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Eye of the Frog writes "Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corp. and its subsidiary NTT DoCoMo Inc. have developed a device that attaches to your PDA which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second."

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  1. I can just see the first court case... by Bimkins · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Honest, your honor. I wasn't grabbing her. I was just giving her my telephone number!"

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    1. Re:I can just see the first court case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The penetration which followed was simply an attempt to get a better upload.

    2. Re:I can just see the first court case... by benna · · Score: 1

      What has the world come to.

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    3. Re:I can just see the first court case... by Telastyn · · Score: 2

      The judge: "No son, you commited unauthorized access of her PDA" (to get her number) you are sentenced to LIFE (*muhahah*)

    4. Re:I can just see the first court case... by modecx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hrm, interpersonal LAN parties... Gives "First Person Shooter" a whole 'nother meaning!
      Wonder just how far tweakers will go to get lower pings though?

      Yeah, definitely time for bed.

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    5. Re:I can just see the first court case... by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 1

      "We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a simpler way, I'd like to hear it." - Kang (The Simpsons)

  2. Amazing! by ActiveSX · · Score: 4, Funny

    And if we could get a long chain of people, maybe we could use them instead of ethernet cable!

    1. Re:Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      and use those flying XP users as wireless links to places?

    2. Re:Amazing! by blowhole · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of us!

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    3. Re:Amazing! by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2

      You know how some people have to talk with their hands.
      Which begs the questions:
      What would be acceptable packet loss rate?
      What about being a router? Can males do more?

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  3. We're better than mud! by jimson · · Score: 5, Funny

    At least in transfer rates........

  4. Wow by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second

    Oh, god. Imagine the new possibilities for porn.

    1. Re:Wow by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Funny
      pr0n?

      This brings new meaning to peer-to-peer networking in general!

    2. Re:Wow by majestynine · · Score: 5, Funny
      Sorry, I couldn't resist posting a link to this nodeshell on Everything2. Get ready to laugh your ass off:

      Penises have higher bandwidth than cable modems

    3. Re:Wow by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd have to disagree with the result. The bandwidth of the penis is given as 78 Mb/s. However, most of our genome is exactly the same for all human beings. So all that really has to be transmitted are the base pairs that differ. This is probably on the order of less than 1%. This means that a cable modem could probably transmit the same bandwidth as a penis using good compression software.

    4. Re:Wow by Quixadhal · · Score: 2

      And you thought even THAT activity would be safe from DRM??? Muahahaha, fool!

    5. Re:Wow by Thenomain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does that mean most of my data transfer would be logged as "localhost"?

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    6. Re:Wow by buswolley · · Score: 1
      However it is not what the penis has to transmit, but what it does, and what it does is 78 Mb/s.

      However..iniating the transmission takes longer in a human penis.

      Some women might say ,"--Not noticibly longer, but longer.--

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    7. Re:Wow by cryptor3 · · Score: 1
      which uses the body's conductivity to transmit data at an amazing 10 megabits per second

      So I guess this means that the guy with the sweaty handshake gets better bandwidth.

      Or perhaps it will come into fashion to spit into your hand before you shake.

    8. Re:Wow by d_force · · Score: 1

      Thank you very much.. I will now have this really bad image of the porno-version of Johnny Mnemonic in my head for this rest of the day.

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    9. Re:Wow by Sirch · · Score: 2

      I suppose it would bring a whole new meaning to "the local loop"!

    10. Re:Wow by MoogMan · · Score: 1

      Ok, but the penis wins hands down (?) on the count of party trick ability. I cant imagine someone sending a 100mb file from, say their phone and going "hey, look at that go.. bet you cant do that ;)". But each to their own, I guess.

    11. Re:Wow by smallduck · · Score: 1

      "Bobby, what are you doing in there!"
      "Uhh, just conducting a loopback test, Mom"

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  5. Couldn't resist... by bjschrock · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, if a bunch of people join hands, do they become a Beowolf cluster?

  6. Napster This! by spellcheckur · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...and you'll now be able to download ripped DVDs during fornication!

    Oh, wait... hmmm... I wonder which I'll need first... a DVD player, or a girlfriend.

    1. Re:Napster This! by TellarHK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope, I don't think that's going to happen. Why? When's the last time you copied a DVD rip over a 10Mbit connection in the three or four minutes the average male lasts? And I think I'm being generous here. Not evem MPEG-4 will make up for the trigger-happiness of most guys.

    2. Re:Napster This! by mbourgon · · Score: 2

      Don't forget foreplay either... *hmm... need 45 more seconds to get the bonus tracks*

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    3. Re:Napster This! by christopherfinke · · Score: 1

      When's the last time you copied a DVD rip over a 10Mbit connection in the three or four minutes the average male lasts?
      I know that these are supposed to be humorous, but, while reading through the comments, it seems as if most people are forgetting (or ignoring) the fact that you need to be wearing or holding the PDA on your person.

      Where exactly does your PDA go during intercourse - a hip holster? Sexy...

  7. How about people with pace makers? by LowAmmoWarning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about the people with pace makers? Are they going to have a warning label on the product or even try testing the product with them? Also, how about any other medical conditions that might present themselves due to this technology?

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    1. Re:How about people with pace makers? by mclearn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article states that the device uses the body's natural conductivity. Hence, there should be no issues regarding those with pace-makers.

    2. Re:How about people with pace makers? by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pacemakers and other implantables typically communicate with external devices using low power RF signals. It's quite possible that this networking could interfere with operation of the device. There are rumors of airport security x-ray machines causing havoc in some types of devices. It's the responsibility of the medical device manufacturer to make sure an implant meets certain criteria for EMI/RFI but those requirements are not all that strenuous to meet.

    3. Re:How about people with pace makers? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Lightning bolts also use the body's natural conductivity. Are they compatible with pacemakers as well?

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    4. Re:How about people with pace makers? by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would assume this is a high frequency electricity (10 mbits/second is a lot of info). High frequency electricity will travel over the surface without penatrating, so it should not be an issue.

      National geographic had a guy standing on a charged plat, shooting electricity that went through (over) him into the rod, it was cool.

      People with pacemakers don't die from static shocks, I find it hard to believe that people would use a technology that was more disruptive then that.

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    5. Re:How about people with pace makers? by CoolVibe · · Score: 2
      People with pacemakers don't die from static shocks, I find it hard to believe that people would use a technology that was more disruptive then that.

      As long as people with pacemakers stay away from my bulk eraser :)

      (seriously, my bulk eraser even has a warning sticker that warns about it)

    6. Re:How about people with pace makers? by MourningBlade · · Score: 2, Funny

      Modern peacemakers use all-natural, organic material which has not been shown to be affected by any electromagnetic fields in the area. In 100% of use cases the peacemaker was able to adapt to the environment and perform its function.

    7. Re:How about people with pace makers? by fliptout · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you were insulting a really cute asian chick.. Eh, prolly not ;)

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    8. Re:How about people with pace makers? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "Lightning bolts also use the body's natural conductivity. Are they compatible with pacemakers as well?"

      Taking it to illogical extremes can be used for humor, but cannot be used effectively as a debate format.

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    9. Re:How about people with pace makers? by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 2, Funny
      Geez! Doesn't anybody here have a sense of humor? You guys are a tough crowd.

      Just to clear up any confusion, that was intended to be a joke. It was also pointing out in a humorous way the lack of coherence in the argument that since the device uses the body's natural conductivity it must be compatible with pacemakers. The fact that it does use the body's natural conductivity in no way indicates that it is safe for people with pacemakers. But the post was mostly intended to be a joke. Which apparently nobody got. At least I didn't waste my +2 bonus on it.

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    10. Re:How about people with pace makers? by red5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is an urban myth. Pacemakers are generally unaffected by cellphones, microwaves, etc.

      Another common misconception about pacemakers this the notion that if they go out of commission the person would have an immediate heart attack. Not true. A pacemaker on kicks in when the subjects heartrate falls out the healthy range. It spends most of it's time watching the heart and waiting.

      I know this because my cousin has one.

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    11. Re:How about people with pace makers? by SecGreen · · Score: 1

      Electrocution also uses the body's natural conductivity , but that doesn't mean that it's safe...

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    12. Re:How about people with pace makers? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

      Heh Actually, my post was meant as a joke too. :)

    13. Re:How about people with pace makers? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      Doh, I forgot to log out. My friend was using my computer earlier.

      I was trying to be funny. I guess I sounded too serious. I was poking fun at the way people seriously use illogical extremes to make a point. I thought your post was obvious enough in trying to make a joke that I could get away with it.

      Oh well, I'll use a smiley next time. :) :) :)

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    14. Re:How about people with pace makers? by markhlfs · · Score: 1
      This is an urban myth. Pacemakers are generally unaffected by cellphones, microwaves, etc.
      I *think* you're half right. The newer pacemakers are not affected IIRC but some of the very first models were. To quote from Kumar and Clark: Clinical Medicine 4th Edition (Page 657):

      "Complications are few but include the following:
      <snip>
      Electromagnetic interference: This is not common with modern pacemakers. High-tension cables, high-energy radars, arc-welding equipment and some medical quipment, such as MRI machines and lithtripters, may transiently inhibit the output of a pacemaker or convert it to intereference mode (continous pacing despite and adequate underlying rhythm). Digital cellular telephones may cause similar problems, but only when the telephone is help within 30cm of the pacemaker"

      This is not medical advice; I am not a Doctor (or for the Americans, I am not a Physician)

      Any spelling mistakes in the above quote are due to my inability to type.

  8. Exchange Email? by Trogre · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it just me, or do seeing the words Exchange and Email in the same sentence make you shiver?

    I was expecting another word like 'virus' or 'vulnerability' in that sentence.

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    1. Re:Exchange Email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA

      Microsoft sucks!

      Nice one!

    2. Re:Exchange Email? by mr3038 · · Score: 1
      Is it just me, or do seeing the words Exchange and Email in the same sentence make you shiver?

      Me too. I first understood that the subject meant that it's possible to steal email addresses for spamming during some protocol handshake with a Exhance server.

      10Mbps sounds like a plenty fast for just about anything. Some of you talk about copying DVD's and stuff but if you want to transfer that much information there're better ways. My internet connection has been 10Mbps for a couple of years and I'm still happy with it.

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  9. So how does it hook up? by Audity · · Score: 1

    Sounds neat, but i dont think I want wiring clamp pinching my ass everywhere I go.

  10. Two for the price of one... by jjh37997 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now you can transfer computer viruses as easy as the old fashioned biological kind.

    I can see the T-Shirts now, "Don't touch me! I'm infected with Code Red!"

    1. Re:Two for the price of one... by vespazzari · · Score: 1

      OMG think of a crowded train or street, it says that it can transfer through clothes so think of how anonymous a virus would be, virtually untraceable(back to the origin) think of how fast a virus with this hardware could spread. I am just thinking of a morning commute in ny, train transfers etc., how many people do you suppose one rubbs against-regardless of how lightly The worst part would be that complete strangers could be infected. I guess I was kinda thinking more along the lines of like klez but that is e-mail and this is bio-mail uhhhh its late but damn

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    2. Re:Two for the price of one... by Xepherys2 · · Score: 1

      so... does this mean that cybersex geeks will start getting ETDs?

  11. 10 mbps? Yeah sure... by boa13 · · Score: 1

    Just like my 11 mbps wireless connection I guess. Right now, I've got a "Very Good" connection quality, and I rarely go above 2 mbps.

    We'll have to wait the first tests by independant people to see how these 10 mbps live up in real-life reality.

  12. Here's what I don't get... by BTWR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you're close enough to TOUCH the person... why not just give a business card or TALK to the person???

    1. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The guy in the old Micro Machines commercials speaks pretty fast, but I don't think he can speak anywhere close to 10Mbps.

      Say you're at a conference. You meet 30 people. Do you want 30 business cards that you'll have to scan into your addrbook later or would you rather just greet people saying "Hi" while shaking hands (hearing a beep from your PDA telling you that it downloaded their contact info).

    2. Re:Here's what I don't get... by LowAmmoWarning · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about you use it for electonic business cards. People tend to lose real business cards and an electronic business card would cut down on cost. What if by bumping into somebody you gave them your business card? Or how about even using it as a personal identification system in which when you go to your company it verifies its informatoin w/ the information that you are carying w/ you. I'm sure a security card such as this transmitted by just touch could become useful in numerous applications...

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    3. Re:Here's what I don't get... by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      The guy in the old Micro Machines commercials

      You mean the guy from the old Federal Express commercials? You youngsters, I swear....

    4. Re:Here's what I don't get... by BTWR · · Score: 2, Interesting
      SO then why not just use the PDA's infrared beam?

      Ok... so you go up to a complete stranger at a convention. Instead of a quick paper card or a beam from a pda, you have to hold the strangers hand, then with the other hand, press SEND, then wait maybe 10 VERY AWKWARD seconds while holding this man/woman's hand. Only if she were sexy would this be anything but really weird...

    5. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Binome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They'll probably do that anyway. In Japan, giving a business card to another person is almost ceremonial, so I doubt that it'll give way to electronic data transfer. Besides, knowing how marketing exaggerates things, you probably have to grab hold of the other person's hand, open your networking program, wait for a connection to be verified, do the hokey-pokey, then have the file sent. Interesting, but perhaps a ways away from practical use.

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    6. Re:Here's what I don't get... by dirvish · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey man. We gotta save the forests man. Down with dead trees (paper) man.

    7. Re:Here's what I don't get... by krogoth · · Score: 2

      A business card that can hold 1.25MiB of binary data? (actually, since it would take a few seconds to transfer it would have to hold at least 6MiB to be equivalent). I guess that's possible with special CD-Rs but they have to be prepared ahead of time, and if you wanted to do something like a multiplayer game the latency would be too much. Or do you talk really really fast?

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    8. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Latent+IT · · Score: 2

      Lessee... 10 seconds at 10 Mbit...

      I'll round like a crazy man, so that's one meg in a minute... one meg/6 is about 170k. Either you have a really, really, really long phone number and address, or you're sending her three or four decent porn jpegs. Either way, you've got trouble. ;p

    9. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Vess+V. · · Score: 1

      Does 10 Mb/s not mean anything to you?

      And as for having to press "send" or anything like that, the PDA could be in a mode where it is constantly checking for a valid connection.

    10. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Vess+V. · · Score: 1

      This is funny, you dumbfuck moderators. Jesus Christ.

    11. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Latent+IT · · Score: 2

      Yes, you're right. That was the worst math I've ever done. ;p

    12. Re:Here's what I don't get... by BTWR · · Score: 2, Informative
      OK, here's the math...

      If you've never used a Palm before... or at least a Palm V (which is what I have...)

      1. You have to hold down the phonebook button for 3 seconds to send the bussiness card [Total: 3 seconds]

      2. A note pops up "Looking for receiver" for a 2 seconds, [5 seconds]

      3. The note gets beamed, taking a second[6 seconds]

      4. Palm has it's "accept message" sign, taking the other user 1-5 seconds to answer [7-12 seconds]

      I'm sure you'll find a problem with this, but it's my math. I know the 10 Mbit will change #3 (which is why I made it a second, not 1-2 or 3 seconds as it is with mine), but it won't change the fact that the Palm's internal setup is still lax.

    13. Re:Here's what I don't get... by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2

      If you're close enough to TOUCH the person... why not just give a business card or TALK to the person???

      Why not do both? Besides, now you can focus on talking about stuff you want to...because you can take the details for granted.

      From the article:

      The technology could allow data communications through door knobs, switches, desks and chairs, the paper said.

      It could pave the way to one day being able to pass through railway ticket gates or entering secure buildings with a simple touch.

      This is really really really great stuff. 10Mbs is more than fast enough to handle thousands of different applications. Hell, you wouldn't even need to remember what you did that day...it's all recorded on your PDA. Where you were, who you spoke with, the names of the people you met, thier jobs, thier contact info...just sitting on a bench at the bus terminal could give you detailed information about routing schedules, etc.

      Stephenson would be proud of this kind of stuff, and rightly so...he was right about most of the cool stuff still coming from Japan. Something like this is way too progressive to be taken seriously in the US, and probably even in europe...the Japanese people have such a great attitude towards technology, I wish I could say that same about the average american.

      Then again, with AOL and MS being "so easy to use no wonder they're #1"...something like this might just catch on...what's easier than a handshake?

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    14. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Ella+the+Cat · · Score: 1

      If you've never used a Palm before

      It's difficult to shake hands without one

    15. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2, Funny

      just wait 'till you fail your degree - you'll get plenty of adding practice in McDonalds.

      Free uniform, too.

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    16. Re:Here's what I don't get... by pjt48108 · · Score: 1

      Well, once people start getting cybernetic implants, they can probobly leverage this technology to gather personal information for networking purposes... Touch a client, get info, act as though blabbing about their family and health came naturally to you, yada yaday yada...

      I see Amway devouring such technology in 15-25 years, once the hardcore Fundies in West Michigan have experienced Rapture and left the rest of us THE HELL ALONE...In fifty years, Amway representatives will be able to shake your hand and upload their own personal "How would you like a check every week for $CURRENT_ENVIABLE_SALARY??" spiel to your implants.

      Maybe by then Amway will also sell something with which to cleanse one's brain of bad influences... [shiver]

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    17. Re:Here's what I don't get... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1

      How will I win lunch at my local restaurant then though? Do I shake hands with the cashier and hope it gets inputted into a database for the business card lunch contest?

    18. Re:Here's what I don't get... by horza · · Score: 2

      If you're close enough to TOUCH the person... why not just give a business card or TALK to the person???

      If you went around the room reciting your 2048bit public key to everybody, you would find a large space rapidly growing around you.

      Phillip.

    19. Re:Here's what I don't get... by falzer · · Score: 1

      If only you used a period at the end of your sentence, you could have gotten +3 Funny!

    20. Re:Here's what I don't get... by Pfhor · · Score: 2

      The other aspect of this is the privacy concerns.

      If people thought the image recognition software for video cameras was a bad idea, imagine being able to get the business card of every person whenever they entered a building or a business.

      I would hope that there would be some way to limit which information is being transmitted.

      The idea of doing a pgp key swap in a handsake and a public key / private key check upong entry to a building are very cool thou.

    21. Re:Here's what I don't get... by krogoth · · Score: 2

      When did the IMDB become the official reference for units?

      For the uninformed, it's the new unit for 2^20 bytes.

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  13. New cabling standards... by Cadre · · Score: 4, Funny
    download ripped DVDs during fornication

    Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, CatSex...

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    1. Re:New cabling standards... by Edgewize · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, CatSex...

      Jees, that's starting to look like my incomming Gnutella queries.

    2. Re:New cabling standards... by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      CatSex

      OW! Mental image!

      As if the Beowulf cluster references were not enough, now I have to imagine castration via angry cat.

      Reeeoorrrww!

  14. hehe, nippon by Dankling · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nippon.. Nippoff... nippon.. nippoff...

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    1. Re:hehe, nippon by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess I understand too much Japanese to find that funny.

      You're probably one of those people who thinks that "Cheese Nips" are the most hillariously named snack ever.

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    2. Re:hehe, nippon by Dankling · · Score: 1

      YOU DISSIN CHEESE NIPS?!?!?!

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    3. Re:hehe, nippon by orthogonal · · Score: 4, Informative

      whats is the origin of the word 'nip' in racial text to asians [and "wog" and "nigger"]?

      "Nip" is short for "Nippon", the Japanese name for their country, or short for "Nipponese", the Japanese name for the people of Japan.

      "Nigger" derives from words various European languages use for the adjective "black"; various etymologists speculate in originated in the French, the Spanish, or the Portugese words for "black".

      "Wog", a disparaging British slang term for non-European "native" peoples, or in some constructs ("the wogs start at Calais") anyone not British, probably derives from Golliwog, a rag doll with African features in a children's storybook, though some probably apocryphal folk etymologies claim it's an abbreviation -- sarcasticly-applied -- of "Worthy Oriental Gentleman". Apparently the term is also applied, derisively, by mmebers of the Church of Scientology to non-Scientologists (?).

      In any case, all these terms are considered disparaging and offensive, especially when used by persons of whom they are not descriptive. (Although "nigger" finds a use, within the black American population when applied to others of the same ethnicity, similar in meaning to "(that black) person".)

    4. Re:hehe, nippon by janneand · · Score: 1

      or the Portugese words for "black".

      Well, the last time I checked the portuguese word for black was preto, atleast in Brazil. In spanish it is ofcourse negro.

      -J

    5. Re:hehe, nippon by gloohufr · · Score: 1
      You're probably one of those people who thinks that "Cheese Nips" are the most hillariously named snack ever.

      And says stuff like, on a chilly day, "As they said at Pearl Harbor, there's a nip in the air!" You bastard!

    6. Re:hehe, nippon by Punto · · Score: 2

      and (as far as I know) the word 'black' in french is 'noir'.

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    7. Re:hehe, nippon by orthogonal · · Score: 2

      and (as far as I know) the word 'black' in french is 'noir'.

      I can't speak for the Portugese (been a while since I heard that as a possible origin), but dictionary.com gives the etymology of "nigger" as "[Alteration of dialectal neger, black person, from French nègre, from Spanish negro. See Negro.]"

      "Noir" is French for black, but I don't that it is (or is not) the only French word for black, and I suspect, as in English, there are numerous synomyms. (In English, off the top of my head: dark, coal, jet, inky; using dictionary.com's thesaurus: jet, ink, ebony, coal pitch, soot, charcoal, sloe, smut, raven, crow, black, sable, swarthy, somber, dark, inky, ebon, atramentous, jetty, coal-black, jet-black, fuliginous, pitchy, sooty, swart, dusky, dingy, murky, Ethiopic, low-toned, low in tone, of the deepest dye.)

  15. Interesting, but... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This looks like an interesting technology, but what about the security implications? Suppose in ten years, everybody carries around a tiny device--the futuristic counterpart to today's cellphones--which acts as a phone, voice recorder/MP3 player, PDA, digital still/video camera, electronic wallet, and even contains the digital keys to your house, car, and whatever. All you have to do is touch the doorknob to your house and it'll read the keys from your device and unlock automatically.

    Now ask yourself this: What's to stop crackers from using a root-kit that operates through handshakes to steal information from your electronic device and then use that information to break into your stuff? Is this another one of those technologies that will become totally critical in our everyday lives, and that will also become a huge security problem?

    1. Re:Interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Make sure you shake hands with your vendor regularly to get the latest fixes/patches for your device.

    2. Re:Interesting, but... by Binome · · Score: 1

      I forsee a future where people can get life in prison for tapping someone's shoulder.

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    3. Re:Interesting, but... by Patik · · Score: 1
      All you have to do is touch the doorknob to your house and it'll read the keys from your device and unlock automatically.
      According to Back to the Future Part II, this will be commonplace by 2015.
    4. Re:Interesting, but... by volkris · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as a problem.
      I mean, it's a VERY obvious concern and nobody would release such a thing if the problems weren't solved. Think of the lawsuits!

      In any case, this seems like a very simple matter to solve cryptographically. Just give a public key to the lock on your house and keep a private key on your person. Perhaps some bioidentification built in to the device would help matters further.

    5. Re:Interesting, but... by encrypted · · Score: 2, Funny

      The sex was great but she rooted my handheld.

    6. Re:Interesting, but... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ``What's to stop crackers...''
      Don't use the technology. Same thing with all those password managers today. If you are concerned about their security, just say no.

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    7. Re:Interesting, but... by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Oh my god, you're right! never in the history of mankind has anyone kept everything about them self in one easy to get place!
      except perhaps, the purse.

      besides, if you are going to use touch technology, why wouldn't you use fingerprints?

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    8. Re:Interesting, but... by Artine · · Score: 1

      Because fingerprints require the ability to read and intrepret biometric information, which is more complicated than simply reading and processing a digital signal.

      But you make a great point. There definitely does need to be some sort of biometric authentication for things that truly do need be secure, such as one's home.

    9. Re:Interesting, but... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      "Now ask yourself this: What's to stop crackers from using a root-kit that operates through handshakes to steal information from your electronic device and then use that information to break into your stuff?"

      They're called gloves, man.

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  16. So if the DNA is 760 MB by PissingInTheWind · · Score: 5, Funny

    at 10Mb/s our body could transmit it's own DNA in 1 hour and 41 minutes.

    9 months is a long time compared to that...

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    1. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by afidel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well the actual transmition can be acomplished in as few as 5 seconds, emm errr or so I'm told.

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    2. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by inerte · · Score: 1

      Actually it's been done, averages about 7 minutes, and it's called sex.

    3. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by Kompressor · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of 5mL of semon.

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    4. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by dodobh · · Score: 2

      Transmit time is only a few seconds/minutes :) (including patching the code).
      The problem is that the source takes 9 months to compile :)

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    5. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by dk.r*nger · · Score: 1

      I can also throw a box of DVD movies 13 stories down on the street in, what, 5 seconds? On an average 2 GB pr disk and 20 disks in the box, that's 8 GB/sec! And the box is like 20 cents, if not available free.

      3com is selling their 1 Gbit stuff at, like, 100's of $$! Go home! :)

    6. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by bokmann · · Score: 2

      I dunno about you, but I *wish* it took me almost two hours to transmit my DNA!

      The 9 months isn't the transmission... it's the time it takes to interpret it. I believe the average male 'transmits' in something like 7 minutes.

      -db

    7. Re:So if the DNA is 760 MB by bilbobuggins · · Score: 2
      After 9 months of dating he meant

      this is /. after all

  17. In Related News... by leviramsey · · Score: 1

    ...backbone providers have announced plans to pay people minimum wage to hold hands with each other as a backup backbone.

    1. Re:In Related News... by foobar104 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...backbone providers have announced plans to pay people minimum wage to hold hands with each other as a backup backbone.

      Sigh. The way the job markets looks right about now, I would take that job.

  18. A thought... by Derg · · Score: 2, Insightful
    To quote the Article:
    It could also get a computer to start up with the proper settings as soon as the user sat down, the paper said.

    I think this would be a benefit for both computer security and for true multi-user desktop environments, as well as network access.. Instead of a password, you need the hardware device to access a specific account. then again, it is just one more device to lose/break/power/carry.

    Just a thought..

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    1. Re:A thought... by BlackHawk · · Score: 2

      • Instead of a password, you need the hardware device to access a specific account. then again, it is just one more device to lose/break/power/carry

      Unless you embed the device, say, under a layer of muscle. Or in a distributed network, perhaps powered by chemical interaction with the bloodstream. That way the device can't be lost, or stolen.. or... or removed. Say did anyone else just feel a chill?

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    2. Re:A thought... by Derg · · Score: 1

      I am oddly reminded of A Wesley Snipes movie (Demolition Man I do believe) where the great bionic security retina scan system they employed was circumnavigated with a pen... through the wardens eye.. but whatever.. similar to this idea of implanting, I'd much rather someone just steal my device from my pocket, that remove my arm to gain access to my things...

      Just my $.02

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    3. Re:A thought... by mkldev · · Score: 1


      How about the back of your watch? Metal object, in constant contact with your skin. Much less painful, and maybe even practical, too.

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  19. This is new? by Arcaeris · · Score: 1

    According to an earlier post today, the sequence of my DNA is something like 715 MB.

    Using my body "conductivity", I can transfer my DNA to a person in, 3-4 seconds? That's like 238 MB/sec. The whole uplink/"stream" process can take as little as 30 seconds to 1 minute. That's still a minimum of about 12 MB/second for the entire "load."

    Some news.

  20. We should use this for the last mile. by Hershmire · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It gives a whole new meaning to "hands around the world". Now where to find volunteers...

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    1. Re:We should use this for the last mile. by captredballs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, when Worldcom bites the dust we might need to organize "Hands Around the World" just to read /.

      Genetic engineering is going to become a much higher priority for geeks as soon as they need to overclock THAT bus :-)

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  21. Intercourse tops this a little.. by stardazed0 · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, semen is probably a lot quicker than this -- gigabits per second -- but of course, if you average this over time from motivation for data exchange to time of exchange, most guys on here would be better off with mud..

    1. Re:Intercourse tops this a little.. by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget that your sperm only hold half of your genes. You're overestimating the number of bytes transmitted a bit there.

      It's kind of like the old saying that I'm too lazy to look up right now. "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes tooling down the expressway."

    2. Re:Intercourse tops this a little.. by CoolVibe · · Score: 2
      No, haploid cells (like a male's sperm) have 1 complete copy of your genes. Diploid cells (any other cells in your body) have 2 copies for mitosis.

      Just a little nitpick. I suppose you never paid attention during biology :)

    3. Re:Intercourse tops this a little.. by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Okay, I guess you're right. The normal state is to have two of each of your chromosomes, while haploid cells only have one of each. So while a sperm only has half of your genetic material, it's got a full set.

      And I did pay attention in biology; it's just that it was so long ago. ;-)

  22. Shades of "The Belonging Kind" by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dark club, a whisper in your ear.

    "I know what you like".

    A fleeting touch verifies it- she sure does.

    So, she settles down next to you, and rests her hand on your leg. It can't be the data-transmission that's making you shiver, you've done this before.

    A few breathless minutes later, she smiles, and kisses you lightly on the forehead.

    "Keep the faith."

    You know you will. After all, a quick glance at your PDA shows that you've benefitted twice tonight.

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    What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

    1. Re:Shades of "The Belonging Kind" by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      "The Gernsback Continuum" is his best short story; that is, it's my favorite of his short stories. It's also included in Burning Chrome, I think. Worth a read.

    2. Re:Shades of "The Belonging Kind" by bovril · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That was a great story, but it should've been called something like "Alcoholic Mutants Find Love". ;)

      Since we're going down the sci-fi path... This article reminded me more of the IR palm implants in Greg Egan's "Quarantine". Great book for the neural mods and other tech gadgets.

      But exchanging email addresses with a handshake sounds more like someone's trying to create an evil, networking, Tony Robbins fueled, cyborg-spammer from hell. Like Skynet, but with free university degrees and penis enlarging creams...

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  23. 10mbps For The Healthy by spudwiser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but in order to reach full 10mbps you have to have a diet rich in copper.

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    1. Re:10mbps For The Healthy by stuffman64 · · Score: 2

      How about gold or silver?

      Silver, the best conductor, would be great at improving throughput. It is also one of the modern-day snake oils in the form of "colloidal silver" which was popular during that Y2K thing as it was believed to prevent you from getting sick. Stan Jones, the libertarian senate candidate from Montana, made his own concoction and drank it. It ends up, if you consume enough, your skin will turn a pale blueish-grey and you will look like you are dead. That's what you get for beleiving Y2K hype...

      Also, at Wegman's today, I saw some "7 Layer Opera Cake," topped with 23-carat gold leaf. The lady in charge of all the delicious treats asured me that the gold is in fact edible, and adds a distinct taste to the cake. Intrigued, I bought the $4USD delicacy (which was a whole 100 cubic cm in volume). It was really good, but I'm sure the gold was entirly unnecessary (I could detect no difference in the taste in the bites with the gold leaf). I should have tested the resistance of my skin with my multimeter both before and a while after eating the cake. What would really be funny is if it did in fact make a difference. Maybe I'll try again sometime.

      You might want to try the cake (very yummy, even for 4 bucks), but keep away from the colloidal silver stuff.

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  24. Security? by LowAmmoWarning · · Score: 1

    So what happens when a person gets DoS attacks? Or infected with a virus? Can we just unplug you? Or turn you off?

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    1. Re:Security? by inerte · · Score: 1

      So what happens when a person gets DoS attacks?

      1: Slap!
      2: I am calling the DMCA!

    2. Re:Security? by Seor+Pelo · · Score: 1

      Actually, this would be kindof cool. I bet that a data purge receptacle would become commonplace. Maybe in public restrooms, along with the other "purge" stalls. Just touch it like you would a touch-lamp, and all remnant data would be cleaned from the body.

  25. Virus by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

    Gives new meaning to that old story about virii(or is it viruses?) being spread when people shake hands...

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    1. Re:Virus by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Gives new meaning to that old story about virii(or is it viruses?) being spread when people shake hands...

      It's "viruses." And, in case you've been living your new life in the off-world colonies or something ("A chance to begin again!"), viruses are spread by shaking hands!

    2. Re:Virus by geekoid · · Score: 2

      "viruses are spread by shaking hands!"

      now you've done it! this person will now lock themselves in a room, and wear tissue boxes on there feet!

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  26. In other news.... by Bobulusman · · Score: 4, Funny

    The DMCA has announced that skin is now illegal.

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    1. Re:In other news.... by Winged+Cat · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? Given what they (sponsors of the DMCA) sell, skin is one of the last things they'd declare illegal.

  27. Great, yet another phobia! by dan.hunt · · Score: 1

    So those people who have issues with germs will not want to shake hands for risk of contracting a virus, worm or other PDA nasty. So does this mean Norton antivirus will team up Proctor and Gamble to make Zest antivirus?

  28. ... and while you're at it by timothy · · Score: 1

    why not surgically attach yourself to them as well? Since you'll be close enough, if you can get your companion to drop his / her guard just briefly, you can assure his or her permanent attention to anything you might have to say with a quick application of superglue and instant sutures.

    Haven't you ever wanted to exchange information (like telephone numbers, email address, etc) with someone for future reference? :)

    This just skips a few awkward moments.

    What it seems most like to me is the current (and quite cool) ability for Palm OS devices to beam information to each other -- faster, more accurate and less subject to loss than scribbling numbers on napkins.

    timothy

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    1. Re:... and while you're at it by Latent+IT · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Okay, I'll go for the offtopic award of the day. Did you know that certain people are for some reason totally immune to crazy glue? Well, I mean, not totally immune. But I can pour the stuff on my hand, and slap it on a desk... and wait for a good long period of time, then just peel my hand off, with no pain, and very little resistance. And I leave a lovely hand print.

      Anyone know why?

    2. Re:... and while you're at it by CoolVibe · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Anyone know why?

      Because you're a freak of nature?

      nah, just kidding... I seem to have that "property" too. It's a great party trick. Especially when some shmuck tries to copy it :)

    3. Re:... and while you're at it by orthogonal · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Did you know that certain people are for some reason totally immune to crazy glue?

      I'm guessing oily hands. Try using soap. ;)

    4. Re:... and while you're at it by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      You're right, watching some schmuk try to imitate it is pretty funny, which is why I'm glad I tried it at home and not out somewhere with people... Apparently the INTENSE BURNING that I experienced after slapping my hand onto my desk while covered in crazy glue is the normal sensation associated with the act. And the many many bits of skin I left behind are also standard reaction to that particular procedure. So, in the future, please refrain from mentioning interesting properties of your hands as I will almost certainly be compelled to test to see if I share those properties.

      Kintanon
      Oh, BTW, I'm immune to poison ivy and poison oak. I can rub the stuff all over me and not so much as twitch.

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  29. stuff by Raven42rac · · Score: 3, Funny

    damnit, thats no ethernet cable, why, its people, NTT is people I tell you, people!

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  30. Re:Any Body Parts? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

    Baby.. wanna have sex and while we're at it can I download your girls gone wild movies?

  31. 1 hour 41 minutes!? by I+didn't · · Score: 1

    My DNA transmission can only last for several seconds...

  32. Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by starseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Problems: Stores might rig their doornobs to download your personal information as you go in the store. Privacy issue. Or someone could touch you, and have all your information stored. Think potential stalkers/criminals/etc. Scary. Of course you could always turn it off, I suppose, but if you forget it's a problem. I assume I'm not the only absent minded human around.

    However, there are some interesting possibilities:

    A credit card reader could read your body's electrical signal, as it is also scanning the card. Added consumer security. Even cooler would be if each person had a unique electrical signal their body generates, but I don't know anything about that. Either way, interesting.

    You could make long distance calls from anywhere, and have the phone read your calling card number automatically when you pick up the phone.

    Possibility of electronic "keys" for car/house stored in PDA. Not so good if PDA is lost or crashes, but if you can call the company and say "My PDA is gone - please scramble my house key codes until we can resolve the issue" it might work. Locking the house would be great - simply disable the electronic circuit from the inside and there is no lock to pick. As for someone who tries to crack it while you're out, simply have the system stop taking input for five seconds if it gets a bad signal. With billions of possibilities at five seconds a try, it wouldn't work real well trying to crack it. If you're paranoid, have it take thirty seconds. No more fumbling with keys or those little remote control keychains, either - just touch and open.

    Many issues to resolve, but some very cool possibilities as well.

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    1. Re:Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by Galahad2 · · Score: 2

      Why has no one considered that there would have to be some consent of the person transmitting the data? It's not like the PDA is going to be constantly broadcasting. Even if this technology is made widely available, I sincerely doubt that there will ever be privacy issues with people stealing your email address right from the palm of your hand.

    2. Re:Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by Martigan80 · · Score: 1

      Well people then can be bred to be key, safe passes and such, but what do you do when your key dies?

      Brings a whole new term to security.

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    3. Re:Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by GospelHead821 · · Score: 2

      Redundancy is an excellent failsafe. The PDA "key" would be the quick, convenient way to unlock the door. In the case of the PDA being lost or damaged, so that it cannot get you into the house, you get the real key out from under the flowerbox and unlock the door (the slow, inconvenient way). Just because technology has evolved and real, metal keys are no longer strictly necessary does not mean that keeping them around for failures of technology is a bad thing. Just like it's not a bad idea to keep a bit of spare cash around the house, in case you lose your ATM card.

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    4. Re:Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

      As for someone who tries to crack it while you're out, simply have the system stop taking input for five seconds if it gets a bad signal. With billions of possibilities at five seconds a try, it wouldn't work real well trying to crack it. If you're paranoid, have it take thirty seconds.

      This is a practice of Lotus Notes that's rolled into their "anti-spoofing" Password dialog. If you miss the password once, you're immediately re-prompted. You miss it again, the prompt takes a few seconds to show. Do it again.... etc... until it takes 30 seconds between prompts.

      Very good feature; tried and true. It should exist everywhere there's such a prompt, including this human stuff.

    5. Re:Some things to resolve, but amazing potential by Artine · · Score: 1

      You're right, and that's where the problem comes from:

      If the PDA is constantly broadcasting, then it's easy as pie, but it's not secure.

      If the PDA is /not/ constantly broadcasting, then it's too inconvenient to be worthwhile: you'll have to go through some sort of a process to enable it which, which, if it's to be safe enough to not be accidentally enabled while in your pocket, is going to take just as long as getting out a business card.


      I see troubles with this.

  33. Now Just Wait a Second by serutan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anybody else think this sounds just a teensy bit flaky? The article says the connection works through clothing ... "Apparel and handbags have their own conductivity, allowing an electrical connection to a PDA that can remain in one's pocket..." Huh?? 10 mbps using the cloth of my pocket as a conductor??

    I have a suspicion that news.au.com is getting one slipped to them. The closest Google result I could get with "NTT NoCoMo skin" is this article about a cell phone that conducts sound through bone and cartilage, enabling you to listen to the call by sticking your finger in your ear.

    Uhhh, okie dokie.

    1. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by blakestah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anybody else think this sounds just a teensy bit flaky?

      Absolutely.

      Although, I am telling you right now, if we greased our palms with conducting paste, and gripped REALLY hard, we could get down to 100 kOhms in conductance. Then we deal with noise. Now, most of the connecting tissue is stricly low-pass (which is a bitch for high bandwidth issues), and noise is in the millivolts range. To add insult to injury, most of the signal loss will occur in the skin itself, so this application is a really tough one. I think in the lab you could probably rig it to transmit the amount of info in a business card, maybe.

      OTOH, detecting a handshake and using that to trigger an IR linkup seems fairly easy.

    2. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by havardi · · Score: 1

      I'm no electrical engineer, but Ohms is a measure of Resistance, not conductivity. Interestingly enough, Mhos is the reciprocal measurment of Ohms.

    3. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by achurch · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a suspicion that news.au.com is getting one slipped to them. The closest Google result I could get with "NTT NoCoMo skin" is this article about a cell phone that conducts sound through bone and cartilage, enabling you to listen to the call by sticking your finger in your ear.

      Maybe you could try actually reading the article? It clearly states the source of the news, the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, and in fact the article is right at the top of the "companies" section (link, or Fish translation).

    4. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by Monkelectric · · Score: 2
      Im not either, but I play one on TV. Conductance (denoted by G) is measured in S (Siemens) and G=R^(-1) (R = resistance in OHMS) ... so you are right it's technically an abuse of the language, but an understandable one as G and R are reciprocals.

      Maybe someone who knows more about it could tell us why there needs to be a unit for conductance at all (must simplify something else?)

      (this lecture brought to you by the asinine computer science requirements at UC Riverside)

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    5. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by Ian+Peon · · Score: 2

      This sounds quite close to tech a friend of mine was working on (before getting laid off) a few years back.

      If I remember correctly, it actually worked by modulating a signal over the electrical field near your skin, and although the sensor didn't have to touch skin, it worked better if it did.

    6. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by ebatsky · · Score: 1
      Uh, I think that means that handbags, etc will have wires going to your body or made of conducting material if you're planning on carrying your PDA in them.

      Reading comprehension is your friend.

    7. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by vr · · Score: 2

      greasing my palms with conducting paste sounds like fun :)

    8. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by anocow · · Score: 1
      well, here's the japanese version if you can read it -> Nikkei news

      my japanese is not perfect, but the news.com.au article and the nikkei article has basically the same info. regarding your comment, the japanese text mentions that "clothes and handbags also have some conductivity" which would imply that you prolly don't get the full 10mbps you do with human skin.

    9. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by Bishop923 · · Score: 2

      GF: You want me to smear Artic Silver WHERE?!

    10. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by dtmos · · Score: 1

      The Mho is the old, "unofficial" unit of conductance. The Siemen, the formal unit of conductance designed to replace the mho, is a derived SI unit of conductance, established some time back.

      The main reason for discussing conductivity, as the AC suggests, is in cases where the resistance is very low, such as in describing the electrical conductivity of liquid solutions or soils. It is also used when analyzing parallel (not series) circuits, wherein, also as the AC suggests, 1/R1 + 1/R2 = 1/Rtot, but it's much easier to calculate S1 + S2 = Stot.

    11. Re:Now Just Wait a Second by limproach · · Score: 1

      I can just see it now... Person A "hey how are you doing?" ::shakes hand:: Person B "pretty good" ::realizes that A is rubbing his hand because he can't get a solid connection::

  34. Oh, but to have this on a college exam.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Where you can get charged with academic dishonesty not for looking over at someone elses' test or passing a cheat sheet, but for just givin 'em a high five. That's neat.

  35. I guess... but can I run Kazaa on it? by Q3vi1 · · Score: 1

    That could be concidered a very effecient Peer-to-Peer relationship, however, I'm still waiting until I can get 802.11a wired directly into my brain. The idea of it is simply a little disturbing for me, especially when dealing with power regulation. I wouldn't want a simple thing like a business card exchange to become a 'shocking' experience.

  36. College budget by incom · · Score: 1

    Now having an overcrowded dormroom can be a plus, you can save the cost of networking cable.

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  37. Re:*grits-teeth-in-rage* by foobar104 · · Score: 5, Funny

    2002-10-07 01:14:50 Download Porn Videos While You Kiss (articles,news) (rejected)

    Perhaps now you're starting to understand the importance of a good title.

  38. Exchange Emails by uberstool · · Score: 1

    A handshake is about all it takes to get emails from Exchange

  39. How Legit is This...? by Lord+of+the+Fries · · Score: 1

    I haven't even read the article, probably wont. Isn't every couple of months there's some startup scam promising some massive jump and paradigm shift in bandwidth? Aren't we about due another one?

    --
    One man's pink plane is another man's blue plane.
  40. Communicable Viruses? by havardi · · Score: 1

    New reason to wash your hands after pissing. Your PDA may pick up viruses left in the static charge of bathroom doorhandles, etc. For serious.

  41. From Japan? by zwoelfk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't anyone else find it odd that this was developed in Japan of all places? Living there, I don't know when the last time I shook hands with someone was. At least this could be handy for exchanging information with women... because I don't when when the last time I had (physical) contact with a man.

    1. Re:From Japan? by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but think about the classic Japanese two-handed business card handover. What we really need is conductive business cards.
      But, oh, I guess that by then they've *got* the information. Never mind.
      Maybe you're just supposed to bow *really close* at just the same time and same degree (warning, status eval. violation) and the few strands of hair that contact act as the conductors.
      Nope, never work.
      O.K. Let's face it. This is clearly meant for use in the subway. A whole new defense for sexual harassment. "I wasn't fondling your breast, I was just checking to see if you were logged in."

      --
      Data is the lever, rigor the fulcrum, brains the force that drives it all.
  42. Metal Gear Solid predicted it... by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

    ... and it happend. Granted I probably shouldn't give Hideo Kojima credit, but DAMN. Where's my Guided missles dammit?!

    (The device in question was a key card that identified you just by touching a door through the process listed above.)

    --
    Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
  43. But a paradox... by moosesocks · · Score: 2

    If I were to record a digital sample of my voice at 10MBps, wouldn't I be transferring data at 10MBps by using my body?

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    -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
  44. big deal... by JoeBlows · · Score: 1

    people have been doing this since E-mail became an esential business tool.......

    it is called the business card.

    --
    True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
  45. Typhoid Melissa? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    New way to transfer a virus?

    Not only a bio-bug, but also e-bugs.

  46. Oh great, more spam, just lovely. by Skapare · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh great, more spam, just lovely. And they'll say I opted-in, too ... with my handshake.

    --
    now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  47. buisness cards by blystovski · · Score: 1

    This would be wonderful in the buisness world - you would never have to remember everyone's names again! By shaking their hand you could get their name, phone numbers, e-mail, picture of them, details of their company - everything humans normally don't remember.

  48. So 10 mbps with a handshake? by Skapare · · Score: 1, Redundant

    So 10 mbps with a handshake? What kind of bandwidth could I get with sexual intercourse? Enough, given the time, to transfer a full movie? Talk about peer-to-peer trading. No more Napster or Kazaa ... the world's oldest profession makes a come-back in the digital age. Jack is sure gonna be pissed.

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    now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  49. Actually... by darkov · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't it mean that you actually have to touch somebody? I think it defeats the whole purpose.

  50. Gives a whole new meaning to... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1, Redundant

    place your hand on the Bible and swear...

  51. Hello by xee · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Hello, Identity Theft. This takes IP spoofing to a whole new level.

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    Oh shit! I forgot to click "Post Anonymously"...
  52. Wear protection kids :) by phatStrat · · Score: 1

    I guess this means we can't go around just touching anything without worrying about germs and virii... for our PDAs. Time to get the "win32\doorknob.a" update for my AV proggy.

  53. Spam? by udecker · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now the spammers will just run around slapping people.

    1. Re:Spam? by Maran · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Now the spammers will just run around slapping people."

      Yes, but then there'd be a wonderful reason for responding.

      No slap I slap am slap not slap interested slap but slap thanks slap anyway slap.

      Maran

  54. What if we don't want to store their data? by tiomapengineer · · Score: 1

    What if we don't want to store their data? Can you imagine how many contacts you would have if you stored a business card for every hand you shook?

  55. what will they do in Japan? by JoeBlows · · Score: 1

    they don't touch each other when doing business...they just bow.

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    True capitalism = lots of similar companies = jobs for everyone who wants one.
  56. warez by Atilla · · Score: 1

    hey, this is a great way to trade warez and mp3's!
    taking p2p one step up.. just think how much friendlier warez swap meets could be - everyone's shaking hands... :)

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    --- sig moved for great justice.
  57. 10Mb/s for email exchange? by Ziviyr · · Score: 2

    Must be sending one of those big raytraced spinning animgifs for that to be used.

    Unless handshaking involves flicking a fly off someone.

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    Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
  58. Hands Across America by extra88 · · Score: 2

    Hands Across America was an early trial for this technology. It was determined that fiber optics would be more cost effective for long haul data transmission.

  59. Because you cant pirate music by talking! by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    How the hell can you give the guy the latest Metallica tune by talking? Just grab his junk and give it to him.

  60. Spies by TheHummer · · Score: 1

    I was just thinking that the art of spying gets easier with this technology. One can transmit valuable data by touch. Or you could be a carrier of super-secrets and not even know it!

    Now instead of having their laptops lost, they get their PDAs stolen...

  61. RIAA requires everybody to wear full body condoms by NZheretic · · Score: 2
    And Hollywood demand lawmakers pass manditory "no touching" laws.

    Be sure to check out Lawrence Lessig's freeculture speech.

  62. That's old... doing it for years! by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 1

    That's quite old - people are doing it for years - only they are using slower technology - something like 50 Bits/sec @ 230 V. Some strange ones are using 110 V.

  63. Climate? by DaPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Is it possible that the climate of japan allows for more moisture buildup on the surface of the skin? maybe the saltiness of their sweat allows for the transfer.

    Maybe it pricks into your skin Johnny Nmeumonic style...

    lol.

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    -- -=innocent ramblings from the mind of an insomniatic programmer=-
  64. mine is a pile of nasty rags by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    It's been read and re-read and loaned out (often to people going to other countries) that it's in sad, sad shape. Now, see, I need to get that in palm doc format.

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    What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

  65. Hey, as long as I can refuse incoming data... by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    If the data is fake I can just vulcan neck pinch the mofo and throw him in a dumpster.

    Although, would you mind so much getting body contact from a lovely female spam-vixen?

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    What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

  66. Viruses? by connsmythe96 · · Score: 1

    Who's gonna come up with the first PDA virus that can be transmitted via handshakes? Careful who you touch...they may be infected...

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    if(!cool) exit(-1);
  67. Cultural note.. by djupedal · · Score: 1

    This is an interesting development, coming from Japan, where they prefer to not press the flesh.

  68. Subway by NETHED · · Score: 1

    So I'm on a subway and its jam packed full of people, would I be networked with ALL OF THEM? Wouldn't something like this open itself up for the p-2-p problem? (I.E. the 'ping, i'm here' bandwidth overuse) I know people have mentioned spam, and rightly so. A spammer could go into a subway, hold on to the railing and transmit to nearly everyone in that train.

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    --sig fault--
  69. Next on the market .... by shri · · Score: 2

    Body condo^H^H^H^H^H gloves to prevent unauthorised virii being transmited by human contact.

  70. Theft by body-as-conductive-path proxy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Something that can go through clothing might not have too much trouble using me as the conductive path needed to borrow the credit card of the person standing next to me.

  71. Interesting possibilities... by MBoffin · · Score: 1

    This kind of technology brings up some interesting possibilities for the field of espionage.

    For example, the passing of information from an agent to another agent could be as inconspicuous as two people whose hands happen to touch while holding the same handrail in a subway car.

  72. virii!! by ryochiji · · Score: 1

    Sheesh. I'd be afraid of touching anyone because, who knows, I might get a virus or something. Or is there going to be a Norton AntiVirus for Humans 1.0? And make sure your condoms have built in firewalls.

    1. Re:virii!! by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2

      New pickup line: Oh baby, let me be your firewall tonight!

      --
      You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
  73. This was *going* to be a WIRELESS link... by Tokerat · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but some of the test subjects' "antenna" wasn't quite long enough for decent reception.

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    CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
    1. Re:This was *going* to be a WIRELESS link... by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 2

      Only because it was cut short when they were born. Try it outside USA where the antennas are left naturally long.

    2. Re:This was *going* to be a WIRELESS link... by Tokerat · · Score: 1
      1. The tech. was developed in Japan. Last I looked we hadn't bought them out yet ;-)
      2. Obviously you know nothing about the process, or just wish to slam the USA. Also, I'm sure it's pretty popular in Israel and anywhere with a prominent Jewish community. It is part of their religion, you know. ("I'M NOT GOING TO LET THEM CUT OFF YOUR FIREMAN, IKE!") Research or stop trolling.
      kthx drvthru(TM)
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      CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
    3. Re:This was *going* to be a WIRELESS link... by idontneedanickname · · Score: 1

      I think these people can help.

  74. might work... by ryochiji · · Score: 2, Informative

    In a crowded train in Tokyo, you'd have a network with up to 50 nodes. That could be some serious computing power there (assuming that processing power of phones and PDAs increase significantly).

  75. Originally developed in 1996 at MIT & IBM by XNormal · · Score: 2

    Personal Area Networks.

    I've seen comments about pacemakers and safety of this technology. Quoted from the page above:
    The current used is one-billionth of an amp (one nanoamp), which is lower than the natural currents already in the body. In fact, the electrical field created by running a comb through hair is more than 1,000 times greater than that being used by PAN technology.

    --
    Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
  76. short cables by scep · · Score: 1

    so if my cat5 cable is just to short, i can get somebody to hold the two ends to make it fit.

  77. carrying data within your body? by zdzichu · · Score: 1

    We have seen how to carry data in one's body. Remember William Gibson's "Johny Mnemonic"? Now we have transmission method, we only have to develop storage.

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    :wq
  78. Snow Crash by richie2000 · · Score: 3, Funny
    This is sooo Snow Crash. Now, not only can you rub against someone and catch a cold, you can get viruses in your beltwares as well. Your cellphone will set up conference calls to bad payporn when you try to call your mom, your watch will continually blink 06:66 and set off the alarm at odd hours and your PDA will make an appointment for a Golden Shower in your own office by a smelly Bill Gates-lookalike in drag really, really early on Monday morning. Crap, there goes the whole week.

    Just another reason to keep wearing my rubber gloves. *snap*

    --
    Money for nothing, pix for free
  79. Re:10mbps by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    Because you cant talk at 10mbps. duh.

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    -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  80. Some Clarifications by kepart · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've been doing my PhD work on systems like this (Intrabody Communication). It does work! However, there are a number of issues, some of which aren't clear from the article.

    First, 10 Mbps is possible, but that's getting near the theoretical limit. The datarate is limited by the bandwidth, and the bandwidth is limited by the fact that around 50MHz, the signal wavelength is about four times the size of a person, which means the person turns into an antenna, and the whole system becomes essentially a short range radio.

    Second, because these systems operate in the near field, the signal travels through a current loop, and not as plane waves in free space. This means that there has to be some kind of grounding path for current to flow back to the transmitter after going through the person. This is why it works so well to put transceivers in shoes -- the ground path can flow through earth ground (or any conductive material in the floor). For devices held in hands, the very small (femtofarad) capacitance of free space is enough, but the signal does suffer more from noise. Devices in purses, etc. also have this problem, and may have difficulty establishing the ground connection depending on the material the purse is made from and the other objects inside it.

    One issue that to my knowledge has not been addressed very well is guaranteeing that the signal is received during--and only during--physical contact. There is a large dependence of signal strength on geometry. The devices I've constructed can communicate when they're brought near (~10 cm) of each other, touching or not. There are a few solutions, such as looking at jumps in signal strength, but they tend to be confused when a person without a transceiver happens to touch the object, and a person with a transceiver is nearby. I'm currently working on this problem for my PhD dissertation, so if you have any good ideas or know of related work, I'd love to hear from you.

    If you'd like to read more, the first (and most detailed) publication I know about on this idea was Thomas Zimmerman's Masters Thesis at the MIT AI Lab. You find it here: http://www.media.mit.edu/physics/publications/thes es/95.09.zimmerman.pdf

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    Kurt Partridge
    Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering
    University of Washington
    Seattle, WA 98195

    1. Re:Some Clarifications by serutan · · Score: 2

      Wow! That's really amazing. My initial reaction, knowing only a little about this area, was that it sounded completely whimsical. Amidst all the noise here it's nice to get detailed information from somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.

    2. Re:Some Clarifications by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      The fact that the system relies on body capacitance to complete the circuit also means that it will be possible to intercept the signal.

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      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    3. Re:Some Clarifications by pseudochaotic · · Score: 1

      ..."the whole system becomes essentially a short range radio." Does this mean it would be possible to do this wirelessly?

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    4. Re:Some Clarifications by kepart · · Score: 1

      Yes it does!

      But at large distances, it is more difficult to snoop than conventional radio waves. Far enough away, the system looks like a dipole, so the E-field magnitude drops with the distance cubed, rather than the distance squared.

    5. Re:Some Clarifications by kepart · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand your question. The idea for these systems is that the person is used as a wire; and communication is possible only when the person touches the object (or person) that they wish to communicate with. If the system is misdesigned, then it is possible to pick up the signal whether or not the person is touching the other object, so the system behaves more like a wireless radio.

  81. Virii Writers Guild Meeting by jukal · · Score: 2

    Hello, Bob, long time no see. *shake hands*. Welcome, Klez. Jeff too! Slapper, remember to behave yourself. As it seems everyone is here, could you please give the opening speech, Alex.

  82. In related news, the MPAA... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra...

    Let's see their thinking...

    A DVD has about as many bits per second as you can transfer. Basically, that means that for a 1:40 DVD, you would need to keep up the contact for an hour and 40 minutes to be able to transfer the 6GB involved.

    Therefore, anyone who attempts to obtain the ability to do that must be a video pirate...

    -- Terry

  83. don't let it get into terrorist hands?!?! by G.+W.+Bush+Junior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OMG!
    This is going to be the next terror weapon against the US! Terrorists will be able to transfer secret terrorist plans real easy!

    They can go around spreading secret terrorist virusses by simply touching victims, this can lead to terrible epidemics.

    Why haven't we done anything to stop japan from developing these weapons... we could have nuked them before it was to late!

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    "I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." -George H.W. Bush
  84. New Hack... by To0n · · Score: 1

    I can see someone hacking this upping the amperage and using it as that old hand buzzer joke....

    "Meeting him was just electrifying..."

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    blah
  85. ACK! I've been hacked! by Ainu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean latex is now a firewall?

  86. old applications of new technology by kyletinsley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously, I think this new technology could be used in some interesting ways. I'm waiting for someone to work it into the electric chairs used on death row, for a particularly fitting punishment for certain individuals...

    "Jerry Bruckheimer, for your crimes against humanity, this court orders you to be put to death via electric chair. 100 million copies of Armageddon will be digitally sent through your body each second until you are sufficiently fried. And may God have mercy on your crap-movie making ass..."

  87. Sounds familiar, but with more applications... by Ian+Peon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A friend of mine had told me (a few years ago) about how his company was working on ways to use body conductivity and the electical fields surrounding our bodies to pass data. This article sounds very familiar.

    Passing data from one person to another was one of the uses, but the other I found much more interesting.

    Imagine a personal device "cloud" where your PDA, watch, and cell phone all pass data back and forth. Your watch acts as a small display for your cell and/or your PDA and receives time updates via the cell. Your PDA uses the cell for data calls. Your cell uses your PDA to look up names and numbers. All (theoretically ;) seamlessly.

    Take it a step further, and create small modules that plug into this personal network. Maybe a keychain of functions all accessable through your watch or PDA. Maybe carry a Quake quarter in your pocket.

    Nokia make a lot of press with putting a camera in a cell phone. I haven't looked at the spec, but I'd imagine that like many multi-function devices, it doesn't do either well. Imagine your (dedicated to task) camera taking pics, and storing them on another device (is that smart card in your wallet or are you just happy to see me?), previewing the pics on your phone and sending them from there. You could easily give them to someone else with a handshake.

    Quite a lot of possibility. I had often thought that the business card exchange application was the least exciting...

    1. Re:Sounds familiar, but with more applications... by morie · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine has this camera-phone. It actually does things very OK, and it is easy to have a picture pop up as the phone rings. Even more so after a night out, where you may have exchanged phonenumbers and you can't recall what she looks like...

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    2. Re:Sounds familiar, but with more applications... by serutan · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but those annoyingly long handshakes salespeople give you will go on forever when they get the capability to upload multimedia presentations to your PDA. :-)

  88. great... by heby · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...with a pda in my pocket that keeps the electrical potential of my skin oscillating at a carrier frequecy of 10mhz, i guess i can stop worrying about having my cellphone in the back pocket of my jeans, the high voltage lines over my house and the high power radar at the airport in sight ;-)

  89. Re:RIAA requires everybody to wear full body condo by Nogami_Saeko · · Score: 2

    I wonder if it means that the MPAA/RIAA would be buying senators to add DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) to our bodies now...

    All kidding aside though, I'd love for something like this to be available to get rid of my damn too-big keychain. Just being able to have something like a watch which would unlock a locked door, pay for a cola from a vending machine, or automatically pay at the pump when I take the nozzle out of the pump to fill up the car.

    N.

    --
    "Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence." - Charles de Gaulle
  90. Side effects by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 1

    No one seems to mention the complete loss of bladder control for 3 days afterward, and hair falling out in clumps. I guess these will mostly be worked out by v.8 of the hardware, with very few cases happening by v1.0. :)

    -Charlie

  91. Sounds like Vulcan Mind Melding! by MiG29 · · Score: 1

    And now it's no longer a fiction.....

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    The long lost song is your own heartbeat.
  92. Personal Area Networks by g4dget · · Score: 2

    Look for "personal area networks" on Google. Zimmerman and Gershenfeld worked on this.

  93. Needs an effects box attached... by clickety6 · · Score: 2

    .. so that it works like a hand buzzer when you shake hands, just so you know you're trasnmitting/receiving! :-)

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  94. Possibilities for intercourse-free Fertilazation. by daitengu · · Score: 1
    It's going to be just like in "Demolition Man" Virtual Sex without the exchange of bodily fluids.

    The DNA would be decoded, and transmitted by touch, then re-encoded.. some form of star-trek-replication-technology would then create the sperm-cells, and the female would be pregnant.

    QUICK! SOMEONE SHUT IT DOWN!!!

  95. Obligatory Sir Arthur C. Clarke ref by Quila · · Score: 3, Interesting

    3001 -- exchanging personal information by touch of the palm.

    Has he thought of everything?

  96. Nah, just Hands-Across-America.net by billstewart · · Score: 1
    ok, so it was an 80s thing, you had to be there to appreciate it, and maybe that didn't work either :-)

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  97. Silver-coated Indian desserts by billstewart · · Score: 1

    It's not uncommon for some kinds of dessert from India to be topped with very thin silver foil. (Hmmm... how to describe burfee to people who've never seen it - many of the flavors are sort of like marzipan or vanilla fudge.) Haven't turned blue from the stuff yet.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  98. Where does it connect to the body?? by morie · · Score: 2
    I know the nipple would be the most intuitive interface, but not all people like those clamps!

    and what's new anyway: The technology could allow data communications through [...], switches, [...]

    Like datacommunication could do without switches now anyway...

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  99. installing debian with dim mak by linucs · · Score: 1

    such is the power of debianzhang

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    -- free software from the top of xiaodong mountain
  100. Biological bandwidth. by Perdo · · Score: 3, Informative

    In a healthy male:

    30-60 million sperm per cc of semen.

    2-5 cc's of semen.

    Up to 228 gigabytes of data in about 5 seconds.

    or about 365 gigabits per second.

    Men like computers because they are impotent compared to us.

    The monthly estrus cycle equates to about 2.5 kb/s

    Even a phone modem is faster than a woman.

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    If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

    1. Re:Biological bandwidth. by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=50 7783&node_id=973934
      Same idea, but the numbers are higher.

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      "Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
    2. Re:Biological bandwidth. by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Up to 228 gigabytes of data in about 5 seconds.

      or about 365 gigabits per second.

      how is 228G per 5 seconds make 365G per sec?

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    3. Re:Biological bandwidth. by Dirtside · · Score: 2

      He said 228 gigaBYTES in 5 seconds. 228 gigaBYTES = 1824 gigaBITS. 1824 / 5 = 364.8 gigaBITS/sec (~365).

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      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    4. Re:Biological bandwidth. by Perdo · · Score: 2

      1 byte = 8 bits.

      (228 * 8) / 5 = 365.

      When we work internal to a machine, we usually use "bytes".

      When we work external, we usually use bits.

      firewire is 400 megabits per second or 50 MB/s, slower than SCSI's 160 MB/s, the technology it replaced.

      All bets are off when reading benchmarketing.

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      If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

  101. IBM demoed this a while back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'm pretty sure that IBM ran a demo of this technology several years ago and called it a PAN "Personal Area Network". Used some prototyped PDAs with tilt navigation, etc.

  102. Reach out! by siliconshock.com · · Score: 1

    Reach out and Hack someone.

  103. First there was date rape... by floydigus · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and soon there will be data rape

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    All things in moderation; including moderation

  104. finally... by i+chose+quality · · Score: 1

    ... you can keep track of who participated the last gangbang! :)

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    the computer is online
    i am not at it
    what a waste of ressources
  105. This is the Solution! by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    No more waking up in the morning without knowing her name!

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    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  106. Found New Hardware by i+chose+quality · · Score: 3, Funny


    Suzy [Build 07/19/75]
    Status: horny

    Installing...

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    the computer is online
    i am not at it
    what a waste of ressources
  107. IBM has this before '97 by DreddUK · · Score: 2, Informative
    IBM Research was trying this out before '97. Check out the link to their research site on PAN (Personal Area Networks).

    http://www.research.ibm.com/topics/popups/smart/mo bile/html/pan.html

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    1. Re:IBM has this before '97 by DaChesserCat · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing something on TV about this; they demo'ed it at Comdex.

      The version they came up with (I checked the link) worked at about 2400 bps. I'd say 10 Mb/s is a substantial improvement.

      Years ago, I planned my ultimate personal computer. It would be powered by my shoes, have a PAN to connect a small computing module (in contact with my skin, but discretely located) to a hand-held, tablet-style display (X protocol? something better?), and also use my cellphone to provide wireless WAN/LAM capabilities. I was thinking seriously about Bluetooth for the PAN part of the equation, but it doesn't have enough bandwidth. This might get close.

      With that type of system, and some kind of integrated VoIP through the WAN/LAN link, there would never be any reason for me to actually be at my desk. In fact, it could be in my employer's best interest for me to be "on my feet."

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      ... by the Dew of Mountains the thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning
  108. Isn't that just so ironical? by tamnir · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but I'm ROTFLASTC...

    A device that lets you exchange business cards through a simple handshake...
    invented in Japan, where indeed business cards exchange is a national sport...
    but where direct physical contact is always avoided (Japanese people bow at each other, remember?).

    Life is wonderful.

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  109. Locks only keep people honest by maddugan · · Score: 1

    Locks only keep the casual criminal honest. If someone wanted into your house, they could get in with out a key (bust the door down, break a window, pick the lock). This tech would just up the IQ requirement if they try picking the lock.

  110. exchange cards with a bow by z_gringo · · Score: 1


    Now if they can just find a way to exchange email addresses with a bow, then we will have something really useful in Japan.

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  111. Re:RIAA requires everybody to wear full body condo by Beliskner · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I wonder if it means that the MPAA/RIAA would be buying senators to add DRM (digital restrictions mechanisms) to our bodies now
    Oh for God's sake the IT industry dwarfs the media industry. Hollywood buys Senators, and then in their movies they call Senators assholes and then Arnold Schwarzennegger kills them.

    Senators like the IT industry more than the media industry, and the IT industry can buy double the number of Senators that the movie industry has, but IT people in general (apart from usless MBA types) are shy and think they can just email the Democrats back into power.

    Never before in history has such an important part of the economy been run by geeks that are too afraid to lobby the Senate and too afraid to protest and have virtually no union (I think). The DMCA was supposed to help the IT industry, but the geeks were so shy to say anything that the legislature had to guess at what the IT industry wanted. As a result we have the DMCA we have today

    Bill Gates or Linus can pick up his phone right now and call Bush, then Bush will say, "Hello Mr Gates/Torvalds nice to hear from you, I will see you at your convenience, sir. Is there anything you would like from the US Government? We are your humble servants.". But the geeks that run the IT industry can't even understand the power they have. Funny.

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  112. What about duplex? by athlon02 · · Score: 1

    If I use both hands do I get 20Mbit? What about 40 if I use my feet?

    And if I wear very insulated clothing that also reduces the effects of magnetic fields around me, does that give a cleaner signal and less packet loss? :)

  113. No No No.. read the article... by N+Monkey · · Score: 2

    In related news, the MPAA lobbies for legislation to illegalize Viagra...
    No! You don't need an antenna for the technology to work ;-)

  114. Outlook? by dvoosten · · Score: 1

    If your PDA hash this feature, Outlook would be one more reason to practice safe sex.

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  115. Perhaps by germinatoras · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a healthy dose of fiber would help, too. (well, even if it doesn't increase your bandwidth, at least fiber will make your, urm, input/output go a lot faster ;-)

  116. Does anyone else see this... by ed1park · · Score: 1

    as another vector for spam?

    Walking through a business convention and collecting like hell...

    They should have a supa secret handshake that will only divulge the email address as a security protocol. :P

  117. The next step by abe+ferlman · · Score: 3, Funny

    The next step is obviously the world's first sexually transmitted computer virus.

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  118. spy abilities by Fooknut · · Score: 1

    Imagine trying to catch a spy network that uses this instead of deaddrops or other means. heck. anyone you touch, shakehands with, or even PASS could be someone throwing data around...

    Maybe THIS is the "Force" that Lucas invented... a network Aura giving power, "feeling" things around you... heh

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  119. Been done before by spakka · · Score: 1

    They tried this in the seventies but it went disastrously wrong

  120. Email address spam in a can by triaxcaribdis · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine tinned food etc containing email information so everything you pick up added the companies email address to your address book?

  121. Reboot? by el_gregorio · · Score: 1

    So how do we reboot? Is taking a nap sufficient? Or do we have to "find God" and be "born again"?

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  122. Combine this with a National ID system by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 2

    In the movie Minority Report, your eye is scanned for your identity everywhere you go. In the movie Gattaca, your dna is sampled frequently.

    Really, all you would have to do is have a surgical implant like a pacemaker and then touch the metal plate of a scanning device everywhere you go. No eye scanning. No fuzzy facial or fingerprint scans. No puncturing the skin. Just touch a metal plate as you walk past. You are positively identified everywhere you go. Completely unobtrusive.

    An innovation like this would be welcomed by all right-thinking people because it would save us from the hasstle of always hearing "Your papers please!". No more forgetting your papers, or having to drop your baggage to find them. Let Microsoft integrate it with Passport, and it would be good for the economy. The birth tax would be universal. The EULA could be printed on microfice on the metal casing of the implant. (An infant couldn't understand it anyway.) Finally, the implant could administer shocks to punish wrong thinking.

    (Need I say something for the humor impaired?)

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    Those who would give up liberty in exchange for security and DRM should switch to Microsoft Palladium!
  123. IBM did this a while back - "PAN" by kulakovich · · Score: 1

    Personal Area Network. Worked off a pager sized whoditty. Kulakovich

  124. Cheap Network... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    I thought people were only good for batteries, as in the Matrix. Now China can have the largest network ever if everyone there would only hold hands... oh dear God... All of them would be very hard.. at least the guys .. from all the Natural Viagra spam flowing through them!!

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  125. Comparable by NitsujTPU · · Score: 2

    The companies have confirmed in an experiment that data can be transmitted at 10 megabits per second, comparable to the speed of a broadband Internet connection, it said.

    And in what area are you getting 10 megabits to begin with? I want to move there. That's roughly 5x the cap where I live.

  126. Use for spam by the_tallman · · Score: 1

    Makes walking through a subway terminal and implanting your info on others attractive a viable idea for spammers, eh?

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    1. Re:Use for spam by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2
      Implanting your info...maybe...but think of the reverse! Every person you bump into could be transmitting their e-mail and all you have to do is harvest them to e-mail spam them later when you get home!

      "Excuse me...sorry...coming through..."(hehehe, 25 new addresses to send out to...).

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  127. Disturbing by DragonSilk · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who finds this type of technology disturbing? I would much prefer giving my information to someone rather than have some stupid machine just hand it out willy-nilly to everyone else with the same device. Maybe I am just paranoid, but, as someone once said, just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get me!

  128. Lots of reasons... by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 2

    1) Exchange a public encryption key (no CA required)
    2) Resume in the palm of your hand.
    3) Face - to - face file swapping.

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  129. health hazards? by phorm · · Score: 2

    I wonder if there are any health hazards (radiation/cancer?) would be a consideration. A lot of people are already freaked out that having cellphones clipped to their frontal belt area may leave them unable to produce children later in life...

    While this is suppose to use the body's "natural" conductivity, I imagine that it might mess with the body's natural electromagnetics or other semi-electrical processes. Aren't nerve impulses electrical in nature? It would certainly suck if your leg started twitching every time your PDA alarm went off (although it would be a neat trojan to plant on somebody).

    My PDA made me do it! - phorm

  130. Your Sig by falzer · · Score: 1

    I am also curious about Loom. I played a game called Loom once.

  131. Re:10mbps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    10mbps? millibits per second? Thats 1 bit in 100 seconds. Sounds easy enough to me.

  132. Public key, my man by Otto · · Score: 2

    Same as with signatures and so forth. I give out a timestamp or something encrypted with my private key. My public key can decrypt it. Therefore I'm me and you can open the door.

    I never transmitted my key, I transmitted something that keeps changing (like the time) that was just encrypted with my key, and the decrypted version made sense. What the decrypted text actually turned out to be really wasn't the point.

    Could be better ways.. Have the doorknob send me plain text which I then munge a bit and encrypt with my private key to send back. A challenge response mechanism using public key encryption, basically. Lots of other ways. Only thing that will really hurt me is theft of the implant.

    We have to assume the implant is secure, though. If it has flaws then they could be exploitable, although it'd have to be damn fast to exploit if it's only got 1-2 seconds in which to do it.

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  133. Comparable to Broadband? by vannevar · · Score: 1

    According to the article, "The companies have confirmed in an experiment that data can be transmitted at 10 megabits per second, comparable to the speed of a broadband Internet connection."

    Broadband is 10Mbps? On what planet? Maybe Vint Cerf's Mars-Net. Here on Earth, everything from 128K to yottabits per second are referred to as broadband. No wonder the public is so confused about what broadband is and is not.

  134. Networking by 16977 · · Score: 1

    This gives a whole new meaning to the term "handshaking protocols" :)

  135. Oh come on. That's mean. by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 2

    Slashdotting one overseas link might be OK, but come on, slashdotting the link to .au AND to .jp?? And of a major telecom provider?? *Server lights on fire* "Hey, where'd my call go??!!"

  136. Can someone say.. carcinogen? by MrJerryNormandinSir · · Score: 1

    Hmm.. electromagnetism... High Frequency radiation, addictive device, radiation... CANCER!

  137. Ummm... IBM came out with this back in '96 by chinard · · Score: 1

    I remember hearing of this stuff a few years back, i checked the ibm site and found that the original project is still on the IBM website. Here's the link. http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/pan/pan.html

  138. Origin of "Wog" by gloohufr · · Score: 1

    I always heard it was an acronym for "Westernized Oriental Gentleman." In a sarcastic way (the implication being that no "oriental gentleman" could be truly westernized, and therefore attempts to be so were pathetic and worthy of derision. Really nice.

  139. Agh! by LazyBoy · · Score: 1

    Why do those guys keep coming around and writing on me with chalk?

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  140. Re: read the article by serutan · · Score: 2

    I did read the article. Maybe you should try actually reading my post. The sentence I quoted about handbags and pockets came directly from it. I also read the fish translation of Nihon Keizai Shimbun, which is patchy at best, then went to the nttdocomo website, found nothing, and finally tried google to get some sort of confirmation. The difficulty of finding material on this thing makes me more suspicious that it is vapor. I could be wrong, but forgive me for having an opinion.

  141. Think about the timeout.... by Whatever+Fits · · Score: 1

    Imagine that crowded Japanese subway with everyone "data enabled" onboard and all those packet collisions. Probably some kind of neural net would have to be developed.

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  142. SPAM?!?! by NilObject · · Score: 1

    The implications of this are scary. I'm sure marketers are all over this right now.

  143. Re:RIAA requires everybody to wear full body condo by PsychoKick · · Score: 1

    (random thoughts)

    Geeks are still subconsiously operating under the assumption that "speaking up == getting beaten up by schoolyard bullies".

  144. Dang by Bob+Villas+Hammer · · Score: 1

    This further reduces the chance that tech-geeks will have sex. "We never did it see, you were just fixing my server."

  145. Linkster: A love story by DancesWithBulls · · Score: 1

    It was raining as usual in Seattle as Jeremy hurried to get to his eMELF (Electronic Media Liberation Front) meeting which was starting in 25 minutes. He was late. He plugged his iBelt to his machine and made last minute adjustments to his search list for the night. He moved Ed Norton's "Sacrifice" to the tops of his list and added "Newman Season 1" to it. He strapped on his iBelt and pulled a blue Banana Republic turtle neck sweater over it and rushed off. It was getting dark as he pulled into the Busy Bee Cafe. Busy Bee was a mom and pop place which was the latest haunt for the club. He saw Jenny entering the cafe as she parked, "Boy is she hot" he thought. She wearing a short leather shirt and guess what a bluish turtle neck cashmere sweater. Jeremy found himself wondering if Jenny had a tattoo underneath that skirt somewhere as he headed straight for the back-room where they always met.

    As Jeremy entered the room he saw that Jenny was sitting next to the only available seat, he said hello as he sat and she smiled backed. The room was full of the usual suspects plus two new people. A tall smart looking guy with shaggy-like blonde hair and a cute looking brunette. Evidently they were both Ishaq's friends as they were both talking to him. "Hmmnnn, two new people in one week" thought Jeremy, "Ishaq might be making the group too big too fast. I should say something about that."

    A few seconds later Ishaq stood up and introduced the two new members as Michael and Jessica. They both said a few things about themselves before we started linking and search session. As Jeremy was about start configuring the iBelt, he saw Jenny lifting her sweater to configure hers, revealing a low cut skirt below her belt. Jeremy almost froze, as he saw what looked to be a tattoo of playboy bunny with just the ear visible just above skirt belt line. "Are you done?" asked Jenny, who had finished configuring her iBelt and caught Jeremy staring at her in deep thought. "Ummnn yes.....errr no ...no...one sec." As he fidgeted with his iBelt he thought "What a freaking idiot."

    As his Linkster finished launching everyone was already linked, and were looking at Jeremy as if saying "Hurry up moron". A few of them were. As Linkster came up Jemery grabbed Jason's hand, while Jenny was holding hers up for him. He gently held her hand and felt this tingle as his Linkster got a reply back from hers and others. She smiled at Jeremy as Ishaq started speaking about the agenda items for the meeting. It was mostly redundant dribble which everyone had read at the club site, but this week's security and classified information was interesting as he said that he had confirmed from a source he knew from the Starbucks IT, that Starbucks and EMPA (Electronic Media Protection Agency, a powerful and cash rich "Non-profit" organization started by the major Hollywood studios, Microsoft and the Record Industry) developers were working on some ultra secret enhancement to Linkster Search Agent software which was said to have broken the Linkster encription code. The LSA was known to be a powerful agent which found hardwired Linkster databases and corrupted them by randomly shifting bits. It was known to be a threat on the internet but wirelessly breaking into Linkerster and iBelt detected in the Wireless cloud was a new and dangerous threat.

    As Jeremy was thinking about the implication he felt his iBelt warning buzzer. "What the hell is this?" Then he remembered that he had installed this new LSA detection bundle for Linkster which detected LSA virus intrusions. But how can that happen, even if the stories about the Wireless LSA with capabilities to break into Linkster were true, it cannot happen here in the free-zone. They had especially chosen Busy Bee because it was in one of few remaining area of greater Seattle outside of the wireless network cloud. As he his mind rushed his gaze fell on Michael the new guy, who was looking back at him. Within a blink of an eye he had not only detected an LSA attack but he had also found how attack came. "Break link, we have a hard-line somewhere, break link" he shouted as he let Jenny and Jason's hand go. "We have an LSA attack, break your freakin links." Everyone broke links, Michael was slow to, but he broke the links as well. Ishaq quickly checked his iBelt and quickly confirmed that in-fact his whole 720 TB database was corrupted. "Who?" he screamed at Jeremy, and when he saw his eyes focused on Michael, he did not even turn as he lunged straight for Michael's throat. He missed as Michael jumped up from the chair and headed for the door, but never made it as Chad brought him down with a lunge at his mid-rift. Ishaq got up and ripped off Michael's iBelt and found it was wireless enabled, which was being used in conjunction with a power base in his car outside.

    Jeremy knew that their eMELF chapter was compromised their iBelts were corrupted with LSA and would have to be reinstalled. It was quite possible EMPA could identify some of them who were not careful about the data they kept on the iBelts. Ishaq asked everyone to break group quickly in case the EMPA showed up. Everyone scrambled to leave quickly, while Jeremy was standing with Ishaq and Chad who had Michael pinned down and were kicking him every now and then, Jenny came up to him and said "That was very cool." as she held her hand up for a shake. Jeremy smiled and said "Oh it was nothing." As he shook her hand he realized she had just given him her phone number.

  146. Your sig by Wayfare · · Score: 1

    *advertisement* *advertisement* And I've got a TIP for you, get the POINT?

  147. Interesting Comparrison... by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 1

    The number of posts which correlate penis size to bandwidth doesn't surprise me: geeks have been "measuring up" to each other that way for years...

  148. Make-a the ganglia twitch by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Just what I need to get launched into the 8th dimension when I accidentally walk by some radio source....

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  149. body fat vs. muscle by wessman · · Score: 1

    I wonder if body fat vs. muscle percentage makes that 10mb vary?

  150. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

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