (186 mi@~60mph)

      And for those of you that might argue that a car putting out 1000 HP couldn't possibly go that far, keep in mind that the 440 kW (1000 HP) statistic refers to the MAXIMUM horsepower.

    7. Re:Bullshit by Trisha-Beth · · Score: 1

      According to the specifications, the car weighs 2980 kg (~1355 lbs).

      That's where you started to go wrong - you divided instead of multiplied (delete comment about geek's understanding of "the birds and the bees").

      2980kg is 6556 lbs, which is quite heavy for a car.

  9. Something's Wrong... by BaconLT · · Score: 5, Funny
    I think the link is broken, it took me to a picture of the car in Demolition Man.

    Maybe it was Total Recall, not sure.

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  10. Classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Did it fall off a cliff?

    1. Re:Classic joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Did you hear about the dick4 (*) with the blatantly homosexual nickname "SEWilco" that had to get his stomach pumped because he swallowed too much man-juice? No? Let me tell you then. There was this raging fairy who enjoyed wearing pink leotards, walks in the rain with other men, and touching small animals who sucked so much dick one night in the rest stop off I-90 that he had to have his stomach pumped. If he didn't get his stomach pumped, he would have died! That creature used the nick "SEWilco" while posting on Slashdot, the website for a gay rights advocacy group.

      Now, don't get me wrong here. I don't hate gay people, I just think they're not "people" in the true sense of the word. Just as Hitler and Ryan believe that Jews are lower forms of life, I see homosexuals as not really on the same field as me, in terms of evolution. You see, they're fucking stupid. Reproduction only works when an egg meets jizz. When jizz meets shit, nothing happens.

      On a side note: I know that I have been quoted in the past as saying that when two men get together they can produce shit-babies. The shit-baby is the result of semen entering fecal matter and bringing it to life. I normally call someone a shit-baby to imply that they only have two dads, like that whore in the shitty 80's TV show. For purposes of this diatribe, we will pretend that I have never held the view that shit-babies are possible. Thank you.

      As I was saying, gay people are fucking stupid. They don't understand that one of the basic reasons to live, is to create miniture versions of yourself. I am looking forward with glee to the day that I can have five or ten little versions of me running around. They will do my bidding, after an appropriate level of training. Eventually they will rise up and murder me because, after proper training to be me, they will not allow themselves to be yoked and held down by a tyrant. But the ride to that ultimate death will be an enjoyable one. Ah, I have gotten off the subject. Homosexuals are stupid. They are below me just as gas station attendants, people working in the mall, lawyers, nurses, anyone associated with the New York Mets organization, network administrators, and a slew of other "life" forms are. I close this message to all Muslims with the following quote, courtesy of Sally Jesse Raphael, "Suck my big, fat, black cock you skinny little white whore."

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  11. Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    440kw == nearly 1000 hp, that's quite a lot of power. There aren't many vehicles that can seat 8 and do the quarter mile (0-400 meters in this case) in 14.5 seconds!

    Interesting demo, but it doesn't seem terribly practical cost-wise.

    1. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by luzrek · · Score: 5, Informative
      586 horsepower actually 1 horsepower is 750 watts.

      It doesn't suprise me that an electric car can hit high speeds, or have very short acceleration times. Electric motors have very good low speed torque. Basically they translate about 90% of the energy you dump into them to kinetic energy (try getting that out of a mechanical transmittion), so acceleration is pretty much dependant on what you can draw from the power source. Also, top speed is very dependant on areodynamics. I remember a vehicle from the 1930's in the Deutches (spelling) Museum in Munich that could do 70 miles an hour on a very low power engine (I seem to remeber about 50 hoursepower). It acompished this by having a very low drag coefficient (it was tear-drop shapped, and supposedly has the lowest drag coefficient of any car ever made). The electric vehicle in question here looks like it is pretty areodynamical, so I don't doubt the top speed claim. You should also take note that the high speed and acceleration probably have a very dramatic effect on the range (since drawing high current causes the battery to dump more of its energy into heat). For the same reason stop and go traffic probably kills the range since lots of current will be drawn starting and stopping the vehicle.

      For use in the states I'ld be concerned that the time to charge wasn't listed, making it impractical for long distance travel (or stop and go traffic). Let's see some fuel cell cars that can be re-filled instead of re-charged (like a internal combustion car).

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    2. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 2
      The electric vehicle in question here looks like it is pretty areodynamical

      Aerodynamical? That must be an industry term.

    3. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by meeder · · Score: 1

      598,6 HP
      1kW is 1,36HP

    4. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by doorbot.com · · Score: 1

      For the same reason stop and go traffic probably kills the range since lots of current will be drawn starting and stopping the vehicle.

      I think we would all be very surprised if the decelerator (or perhaps, negative accelerator) didn't use some sort of regenerative braking.

    5. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember a vehicle from the 1930's in the Deutches (spelling) Museum in Munich that could do 70 miles an hour on a very low power engine (I seem to remeber about 50 hoursepower).

      A 50hp motorcycle can do around 110mph, can do a 13 second quarter mile, and can cruise at 70mph at about 50-60 miles per (UK) gallon.

    6. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      First off, anything that big in cross sectional area and weight would take a boatload of horsepower to move at close to 200mph, regardless of drag coefficient and that ugly ass thing isn't too aerodynamic. Secondly, did anyone download the video? I did and while the DRO says 300kph, they aren't going anywhere close to that from the looks of it. More like 50-70 mph. The claims made for this electric are a whole load of crap, I'd bet even money on it.

      Power to move a car goes up with the cube of velocity. Modern cars don't use more than around 10-20 HP to maintain 50-60 MPH on flat ground but to go near 200mph, you need around 600hp for a smaller, more aerodynamic car like a Corvette.

    7. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      you're not very bright, are you?

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    8. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by meeder · · Score: 1

      my car does a 100mph on 60bhp... 50bhp is not to be concidered a very low power engine...

    9. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      you have to remember that we're talking to AMERICANS here. When I lived in the USA we had a car called a Pontiac Gran Safari with a V8 motor of something like 6litres displacement. According to my dad it could manage about 150bhp and weighed a little over 2500KG.

      What Americans don't know about efficiency you could just about squeeze into the Grand Canyon.

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    10. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by hplasm · · Score: 1, Funny
      Pontiac Gran Safari

      Wow. Do they all hunt their ancestors in the USA? (picture huge car with extended huntin' shootin' chair....)

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    11. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aerodynamical is a word you retard... look it up

    12. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you talking about?

      There are craploads of low power American cars. My '86 Ford Escort only had like 60 HP...

    13. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      wasn't THAt one designed in Europe? (hint, yes it was)

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    14. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by LinuxHam · · Score: 2

      and yet you missed "mechanical transmittion"? :)

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    15. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by tzanger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Electric motors have very good low speed torque.

      Depends on the motor design, really. I'm assuming that a proper vector drive is spinning the shaft here -- a typical NEMA design A or B motor can pull about 12x nominal torque in this situation. The Marathon Blue and Black Max motors are significantly higher, having very (very!) peaky breakdown torque curves -- 25x nominal torque IIRC. Of course you're drawing significant current to get to these torque levels, as you stated.

      I thought that most EV designs regenerated when braking / going downhill to try and conserve some energy. It's not a perfect conversion but at least you're not just wasting it.

    16. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      Actually he is. Thats VERY much true he is talking about, you will need just about that much of horsepowers to get near 200mph with 'as aerodynamic' car as Corvette. Here is a little example, using mopeds this time ;) the weight of moped itself is ~45-50kg, driver is 70kg, you have 1.5HP you get around 45-60km/h depending of the ratiors, you have ~5-8hp you get to like 90-115km/h. And the ratio for needed HP's to get such a speed grows exponentially, also because of Aerodynamics, and this KAZ isn't very aerodynamic ... also looks like ####

    17. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by twinpot · · Score: 1

      It has been timed around the Nardo test track at 300Kmh in Italy. It's actually been around for a little while.

    18. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by jhantin · · Score: 1
      I remember a vehicle from the 1930's in the Deutches (spelling) Museum in Munich that could do 70 miles an hour on a very low power engine (I seem to remeber about 50 hoursepower).

      That would be the 1921 Rumpler Wagon. Very good aerodynamics even by current standards, even though it doesn't look all that sleek. Then again, it was designed by an aircraft engineer ...

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    19. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by smartalix · · Score: 1
      Zinc-air fuel cells like the ones made by Metallic Power are instantly refillable, eliminating recharge time.

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    20. Re:Nearly 1000 horsepower! by vivian · · Score: 1

      I had a Nissan Skyline GTR 33 V spec that could do 180 Mph with a 280 bhp engine - and 0 - 60 Mph in 4.8 seconds. (albeit I did have the thing with a speed delimiter to remove the voluntary speed limit Japanese cars come with as shipped that usually limits them to about 120 Mph) now that was a 2 door Coupe with plenty of room in the back for 2 passengers too - I have sat in the back & had loads of room, and I am 6ft 4 (193 cm) tall. The car has a 2560 cc engine with twin ceramic turbos and a torque splitter that delivers power to each of the four wheels independantly which with the traction control system means you are getting maximum power delivered to the road through teh 245/24/17 inch tyres. It weighs about 1500 kg. So you don't need 1000 bhp to reach those speeds at all.

  12. what do you mean not very practical? by ashkar · · Score: 5, Funny
    • Potential Uses
    • Prom
    • Groceries
    • Emergency Power Backup
    • Ho-Mobile (the chicks dig it and there's a big back seat)
    • Making all the NOPI kids cry when you beat them
    1. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

      Being on slashdot, how do you know what chicks like? You must read a lot or watch movies.

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    2. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I get e-mail every day telling me what girls like. They would like this vehicle, I think.

    3. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by Locutus · · Score: 2

      # Emergency Power Backup

      Don't laugh at this one. I put an inverter and 100' of extension chord in our Prius( gas/electric ) and used it during the energy crisis( Enron and Duke energy sucking out of CA ) of 2000/2001. Worked great but MPG wasn't so good. ;)

      When will we figure out a way to meld home power generation/use with transportation power generation/use? People complained that thin client computing was very bad because the network could go down but they are more than willing to have broken pipes, spoiled food, no heat/cooling, etc when the electric system fails them.... Interesting.

      LoB

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    4. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by xfpine · · Score: 1

      someone on spillway posted a mad plan for an electric car. It was apparently handed to him by a mysterious man years ago on the corner of 42nd and 5th ave in NYC. -XFP

    5. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

      I get those too. Maybe I should actually read them.

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    6. Re:what do you mean not very practical? by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 1

      Well I can tell you that using a prius to power your house is being worked on. Series hybrids are even better for this. Having a 100kw generator in the garage is very convenant.

      Home and Auto power generation was melded, it was called the electric car and house. Similar to the NG powered car and house combos.

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  14. Jeeze.. by radiashun · · Score: 1

    First I was impressed by the fact that it could go 180mph... but carry 8 passengers as well?! That's crazy (I wonder what speed it could reach w/ 8 people?)

    1. Re:Jeeze.. by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2

      On level ground, about the same speed... Unless the passengers stick their heads out of the windows. It will take longer to reach top speed, though. Tyre friction will increase due to the extra weight, unless you pump some more air in, but you don't want a blowout at 180mph! Having said that, this thing has 8 wheels so you might be OK...

    2. Re:Jeeze.. by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 2

      but carry 8 passengers as well?

      Just the thing to get the rugrats to soccer practice.

    3. Re:Jeeze.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see the headlines now...

      '8 people die on interstate X when they veer off the road at 180mph...'

      No, not an anonymous coward, just tired of the registration process at all these websites.

    4. Re:Jeeze.. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Actually, the interesting point of their design is that with four wheels per side, one of two tires could blow out and the car would still have two wheels left to keep control, after which I'd assume one would stop.

      Hm. Pneumatic tires are passe anyway. Solid tires exist, but are not widely sold, if at all.

  15. That is the godawfulest looking thing ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I mean, I'm sorry. Seriously. The specifications are interesting, it looks like a great tech advance. But did they have to make it look so silly? Even a 1978 Monte Carlo is better looking than this beast.

    1. Re:That is the godawfulest looking thing ever! by Proquar · · Score: 1

      You bet!! Where can I buy one!?

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    2. Re:That is the godawfulest looking thing ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ouf, i guess its so fast because it looks like those japanese super speed trains...

    3. Re:That is the godawfulest looking thing ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      form follows function? Since when have experimental vehicles went for the looks first, before testing the hardware? Anyone see a picture of Henry Ford's first car? What a beast!
      Seriously, though, I have to admit that the Volkswagen beetle was designed with looks in mind first, or they wouldn't have put the motor in the trunk!

  16. HOWARD STERN IS A GOOMBAH/KIKE ASSMONKEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  17. Those crazy Nips! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    They're always up to something neat!

  18. Batteries by jukal · · Score: 2
    - type: Lithium-Ion
    - Current capacity, Voltage: 88 Ah, 3.75V
    - Amount of energy/Voltage: 55 kWh / 315 V
    - Batteries weight 600 kg

    Aha! So now I know what the mobile phone manufacturers use as the reference when announcing the battery lifetime of these cool new 3G phones :)

    1. Re:Batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Blah. I know you meant is as a joke, but the mobile phones have quite good battery uptime, and 3G phones don't use up significantly more energy. The bigger color LCD screens do though. I have one. :)

    2. Re:Batteries by jukal · · Score: 2
      > 3G phones don't use up significantly more energy

      Yea, there is nothing in 3G that inheritantly sucks vast amounts of power. However, atleast these 2.5G phones seem to have a gazillion of bells and whistles configured "on" by default - and atleast the current code for these bells seems not very optimized. On certain devices for example, if you play a few minutes of polyphonic ringing tones, you can just hear how it sucks out the power. Imagine what happens when the CPU needs to process realtime multimedia.

  19. Well well well by drblunt · · Score: 1
    I'm actually amazed that you took so long to type out something that could have just as easily been stated with two simple words, one being a verb, and the other being a pronoun.
    With that said, you are obviously very bitter at Slashdot and it's members, as you are most probably Bill Gates. (Although one would hope that he would at least use the horrific spell-checker that MS built into Word before posting here. Yeesh. Grammar Grammar Grammar.)
    As for the above story, about Kaz, why in the world would you buy a "passenger vehicle" with 8 wheels, that, by the websites admission, has all the sensibilities of a bus and a truck.
    Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Well well well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spellchecker in Word, especially Word 2002, is top notch. Why do you think so many other office programs, *cough* OpenOffice *cough*, imitate it? Surely not because it sucks.

    2. Re:Well well well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly what in the above post is spelled wrong?

    3. Re:Well well well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life. But who would I want to do a thing like that?

      SICK BOY
      Goldfinger's better than Dr. No. Both of them are a lot better than Diamonds are Forever a judgement reflected in its relative poor showing at the box office, in which field, of course, Thunderball was a notable success.
      RENTON
      (v.o)
      People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that shite, which is not to be ignored, but what they forget -
      Spud is shooting up
      is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not fucking stupid. At least, we're not that fucking stupid. Take the best orgasm you ever had, multiply it by a thousand and you're still nowhere near it. When you're on junk you have only one worry: scoring. When you're off it you are suddenly obliged to worry about all sorts of other shite. Got no money: can't get pished. Got money: drinking too much. Can't get a bird: no chance of a ride. Got a bird: too much hassle. You have to worry about bills, about food, about some football team that never fucking winds, about human relationships and all the things that really don't matter when you've got a sincere and truthful junk habit.
      SICK BOY
      I would say, in those days, he was a muscular actor, in every sense, with all the presence of someone like Cooper or Lancaster, but combined with a sly wit to make him a formidable romantic lead, closer in that respect to Cary Grant.
      RENTON
      (v.o)
      The only drawback, or at least the principal drawback, is that you have to endure all manner of cunts telling you that -
      INT. PUB I. NIGHT
      Begbie, smoking and drinking, speaks to camera.
      BEGBIE
      No way would I poison my body with that shite, all they fucking chemicals, no fucking way.
      INT. PUB I. NIGHT
      Tommy sits beside Lizzy. He speaks to camera.
      TOMMY
      It's a waste of your life, Rents, poisoning your body with that shite.
      INT. RENTON FAMILY HOME, LIVING ROOM. NIGHT
      Renton's father and mother sit at the table eating.
      Renton is seated but not eating.
      FATHER
      Every chance you've ever had, you've blown it, stuffing your veins with that filth.
      --------
      INT. ELECTRICAL RETAILERS. DAY
      Gav wears the corporate jacket.
      GAV
      Get off that stuff, Rents and get a job. It's not as bad as it looks. While you're here, you don't fancy buying a cooker, do you?
      --------
      INT. SWANNEY'S FLAT. DAY
      Sick Boy and Spud lie drugged up. Allison and Baby wait while Swanney cooks up.
      Renton is standing up.
      RENTON
      (v.o)
      From time to time, even I have uttered the magic words.
      SWANNEY
      Are you serious?
      RENTON
      Yeah. No more. I'm finished with that shite.
      SWANNEY
      Well, it's up to you.
      RENTON
      I'm going to get it right this time. Going to get it set up and get off it for good.
      SWANNEY
      Sure, sure. I've heard it before.
      RENTON
      The Sick Boy method.
      They both look at Sick Boy
      SWANNEY
      Yeah, well, it surely worked for him.
      RENTON
      He's always been lacking in moral fibre.
      SWANNEY
      He knows a lot about Sean Connery.
      RENTON
      That's hardly a substitute.
      SWANNEY
      you'll need one more hit.
      RENTON
      No, I don't think so.
      SWANNEY
      To see you through the night that lies ahead.
      Freeze Frame on Swanney.

      RENTON
      (v.o)
      We called him the mother superior on account of the length of his habit. He knew all about it. On it, off it, he knew it all. Of course I'd have another shot: after all, I had work to do.
      INT. RENTON'S FLAT ROOM. DAY

      The door opens and Renton enters carrying shopping bags. He empties them on to a mattress beside three buckets and a television.

      RENTON
      (v.o)
      Relinquishing junk. Stage One: preparation. For this you will need: one room which you will not leave; one mattress; tomato soup, ten tins of; mushroom soup, eight tins of, for consumption cold; ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of; Magnesia, Milk of, one bottle; paracetamol; mouth wash; vitamins; mineral water; Lucozade; pornography; one bucket for urine, one for feces, and one for vomitus; one television; and one bottle of Valium, which I have already procured, from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way, also a drug addict.
      Renton swallows several Valium tablets. Voice-over continues.

      And now I'm ready. All I need is a final hit to soothe the pain while the Valium takes effect.
      --------

      INT. SWANNEY'S FLAT. DAY

      Swanney, Sick Boy, Spud and Allison and Baby all lie inert while the telephone rings.

      --------

      INT. CALL BOX. DAY

      Renton curses as he slams down the receiver. He dials again.

      RENTON
      Mikey. It's Mark Renton. Can you help me out?
      INT. MIKEY'S FLAT. DAY

      Renton holds two opium suppositories in the palm of his hand.

      RENTON
      (v.o)
      This was typical of Mikey Forrester.
      (on screen)
      What the fuck are these?
      (v.o)
      Under the normal run of things I would have had nothing to do with the cunt, but this was not the normal run of things.
      MIKEY
      Opium suppositories. Ideal for your purpose. Slow release, like. Bring you down gradually. Custom fucking designed for your needs.
      RENTON
      I want a fucking hit.
      MIKEY
      That's all I've got: take it or leave it.
      Renton sticks his hand down the back of his trousers and sticks the suppositories into his rectum.

      Feel better now?
      RENTON
      For all the good they've done me I might as well have stuck them up my arse.
      He smiles.

  20. Not only cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    That car is not only cool, it is butt ugly too.

    1. Re:Not only cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What else would you expect from people who masturbate to tentacle rape pr0n?

    2. Re:Not only cool by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      a Slashdot account?

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  21. sign me up. by whatisthatvelvet · · Score: 1
    Aren't we supposed to have personal hover cars by now (The Jetsons, anyone?).

    But if you are gonna make me, I'll take one of these - once pricing gets a bit reasonable. In the meantime, please let me get some sleep.

    1. Re:sign me up. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      Yeah damn it, this it the twenty-first century now! It's been the twenty-first century for *three years*!. Where's my flying car, you swinish motor manufacturers?

  22. Umm..... right. by NeuroKoan · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I was going to make some insightful comments about continual growth of electric cars lately, this 'product' is just plain laughable.

    In my opinion, something that is more important to the future of electric cars (and a testament to their potential) is the Toyota Prius Rally Car. It recently just finished a 5,000 mile 3 week rally. Didn't finish first, but finished (which, as any rally fan will tell you is a challenge in-and-of itself). At least Toyota's accomplishments are tangible.

    And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

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    1. Re:Umm..... right. by forged · · Score: 2
      And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

      The 8 x 73HP motors, for instance! That makes 55 kw (73 PS) x 8 power, and 100 Nm x 8 (72.33 lb/ft x 8) between 0-5500 rpm of torque......

    2. Re:Umm..... right. by Buttercup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

      To begin with, as the page explains, it means no dive or squat during braking or acceleration. It also means smooth cornering. It means, as your other respondent mentions, 8 motors with power evenly distributed to each wheel. It means that the car can lose wheels and continue to operate normally. It means the vehicle prototype can be adapted into limousines, trucks, buses, and other large vehicles.

      Basically, it's completely kickass, and you call it "laughable" because it's not what you're used to. Good job, man.

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    3. Re:Umm..... right. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      How can you compare a fully electric car to a hybrid? I wouldn't compare the Honda Insight to this Kawasaki either even though it's part wimpy gasoline engine and part electric.

    4. Re:Umm..... right. by Kyzia · · Score: 1
      It means that the car can lose wheels and continue to operate normally.

      You think this is a benefit?? Is this car intended for deep space use far from garages or tyre shops?
      Back in my day, we used to carry a spare in the trunk.

    5. Re:Umm..... right. by BaronVonDuvet · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's true that this sort of electric car is really a concept car. Eventually something like it may appear on everyday roads but not for years.

      Something like the Prius is showing a possible future. It's not selling that well as yet (relative to normal cars) but is at least quite practical.

      What is needed are electric cars which can function almost as well as a normal car (in terms of range and speed). Until recently most alternative fuel cars had maximum speeds of about 40 mph and a range of about 50 miles before needing an hours charge. Unless cars like these are available very cheaply then how many people will buy them?

      Something like the Prius has the best of both electric and petrol cars and represents the present and near future. This huge supercar thing represents, at best, something vaguely from the distant future.

    6. Re:Umm..... right. by Buttercup · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it's a benefit. If you stop and think, I'm sure you can work out one or two reasons why.

      Oh, hell, I'll give you some answers. One, if you live in the Third World you may be subject to violence on the streets (South Africa comes to mind). Two, if you are a police department, your vehicles may be subject to heavy punishment at times (riots and high-speed chases come to mind). Three, if you are a taxi or bus service you cannot afford costly breakdown times. Four, it may be desirable for many reasons to have broken wheels serviced professionally, in which case the car can be driven to a service center and user-replaceable parts can be kept to a minimum.

      Just some reasons off the top of my head.

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    7. Re:Umm..... right. by AGMW · · Score: 2, Funny
      Electric cars have enourmous torque from zero revs, and most have to use clever electronics to prevent over enthusiastic drivers from lighting up the tires when they stomp on the go pedal. ... and this baby is large and heavy! I bet they thought "must have 4wd", then thought "outside the box" [picture fingers outlining box shape in air] - hey 6WD!

      OH YER!

      If that mother can put down 1000HP through 6 wheels, I bet it takes off like a scalded cat!

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    8. Re:Umm..... right. by AGMW · · Score: 1
      [picture fingers outlining box shape in air] - hey 8WD!

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    9. Re:Umm..... right. by legoleg · · Score: 1

      Until recently most alternative fuel cars had maximum speeds of about 40 mph and a range of about 50 miles before needing an hours charge.

      Diesel might be a step thats not too alternative for people. VW's TDIs are great engines that should be considered more than they are. 150 lb/ft torque, 45-50mpg, 750 mi range... and they are fairly affordable for what you get. If only the US would get some cleaner fuel into this country.

    10. Re:Umm..... right. by MouseR · · Score: 2

      And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

      That's for keeping a good relationship with the petroleum countries.

      Look, if you wont be spending as much on gaz, you got to spend that oil somewhere else. And that, my friend, is TIRES!

      Imagine the amount of frictions those back wheels are gonna have eh?

      But this car is also about money. If we're not going to spend as much money destroying the planet with gasoline, we might as well do it with a TRUCK LOAD of batteries!

      And we might as well spend all our remaining money repairing dang expensive motor wheels for every frickin potholes we'll be ramming into, at 180MPH!

      Coz that, my friend, is the green way. GO! Environmental-friendly cars! A new era is beginning.

      (And for those moderators out there, this is called sarcasm.)

    11. Re:Umm..... right. by BaronVonDuvet · · Score: 1
      Certainly in Europe diesel is a lot more popular. That's probably a lot to do with the price of North American unleaded being very low. Current UK price of unleaded is around 74.9p a litre where I live (which I think is about US $4.50 a gallon). Diesel costs more and you get more miles per gallon.

      There is some debate about the cleaness of diesel though. In the UK there is the suggestion that diesel has a worse effect (mainly of children's lungs). The government keeps the diesel prices high to discourage private motorists from wanting diesels. However they are reluctant to say diesel is bad because 99.9% of transport lorries, busses, taxis, etc. are diesel. There is reportedly a link between an increase in children with asthma and an increase in the use of diesel. There's a bit about it on the following sites.

      http://www.doh.gov.uk/airpollution/airpol2.htm

      http://www.eta.co.uk/tr/pj/polution/roadpol.htm

      Sorry if that sounded a bit 'conspiracy theory'. I think your opinion depends on what reviews and reports you read.

    12. Re:Umm..... right. by Blkdeath · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You think this is a benefit?? Is this car intended for deep space use far from garages or tyre shops?
      Back in my day, we used to carry a spare in the trunk.
      I'm not sure where you live, but if it's anywhere near a big city I'm sure you have a freeway, and if it's really close to a big city, your freeway probably has an express section, likely separated from the remainder of the road by concrete barriers. Typically the express lanes of the 401 travel at speeds in excess of 160KPH. Blowing out a tire in one of these lanes is a Very Bad Thing, especially if you happen to be in the middle lane. Getting off to a shoulder is a laudable goal and all, but even that can be one of the most harrowing and dangerous experiences of a motorist's day. When quarter tonne vehicles are travelling past you at that rate of speed ...

      Long story short, sometimes you're not 'just around the corner' from a gas station so I would certainly see the extra wheels as a benefeit.

      Moreover, the car demonstrated in the picture is actually a limosine (I happened to catch a Discovery special on this car last a few nights ago), hence the claim to 'seat 8'. The interior has a typical limo-style seating arrangement, with bench seats running around the outside of the vehicle (looked very spacious and comfortable, I might add). These are apparently a big hit in Japan, where I suppose the 25 million Yen (~$600k USD) pricetag isn't quite so daunting.

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    13. Re:Umm..... right. by Porsche_Pilot · · Score: 1

      Yeah but check out this one. A Porsche 550 Spyder replica that can be fitted with almost as much power. Also it is lighter and corners much better. for around $40 grand I would take one if I had the money. It would make for a great autocross/Drivers Ed. car.

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    14. Re:Umm..... right. by corey_lawson · · Score: 1

      ...it also means more complicated steering. A car that can concievably go ~180MPH (if only for a second or two) should also have to corner well.

      The 8 tires will probably help with braking, but how with cornering? You now have 8 slip angles to manage, not 4.

      8 tires also implies 2x rolling resistance, even if some of the wheels are "freewheeling" at cruise.

      It also means 2x suspension pieces to keep working and working together.

      Tyrell in the 70's tried a Formula 1 car with 4 small front wheels, instead of 2. While it looked cool, I don't think it really worked as well as hoped, and was abandoned. Rule changes probably ensued also to keep it from being done again.

      Brake dive/squat is a function of suspension design, weight distribution and torque transfer. If that is the concern, then a well-designed 4x4/AWD car will have an advantage over an 8x8 because it has 4 fewer wheels, unless they happen to be slogging through a mud pit.

      Not to say 8x8 is a bad design (for mobile cranes and military equipment), but it's probably sub-optimal for a car.

      I think they probably did the 8x8 to help spread the weight of the batteries over more wheels more than anything.

    15. Re:Umm..... right. by KevetS · · Score: 1

      And for all you VW fans out there: That Prius hybrid rally car may have participated and finished the rally race... But look who won(note: the author realizes that these cars may not have raced in the same rally, not to detract from the point).

      "Golf TDI Wins SCCA ProRally Championship" (production class... straight from the showroom floor plus the required modifications to participate in the SCCA ProRally) For those of you who may not know, this is the first diesel engine ever to win the SCCA ProRally production class. This special TDI ran on new biodiesel fuel that is made from regular diesel and renewable diesel fuel distilled from soybeans (Motorsportvorex.com).

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    16. Re:Umm..... right. by linuxelf · · Score: 1

      I've seen so many people driving around with those little do-nut spares on their cars, I'd pretty much bet that if cars were designed to be able to continue driving with the loss of a wheel, we'd be seeing lots of cars driving a few wheels short.

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    17. Re:Umm..... right. by KevetS · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:Umm..... right. by KernelHappy · · Score: 2

      One, if I lived in a third world country I doubt I could afford the "kaz".

      Two, if I was a police or military officer I wouldn't want a vehicle with limited range that takes a hour (very very optimistic here) to fill up.

      Three, if I was a person waiting for a bus if one pulled up with a wheel missing I might just wait for the next one any way.

      Four, this one I'll give ya. If my wheel just fell off I'd probably want someone to give the drive assembly a look and inspect the other 7 wheels to see if they are in danger too. Then again I thought this is why people open towing companies...

      If I had to venture a guess, the 8 wheels are necessary to support the gross weight (yes pun intended) of the vehicle at planned high speeds. Look at the new Mercedes SL55. After "removing" the speed limiter the car is claimed to have a 186mph top speed compared to the factory 155. According to the literature and automotive press the car is actually capable of 200+ mph but tires do not exist to carry it's 4,235lbs curb weight.

      All said and done, aside from sounding like something from chi-town (Da bears) da KAZ is pretting interesting. I still think it'll be more interesting once people get to hotrod their own electric cars (2, 3, 4, 8, 16 wheel, battery or fuel cell). I can already picture garage gearheads hand winding motors and polishing drivetrain components.

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    19. Re:Umm..... right. by Locutus · · Score: 2

      It's not selling that well as yet (relative to normal cars) but is at least quite practical.



      Well, we had to wait 3 months for ours and our friends waited 5 months. In it's first 6 months in the US it sold 2x more than Honda Insight did over 12 months. They've throttled production but that's about to change. I've heard that Toyota has something like 4 hybrids instore for sale next year. Even with throttled production, they sold 100,000 cars as of last August 02'. Essentially, 2 years of worldwide( US/Canada ) sales.



      About Toyota Prius

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    20. Re:Umm..... right. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      One, if you live in the Third World you may be subject to violence on the streets (South Africa comes to mind).

      If you live in a third world country where you're subject to violence on the streets, and you can afford this car, you'd be an idiot not to move the hell out!

      There's a reason people are emigrating to the first world coutries, and not to the third world ones.

    21. Re:Umm..... right. by Buttercup · · Score: 1

      Slip angles have nothing to do with it. Control and traction through the corner will be carried by all eight wheels, with two additional steering surfaces in the center of the wheelbase.

      Rolling resistance is not my engineering problem. I doubt it significantly alters overall performance. Incidentally, 2x wheels means 2x axles on which to recharge batteries on downhill slopes.

      Only 1.5x suspension pieces because there's only one extra major axle. And anyway, you're stretching it. The real implication is a far smoother and better-managed suspension. You have an extra axle on which to balance the weight and roll of the vehicle.

      Incidentally, the extra suspension pieces further reduce dive/squat. The suspension geometry of this vehicle -- according to the page -- completely eliminates dive/squat.

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    22. Re:Umm..... right. by random_static · · Score: 1
      And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

      one of the pages had concept drawings showing a "club" interior - side mounted sofa, chairs at each end of that mounted facing inwards, like a miniature conference room on wheels. IIRC it even showed a miniature table up against the opposite wall from that sofa.

      no, it didn't show how you were supposed to get in and out, unfortunately, nor did it show how the seatbelts would work in that setup. still, that drawing made me suspect somebody was thinking luxury limo market. and hey, if eight wheels still seems a bit excessive for a limo, you can always stretch it further...

    23. Re:Umm..... right. by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

      d seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?

      Bear in mind that this vehicle is about the length of a limousine, not a car or SUV.
      8 wheels increase traction greatly. This allows greater delivery of power to accelerate even if each motor is providing less power. It also ensures that the maximum amount of energy is returned to the batteries when stopping rather than having to use mechanical brakes.
      If you read the website deeper, you will also notice that each wheel is independently, hydraulically controlled, so that if a wheel goes flat, or breaks down, it can be retracted so that the vehicle can continue to run.
      I imagine that if the rolling friction was too great, they could retract the inside wheels while driving for long stretches at highway speeds.
      Lastly, 8 powered, steerable wheels make for a smooth ride that corners really well.

    24. Re:Umm..... right. by Quasiben · · Score: 1

      Hmm, so I thought we were talking about electric cars. What does a dual-overhead-cam rally car have to do with anything. Why is this product laughable? An electric car that seats 8 and can travel at 180mph is clearly a step in the right direction for knocking those fat cat oil mongers off their thrones.

    25. Re:Umm..... right. by stor · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't automatically slowing down wheels while turning help here? I'd expect that could be quite effective with the electric design 8)

      Cheers
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    26. Re:Umm..... right. by geoswan · · Score: 2
      near a big city ... your freeway probably has an express section, likely separated from the remainder of the road by concrete barriers. Typically the express lanes of the 401 travel at speeds in excess of 160KPH. Blowing out a tire in one of these lanes is a Very Bad Thing, especially if you happen to be in the middle lane. Getting off to a shoulder is a laudable goal and all, but even that can be one of the most harrowing and dangerous experiences of a motorist's day. When quarter tonne vehicles are travelling past you at that rate of speed ...

      My city, Toronto, has a highway 401. My experience is that the typical speed in the express lanes is around 120 kph. I don't believe I have ever seen anyone ever drive at 160 kph, in the city. Early AM? Maybe. And I have seen people do 160 kph on the inter-city portions however.

      The speed limit on expressways here is 100 kph. That is something like 62 mph for you Americans.

      Only a madman would drive 160 kph, in the city. Here is a picture I just snapped from the traffic camera, at one of the wider spots. The ministry of Transport says it is a minimum of 12 lanes.

      What does this have to do with the electric car? I'd rather have my tax dollars make sure we had an energy efficient mass transit system, than enhancing the highway infrastructure.

      And, on another point, Longitudinal bench seats seem less safe for passengers, in a crash. Maybe that is why you need a professional limousine driver?

    27. Re:Umm..... right. by vivian · · Score: 1

      Actually I doubt that if the car were to have a tyre blow that it could still be driven safely for very far. Semi trailers have been known to catch fire after a tyre blowout. One particular incident comes to mind that occured in Australia at a transport company I was working at - a semi was on a long hill (about 1/2 mile if I recall) and had one of the two pairs of rear tyres blow. Since it was on a hill it had to keep going to get to the top, as it wouldn't have been possible to change the tyre on the hill. However, the shredded tyre built up so much heat from rubbing against the road, chassis or other tyre of the vehicle that it caught fire and the whole trailer went up. Fortunately the driver was able to get the prime mover detatched so it wasn't a total writeoff - but this is what can happen when continuing to drive on a blown tyre.

  23. checked out the pics... by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Parallel parking that thing is gonna be a bitch. :)

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    1. Re:checked out the pics... by AGMW · · Score: 5, Funny
      Just ask yer husband to park it for you.

      :-)

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    2. Re:checked out the pics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they add radar/laser/ultrasound and computer control it could park itself.

    3. Re:checked out the pics... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Big Foot (the monster truck) with a flick of a switch - you could parallel park that sucker maybe with an extra 3 or less feet of the total car length and in 1/2 the time. Just pull up parallel to the spot - turn all wheels together in and "crab" in sideways. More than likly faster than you could do with a regular car and only 3 extra feet of space.

  24. Pictures of the Car by Grip3n · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it's not in the KAZ article itself, pictures of the car are available here:

    http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~hiros/kaz/pict.html

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    1. Re:Pictures of the Car by bernardos70 · · Score: 1

      It's not fast enough to outrun being slashdotted:(

    2. Re:Pictures of the Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, this car isnt real those pics are photoshop jobs. Load that last pic up in gimp amd see the license plate.. Chuckle.. heh

  25. Electric Car that goes 200mph+ by bjschrock · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Spirit of Oklahoma electric car can go over 200mph. Granted, it's a formula race car built for speed and definitely can't carry 8 passengers, but it is faster...
    Here are it's specs.

    1. Re:Electric Car that goes 200mph+ by hatchet · · Score: 1

      Thrust SCC II can go 760mph(whatever mph means). Granted, it's jet powered car built for speed and definitely can't carry 8 passengers, but it's faster...
      here are is the pic

      Point is.. it doesn't matter how fast it goes if you can't drive it that fast on normal roads. Except on german autobahns:D You can see freaks who drive at 280km/h there.

    2. Re:Electric Car that goes 200mph+ by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I must admit to finding it quite disturbing to be tooling down the autobahn at around 210km/h and have some teutonic lunatic flash past in some kind of modified 911 at what must have been 300km/h. The shockwave alone scared the shit out of me. In England, you very rarely get people going muchfaster than 200km/h on the motorway, although I did take my RX-7 up the M40 once at a little over 250Km/h...

      Mind you, the shockwave you get from two TGV Atlantiques or two Eurostars going head to head is quite something too! It's enough to spill your coffee!

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    3. Re:Electric Car that goes 200mph+ by twinpot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, been there, one that - 240kmh between Holland and Cologne, and I got passed as if I was standing still. The exhaust pipes on that 911 looked like giant sewer pipes!!

      The TGVs are good too ;-)

  26. 180 mph motorhome... by radiashun · · Score: 2, Informative

    check out the 3rd or 4th picture on this page. add a TV, ps2, and a mini-fridge and it's a quick, comfy miami to seattle trip :-)

    1. Re:180 mph motorhome... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid the range is only listed as 300Km. So Miami to DisneyWorld would be closer.

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    2. Re:180 mph motorhome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many road trips have you been on that you never had to refill on? jack-ass...

      I do think that you may want to plug in and use some of that coal burning electricity or maybe a solar panel

    3. Re:180 mph motorhome... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      oh I see! you just pour in a new tank full of electricity! how silly of me not to think of that!

      stupid fucking dick

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  27. I wonder... by obii · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. How can 75PS make a car drive 311 km/h? (Specially with a weight of roundabout 3 tons)
    2. How far will the car go when driving max speed of 311 km/h? (Does this mean driving 20 Minutes, and then the batteries are empty?)

    1. Re:I wonder... by obii · · Score: 1

      Oops. thats 73PS x 8... That's enough for the speed me thinks ;)

    2. Re:I wonder... by homb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To answer your first comment:
      How can 75PS make a car drive 311 km/h? (Specially with a weight of roundabout 3 tons)

      Notice that they have one integrated "in-wheel" motor per wheel. Each motor achieves 73 PS. And there are 8 wheels, so that's 73*8 = 584 PS
      If you combine those 584 horses with the extremely aerodynamic look of the car (close to teardrop shaped), the top speed of 311 km/h would not surprise me. Once you get those 3 tons moving, most of the work is to combat friction.

      For question 2 regarding the range when driving at max speed, we can only speculate. My guess is that if it can do 300km at a constant 100km/h, then at 311 km/h you probably can't do much more than 60-80kms. Which means that you'll rip through those in about 15 minutes. :-)
      But the question is: while we can wonder who can manage a constant 311 km/h for 15 minutes on asphalt, what is the acceleration cost for stop-and-go traffic which is much more common these days?

    3. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you weren't using any other devices like air conditioning/heating (dont know which but hopefully it has heat), radio, etc... The car would for the most part, be off if it wasn't moving. So if you in one of those traffic jams were you're stopped more than you're going, the car would mostly be off.

  28. Three little words: by rschwa · · Score: 1


    Six Wheel Drive!

    1. Re:Three little words: by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      Eight.

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    2. Re:Three little words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't get the Monster's Inc. reference...

    3. Re:Three little words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      AND the seats are adjustable!

  29. Woah... by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Running Performance 14.5 sec. (0-400m)
    A quarter mile in only 14.5 seconds? Or am I reading that wrong?

    Max Speed 311.67 km/h
    Top speed, 193 MPH

    Gross weight 2980 kg
    Gross weight, 6,569 pounds!!!!! WHAT! That's 3 tons!

    There's gas powered cars that weigh 1/4th that, have 15 second quarter miles (400km), and a top speed of 150 MPH (241 km/h). Is this some kind of cruel joke? Can't they put that engine and battery into a smaller frame and get an electric car good enough to compete in an actual race? That thing looks like a long minivan... If there was a cheaper version, with a MUCH better shape, I'm sure alot of people would buy it.

    1. Re:Woah... by Hellasboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A good reason to why they chose this size for it is because the number of batteries this car needs are enormous. Sure, you can put it in an elise (probably not, but just work with me) but you'll have enough charge to get up to 30mph before it dies. A Rolls Royce weighs about the same.

      How many 8 passenger cars do you see doing the quarter in 14.5 seconds?

      but that shape sure is damn ugly

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    2. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you see it has to be that large to house the power station used to move all those freaking wheels.

      it may be an electric engine, but what you don't see is the coal chute hidden on the other side.

      wonder where the stacks are hidden.

    3. Re:Woah... by 1029 · · Score: 1

      Ok, I call you. What car are you speaking of that weighs only 1625 lbs, and runs a shitty ass 15 sec 1/4 mile yet can go 150 mph? About the only cars I know of that can hit 150+ (American anyhow) are F-bodies and Corvettes (Vipers, but they sure as hell do better than a 15 sec 1/4 mile). Those F-bodies weigh 3000 flat (manual transmission), and are gonna run a 13 sec 1/4 mile stock. Corvettes, well, even better my friend. Prove me wrong.

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    4. Re:Woah... by idletask · · Score: 1

      Not only that but its autonomly is outright ridiculous: 300 km (aka ~180 miles), provided that you maintain a constant 100kph (~ 60 mph) ?

      Gee, electric cars are far from beatin ICE cars anytime soon, it seems. I can do 500 miles @75mph with my 330d (yes, it "only" does 15'4 at the quarter mile and seats 4, but still).

    5. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of these are under 1625 lbs, that was an exageration but they all weigh less than half that electric car.

      Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, 160 MPH Top Speed, ~15 sec 1/4 mile

      Dodge Stealth, 155 MPH Top Speed, ~14 sec 1/4 mile

      Nissan 300ZX, 155 MPH Top Speed, ~15 sec 1/4 mile

      The reason a Viper or Corvette can do a quick 1/4 mile, stock, is because they have alot of torque and hp at a lower RPM than most imports. The imports can do a higher top speed than most domestics because their torque and hp is at a higher RPM so they go faster and get more power when they travel longer distances. So domestics are more like drag racers, meant to drive short distances at high speeds, and an import is more like a stock car, meant to drive long distances at high speeds

    6. Re:Woah... by Martigan80 · · Score: 1
      That thing looks like a long minivan

      And where do you think this thing was made? America with it's big open roads? No. It was made in a country where there is not enough space for the cars today, so why not make a mini-van or something that saves on gas and space.

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    7. Re:Woah... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
      Gross weight 2980 kg
      Gross weight, 6,569 pounds!!!!! WHAT! That's 3 tons!

      You had to convert kilograms into pounds to figure out how many tons it weighed? Here's a hint: 1 ton is 1,000 kilogram. It's a lot faster to calculate that way.
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    8. Re:Woah... by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      Actually, 1000kg is 1 tonne, which is not the same as 1 ton.

      The difference between the two is only a few pounds, but, if you're going to be picky, then do it right.

    9. Re:Woah... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      My '99 Caddilac STS can sure as hell hit 150, I've done it many times between here and NYC.

      And the engine isn't to the limit. Put a better suspension on that thing and who knows.

      Of course, I have very good tires on the thing, and although the stock STS tires are decent, I wouldn't recommend 150Mph.

      Many cars with a halfway decent motor can hit 150 no problem. Just make sure you have good tires.

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    10. Re:Woah... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Saves on space? This vehicle is longer than many limos.

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    11. Re:Woah... by MADCOWbeserk · · Score: 5, Funny

      My '99 Caddilac STS can sure as hell hit 150, I've done it many times between here and NYC.

      Can I mod this guy as Fucking Nuts...

    12. Re:Woah... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Well, I wasn't going that fast around corners or anything.. and I would drive at hours when there would be nobody on the roads.

      The STS is a really quick car though, too bad there's a new problem with them every 2,000 miles and the dealerships never seem to find any problems, even though the damned dashboard display is telling you "Oil Pressure Low."

      I'd love to say I'd buy another one, I mean, I love the car, but there's too many problems that I can't get fixed. You know, the intermittent "Only when 5 miles away from the dealership" problems.

      Sorry for the even more off topic stuff.

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    13. Re:Woah... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      diesel particulates are fucking up the planet

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    14. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and so will all the coal you'll need to burn to charge up your car in the morning

    15. Re:Woah... by silverhalide · · Score: 2

      You just nailed the major reason that we're all not driving electric cars right now on the head: Batteries. As soon as a high-enough, affordable, and long-lasting battery is developed, gas cars might actually have some competition. But as long as a decent battery pack weighs 2000 lbs by itself, lasts two years, and costs $50,000 (a typical hi-performance NiMH pack), then we're not going to be seeing consumer electric cars anytime soon.

      Be nice to your Chemical Engineer friends, they are the ones that will eventually solve the problem.

    16. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out what rich people are buying today, and tell then us there's no market for the kaz:

      http://www.rolls-royceandbentley.co.uk/bentley/i nd ex.htm

      These are BIG, HEAVY cars, and they are FAST.

    17. Re:Woah... by Zakabog · · Score: 2

      Actually no I didn't have to, it was for the people who don't know the metric system I was trying to help them understand, obviously I do know it if I was able to convert kg into pounds... Besides by your rule the car only weighs 2.9 tons, when it really weighs 3.25 tons.

    18. Re:Woah... by Ioldanach · · Score: 2
      You had to convert kilograms into pounds to figure out how many tons it weighed? Here's a hint: 1 ton is 1,000 kilogram. It's a lot faster to calculate that way.

      In the US, one ton is 2000 lb (also called a short ton). One Metric ton is 1000 kg (also called a long ton, at 2204.6 lb). In the US, when you ask for one ton of material and don't specify long or short, the short ton is common usage and typically assumed.

    19. Re:Woah... by Ioldanach · · Score: 2
      You just nailed the major reason that we're all not driving electric cars right now on the head: Batteries.

      Personally, I'd have to argue semantics here. The reason we're not driving electric cars right now is "storage". This problem can be solved with batteries, flywheels, pure hydrogen fuel cells, etc...

      Fuel cells are on the way, and will probably be the ideal solution. The fuel cell will either run on pre-separated hydrogen, much like a battery stores pre-generated power, or it will run off enhanced liquid fuels. In the first form, it will be called a zero emmissions vehicle, the emmissions having been generated at a power plant somewhere else at an earlier time in a more controlled environment. The second form will be a low-emmissions form, but if proper fuels are chosen the emmissions should be negligible. For example, filling it with biodiesel (i.e., reformulated corn oil) should result in incredibly low emmissions.

      The other advantage to fuel cells is size. The fuel cell system would probably use several large capacitors and batteries for short term boost accelleration, but overall the system would be much smaller and lighter than a comparable battery system.

    20. Re:Woah... by corey_lawson · · Score: 1

      one metric ton (1000 Kg) = 2200 lbs or so.

    21. Re:Woah... by phatStrat · · Score: 1

      Umm... gross weight refers to the maximum weight capacity specified by the manufacturer. The day-to-day weight is probably a fifteen hundred pounds less; even so, I'd like to see a Suburban do 14.5 quarters.

    22. Re:Woah... by Bryan+K.+Feir · · Score: 1

      One Metric ton is 1000 kg (also called a long ton, at 2204.6 lb).

      No, a 'long ton' is not the same as a metric tonne. A long ton is 2240 pounds, equal to twenty 'long hundredweight' in the avoirdupois measurement system. The avoirdupois is what the U.S. normally uses, with the standard 'ounce' being the avoirdupois ounce instead of the troy ounce. Take a look at http://www.m-w.com/mw/table/weight.htm for more detail.

      -- Bryan Feir

    23. Re:Woah... by Ioldanach · · Score: 2
      No, a 'long ton' is not the same as a metric tonne.

      My error, I'd made the mistake of trusting the terminology on a result from google... :)

      So, then, there are in fact three tonnages, the short ton, which we tend to use, the long ton, which is somewhat irrelevant here, and the metric ton, which the poster I replied to was using.

    24. Re:Woah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give it 20 years. The shape of today's car's looked damn ugly 20-40 years ago too. They'll slowly foist the designs on you until you get used to it, then, BAM, you'll wake up one day with a car that looks worse.

    25. Re:Woah... by sean23007 · · Score: 2

      and I would drive at hours when there would be nobody on the roads.

      Oh, you mean when it's dark? Yup, +1 Fucking Nuts.

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    26. Re:Woah... by idletask · · Score: 1

      Hmm... OK, let's get all this stuff straight, please.

      Do you at least know what Diesel particulates are? Here it is: they are the result of ignition of a fuel/air mix that is too rich, and are increased with the sulfur ratio in Diesel fuel. OTOH NOx are emitted by a fuel/air mix that is too poor.

      BUT - particles are not fucking up the planet at any rate. Only have they been proved to provoke cancer when reaching such a level as would be achieved only by 1000+ modern Diesel cars (and when I mean modern, I mean modern EU Diesel cars, not the Diesel engines you have in the US, and also please remember that the sulfur ratio in EU is 10+ times lower in Diesel fuel than what you get over the pond) in a closed space. NOx I don't really know the impact of, so I won't mention them.

      The main gas pointed to by car opponents as a "planet fucker" is CO2. "Good" news, CO2 rejection for modern/EU Diesel engines are far lower than that of current gas engines. Reason: they consume far less for an equal amount of work.

      And if you really care about these particulates, here are the good news: Peugeot has equipped its Diesel engines with particulate filters (which reduces particulate emissions by 90%, according to German ADAC and UBA) for two years now, and Fiat, in partnership with Opel (both owned partially/completely by... General Motors), have developped a Common Rail setup which achieve the same goal without the need for such a filter and also reduces NOx at the same time, so as to obey Euro 4 norms as is. Let me repeat this: WITHOUT A PARTICULATE (aka soot) FILTER. Also remember that NOx emissions are fairly reduced by the simple adoption of an EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) setup, which is pretty much standard nowadays on modern/EU Diesel engines.

      In short, soot emissions and NOx emissions, in a few years from now, will be a no-problem for Diesel engines. And all this with a much better power-to-weight ratio and autonomy than a comparable electric/fuel cell setup.

      And I don't even speak about biodiesels.

  30. Screw cool. by blair1q · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How far will it go on $15 and 2 minutes per week of refueling labor?

    1. Re:Screw cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 minutes? Are you pretending to be a member of a race crew when you refill?

      With a hybrid you could probably go 2 weeks on the same $15.

    2. Re:Screw cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a hybrid you could probably go 2 weeks on the same $15.

      And as an added bonus, you (the O.P.) wouldn't be giving nearly as much blood money to the terrorists. The environment wins out, and fewer people have to be killed by the Saudis and other oil-funded terrorists in the future: everybody wins! Except the people that got George Bush "elected."

    3. Re:Screw cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How far will a Ferrari go on $15 and 2 minutes per week of refueling labor? I thought so.

  31. Sorry, but... by Snarfvs+Maximvs · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that's a really fast electric *RV*. Not an electric car. THIS is a really fast electric *CAR*:

    http://www.acpropulsion.com/tzero_pages/tzero_ho me .htm

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    1. Re:Sorry, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it that none of you have seen a little car being developed here in Spokane, WA - the Tango. Uses off-the-shelf batteries and

      Range: 80 miles

      Cost per Mile: About 1/2 the cost of a gasoline car for the average commuter.

      Acceleration: 0 to 60 MPH, under 4 seconds. 1/4 mile time under 12 seconds at a speed of approx. 120 MPH

      Top Speed: 124 MPH

      Using different gear ratios can up the top speed to 160, but would make it difficult to get traction at lower speeds.

      This car is for real. There are videos on the web site showing how stable it is and how well it corners. The only drawback seems to be its price, which is about the same as a Dodge Viper - $80k.

      I'd like one, but my commute is 50 miles round trip (Hayden Lake, ID to Liberty Lake, WA), and the battery life would not be so good for that much deep-cycling. They recommend an average of about 20 miles between charges, which is about the average of most commuters in the states.

  32. Thats nice...... by mdechene · · Score: 1

    I'm sick of all these battery cars. When are we going to see a Nuclear Car? What's that? Fuel's too expensive? Bah, I'm sure the price will come down once they get mass-produced. No where to store the waste? What about Yucca? (Or the moon! Our large waste disposal site in the sky). Those are the only downsides to this limitless energy source that I see! Enough with these battery powered cars, it's time for the nuclear ones!

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    1. Re:Thats nice...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet a Nuclear car would leave a battery car in the dust, and I know a perfect spot to store all the Nuclear Waste just dump it in Iraq.

    2. Re:Thats nice...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what happens if one of those nuclear cars crashes in the center of the city? Sure, you can call the fire patrol and they will cool down the damaged reactor with water...

    3. Re:Thats nice...... by radzhome · · Score: 1

      electricity can be generated, there is no real ways to renew fossil fuels is there?
      And about storing wastes on the moon! If that was even possible, its way too expensive. Many say that no man has gone to the moon even until now, that all those missions were shot in a studio somewhere in the states. Think about it, why wouldn't they go to the moon now? they stopped in the 70's. So your idea, i think is redicilous.

    4. Re:Thats nice...... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You give me your patent on how to get stuff to the moon for less than $10/lb, and I'll buy you all the nuclear cars you can drive (at once).

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    5. Re:Thats nice...... by mdechene · · Score: 1

      You know, it was a joke. Maybe if something sounds ridiculous, it's cause it was supposed to be.

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    6. Re:Thats nice...... by mdechene · · Score: 1

      I'm not gonna sell that patent, it's gonna make me big money soon! By the way, can I patent "Method for moving items to the moon for less than $10 per pound", or do I have to expand upon this further? This is my one big idea out of life, I don't want to mess it up!

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  33. Cord by tiktok · · Score: 0

    I was considering buying an electric car, but I couldn't find an extension cord long enough for it to be practical.

    1. Re:Cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
      That is SO funny!!!
      And SO original!
      It's not as if that same lame joke is repeated EVERY SINGLE F**KING TIME an article on eletric cars appears here.

  34. Re:Pictures of the Car anal cocks tsarkon ANAL COK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Raging Buttfuck: You go to Buttfucks every day. You have your own personal barista, and when he/she is out sick, it ruins your day. You take part in the weekly poetry slams. You use words such as "orgasmic" and "heavenly" to describe your latte buzz. You listen to Tori Amos. You eat chocolate-covered coffee beans. Not even a crusader armed with holy water and a porcupine dildo can save you from eternal damnation. Hope you enjoy playing cards with the Baby Satan.

    All kinds of people go to Buttfucks: Yuppies, greens, reds, high-maintenance corporate types, progressives, regressives, white guys with dreadlocks that look like freeze-dried turds, skaters, hipsters, hippies and Abercrombie and Fitch-wearing teenagers. (Kids, ever heard of a malt shop? Sonic drive-in? Denny's?) Sometimes I see a blue-collar type of guy, like a plumber, fireman, or construction worker walk out of a Buttfucks. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, like, maybe they were in a hurry and needed coffee on the run or something. Bullshit. Please, Mister Roto-rooter, don't be a Buttfuck. How do you think your predecessors would feel, seeing you like this? You know and I know the righteous thing to do is walk softly and carry a big thermos.

    Another aspect of coffee culture that I just don't get is the way some people obsess about the barista, like this person who makes the lattes and mocha maulers is on the same plane as a bartender or something. I know a lot of these baristas probably hate working at Buttfucks, and they are just trying to make a living. But a few of them get a big ego, the accolades come so fast and furious they think they're Tom Cruise in Cocktail or something. Of course, one can only fault the barista so much in this case, as it is a certain kind of person that creates such a monster. I once worked at a job where this total peppersteak always raved about her barista at Peet's Coffee, how this guy put just the right amount of whipped cream and chocolate in her drink, nobody made lattes like this guy. She would beam while blabbering about her ultimate coffee man, eyes bulging, knees knocking, and a smile from ear to ear, and all I could think was, "What did you do today, wax your snatch? It's coffee, for shit's sake. Go get yourself a real drink".

    A real drink. Yep. Just what is a "real drink"? Well, let's see. I know a guy in Miami named Paul Skrabut. Many years ago a small group of us were at a dive bar on South Beach, and it only served beer on tap. Paul announced to everyone, "Im going to Washington Square bar with JoAnne, to get a real drink." It was a show-stopper. The rest of us thought it was pompous and arrogant to say such a thing. "What's this Áreal drink shit?" Paul's brother, Cris, said. "Yep," I told Cris, "that's a very Sonny Crockett thing to do." Needless to say, it was an instant classic, and to this day the "real drink" incident still comes up, often in sarcastic rants or discussion.

    But in the Here and Now, I can see where Paul was going with this real drink thing; He wanted a drink made by a bartender, not a barista, and he was fed up with drinking piss. He needed a Real Drink. Long Island Iced Tea, Whiskey Sour, Vodka and O.J. A real drink, not some carb-heavy, super-caffeinated sugar sludge. Mr. Skrabut was on a righteous pilgrimage, and I think even Paulie Walnuts would have to agree. And so I raise a toast. Here's to real drinks, for life. Because a Buttfucks can only perpetuate its selfish hoax for so long, whereas real drinks will never die. Cheers.

    I fuck goats. I fuck penguins. I fuck anuses. I lick anus. Me and Anal Cocks, Alan Cox, butt fuck each other.

  35. At last! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    The mother of the Pontiac Aztek has been found! The dad is the new Cadillac.

  36. Stephen King, author, dead at 55 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 55 by sevinkey · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      man again? he died last week too!

  37. LICK A WOMAN IN THE ASS tsarkon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Absolutely. I was never interested in women's assholes until about four years ago, and suddenly I started thinking about them more and more. Here's the deal: If you want to have anal sex with a girl, there's no quicker way to it than to show her how turned on you are by licking and fingering her ass.
    I don't always go there right away, but if you've had sex with a girl a couple times, and you haven't tried already, while you're doing her, reach around and gently rub her asshole with your finger, in a circular motion. If you're shy about it, just reach around like you're grabbing her ass-cheeks and make sure you reach far enough to 'accidentally' touch her anus with one of her fingers. If you hear her moan louder, you're set. rub that asshole a little, and then ease the tip of your finger in there. This is even more effective if you look deeply in her eyes while you do it. I've only had one girl stop me dead in my tracks because it was a turn off for her.

    Once you know she likes having her asshole touched, you can ease a finger in during oral sex, maybe two. If she's responding even more favorably, I'll just look up and say very seriously, "Oh god, baby, I want to lick your asshole." At this point, some girls will even roll right over and stick their ass in the air, ready for you to star licking. The key here is to act like you love licking that ass even more than you loved eating her pussy. Don't worry, it tastes a little strange at first, but it's not that bad, especially if it's a nice, clean hairless one. Keep licking her ass and slide a finger or two in. It's a good idea to get a couple fingers in there, because it relaxes them for anal sex. The fingers in the ass are especially beneficial if they've never done it before, because it wont hurt so much when you slide it in their ass.

    If you've gotten this far, it's not uncommon for a girl to beg for you to put it in her ass after you've been licking it for a few minutes. I've had a few anal virgins do this, one of them didn't even realize she liked to have her asshole stimulated until she met me.

    Now, it's not for every girl, you'll be reading the signs as you go from one stage to the next. If you don't get the requisite non-verbal encouragement from them, just slow down, maybe try again later. Some girls are a bit weirded out at first if they've never had guys fingering/licking their asshole, and it will take them a while to get used to the idea that someone would actually want to do that. Don't mistake their 'weirded-outness' in this case with a dislike for anal stimulation. Once you've proven over time that you really do enjoy it, they'll relax and let themselves enjoy it too. Some girls are all right with kissing you afterwards, but make sure to assume that they wont want to. She'll let you know one way or the other.

    Regardless of how you get there, there are few things in life that are as beautiful as bringing an anal virgin, or any girl for that matter, to the point where she's begging you with all her heart to fuck her in the ass.

    1. Re:LICK A WOMAN IN THE ASS tsarkon by MoneyT · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      What's really funny is that you notonly take the time to write these posts, you make sure you can find them later by putting jumbles like tsarkon in the subject. You must really enjoy reading your shit over and over again. We should all bow before your 1337 skilz

      --
      T Money
      World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
    2. Re:LICK A WOMAN IN THE ASS tsarkon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      ummm. he probably does that so it easy to find idiots like you who bite at the trolls. looks like you've been trolled so bad you are flopping around on the bottom of the boat.

  38. This isn't that impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most electric cars have a fairly low drag coeffecient in order to extend their insignificant range. The only issue is finding one that is both statically and dynamically stable in flight (to prevent tumbling) and an adequately high cliff. I'm even less impressed with the 1/4 mile time.

  39. Very cool nevertheless by mmoncur · · Score: 1

    >It's not cheap and maybe not very practical.
    >But very cool nevertheless.

    That just about sums up every electric car produced so far. What makes this one different?

    Well, it does have 8 wheels and seats 8 people. More of an Electric Limo. Probably the perfect thing for the insanely rich environmentalist on the go with seven friends.

    --

    It's Slashdot's evil twin... SlashNOT
  40. Re:Woah... anal vapors tsarkon ANAL COX SNIFFER PI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Anal Vapors II
    Part 1

    Anal Vapors was bored. His life had fallen into a rut since
    he had moved into his country home and discovered his inner self
    through a series of laxatives which quickly turned his inner self
    into his outer self. He regularly hunted for people to bring
    back to his house for tortuous games, but even this, his favorite
    pastime, seemed to bring him no joy. Even his broomstick, it's
    flame so proud and domineering over vagina and anus seemed to
    burn with a dim and subdued glow. He was even no longer
    interested in the nipple collection he had thumbtacked on the
    walls. Life had fallen into a rut, and it seemed that there was
    no way out.
    One day, while Anal Vapors was moping around the house,
    occasionally stopping to suck feverish feces from the rats which
    were threatening to overrun his home, he found an ancient book of
    sorcery. He picked up the beshitted book and began to look
    through it. As he leafed through the tattered pages, an idea
    came to him.
    "Holy buttfuck, Batman, this is it!" he told the orally
    enemized rats. He sat down and continued to read. "'Yours is
    the power over time, space, and man.' And women, children, and
    beasts," he said.
    Anal Vapors sat reading until well after dark. He learned
    of spells and incantations which would transform objects into
    various things. He turned to a rat, waved his hand and spoke, "O
    powers that are great and heinous, turn this rat into an anus."
    POOF! An anus which appeared to be that of a goat or horse now
    lay in front of him. He looked at another rat and spoke, "O wind
    which carries the mighty bird, turn this rat into a turd." POOF!
    A loaf of giant proportions sat where the rat was. Anal Vapors
    laughed and got up. The need to take a shit overpowered him, so
    he ran to the bathroom, carrying the book with him.
    As Anal Vapors sat and shat, he continued reading. He came
    to a section which greatly interested him. Fortunately, the
    incantation required the sorcerer to be "purging the bowels" for
    it to work. Anal Vapors began to recite, "Powers that be, great
    and small, stop jerking off and heed my call...."
    Suddenly, he was interrupted by a rushing wind which picked
    him up and slammed him against the ceiling and dropped him. He
    fell back on the toilet and then slid off, causing the giant loaf
    looming halfway out of his anus to smear up his back. A giant
    face appeared above him.
    "You dare profane powers beyond your imagination!" the face
    boomed. "The scrolls require the spoken incantation to rhyme,
    not offend. You must be punished!" The face emitted a
    thunderous belch which cracked the walls and warped the floor.
    Strings of greenish saliva flowed onto Anal Vapors' body and
    began to eat into his flesh. The foul belch wind blinded him and
    rendered him virtually helpless. He rolled onto his stomach, and
    with the last of his strength, squeezed out a rancid fart.
    Brown, shit pellet-filled foam splattered the face, causing it to
    wrinkle.
    "Very well!" the face bellowed. "You may live." In an
    instant, Anal Vapors was seated on the toilet, enjoying his dump.
    The face was now on an old man standing in front of him, leaning
    on a staff. He looked older than the book, or time itself. He
    motioned toward Anal Vapors, and the book floated through the air
    to him. He grabbed the book and watched Anal Vapors for a few
    more moments before speaking. "You really are a vulgar beast. I
    did not believe it when the others told me of your previous
    sorceries with this book, but now I have no doubt. This book
    binds powers that rule the universe. It is not to be used for
    such trivial creations. Now, tell me, what were you going to
    accomplish with that last foolish ranting?"
    "I was going to travel back in time a few million years and
    rape and pillage the dinosaurs. Then I was going to..."
    "Enough!" the old man interrupted. "You are much too
    foolish to keep this book. The one who had it before you feared
    it too much to use it, but you do not have such wisdom. However,
    since you did take possession of the book, you are entitled to
    discover its power for yourself. Considering this, I am going to
    grant a portion of your last request, and in return for granting
    you your life, I am keeping this book. I am going to send you
    back to the times in which this book was written. You will be
    free to do as you wish when you get there, but be warned, people
    there will not be as tolerable as they are now. When you wish to
    return to this time, you will have to go on a quest which will be
    revealed to you at that time." As Anal Vapors watched, the old
    man waved his staff at him and mumbled something. Suddenly, a
    suctioning force from inside the toilet yanked the turd Anal
    Vapors had been fighting out of his anus. Anal Vapors tried to
    get off the toilet, but the suction was too great. He looked at
    the old man, who was standing with his arms folded and a
    satisfied smile on his face, in time to see him lift one leg and
    let out a thundering fart. Before his eyes, the old man
    dissolved into a wisp of brown fartgas which seeped through
    cracks in the floor and was gone. Anal Vapors continued to
    struggle against the toilet which now held him prisoner. Then
    the toilet began to grow. Soon the hole in the seat became too
    large for him to cover with his ass, so he lost his hold on the
    slippery porcelain and fell in.
    He went under and bobbed back up. He grabbed his giant
    turd, which was now the size of a torpedo, and held on to stay
    afloat. The interior of the toilet was now a raging whirlpool
    swirling around in a flushing motion. Anal Vapors held on to the
    turd for dear life afloat in a sea which resembled Cracker Jacks
    suspended in honey. As Anal Vapors swirled around with
    increasing speed, he looked up and saw his ceiling far above.
    Then the toilet lid slammed down as its contents flushed out and
    everything went black.

  41. comments on in-wheel drive system by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's cool that they put everything (motor / reduction / brakes) in the wheel, but i fail to see the point of it... to be honest:

    the reason you buy high quality name brand wheels is because (beside the "looks cool" and "got $$ buring holes everywhere") it gives a lower up-sprung weight. which means that the car does much better in the ride quality, easier to tune the shocks / suspensions, etc. by the way, different brake rotors would allow the same thing -- but people usually go for bigger rotors for the stopping power, and try to make sure the wheel themselves are as light as possible.

    this is kinda important when you want your car to be performance oriented, as these guys are certainly trying to demonstrate -- but this combination of technology will ultimately yield a car that "can go 180mph but the ride really suck", or "if you want reasonable ride quality, then our entire million(s) dollar technology won't work"... self-defeating by my standards, anyway. =)

    gotta say, though... damn... 600kg of batteries; that's over 1300 lb. some small cars (say, lotus elise) weight about that much...

    --

    My life in the land of the rising sun.

    1. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      *sigh* Unless you racing that car. Unsprung weight is a non-issue in most passanger cars(or should I say bus in this case). The suspention setup could easly be designed to make up for the extra unsprung weight.

      If you looked at the car, you'll know that it's obviouly not built for performace at all, just speed. Cars that are tuned for performace will have a horrible ride anyway. The only thing this car is going to be lacking is cornering performace. But since it's not a racing car, who cares?

      Anyway. The point in putting it all in the wheel means there is more space in the chassis, the also, the biggie, hardly any moving parts at all. No gears, no diffs, not even a driveshaft anywhere.

    2. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      "the reason you buy high quality name brand wheels is because (beside the "looks cool" and "got $$ buring holes everywhere") it gives a lower up-sprung weight"

      Nine times out of ten your aftermarket rims are much heavier than your factory steelies. Even factory alloys tend to be pretty hefty. No, there are 2 reasons to buy aftermarket rims. 1. A larger rim (plus sized) yields a shorter (and usually stiffer) sidewall, and that cuts down on sidewall flex during hard cornering. 2. A larger rim usually has a larger internal diameter (the side that faces your brakes) so when you throw that Brembo Gran Turismo kit at all 4 corners your rims will bolt back on. Oh, and they look cooler..unless they're chrome.

    3. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by ek_adam · · Score: 1

      Putting the motor in the wheel has several real advantages.

      - Fantastic traction control. When each wheel is independantly driven it is much easier to control traction on slippery surfaces. On the other hand, you want to make sure that the control programming is completely bug free. (Would you drive a steer-by-wire car running Windows?)

      - No mechanical transmission losses. No mechanical drag in the transmission or differential.

      - More room in the rest of the car, you don't have to make room for a bulky drive train, just a small power and control cables.

    4. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by ComSon0 · · Score: 1

      Actually they put the "hub motor" on the wheel to increase efficiency. If they had to put an electric motor inside and then connect it via a transmission somehow, the mechanical losses would suck up too much battery juice, don't ask me percentages 'cause I don't know on the mechanical side. Keep in mind that these hub motors are 95+% efficient, with regen able to restore about 10% of the energy.

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    5. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by twinpot · · Score: 1

      Unsprung weight DOES matter for road cars. At least it does for most European and Japanese manufacturers. Over here, not all cars weigh 2000+ Kgs. Maybe on trucks with live axles it doesn't matter, but with a road car it does.

      Cars tuned for performance don't have to have a horrible ride either - try a Lotus, Alpine-Renault, Brabus Merc or non-RS 911 for example. Hell, try a Lamborghini Espada - 4 seats, hatchback practical, comfortable ride......gorgeous sounding V12....

    6. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And when you put all that crap on the wheels it really $hurts$ when you hit a pothole and rip up four wheels instead of two...

    7. Re:comments on in-wheel drive system by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      Unsprung weight DOES matter for road cars.

      That's a very ambiguous/generalised statment.
      It's something that need to be taken into account, yes. Because it affects the end result. But saying that it alone, matters, isn't right.

      It's like saying a low CG (center of gravity) matters for road cars. But auto makers still stick to a certain height, when they could easly be making them as low as Lamborghinis etc.

      Maybe there is a bit of confusion going on here. I know that unsprung weight needs to be considered/matters. But you were making it sound as if this car would be a horrible ride or a bad performer just because it dosn't have the optimal unsprung weight for it's design.

  42. From the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip! by Durindana · · Score: 1

    Karma whore conversion factor!

    That's 590 horsepower total, kids.

    But seriously, this bad boy must have some serious traction logic to deal with its long, ugly body and that much power distributed among eight (8) wheels. Too bad the power distro system's not detailed further.

  43. its fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    look at the "photos" doesn't look real to me

  44. Re:Pictures of the Car anal cocks tsarkon ANAL COK by jred · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    That is such a classic. I'm stealing it to read at the next poetry reading...

    --

    jred
    I'm not a mechanic but I play one in my garage...
  45. Why Electric Cars Won't Sell by aluminumcube · · Score: 1
    Is it just me, or is there a big conspiracy out there between most automakers about 'Alternative' powered vehicles to make them as fugly as possible? I think it works something like this:

    1) Create groundbreaking alternative powered, low/zero emission vehicle.

    2) Make that vehicle as ugly as present automotive styling will possibly allow.

    3) When asked by congress/consumor groups/environmentalists why it is that these low emissions vehicles are not more predomonate on our roads say, "Well, we make really good electric cars, but consumors aren't buying them, so it's not our fault."

    4) Continue making gas guzzling SUVs with insane profit margins.

    Just like veggitarians railing against the evils of industrial meat production, low emission vehicle pundents forget a simple fact- America has a 50 year old, unwavering love affair with the gas powered automobile. From garage tinkering to weekend track events, NOPI competitions, car shows, drag strips and urban crusing zones, the car is not just 'Practical' transportation, it is a fetish.

    The only way LEV/ZEV cars are going to work is if they better virtually every aspect of the modern automobile. That's practicality, performance, visceral appeal, style, safety and comfort. While it might be fast, would you be caught dead in this ugly bloody thing? I wouldn't.

    1. Re:Why Electric Cars Won't Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure is different, I'll give you that. But I think it looks really cool.

    2. Re:Why Electric Cars Won't Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If thats true explain why so god damn many people buy assteks

  46. Re:DAMN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, that is not a lot of battery weight. In fact, it's rather puzzling. Gross weight of the car is 6570 lbs and battery weight is 1323 lbs. That's a 5247 pound car, which is a hellacious amount of weight to lug around for an EV. That vehicle, WITHOUT BATTERIES, weighs more than my wife's Mercedes 450SEL and weighs more than her Toyota Landcruiser with a Chev 350 conversion. Even without batteries, it weighs a half a ton more than my 1965 GMC pickup truck.

    I'd like to know how much of the 5247 lbs is in the motors. Traditionally, EVs use one motor. The implication in the KAZ pages is that they used 8, which would help explain the extremely high "dry" vehicle weight.

  47. Re:DAMN! by cryptor3 · · Score: 1

    Where are you getting your specs? This is what I see: http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~hiros/kaz/spec.html (2980 kg for the entire car)

  48. I just cant shake the feeling thats its just a CGI by rufusdufus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I keep looking at the photographs and can't shake the feeling that what we are really seeing is the class project for realistic computer graphics. The car is just too glossy and perfect looking, even inside.

    Maybe I'm just getting paranoid, because of this Beetle

  49. Re: tsarkon's BEAVER and HORSEpower vapors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The Beaver Meets the Horse

    Once upon a time, in the small town of Mayfield, there lived
    a young man-child named Beaver Cleaver. Beaver, like all
    children, was a curious little cuss, and liked to get into ALL sorts
    of trouble. One day, the circus came to town. Beaver was
    ecstatic. He saved up his allowance for three whole weeks in order
    to gain admission to this wondrous attraction. Of course his
    mother made sure that Beaver would stay out of trouble, she sent
    his older brother Wally along as a chaperon. So Wally and Beav
    were off to the circus...

    Upon their arrival, the brothers met up with two of Beaver's school chums, Larry Mondello and Gilbert Smith. They saw all of the main attractions and visited many of the sideshow stands. They were having a very good time until they came upon a secluded tent which had a sign in front of it which read:

    "Quarantined!! Rabid Horse"

    "Gosh guys, I think we should skip this one," Wally proclaimed in that whiny older brother voice that he always used when he wanted everyone to follow him. "Ahh, come on Wally," complained Larry, "You're not CHICKEN are ya?"
    "Yeah Wally, You're not a CHICKEN!" Gilbert exclaimed.
    "That it'd be just awful if you were a chicken cause I'd hate to
    have to go to school and tell everyone that you were afraid of a
    horse!"
    Wally sighed.
    Beaver began to plead, "Come on Wally let's go see the horse, come on. It'll be fun. No one will know." "Beaver you know dad would have our hides if he found out we snuck into a quarantined tent at the Circus," Wally rebuked. "Let's get outta here."
    "You are a chicken Wally," Gilbert said, "my dad would
    probably molest me again if he found out that I snuck into this
    tent, but I'm game!"
    Larry jumped in excitedly, "My dad would do me too! One
    time my sister snuck into the movies and my dad found out. Me
    and mom could hear her screaming from down in the basement all
    night long. I wouldn't mind a night in the basement with pop if
    I could get a look at that nifty rabid horse!"
    "Yeah Wally, Dad isn't gonna find out. Besides, he hasn't
    laid a hand on you since that time he caught you with the
    National Geographics in the tool shed."
    "Don't bring that up again Beaver! And besides, whether he
    found out or not, it's still wrong! Now I'm leaving. Is anyone
    coming or not."
    Everyone was silent for a moment.
    "I'm staying," said Larry.
    "Me too," said Gilbert, "I'm gonna get me a look at that
    horse!"
    Wally looked at Beave.
    "Gee Wally," said Beaver quietly, "I, I'm staying too."
    "Suit yourself Beave, but don't say I didn't try and warn
    you."
    With that Wally turned and left the three youths standing alone in front of the isolated tent.
    "Come on guys, let's see that horse!" Larry exclaimed. Before they could answer he was under the tent. "Gee Gilbert, I don't know if this is such a good idea afterall."
    "Aw, come on Beave don't pussy out on us now! What could
    happen?"
    "I guess you're right, Let's go."
    And with that, they slipped under the tent.

    The three boys stood in a dark, damp, makeshift stall. There was an unrecognizable, yet familiar smell in the air. Before them stood a giant 7 foot tall stallion. It's coat was as pale as bone and it snorted and barred it's square, yellow teeth at their presence. It began to buck, but it's motion was impeded by a set of heavy iron chains. The boys were awe struck. They began to back away as the horse reared, but their curiosity outweighed their fear and they stood fast. The horse became calm after a minute or two and they approached it slowly. They gently petted it's snout and stroked it's long mane.
    "Why do you think that they quarantined this horse Beave?"
    asked Larry.
    "I don't know Larry."
    "Maybe it's got rabies?" said Gilbert, "The sign said it
    was rapid?"
    "I don't have rabies!" the horse said casually.
    All of the boys jumped back in amazement.
    "He talked Beave, he really talked!!" Larry exclaimed. "I
    heard him! I heard him!"
    "This is no ordinary horse!!" Gilbert said with a delighted
    smile.
    "That's right," the horse said "I am NOT an ordinary horse!
    I can speak and read just like you."
    "Wait a minute," Beave said, "I heard about you. Aren't
    you..."
    "Mr. Ed, that's right, that's me."
    "Then why are you all chained up? What happened to Wilbur?"
    The horse began to explain. "Well it's like this. I was framed you see. That damn Francis the Talking Mule set me up. I was in my stable, minding my own business, when I heard screams coming from the house. When I got to the house, to my horror I found Wilbur and Daisy both mangled and molested beyond recognition and Francis was standing over them grinning like some kind
    of evil demon!"
    "Gosh Mister Ed! That's terrible. What happened then?"
    "Well, Francis overpowered me and knocked me unconscious.
    The Police found me next to Wilbur and his wife and you know the
    rest. They stuck me in this lousy circus cause they have no
    where else to put me."
    The horse began to sob.
    "Ahh gee whiz Mr. Ed, don't cry come on don't cry."
    "Yeah Mr. Ed, It'll be ok," Gilbert said "we'll get you
    outta here!"
    "It'll be real swell Mr. Ed," Larry said. "You can come
    stay at my house after we break you out of here!"
    "I, I don't know if that is such a good idea fellas?" Beaver
    stuttered. "I mean he is locked up and all."
    The horse began to cry some more.
    "Look what you gone and done Beave! Can't you see that the
    horse is in a jam! He's innocent! I know he is!" Larry bawled.
    "Yeah Beav! We gotta get him outta here!" Gilbert retorted.
    "Please boys, help an old horse out will ya?"
    "O-, Ok" Beave stuttered. "I guess it'll be ok."
    "Thanks Beaver, you're a good boy, in fact, when you let me
    out of these chains, I'll give you each a RIDE!"
    "That'd be REAL SWELL Mr. Ed! Thanks."
    "Yeah thanks Mr. Ed."
    "No problem boys, now help me outta these chains."

    The boys began to loosen the bonds that held Mr. Ed. It
    was hard at first, but after a little work, Mr. Ed was free!

    "Thanks so much boys! It feels so great to be free again."
    "I'll bet," Larry said.
    "And how," Gilbert agreed.
    Beaver was silent.
    "Now, we need an escape route. Beaver go outside and keep
    watch. Gilbert and Larry will stay here and help make up a
    plan."
    Beaver left the tent quickly. He was feeling a little nervous about the whole ordeal. His stomach turned wildly. He didn't know if he could trust the horse. After a while Beave began to get edgy. He wondered what was taking them so long? He wanted to just take off, but he couldn't leave his friends. All of a sudden Beave heard a high shrilled scream from within the tent! It sounded like Gilbert! What was going on?!!? He ran inside the tent only find a scene more horrid than he imagined...

    On the ground before him lay Gilbert covered in feces. He
    was dazed, but conscious. Larry was in far more worse state.
    Mr. Ed had mounted Larry Mondello. His giant horse cock was
    shoved far up the young boys anus! Beaver felt a wave of terror
    sweep over him. The horse was grunting furiously as he jammed
    his phallus farther into the child. Larry's small white cheeks
    spread further and further apart as the horse continued his deep
    penetrating thrusts. Larry's fists clenched the wet ground
    before him. His face contorted into a terrible mask of fear and
    pain. His teeth bit hard against one another, but every thrust
    by the horse's relentless penis made him yelp and squeal.
    Beaver helped Gilbert off the ground. With the detachment
    of a cripple, they watched as the horse raped their friend.
    "Golly Gilbert! What happened?!?" yelled Beaver.
    "The horse lied to us! He told us that he was going to show
    us a neat trick he learned in the circus! He told Gilbert to take
    off his pants and get down on all fours. Then he told me to come
    over and rub his dick."
    "What'd ya go and do that for Gilbert?!?"
    "I didn't know any better, and besides how was I supposed to
    know that the horse was a psychopathic rapist! Anyway Larry
    thought it was a neat idea."
    "Yeah, real neat idea," mocked Beaver, "look at him now
    Gilbert, I bet he doesn't think that it's a real neat idea now."
    "I'll say."
    The horse was undulating furiously. Faster than before.
    Larry began to scream.
    "Help me! Help me Beave! It hurts! It hurts REAL BAD!"
    "I don't know about you Beave," exclaimed Gilbert, "But I'm
    getting outta here!"
    "You'll do no such thing you weasel Gilbert!" yelled Beaver.
    "You helped get us into this, now you're gonna help get us out."
    The two boys began to approach the throbbing beast. Mr. Ed
    was far too involved to notice the boys. They were about to
    spring on the horse when something very bizarre happened! The
    horse began to whinny an stomp it's front hooves. Larry was
    almost lifted off the ground! Just then, Larry made a sound that
    none of them had heard before. It was a terrible ripping sound,
    not unlike that of raw meat being torn in half. It was the sound
    of Larry's anus rupturing around Mr. Ed's mammoth penis! Larry's
    eyes rolled back and he became a motionless pile of child swaying
    on the beast's dick. Mr. Ed then proceeded to come. And boy
    did he come!! Larry Mondello practically shot off the horses
    member! Semen sprayed everywhere! Beaver and Gilbert fell back in
    disgust. It was a sight neither of them would forget for a long
    time. Cum and blood flowed from their friends ass as the
    stallion shimmied and shook himself free of the lifeless kid.
    "Ohhhh, that felt good!" Mr. Ed exclaimed.
    "Jesus Christ Beaver!" Gilbert shouted, "did you see that!
    I don't know about you, but I'm getting the Hell outta here!"
    "Wait Gilbert, No!" Beaver tried to stop his friend but it
    was too late! Before he could grab him, Gilbert was running for
    the exit.
    "Not so fast Gilbert!" Mr. Ed exclaimed, "I've got
    something special for you!!" The horse galloped quickly between
    Gilbert and the egress.
    Gilbert's retreat was blocked and he had no where to turn.
    "No, Mr. Ed, Please! For Godsakes! No!!!" Gilbert shouted. But
    alas it was all in vain. Mr. Ed would show no mercy.
    "You've been a very bad little boy Gilbert. I'm gonna have
    to punish you now!" Mr. Ed said sternly. And with that the
    horse darted quickly for Gilbert's groin.
    CHOMP! Gilbert screamed wildly, flailing his arms in a most
    agonizing fashion. Mr. Ed bit squarely into his genitals.
    Blood spurted everywhere.
    Beaver almost fainted at the site of his longtime friend
    being lifted high into the air by the balls. He had read about
    this kind of thing happening in newsgroups, but never actually
    thought that any of it was true. Boy, was he wrong.
    As Beaver squirmed within himself, Gilbert flailed violently
    while his gonads were pulverized in the mouth of his captor. For
    a brief moment their eyes met. The ghost white bulbs of mister
    Ed peered past the tiny blood stained face of Gilbert and into
    his desperate eyes. At that moment Gilbert could have sworn that
    he heard a soft, yet somehow terrifying, whinny of a laugh gurgle
    out of Mr. Ed's mouth.
    Mr. Ed began to turn in circles. His hooves began to move
    faster and faster until he could almost no longer maintain his
    balance. Round and round they went, like some sick carnival ride
    that was desperately out of control. As they spun, Gilbert's
    back arched farther and farther. The speed of the turns forced
    Gilbert's weak hands from the snout deep in his groin helplessly
    into the air behind his head. The siren of Gilbert's scream
    wailed in Beaver's ears as he watched the pair in sheer horror.
    Suddenly mister Ed stopped. There was a curt ripping sound to be
    heard as Gilbert flew across the room. Beaver let his eye's
    follow his friend's body through the air and into a small pile of
    hay. Gilbert twitched once, and then lay still. Beaver looked
    up slowly only to find Mr. Ed starring at him wild eyed. His
    mouth opened and bloody mass of flesh and cloth fell casually.
    Beaver almost vomited at the site Gilbert's wrinkled penis on the
    ground before him.
    Mr. Ed spoke excitedly, "Youuurrrr next Beaver!"
    At those words, Beaver's disgust transformed entirely into
    fear. Mr. Ed began to approach him. Beaver backed away slowly.
    He wanted to run but there was no where to turn. Mr. Ed's
    bloody jowls foamed at the anticipation of the young boy's flesh!
    Beaver began to plead with the horse.
    "No Mr. Ed, please please don't hurt me...I, I won't tell
    anyone, honest Mr. Ed, just don't molest me!"
    "Oh, Beaver," the horse said as he approached the young
    child, "We'll have a good time together. You'll see. I'm sure
    you are going to last muuuuuch longer than your friends! They
    were very good, but they didn't have much stamina!"
    Beaver saw the horses erect cock peek out from within the
    wrinkled foreskin. The horse whinnied in an excited tone as it
    reared. Terrified, Beaver tripped and fell. He began to scream
    as Mr. Ed rushed him, but the boy's scream was quickly muted by
    the horses dick which plunged deep into his gaping mouth!
    Beaver was helpless. Pinned beneath the swaying beast, he
    could do nothing to alter the situation. The horses moist penis
    gyrated smoothly in Beaver's tiny mouth. Beaver could think of
    nothing except the thought of the taste of Larry's anus and the
    horses dick mingling together inside his mouth. It was getting
    harder for Beaver to breath, and he didn't think he could last
    until the Mr. Ed came. Boy was dad gonna be mad. "If only I
    had listened to Wally," he thought as the horse thrusted deeper.
    Just then Wally ran into the tent. He first caught a
    glimpse of Larry Mondello's half naked, motionless body lying in
    the center of the stall. Then he saw the Beave squirming beneath
    the undulating horse. "I knew something crazy like this was
    gonna happen!" Wally said to himself. He cocked the shot gun
    that he had brought with him and charged at Mr. Ed.
    With the prowess of a high school track star, Wally ran
    across the stall and shoved the barrel of the shotgun far into
    the horses ass. Mr. Ed's head jerked up quickly and he turned
    to look at the new plaything Wally had brought him. "Hmmmmm, it
    looks like we have a new friend Beaver!" Mr. Ed was preparing
    to kick Wally with his hind legs when he pulled the trigger.
    Mr. Ed jerked abruptly forward. There was one last thrust
    inside Beaver's mouth and then the horse fell over on it's side.
    Beaver scrambled to his feet quickly.
    "You okay Beave?"
    "Yeah, Wally, I'm okay," he said as he wiped his mouth
    casually.
    "That was a close one huh?"
    "And How Wally! Thanks for saving me!"
    "Aw, don't go getting mushy on me Beave. Any how, I kinda
    figured it was my fault for letting you stay in the tent. Let's
    go check Larry. They quietly walked over to their friends body.
    "I-, Is he dead Wally?"
    Wally felt Larry's cold neck. "Yeah I think he is Beave."
    "Wh-, What are we gonna do Wally?"
    Wally stared thoughtfully at the corpse. "Aw Beav I don't
    know," he said timidly, "I mean we can't just go and tell Mrs.
    Mondello that her son got raped to death by a rabid horse at the
    circus!"
    "Yeah I guess you're right Wally, Larry's Mom would be kind
    of sore at us."
    "And how Beave," Wally said. "Where's Gilbert?"
    Beaver motioned to a pile of bloody hay in the corner.
    "He's over there Wally."
    The pair sauntered over to their wounded friend. His body
    writhed in the hay as blood flowed from his torn groin.
    "Gee Wally, Gilbert doesn't look so good," Beaver said.
    "He sure doesn't Beave, I don't think he's gonna last anoth-
    er hour if we don't get him to a doctor or something."
    Gilbert began to regain consciousness. "Beaver, Wally- oh,
    ah, wha- what happened?" Gilbert whispered weakly.
    "Your dick got bit off by that horse Gilbert!" Beaver said
    excitedly, "Larry got reamed real hard don't ya remember and
    then-"
    "Aw, spare the poor guy the details Beav. Can't ya see that
    Gilbert's dying here?"
    Gilbert sounded alarmed, "Dying?!? No way I'm gonna die
    just because some psychotic horse bit off my penis!" He tried to
    get up but fell back into the hay. "Hey guys I can't move my
    legs!"
    "Is that bad that he can't move his legs Wally?" Beaver
    questioned.
    "I'll say it is," Wally replied. "Your back's probably
    broke or something. You might be paralyzed from the waist down."
    "What's 'paralyzed' mean Wally?" Beave asked curiously.
    "It means that Gilbert's a goner whether he lives or not."
    "Don't say that Wally!" Gilbert exclaimed, "Come on fellas,
    get me outta here!"
    "Nothing doing Gilbert," Wally retorted, "You really goofed
    up this time and the Beaver and I aren't gonna take the heat for
    it." And with that Wally began to cover Gilbert up with hay.
    "Wait a minute!" Gilbert began to scream, "You guys can't
    just leave me here! Beaver you're my best friend! How can you
    do this!"
    "You're only my best friend because Larry's over there dead
    and anyway, even if you were my best friend Wally's still my
    brother and I have to listen to what he says cause he knows
    what's right. He's in high school ya know," Beaver explained.
    Gilbert began, "I know but-"
    "Aw would ya knock it off Gilbert," Wally interrupted, "Kick
    him in the head or something would ya Beave."
    "O-, Okay Wally," Beaver said "I'm real sorry about this
    Gilbert."
    "I bet you're real sorry Beave, some best friend you turned
    out to be," Gilbert replied.
    Beaver gave Gilbert a quick kick to his right temple, knock-
    ing him unconscious instantly.
    They finished covering up Gilbert and then dragged Larry's
    body to a corner and covered him up hurriedly.
    After they were done with their morbid task, Beaver turned
    to his brother. "What now Wally?"
    "Well Beave, the way I see it, eventually someone is gonna
    find this mess. And when they do, they are gonna start asking
    some questions."
    "What kinda questions are they gonna be asking Wally?"
    "Don't worry about that right now Beave. The point is that
    they are and they are gonna want to know who's responsible. And
    right now, that's me and you," Wally continued. "So this is what
    we are gonna do. Ya see this Beave?"
    Wally pulled out a worn baseball cap with the initials E.H.
    sewn into the bill.
    "Yeah I see it Wally. How's it gonna help us?" Beave asked
    a bit confused.
    "This Eddie Haskel's old cap Beave!" Wally exclaimed.
    Beaver's face lit up as a wave of comprehension swept over him.
    "We are gonna leave this here and when the fuzz gets here,
    they'll have a nice clue waiting for them."
    "Boy you sure are smart Wally!" Beave exclaimed giving his
    brother a unprecedented hug.
    "Enough already Beave," Wally said with usual modesty. He
    threw the hat next to the dead horse. "Now let's get outta
    here."
    The pair exited the tent silently. Not much was said on the
    way home, but Beave eventually broke the silence.
    "Wally what's gonna happen when the police ask that rat
    Eddie where he was today?"
    A smirk broke over Wally's face. "Well Beave, when I left
    you guys I ran into Eddie at the ferris wheel. He was with
    Lumpy. They wanted me to go down to Fischer's Pond with them and
    jack off."
    "No foolin Wally?"
    "No foolin Beave. Anyway, I told him that I wasn't into that
    group masturbation thing. And them they left. The way I see it,
    no matter what happens, Eddie would rather go to jail than con-
    fess to jacking off with Lumpy Rutherford."
    "That's a real swell plan Wally!!"
    "Thanks Beave."
    Beave was silent for a moment. "Y-Y-You're not gonna tell
    Mom or Dad about this are ya Wally?"
    "Are you kidding Beaver?!?! If I told Dad about this he'd
    make me go down to the police station and turn myself in! And if
    I told Mom, she would just probably die or something!"
    "I guess you're right Wally."

    Shortly they arrived home. Before they entered Beave ques-
    tioned Wally: "How do I look?"
    Wally looked him over and brushed some hay off his brother.
    "You look fine Beave, but just don't breathe on Mom, you've got
    horse cum on your breath."
    Beaver tried to smell himself. "Thanks again Wally."
    "Sure Beave, anytime, that's what brothers are for right?"
    Beaver smiled, "Right Wally."
    And with that the two entered their home.
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  50. Making electric cars go fast by sklib · · Score: 1

    It certainly seems that an electric car ought to be able to achieve bursts of very high power output using some really large capacitors. Has this been done in any projects? I think it would be neat for the next electric civic or whatever to have a "turbo boost" button, that lets it peel off for 30 seconds or so.

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  51. No wonder we never switched to metric by cryptor3 · · Score: 1
    gotta say, though... damn... 600kg of batteries; that's over 1300 lb. some small cars (say, lotus elise) weight about that much..
    Call me Canadian, but last time I checked, 600 kg = 272 lbs.
    1. Re:No wonder we never switched to metric by vincent99 · · Score: 1

      $_ =~ s/canadian/stupid/i;

      Check...harder, eh.

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    2. Re:No wonder we never switched to metric by N+Monkey · · Score: 2

      but last time I checked, 600 kg = 272 lbs.
      Errrr....When exactly did you check? Was it before you had any morning coffee.
      I think you hit the divide and not the multiply key on your calculator ;-) (1kg ~ 2.2lbs)

    3. Re:No wonder we never switched to metric by cryptor3 · · Score: 1

      Doh. It's 3:25 and it's time for me to go to sleep.

    4. Re:No wonder we never switched to metric by kuiken · · Score: 1

      Canadian, are you working for NASA
      check again at http://convert.french-property.co.uk/

      1 pound lb = 0.4536 kg
      600.000 kg = 1322.7600 lb

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  52. A Conspiracy by the gasoline industry.... by Monofilament · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They've tempted you with a non-Internal combustion vehicle. Now that you're interested and go "Oh yes, I finally can just plug into my house and Pay the electric company for my power and not the gas station".. Then they unveil it. OH MY GOD THAT THING IS UGLY... and they tell us thats the only way you'll ever have a fast electric car.. a big heavy ugly ass machine. Thus the sabotage of zero-emission vehicles is complete. On a side note.. if we all just plug our cars into our house to charge it... electric companies then will have to produce more electricity.. then burning more of what ever fuel they use. Thus creating more polution.. or possibly some other environmental effect or danger even if your electric company doesn't produce from fossil fuels right..?

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    1. Re:A Conspiracy by the gasoline industry.... by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      On a side note.. if we all just plug our cars into our house to charge it... electric companies then will have to produce more electricity.. then burning more of what ever fuel they use. Thus creating more polution.. or possibly some other environmental effect or danger even if your electric company doesn't produce from fossil fuels right..?

      I'm pretty sure electric companies are much more efficent than a typical car motor. A huge plant gives way more space for technology and efficency than a tiny car. The same happens with solar and wind power. Of course creating a solar panel produces pollution, but if during its useful life it generates more energy than what a power plant could with the amount of pollution it took to create the panel, then it's a win.
    2. Re:A Conspiracy by the gasoline industry.... by Monofilament · · Score: 1

      Of course creating a solar panel produces pollution, but if during its useful life it generates more energy than what a power plant could with the amount of pollution it took to create the panel, then it's a win.
      (from one of the replies)

      I totally agree, just trying to bring the point out that a whole lot of other stuff needs to change not just the advent of electric cars. Thats a great step, but infrastructure has to get built up too.

      I think I kinda wrote my comment to instigate responses like the two I've gotten. I totally agree with both the replies to my comment. :)

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  53. Concept by Diabolical · · Score: 2

    First of all, this is obviously a concept car. If you read the article and take a look at their homepage the idea comes forward.

    As someone else allready stated, the weight is huge and 8 wheels is strange for a passenger car. However, on their homepage it is made clear that they created a standard chassis on which a bus, truck or passenger car can be build. Further more, it's interesting to see their concept as it shows that perhaps the future of automotive transportation lies in a totally different concept than currently used.

    You can compare it to toyota's electric car or the lotus elise but those cars are made with todays concept of building cars. The engine built in the wheel is a refreshing thought as it surely leaves alot of room for a developer to design the card without compromising for motor compartments etc.

    Off course it does raise questions like what would be the price of a new wheel and such but somehow i don't think the audience for this type of car will be impressed by it's maintenance costs.

    Besides that, i think it's a refreshing design. But that's pure personal prefference.

  54. National Electric Drag Racing Association by stereoroid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking of performance electrics, don't forget NEDRA. Their current champion, "Current Eliminator IV", uses Dragster - 336V of batteries and did a standing quarter-mile in 8.801 seconds. I wonder what it sounded like - a two-tonne bumble-bee on crack..?

    I second the previous comments about the need to keep wheel mass low - low sprung weight is a definite goal of performance cars. It's hard to call this thing a car, it's more like a bus, since it seats 8 and weighs 3 tonnes...

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    1. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by lingqi · · Score: 1
      I second the previous comments about the need to keep wheel mass low - low sprung weight is a definite goal of performance cars. It's hard to call this thing a car, it's more like a bus, since it seats 8 and weighs 3 tonnes...

      Sigh... why in the world would you want to make a bus go 180/190 mph? last i checked there was no "performance bus" category / market, so if they are soooo concerned with the speed, i am assuming they are trying to appeal this to some kind of speed-freaky people... but then again japanese taxi drivers are quite suicidal driving wise (but my god they are polite!), so maybe there are some people who might be interested in this thing.

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    2. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      >> Sigh... why in the world would you want to make a bus go 180/190 mph?

      These are the same people who are overclocking CPU's.

    3. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      --- Note to Slashdot posters: the USA is not the World, OK? Thanks.
      note to this poster: judge not by a different set of standards than you judge yourself.

      I have been on plenty of sites that were hosted in non-US countries. I saw the same thing there, it is called human nature, live with it and quit being a hypocrit.

    4. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I wonder what it sounded like - a two-tonne bumble-bee on crack..?

      It probably sounded like that "super high tech" Mitsubishi Starion driven by Jackie Chan in Cannonball Run II.

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    5. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      Actually, technology like this could eventually lead to high-preformance personal vehicles somewhere down the road. Right now if you want to go someplace fast the answer is train/plane, but you are stuck moving between large expensive hubs or over a few pre-defined routes.

      If you had 180mph busses it would be a whole new type of public transit. Of course, the way the roads currently work it wouldn't be safe, but if cars are eventually computerized and you remove human drivers from the loop then there would be no reason not to have arbitrarily speeds on the roadways. You would just key in a start and endpoint, and then your car would take you there. It might even be feasible to rent your transport - you just call up the local rental company and a car shows up at your door in three minutes and takes you to where you want to go - you would then gain the benefit of shared maintenance costs and not paying to maintain a car that sits in your garage 16 hours a day, and in a parking lot at work the other 8...

      You could even envision contracting for transit via the best-means-possible. A car might drive you start to finsh, or maybe it would take you to a train/bus station or an airport. All fares are included in the original price. So I just punch into a computer that I want to go from home to work, or from home to Bangledesh, and it just tells me the price tag from competing subcontractors... You could even pay a premium to have a private accomodation (ie, no carpooling), or let the system have somebody who is travelling along the way stop by to pick you up for a reduced fare for both parties.

      Sure, we're not there yet, but the pieces are starting to fall into place - once price comes down this could become technology for the masses. And it has to start somewhere...

    6. Re:National Electric Drag Racing Association by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical american "its use is not obvious, so obviously it has no use" attitude. Did you ever stop to think that in places like Germany, for example, where they umlimited speed highways, a passenger car that can carry a lot of people at a high rate of speed makes very good sense? OF course not, it doesn't have a V8 engine and brush guards so your brain is unable to process it.

  55. But there is an electric elise by N+Monkey · · Score: 2

    number of batteries this car needs are enormous. Sure, you can put it in an elise (probably not, but just work with me) but you'll have enough charge to get up to 30mph before it dies.

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but there is an Electric Lotus Elise. It has quite reasonable acceleration performance (but is speed limited to 150kph/90mph I think). There's some details here but a lot more links are listed on google.

    I'd be tempted but I've already got a Lotus. :-)

    Simon

  56. no dude, bad conversions by vipw · · Score: 1

    A weight of 2980kg is 6556 lbs.

    A honda civic 4 door sedan weighs 1142kg (2513 lbs). This guy is 2.6 times heavier than that honda. The classic SUV, Ford Explorer, clocks in at 80% of this electric car's weight with 2364kg (5200 lbs).

    So the electric car definitely has some mass to it. But for being the size of a limo it still doesn't do too badly.

  57. Re:Bullshit - Gotten those * and / wrong, eh? by g.a.g · · Score: 1

    Sorry to inform you that people with an actual sense for both the metric system and the US-Imperial system are better off. Done a reality check lately? 2980kg is basically 3 metric tons, which is the weight of the 6 fastest F1 cars combined (give or take a few). As well, last time I checked, the horsepower was something like 1.36 kW.

    Thanks for getting us into a measurement system debate again again!

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  58. Just call me a Stonecutter :) by cryptor3 · · Score: 1
    Thanks for getting us into a measurement system debate again again!
    Who controls the British Crown? Who keeps the metric system down? I do!
  59. Half true. by MikeFM · · Score: 2

    It's true that the EV's that are offered to us by most car makers seem to be designed to make us not want to buy them. They probably don't want us to buy them because they make a lot of profits from the much more complex mechanical systems and many car makers have quite a bit of money invested in the oil market. It's as simple as that. It's against their interest to make good EV's. Hybrid and fuel-cell vehicles and threatening enough to them but at least you still have to deal with complex systems and buy fuel.. things that aren't factors with EV's.

    However I've seen some really nice homemade and conversion cars. My favorite are classic and muscle cars that have been rebuilt and converted to electric. I've seen some of those that can do 90mph with a range of about 200 miles per charge and the ability to be recharged in 15-30 minutes. An even better trick I've seen is rack mounted batteries. Pop the hood and a special arm (manual usually but could be robotic) is used to remove the spent pack and a new pack is inserted while the spent pack goes to be charged. It's refueling in the style of portable kerosene tanks or like renting a tape from Blockbuster except with batteries.

    For refueling stations electric should be a major boon. Charge a membership fee for the right to exchange battery packs and set up solar/wind to recharge spent packs and you have little ongoing costs.. it's all upfront costs which shouldn't be anymore than starting a gas station. Also as fuel doesn't need to be hauled in to the station you can put the stations in remote locations and make them fully self-service.

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    1. Re:Half true. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      While I agree with the battery swapping 'gas' station idea, I doubt many manufacturers will go that route for the next decade or so. Most americans have a 220V plug in their garages (apt. dwellers are screwed) so jacking your car in overnight and driving on a full battery the next day should become the norm. Maybe eventually they'll create some kind of flash-charge battery that can take a lightning-bolt power hit and soak it all up instantly for quick charges. Put that in cars and in 'gas' stations and you'll have some serious cash.

    2. Re:Half true. by MikeFM · · Score: 2

      Some have either an external or built-in charger and can also be swapped in/out easily. The external chargers for home are probably the best long-term solution as they don't require every vehicle or every battery to have a charger (cheaper) but your right there is convenience in plugging them in. I've seen a lot that would plug into normal 110V too which is good as you can charge at work easily.

      One idea I've had is that parking lots might offer free charges while your parked. Imagine how stores could make use of that especially if they have a renewable energy source instead of using the grid. Free fuel while you shop.. the longer you shop the more fuel you get.

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    3. Re:Half true. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Ooooo, I like your idea for the shopping malls. I can just see the retailers and grocery store owners scrambling over each other just to pay the power bill for the parking lot. :) Maybe they'll setup a deal where people that park far away from the front of the stores get rewarded with charging while people that park closer don't.

      I can just imagine there being power couplings embedded in the ground, and your car sending a wireless signal to remotely open them, then hooking up and charging itself.

      Oh wait, we're still stuck with dinosaur fuel because the big oil companies can't handle a gigantic paradigm shift. I guess any large, monolithic company is loathe to change and risk hurting it's profits. Just like the record industry...if they would've gotten in on mp3 *early* they wouldn't be crying about losing money now. If oil companies help the automakers foot some of the R&D bills, they'll be able to keep their corner on the fuel market when the paradigm shift finally happens.

    4. Re:Half true. by wol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      many car makers have quite a bit of money invested in the oil market

      Last time I looked, most of GM and Ford's money was made on SUVs (high gas usage). When oil prices rise, sales fall, profits fall. Looks exactly the opposite to having money invested in the oil market. If they could get electric cars to really work, and make money, they would do it in a heartbeat.

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    5. Re:Half true. by MikeFM · · Score: 2

      Take the massive roof of that shopping mall and cover it with solar panels. The solar energy can charge the cars parked in the lot and help reduce the cost of electricity the mall pays. If you have cars using some sort of id system you could even make it so the more money the person has a history of spending in the mall the faster their car will be charged.

      Very true that businesses don't like change but they do like cheap gimicks to get people spending money. Eventually there will be enough EV's on the road to make trials of these kind of programs worth while and then things snowball. People find out they get free fuel and they buy more cars.. more stores find out more of their customers have the cars and are using the program and expand the program throughout more of their parking lots. Enterprising people see demand for EV's and start selling them.. old car companies try to put new car companies out of business and finally make the switch themselves. It's all about coming up with these ideas and trying tor each critical mass.

      I've thought of selling preassembeled solar/wind mini charging stations to people that want them. Maybe try to push them to greenies (I'm green but not as much as I'm a geek) as a practical way to help the problem. Buy a piece of roadside land and throw up a free-to-the-public mini charging station and your local club has done something to help the enviroment and hey it's a really cool geek project too. ;)

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    6. Re:Half true. by hplasm · · Score: 0
      Reach critical mass.

      3 zillion electric cars choke city trying to reach free charging carpark, then expire as the ICE system drains the batteries during the traffic jam. Occupants fry in the sun as the aircon fails. Solar panel car occupants laugh, then cry as night falls and their heaters pack in during the wee small hours.

      then the predators appear from the roadside...the thin outer skin of the lightweight vehicles proves no obstacle to them.....

      etc, etc

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  60. Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by MikeFM · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even the worst electric plants are more effecient than the ebst internal combustion engines at producing and transporting the resulting energy. Even counting the loss of transferring the energy into batteries.. hauling the batteries around in the car.. converting the electricity into making the car go.. the electric is still more effecient. The main downside of electrics however is that it's harder to store at the same space efficency... meaning that batteries need to be a lot bigger that a tank of gas to get the same range. Batteries are getting better but they still can't squeeze as much into the same space. They can also be slow to charge unless you have the money to spend on a fast charger and batteries able to stand being charged that fast. However common EV's can more than provide enough range for the average person to drive to work.. go to lunch.. go back to work.. make a few stops on the way home.. and get home. The cost of fuel is typically way cheaper than gasoline even if you just plug into an outlet in your home and of course you have the option of using solar and wind to recharge your vehicle which of couse costs you nothing other than the upfront cost of installing your system. Insurance is usually cheaper for EV's also as they are usually very safe to drive as they have no parts that can explode and the batteries absorb impact during a crash.

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    1. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That must have been one of the longest series of run-on sentences I've ever seen. Good job.

    2. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by rseuhs · · Score: 2
      Even the worst electric plants are more effecient than the ebst internal combustion engines at producing and transporting the resulting energy.

      That's of course true, but for an electrical car you have to first convert chemical energy to electrical (in the plant), convert it back into chemical (in the car battery), convert that back into electrical and finally into kinetic energy.

      Those losses add up.

    3. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by Darnit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The electric is still more efficient according to studies done by tree huggers. It is probably more efficient to use gasoline according to a study done by auto manufacturers.

      In reality, it is not exactly known. Some studies have come close to trying to calculate all the steps involved. One that I've read (i don't have the link) had many of the things to calculate. The only way we'll ever know is if we do a earth to car efficiency study. How much energy is expended pumping the oil or mining the coal? How much energy is spent transporting the oil/coal? How much energy is spent refining/generating the final fuel (petrol/electricity)? How much energy is lost transporting the fuel (tankers/transmission lines)? Finally how efficient is the vehicle at getting the available fuel to usable motion?

      1) Electricity is almost always made with local coal/hydro/natural gas/sun/wind. Petrol has a large portion from countries that are unstable. Places I don't think the US should stick there long noses and risk my relatives going to war.

      2) Generation of electricity has efficiencies based on economies of scale. Much of the really bad pollution is cleaned out. Power plants usually drop their output during the night to points that aren't as efficient. If timers, time of use meters, and other strategies are implemented, electric cars can recharge at night. This additional electric load can be used to keep the plants operating in their most efficient power range. IC engines don't have all those benefits of size. They need to be cheap and useful so some of the pollution is allowed. I think that the refining of oil to petrol is very efficient. They use many of the byproducts in other ways.

      3) tankers on the road to transport fuel to the stations is hard on the roads, fairly dangerous, possible terrorist targets. Transmission lines are not lossless. I don't know the exact amount of power lost in the lines and the transformers. But it is fairly clean. Generating your own electricity from solar/wind/geothermal/hydro eliminates the losses in the lines since it doesn't have to go that far.

      4) Pumping gas into your car is pretty efficient but the engine itself is very wasteful. So much heat is generated that cannot be used unless your in a cold climate and use the heater. Electric vehicles have inefficiencies from the battery charger (power factor/line losses), charging batteries produces some heat. Discharging batteries produces heat. The speed controller is generating heat and the motor is not 100% efficient (usually 80% - 95%). When stopped in traffic the electric vehicle produces no heat or anything. IC engines keep running even though they don't need too. Can you imagine all the fuel wasted sitting in rush hour traffic?

      These are all factors to consider. Down sides of electric vehicles are generally the range and weight. But how often do you really need to travel over 60 miles non-stop? If you do then you shouldn't have an electric vehicle as your main source of transportation. I call electric vehicles a good second and third car. If used as a primary vehicle you should get friendly with your local auto rental for the longer trips that the EV can't make.

      What really pisses me off is that more vehicles are hybrids. These would be a great help to the pollution problem. If every SUV, bus, car, minivan were hybrid. They still aren't ideal but they would be perfect as a primary vehicle with your second/third vehicle being all electric. Even better would be a plug in hybrid that could run all electric for short trips (store, work) and then when you need to go farther it can run in full hybrid mode.

      I'll quit rambling now.

    4. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by vovin · · Score: 1

      While I prefer alternate fuels myself. I know that:
      Even the worst electric plants are more effecient than the ebst internal combustion engines at producing and transporting the resulting energy.
      Is a pile of shit.

      All the coal burning electricty generation utilities on the USA generate *TWICE* the pollution of *all* the vehicles.

      Against nuclear energy? Or agaist the out moded design of nuclear plants build in the 70's based on 50's nuclear submarine designs. Ask google about the IFR reactor designs.

    5. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by sn0wcrash · · Score: 1

      My electric bill is already huge. How much will these elctric cars cost the consumer when plugged into the wall every night? How much do these batteries cost to replace and how frequently? How about the electric motors? Can I pick one up at autozone.. or do I get to pay a large fortune for a one off design? Aren't batteries a bit on the toxic side? Saving the environment is all fine.. but I gotta be able to afford the thing too.

    6. Re:Electricity is more effecient that gasoline. by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      OK then.. lets play the numbers game..

      According to the Vehicle Data the Batteries hold a 55KWh charge..
      The vehicle can maintain 100kph (62mph) for 300km (187miles) before needing a re-charge..

      The Average Cost of a KWh in the us is $0.0693 so it'll cost $3.81 US pr charge. A high efficency charger may hit 96% so we'll tack on an extra 4% bringing us to $3.96 US.

      The Average cost of Gas in the US is Currently $1.44 a gal.. so our $3.96 can buy 2.715 gallons of Gas.. or a rough equivlant of 68mpg for the electric car.. Not bad considering it'll haul 8 people

      So say you drive this thing 12,000 miles a year at peak efficency. Each one will consume 3.5 megawats of power annually.

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  61. Re:teh futare of slashdot crap tsarkon buttfuck bi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Somewhere along the line, this poor bastard must have thought he could make an impact in the world. Now he's just a jaded fuck.

  62. Battery technology still a problem by panurge · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The big problem I see is the availability of batteries. For instance, companies like Ovonics are supposedly commercialising NiMH (the technology BEFORE lithium.) I have been trying for two years to design a half way reasonable electric bicycle. I have a battery specification which is within the range of claimed traction battery designs in NiMH (12 or 13.2V, 5-60AH, 600W over 5 minutes and 400W average over discharge. Hardly rocket science.) Yet a battery of this spec is still not available on the commercial market except in limited series production to large customers. The obvious conclusion is that the technology isn't yet marketable. Which means that lithium ion has a chance when...2020? As for fuel cells, they have been a promising technology for the last 50 years plus, but the problems (world supply of platinum limited, high temperatures needed for high efficiencies, corrosive media, thermal management, carbon monoxide and dioxide poisoning, seem always on the verge of being solved but never getting there. And don't forget that unlike a battery, a fuel cell's output is limited by the membrane capacity: the ability to produce high peaks for short periods is missing. The last time I read an article on the future of fuel cells was the dead wood version of Scientific American in 1999. I'm not aware of any real breakthroughs since.

    Meanwhile, the direct injection electronically controlled turbo diesel just goes on getting more and more efficient, and cleaner. And smaller. And lighter. And more reliable.

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    1. Re:Battery technology still a problem by horza · · Score: 2

      a fuel cell's output is limited by the membrane capacity: the ability to produce high peaks for short periods is missing

      Can't you just put a large capacitor in series with it to solve that problem?

      [fuel cell problems] world supply of platinum limited, high temperatures needed for high efficiencies, corrosive media, thermal management, carbon monoxide and dioxide poisoning

      Membranes are getting cheaper and cheaper as the technology progresses. Not sure what you mean about the last one, the only output of a fuel cell is pure water. The high temperatures can easily be dealt with... there are even small fuel cells that run laptops these days.

      seem always on the verge of being solved but never getting there

      Well commercial fuel cells have been around for a while. My local swimming pool has been powered by fuel cell for the last couple of years. I'm tempted to buy a domestic one for my next house. GM has promised mass production of fuel cell cars for 2008.

      The last time I read an article on the future of fuel cells was the dead wood version of Scientific American in 1999. I'm not aware of any real breakthroughs since.

      Where HAVE you been??? Even if you only read Slashdot you would see articles about fuel cells in laptops (plus obigatory dup), Sci American 2002 about GM, Wired article about GM $1bn bet, and more. Fuel cells are a big deal today.

      Phillip.

    2. Re:Battery technology still a problem by IanO · · Score: 2

      Lithium Metal Polymer (LMP) batteries will be perfect for automotive applications once the cost comes down. They have excellent energy density and a better life expentancy than most of the alternative. One manufacturer that comes to mind is these guys but there are others creating similiar technologies.

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    3. Re:Battery technology still a problem by panurge · · Score: 2
      Sorry if this sounds a bit sharp, but anyone who thinks a capacitor can hold enough energy to give a short boost to a vehicle (let alone being in series...it would be parallel) isn't qualified to discuss the subject. If you think batteries are a big,heavy way to store energy, you ain't seen nothing till you come to capacitors.

      I ask again: where are these commercial fuel cells? How long does it take to build up mass in a new technology? I'm going to be using a Zimmer frame before these babies are parked at the mall in large numbers.

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    4. Re:Battery technology still a problem by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2

      What about a flywheel? (Instead of a capacitor)

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    5. Re:Battery technology still a problem by horza · · Score: 2

      Sorry if this sounds a bit sharp

      Feel free, I explained badly. I didn't mean literally a capacitor you find in Maplins. I meant in general terms some short term storage medium which I was hoping someone else would fill in.

      I ask again: where are these commercial fuel cells?

      Personally I'm looking forwards to one of these, though if you want to see where a lot of them are being used then the Ballard web site is a good place to start.

      How long does it take to build up mass in a new technology?

      The good thing about hydrogen is that it can be easily extracted from a number of sources and in a number of different ways. I've even seen a "hydrogen gas station in a box" for sale, where all you provide is water and electricity. This means a much lower barrier to building infrastructure, as opposed to a power source that is geographically limited and has to be securely transported.

      I'm going to be using a Zimmer frame before these babies are parked at the mall in large numbers.

      If you are in your 50s then probably. It will be at least 30 years (imho) before fuel cell cars start to outnumber petrol cars, and that's with governments taxing the hell out of petrol and imposing highly punative emissions fines. That's fine though, as we are stuck on this planet for a long time to come yet.

      Phillip.

  63. What about just *one* motor? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm surprised that no-one has pointed out that one of these motors, kicking out around 75hp, would power a small family car just fine. Using only one motor and a transaxle would probably let you fill the existing engine compartment and fuel tank areas with NiMH batteries, giving a Ford Fiesta/Escort sized car (small/mid family car) with reasonable around-town performance. You could also stick the 75hp motor and batteries in a Nissan Micra-sized car, for a small car that goes like hell... The standard, non-cat, carbie Micras have about 55-60hp, and the new shape ones are all about 50-55hp. 75hp and *no* noxious emissions would be pretty damn useful in something that weighs 550kg wet.

    1. Re:What about just *one* motor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But where do you put the batteries?

    2. Re:What about just *one* motor? by ComSon0 · · Score: 1

      The problem with this is the weight of the batteries. In order to keep the weight somewhat equivalent to gas cars and the same endurance "per charge", they made hybrids.

      A battery-only car to power 75hp would need, quite literraly, a shit load of batteried to have a 50miles radios.

      Ford had a limited production (for fleets only) electric Ranger. Don't quote me on this, but I think it only had a 60miles autonomy with an incredible motor/inverter.
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    3. Re:What about just *one* motor? by stuartkahler · · Score: 1

      Single motor designs require a transaxle feeding power to each wheel. This adds up front costs and maintenance down the road. Cheaper car designs are going to get rid of the steering column, transmission and axles. There are too many designs in cars that are based on using an internal combustion engine and mechanical linkages.
      Also, the motor doesn't just power the car, it also recovers energy by acting as the break while stopping. The whole vehicle needs to be energy efficient.

  64. What's up with the freakesh design? by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    It looks almost like it was designed as a lemosine or something, for carting around rich environmentalist actors :)

    That this can go 190 miles an hour isn't really that impressive, especialy given that it probably has motors on all 8(?!) of it's wheels.

    There are actualy a lot of niche electric cars for sale that will go pretty fast. Perhaps slashdot could look them up and do a comprehensive story.

    Oh wait, that would require real work, nevermind...

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    1. Re:What's up with the freakesh design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty darn impressive given the curb weight of over six tons. If it were actually in production and I had the money, I'd seriously consider buying one of these. The one spec I didn't see was charging time. Even if that was a bit long, this would still cover 90% of the diving I do with it's listed range at the listed speed.

  65. Re: tsarkon's BEAVER and HORSEpower vapors by longhairedgnome · · Score: 1

    fuck thats a long ass post

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  66. It's worse than that in the UK. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Example. If the limit is 40mph, it's pissing with rain, fog, ice and someone crashes while doing 25mph where the conditions would realistically determine 10mph or 15mph, it is still marked as a speed related incident, despite the fact that the limit for the stretch of road is 40mph.

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  67. And the point of this vehicle is? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, it's a 400kW vehicle. Why electric? 400kW is 400kW whether it's petrol or batteries. You still have to generate and store the energy so you're still throwing similar amounts of C02 into the atmosphere when you use it.

    So, at 400kW, I don't see the point of the thing. BioDiesel or methanol fuel cell based, I could see the point of.

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    1. Re:And the point of this vehicle is? by thesadmac · · Score: 1

      I beleive it is possible to generate power more 'cleanly' in large quntities in a power station than seperately by thousands of petrol engines. So while not a perfect solution, it's better than having all petrol driven cars.

      You also get the guarantee of having environmental controls for the power station's emissions, whereas your car can be a complete smog belcher and nobody can do anything about it.

    2. Re:And the point of this vehicle is? by tsphere · · Score: 1
      400kW is 400kW whether it's petrol or batteries.

      Wrong. Electric motors and internal combustion engines are rated for power differently. "Petrol" engines are rated for peak power delivery, whereas electrics are rated for something like their 80% duty cycle power. Anyway, the rating for an electric motor is much closer to the average power delivered over all speeds than that for a gasoline engine.

      Plus, the two types of locomotive devices have different power curves. Electrics deliver peak power at standstill (when it's noticeable) while gas engines have to wait until redline. Electic motors generally have more torque, too.

      In short, the performance claims are quite reasonable.

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    3. Re:And the point of this vehicle is? by MyHair · · Score: 1

      so you're still throwing similar amounts of C02 into the atmosphere

      Some places have nuclear power.

    4. Re:And the point of this vehicle is? by saskboy · · Score: 1

      I too don't see the point of a car that can break the speed limit by so much. I mean, what good is that anyway?

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  68. Google Cache... by Tidan · · Score: 1

    Here's the Google Cache, for when it dies

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  69. Collisions by agent0range_ · · Score: 1

    I hate to think what would a 3-ton vehicle would do in a collision at 300+ kph. Maybe all the extra passengers will cushion the impact.

    1. Re:Collisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The great thing about being in a 3-tonne vehicle in a collision is that it is the OTHER vehicle that gets crushed to mince (unless the other one weighs 3 tonnes too).

  70. I wonder if... by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

    I could use that car's battery for my laptop :D

    1. Re:I wonder if... by Qender · · Score: 1

      Just get a power inverter. Then you can run any 110 volt appliance off a 12volt battery.

    2. Re:I wonder if... by thesadmac · · Score: 1

      What about a 2 bar heater?

  71. Re: tsarkon's BEAVER and HORSEpower vapors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Pissing farting hissing cats. I like to lick cat anus and make lollipops soft in goat's asses then eat them when gummy. be sure to give that nice goat vagina with its hairy meaty folds a good lickin' before the stickin'.

    Anal Vapors II Part 1 Anal Vapors was bored. His life had fallen into a rut since he had moved into his country home and discovered his inner self through a series of laxatives which quickly turned his inner self into his outer self. He regularly hunted for people to bring back to his house for tortuous games, but even this, his favorite pastime, seemed to bring him no joy. Even his broomstick, it's flame so proud and domineering over vagina and anus seemed to burn with a dim and subdued glow. He was even no longer interested in the nipple collection he had thumbtacked on the walls. Life had fallen into a rut, and it seemed that there was no way out. One day, while Anal Vapors was moping around the house, occasionally stopping to suck feverish feces from the rats which were threatening to overrun his home, he found an ancient book of sorcery. He picked up the beshitted book and began to look through it. As he leafed through the tattered pages, an idea came to him. "Holy buttfuck, Batman, this is it!" he told the orally enemized rats. He sat down and continued to read. "'Yours is the power over time, space, and man. 'And women, children, and beasts," he said. Anal Vapors sat reading until well after dark. He learned of spells and incantations which would transform objects into various things. He turned to a rat, waved his hand and spoke, "O powers that are great and heinous, turn this rat into an anus. " POOF!An anus which appeared to be that of a goat or horse now lay in front of him. He looked at another rat and spoke, "O wind which carries the mighty bird, turn this rat into a turd. "POOF! A loaf of giant proportions sat where the rat was. Anal Vapors laughed and got up. The need to take a shit overpowered him, so he ran to the bathroom, carrying the book with him. As Anal Vapors sat and shat, he continued reading. He came to a section which greatly interested him. Fortunately, the incantation required the sorcerer to be "purging the bowels" for it to work. Anal Vapors began to recite, "Powers that be, great and small, stop jerking off and heed my call. . . . " Suddenly, he was interrupted by a rushing wind which picked him up and slammed him against the ceiling and dropped him. He fell back on the toilet and then slid off, causing the giant loaf looming halfway out of his anus to smear up his back. A giant face appeared above him. "You dare profane powers beyond your imagination!" the face boomed. "The scrolls require the spoken incantation to rhyme, not offend. You must be punished!"The face emitted a thunderous belch which cracked the walls and warped the floor. Strings of greenish saliva flowed onto Anal Vapors' body and began to eat into his flesh. The foul belch wind blinded him and rendered him virtually helpless. He rolled onto his stomach, and with the last of his strength, squeezed out a rancid fart. Brown, shit pellet-filled foam splattered the face, causing it to wrinkle. "Very well!" the face bellowed. "You may live. "In an instant, Anal Vapors was seated on the toilet, enjoying his dump. The face was now on an old man standing in front of him, leaning on a staff. He looked older than the book, or time itself. He motioned toward Anal Vapors, and the book floated through the air to him. He grabbed the book and watched Anal Vapors for a few more moments before speaking. "You really are a vulgar beast. I did not believe it when the others told me of your previous sorceries with this book, but now I have no doubt. This book binds powers that rule the universe. It is not to be used for such trivial creations. Now, tell me, what were you going to accomplish with that last foolish ranting?" "I was going to travel back in time a few million years and rape and pillage the dinosaurs. Then I was going to. . . " "Enough!" the old man interrupted. "You are much too foolish to keep this book. The one who had it before you feared it too much to use it, but you do not have such wisdom. However, since you did take possession of the book, you are entitled to discover its power for yourself. Considering this, I am going to grant a portion of your last request, and in return for granting you your life, I am keeping this book. I am going to send you back to the times in which this book was written. You will be free to do as you wish when you get there, but be warned, people there will not be as tolerable as they are now. When you wish to return to this time, you will have to go on a quest which will be revealed to you at that time. "As Anal Vapors watched, the old man waved his staff at him and mumbled something. Suddenly, a suctioning force from inside the toilet yanked the turd Anal Vapors had been fighting out of his anus. Anal Vapors tried to get off the toilet, but the suction was too great. He looked at the old man, who was standing with his arms folded and a satisfied smile on his face, in time to see him lift one leg and let out a thundering fart. Before his eyes, the old man dissolved into a wisp of brown fartgas which seeped through cracks in the floor and was gone. Anal Vapors continued to struggle against the toilet which now held him prisoner. Then the toilet began to grow. Soon the hole in the seat became too large for him to cover with his ass, so he lost his hold on the slippery porcelain and fell in. He went under and bobbed back up. He grabbed his giant turd, which was now the size of a torpedo, and held on to stay afloat. The interior of the toilet was now a raging whirlpool swirling around in a flushing motion. Anal Vapors held on to the turd for dear life afloat in a sea which resembled Cracker Jacks suspended in honey. As Anal Vapors swirled around with increasing speed, he looked up and saw his ceiling far above. Then the toilet lid slammed down as its contents flushed out and everything went black. Anal Vapors II Part 2 Anal Vapors woke up in the middle of a field. He stood up and looked around. A castle stood at the far edge of the field. Beyond that, mountains loomed in the distance. "I believe you have forgotten something," said a voice behind him. Anal Vapors turned to find the old man holding an object out to him. It was his broomstick, his most valued instrument of torture. He took it, and before he could speak, the old man lifted his leg, farted, and was gone. The only evidence that he was there at all was a shroud of fartgas which quickly dissipated in the gentle breeze. Anal Vapors started walking toward the castle since it seemed to be the nearest landmark. Soon, he came to a road which was heading in the general direction he was going, so he followed it. The castle was farther off than it had appeared at first, so progress was slow. Finally, he reached a fork where the main road bent left and a path leading directly to the castle was on the right. Anal Vapors took the path, and a short time later he arrived at the castle. The castle appeared to be abandoned. The drawbridge was down, but it was almost rotted completely away. The moat had gone dry, and Anal Vapors could see skeletons embedded in the mud. The outer wall had started to crumble, and plants had begun growing out of the cracks. As Anal Vapors looked around, he could see that the main road led to a village not too far away. He decided to check out the village before attempting to explore the castle. On the way to the village, Anal Vapors found a dead dog lying by the road. It had been a large dog in life, and in death, its body was bloated to twice its normal size. Its skin pulsated slightly, indicating that a mass of maggots were churning away inside, and a foul smelling discharge was coming out of its mouth. When Anal Vapors nudged it in the stomach with his foot, the rotten skin gave away, and his boot sank into the soft interior. When he removed his foot, fetid intestines covered with maggots oozed out. Realizing he was hungry, Anal Vapors bent down and grabbed a handful of throbbing entrails and stuffed it into his mouth. It was delicious; the guts melted in his mouth. He quickly went about gobbling up the rest of the carcass. The decaying flesh came apart easily as he tore into the juicy interior. "You got enough of that to share?" inquired an unfamiliar voice behind him. Anal Vapors turned to see a short black man standing nearby looking at him. He had a small flock of sheep a short distance away. "I don't know," Anal Vapors replied. He pointed to the sheep. "You got some of that to share?" The man laughed. "I know what you mean. Good pussy's hard to find these days. Not that I have to worry. I could maybe fix you up in return for some food. " "I could live with that," Anal Vapors said. He thrust his hand into the dog and pulled out a lung with the heart and trachea attached and tossed it to him. "By the way, I'm Horace. Friends call me Rod the Sheep Reamer. Who are you?" Anal Vapors stopped chewing on the piece of dog bladder he was eating and looked at the man. "You want to know or stay alive?" he asked. "I'll live," the man replied nervously. He reached over and pulled off a dog leg and they ate in silence. After the meal, the man led Anal Vapors to his flock. "Pick out whichever one you want," he said. "I got young virgin wool and old loose wool you can crawl inside of. "He walked over to a young ewe. "This one here's my baby. "In a flash, he had his pants down and off. "I'm gonna break her seal. "He went behind the sheep and thrusted his stiffened love club home. Blood burst out of the sheep's vagina as her cherry popped. Anal Vapors watched him service the sheep until climax time, at which he fired a jizz stream onto the beast's hindquarters. He took the tattered sheep hymen and stuffed it into his mouth, looked over at Anal Vapors, and said, "Your turn. " Anal Vapors looked over the flock until he found a sheep that looked desirable. He walked over to the sheep and straddled it in a reverse riding position. Then he took his sandpaper-coated broomstick and rammed it half its length into the sheep's anus. The sheep cried out in pain and tried to get away, but Anal Vapors pressed his knees together to hold it in place. He began to undulate with the stick, ramming it farther in each time. Soon, he was using the entire length of the broomstick. The sheep died a short time later, but Anal Vapors held it upright between his legs and kept plugging away. Finally, when Anal Vapors was finished, he allowed the dead sheep to fall down. He removed his broomstick from the sheep's gored anus and knelt down and stuck his arm in up to just past the elbow. He pulled out the stomach with a short length of intestine. He put the end of the intestine in his mouth and squeezed the stomach and drank deeply of its contents. When finished, he wiped his mouth with his sleeve and said, "Sex always makes me thirsty. " The man, stunned by what he had just witnessed, started to gather his remaining sheep and move on quietly. Anal Vapors turned and started walking toward the village. "Hey mister," the man called. "Don't go there. It's poison. "Anal Vapors did not turn around and kept walking, so the man shrugged his shoulders, finished gathering his sheep, and started in a different direction, thankful to be alive. When Anal Vapors first arrived at the village, it appeared to be deserted. Then, as he continued walking, he saw an old woman sitting beside a building. She was licking the sores on a mangy dog. When she looked up and saw Anal Vapors, she smiled and winked and started licking a polyp on the dog's anus. As Anal Vapors continued through the village, he saw out of the corner of his eyes people watching him through windows and doorways. Neither he nor they spoke. He saw smoke rising behind one building and went around to investigate. He found a large pit which appeared to be used for burning bodies. He decided that it would be best to go back to the castle at least for a while to wait for another pile of bodies to build up. Then he would be back. He arrived back at the castle as the sun was setting. He carefully crossed the rotten drawbridge and was inside. In the gloomy, cobweb-filled interior, he could make out several sets of fresh footprints in the dust. Very good, he thought. At least there was a food supply here. He found his way up to the top level and stood watching the night approach. This place wasn't so bad. He would wait to explore the castle until morning, so he laid down and was soon asleep. The next morning, Anal Vapors woke up refreshed and ready to explore the castle. He got up and walked over to the wall and watered the vegetation below. After he was finished, he grabbed his broomstick and headed inside to look around. Some portions of the castle had deteriorated badly. Anal Vapors found several hallways which were blocked due to collapsed walls and ceilings. One such blockage was found at the stairway which led to the lower dungeon. This disappointed Anal Vapors, since he wanted to see what instruments of torture were on hand. In another collapsed section, he saw a skeletal hand poking out of the rubble. As he stood looking at the wreckage, he heard a noise behind him. He whirled around, swinging his broomstick, and struck a boy in the side of the head. The boy fell against the wall with blood pouring out of a cut above his temple. Anal Vapors grabbed the boy by the hair and jerked him to his feet. "Who are you?" he yelled into the boy's face. When the boy did not answer, Anal Vapors slapped him. "Talk to me, boy or I'll be eating your eyeballs after I slam you up the ass with this. "He held his broomstick up for the boy to see. The boy still did not speak, however. Instead he pointed to his throat and shook his head. "Can't talk eh?Well let's see if you can scream when I check if your asshole will accommodate my fist. " He pulled the boy over to a pile of rubble, sat down, and put the boy over his knee. He was fumbling with the boy's pants when a rock hit him in the head, temporarily stunning him. "Run!" another child yelled. The boy got of Anal Vapors' lap and ran. Anal Vapors came to in time to see him disappear around a corner. "I'll have your spleen, you little shit!"Anal Vapors got up and ran after the boy. He followed the boy through several hallways, down a short flight of stairs, and into a room where there was no other exit. "Come here, I want to show you something," he said as he approached the boy. Then something hit him in the back of the head, and everything went black again. Anal Vapors II Part 3 "Where do you think he came from?" "His clothes are not like any I have seen. " "Does he have the plague?" "I cannot tell, but we should kill him and burn him to be safe. Don't touch his skin. " Anal Vapors heard the discussion going on about him, but it sounded as if he was hearing it through a long tunnel. He had to be dreaming, since he could not move. Someone walked over and kicked him. "Wake up, beggar!" a man shouted as he kicked Anal Vapors. "We must talk. "Anal Vapors came around slowly, and when he was fully awake, he realized that he was tied up with some strong rope. He looked up and saw 6 people-1 boy, 1 girl, 2 men, and 2 women. The man who kicked him appeared to be the youngest. The boy he had hit now had a piece of cloth around his head. Anal Vapors still had a headache from being hit himself. The man pulled him up to a sitting position and moved him to where he could lean against the wall and see everyone. "Is it customary in your land to treat people so cruelly?" he asked. "Do you hit and abuse those you do not know or with whom you have no argument?" "Water. . . ," Anal Vapors replied. A bucket of water was dumped in his face. "You will answer our questions," the older man said. "We are trying to decide whether or not you should live. " "The little shit sneaked up on me. How did I know that he wasn't going to kill me?I was just protecting myself," Anal Vapors said. "But yet when you saw that it was just a boy behind you, you still tried to do him great harm. For that, you must be punished. " Anal Vapors smiled at them, shifted to one side, and let loose a mighty fart which was fully a minute in duration. Waves of shitstink emanated from his anus and penetrated every corner of the room. The fire in the fireplace died from lack of oxygen, and everyone in the room began to feel faint. First the women, and then the children fell over unconscious. Then Anal Vapors went over on his side. "Quick, son, let's get them out," croaked the older man while fighting back a bout of nausea. They dragged everyone except Anal Vapors out. "Let him rot in there," the man said when they were all clear. As soon as he was sure everybody was gone, Anal Vapors, unharmed by his own fartgas, opened his eyes. Using the wall behind him, he pushed himself to his feet and hopped over to a table, where a large knife was stuck. He sat down on the table and backed up to the knife. A short time later, his hands were free. He then took the knife and cut his leg ropes most of the way through. He put the knife back where he found it and hopped back to his place by the wall. He put his hands behind his back and laid back down and pretended to sleep. They were all going to get a surprise when they returned. "I think we can go back in now," said the older man an hour later. "It still stinks in there, but I want to go in and finish the business with him. I am not going to allow him to corrupt our home like that again. " Anal Vapors heard approaching footsteps, so he prepared to make his move when he got the opportunity. That opportunity came quickly. As soon as they entered the room, the younger man went directly over to Anal Vapors and grabbed his hair and pulled out a handful. "Wake up, you miserable beast. You. . . "He had leaned down to where his face was near Anal Vapors' own. In an instant, Anal Vapors had one hand behind the man's head, preventing escape. With the other hand, he poked his index finger one of the man's eyesockets and scooped out the eyeball. He placed his mouth over the empty eyesocket in a perverted kissing position and sucked out a mouthful of brain. The man, who was screaming, suddenly stopped and went limp. Anal Vapors put the eyeball in his mouth and chewed it up with the brain in his mouth. Then he walked over to the younger woman, who was watching him with wide-eyed disbelief, and spat the mixture into her face. The older man went for the knife on the table, but Anal Vapors caught the movement out of the corner of his eye. He grabbed the man, bit his nose off, and threw him against the wall, where he lay unconscious. He went over to the table, got the knife, and approached the women. "You bitches aren't going to try anything, now are you?" he said after spitting the nose out. "I hope not. That would spoil my plans for you. "The younger woman started screaming hysterically, so Anal Vapors slapped her. "You want to keep quiet, bitch. "He grabbed the girl. "And I'm going to teach you not to throw rocks. "He backed up from the group and lifted his leg in order to launch another oxygen-depriving fart. He delivered and stood back in the doorway, blocking any escape. A short time later, everyone in the room was unconscious from the vile stench of the fart. Anal Vapors went to work tying everyone up except the dead man. A short time later, the women and children woke up to find themselves naked and suspended by their hands from the ceiling. The dead man had not been moved, and the other man was laying on his back on the table with his hands and feet tied to the table legs. He was not awake yet, but already appeared to be having trouble breathing through the remains of his nose. Anal Vapors was nowhere to be seen. Anal Vapors was on the roof of the castle watching a nun riding a mule approaching the castle. He had come up here to look down on the village and try to see if bodies were still being burned in the pit. He had seen the nun leave town on the road and became extremely curious when she turned toward the castle. He headed downstairs thinking about how he would entertain this guest. Anal Vapors entered the room where he had his prisoners. He walked up to the younger woman. "A nun is coming here. Why?" The woman refused to answer. Instead, she spat in his face. Anal Vapors slapped her hard and said, "Let's see if I can loosen your tongue for now. "He reached over and grabbed the boy's genitals and twisted, causing him to moan. "Alright!Stop it. I'll talk," she said. "Sister Mary comes now and then to minister to us and give the children reading lessons. " "Don't you do her any harm," the old woman warned. "I wouldn't think of it," Anal Vapors replied as he left the room. He got to the front gateway just as the elderly nun was arriving at the drawbridge. She dismounted and tied her mule to a post and then crossed the bridge. She did not see Anal Vapors until she was all the way across and nearly bumped into him. "Oh!Hello. I didn't see you there," she said. "Why, hello sister. It is good to see you," Anal Vapors replied smiling. "I don't think I know you young man. You just move in with the Grogans?" "Who?. . . Oh yeah. . . The Grogans. Such a pleasant family. I am a cousin. Cousin Anal Vapors. " "What?I don't think I. . . " "Get in here, bitch!I am going to sprinkle you with some holy water. "Anal Vapors grabbed her and pulled her behind him as he went to a room in a different section of the castle than the one where the family was held. Once in the room, which had been a kitchen, he stripped her and hung her by her hands from a hook in the ceiling. Other objects in the room included an iron pump set in the floor and a giant bellows which was used to stoke the cooking fires. "I found this stuff just a little while ago, and I was going to save it for the others, but I think you are more deserving. "He took the bellows over to the pump and filled it with water. Then he inserted its foot-long nozzle into the woman's anus. "You're looking a bit irregular, but we'll fix that," he said. He started squeezing the bellows, forcing water into her rectum. She started to scream. "Oh, come on, baby. You know you want it. "He emptied the bellows and pulled it out to refill it. When he did, feces-ridden water gushed out of her anus. "Now we can't have that," he said. He picked up a broken table leg and used it to stop the flow, causing the nun to scream louder. He refilled his enema applicator and returned to continue the enema. Her belly, which had begun to distend during Round 1, bulged even further. Then, her screams were suddenly replaced by gurgles. Anal Vapors looked up in time to see her spit out a few bile-covered turds and then water. Some small turdlets poked out of her nose. Again, he had to stop and refill. This time he jammed in the buttplug, but instead of refilling immediately, he took a piece of her clothing and tied it around her head and under her chin, forcing her mouth shut. He refilled and went back to work. The turdlets shot out of her nose followed by more water. A short time later, the nun drowned and stopped resisting. When Anal Vapors stopped for the next refill, he took some pieces of cloth, wadded them up, and stuffed them into her nose to plug the leaks. Then he refilled and began Round 4. A few moments later, he could hear a low popping sound as her intestines burst under the pressure. Her stomach kept bulging further and began to take on a cone shape with her bellybutton at its peak. Finally, with a meaty plop, her navel split and water gushed through. Anal Vapors went around front and eagerly drank of the bloody water spraying from her ruptured abdomen. After the water fountain died down, he cut down her body down and peed on it because he felt it was the right thing to do. Anal Vapors II Part 4 The old woman was dead. The strain of the past few hours was too much for her. She had high blood pressure before, and the stress she felt on this day caused it to skyrocket. This, in turn, was too much for the delicate blood vessels in her bountiful crop of hemorrhoidal tissue. These blood vessels began bursting, one by one, until a profuse flow of blood coursed down her legs. After this started, it did not take her long to bleed to death. The remaining man, woman, and the children mourned her death the best they could under the circumstances. The low murmur of voices stopped when a blood spattered Anal Vapors entered the room. Without a word, Anal Vapors strode up to the table, climbed on it, dropped his pants, squatted over the man's face, and shat a steaming pile on it. The gooey feces were soft enough to cover the man's face, but not so runny that he could breathe. He could not shake the brown coating off, so he suffocated beneath it. Anal Vapors pulled up his pants when he was done and got off the table. Then he noticed the old woman's condition. "Hmmm. What a shame. Such a nice old hag," he lamented. He walked over to the fireplace and built up the fire. Then he took the knife out of his waistband and stuck the blade into the coals. He went behind the old woman and ripped off a chunk of hemorrhoidal tissue and then went over to the table and untied the man, holding his meal in his mouth as he did so. He pushed the body off the table and sat down and ate. The woman and children watched in horror. After Anal Vapors finished his dinner, he got up and walked over to the woman. He lightly ran his long dirty fingernails over her breasts and was surprised to see her nipples swell and harden. "Is baby looking for a special surprise?" Anal Vapors asked in a husky whisper. He took some ropes and tied them from her feet to rings in the floor. Then he went to his knees. He parted her pubic hairs with his thumbs and let his tongue do its magic. In a very short time, her clitoris was hard and throbbing. He continued his cunnilingual encounter until she was ready to be finished off. Then he reached over and grabbed the knife, its blade glowing bright red. He pressed the blade against her entire vulva, and the woman let out a piercing scream. The aroma of burning flesh and hair became overpowering as her skin beneath the knife fried and bubbled with blisters. When he removed the knife, her entire genital area was a raw bleeding mass of burnt flesh. He looked over at the children, who were trembling and crying, and smiled. "It's getting dark in here," he said. "I think we need to light a candle. "He went across the room and picked up a lamp. "These things just don't enough light though. "He approached the children and tied their feet down as he had done their mother. Then he opened the lamp and poured some oil into his cupped palm. He applied a generous amount of oil to the boy's genitals and said, "You're my candle, and I'm going to light your wick, and we'll see if you can't talk. "The mother and girl started begging him to stop. "The fun's only starting," he said and picked up a sliver of wood burning at one end. He held up the wood so everyone could see and then lit his candle. Instantly, the boy's screams joined those of his mother. His penis turned black and then split like a roasting hot dog. His bag overheated and exploded. The boy passed out from the pain, and a short time later, the candle burned out and its wick fell off like cigarette ash. Anal Vapors watched all this with amusement. "I knew he would talk if he had a reason," he said. When it was over, he said, "That's one thing I don't like about those candles. They don't last long. Oh well, now its your turn little missy. "He picked up his knife and made a cut all the way around the girls' leg at the ankle then he cut the skin up the back of her leg up to her buttock. Her cries of pain and agony were added to the woman's. He repeated this procedure with the other leg. Then he started to peel the skin from her legs. She also quickly passed out from the pain. He continued until both of her legs were completely skinned. He then sat down and waited for the children to wake up. A while later, the children regained consciousness. Once they did, they started crying and screaming from the pain. With their mother, they made a 3-piece crying/screaming symphony. Anal Vapors looked very happy. "Now, my friends, it's time for my closing act. "He got his broomstick from where it was standing in a corner and began to coat it with lamp oil. "This is my best friend," he said as he continued to coat it. "I am going to introduce each one of you to him. Who's first?"He turned an ear to their cries. "I think I'll start with you," he said indicating the boy. "You got me into this mess, and I want your mommy to watch you play with my friend. "When he was satisfied with the oil coating on the broomstick, he walked over to the fireplace and lit it. He took this torch, walked behind the boy and plunged his flaming arrow deep into enema territory. The boy, who was already screaming at the top of his lungs, was completely helpless. He screamed until his voice was gone and kept trying anyway. Anal Vapors' broomstick raged in and out of his anus. It burned and tore its way past all barriers, and all too soon, the boy was dead, with a huge bleeding stinking hole where his untampered anus had once been. Anal Vapors continued until the fire on his broomstick went out. "Who's next?" he asked. "I think it's your turn again, missy. I've even got something to make your playtime extra special. "He went over to a jar and opened it and took out 2 handfuls of salt. He went over to the girl and coated her legs with it, giving them their own fire. She continued screaming, since she had not stopped since she had woke up. Soon, her voice was gone and nothing came out but harsh whispers. Anal Vapors recoated his broomstick with oil and lit it. Then his anus-seeking missile found its target on the girl. He got so eager with his broomstick that he rammed it all the way through the girl and out her stomach. She died a short time later, but that did not stop Anal Vapors from working on her until his broomstick went out again. "You had some good kids there," Anal Vapors said to the woman. He grabbed one of her nipples and tore it off. He examined it for a moment and liked it so much that he tore her other nipple off. Nipples in hand, he went over to the boy's body and stuck them on his unseeing eyes. Then he coated his broomstick, lit it, and went to work on her already burned genitals. It took her a while to die. In fact, the broomstick's flame died before she did. Anal Vapors broomsticked her late into the night. When he finally finished, he laid down in the midst of all the human destruction and slept. . Anal Vapors II Part 5 The next morning, Anal Vapors woke up completely refreshed and hungry. He got up, scratched his balls, and then picked up his knife. After taking a moment to decide who he wanted for breakfast, he went over to where the little girls' body hung. He stuck the knife into her chest and made a deep cut down to her genitals. Chunks of partially clotted blood and remnants of devastated internal organs fell out and onto the floor. Anal Vapors scooped up various bits and pieces, including a length of intestine and sat down to have breakfast. He was pleased to see that flies were coming in to lay eggs on the bodies. That way, they would bloat and become havens for millions of maggots, which would be enough to keep him fed for a few weeks. After a satisfying breakfast, Anal Vapors got up and let out a nice long belch to relieve some of the pressure built up in his full stomach. Then he decided to give the town a better look, so he picked up his broomstick and walked outside. At the drawbridge entrance, he found the nun's mule still tied where she left it. Anal Vapors took his broomstick and rammed it into the mule's side since going for its anus would most likely result in a nasty kick. The mule brayed its protest and turned away from Anal Vapors and nearly took his head off with a kick. Enraged, Anal Vapors left the broomstick in the mule's side and pulled the knife. He proceeded to stab the mule numerous times until it died and fell over, at which time he started using his broomstick to stab it. Then he stomped it, jumped on it, and rolled around in the gory mess, all the time snarling like a rabid dog. Finally, when he tired of this game, he picked up his knife and broomstick and headed for town. At first glance, the town appeared to be deserted as before. However, some signs of life were seen as Anal Vapors walked past some of the buildings. The old woman he saw before was at the same place , still licking her dog's mange sores. This time, the dog's flesh appeared to be rotting and hanging down in gangrenous tatters. In these places, a thick syrupy greenish brown pustulant discharge flowed freely, and the woman was doing her best to keep all of it licked off the dog. As Anal Vapors walked by, she looked at him, and he could see that her face was also starting to rot and peel. He kept walking and headed in the direction of the burial pit. On the way to the pit, severe abdominal cramps struck Anal Vapors. He recognized this as the familiar signal that a massive shit was in the works, so he started walking quickly toward an outhouse he spotted. He stepped inside, undoing his pants as he did so. All of a sudden, the rotten floor gave under his weight and he fell through. He found himself submerged chest deep in some of the foulest smelling shit he had ever seen. Just taking in a small breath of this air made his greasy hair stand on end. Upon further investigation, he saw that the shit pool was infested with rectal worms. He could feel them trying to get into his pants and invade his rectum, but since he had a good size herd of his own grazing within the confines of his anal sphincter, he decided to get out as soon as he could. When he climbed out and got outside, he noticed a giant tapeworm wrapped around his ankle and trailing back into the outhouse. He grabbed it and bit it in half and threw it down. He had no way of knowing that by falling into the shithole, he had exposed himself to the deadly virus that was claiming townspeople's lives. He shook the runny shit off like a dog and headed for the pit. At the pit, there were some people with wagons loaded with bodies wrapped in sheets. They were throwing these bodies into the pit to be burned. Anal Vapors walked up to a wagon, pulled a body to the ground, and started to unwrap it. "Hey mister, I wouldn't do that," a man warned. "Them people died of the plague. " Anal Vapors looked at him and said nothing. Then he went back to unwrapping the body. The people who were there scattered. "He's going to kill himself and the rest of us," the man said. When Anal Vapors had the body unwrapped, he examined it for a moment. It was a young woman whose face was covered with a green slime. When Anal Vapors pressed on her stomach, more of this fluid came out of her mouth and nose. He leaned over her face and licked it clean. Not bad, he thought, so he rewrapped her body, grabbed another one, and headed home with a body on each shoulder. He decided to come back in a few days for more. Nobody tried to stop him as he left town with his prize. Once back to the castle, Anal Vapors laid his new additions to his corpse collection on the table. He removed the wrappings to reveal the woman's body and the body of an old man. More of the green discharge had leaked out of them during the trip, and it still oozed out and collected on the table. When Anal Vapors drove his fist into the man's stomach, a fountain of barf/pus shot up and splattered on the ceiling. Anal Vapors was very impressed. He took his knife and cut the man open. All of his internal organs had taken on this odd green tint. He cut into them and found that they all contained the fluid. In the lungs, the green discharge had mixed with the thick lung phlegm. Anal Vapors scooped this out by the handful and had lunch. When he was done, he cut open the woman's body and ate her lung phlegm. By the time he was finished cutting on the bodies, the entire floor of the room had a thin coating of green slime along with various other bodily discharges and debris from the day before. Feeling fulfilled, Anal Vapors pushed the bodies off the table and laid down for a nap. Anal Vapors had a dream. He was back in the city walking the streets looking for a victim. Then he stopped, clicked his heels together and said, "There's no place like the anus. "Next thing he knew, he was jumping up and down on a pogo stick. Oddly, he was not going anywhere and he could hear a suctioning slurping sound, so he looked down and saw that the end of the pogo stick was moving in and out of the anus of a fat retard. He was having spasmodic convulsions which were in time with the pogo stick motion. Then the retard looked back at Anal Vapors, and he could see the retard's oversized tongue pulsating because of a mass of maggots under its surface. As Anal Vapors watched, a large vagina appeared in the retard's back and spewed yeast infected menses all over him. The menses that covered him turned green and started to burn. He opened his mouth to scream, but nothing came out but more green menses. Then the retard farted and Anal Vapors burst into flame and exploded. Anal Vapors woke up shivering. The light in the room was getting dim, indicating that he had slept for several hours. He went over to the fireplace to build a fire and found that he was beginning to feel weak and feverish. He ate the children's bladders for dinner, but he still felt weak, so he laid back down for some more tormented sleep. Several hours later, Anal Vapors woke up burning with fever and severe abdominal cramps. He knew he was not going to make it far before the shit began to fly, so he went over to a corner in the room to satisfy the demands of his distended colon. He barely got his pants down in time before his raging case of the dribbling shits began. A large loaf was propelled out of his anus with great force by the shitfluid behind it.

  72. Re:From the wheels that slip to the wheels that gr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Traction distribution system....

    One motor per wheel... In-hub design.
    Each motor is 55kW

  73. Economies of scale by mks113 · · Score: 1

    The larger the energy producer (converter, actually) the more efficient the process can be.

    Automobile engines are responsible for horrendous amounts of pollution. If all that power were produced in one place much better emission controls could be put on them. Of course if the power was generated by nuclear,hydro, wind, solar, etc, greenhouse gasses would not be an issue.

    Michael

  74. It still lacks on the most important aspect by laoman · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's range. 300 Km when running at a constant 100 Km/h speed. I wonder how much range it has under normal conditions (going 100-120 in the highway, 0-60 in the city). 150-200 Km perhaps? That's not good enough :-(

    My dad's Passat 1.9TDI does 1000 Km under normal conditions, with just 55 litres of diesel. I know. I've measured it.

    I've read a few IEEE articles on EVs in the past, and range seems to be their major problem right now. Also, Lithium batteries tend to die every couple of years and need to be replaced (too expensive).

  75. Expensive ... but mostly impractical by jimfrost · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's nice that the car is fast, but really the performance if EVs is limited to power output, not technology. If you want a really fast EV use more or more powerful batteries or shed weight ... no surprises there, and no funky new technology needed. We can make an EV as fast as an IC car without a lot of trouble, but it won't have much range.

    In my mind the practicality of these vehicles, independent of cost, revolves around the range versus recharge cycle. If it takes more than a few minutes to do a recharge, and the range is less than a thousand miles, then they're just not good enough for a general-purpose vehicle.

    This is why hybrids are interesting ... recharge cycle is a tank fill.

    What I'm waiting for is someone to look at making a hybrid where the engine is always on, always producing power, but the generator is producing a bit more power than the thing normally will need and charging a capacitor stack rather than batteries. That gives you acceleration (for awhile) but is much lighter and cheaper than batteries and since the engine is operating efficiently all the time, and requires quite a bit less power than if it were producing motive power directly (eg a few hundred cc ought to do a pretty good job) it should still be more efficient.

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    1. Re:Expensive ... but mostly impractical by Icculus · · Score: 1
      What I'm waiting for is someone to look at making a hybrid where the engine is always on, always producing power, but the generator is producing a bit more power than the thing normally will need and charging a capacitor stack rather than batteries. That gives you acceleration (for awhile) but is much lighter and cheaper than batteries and since the engine is operating efficiently all the time, and requires quite a bit less power than if it were producing motive power directly (eg a few hundred cc ought to do a pretty good job) it should still be more efficient.

      Agreed. I've been throwing around napkin designs in my head about applying this general design to a tractor-trailer setup. A high-efficiency diesel generator charging a cap or battery bank. Eletric motors offer peak torque from a standstill which would likely appeal to truckers, plus no maze of gears to row through. Regen braking would be nice for traversing mountainous routes. Probably quieter overall too. Why hasn't anyone done this yet?
    2. Re:Expensive ... but mostly impractical by ComSon0 · · Score: 1

      The solution for this has already been found, it is in heavy development and it also has a very promissing practical use:

      Fuel Cells!!

      Literally, it's the only "real" solution to IC engines with very harmless byproducts.

      check out www.evworld.com They have some good details

    3. Re:Expensive ... but mostly impractical by KevetS · · Score: 1

      Expensive AND Impractical?? Where do I sign up?
      I might be able to finally one-up all of those 'ballers' with their giant SUV's and bling-bling 24" rims! HOLLA!

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  76. Who holds back the electric car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    We do!

  77. Might as well throw in a link to their homepage by AppyPappy · · Score: 2

    Oh yeah. Let's just stomp that sumbich flat.

    Pretty cool ride but I don't see the use unless they can start making CHEAP EFFICIENT solar systems. Of course, I should probably just ask Santa for a pony because I am more likely to get that down my chimney that effective solar power with oil and coal so CLEAN.

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    1. Re:Might as well throw in a link to their homepage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Pretty cool ride but I don't see the use unless they can start making CHEAP EFFICIENT solar systems. Of course, I should probably just ask Santa for a pony because I am more likely to get that down my chimney that effective solar power with oil and coal so CLEAN.

      Well, here, have some corn seeds. They're a bit slow to generate, but in the fall you can extract the corn oil and use that in a fuel cell.

  78. no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the car is that on the fotos
    http://web.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~hiros/kaz/pict.h tml
    it wouldnt get 180MILES/h even if it had a rocket engine. thats 288km/h and thats the average speed of formula 1 racing cars... so

    1. Re:no way by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2

      Why not?
      Perhaps you are confusing top speed with acceleration?

  79. In other news, Madison WI is the best Hybrid markt by PurplePhase · · Score: 1
    No references to back it up, but I was just looking at the 27 affiliate's home page and saw this story.

    :PP

  80. man you guys reading this? by lingqi · · Score: 2
    Power 85.8 kw / 115.1 bhp @ combined rpm
    Torque 465.05 nm / 343.0 ft lbs @ combined rpm

    heh... that's more torque than most truck engines, actually =).

    i guess this really confirms the rumor that the electric motor on the prius is so powerful (torque-wise) that they had to tone it down a bit to get reasonable (as in, slow-ish 8-10s) acceleration times (and reasonable fuel economy -- after all it's supposed to be a gas-sipping car). and remember, that torque is available at any rpm.

    I would not be surprised that an eletric-motor assisted car would do better than a straight int.comb. engine car (if you can save the weight on the batteries, say, use ultra-caps or something)... This is true *especially* in acceleration, which in any race that involves actually turning, would be one of the, if not the most important stat (while braking into a turn, your engine is still redlined and charging up the capacitors for that speedy exit)

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    1. Re:man you guys reading this? by Locutus · · Score: 2

      yeah, I wish Totota let a bit more current to those electric motors off the line. Not so much for me( right ) but for those who find it not quick enough. When the Prius starts on a cold morning, they keep the gas engine running in a special mode to get efficient ASAP. During this time, they let more amps to the electric motors and it does have a bit more gitty yup. The silent acceleration is a kick after years of always hearing a gas engine roaring. Hearing an engine crank seems strange now... :)

      Maybe the next Toyota hybrids will have an option for a little more battery for a little more gitty yup.

      LoB

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  81. Performance Check.. by hugesmile · · Score: 1

    How fast will it go when you push it off a cliff?

  82. Re:Umm..... right ; (8 wheels) by krygny · · Score: 1

    "And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?"

    There are probably 5,000 pounds of batteries and dual titanium I-beams (RAMMING SPEED!!) running the length of the chassis to support them.

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  83. Lost in space by fritz1968 · · Score: 1

    Is it me, or does this car look like a modern version of the land rover from Lost in Space?

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  84. Better Alternative - The Air Car by Pratip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the Air car has a better chance of working, not only due to cost, but the licensing model as well. They will grow through selling the factories, not the cars. Check the website to see how many licenses have been sold.

    None in North america, 40 in China alone. http://www.theaircar.com

    1. Re:Better Alternative - The Air Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Every engineer I've talked to about it has sounded worried about the 300 bar pressure that the tanks are stored under. That's a lot of pressure -- more than scuba gear tanks, which even the people who do scuba try to avoid keeping in their cars whenever possible, because the explosion hazard if one does go up is just horrible.

      I really like the idea, but I'm not sure it's overly safe. Also, the cars on the site are optimized for in town driving -- according to their charts, you get less than 1/2 the range when driving at fast highway speeds (say, 100km/hr).

      A fuel-efficient car can drive for 600km or so without refueling -- the air cars get at most 300km, and gasoline fueling stations are far more common than "quick charge" stations, so in practice, you probably shouldn't venture more than 150 km from your home (where you can set up a slow charge), a friend's home (who'll let you borrow electricty for a slow charge), or a city with a high-speed charge station. And since that's the range at 50km/hr, it will take you 3hrs to limp back if you're down to half-way and 150 km out.

      In short, I don't think the tech is there yet. I just drove back with my friends from Edmonton, Alberta to Kitchener, Ontario -- it was a bit more than two days of non-stop driving, pausing only to refuel, and change drivers so the previous driver could sleep. There's no way I could have made that trip in an air car -- it simply doesn't have the range to make it across some of the more desolate sections of the praries, even assuming charge stations in every major town along the way.

      In short, it's a nice idea, but the pressure is dangerous, and the range is still too limited.
      It's also much better suited to densely populated areas (like, say, China),than sparsely populated areas with people living clustered together in big cities (like, say, Canada or the US).

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    2. Re:Better Alternative - The Air Car by Brother+Fjordhr · · Score: 1


      Read the FAQ on this air car, 50 mile range at real speeds and about $2 for a refill. This has no advantages over Direct Injection Diesel. And. is still limited by range (the bane of nearly all alternative fuel vehicles).

      It does have an advantage over electrics in that there are no batteries. The batteries used in electrics are; unsafe, heavy, very expensive to both charge and replace, and need frequent replacement. Yes, I have built and owned an electric car.

      One other area that the air car has an advantage over the electric car may be cold weather operation. Conventional batteries loose a large amount of their storage capacity in cold weather, making the poor range even worse. In theory, air tanks increase their storage capacity when cold.

      IN general, the air car is interesting as an alternative to the electric car. But it is still not a reasonable alternative to a TDI.

    3. Re:Better Alternative - The Air Car by johnty · · Score: 1
      the 'Family' model:

      "A spacious car with seats that can face different directions, so that the parents can watch their children while they drive along."

      hmmm.... thats a new idea....
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  85. Mikie's *NEW* New Car! by jpellino · · Score: 2

    "Three words, Sully - Eight Wheel Drive!"

    OK - I get superb cornering in my front wheel drive, four wheels on the ground Neon. So does the Skip Barber racing school. 8?

    Why 8? You have to be adding all the inefficiencies of all the wheels when you add wheels. Granted some of us can't live without a dualie or full-time all-wheel drive, but we're also willing to live with the slight inefficiency.

    Maybe it's still more efficient than an 8-wheel or maybe a 4-wheel IC engine and traditional transmission and transfer cases, but it can't be more efficient than a 4-wheel electric with a motor on two wheels, and I can't imagine steering all those wheels is a trivial problem for engineering the steering.

    (Footnote - go read up on the transfer of Paul MacCready's electric car to GM ("We can't put a motor on each wheel. What if one fails? The thing'll do donuts!" Never mind that many IC motor mount failures will collapse the nearby wheel assembly to the same effect...)

    Geez - the guys at Pep Boys battery & tire dept. will drool and throw a rod when they see this thing limping in once a year...

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    1. Re:Mikie's *NEW* New Car! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One bonus to this 8-wheel drive, motor-in-the-wheel approach is that everyone you pass can see how rich you are (and you don't need a badge on the back saying 8WD). Surely, that's got to be worth something?

  86. UNTIL..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Oil and Natural resources companies buy the patent murder the inventors and get a hand shake from the govt for almost ruining there fuel tax.

  87. redirs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    for that dms, xboxnews.cjb.net and popewax.com/carlos are redirs

  88. Isn't that a good way? by hansg · · Score: 1

    But, isn't that a good way of marking accidents?

    If the accident was caused by the speed, mark it as a speed related accident (even if the speed was lower than the limit).
    If it was caused by alcohol, mark it as alcohol related (even if the speed was higher than the speed limit).

    Then the statistic would really mean something.

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  89. Good logic... by BaconLT · · Score: 1
    I think everyone should be driving drunk and we'd see a large decrease in the number of auto deaths.

    That's like carrying a bomb in a briefcase on a plane because it's so statistically rare that anyone actually does has a bomb, given the set of all flights. Wouldn't it be twice as unlikely for there to be TWO bombs on the plane? you're scott free!

    Actually, they're two statistically independent events, and one doesn't reduce the likelihood of the other happening. So, go ahead, drive drunk... that'll thin out the gene pool a bit of people who think that drinking and driving saves lives.

    Bring a bomb on a plane, too... you might make the news.

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    1. Re:Good logic... by GMontag451 · · Score: 2
      You see that "Funny" moderation on the comment? Its there for a reason. Good god, get a sense of humor.

      BTW, I'm not so sure they are statistically independent. I think you could make a case for synchronized swerving.

    2. Re:Good logic... by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

      Drunk drivers typically kill others more often than they kill themselves. If the gene pool is thinning, it's in the wrong direction.

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    3. Re:Good logic... by BaconLT · · Score: 1
      Drunk drivers typically kill others more often than they kill themselves. If the gene pool is thinning, it's in the wrong direction.

      Now that is a shame, but it's true.

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  90. OT: FYI. by Bishop · · Score: 1

    1 tonne is 10% larger then 1 ton.

    1. Re:OT: FYI. by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      1 tonne is 10% larger than 1 short (or US) ton, but a british ton (or long ton to you yanks) is only 20lbs (10kg) different.

    2. Re:OT: FYI. by Bishop · · Score: 2

      you yanks

      Watch the insults. I am a canuck :-)

  91. 180 miles is the *range* too. What's the point? by evilandi · · Score: 1

    180 is not just the top speed in mph, it's the maximum range, too.

    What exactly is the point of a car that can only drive for one hour [1] before being refuelled/recharged?

    Why do boffins create such useless vehicles? Why are boffins obsessed with all-electric cars when dual-fuel is patently the more practical option? This kind of coverage of environmentally friendly vehicles is making these new vehicles a laughing stock. If boffins stopped harping on about all-electric and started publicising dual-fuel, maybe people would actually make the switch.

    You can't save the environment with all-electric cars if people won't buy them.

    [1] Only in Germany, obviously

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    1. Re:180 miles is the *range* too. What's the point? by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      At 180 mph this thing is using 440KWh..
      with it's 55KWh battery at full charge it can sustain max output for about 7 minutes..
      You would be lucky to make it 20 miles running at peak power.

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  92. Fine... Except... by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    The politicians don't/can't/won't understand the stats.

    The result is that we now have thousands of Gatsos all over the place to stop *speeding* because the politicians think speed related accidents are actually *speeding* related accidents. The problem is that it turns out that while speed is a significant contributer to accidents and deaths, *speeding* isn't.

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  93. Re:DAMN! by DimitryP · · Score: 1

    1 kg = 2.2 lbs

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  94. Hence my point about bioDiesel and methanol by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    Both are or can be made in a renewable fashion.

    There's no net pollution. CO2 produced by burning the fuel is taken up by the plants producing the oil or the mechanism creating the methanol.

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  95. Classic joke by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    Did you hear about the unfortunate guy who fastened a JPL surplus ion drive to his electric car?

  96. GM EV1--183 mph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A modified GM EV1 did 183 mph in 1994.

    http://www.gmev.com/power/power_per_body_top.htm
    (video, too.)

    1. Re:GM EV1--183 mph by radiashun · · Score: 1

      and THIS is precisely why I browse at +1

  97. slashvert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Oh great, another slashvertisement.

  98. Wow! by Fjord · · Score: 1

    That is one sweet looking car. I just watched "Freejack" on the weekend and I'm reminded of the cars in that movie. If I were to be wealthy to the point of being carted everywhere in a limo, this would be my choice.

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  99. Forget pratical did you see the concept page! by retrac · · Score: 1

    Key features include:
    - rapid escape from external violence
    - ability to keep moving with some of the eight wheels broken
    - stable cornering
    - enviromentally friendly

    looks like they are going after a certain sector of the market place.

    Later

    1. Re:Forget pratical did you see the concept page! by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2


      American politicians?

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    2. Re:Forget pratical did you see the concept page! by silentbozo · · Score: 2

      Nah, this is a preview of James Bond's next ride...

    3. Re:Forget pratical did you see the concept page! by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      American politicians?

      Definitely not; this vehicle isn't a huge gas-guzzling SUV, and doesn't show support for the oil lobby or the American auto lobby.

  100. You'll never get a car to run on air .... by tubs · · Score: 2, Informative
    Those wacky French have managed it, here is the BBC article and here is the actual car website

    I wonder if the air tank explodes when damaged?

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  101. relative expense by Stalcair · · Score: 1

    while it would be nearly impossible to justify the cost of this for a family even with any cost savings from fuel (that is opening up another can of assumptions though), I wonder what this baby's towing capacity is. Shipping companies might find a more refined version of this very affordable and actually worth the money. Note that refined assumes that as a production vehicle with a bit of shake down time under its belt and about 10-20% lower cost. Existing semi's cost a pretty penny as it is, so perhaps this technology could see useful application sooner than foretold by many.

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  102. Thunderbords are go... by Usquebaugh · · Score: 2

    I'm I the only one who thought that on first seeing the car.

  103. Two birds... by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 2


    Might as well throw in a link to their homepage as well.

    Yep. Killing one site at a time just isn't enough for old Slashdot now, is it?

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  104. Styling question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have YET to see an alternative fuel vehicle car that was attractive. Even into the late 80's when this was just starting to be an issue, even then the cars weren't attractive by the current standards! Well, I take that back, the Civic is allright, but it's still not my cup of tea.

    I would suggest that companies like Toyota (Prius) and Honda (Insight, Civic) should build an attractive model car if they plan to sell many hybrids/alternative fuel cars.

  105. WARNING: PetsWarehouse is no longer Slashdotted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for the offtopic post, but this is important.

    See this story from yesterday for more details. Pets Warehouse has recovered from the Slashdot Effect and is back up. Click the link, click the link, click the link! Don't let Robert Novak, Slashdot enemy-of-the-month, earn one more dollar from his website!!!

    Also, e-mail them and tell them what you think! Call them at 1-800-991-3299 from a payphone: they'll have to pay for the 1-800 call *and* for the payphone usage!

    Show them the POWER of Slashdot!!!

  106. Electric cars = cool as riding a scooter... by dogas · · Score: 1

    Ok, the reason I think electric cars haven't taken off is because these cars *look* like electric cars. Perhaps if one of these cars looked like a normal sedan (without the back wheel halfway covered up) rather than a space pod, more people would be attracted to it, especially if the performance compares to or exceeds competing all-gas sedans.

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  107. did anyone else notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this car looks a lot like the CatBus(tm) from Miyazaki's "My Neighbor Totoro"?

  108. Now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if only they could design themselves a server that can handle a comparable rate of hits...

  109. oh michael by boomka · · Score: 1

    > Might as well throw in a link to their homepage as well. that's plain cruel! is this car really so bad?

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  110. Electric car with 0-60 time of 4 seconds. by leoc · · Score: 1

    And you can put your order in today! Sure it looks geeky, but just imagine the look on the faces of every ricer, porsche, ferrari and viper driver as you leave them behind at the stoplight! More info here.

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  111. One of the slashdot crew didn't flush? by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    There's a bowl of putrid brown over here ... can someone get a mop or something??? Actually, it's pretty funny. I'm guessing someone at /. dumped their girlfriend, and this is the result.

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  112. I like this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.compactpower.com/racer.html

  113. As useful as yarbles on anon.coward by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Anyone try maneuvering a 22 ft, 3.3 ton, 8 wheeled tuna boat in downtown Tokyo, much less finding a parking place? Sheesh, forget about Tokyo, how 'bout Boulder or Berkeley? The parking places are all designed to fit Volvos (and not the wagons!).

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  114. Doesn't that make sense? by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    If people were going too fast for conditions, that it's speed related?

    You could mark it as an ID-10-T error as well, I suppose, but that approach makes sense. Excessive speed in the wrong situation greatly increases the probability of an acident leading to fatalities.

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    1. Re:Doesn't that make sense? by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      i believe the man's point was that the government can has a catch all excuse that you were going to fast.

  115. got rice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What a hoax!

    This is just a Saturn that didn't make the casting call for "Fast and the Furious". ;)

  116. Take it a step further.. by Pontiac · · Score: 1

    I had to add a few more thoughts.

    I forgot to factor in a few things like the cost of charging stations, time to charge and so on..
    Don't think for a minute a high efficency 440v charger that can charge a 55KWh array of batteries in a hour is going to be cheep..

    There's the other problem.. If I run my batteries low I get to twiddle my thumbs for an hour while it charges.

    I'm sure some sharp people will be willing to invest in special parking lots for electric cars.. Pay a premium for haveing the chargers avaliable.. I'm sure they will be more than willing to tack on an extra 20-30% to the cost of charging you car.. It is a bussness after all.. They won't sell it to you at cost.

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  117. Answer in search of a question? by smithmc · · Score: 1

    Over 20 feet long. Six and a half feet wide. Over 6000 pounds. Seats 8. Don't people around here regularly slag on people who buy vehicles like this? Now we're gonna have soccer moms driving by themselves to the tennis club in even bigger vehicles than the good ol' Ford Excretion? I ask you, what the hell is the point of this thing?

    Yes, I've seen the other posts about how this could be used for limos, commuter vans, etc. Do you really think that market is large enough to support a vehicle like this? As soon as Joe SUV Driver sees this behemoth, he's gonna want it. There goes the neighborhood.

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  118. Re:DAMN! by Ultraken · · Score: 1

    One of the images indicates that the 2980kg weight includes eight passengers. Assuming 80kg per passenger, that's 640kg right there, leaving 2340kg. Two and a half metric tons isn't so bad for an eight-passenger vehicle.

  119. How about these kind of things replacing big rigs by EggMan2000 · · Score: 1

    The concept car has me thinking of applications for it's use. I am thinking this technology could be used in mass transit and shipping near(er) term.

    Think about a larger, longer version of these things as a replacement for a bus. Assuming they would not cost too much, they could be a bus replacement for city transit. It's a medium haul, and they get moving pretty quickly. They would have zero emissions, better handling, and probably be safer than existing buses. Even if the battery life is short, it could do a run and charge up for the evening rush hour.

    Trucks! These things could easily be modified to trucks as well. (Hell it really feels like a truck anyway.) We could use these things to transport cargo that could zip goods from west coast to east is amazing time. This could change the way the term "hot-shot" is used for parts replacment. I am not trying to draw a parallel to the Segway, but cities, roads, and infrastructure could be re-designed around this vehicle.

    Now I realize this is a concept vehicle. I also want those of you out here that just dismiss the vehicle as being impractable to see beyond the low drag shape, and strange looks, and se this vehicle as a ground up designed alternative to automobiles.

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  120. Is this really a _car_? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 2

    While I was going to make some insightful comments about continual growth of electric cars lately, this 'product' is just plain laughable.

    [...]

    And seriously, whats with the 8 wheel design?


    That was my first thought too, but on closer inspection, this looks less like a car and more like a small bus with a nicer-than-usual interior. Under that category (luxury chartered bus), it could easily work.

  121. A Car after my own heart... by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2

    I like the name...there's just something about "Kaz" that rings a bell. Now, if it could only rip rocks...

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  122. How about winter driving... by ianjk · · Score: 1

    I wonder how the batteries and motors would perform @ -10 F. Not to mention trying to handle that much weight and torque on slippery roads.

  123. It can do 180mph by loconet · · Score: 2

    Yes, the car can do 180mph but can the webserver handle 180hpm (hits per minute)?

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  124. Re:I just cant shake the feeling thats its just a by MyHair · · Score: 1

    The pictures I saw looked like the car was photographed at night with a flash, and that pic was pasted into a day scene in front of a mansion.

  125. Dymaxion Car by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    I think the teardrop-shaped car you recall seeing was designed by Buckminster Fuller, who called it the Dymaxion car.

  126. Other capabilities by rixstep · · Score: 1

    The electric car has other capabilities. Like toning down mid-eastern conflicts and putting a few select Texans in the poorhouse.

  127. Oh... I get it... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    ...they overclocked it!

    You know what this means, right? Every couple of years, the cars can go twice as fast. Imagine how much the internal storage will grow!

    Damn digital's cool.

  128. flywheel? by Query_Squidier · · Score: 1

    As far as the stop & go of city traffic and its subsequent negative effect on the cars range... could a flywheel be implemented to recapture some of the otherwise lost energy? I'm remembering the Slashdot article about the subways that were implementing flywheels for a similar purpose.

  129. Hardly shitty ass... by mr_zorg · · Score: 1

    Um, "shitty ass 1/4 mile"? I think you're misinterpreting that figure. That's "0 - 400m"... Namely, a quarter mile sprint from a dead stop. That's pretty impressive, ranking this up there with the best of them. Check here for comparison, look at the "soft launch" column.

  130. Less Likely to Roll Over by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 1

    Well, with all that weight in the base of the car, and 8 wheels, this vehicle is much less likely to roll over than those wonder gas-guzzling SUVs. :D

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  131. The first car to exceed 100 kph was also electric by majid · · Score: 1

    Camille Jenatzy's "La Jamais Contente", powered by 2 Fulmen batteries, in 1899 at Achres, France. (picture)

  132. Living Room on Wheels by serutan · · Score: 2

    I've heard that there is a growing trend in Japan to make cars more homey and luxurious, like little living rooms, as mentioned here and here for example. Partly because they spend so much time in their cars due to heavy traffic. The pictures and diagrams really brought this home. Check out the size of that mother, and look at the flat-floor diagram, with the wide seat sideways and the others arranged around it. I could easily imagine adding a coffee table and a lamp.

  133. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long do you think it will take for some ricers to put an oversized muffler on this thing even though there is no exhaust?

  134. Re:DAMN! by iamblades · · Score: 1

    80 kg passengers are some pretty hefty people, hehehe..

    Hell, this thing would still weigh a good deal more than any of even the biggest SUVs.

    Not saying it's not cool, but needs to go on a diet.. ;P

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  135. Re:DAMN! by ces · · Score: 2

    I doubt the motors are more than 20% of the entire vehicle weight. Modern rare-earth electric motors are fairly light and efficient for their output power.

    Older EV designs did generally use a single motor, but with current motor technology using a motor in each wheel is supposed to save weight and be more efficent than a single big motor.

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  136. Speed don't kill and I'm the proof. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just call me snaggletooth.
    Nah, but am I the only tweaker that was like yeah, see meth isn't all that bad as long as you only inject while on the open freeway and stick to smoking the glass pipe while driving in town.

  137. Fuel Cell issue by Yakasha · · Score: 1

    The issue with fuel cells now is producing hydrogen.
    1) Producing hydrogen uses more energy than you get out of the fuel cell. (Nothing in energy transfer is 100% though, so it doesnt truly matter)
    2) Most electricity in the US is produced by coal and fossil fuel burning. Producing enough hydrogen for people's cars would cause more pollution than if everyone just drove petroleum burning cars.

  138. Good magazine for the EV interested,, by MikeFM · · Score: 2

    http://homepower.com

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  139. Eight wheel steering by geoswan · · Score: 2
    Parallel parking that thing is gonna be a bitch.
    I was under the impression that eight wheel steering greatly assisted the driver doing things like parallel parking.

    I read an article on all-wheel steering about 20 years ago. It talked about experimental vehicles which switched steering algorithms depending on what speed you were travelling. At low speeds steering changed the orientation of the front and rear wheels in opposite directions. At highway speeds all the wheels changed direction at once. That could take some getting used to.

  140. well, actually.... by LordMyren · · Score: 1

    (us of a story)

    when they made the speed limits, they understood fairly well how even the comparitively unsafe and unweildy (see: less manuverable) vehicles of the past could be safely operated at higher speeds, but due to energy efficiency concerns they tossed out 65 mph as standard.

    sssooooo slow.....

    if you believe its for your safety, your a fucking moron, just like the rest of them. what'd your mother tell you about listening to your government's lies?

  141. Re:DAMN! by vivian · · Score: 1

    Depends how tall you are. That'd be a little on the skinny side for a 6'4" guy (like me) - I weigh 85 kg - but I still have trouble keeping 36 inch waist pants up. My brother is 6Ft 6 and weights 115 kg - and he's one of the fittest people I know - plays loads of basketball and has arms & legs like a bloody tree.

  142. Er...someone has not heard of NEDRA by Soulslayer · · Score: 2

    A new spin off of the NHRA, NEDRA is the National Electric Drag Racing Association.

    Nothing like an electric motorcycle hitting 152 mph in 9.4 seconds on the quarter mile.

    Also amusing to see an old Mazda RX7 nearly stand pure vertical on its rear bumper on launch. They added wheelie bars to the car the next year.

    Or perhaps you'd rather drive a nice 100 mile range electric sports car that can beat a Corvette off the line.

    Electric vehicles are advancing rather impressively on the small scale with little or no R&D funding. Which makes the total lack of interest displayed by the major auto manufacturers all the more disheartening.

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