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OS X Conference DRM Panel Video Available Online
gnat writes "Tucked away on the O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference presentations page are links to Quicktime video and mp3 audio recordings of the Digital Rights Management panel featuring Dan Gillmor of the San Jose Mercury News, Cory Doctorow of the EFF, and others. (My apologies for the sometimes shaky video--three Cokes for breakfast is the anti-steadicam)"
MP3s are free to download about DRM something is amiss :P hehe
I guess I'll browse yesterday's edition instead, and see if anything there is now accessible. Maybe those "sodium in private lake" movies aren't slashdotted anymore.
Ugh, can I please get Real Video format in a *real* video player (no pun there, I won't play Real Video only because of how foul the Real player is.)
Are we surprised it's in Quicktime?
:D
I'm actually wondering if it's an mpeg4 video, or a sorenson3 video, myself
I suppose my thought on the Mac as a true 'digital rights management' platform is that so long as the Mac targets creative endeavors such as video, music, print, and graphics... digital restrictions management have to take low priority. Being able to encode, manipulate, share, distribute, decode, edit, etc, is very crucial to the whole concept of... content creation.
Still, it would be nice if Apple could make a public comment to that effect. In case you're wondering, now, I haven't been able to download the video yet! In the process, as we speak.
GPL Deconstructed
Ugh, can we please have it in a *moving picture experts group* format? (No pun intended...)
You know I'm thinking that linking to a 49MB file from the front page of one of the biggest online community sites on the web may not have been the brightest of ideas.
Someone's going to get one f*cker of a bandwidth bill this month...
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
I feel a great disturbance in the force... as if many network administrators suddenly cried out in great pain, and were silenced.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Like the first speaker says....the entertainment industry has used their current business model for many years....and it has been VERY good to them. They won't give it up easily. But the big players will push this on people and hope it works.
I sure hope Apple can resist the pressure to get on the DRM bandwagon.
That's my ISP you jerks are slashdotting. I'll be lucky if I can even post this. Of course, locality has it's privlages. The movie is downloading ac 160kb/s
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
So far, most operating systems other than Microsoft Windows are giving DRM a cold shoulder. Windows is the exception, not the rule.
In fact, it's hard to see how DRM could work if there were a lively, competitive market in operating systems, media software, and hardware. In some way, DRM can only work if Microsoft keeps 95%+ of the market, which is kind of scary, because it means that Hollywood is going to do what they can to support Microsoft's monopoly.
It's sorta OT, but here's a great link for DYI steadycams/dollies/whatnot. I'm pretty sure the /. crowd will appreciate what these people are up to.
http://homebuiltstabilizers.com/
-Brett
My iPod (which works great under linux *g*) does indeed have Digital Restrictions Management software on it. How does it work? Simple.
It doesn't just play MP3s you copy to it. Instead, to get a song to play back, it has to be renamed to some 4-digit number, and the ID3 tag info is read from the file and stored in a binary database on the iPod, the "iTunesDB." Any song not registered in the iTunesDB won't play back. Sure, you can copy the MP3 named "2493.mp3" off the iPod any time you want, it's just annoying when you want to do it a lot and you don't have all the information laid out nicely. Also, you get used to the Artist/Album/Track/Genre info being accurate. It's much smoother to rip a CD you own than to put random tracks from the 'net on there.
This is the iPod's DRM system. It works by highlighting the advantages of ripping your own music and encouraging Fair Use Doctrine, instead of forcefull taking away your rights. It encourages buying of CDs because ripping them gets all the info right, and copying the songs back off the unit just gets annoying to rename and look up the info per song.
Oh, the final component of the iPod DRM system: a small etching in the steel on the back of it which reads Don't Steal Music. Now, I surely don't believe Copyright Infringement is anywhere close to the crime that actual theft is, but that one little phrase permanantly engraved there sure does have a subconscious effect when you're loading it up with tons of music you didn't pay for.
Thank you Apple, for DRM the right way, in a system which encourages Fair Use, encourages buying more music, and extends our rights, instead of negatively enforcing the agendas of the RIAA.
Nyanyanyaaaa ;-)
(Yep, that's 1.4 mega byte per second)
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exactly what do YOU consider a real video format?
Tears of joy are streaming down my face. That's one of the most sensible and well written posts I've read this year.
..Because there are people out there who agree that producers of content have certain rights over it.
;) "Sheridan *died* trying to watch five seasons in a row. No one who does that comes out alive!")
That, and the fact that they may wish to be able to view five seasons of Babylon 5 (Or insert yer favorite show here), on DVD, in X.
(Hmm, hope I don't die when I eventually go for a five season marathon.
Err, right. Sorry, I'm just all excited over the fact that they're finally putting B5 on DVD. 'bout bloody time. (Where's my Slashdot story about that? Huh?!) Erm, right, back to DRM.
There are programmers out there who would make Linux work with DRM, simply because they a) wish to continue viewing content, and b) wish to continue viewing content legally.
Think it won't be illegal to view DRM content on non-DRM hardware/software? Hmm, does DeCSS ring a bell?
As for me, I'm all against the idea of DRM, but if it comes, I'm not going to be dressing up (down?) in woad and screaming, "They'll never take mah freedoooooooooooom!"
I'm all for supporting independent artists, but you know, without the resources of MPAA-related companies, films like Fellowship of the Rings would never be made. (Of course, some of you may consider that a *good* thing..) There's a lot of good indie films out there, but there's far more 'Evil Empire' funded ones.
Indie music is a bit different - it's a lot easier to find good bands whose labels aren't in step with the RIAA. Still, if I found an RIAA-supported band I liked, I'd buy their discs.
Face it - if you're an indie nut and so anti-*AA, the few discs of any sort you stop buying won't even make a dent in their cash flow. Indeed, they'll just write it off as piracy and attempt more draconian legislation.
In any event, their business models will eventually fail, and we'll get what we all want anyway. It'll just take time. All change takes time, save for that which is brought by the barrel of the gun and the point of the sword.
And frankly, I don't think an extra bit of annoyance in terms of music and movies is worth spilling blood over.
QT streaming from OS X only takes a few minutes to set up, BTW.
/. effect? :)
Find out for yourself why these files are surviving the legendary
Duh. That's all you deserve
The video is encoded with the H.263 codec, and the audio is encoded with the QDesign Music 2 codec.
"Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity" -Alvy Ray Smith
Wow... technology impaired slashdot-reader, that would be the day.
Just alt-click the quicktime-link and you'll be fine. If that doesn't work, right click the quicktime-link and choose the equivalent of "Save file to disk...".
"I tend to think of OS X as Linux with QA and Taste", James Gosling, creator of Java
Actually, the one I own doesn't have that... it's one of the original 5GB models but I had heard the newer ones did... whoops.. sorry about that.
The movie is downloading ac 160kb/s
Hear that boys? SOUNDS LIKE A CHALLENGE!
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
"Technologies that can modified by end users, that is to say Open source are explicitly not allowed in contexts where digital streams are allowed to come into contact with them because you could change them to geek around the restrictions that are being put in by Hollywood. So this is also a proposal to ban open source.
The technology companies, by and large going along with it. And this is why we are here today. We want to find out how it is we can shift the technology companies from a sort of duck and cover perspective to going on the offensive. Because when technologists, who are part of a 600 billion dollar American industry, go on the offensive against Hollywood, a 35 billion dollar American industry, THEY WIN.
"Two really important things you can do, one is you can tell five friends. Cause most people don't know this is going on. Most people don't know that there are three separate onslaughts on the ability of technologists to build any device that they want to. right now, internationally, in congress and in the FCC. Right now, going on, that if they succeed will be the death of their industry. And tell five friends in the technology industry just let them know so they can tell five friends. So we need a burgeoning consciousness of this. We need a million Slashdot readers to actually care about it and not just natalie portman or hot grits. And the last thing you can do is... um.. you can.. Boy! I just blew my buffer. What is the last thing you can do?"
~ Cory Doctorow, Electronic Frontier Foundation
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
In windows I've heard Tara's realplayer plugin for winamp should handle video as well as audio. You have to have realplayer installed, but the startcenter can always be diabled, and then the realplayer program directory deleted. And in Linux apparently mplayer will do pretty much the same thing as of a few releases ago, though I've never tried doing so myself.
Everything will be taken away from you.
If one lousy key is enough to keep you from buying a Macintosh, then I'm glad you feel it's that important. And Apple isn't "ignoring the Unix market;" it's ignoring YOU...
As well it should...
I find this very hard to believe. A proprietary company like Apple is the only OS out their that does not have any active drm software in it. For some reason everyone thinks drm is good for the industry including the opensource crowd. Unbelievable!
http://saveie6.com/
If the big software houses that support drm see these projects, my guess is the will demand that both the sdrm and openimpm libraries be installed to prevent fair use on linux. We need to boycott these morons who are writing these software packages since they are doing nothing more then hurting OSS then helping it. If Linux software needs drm then apple will fall next and then will sun, etc. Very bad.
http://saveie6.com/
Most likely, what will happen is that Windows will continue to be able to play non-DRM content, but it will refuse to create non-DRM content unless you buy very expensive "professional" versions of the software and hardware you use, software and hardware that puts your signature on everything you create. Windows may also simply start putting non-DRM content under DRM without even telling you.
Mplayer can play quicktime just fine :)
I've been in meetings where Apple was involved trying to define new standards. I guess Apple is large enough that one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
Blockquoth the poster:
*begin Inigo Montoya impression*
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
*end Inigo Montoya impression*
ADB is a device bus, not a keyboard layout. Apple hasn't used ADB since it first introduced USB on the iMac in 1998.
Huh?
I just plugged in my iPod (Mac version), and looked in the hidden folder iPod_Control/Music/, and located in various folders are my regular MP3 files, happily sitting there with their original names. Each of the folders has a generic name like "F01", but that's probably because of the way the iPod accesses the files.
It's pretty trivial to get the songs off of the iPod once you open the hidden folder. Now maybe the songs have to be registered in the iPod database (or maybe that's just used to track the playcount for each track), but the files themselves don't get renamed to a generic four digit number. Maybe it's different when you get it running under Linux, but on the Mac, no problems there.
And I applaud Apple's stance in not assuming that its customers are all would-be crooks. The way iTunes and the iPod work together discourages casual music copying (by preventing music from the iPod from being automatically copied back to iTunes), but it doesn't affect what I can do with music I've bought. And that's what DRM should be.
I'm very happy. I found this a long time ago, but the plugin got removed from Winamp's site (I assume because of protest by Real).
The day Macs use DRM is the day the company loses 90% of its customers. Why? The majority of Macs are used by creative professionals (if anyone has real statistics i would love to see them). The majority of Mac users see their computers as a tool they use to create their dream or artwork, as a way to express themselves. (come on flame me for sounding like a gay mac user) The day a Mac user tries to open a piece of stock art or a quicktime movie or aiff or mp3 and the computer says "I'm sorry you have already used this piece of swip X times, using it again or putting it on another device will violate its copyright! To obtain further rights to use this piece, contact blah blah blah" is the day most mac users will switch platforms (to what viable alternative i dont know, but im sorry linux is NOT an option for creative professionals, and I would rather switch careers then go back to using pcs and dealing with the draconian microsoft). I'm sure Apple knows this and for that reason will never include any DRM besides the basic and easily hacked DRM similiar to the ipod. Just wait for Apple to release a small tivo type device that is portable with firewire capabilities for transfering and SYNCING to a mac, just like the ipod.
and yes i am pulling this out of my ass, but hey its the internet so who cares?
I can't believe some of the crap I've read in this story. "Apple does DRM right." "Of course you can't copy MP3s off the iPod." "It encourages fair use."
Tell me, oh Jobsians, what exactly is is non-fair-use about me stuffing an iPod with MP3s, taking it to work and copying them off to my work PC? Fair use means to me playing in my car, my house, my work, or any other place that has a machine I can play music I bought.
Forcing a "no copy off the iPod" is such an annoying bunch of BS that has nothing to do with encouraging fair use, although its kind of funny/pathetic to watch all the kneejerk Mac apologists *rush* to defend something so idiotic.
Not to be coy, but... have you actually used one? I only mention this because of the tells in your post; it contained the words 'Jobs cult' and 'proprietary'; it smacks of homebrew FUD.
I'm not slamming you, really, but look, the iPod's 'DRM' consists of an invisible folder and a database file. If you really wanted to get something 'down' from the iPod, it's trivial. *Trivial*. Hell, you can download a program and put it on the iPod itself; then it can 'download' to any Mac.
Apple has not built this ability in for you. That is not the same as 'crippled'.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
To be fair, the original poster is right about Apple laptops having ADB keyboards. The built in keyboard uses a ADB bus which is not in any other way available, not USB. Just scan the USB bus and you'll notice that there is no device listing for the built-in keyboard.
Why this would be a problem I can't phantom.
As for me, I'm all against the idea of DRM, but if it comes, I'm not going to be dressing up (down?) in woad and screaming, "They'll never take mah freedoooooooooooom!"
I will, and I'm generally a fairly rational person.
If MS impliments DRM and forces apple to impliment it in order for people to view movies, Apple might be hiring some slick accountants to "prove" both companies are forming an unfair monopoly greater than either monopoly is allowed.
Not to mention I'm quite positive there would be some "Shady" monitary dealings between them if MS did this and no one else did.
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Minor clarification. After the introduction of the imac, Apple released the B&W G3 towers, which although they switched to USB, still contain one ADB port on the back
Blockquoth the poster:
Well, okay, technically the keyboard still uses ADB "under the hood," but that doesn't matter to anyone except a kernel hacker. Thus the paradox: if the original poster is such a l33t Unix hacker, then he should be able to directly hack the drivers to make the keys do whatever he wants. If not, then it's irrelevant what bus the keyboard is on.
Furthermore, the Ctrl key on an Apple keyboard is in exactly the same place as on any other standard PC keyboard, desktop or laptop. If there is a special Unix laptop with a special Unix keyboard like he describes, I'd love to see it...
That said, I'm a Unix professional (kernel; device drivers, right now); have been for many years. My _entire_ professional life has been spent working on keyboards that have control on the lower left, and caps lock next to A. It is _entirely_ possible to use Unix with control in lower-right. I have small hands; I can still use control and not have any trouble reaching other keys. I'm currently typing this on an IBM keyboard that ships with RS/6000 workstations; control is in lower-left. My officemate's IBM PC-influenced keyboard (Windows key, etc) has control in lower-left; his Dell laptop has control in lower-left. One of my co-worker's IBM laptop? Control's in lower-left.
Control in lower-right is an ISO standard; Apple didn't come up with it because of any desire to spite Unix users.
Apple has been a Unix vendor for at least 14 years. Anyone remember A/UX? I do... loooong experience with it, including years as GNU ports maintainer when Apple was still persona non grata with the FSF. Anyone remember the workgroup servers running AIX? I wrote the serial driver. Any claim that Apple has been ignoring Unix users needs to take into account that Apple's been a Unix vendor for a very long time _and_ that they've now moved their entire platform to a Unix(/Mach)-based system.
I do sympathize with muscle memory -- my current laptop has a key to the left of control (fn, for those who're curious). It was a bit of pain getting my finger to shift over one position -- about a week's worth. After that, all's well. You may have harder to retrain muscle memory.
The most interesting part of the parent post is the reference to uControl. uControl remaps control to caps-lock _exactly_ the way the poster wants. It's free software (GPL). _If_ ADB were "broken-by-design" as claimed, uControl wouldn't be able to do this. If anyone wanted control -> caps lock remapping on the *BSD's, it shouldn't be hard to look at a piece of GPL'd software and figure out to, e.g., modify the X server to do the same thing.
It seems to me that the poster himself has presented two solutions, one for Debian and one for Apple's own Unix product, that would let him use Unix on an Apple laptop with control where he wants it (assuming they work, and comments indicate they do). Why should it matter if these products need to resort to kludges, horrible or otherwise -- do you _need_ to know how your keyboard-mapping software works to be able to type? Should you _care_ how it works, as long as the keys do what you want?
_Exactly_ what more do you expect Apple to do -- provide remapping software for *BSD? I understand that it might be nice for the builtin keyboard to be USB, but given that working solutions exist for two flavors of Unix, I don't really understand the urgency of a major hardware design change to fix a problem that it's already agreed has a ready fix available in software.
Except he's actually right. Although Macs as of 4 years ago don't have external ADB ports, the portables retain keyboards that are connected via an ADB pipe--just without connectors that will suit any other ADB device. Look closely (very closely) at some tech specs on even the latest Apple portables, and you will find that ADB keyboards are still used. Strange, I know. Write me back if you need proof--but you can trust me on this.
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$tar -xvf
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ADB inputs at just over 1 Mbps. USB (1.1) is at 12 Mbps.
For a keyboard...I hardly think the difference matters
See my reply to the other person who responded like this.
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An AC wrote:
;)
> As for me, I'm all against the idea of DRM, but if
> it comes, I'm not going to be dressing up (down?)
> in woad and screaming, "They'll never take mah
> freedoooooooooooom!"
Scream now, avoid the rush!
In the 1960's, a giant Moth screamed loud and long: the great media sharks of the 60's came tumbling down, replaced by studios run by the artists.
At the Grammys, Steve Jobs screamed (politely), but the idiot sharks didn't listen very well. So he snatched their favorite media creation tools and ran off laughing. He wants to make it so anyone can master a recording, make a movie, or have their own TV station.
Recently, some very insightful congresscritters stood up and screamed against the likes of Holling's bill. "People have rights!", they cried, and introduced bills of their own.
HP screamed bloody murder at Microsoft. Their DRM in the Media PCs would keep HP from competing with DRM free Sony (miracles never cease when Mothra is about). The mighty Microsoft caved Tuesday, and came up with a clumsy compromise.
See, screaming works! Keep it up!
"Our plan understands the sea; we can wait for her coming."
From the song "Infanto no Musume" in the Japanese version of Mothra (1961).
Mothra in a video game? Actually, two video games. (www.godzillaoncube.com)
The iPod is a FireWire Hard Drive. You can USE IT as a FireWire hard drive.
If you really want to move your MP3s to your work machine, copy the files to it in disk mode. Copy them to your work machine when you get to work.
Obviously since you're so quick to flame and bitch instead of thinking of the friggin' obvious, you dont' have the brains to figure out how to use a hard disk.
Sad, really.
CAn'T CompreHend SARcaSm?
So, at worst, you might have to leave out 2 or 3 .mp3 files if you want to store your library file on the iPod...
Though I am still unclear on exactly why you would want to...
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
1 Mbps. For a keyboard...I hardly think the difference matters
Heay, just because YOU'RE a slow typer doesn't mean everyone else should suffer.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
BitTorrent works great for distributing ISOs and videos to large audiences without huge bandwidth costs...
This annoying "DRM" (oh please) system of renaming the files and registering them is just how Apple is making their i-products these days. Go try out iPhoto, and you'll notice all the pictures you import are given a random number and stored in a bazillion different randomly named directories.
Hmm.. I guess that's DRM for the photos I've taken?
Please people. It's just their stupid way of making you use the interface (iPhoto/iTunes) more than just browsing around your hard drive. I don't really like it, but its hardly DRM.
markclong wrote:
/ .
;)
> Like the first speaker says....the entertainment
> industry has used their current business model for
> many years....and it has been VERY good to them.
> They won't give it up easily. But the big players
> will push this on people and hope it works.
The old models won't work anymore, that's the problem. We are no longer in a golden age of prosperity where greedy companies can continue to milk their customers and discard them.
> I sure hope Apple can resist the pressure to get
> on the DRM bandwagon.
Apple's only hope of long term survival lies in taking out the sharks before they can make DRM mandatory. Apple will do this by democratizing the tools used to create content.
One of the best examples of this that I have seen recently appeared in today's Apple enews. It is a feature length documentary film called "Shanghai Ghetto" that has been playing in some New York and LA theatres. The page at Apple's site describing how it was made is http://www.apple.com/creative/videophoto/shanghai
The interesting thing is that the movie was made by two people, using an Apple Power Mac, on a shoestring budget. Granted, you will not find all their expertise and hard work in the Final Cut Pro box (not to mention their sneaking into China with a digital video camera). But Apple has made it possible for just two people to make a real movie and put it in some theatres. Add the other tools that Apple has since bought and plans to democratize, plus the falling prices of the major 3D tools, and movie making suddenly falls into the range of a reasonably funded small business.
The question then becomes, who wants those sharks with their DRM and bad old business models based on excessive greed?
More importantly, who needs them?
Old business models can and will be replaced, if they are no longer viable. Their time is coming to an end. One fine day the market which can no longer bear them, will give them the thumping on the head they so richly deserve.
Resist the pressure?!? Ha! Apple and its blue eyed forever friend will be there to laugh when the sharks come tumbling down.
"Lightning shines on wavey beach, and all clouds are made right:
Happiness Appears!"
From the song "Infanto no Musume" in the Japanese version of Mothra (1961).
Out of context (the parent was modded down) your comment seems a little odd. One lousy key is a pretty huge item. There are 104 (2?) keys on your average PC keyboard, and there are very few of those that I'd be willing to part with (scroll lock I can do without). If a keyboard didn't have an enter key or a control key, I wouldn't buy it....
Would you?
Errr... so go buy a USB keyboard with the keys you want, plug it in and quit yer bitching?
They do (to coin a phrase) "just work" on a Mac...
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