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Microsoft Tries a "Switch" Campaign

Twirlip of the Mists writes "There's a new page on Microsoft's web site that tells the first-person story of an unnamed 'freelance writer' who made the switch from the Mac to Windows XP. The author of the page -- who never identifies herself, and who could very easily be fictional or a composite sketch -- says 'Windows XP gives me more choices and flexibility.' How, you ask? Why, through Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer, and modern operating-system features like separate accounts for each user and easy access to the Internet, of course. Maybe somebody should email Microsoft and let them know that the Mac has had all of these things for years now ... nah. It'd just embarrass them. Anyway, it's an entertaining read that's good for a laugh." Update: 10/14 21:12 GMT by P : Apparently, Microsoft has taken the page down, but Google has it.

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  1. yeah right by sujan · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't beat'em, copy'em.

    1. Re:yeah right by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Funny
      "If you can't beat'em, copy'em."

      So true...

    2. Re:yeah right by WildBeast · · Score: 5, Funny

      True, that's the reason why Apple switched to FreeBSD code.

    3. Re:yeah right by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      One thing that just occured to me is that this is a signal that Apple's very own switch campaign is working and people are actually switching from Windows to OS X.

      Microsoft is probably feeling the effects of this or predicting that they will feel the effects or this. Otherwise, they wouldn't be launching this counter-attack.

      WELL DONE APPLE!

    4. Re:yeah right by rseuhs · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Isn't it amazing that some people still fall for something like that?

      I mean, the Mac switcher ads are already pretty - well let's say "unlikely to have really happened that way".

      For Bill Gates not unlikely enough, it seems. How high is the chance that a Mac to PC convert writes down her confessions and includes:

      "See Which Edition is Right for You? for more information."

      Complete with link to the right Microsoft page?

      I find some UFO stories more believable.

    5. Re:yeah right by killmenow · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can hear it now...

      Apple: Stop copying us!

      Microsoft: Stop copying us!

      Apple: Bitch!

    6. Re:yeah right by panaceaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems like Microsoft took down the page. (Here's the Google cached copy.)

      Maybe Microsoft just created this page for Slashdot to link to. Instead of their marketing team putting in time and effort to create a real campaign, they put together some generic arguments and to see how well they fly over on Slashdot. Now they'll take the Slashdot arguments and turn them into a real campaign. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but Microsoft isn't stupid, and this thread gives them a lot of valuable information.

    7. Re:yeah right by HowardTheDolphin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The great thing about Apple's ads are that they ARE simple and consumer oriented. They are the type of ads that DO get stuck in your head. Consumers don't care about features being rattled off, geeks like features, and the geeks are the ones that can look into it for themselves. Consumers do not want to devote their time doing reseach. Consumers like the switch ads, they speak in an easy to understand language and are done by real users that have switched from MS's overcomplicated, underperforming and out-of-date OS that they can relate to.

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    8. Re:yeah right by susano_otter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You might want to read the article. It doesn't seem likely that it's a real story in any sense of the word ("real" or "story"). Massive chunks of it were obviously written by professional marketers, and much of the last few paragraphs appear to be the work of MS support personnel.

      Advertisements may be obvious, but they can still have a kind of life to them. Judging from the responses (both positive and negative), the Apple "Switch" campaign seems to be pretty lively.

      Even a cursory reading of the MS article shows that while they've downplayed the obviousness of the advertisement (and not very well, after all), they've also failed to imbue it with any sort of liveliness. It reads like a second-rate brochure for life insurance policies.

      I've been told it's a lot like my posts.

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      Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

    9. Re:yeah right by KillerKane · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm not saying that MS products are better than Apple products--just that the advertising is MUCH more intelligent."

      Oh, right. I forgot that XP will enable me to fly. Madonna told me so.

      Yeesh.

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      There is a thin line between genius and insanity. I have erased that line. -- Oscar Levant
    10. Re:yeah right by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 5, Informative
      I'm not saying that MS products are better than Apple products--just that the advertising is MUCH more intelligent.

      I'll agree the Apple ads are kind of dumb, they have no substance, but look at what MS had up:

      More Software Flexibility

      AppleWorks (previously called ClarisWorks) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP. There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work. I wouldn't know how to function without the Track Changes and Comments features of Word. I adore the Office Clipboard, which copies multiple elements from one file and pastes them into another.

      Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 does more for me than Netscape Navigator ever did, and I am a surfing addict. Searches are faster; the History feature makes it easier to find that site from last week; and I can name and organize my Favorites any way I want.

      They didn't mention that both MS Office and Internet Explorer are available for the Mac, and in fact IE is the only browser that comes preinstalled. Also almost every review of Office v.X said it was better than the Windows version. Same is true of IE for Mac.

      I wont even get into that Mozilla is every bit as fast as IE. ;)

      This "switch ad" was just bogus. I guess that's why they pulled it! I'd wager someone at MS wrote the story and the photo of the woman was is just a stock photo. This is the kind of thing they pulled sending letters to newspapers and congressmen!

      She also wrote:

      " I am a freelance writer; I demand the best in mobile computing."

      Can't get much better than a PowerBook G4 if you ask me! Besides the fact that most best selling writers use Apple laptops.

      MS ads are not more intelligent, they are less fluffy, but also less factual.

      And Sara, we know OS X is better than XP! It does show more copying on MS' part... got to get that X in the name! :P

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    11. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The AP already picked up this story, and tracked down the marketing company hired to create this fake ad. The woman, Valerie G. Mallinson of Shoreline, Wash works for a public relations firm, Wes Rataushk & Associates Inc. Microsoft hired Rataushk to produce fake testimonials when their own research turned up no usable customers. Yahoo peoplefinder lists: Steve and Valerie Mallinson, (206) 367-1953, 2203 N 106th St, Seattle, WA 98133, if you want to call and ask her about the ad in question.

      At 5foot3 and 200 lbs, I'm sure Valerie is not the woman in the stock photo.

    12. Re:yeah right by tobyvoss · · Score: 3, Funny
      written by professional marketers
      I wouldn't neither call that professional writing nor marketing.

      the last few paragraphs
      ... sound like "MSIE/Outlook for Super-Dummies and wizard-wussies".

      Four more interesting little bits from the "Article":
      • A .jpg of the beautiful Apple(TM)-Command(TM)-Key(TM) symbol(TM) is used, no credits given. Sue' em, Apple!
      • Fictional "writer-"person offers Girl Scout's honor, then starts whoring cheaply and shamelessly. Would you want someone like that helping you cross the street? Stop poisoning cultural values, M$oft!
      • Fictional "writer-"person admits having to uninstall and reinstall Outlook on her PC without explaining why. What do we make of that in this advertising context? Is it a "feature" that you have to uninstall/reinstall ever so often?
      • The "Editor's Note" at the end sould read:
        Now that we've successfully converted our reader to a Windows PC
        instead of writer. HARHAR!

      Why am I helping these idiots improve? I must be hoping they don't read this...
  2. to paraphrase by Matey-O · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes®, it's® true®. I® like® the® Microsoft® Windows® XP® operating® system® enough® to® change® my® whole® computing® world® around®.

    {Stuff deleted}
    © 2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

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    "Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus."
    1. Re:to paraphrase by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think that the silliest part of all of this is that they actually believe that they're going to convert Macintosh users to Windows.

      Now don't get me wrong, I have never owed a Macintosh and, until a few years ago, used nothing but Microsoft operating systems.

      The thing is that Apple users have heard all the anti-Apple flack for years and know where their loyalties lie. The average Windows user doesn't know that anything else exists. It's easy to convert or at least influence a Windows user who hasn't developed any real loyalties.

      But Mac users, on the other hand, are hardcore about their loyalties and know what their OS is and why they like it. They have used PCs in public labs, at school, libraries, whatever for years and will be able to see through the the Microsoft FUD as they have been doing for years.

      I suspect that the marketing brass at Apple will be (or currently are) having a good hearty laugh over all of this.

    2. Re:to paraphrase by Jhan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The thing is that Apple users have heard all the anti-Apple flack for years and know where their loyalties lie. The average Windows user doesn't know that anything else exists.

      Hear, hear. They can have some pretty absolute opinions about other OS's though, without ever having used them, or even seen them.

      I've been a pretty avid alternativist for the last two decades. I used to be (still am in some ways) an Amiga nut. I dived into BeOS when it was new. I was an early adopter of Linux, and have had one or two BSD machines.

      My father (without actually bothering to look at any of the machines for 10s) would always say "Give it up! There is no alternative! Windows has won! No-one will ever use anything else!"

      Well, the last time Pops came over, I showed him my new flat-panel iMac. I just did some basic demoing, like showing him the zooming dock at the bottom, window shadows, speach recognition, and of course the fish in the background (yes, any OpenGL screen saver can be run as a desktop background).

      Response? We'll, he looked a bit shocked. Then he looked a bit flabbergasted. The he looked stunned for a while. Then he said "I want that in my computer".

      At which point I explained "You can't have that in your computer. It's nigh impossible in Windows. But if you got a Mac..."

      May be one more convert for the Gray Side.

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      I choose to remain celibate, like my father and his father before him.

    3. Re:to paraphrase by Rebel+Patriot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing is that Apple users have heard all the anti-Apple flack for years and know where their loyalties lie. The average Windows user doesn't know that anything else exists. It's easy to convert or at least influence a Windows user who hasn't developed any real loyalties.

      You just missed the entire point of this article. Microsoft knows they're not going to convince hardcore Apple users to switch. This copy of Apple's switch campaing, is for MS users who might be tempted to switch. If a user is considering switching to Apple, then sees that some other people are switching from Apple to MS, the user might very well decide to stay right where he is. The theory of course, is that a user who is easily persuaded to try Apple could be easily persuaded not to try Apple; get it?

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  3. Wait one damned minute! by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey! She's not funny looking! Can't those twits at MicroSoft do anything right?

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    Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
    1. Re:Wait one damned minute! by CoolVibe · · Score: 5, Funny
      Yeah indeed... What have we *nix users got?

      Old people with large beards?

      Hmm.... That Ritchie guy sure is sexy. Donchathink? ;-)

    2. Re:Wait one damned minute! by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Funny

      He may not look like much, but his stays up longer.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  4. I'm sticking with MS by scott1853 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their users are much better looking that the Apple ones.

    1. Re:I'm sticking with MS by dissy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Their clipart people you mean?

      Check out Here

      Whee

    2. Re:I'm sticking with MS by mustangdavis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Their users are much better looking that the Apple ones.


      I don't know about that one ...

      Do you remember Ms. Niceass ... you know, that student teacher you had when you were in middle/high school??? Don't all teachers use Macs??? :)

      Hmmmm ... the score:
      • good looking and smart for Mac
      • one card board cut out for MS

      I think we all know who the winner is here ... especially if she'll let you "raise your grade" .... *hmmm* .... oh, excuse me!!!

      :)

    3. Re:I'm sticking with MS by EverlastingPhelps · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Judging from the picture [microsoft.com] I'd say it took half a day and a team of 6 people to get that shot.
      As a media professional, I find the composition amusing. It is a down-angle, making the subject look more downtrodden and small. The half grin could almost be seen as a grimace. Even the way she holds the cup -- as if she was handcuffed with it -- seems to suggest more of a prisoner than someone empowered.

      What are the odds that they went to a Mac-using ad agency to get this done, and this is secret code to the smart people?

    4. Re:I'm sticking with MS by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gee, I wonder if Caroline Woodham, the model in the picture, knows she switched to XP or that she is now a Microsoft editor.

      Whether she does or not, it looks like Microsoft just pulled the page (or it got slashdotted). It seems they can no longer find it.

      I guess Caroline Woodham (or her make believe twin) just got "fired". Or maybe her PC self destructed. Anyway, it has got to be one of the shortest Microsoft careers ever.

      I feel sorry for the model in the picture, though. She signed a release that people could use the photo in general artwork, not that someone can make up stories about her personally. The price of a 72 dpi picture (assuming someone didn't just take it off their web site and cut off the top part with the light table and the company name) just doesn't cover something like that.

      As for a company that feels it needs to hire fictional clip art switchers/editors, that's pretty sad. At least Apple uses (and hopefully pays) real people.

      My favorite switchers tale is still the 1993 "Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla II". Man, when he switches, he switches big time. Just look at all them Macs. ;)

      "His return is near..." Godzilla 2000 trailer
      G Countdown: 15 days (www.godzillaoncube.com)

  5. Choices and Flexibility? by rocjoe71 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Choices: You can select which security flaw to patch first.

    Flexibility: Your choice of anti-virus program.

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  6. Mac versions? by lpret · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aren't there Mac versions of Office and Internet Explorer? Wait, that means they're just boasting about the "wonderful" OS. Oh well...

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    1. Re:Mac versions? by pimpinmonk · · Score: 4, Insightful
      AppleWorks (previously called ClarisWorks) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP. There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work. I wouldn't know how to function without the Track Changes and Comments features of Word. I adore the Office Clipboard, which copies multiple elements from one file and pastes them into another. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 does more for me than Netscape Navigator ever did, and I am a surfing addict. Searches are faster; the History feature makes it easier to find that site from last week; and I can name and organize my Favorites any way I want.
      (Just incase M$ deletes the site)

      I find it more amusing that despite AppleWorks being a little less feature-rich than Office XP, it is about $300 cheaper (as in $0 for Apple to $300 for Office).

      And of course there's the fact that M$ sells Office X for Mac, and Internet Explorer is the default browser for OS X. I can guarantee that the entire M$ advertising team that proofed that page isn't even aware of this fact.

      The point? I dunno about everyone else, but every day I'm getting closer and closer to wanting a Mac as my main PC (and by PC I mean PC, not Server ;))
  7. Hysterical! by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Funny
    This person claims to be a "freelance writer." It's a riot! Don't you get it?

    Don't you figure that he/she might just be the freelance writer ... that Microsoft hired to write this advertising copy?

    I love it!

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    1. Re:Hysterical! by Capt+Dan · · Score: 5, Funny

      I like the how the technical bit about how to set up XP is prefaced by "here's the skinny".

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    2. Re:Hysterical! by Tofuhead · · Score: 5, Funny

      I also found that little tidbit, well, precious. It's like, "Hey, slick. I'm a cool cat and I'd like to rap with you about this smooth new deal. Now here's the skinny, man. Outta sight."

      For various other reasons, I also liked "Girl Scout's honor," "Less Dough," "And Now for the How," "accommodate my 5 foot 3 inches instead of his 6 feet," and "I discover more treats daily."

      < tofuhead >

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  8. It Must Suck... by naNoox · · Score: 4, Funny

    It must suck to be a "freelance writer" and to not even get a credit on your "submission" to Microsoft's site...

    Nanoox

    1. Re:It Must Suck... by taniwha · · Score: 5, Funny

      but 'her' name is on there - look at the dialoig box - she's really 'Don Funk' (donfu@microsoft.com) .... and as has been pointed out below Don chose his photo from some publically available stock photos so that he could show a little more of his feminine side

  9. I should submit by The+Pi-Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    my story about how Microsoft Lindows has made my life easier after switching from Windows 2000. That oughta make someone explode at M$.

    XD
    --j

  10. Linux Switch by anonymous+coword · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux gives me more choices and flexibility.' How, you ask? Why, through OpenOffice, Mozilla, and modern operating-system features like separate accounts for each user and easy access to the Internet, of course.

    1. Re:Linux Switch by cioxx · · Score: 4, Informative
      Here's the real comedy: Linux doesn't actually offer any of those things! Enjoy your positive moderation from outrightly lying.

      The moderation is on target. You sir, are mistaken.

      Red Hat 8 has separate account creation for each user right from the control center. And guess what? It's all GUI point-and-click. It's more intuitive and useful than WindowsXP scheme.

      You lose. Play again.
    2. Re:Linux Switch by cioxx · · Score: 3, Insightful
      too bad that Mozilla doesn't have close to the amount of success that IE does w/the web (including speed of loading tables, program, and support)

      That's such Bullshit.

      Phoenix 0.x is 40% faster than IE, even on Windows. I know because I'm typing this out in Phoenix 0.3 running on Windows 2000 as the default browser. I could never imagine myself running Moz or Opera on Windows. I simply hated them. But Phoenix came and changed all that.
    3. Re:Linux Switch by Dalcius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "too bad that Mozilla doesn't have close to the amount of success that IE does w/the web"

      Well, we all know that the number of users using a tool is directly proportional to the quality of the tool, right?

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      "including speed of loading tables, program"

      IE loads faster in a sense because it's integrated into the OS; the libraries are loaded when you boot your system. That can be seen as a good thing or a bad thing.

      While I admit that Mozilla doesn't have the spunk at rendering as some other browsers do, you should try Phoenix.

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      "support"

      For what? Bad HTML standards?

      Name something Mozilla doesn't support that I'm going to miss on the web.

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      Rome wasn't burnt in a day.
    4. Re:Linux Switch by slagdogg · · Score: 5, Funny

      and easy access to the Internet, of course.

      With Windows, I had to go through ... like ... three ... or like ... four menus to find the "automatically configure my network" button. With Linux, it's like ... I just need to add 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces and a couple of ifconfig commands later, I'm up and running ... like, it's so easy!

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  11. End Note by prsabc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *Editor's Note: Now that we've successfully converted our writer to a Windows PC, we will be working on getting her to try a Pocket PC. Stay tuned for more developments!

    So does this mean that they converted "the microsoft writer to M$" Wow they got their own employee to use their product after how many years, hmmm I am guessing at home she is still a MAC user....

    1. Re:End Note by j-beda · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, the use of "our" in a piece such as this often signifies "the person this piece is about". When a writer says "our hero", she usually is not claiming ownership.

  12. The Mold of Microsoft by jamie · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This "person" is obviously an invention of Microsoft marketing... no name. (Apple made a great move to have everyone in their "switch" ads identify themselves at the end. Microsoft didn't even try.)

    The added touches of this "person" being 5-foot-3 and her husband six feet, and the "Lexus we rented once," was predicted by Philip K. Dick in his short story The Mold of Yancy. If you've read it, go read the Microsoft ad with an eye toward the similarity. It's creepy.

    1. Re:The Mold of Microsoft by SeanWithoutPants · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fyi, the Apple switchers are real and some of them post in the macrumors.com forums.

      http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?s=da33c2d0b 91e364ddc7af1005353836d&action=getinfo&userid=5444

      Scroll down to Aaron Adam's post or Pgant's on the 2nd page.

    2. Re:The Mold of Microsoft by nougatmachine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jesus H Christ. I'm not sure if this is a troll or an honest question, but does nobody read BoingBoing besides me? Mark Frauenfelder, who was featured in the first run of ads (which are no longer available on Apple's web site) has been mainting BoingBoing with Cory Doctorow for quite a while now. I was reading his blog long before the switch ads started appearing. The cynicism of some people amazes me. Yes, the men and women featured in Apple's commercials are real people telling their real stories.

  13. No really, it's a feature! by The+Great+Wakka · · Score: 4, Funny

    AppleWorks (previously called ClarisWorks) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP. There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work. I wouldn't know how to function without the Track Changes and Comments features of Word. I adore the Office Clipboard, which copies multiple elements from one file and pastes them into another.

    Nooo! Not the hidey menu thingy! That thing drove me insane! And here it's listed as a plus? I'm sorry, what?

    All the Mac hardware--including my printer, broadband cable, Zip drive, and Palm handheld--works perfectly with my Windows-based PC.

    Really? You don't say? What about your internal hard drive? And your old applications?

    Well, really. From a company with a huge marketing budget, I expect something that isn't (1) a cheap copy of your competitor's and (2) can't be picked into little bits in 15.32 seconds.

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    Everything is mainstream now.
  14. Must be composite/fake by azaroth42 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No one talks like that apart from marketdroids. I mean really:

    I am a freelance writer; I demand the best in mobile computing. ...
    See Which Edition is Right for You? for more information.


    Who talks in Hyperlinks?

    At least the Mac ads are believable.

    --Azaroth
  15. Soooo Fake... by vex24 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Part of her "testimony" is this classic line:

    My recommendation is to go straight to Windows XP Professional; the extra features for mobile users are worth it. See Which Edition is Right for You? for more information.

    Hilarious... like an actual customer would go hunt down links to recommend people buy the most expensive workstation OS they sell. God Microsoft, keep 'em coming, soon you'll be as funny as the Onion!

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    People shape laws. Not the other way around.

  16. shocking. by 3prong · · Score: 5, Funny

    This makes Ellen Feiss and baby jesus cry.

  17. *Could* be fictional? by sophits · · Score: 4, Funny

    Real people don't say things like:

    I am a freelance writer; I demand the best in mobile computing.

    That just wreaks of marketing monkey dung.

    1. Re:*Could* be fictional? by sean23007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, it reeks of marketing monkey dung; it wreaks havoc on the olfactory glands that have to smell such dung.

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      Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
  18. Missing the point by Mr+Krinkle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the most interesting point isn't that someone switched, but that this is a MICROSOFT writer that was using a Macintosh for 8 years. They just got her to convert.
    "*Editor's Note: Now that we've successfully converted our writer to a Windows PC, we will be working on getting her to try a Pocket PC. Stay tuned for more developments!"
    I think the better story would be "Bill forces last Mac user to switch!"

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  19. Seems Microsoft hate their own products by ravemax · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just a few quotes:
    "AppleWorks (...) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP." - isn't there Office X ?

    "Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 does more for me than Netscape Navigator ever did" - I wonder what happens when I start my IE on my Mac ... (Mozilla is better anyway).

    "The key to getting hardware to work with your computer is to have the correct drivers" - to be honest: i never installed drivers on my Mac - it just worked out of the box.

    1. Re:Seems Microsoft hate their own products by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
      "AppleWorks (...) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP." - isn't there Office X ?

      Yes, there is. It's very much like Office XP, but without the pee that comes with with the Windows version...

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    2. Re:Seems Microsoft hate their own products by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why even bother touting Office over AppleWorks. You just don't get Office for free when you buy XP.

      All you get is "notepad", and "Write".

      It doesn't seem fair. Also, IE6 can't do more than Netscape, Netscape has it's mail, news and etc built in.(Navigator is dead btw... duh M$).

      The point is M$'s arguments are flawed all around. Multi User? They were the last to add that. When Unix was multi-user, well there was DOS, but in 3.1xxx you needed to install Windows in seperate directories for any type of multi-user environment. It's just silly!

      Windows really doesn't come with much out of the box at all. Even the things they integrate suck, that is why there are billions of shareware apps for PC's.

      Not sticking up for Apple/Mac, just saying MS sucks again.

  20. Tell me you're kidding by jfedor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a question to the guy who submitted this story: do you honestly believe that the people featured in Apple's Switch campaign are real? I mean, I know Tony Hawk is a real person. Ellen Feiss could be real, too. But when they speak about how cool macs are and how uncool PCs are, they do so because they got money from Apple. Their confessions are just about as real as those of the "fictional" and "composite" person from Microsoft.

    The difference is that Apple paid someone to lie on TV and Microsoft put their story in the mouth of an imaginary person. Now who's more honest?

    -jfedor

    1. Re:Tell me you're kidding by banky · · Score: 5, Informative

      While they certainly may be lying, every switcher with an internet presence denies recieving a single dollar from Apple (although they did get lunch).

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    2. Re:Tell me you're kidding by MrAl · · Score: 5, Informative

      Take a look here:
      http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=173 7

      Looks to me like it's a real person. And looks to me like it was a real interview.

    3. Re:Tell me you're kidding by Twirlip+of+the+Mists · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm the guy who submitted the story, and I'll be happy to answer your question. Apple did something that most people aren't aware of. They actively solicited, on their web site, write-in testimonials about switching from Windows to Mac OS X for almost a year before running the first "Switchers" ad. Also, Apple paid for the Switchers airfare and accommodations when they shot their TV spots, but they themselves received no money at all.

      Finally, the TV spots are just a small part of the Switchers campaign. Check out apple.com/switch/stories sometime. You'll find dozens of emailed testimonials from real people identified only by their initials.

      The answer to your question is yes. I believe the people featured in Apple's Switchers campaign are real. While I concede that it's possible that the whole thing campaign a big hoax, I think it would have been a lot harder for Apple to fabricate it than it would have been to simply find a couple dozen people who were willing to talk about their Macs on camera. The preponderance of evidence points to the conclusion that Apple is just letting people tell their own stories, while the preponderance of evidence is that Microsoft, in this case, isn't.

      So to answer your last question: Apple is more honest.

      Thanks for asking. ;-)

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    4. Re:Tell me you're kidding by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How did this get modded 'insightful'? Where's your proof that Apple paid anyone to lie, or that they're even lying? Apple solicited write-in testimonials on their website for customers to explain why they switched to Macs. Microsoft put up a story from some unnamed person. Looks like Apple is the more honest company here. So before you go spouting off about people lying, make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about.

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  21. hahaha! by 3-State+Bit · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I was up and running in less than one day, Girl Scout's honor.
    Translation: It took me most of a day, i.e. many grueling hours, just to get up and running.

    Sure, "more hardware is available for less dough", but you get what you pay for...
    1. Re:hahaha! by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, I don't know how much the drives cost. However, I'm pretty sure that I'm under half that.

      The plus side being that Windows has shitloads more stuff on it than Mac. I can run LW on a Mac, but I'd forfeit a TON of plugins I need that were compiled for Intel.

  22. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's newsworthy-- in the Slashdot sense of "news," of course-- because it's funny. Microsoft's response to the Switchers campaign is so lame and so fake that it's funny.

    Nobody has their "panties in a bunch." We're just kicking back on a Monday morning and enjoying a good joke. The fact that Microsoft made the joke-- inadvertently, at that-- just makes it that much more enjoyable.

  23. "fictional or a composite sketch" by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 5, Informative
    "The author of the page -- who never identifies herself, and who could very easily be fictional or a composite sketch"

    IIRC, Microsoft targeted such an ad campaign at Mac people a couple years ago, albeit to get them to use IE & Office for Mac, not switch altogether. The campaign featured what were purported to be testimonials from satisfied customers, but M$ tipped its hand when it launched the ads too quickly, and had "customers" discussing their experience with the latest versions of M$ wares a few days before said versions actually shipped.

  24. "Better Virus Protection" too by Dejohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft has had this report potsted on their Exchange website for a while. http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/techinfo/outlook /FerrisOutlook.asp.

    Some research company with "evidence" suggests that you're less vulnerable to getting hit by email viruses if you use Outlook rather than anything else. This report is shoddy, even for Microsoft. I'm amazed they would even post this!

    1. Re:"Better Virus Protection" too by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course there's better virus protection for Windows.

      They've got way more practice writing and updating signatures.

  25. She's Also a Photodisc Model! by obidonn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not only is she a freelance writer, but she also models for stock photography - check it out. Or maybe they just threw in a stock image of a person...

    1. Re:She's Also a Photodisc Model! by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

      HEY! Thats the same chick I met on IRC last night!

      --
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    2. Re:She's Also a Photodisc Model! by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the same size as the sample, cropped to miss out on the watermark. Did MS even pay for this image, or did they just download/crop the sample??

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    3. Re:She's Also a Photodisc Model! by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Holy shit man, I was just on the photodisc page and I was just going to post the same thing. Great minds think alike.

      It sure looked like a photographer took the picture, didn't it? Notice the warmer fill light on one side of her face, no way that was just some snapshot.

      Photodisc has a great search feature .. just type in words like "content young woman sitting looking at camera" and you'll find it.

      Most of those goofy pictures you see of people talking or using their computer or something are stock photos.

      Good ol' microsoft!

    4. Re:She's Also a Photodisc Model! by bmf033069 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even better...On what seems to be the remnants of Caroline Woodham's (photographer's name just below picture):

      www.svidaho.net/~cw/index/ GIF's/Apple%20Logo.gif

      "Designed and Maintained on a Mac!"

    5. Re:She's Also a Photodisc Model! by obidonn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bill Gates owns Corbis. Getty Images is owned by Mark Getty and the Getty Foundation. They're in direct competition with each other, both in sales and acquisitions.

  26. Re:Reload. by echophase · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hey now, i'm using IntelliSpeed(TM) technology.

  27. Re:Story: (-1; Flamebait) by FooBarWidget · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seperate accounts for each user? Didn't Unix had that since the late '60s?

  28. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This strategy has existed for decades and I find it not funny nor worth getting your panties in a bunch about.

    I think you're missing the point. It's not the strategy that's amusing, it's the fact that it's such a poor effort. Microsoft doesn't offer one reason to use XP that doesn't also exist in Mac OS X. Microsoft Office? They have that for OS X. Multi-user? Yeah, OS X has that. Etc, etc.

    it's like an ad from Iraq's tourism industry trying to lure beach-goers away from Florida:

    Sun? We have that. Sand? We have lots of that too!

    This is almost as silly as Microsoft hosting the "we have the way out" anti-unix site on freebsd. but i digress...

  29. observation by GunFodder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't have any formal training in marketing besides having watched maybe 10000 hours of TV :) In many categories the market leader does not mention the competition. For instance, you don't see commercials where MacDonalds even mentions Burger King or their other competitors. Nike and Budweiser do the same thing. Up until now Microsoft has only compared their newest OS to previous versions of Windows.

    If I was an Apple user I would be encouraged by this bit of marketing. It implies that Microsoft is concerned about their image compared with Apple and is willing to violate this empirical rule.

  30. HW cost part rings true by verch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article as a whole is as funny as any of the mac switch parodies I've seen. A thousand times funnier actually because it's real. There is one point that I don't think you can argue with however. There are many more choices for hardware, and at the risk of making a sweeping generalization, PC hardware is cheaper. This is the only reason I haven't made the switch already. I can't afford to invest $2k right now for a decent mac system, plus however much to gather the suite of software that I rely on on my PC.

    PS. Someone should mention to the MS marketing dept that they also produce Office for OSX.

  31. Love the part about installing drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The switcher writes:

    The key to getting hardware to work with your computer is to have the correct drivers, the software that enables your PC to communicate with your hardware. Windows XP or your computer manufacturer will pre-install most of them. If not, go to the Web site of the company that makes the peripheral you want to attach to find the most current drivers.

    This seems to defeat the entire purpose of the campaign.

    Anyone who knows what the heck she's talking about and can correctly find, download, and install drivers has good reason for being on the OS that they're on and will not fall for this homegrown "I'm happy switching" rhetoric.

    Everyone who can't do that -- 98+ percent, probably -- fall exactly into Apple's target market: people who know their computer went "bleep bleep bleep" and want to go somewhere where they won't HAVE to know how to find, download and install drivers.

  32. No, it's her twin sister! by mekkab · · Score: 3, Funny

    Its odd and eerie, like they are twins who are 180 degrees different, almost a mirror image...

    Hey, Mekka, ever heard of the rotate tool?

    Oh, uhm, never mind.

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  33. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Scratch-O-Matic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft doesn't offer one reason to use XP that doesn't also exist in Mac OS X. Microsoft Office?

    From the botom of the article:

    Editor's Note: Now that we've successfully converted our writer to a Windows PC, we will be working on getting her to try a Pocket PC. Stay tuned for more developments!

    I'm pretty sure that what's going on here is that Microsoft found a freelance writer to write glowingly about XP in exchange for free hardwaree and OS. Similar to the old tactic of giving aluminum siding to a family for free so the neighbors can see it in action. 10 bucks says she's on the MS payroll. Also, in response to the posters above who remarked that she is so much better looking than the women in the Mac ads: I'll bet the picture shown is not the writer of the article.

    Could be totally wrong on both counts, but that's my impression

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    Evil is the money of root.
  34. Funny, it lists one of the major headaches... by nordicfrost · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MS Wrote: "The key to getting hardware to work with your computer is to have the correct drivers, the software that enables your PC to communicate with your hardware."


    I'd argue that it is not only the key, but the biggest headaches of Windows. Sadly, I have used a lot of Windows in my life (and Linux). Sp when my mom bough an iBook, it was a revelation. I mean, so many digital cameras functioning on it without ANY drivers? Amazing. Also, it seems that the drivers made for OSX is more stable in the long haul than the Windows drivers.

  35. On her career by Bouncings · · Score: 5, Funny
    No, she clearly is a free-lance writer.
    • Windows XP gives me more choices and
    • flexibility, and better compatibility with the rest of the technology world.

      ...

      I am a freelance writer; I demand the best in mobile computing.

      There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work.
    Mobile computing? Versatility? I could swear she was the free-lance writer who wrote the mission statements of a dozen busted dot-coms. No wonder she's looking for cheaper hardware!

    I wonder if the switch helps her utilize her verticle portals too!

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    -- Ken Kinder ken@_nospam_kenkinder.com http://kenkinder.com/
  36. Reality by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reality is there really are many Mac users who would happily appear on TV and say the same things. I know I'm one...

    Don't you think there are people as similarily pleased with Linux that would appear in ads if given half a chance? Is it so hard to believe these people could be real?

    I think there would even be such a group that would happily go up and proclaim the wonders of MS, why MS has chosen to craft a person instead is beyond me. I guess it's the need for total control.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Reality by vex24 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't you think there are people as similarily pleased with Linux that would appear in ads if given half a chance?

      Would seeing CowboyNeal on your tv make you want to switch?

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      People shape laws. Not the other way around.

  37. Writer? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Yes, it's true. I like the Microsoft® Windows® XP operating system enough to change my whole computing world around."

    She's a freelance writer who begins her "story" by ending a sentence with a preposition. I wonder if she writes for anyone other than M$?

    --
    If brevity is the soul of wit, then how does one explain Twitter?
  38. Entertaining??? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ``Anyway, it's an entertaining read that's good for a laugh.''
    You think this is fun? This is FUD. Lies. Crap. Misinformation. Cheating. BAD BAD BAD.

    I mean, advertising is one thing. Advertising the things you stole from others is quite another. XP is more multiuser than OS X? You'll make me laugh. Office XP has more features then Claris? Yes, it's called bloat and decreases usability. Besides, office runs on Mac, too.

    MicroSoft Internet Exploiter faster does more for her than Netscape ever did? Yeah, popping up ads, loading up the borked MSN ActiveX control, loading Word documents inline so that people get the idea that they are a replacement for webpages. Searches go faster? Maybe if you are looking for the crap that M$ search comes up with...give me Google any day! And it's not like Netscape doesn't have history, either.

    Connection Wizard - yes an old pal of mine. It's always the first program I removed. Not that removing is easy, you have to actually delete the directory it's in, or iexplore.exe will run it for you. WTF? I asked for _Internet Explorer_ not _Connection Wizard_. Why I get rid of it? Because setting up access to any provider I've used is easier without it, and because sometimes I just want to satrt a browser, without having to click away a bunch ow wizards first.

    `` I started with Outlook Express for e-mail, because it's included with Windows XP.'' Here we have the fatal flaw that got us all those lovely email virii. I understand that the vulnerabilities have *finally* been fixed in the XP version, but God, did that take a long time.

    ``I copied hundreds of Web Favorites from the Mac onto a Zip disk, then into the Favorites folder on the PC. Internet Explorer has an Import/Export Wizard that you can use to import Netscape bookmarks, but I found it faster to do it this way.''
    ROFL. Copied them to a Zip disk? Hilarious. It's called Linux. It can mount _your_ filesystem. You don't even have to buy a new computer to run it! And the OS is Free, as is most of the software you will want to use!

    ``Both Outlook Express and Outlook will import contacts and messages from other programs.''
    Yes, and I trust that M$ have taken care that they are then saved in a proprietary format so that others can't pull the same trick on them...

    ``Later, I had to uninstall and reinstall Outlook''
    Yes, welcome to Windows...

    ``The key to getting hardware to work with your computer is to have the correct drivers''
    Indeed. And M$ have been so good as to make the XP driver interface incompatible with previous versions of Windows, so that if you install it on older hardware, you may not be able to get drivers for your components. A problem that Macs don't seem to have, but I might be rong.

    ``If not, go to the Web site of the company that makes the peripheral you want to attach to find the most current drivers.''
    And download a 10+ MB file from their site that loads a lot of visual violence, advertisements, bells and whistles, and then tells me that I downloaded the wrong driver, even though the name of my device is almost exactly like the one the driver is for? Or worse, not being able to find out where to go for the driver, because all Windows has to say about it is ``PCI Multimedia Device''? Where is lspci -vv when you need it??

    Pfff...it's been a while since I've been able to blow off so much steam...

    --
    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  39. Godfather Bill by Mignon · · Score: 5, Funny
    Scene 1: Godfather Bill is sitting with his trusted goons.

    Godfather Bill: What's this I hear about one of our freelance writers using a Mac? Make her an offer she can't refuse.

    Scene 2: Anonymous writer's bedroom.

    (The anonymous writer tosses and turns in bed, and rolls over, waking up. She notices something in the bed next to her and pulls back the sheet to reveal the severed LCD screen from her beloved iMac.)

    Anonymous Writer: Aaaaah! Aaaaaah! OK, I'll switch!

  40. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Incongruity · · Score: 5, Funny
    Being a Marketing Director, I can tell you that there is nothing surprising (or news worthy) in this story. Its simple. Competitor explains why there product is better than yours. You can either A.) Do nothing B.) Fight Back

    See, the great part is that Microsoft tried doing A and B *together*! Now that's novelty.

  41. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's newsworthy in the sense that it'd be if Chevy's all-new campaign against Ford were to have the MD of GM chatting to the camera about how his granddad, Thomas Edison, and "whoever the President was at the time", would go to Yellowstone Park in their Suburbans.

    That's the amusing bit. That MS is copying Apple's campaign. It's doubly amusing because it's a well known MS-bash that, supposedly, MS copies everything Apple does anyway.

    [I dunno. Windows 1 through 3 weren't remotely Mac like. Even Win95 and up has no meta data yet. But the point has been made]

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  42. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    And yet you read this far, to reply to my comment? Man, if this is boring to you, then the rest of your life must suck.

  43. Why Apple is like Communism! by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Flame note, this is intended to be humor. I haven't gotten a chance to play with OS X, but it looks pretty cool.

    Top 10 reasons Apple is a bit like Communism

    10) Lots of cool intellectuals and artsy types seem to like it.

    9) Fun to stick it to "Evil Abusive Capitalistic Monopolies".

    8) Ton of zealots constantly proclaiming the beauty of the new revolution.

    7) Everything seems to work together easily. However, you have to give up some choice.

    6) Stores on the other side always seem better stocked and have better selections.

    5) Goal is to make life as easy and fair as possible.

    4) Hides much of the inner workings of the system so the people don't have to worry about them.

    3) Although they do not admit it, most of their competitors have used at least some of their ideas.

    2) While it looks like they were beaten in the 80's, may just be making a comeback.

    1) Given history of past practices for the "greater good", scared to death of what the world would look like if they actually took over.

  44. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by cioxx · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is almost as silly as Microsoft hosting the "we have the way out" anti-unix site on freebsd. but i digress...

    I know of a similar page you speak about. They compare linux servers to WindowsNT based OS's and provide bunch of examples which absolutely make no sense.

    I have friends who are Microsoft zealots. They code in asp, use windowsXP and dismiss *nix as hobbyist's OS. I've had some pretty heated arguments with them on many different occasions, and they come up with the lamest excuses and examples why Windows based servers and IIS in particular are far more superior to *nix and apache based solutions. One notable point they try to make is that IIS is supported by a multi-billion dollar corporation and can be set up by pointing and clicking, as opposed to modifying .htaccess and getting down and dirty into the apache's configuration files. Truly pathetic.

    Don't get me wrong, I use Windows 2000 on 3 of my computers because frankly they get the job done on the desktop level. But when it comes to servers, Windows/IIS is a FisherPrice toy compared to BSD/apache. Believe me, I've tried to like IIS... It never clicked.
  45. It's not capitalism, it's promotion by sg3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work in marketing too, and I think it is newsworthy because it shows that Apple's campaign is a success.

    Since one can't generally can't make a correlation between an advertising campaign and increased sales (too much of a lag and too many factors), there are a few milestones for promotions that indicate success:

    1. A coined term being adopted by the industry. In this case, "Switcher" is being used in all sorts of contexts, albeit in articles talking about Apple. But if someone in the computer industry uses the term "Switcher", most people in the know will think "Apple". I guarantee you someone in Intel's marketing department grins whenever an analyst talks soberly about "Moore's Law".

    2. Grass roots movement/fan clubs: Exhibit A is Ellen Feiss. I doubt if anybody outside of Dell' marketing department builds fan sites for that annoying geek they're using

    3. The competition is forced to respond to you. Pepsi constantly mentions Coke, but Coke never mentions Pepsi. But Pepsi's marketing department would love to see that happen. If anything, it's free advertising, because your product is being mentioned without you having to pay for it.

    4. Finally, some sort of parody exists. I've seen a few on the web, but Apple would hit pay dirt if Saturday Night Live or someone painfully mainstream would do a parody. That would show that Apple's Switchers campaign has become a small zeitgeist, like the Mastercard "Priceless" ads.

    The Microsoft ad was so bad because it was so easily dismissed. All the talking points could be dismissed just as easily as they are brought up. Make no mistake, someone in Apple's promotions department saw that pathetic Microsoft ad and grinned from ear to ear.

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    1. Re:It's not capitalism, it's promotion by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Perhaps the Apple ads are intended to increase cognitive dissonance--make people feel more uncomfortable about using Windows, thus driving them to make the "Switch" for peace of mind.

      This would actually be more compatible with my own experience of advertising: that it's intended to make you more and more unhappy, until you give in and buy product foo just so you can sleep at night.

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  46. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Overt+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The newsworthy part of the story is that a market leader apparently thinks it has to produce an ill-disguised clone of a market follower's ad.

    You're right in that Microsoft had the choice of doing nothing or doing something. But doing something this stupid is to lend credence to your competition rather than building interest or confidence in your own product.

    The Ford/Chevy analogy does not work because they have reasonably equivalent market share. The better anaolgy would be if there were ads for a Yugo featuring former Ford owners, which Ford countered with an ad featuring former Yugo owners. That would have been a massively stupid move for Ford, because all they are doing is equating the two makes in peoples' minds.

    (The Yugo/Ford analogy is not intended to imply any correlation between quality of produts, just strength of market share...)

  47. Separate accounts for each user? by Lonath · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, that's quite an innovation. I wonder how they thought of that. I get a little tired of having to use this "root" account that came with my Linux package. It's kind of a stupid name and I wish I could change it to my name. Maybe someday Linux will have separate accounts for each user.

  48. This is a totally stupid game--see through it! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I can't believe you guys are taking this thing at face value. Are you nuts? Do you really think that MS has a fertile source of new money inside the Mac crowd? I've seen figures (can't attest to their reliability) that an Apple customer pays more money to MS than the average x86 customer. I'm sure this figure isn't far off. I mean, MS Office is on just about every Mac, it's much harder to find pirated copies, and it costs more to buy at the store.

    This whole thing is a charade that Apple is a willing participant of. The whole point of the "switch" campaigns is to give the appearance of competition in an industry that effectively has none. Microsoft must be thrilled, because a totally leashed, client company (Apple) is making it look like competition is nipping at Microsoft's heels. Last week they tried the "Windows and Mac users can get along" campaign, which was spooky but not surprising, given the antitrust battles going on now.

    Remember that the allegation made against MS is that they don't compete fairly with their real competiton. There are boxes of evidence to support this. On the other hand, there is the supposed couterexample of Apple: A high profile, low danger company that gives MS absolutely nothing to worry about. MS is in fact crying: "see, we are running a fair race! Look at Apple! We're not bullying them at all! We're really, really competing with them using--fair methods like advertising. And oooh, we're soooo scared that they would eat into our market share, so we find it imperative to run ads which prevent this! Our position on the desktop is soooo vulnerable!"

    Well, I hoped that at least the slashdot crowd could see through this. I mean, we know that once Microsoft aputates both of your legs, they are perfectly willing to run a fair race against you. Witness that Internet Explorer is now finally uninstallable. However, suddently the Windows Media Player isn't. That's because RealMedia still (sort of) has its legs. Once they're off, the uninstallability problem will suddently disappear. My point is that Apple lies somewhere between Netscape and OS2 in terms of being a threat to Microsoft. However, there is much good PR to be gained by making it appear that the two companies are locked in fierce competition. So MS are milking it. The only surprise is that nobody is calling them on it!

    1. Re:This is a totally stupid game--see through it! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm not saying that this sort of advertising is bad or ineffective (although I happen to think it's both). What I was saying is that it's disingenuous, that the agenda is not really to make ads that are most likely to result in an increase of MS sales.

      If all Apple users switched to Windows, MS would hardly notice. Again--remember how much Apple users already pay for Microsoft products. Would they really pay that much more if they also ran Windows? So I'm saying that there is no way that Microsoft's real intention could be to draw users away from Apple. It's just not worth it! Their real intention is to give the appearance of competition, to look like fair players. Apple is a good patsy for this purpose, because everybody knows them, they still have vivid memories of the old "competitive" days, but the Apple of today poses no threat at all. They are (as I tried to write earlier but but made a typo) an amputated company, one that marches as MS whistles (they exist by permission of Microsoft). Still, it's very much in MS's interest to project the appearance that Apple is a threat to them, and making "competition" commecials is a perfect vehicle for this. We know who the real audience is! They wear robes to work.

  49. This is a joke... by seamus_waldron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article looks as though it was written by somebody who has never, ever, touched a MAC.

    Frankly, I'd like to see a MAC formatted ZIP disk work instantly on a PC. I'd also like to see why the writer didn't compare Microsoft Office to Microsdoft Office v.X. I'll tell you why, v.X is in my opinion the best Office implementation at the moment. Also, why not compare IE 6 PC to IE on the MAC?

    The whole thing is just laughable.

  50. So reply to the 'real' writer ... by taniwha · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look at the article 'she' shows an example of a file open box .... obviously her real name is 'Don Funk' and quick google search shows 'her' email address is 'donfu@microsoft.com'

    1. Re:So reply to the 'real' writer ... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wrote her, expressed my sympathies at her unfortunate un-feminine name, and congratulated her on the apparent success of her modeling career. I hope she writes back...I'd like to enhance her user experience even more...

  51. On Markets and Market Leaders by Zech+Harvey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it surprising that Microsoft feels the need to use this style of marketing campaign. Not for the fact that is blatently copying Apple's Switch campaign, my surprise for MS copying other people's work ran out years ago.

    What surprises me is that it has been found that market leaders need not identify themselves in their campaigns -- it is implicit that most consumers will choose said market-leader. For example: Campbell's doesn't need a campaign that says "Buy Campbell's" It just needs to say "Buy Soup" and most consumers will choose their soup. This marketing push of their OS by name in a popular style, at least to me, says that Microsoft is really getting worried over any change in market-share. Enough so to nitpick over a few percentage points and retaliate with a campaign like this. (Tell me, at the height of the pre-bundled, defacto-standard Windows Empire -- How often did you see their OS advertised?)

    (by the by, how do tactics like this by Microsoft strain their relationship with Apple? I would think Jobs, being an artist at heart, would hate a blatent copy like this.)

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  52. funny... by LinuxWoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how the "convert" keeps speaking using microsoft marketing jargon.... like the average user automatically thinks in terms of "oooo visit this handy tool at microsoft.com"

  53. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by dirk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    think you're missing the point. It's not the strategy that's amusing, it's the fact that it's such a poor effort. Microsoft doesn't offer one reason to use XP that doesn't also exist in Mac OS X. Microsoft Office? They have that for OS X. Multi-user? Yeah, OS X has that. Etc, etc.

    But then again, the Apple switch ads don't offer a single reason to use a Mac that WinXP doesn't have. You can burn cds and dvds, which you can do on WinXP. You can make movies, whihc you can do on WinXP. Neither sides has any really good arguements, because people wouldn't respond to the good arguements (things like the cariety of software on Windows vs Mac or the better usage of the power of a Mac vs WinXP). Neither side really will convince someone to switch, it will just hopefully make them check out both and make a decision after looking at both of them.

    --

    "Information wants to be expensive" - Stewart Brand, the same guy who said "Information wants to be free"
  54. Reasons I like this ad by guttentag · · Score: 5, Funny
    • The woman in the picture looks like she's in the middle of a commercial for a yeast-infection or genital-herpes remedy. "With Windows, I don't have to be afraid to tell people what operating system I use. And that's a weight off my shoulders, so I can spend more time enjoying life."
    • "It's about more and better." Wow. That's substantial and profound. I thought she said she was a "professional writer."
    • Most of the page is devoted to explaining how to use wizards. If you need to explain how to use your wizards, your need to fire your usability team.
    • She finishes her pitch by talking about installing drivers and finding more programs to convert her Mac documents every day: "I discover more treats daily. For example, Word Converters are helping me transfer old document files, Microsoft Works files, and even AppleWorks files. It will be an ongoing process, but I'm thrilled so far." In other words, she still hasn't been able to convert all her documents, and she expects it to be a long, ongoing process... and this is why Windows is "better?"
    Personally, I don't think Microsoft wrote this. I think someone from Saturday Night Live broke into the MS server room and uploaded this.
  55. Even a dumb girl can run XP ! by gosand · · Score: 5, Funny
    OMFG, that was hilarious! The underlying message was "Microsoft makes switching from bad ol' expensive Macintosh to their happy, puppy friendly technologically superior Windows XP platform so easy, even a dumb girl like me can do it. Tee-hee."

    How low can you get? Does anyone really BELIEVE this story? I sure hope not.

    But at the end of the article, there are forms in PDF and Word (natch) where you can send in YOUR experiences with Windows. Come on Slashdotters, fill them out and send them in! PDF and Word

    Here is the text of the document. It gets better...

    Show Off Your Skills

    Are you a whiz at using a Microsoft product at home or in the office? Are you the one everyone comes to when they need to know how to do something? If so, we'd love to see what you can do.

    A whiz? ha ahaha I think they mean wiz. Oh brother.

    We're collecting ideas for articles on the Microsoft Insider Web site. Some of your work or submissions may be included in a gallery on the site, featured in press releases, or developed into how-to articles.

    This just in: Microsoft invents user-friendly HOWTO documents.

    Note: We will not feature any of your work without first receiving your permission.

    And having you sign away the rights to any experience you may have, or have had in the past to the sole ownership of Microsoft.

    To participate, please send us:
    Your first and last name
    Name of your company or organization (if applicable)
    Brief description of your company or organization, including industry and size
    Brief description of which Microsoft product you use and how you use it
    Personal contact information, including address, phone number and e-mail address
    Samples of your work--either hard copies of your marketing materials or a Web site address where we can view your work. Please be sure to include any user names or passwords that might be needed.

    WTF???

    You can submit your sample(s) one of two ways:
    1. For online materials, send an e-mail message with the subject line Microsoft Publisher Customer Stories to insider@microsoft.com. (Note: Please do not send any attachments over 1 megabyte in size.)

    Or with any malicious VBscripts attached


    2. For printed materials, send hard copies to:
    Microsoft Insider Customer Stories Microsoft Corporation 9931 Willows Road Redmond, WA 98052 Microsoft will not share the information you provide with third parties without your permission except where necessary to complete the services or transactions you have requested, or as required by law.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  56. Now that we know she's just a model... by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...someone has to track her down and discover that she is also a Mac user in real life-- she probably has a CRT iMac or an iBook or something, if she's like the models I know.

    It always cracked me up that the Blue Man Group shill for Intel but run their shows with Macs.

    ~Philly

  57. Another Outlooker... by Ektanoor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Importing Messages. I upgraded to Outlook when I installed Office XP. I chose Yes when Outlook asked whether I wanted to import messages from Outlook Express. Later, I had to uninstall and reinstall Outlook, but all was not lost.

    Hmmm. In the way she writes her excitement on using this piece of crap, it looks she is another outlooker that says yes, Yes, YES to every Klez juicy flavour and every LOVE YOU letter... Probably the new, fresh and exciting BugBears will make her dreams sweet... I imagine the ride of joy she'll have when some Barby/Trojan will salute her in one more of these exciting [censured] M$ gifts...

  58. Compelling reason to switch to Linux/other Free OS by MamasGun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom.
    Freedom from DRM.
    Freedom to use the OS however you want to.
    Freedom to tweak and change, even at code-level.
    Freedom to install the OS on any machine you want to without asking "Mother May I?"
    Freedom from bullshit licenses and other nightmares.
    Freedom from the vast majority of viruses and exploits.
    I'd say that's a REAL compelling reason.

    --
    "But you've already got a DVD. It lasts forever....In the digital world, we don't need back-ups..."
    -- Jack Valenti
  59. Let's submit stories! by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's what I submitted as my XP switch story. :-)

    You can use my personal photo from this web page:

    http://delivery.gettyimages.com/comp/AA046139.JP G? x=x&dasite=GETTYIMAGES&dareq=1A0C1F181E0
    80314025 D2337394D32324055454243585F414E

    My name is Linda Lee and here's my story!

    "WindowsXP is great!"

    OKay, I admit it! I've been a Linux user for years! You know, one of
    those communists who thinks that everything should be free and forgets
    to use deoderant. Recently, I was reading a totally unbiased
    technical article in a magazine that informed me that the competition
    just cannot stand up to Microsoft's (r) Windows (r) XP operating
    system.

    Let me tell you how lost I have been all these years, using free,
    open-source software! What a waste of my life! As soon as I read
    about all the great features, I threw some clothes on (shoes too!) and
    ran out to my nearest CompUSA to buy a copy of Microsoft (r) Windows
    (r) XP Professional for about 400$US. I got home, ripped the
    shrink-wrap off, read over the draconian EULA (I don't mind giving up
    some freedoms, Windows (r) is just too great), and immediately got to
    installing.

    After installation, I was unable to activate my copy of Microsoft (r)
    Windows (r) XP. Sure, there was a little hic-up here, but after all,
    you sometimes have to make sacrifices for quality! After about a
    month of not being able to use my computer, customer support finally
    just said I could use a "back-door" activation code. How wonderful
    that Microsoft are helping me out at their own peril!

    It only took me about three months to get me up and running! Girl
    Scout's honor!

    More Crashes, Less Work

    Microsoft (r) Windows (r) XP lets me relax more through my busy work
    day. With continuous crashes and reboots, I can spend more time
    sipping coffee than doing my job! Microsoft (r) Windows (r) XP also
    ensures that the work I do manage to get done is of the highest
    possible quality. I demand that I be empowered to rewrite a document
    I lost four times so I can be certain that it is very refined.

    More Software Flexibility

    Previously, I had access to hundreds of thousands of free software
    products. But they were free, and we all know that anything that's
    free is worth nothing! Now I can go out and spend anywhere from 50$US
    to 5000$US dollars on a box with a CD-ROM disc in it! With a cost
    like that, it ought to be some really good software!

    Final Comments

    If it wasn't for Microsoft (r) Windows (r) XP, I wouldn't bathe, use
    deoderant, or wear clothes all day. I would just sit around and
    stink, rotting in my house, getting fat! Thanks to my switch to
    Windows (r), I'm healthy and have a great life! Thanks Microsoft (r)!

    --
    Why bother.
  60. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by Gropo · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But then again, the Apple switch ads don't offer a single reason to use a Mac that WinXP doesn't have.
    Many of the ads aren't touting
    "all the things you can do on a Mac"
    so much as they state:
    "Damn! What a royal pain in the ass it is to do X, Y and Z under Windows! I got a Mac and got it running with hardly any effort... Now I can concentrate on doing stuff instead of preparing to do stuff..."
    Sure, Alot of that is also platform-redundant, but I surely consider the Macintosh to be the "less tweaking required" platform overall...
    --
    I hate Grammar Nazi's
  61. Link not working by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 5, Informative


    If the linked to site doesnt work for you (it doesnt for me under mozilla 1.0), get the image directly from here

    Compare it to MS's image

  62. Re:But she's a guy by taniwha · · Score: 3, Funny

    I should add that not only is she a guy .... but also he has obviously managed to make it through the Girl Scouts .... obviously his teenage years were either a lot of fun .... or seriously confused .... I'm just waiting for the GSA suit against M$ for either misusing their trademark .... or sneaking a boy into a troop

  63. Re:Which monopolistic corporation do we love? by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 4, Funny

    The fact that every component in a mac laptop except the CPU is superior to my windows laptop, DOES NOT MATTER!

    The fact that the networking makes Windows XP look like it's from the 80's DOES NOT MATTER!

    The fact that apple has had a connection faster than USB2.0 for the past three years, DOES NOT MATTER!

    The fact the LCD is clearly better, and the fonts on a mac are arguably better, DOES NOT MATTER!

    The fact the OS seamlessly supports every component on the laptop with no quirks, DOES NOT MATTER!

    The fact the laptops are silent except for the hard drive, DOES NOT MATTER!

    When will you apple dorks realize the only important possession a man has is the MHZ of his CPU. Everything else comes second, even when the CPU speed causes me to sacrafice something from every other component on the system.

    CPU MHZ IS GOD!!!!~~~~

    --
    I live in a giant bucket.
  64. When are they going to try the... by Uttles · · Score: 3, Funny

    "resistance is futile" campaign?

    --

    ~ now you know
  65. "our writer" can also mean... by dcavanaugh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The writer that we hired; she works for us."

    But it gets even more interesting. Maybe she is really a he (and perhaps not even a freelance writer at all), since it is "Don Funk" whose user folder appears to be used in the screenshot.

    After they stopped laughing, our IT staff predicted that this page would be gone in 24 hours.

  66. Re:yeah right (cheap shot) by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Funny
    Speaking of which...

    I saw an ad on TV last night for some PC maker who's got some sort of PC with a long neck and a flat panel, just like an Apple and comparing the two.

    The funny thing was, they never showed the PC turned on. I guess they had to do something to keep it from crashing during the filming of the ad.

    --

    The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.

  67. She's not the only one... by nuclearmoose · · Score: 5, Informative
    Check out some of Microsoft's other "Insider" stories: href=http://www.microsoft.com/insider/reference/en cartareferencelbrary2003_researchpaper.asp
    This kid is probably one of the best 13 year old writers I've ever seen! Encarta must save him so much time that he doesn't have to go to school anymore. He can continue with his modeling/freelance writer career.
    Hey, there's a new encyclopedia - it's called "Google"!

    And what about these people?
    http://www.microsoft.com/insider/printhelp/
    They're all smiling 'cause their #!@%ing XP printer driver finally installed. (sorry, couldn't find this in the stock photo archive. I'm sure it's there though)

    This girl is obviously smiling because her Windows PC didn't crash and lose her History paper last night: href=http://www.microsoft.com/insider/homeoffice/ Stock Photo

    Now here's a good one: http://www.microsoft.com/insider/productivity/
    Stock Photo
    Here dad is helping figure out what "fatal error in krnl32.dll means". Say, isn't that a mac they're using?

    What the hell are these two looking at? http://www.microsoft.com/insider/finance/

    Ah well, I think the whole site is just one big stock art catalog. Once again Microsoft doesn't create anything original...

    1. Re:She's not the only one... by jamie · · Score: 5, Informative
      Your URL for the 13-year-old "best homework project ever" didn't work for me; here's one that does...

      Microsoft testimonial
      stock photo

    2. Re:She's not the only one... by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Funny

      Here dad is helping figure out what "fatal error in krnl32.dll means". Say, isn't that a mac they're using?

      Ha! It is indeed. It looks like an LC. The keyboard is an Apple Extended Keyboard. That's too funny... You'd think with a budget like Microsoft's, they could at least avoid promoting the competition in their ads...

      --
      STOP . AMERICA . NOW
  68. Re:Compelling reason to switch to Linux/other Free by MoneyT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While those are indeed reasons to switch, they aren't quite compelling.

    Freedom from DRM.
    So far, there is no DRM in Mac OS, and untill there is, that isn't a reason to switch.

    Freedom to use the OS however you want to. I want to use my OS to get my daily work done. There isn't much beyond that that the OS has to do. This isn't really a clear argument, can you be more specific?

    Freedom to tweak and change, even at code-level.
    I rarely have the desire to do this. Most programs work perfectly fine for me, and for those that dont, I get an alternative program. Even still, this argument is only compelling for a minority of computer users, I believe the original poster's intent was compelling reasons for other people to switch.

    Freedom to install the OS on any machine you want to without asking "Mother May I?"
    Not quite. I can install it on any machine I want to, assuming that the machine is compatable with the OS hardware support. The main issue of course being that there are still seperate distros of Linux (PPC, x86, SPARC). When will we see a distro with all the nessesary code in one package, and a universal install?

    Freedom from bullshit licenses and other nightmares.
    I'll give you that one. But again, the argument could still be made that for most intents and purposes, Apple provides the same freedom to it's users.

    Freedom from the vast majority of viruses and exploits.
    Seems to me that that's a better argument to switch to mac than to linux.

    Like I said, they're all very good reasons, but none of them are compelling to most users.

    --
    T Money
    World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
  69. i hoped she used that $450 towards her XP pro by Alcimedes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    actually, my favorite part after her crowing about purchasing a laptop for $450 less, is that she then had to turn around and purchas winXP pro in order to have her laptop work properly with energy saving features.

    lol.

    yeah, we'll sell you this laptop for cheap, but battery life is gonna cost ya!

  70. Yes, Writer. by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

    She never claimed to be an EDITOR.

    --

    "And like that ... he's gone."
  71. Anyone wanna Narc MS out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who wants the honor of letting Photodisc know about this alleged copyright violation... If only there were some hardware protection to keep such (alleged) things from happening...

  72. Webpage got pulled... by *xpenguin* · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like they deleted it out of shame.

  73. Re:Compelling reason to switch to Linux/other Free by facelessnumber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom to install the OS on any machine you want to without asking "Mother May I?"
    Not quite. I can install it on any machine I want to, assuming that the machine is compatable with the OS hardware support. The main issue of course being that there are still seperate distros of Linux (PPC, x86, SPARC). When will we see a distro with all the nessesary code in one package, and a universal install?"

    ...I'm pretty sure he meant legally. I can, have, and still do shamelessly install whatever flavor of Windows onto whatever machines I want to. It's not permitted in the EULA though. Although Linux completely takes the fun out of this concept for me, I can take Redhat 8 Professional, (yes, the retail version - Ironically the only OS I've ever paid for) and install it on a couple of new servers and a few workstations, in a commercial environment where even I don't have the balls to use something without a license, and it's cool. Encouraged, even. Yes, you have the same option with MacOS as I do with Windows, but with Linux neither of us are getting fired or paying fines. And most Linux distributions do have a universal installer - FTP.

  74. Re:Know what's funny? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Linux isn't living up to any of the claims that MS or Apple are making."

    LOL!!

    I can see the Linux ads now:

    "So.. like, I bought this Firewire Video camera, and I like shot some footage of my dog and stuff... and like when I plugged the camera into my Linux laptop.. uh.. well it didn't work. So first I went to find a firewire driver. And uh.. well I couldn't find one of those, but I find a kernel update that had firewire support. So I downloaded and recompiled and typed this in and that in and that kind of worked. Then.. then I had to find a free-app that'd do DV-capture and editing. After a few days of posting news groups, I eventually did find one that sort of worked. Of course, I had to fix a bug or two for it to be useful. But hey! It's free!! Isn't that the great thing about Open Source? Fixes happen like really really fast. Anyway, so I sort of got that running... and uh now I can get video from my camera to my laptop. It only took a few weeks! So like there's no way I'm going back to Windows now because I put all this damn effort into this and finally got it working.

    My name is Ronald and I'm a Linux Zealot."


    It's a joke, laugh.

  75. Re:Welcome to Consumer Satisfaction by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But then again, the Apple switch ads don't offer a single reason to use a Mac that WinXP doesn't have.

    And you've completely missed the exact same thing that Microsoft missed about the Switch campaign.

    The point isn't to show these people talking about all the things they can do with their macintoshes. The point is to show how happy that all these people are about all these things that they can do with their macintoshes. The point is demonstrate to all those disgruntled windows users in the Great Unwashed, using real people, that computing can actually be a pleasurable experience.

    Apple doesn't want you to pay attention to what any of those people in the Switch ads are saying. What they want you to pay attention to is the quiet, joyful glow in Ellen Feiss' eyes as she talks about how happy she is that she doesn't have to worry anymore about the computer going all, like, BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP and deleting, like, half her paper. (And it was a really *good* paper.)

    They want people to see these Switch ads and go, "Wow. These people all seem to actually enjoy using their computers. I don't enjoy using my computer at all. Maybe if I bought an apple, I'd enjoy using my computer too."

    (Of course, usually the ACTUAL effect is that people see that quiet glow and they go "Wow. Maybe if I started smoking pot, I'd be happy too". Or they start stalking Ellen Fiess. But the point is the intent of the whole thing.)

    This is why the switchy-PR thing on MS's website is such a joke. [S]he's describing how "great" her experience with WinXP has been, but the experience that she describes sounds about as fun as a trip to the DMV in which the line was short and you managed to get in and out and get everything you needed done without particularly any hassle. Meanwhile, any emotion that there is in the article feels about as real as Anne Coulter.

  76. Why bother? by DaveOMatic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think the Apple switch campaign was the best advertising they could have gotten. Every time I see one of those smug, smarmy bastards talking about why they switched, it just makes me cling to my cvrappy Windows box more, out of spite. It's like those "The Truth" anti-smoking ads, that make you want to start going at a pack a day, just to shut the little punks up.

  77. Re:Welcome to Capitalism by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Funny

    If that's the true definition of "capitalism", why is it kept so quiet that even bringing it up makes you sound like some sort of fringe nutjob?

    --

    Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

  78. Explanation by sg3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Update: 10/14 21:12 GMT by P: Apparently,
    > Microsoft has taken the page down, but Google
    > has it.

    She must have switched back

    --
    Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
  79. So, is Office XP included in that price? by kalidasa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AppleWorks (previously called ClarisWorks) pales in comparison to Microsoft Office XP. There's no equivalent for the versatility of Microsoft Word, Excel, and PowerPoint®. Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work. I wouldn't know how to function without the Track Changes and Comments features of Word. I adore the Office Clipboard, which copies multiple elements from one file and pastes them into another.

    So a laptop with 512 MB of ram, Office XP, Windows XP pro, and all the other features this thing is talking about was $450.00 cheaper than an iBook? Sorry, but that is very unlikely. If you're comparing a Windows computer to a Mac, and you're saying that Office XP is better than AppleWorks, you'd better be including the $500 for Office XP in that comparison, or you're going to get burned by legal.

  80. Did Microsoft forget that they sell Mac Office? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 3, Informative

    What a horrid little article.

    Wow, that was bad. I personally loved when that fictional woman was bragging about Office having more features then Appleworks. Well, all I have to say is "duh." AppleWorks was designed to be a simple office productivity suite, not the huge beast that is MS Office.

    Moreover, did Microsoft forget that they sell Microsoft Office for MacOS? And did they also forget that the Mac versions of Office (at least 98, 2001, and Office X) have typically had cooler features and a better interface then their Windows counter parts?

    And, hey don't get me started on all of the free Open Source Productivity suites that have tons of features and read DOC and XLS files for free. I think Microsoft forgot about those as well.

    Other things that Microsoft seems to have forgotten about include:
    Microsoft develops a version of Internet Explorer for Mac OS complete with tons of Mac specific features.
    Mozilla(netscape) has more features, and -actually- does more then IE has ever done.
    Every browser on the face of the earth comes with a history and organizable favorites, bookmarks, etc
    A lowend iBook will remain functional a hell of a lot longer then a lowend notebook running windows.
    Wizards are horrible little things that should rot in a firry pit of hell. Users should never 'need' to look for a wizard for simple setup procedure. They are a crutch for poor interface design.

    God I hate Windows.

    --
    "Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
  81. Sorry, is that page for or against Microsoft? by leonbrooks · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I guess they had to do something to keep it from crashing during the filming of the ad.

    Well, one does wonder... the advertiser may have been worried about whether the thing actually died in the saddle or not, but the original Microsoft page that this SlashDot story is about says (used to say):

    Later, I had to uninstall and reinstall Outlook

    ...which to me looks like she'd probably have to uninstall XP to stop it from crashing.

    So... if this is Microsoft's new, fantastic, reliable, easy-to-use replacement for OS/X, why did our anonymous but very pretty switcher have to spend time sysadminning her brand new toy? And why did Microsoft publish that point? They're basically confirming every Windows user's constant nightmare: that the system might suddenly and without obvious cause irretrievably screw itself.

    When was the last time you had to remove and reinstall KMail to get it working?

    --
    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
    1. Re:Sorry, is that page for or against Microsoft? by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The thing is -- I've never had to add or remove my e-mail client, either.

      I think that was a joke or something, though I haven't seen it.

      Outlook does kind of blow for some things, but for sucking so bad it still doesn't really give me any problems, unless you count it being totally fucking worthless for newsgroups. I don't even bother using it for that.

      Incidently, I still have the majority of my e-mail since about 97 on this system. It's been brought forward upgrade after upgrade.

      Maybe I'm just lucky.

      --

      "Everything you know is wrong. (And stupid.)"

      Moderation Totals: Wrong=2, Stupid=3, Total=5.
    2. Re:Sorry, is that page for or against Microsoft? by dadragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never had to do this. The people I know who TRUELY know what they are doing have never had to do this.

      I don't fear my XP system crashing, because it doesn't.


      Dude, how many people do you know who both run XP Home and know what they're doing? I can't think of any.

      I was just at my uncle's house. His computer runs XP, he and his wife are the only ones who use it. One of the user accounts was so fscked up as to be unusable, so they switched to just using one of them. His e-mail didn't work, but that was because Sasktel changed their POP3 authentication method. And it was slow and somewhat unstable. I fixed these things quite easily, but I know what I'm doing with computers and my uncle didn't.

      My 2K server box and my XP box are sable like packed dirt (pretty stable, month long uptimes with no slowdown), while my FreeBSD box is like a rock (multi-month runtimes -- pretty much solid between releases -- with no slowdown). I know what I'm doing, so Windows and FreeBSD work. For the average home user, Windows won't work because it's too easy to fuck up. ...and I refuse to believe that I'm superior to other users.

      But that's exactly what it is. You're a better user than most of the "XP sucks" crowd. It [XP] ain't bad, but it can be fucked up just like anything else.

      Or, maybe, most users just don't know what they are doing? I think I'll buy that one.

      You just hit the nail on the head. People assume that they know everything or that they'll figure it out (which they probably can, but they'll end up installing it a few times before they do)

      --
      God save our Queen, and Heaven bless The Maple Leaf Forever!
    3. Re:Sorry, is that page for or against Microsoft? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Maybe other users, even the ones who THINK they know what they are doing, are just inferior to me?

      There's another possibility; perhaps they are neither inferior to you, nor superior to you, but rather just different from you.

      With two decades of programming experience I don't consider myself to be any sort of a "clueless newbie". I've worked on (and programmed for) everything from embedded controllers to goverment mainframe supercomputers. I don't have a problem understanding technology, but every time I work on an MS-Windows based system I have the same kinds of problems that some other people (apparently not you) describe having, regarding crashing apps, BSOD's, etc. I've reached the conclusion that Windows is fine for most of the people in the country, but that most of the people in the country just don't think like I do. I can't get my head around Windows; it seems to be designed for different kind of thinker. (Not that I'm complaining, I like being one of the minority who can think like I do.)

      And I have no quarrel with anyone who chooses to use Windows (although I encourage them to try other operating systems just to make sure they know about all the alternatives so they can pick the best one for themselves) but I will complain whenever and Windows user tries to make the argument that Windows must be the best because a lot of people use it. And my position leaves me strategically opposed to Microsoft, as a corporation, because they have a financial interest in getting rid of people like me.

      Go ahead a use whatever you feel like using, and don't feel like you have to defend your decision to me. But by the same token, don't hate me just because I choose to Think Different.

      --

      The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.

  82. shocking! by autopr0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That someone might use stock photographs as design elements on a web page!

    Sure, the 'testamonial' picture would lead you to belive that the person pictured actualy wrote the artical, but most of those pictures are just headings to pages with lots of links.

    --
    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  83. I really like my XP... by forgoil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but the multiuser part of Windows sucks worse than NFS in Linux. The separation of users settings works as long as it is Microsoft's software, but many 3rd party software sucks ass big time (for instance ICQ).

    Multi-user works a hell of a lot better in different unixes, even though it is very basic and cumbersom (I can't spell today) at times.

    1. Re:I really like my XP... by tempfile · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, NT has all the facilities for perfect user separation, ranging from private registry areas over home directories to group policies. It's the 3rd party software that's to blame here, and not Windows.