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Eye of the Frog writes "Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corp. and its subsidiary NTT DoCoMo Inc. have developed a device that attaches to your PDA which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second."
"Honest, your honor. I wasn't grabbing her. I was just giving her my telephone number!"
If you smoke after sex, you're doing it too fast.
And if we could get a long chain of people, maybe we could use them instead of ethernet cable!
At least in transfer rates........
which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second
Oh, god. Imagine the new possibilities for porn.
So, if a bunch of people join hands, do they become a Beowolf cluster?
Oh, wait... hmmm... I wonder which I'll need first... a DVD player, or a girlfriend.
How about the people with pace makers? Are they going to have a warning label on the product or even try testing the product with them? Also, how about any other medical conditions that might present themselves due to this technology?
We could all benefit from my education.
Is it just me, or do seeing the words Exchange and Email in the same sentence make you shiver?
I was expecting another word like 'virus' or 'vulnerability' in that sentence.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
Now you can transfer computer viruses as easy as the old fashioned biological kind.
I can see the T-Shirts now, "Don't touch me! I'm infected with Code Red!"
If you're close enough to TOUCH the person... why not just give a business card or TALK to the person???
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All editorial writers ever do is come down from the hill after the battle is over and shoot the wounded.
Now ask yourself this: What's to stop crackers from using a root-kit that operates through handshakes to steal information from your electronic device and then use that information to break into your stuff? Is this another one of those technologies that will become totally critical in our everyday lives, and that will also become a huge security problem?
at 10Mb/s our body could transmit it's own DNA in 1 hour and 41 minutes.
9 months is a long time compared to that...
A message from the system administrator: 'I've upped my priority. Now up yours.'
I think this would be a benefit for both computer security and for true multi-user desktop environments, as well as network access.. Instead of a password, you need the hardware device to access a specific account. then again, it is just one more device to lose/break/power/carry.
Just a thought..
I'm a little tea pot.
It gives a whole new meaning to "hands around the world". Now where to find volunteers...
if(!toilet_paper) roll.replace(new roll);
Dark club, a whisper in your ear.
"I know what you like".
A fleeting touch verifies it- she sure does.
So, she settles down next to you, and rests her hand on your leg. It can't be the data-transmission that's making you shiver, you've done this before.
A few breathless minutes later, she smiles, and kisses you lightly on the forehead.
"Keep the faith."
You know you will. After all, a quick glance at your PDA shows that you've benefitted twice tonight.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
Yes, but in order to reach full 10mbps you have to have a diet rich in copper.
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The DMCA has announced that skin is now illegal.
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damnit, thats no ethernet cable, why, its people, NTT is people I tell you, people!
I hate sigs.
Problems: Stores might rig their doornobs to download your personal information as you go in the store. Privacy issue. Or someone could touch you, and have all your information stored. Think potential stalkers/criminals/etc. Scary. Of course you could always turn it off, I suppose, but if you forget it's a problem. I assume I'm not the only absent minded human around.
However, there are some interesting possibilities:
A credit card reader could read your body's electrical signal, as it is also scanning the card. Added consumer security. Even cooler would be if each person had a unique electrical signal their body generates, but I don't know anything about that. Either way, interesting.
You could make long distance calls from anywhere, and have the phone read your calling card number automatically when you pick up the phone.
Possibility of electronic "keys" for car/house stored in PDA. Not so good if PDA is lost or crashes, but if you can call the company and say "My PDA is gone - please scramble my house key codes until we can resolve the issue" it might work. Locking the house would be great - simply disable the electronic circuit from the inside and there is no lock to pick. As for someone who tries to crack it while you're out, simply have the system stop taking input for five seconds if it gets a bad signal. With billions of possibilities at five seconds a try, it wouldn't work real well trying to crack it. If you're paranoid, have it take thirty seconds. No more fumbling with keys or those little remote control keychains, either - just touch and open.
Many issues to resolve, but some very cool possibilities as well.
"I object to doing things that computers can do." -- Olin Shivers, lispers.org
Does anybody else think this sounds just a teensy bit flaky? The article says the connection works through clothing ... "Apparel and handbags have their own conductivity, allowing an electrical connection to a PDA that can remain in one's pocket..." Huh?? 10 mbps using the cloth of my pocket as a conductor??
I have a suspicion that news.au.com is getting one slipped to them. The closest Google result I could get with "NTT NoCoMo skin" is this article about a cell phone that conducts sound through bone and cartilage, enabling you to listen to the call by sticking your finger in your ear.
Uhhh, okie dokie.
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Perhaps now you're starting to understand the importance of a good title.
...backbone providers have announced plans to pay people minimum wage to hold hands with each other as a backup backbone.
Sigh. The way the job markets looks right about now, I would take that job.
Doesn't anyone else find it odd that this was developed in Japan of all places? Living there, I don't know when the last time I shook hands with someone was. At least this could be handy for exchanging information with women... because I don't when when the last time I had (physical) contact with a man.
Don't forget that your sperm only hold half of your genes. You're overestimating the number of bytes transmitted a bit there.
It's kind of like the old saying that I'm too lazy to look up right now. "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes tooling down the expressway."
If I were to record a digital sample of my voice at 10MBps, wouldn't I be transferring data at 10MBps by using my body?
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
New way to transfer a virus?
Not only a bio-bug, but also e-bugs.
Oh great, more spam, just lovely. And they'll say I opted-in, too ... with my handshake.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Gives new meaning to that old story about virii(or is it viruses?) being spread when people shake hands...
It's "viruses." And, in case you've been living your new life in the off-world colonies or something ("A chance to begin again!"), viruses are spread by shaking hands!
Wouldn't it mean that you actually have to touch somebody? I think it defeats the whole purpose.
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Now the spammers will just run around slapping people.
Must be sending one of those big raytraced spinning animgifs for that to be used.
Unless handshaking involves flicking a fly off someone.
Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
Hands Across America was an early trial for this technology. It was determined that fiber optics would be more cost effective for long haul data transmission.
Be sure to check out Lawrence Lessig's freeculture speech.
I guess I understand too much Japanese to find that funny.
You're probably one of those people who thinks that "Cheese Nips" are the most hillariously named snack ever.
My other first post is car post.
It's been read and re-read and loaned out (often to people going to other countries) that it's in sad, sad shape. Now, see, I need to get that in palm doc format.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
If the data is fake I can just vulcan neck pinch the mofo and throw him in a dumpster.
Although, would you mind so much getting body contact from a lovely female spam-vixen?
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
Body condo^H^H^H^H^H gloves to prevent unauthorised virii being transmited by human contact.
...but some of the test subjects' "antenna" wasn't quite long enough for decent reception.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
In a crowded train in Tokyo, you'd have a network with up to 50 nodes. That could be some serious computing power there (assuming that processing power of phones and PDAs increase significantly).
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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
Personal Area Networks.
I've seen comments about pacemakers and safety of this technology. Quoted from the page above:
The current used is one-billionth of an amp (one nanoamp), which is lower than the natural currents already in the body. In fact, the electrical field created by running a comb through hair is more than 1,000 times greater than that being used by PAN technology.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
Just a little nitpick. I suppose you never paid attention during biology :)
Just another reason to keep wearing my rubber gloves. *snap*
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First, 10 Mbps is possible, but that's getting near the theoretical limit. The datarate is limited by the bandwidth, and the bandwidth is limited by the fact that around 50MHz, the signal wavelength is about four times the size of a person, which means the person turns into an antenna, and the whole system becomes essentially a short range radio.
Second, because these systems operate in the near field, the signal travels through a current loop, and not as plane waves in free space. This means that there has to be some kind of grounding path for current to flow back to the transmitter after going through the person. This is why it works so well to put transceivers in shoes -- the ground path can flow through earth ground (or any conductive material in the floor). For devices held in hands, the very small (femtofarad) capacitance of free space is enough, but the signal does suffer more from noise. Devices in purses, etc. also have this problem, and may have difficulty establishing the ground connection depending on the material the purse is made from and the other objects inside it.
One issue that to my knowledge has not been addressed very well is guaranteeing that the signal is received during--and only during--physical contact. There is a large dependence of signal strength on geometry. The devices I've constructed can communicate when they're brought near (~10 cm) of each other, touching or not. There are a few solutions, such as looking at jumps in signal strength, but they tend to be confused when a person without a transceiver happens to touch the object, and a person with a transceiver is nearby. I'm currently working on this problem for my PhD dissertation, so if you have any good ideas or know of related work, I'd love to hear from you.
If you'd like to read more, the first (and most detailed) publication I know about on this idea was Thomas Zimmerman's Masters Thesis at the MIT AI Lab. You find it here: http://www.media.mit.edu/physics/publications/thes es/95.09.zimmerman.pdf
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Hello, Bob, long time no see. *shake hands*. Welcome, Klez. Jeff too! Slapper, remember to behave yourself. As it seems everyone is here, could you please give the opening speech, Alex.
In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra...
Let's see their thinking...
A DVD has about as many bits per second as you can transfer. Basically, that means that for a 1:40 DVD, you would need to keep up the contact for an hour and 40 minutes to be able to transfer the 6GB involved.
Therefore, anyone who attempts to obtain the ability to do that must be a video pirate...
-- Terry
OMG!
This is going to be the next terror weapon against the US! Terrorists will be able to transfer secret terrorist plans real easy!
They can go around spreading secret terrorist virusses by simply touching victims, this can lead to terrible epidemics.
Why haven't we done anything to stop japan from developing these weapons... we could have nuked them before it was to late!
"I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." -George H.W. Bush
Does this mean latex is now a firewall?
Seriously, I think this new technology could be used in some interesting ways. I'm waiting for someone to work it into the electric chairs used on death row, for a particularly fitting punishment for certain individuals...
"Jerry Bruckheimer, for your crimes against humanity, this court orders you to be put to death via electric chair. 100 million copies of Armageddon will be digitally sent through your body each second until you are sufficiently fried. And may God have mercy on your crap-movie making ass..."
A friend of mine had told me (a few years ago) about how his company was working on ways to use body conductivity and the electical fields surrounding our bodies to pass data. This article sounds very familiar.
;) seamlessly.
Passing data from one person to another was one of the uses, but the other I found much more interesting.
Imagine a personal device "cloud" where your PDA, watch, and cell phone all pass data back and forth. Your watch acts as a small display for your cell and/or your PDA and receives time updates via the cell. Your PDA uses the cell for data calls. Your cell uses your PDA to look up names and numbers. All (theoretically
Take it a step further, and create small modules that plug into this personal network. Maybe a keychain of functions all accessable through your watch or PDA. Maybe carry a Quake quarter in your pocket.
Nokia make a lot of press with putting a camera in a cell phone. I haven't looked at the spec, but I'd imagine that like many multi-function devices, it doesn't do either well. Imagine your (dedicated to task) camera taking pics, and storing them on another device (is that smart card in your wallet or are you just happy to see me?), previewing the pics on your phone and sending them from there. You could easily give them to someone else with a handshake.
Quite a lot of possibility. I had often thought that the business card exchange application was the least exciting...
Never never never smoke crack before geometry class!
...with a pda in my pocket that keeps the electrical potential of my skin oscillating at a carrier frequecy of 10mhz, i guess i can stop worrying about having my cellphone in the back pocket of my jeans, the high voltage lines over my house and the high power radar at the airport in sight ;-)
I wonder if it means that the MPAA/RIAA would be buying senators to add DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) to our bodies now...
All kidding aside though, I'd love for something like this to be available to get rid of my damn too-big keychain. Just being able to have something like a watch which would unlock a locked door, pay for a cola from a vending machine, or automatically pay at the pump when I take the nozzle out of the pump to fill up the car.
N.
"Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
Look for "personal area networks" on Google. Zimmerman and Gershenfeld worked on this.
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3001 -- exchanging personal information by touch of the palm.
Has he thought of everything?
whats is the origin of the word 'nip' in racial text to asians [and "wog" and "nigger"]?
"Nip" is short for "Nippon", the Japanese name for their country, or short for "Nipponese", the Japanese name for the people of Japan.
"Nigger" derives from words various European languages use for the adjective "black"; various etymologists speculate in originated in the French, the Spanish, or the Portugese words for "black".
"Wog", a disparaging British slang term for non-European "native" peoples, or in some constructs ("the wogs start at Calais") anyone not British, probably derives from Golliwog, a rag doll with African features in a children's storybook, though some probably apocryphal folk etymologies claim it's an abbreviation -- sarcasticly-applied -- of "Worthy Oriental Gentleman". Apparently the term is also applied, derisively, by mmebers of the Church of Scientology to non-Scientologists (?).
In any case, all these terms are considered disparaging and offensive, especially when used by persons of whom they are not descriptive. (Although "nigger" finds a use, within the black American population when applied to others of the same ethnicity, similar in meaning to "(that black) person".)
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and what's new anyway: The technology could allow data communications through [...], switches, [...]
Like datacommunication could do without switches now anyway...
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2-5 cc's of semen.
Up to 228 gigabytes of data in about 5 seconds.
or about 365 gigabits per second.
Men like computers because they are impotent compared to us.
The monthly estrus cycle equates to about 2.5 kb/s
Even a phone modem is faster than a woman.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
...and soon there will be data rape
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http://www.research.ibm.com/topics/popups/smart/mo bile/html/pan.html
"If A equals success, then the formua is A=X+Y+Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut" - A Einstein.
Senators like the IT industry more than the media industry, and the IT industry can buy double the number of Senators that the movie industry has, but IT people in general (apart from usless MBA types) are shy and think they can just email the Democrats back into power.
Never before in history has such an important part of the economy been run by geeks that are too afraid to lobby the Senate and too afraid to protest and have virtually no union (I think). The DMCA was supposed to help the IT industry, but the geeks were so shy to say anything that the legislature had to guess at what the IT industry wanted. As a result we have the DMCA we have today
Bill Gates or Linus can pick up his phone right now and call Bush, then Bush will say, "Hello Mr Gates/Torvalds nice to hear from you, I will see you at your convenience, sir. Is there anything you would like from the US Government? We are your humble servants.". But the geeks that run the IT industry can't even understand the power they have. Funny.
A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra... ;-)
No! You don't need an antenna for the technology to work
The next step is obviously the world's first sexually transmitted computer virus.
microsoftword.mp3 - it doesn't care that they're not words...
In the movie Minority Report, your eye is scanned for your identity everywhere you go. In the movie Gattaca, your dna is sampled frequently.
Really, all you would have to do is have a surgical implant like a pacemaker and then touch the metal plate of a scanning device everywhere you go. No eye scanning. No fuzzy facial or fingerprint scans. No puncturing the skin. Just touch a metal plate as you walk past. You are positively identified everywhere you go. Completely unobtrusive.
An innovation like this would be welcomed by all right-thinking people because it would save us from the hasstle of always hearing "Your papers please!". No more forgetting your papers, or having to drop your baggage to find them. Let Microsoft integrate it with Passport, and it would be good for the economy. The birth tax would be universal. The EULA could be printed on microfice on the metal casing of the implant. (An infant couldn't understand it anyway.) Finally, the implant could administer shocks to punish wrong thinking.
(Need I say something for the humor impaired?)
Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
You're right, watching some schmuk try to imitate it is pretty funny, which is why I'm glad I tried it at home and not out somewhere with people... Apparently the INTENSE BURNING that I experienced after slapping my hand onto my desk while covered in crazy glue is the normal sensation associated with the act. And the many many bits of skin I left behind are also standard reaction to that particular procedure. So, in the future, please refrain from mentioning interesting properties of your hands as I will almost certainly be compelled to test to see if I share those properties.
Kintanon
Oh, BTW, I'm immune to poison ivy and poison oak. I can rub the stuff all over me and not so much as twitch.
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The companies have confirmed in an experiment that data can be transmitted at 10 megabits per second, comparable to the speed of a broadband Internet connection, it said.
And in what area are you getting 10 megabits to begin with? I want to move there. That's roughly 5x the cap where I live.
1) Exchange a public encryption key (no CA required)
2) Resume in the palm of your hand.
3) Face - to - face file swapping.
I am not a number! I am a man! And don't you
I wonder if there are any health hazards (radiation/cancer?) would be a consideration. A lot of people are already freaked out that having cellphones clipped to their frontal belt area may leave them unable to produce children later in life...
While this is suppose to use the body's "natural" conductivity, I imagine that it might mess with the body's natural electromagnetics or other semi-electrical processes. Aren't nerve impulses electrical in nature? It would certainly suck if your leg started twitching every time your PDA alarm went off (although it would be a neat trojan to plant on somebody).
My PDA made me do it! - phorm
Okay, I guess you're right. The normal state is to have two of each of your chromosomes, while haploid cells only have one of each. So while a sperm only has half of your genetic material, it's got a full set.
;-)
And I did pay attention in biology; it's just that it was so long ago.
Same as with signatures and so forth. I give out a timestamp or something encrypted with my private key. My public key can decrypt it. Therefore I'm me and you can open the door.
I never transmitted my key, I transmitted something that keeps changing (like the time) that was just encrypted with my key, and the decrypted version made sense. What the decrypted text actually turned out to be really wasn't the point.
Could be better ways.. Have the doorknob send me plain text which I then munge a bit and encrypt with my private key to send back. A challenge response mechanism using public key encryption, basically. Lots of other ways. Only thing that will really hurt me is theft of the implant.
We have to assume the implant is secure, though. If it has flaws then they could be exploitable, although it'd have to be damn fast to exploit if it's only got 1-2 seconds in which to do it.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Slashdotting one overseas link might be OK, but come on, slashdotting the link to .au AND to .jp?? And of a major telecom provider?? *Server lights on fire* "Hey, where'd my call go??!!"
"viruses are spread by shaking hands!"
now you've done it! this person will now lock themselves in a room, and wear tissue boxes on there feet!
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I did read the article. Maybe you should try actually reading my post. The sentence I quoted about handbags and pockets came directly from it. I also read the fish translation of Nihon Keizai Shimbun, which is patchy at best, then went to the nttdocomo website, found nothing, and finally tried google to get some sort of confirmation. The difficulty of finding material on this thing makes me more suspicious that it is vapor. I could be wrong, but forgive me for having an opinion.
"Excuse me...sorry...coming through..."(hehehe, 25 new addresses to send out to...).
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and (as far as I know) the word 'black' in french is 'noir'.
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and (as far as I know) the word 'black' in french is 'noir'.
I can't speak for the Portugese (been a while since I heard that as a possible origin), but dictionary.com gives the etymology of "nigger" as "[Alteration of dialectal neger, black person, from French nègre, from Spanish negro. See Negro.]"
"Noir" is French for black, but I don't that it is (or is not) the only French word for black, and I suspect, as in English, there are numerous synomyms. (In English, off the top of my head: dark, coal, jet, inky; using dictionary.com's thesaurus: jet, ink, ebony, coal pitch, soot, charcoal, sloe, smut, raven, crow, black, sable, swarthy, somber, dark, inky, ebon, atramentous, jetty, coal-black, jet-black, fuliginous, pitchy, sooty, swart, dusky, dingy, murky, Ethiopic, low-toned, low in tone, of the deepest dye.)
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