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Opera Gives That C64 Feel
howcome writes "Opera yesterday relased beta2 of the forthcoming 7.0 version. Opera now supports mulitple user style sheets and by selecting "Nostalgia" from the menu all web pages suddenly resemble Commodore 64 (screendump1 screendump2) from 20 years back. Also, there is a handheld emulator to see what a page will look like on a handheld device running Opera. To get you through Christmas, you can also use the "fast-forward" button. Try it on Google (screendump)!"
I have fond memories of dialing up with the 300 baud modem hooked up to the old vic 20. When will I be able to relive that experience?
. . . . at least on mac. this is just nostalgia to try and make people forget that their engine is dog slow.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel
Predictably, the images are down.
Opera just made a mistake, in my opinion, with that. I liked how they kept the browser streamlined and stripped down; this new feature is, possibly, a sign of creeping featurism and surrender to the forces of software bloat.
Oh well. I guess if I want a simple browser, I should stick to Lynx.
Warning: Poster of this comment is a nerd. Just like everybody else here.
So when can I expect a C64 theme for Phoenix?
Yeah, but Apple still happens to add value, to various respective industries...
Like Final Cut Pro->iMovie, DVD Studio->iDVD, and the iPod+iTunes combo, among other things.
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Does this mean that someone is working on a cart based Linux distro? Can't wait to do tar backups on my cassette!
have you even used opera?
the engine is still faster then anything else I've used, and I've just about tried them all (especially on older hardware).
and as for opera not being the best... it's got quite a few people who've *actually* used it for awhile who believe it's far superior to anything else out there right now.
One of the first things to go onto my machine is opera, no matter what OS I'm running.
Sure, the c64 thing is silly... that's what it's intended to be... probably a coder just having some fun one day threw it in there as comic relief.
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Maybe with the C-One us 8-bitters can get closer to a real 8-bit Opera browser... :-) Of course it would probably have to run under Wings or Wheels though
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I realize you are trolling here, but things are slow at work, so I'll just go ahead and answer anyway.
If you can't be the best, do something kind of zany and creative in hopes of keeping your business afloat.
Okay, maybe you have not used Opera lately, but many people, including smart people like Joel Sponsky, would argue that Opera is the best. Considering what a small market they're dealing with (those people who don't use IE and are willing to pay for a web browser), the fact that they're still around should be enough evidence of this.
Hey, I guess they figured it works for Apple and could maybe work for them.
Apple is simply meeting a niche demand for stylish computers that are almost as good a price/performance value as competing PCs. You pay a small premium for a stylish design, which is worth it to many people (e.g., people who wear nice athletic gear or drive Mitsubishis).
I think you're either a) jealous that you can't afford Opera or an iMAC, or b) one of those Linux freaks who thinks they have a right to get everything for free. Either way, you're definitely not older than 16, so come back when you're grown up. Thanks.
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The new Embedded Opera looks fantastic for PDAs and cell phones, it basically reverses the zooming features and doesn't drop anything(except superfalous images), CSS, javascript, it's all in there. I hope us Zaurus users can get a free upgrade, I'm finally getting 802.11 for it in a few days ;)
put the what in the where?
i used to think so too..
before i got phoenix.
(well, the differences are VERY subtle, but hey, if i can have for FREE something that i'd need to pay with opera or warez.. darn ads. i also dig phoenixs default ui look more)
opera has it's uses though, the zoom function makes handheld webbrowsing a breeze.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Have you been using Opera recently? Like over the last couple years? The new betas are really pretty speedy and also smaller than the 6.x release versions. I just downloaded the last beta and the latest production release. Here they are:
[wee@host tmp]$ ls -l
total 6836
-rw------- 1 wee wee 3588280 Dec 18 16:06 ow32enen605.exe
-rw------- 1 wee wee 3397867 Dec 18 16:05 ow32enen700b2.exe
My boss and I were talking about this very topic. They've apparently re-written the rendering engine from the ground up. We suspect that they use the same engine in the desktop versions as in the embedded versions. Then they tack on JavaScript and Java and the various UI bits to make each platform-specific release.
Whatever they do, they haven't succumbed to to creature feep. They've done just about the opposite: they started fresh and the result is a faster, leaner browser. Of course, I've only used the windows version a couple times, but it was noticeably nimbler than the 6.x Linux versions.
-B
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It's amusing to see retro styles like this coming to our modern computers. All those fancy blinking lights and millions of colours and yet people still enjoy and actively use styles that are supposed to represent 16 bit or 8 bit GUIs or CLIs.
Maybe it's more evident for me to see these trends because I wish I was back in the days Amiga began, though at this age, with more programming knowledge and a wad of german Marks to buy Amiga from commodore. Then I'd hire this aspiring student from Helsinki Uni called Linux Torvalds, lock him into a room with an Amiga 500, some computer running Minix next to another one running some BSD unix, a bunch of programming tools and with an infinite supply of an odd mixture of Guiness/Red Bull. After a few months of hyper-evolution, Linus would crank out a basic kernel and a few nicely ported programs, including word processors and other office relics that were used back in '83, along with some basic GUI. (Think of xfree68x 0.0.1)
After this, program developers would be VERY interested in the Amiga, a system running mainstream office programs based on the proven reliability of unix. Game developers would start to prefer the graphical powers and the motorola processors of the Amiga and Microsoft would be out of business before they even started. Or they'd start to develop for the Amiga, ruining my whole fantasy as it would simply turn the tables, making Amigas with Windows XP mainstream in 2002 and x86 based pcs a rarity, only to be maintained by a bunch of zealots who would make religious fundamentalists blush... :( Dammit, I hate it when I kill my own fantasies! *sob*
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There is a glaring problem with Opera 7's much-touted "PDA support." Opera does not automatically pick up stylesheets declared as media="handheld". In other words, instead of using a stylesheet that specifically formats a page for PDAs and handheld devices, Opera will try to reformat the page on its own.
That's a pretty neat trick for pages whose designers aren't thinking about the bigger picture (the Hiptop does something similar), but a real pain in the ass for those of us who are building pages "the right way" (i.e. XHTML for content, CSS for layout). This is particularly annoying in that Opera claims to fully support W3C CSS Mobile Profile 1.0. As far as I can tell, it doesn't.
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Enough. It's enough times now. Please, dear sweet Jesus, enough.
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I have to ask - you - why is PNG bad? Really - I'd like to know what you think is bad about it? What would you suggest is better? Windoze BMP for it's small file size maybe?!
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Use IE and Passport and you can browse like it's 1984.
I'm Rick James with mod points biatch!
No amount of filtering can make slashdot look good.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Why would I want that? lynx is the best way I can think of to browse the web as a handicapped person would. Also, I don't want to open up another browser besides Opera to get that functionality.
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Hmmm... so I will be able to view websites as through the eyes of a c64, but I see nothing in the feature list about opera being able to render the page even though it hasn't downloaded all the images. Will _that_ be fixed in version 7? I hope so.
Opera needs MS mouse scroll wheel support, and this is the main reason I wont use it. The response the developers posted, "use autoscroll" on MS mice.
Get with the times, wheel mouse work with Mozilla/Phoenix/IE and Netscape, how about supporting it in Opera?
BTW, I hear it works fine with logitech mice, but all I have is m$ rodents.
see this for well thought out appraisal of opera's ui, particularly vis-a-vis mozilla's ui.
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I've recently started using Pheonix and Mozilla, and have found that both are just as stable as Opera, except they do not have this feature, so my losses are more substantial, sometimes requiring me to search through my browser history to get back to where I was. I know that there is some sort of feature like this with the tabs extension, but it's not obvious how it works, and I never got it to.
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Here's a little comparasin, as I use both Opera and Pheonix. Some stuff opera does that pheonix doesn't do, or doesn't do as well (that I actually use): 1. switch all graphics on and off 2. switch css on and off 3. zoom in and out Stuff pheonix (and extensions) does that opera doesn't do, or doesn't do as well: 1. turns off specific graphics 2. better tab management (middle click!) 3. better personal bar, (I especially like opening all my newssites at once with a single middle click, and then throwing them away with another single click when I need to move onto another task.) Just chiming in... _KhlER3L
99.9% of all website work perfectly with IE. That's not true for any other browser I've tried including Netscape, Mozilla and Opera.
:) but I like to use all those fancy technologies appearing on the web, and so far IE is the only one that can cope with all.
I would love to change browser, but I won't accept a browser that doesn't render all the pages I visit. Give me a non-IE browser that renders as large a percentage, and we've got a deal.
I know real nerds prefer text-only (in theory anyway
And let's not forget: IE is a very nice browser in itself. The only real reason I want to switch is because suspect to see DRM and the likes in IE Real Soon(TM). Heck - every time I upgrade to a newer version it's a couple of cents out of MS's pockets for the bandwith - what other browser gives you that satisfaction?
I'm quite impressed with this second beta. With betas like this, IE7 better be damn good to not get yawned at
It was called Impossible Mission. I was on a retro 64 kick about a year ago and downloaded Vice (a c64 emulator) and several game disk dumps from www.lemon64.com (sadly, they no longer host the actual game disks. I think they ran into legal trouble). Impossible Mission was one of the ones I downloaded.
The truly sad thing is that I was able to beat it again. The first time I tried it. That's just...creepy.
"Destroy Him, My Robots."
*step* *step* *step* *BZzzzzzzssszzszzzt*
*step* *step* *jump* "AaaaahhhhhhAAaHHhhhhhhhh..."
That game was way ahead of it's time.
I'd love to see a modern 3-D viewpoint version of it. I think with a behind-the-avataor camera viewpoint like Tomb Raider it would work well. And of course, the guy would have to do a flip every time you jumped, for no aparent reason.
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Wow...I never had heard of Mitsubishis being considered 'stylish'. German cars, yes, but a standard Japanese car?. 'Nice athletic gear,' well, perhaps stylish to your standard frat boy or hip hop artist, but most people would consider "stylish" being something like Kenneth Cole, Armani, Gucci, D&G etc. etc.
At least thats my definition of style....shoot...i just realized that if thats style, i'm the lamest person around! ha ha :)
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Don't worry, you can turn all of them off. All I have is the commands (without icons), window tabs, address bar, and status bar. You can turn off the icons, move things to the top or bottom or turn them off altogether, whatever you like. Once you register, the ad at the top goes away and the whole thing takes up no more real estate than any other useful app.
I completely agree with you about the clutter. It's one of my biggest bitches about most modern software - everything is lousy with button bars, speedbars, coolbars, iconbars, minibars, whatever. The first thing I have to do after installing something is turn pretty much all of it off. KDE apps are particularly bad offenders here - the default layout of KWord gives me something like 8 lines of text. What really bugs me is that 80% of these buttons are useless. Does *anyone* ever use the toolbar icons for cut/paste/new file?
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The nostalgia feature is great.. and completely useless. No wonder people don't take this web browser seriously.
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Sure, the c64 thing is silly... that's what it's intended to be... probably a coder just having some fun one day threw it in there as comic relief.
Actually the retro-idea is probably ripped off from GTA3 Vice City. This game has it part of its introduction cut-scenes(yes to get you feeling confortable with the 80s).
I've been told by the Opera Linux team that Opera 7 for Linux is what they're working on and will share the Windows version's engine.
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I've used Opera 4, 5, 6, and 7b1 on Windows 98, 2K and XP systems with MS, Logitech and Kensignton mice and trackballs an the scroll wheel has worked in every install I've ever done. I don't even have to tell it to use it.
With 7b1 you sometimes have to click the focus into teh frame you want to scroll, but it does work.
I don't know about Linux or OS X, so YMMV in those environs.
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There were a couple of posts on bugtraq when the alpha came out a month or two ago saing that it had really obvious security holes (of the "browse and execute and possibly delete any files" variety) -- nothing else was specified as the opera folks were still working things out to make opera not suck -- but I would like to know if they got the issue(s) resolved before running it. I loved 6 (and 6.05) enough that I paid for it, but have since switched to phoenix (and ghostzilla at work) since I got bored.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
I really got used to the 80 column view of my C= 128. I hope Opera doesn't leave me out in the cold.
When you click on a link does a sound of the 1541 disk drive gronk, grind, and click?
Do you refresh with a SYS64738?
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Just one question: why? I could understand when it was only IE and Netscape, and I could see how some might prefer it over Mozilla; but take a look at Phoenix and tell me what Opera has (besides nostalgia mode) that Phoenix doesn't, even though it's only a .5 release. I used Opera until early version 6 or so, then switched to Mozilla and now Phoenix. Is 7 worth another look, or is it mostly the same as before?
I think Opera is the best overall browser.
Some browsers are better for certain things, but I think Opera studied how people actually use their browsers. For instance, when you click the back button in Opera, your previous page is there *instantly*.
It renders pages waaaay faster than anything else, and it comes with a decent e-mail client.
Not that I don't have complaints, though. The toolbars & buttons waste screen real estate. Fortunately, you can download some nice skins and small buttons. Ultimately you have more control over what it looks like.
I like IE & Mozilla, but I realize how great Opera is when I use them.
What happens when it loads a page bigger than 64K?
So long, and thanks for all the Phish
The parent post did refer to Opera for the Mac. Have you actually used it before? It's terrible.
Version 6.0 was just release (it's a Carbon app that runs on 8, 9, and X), and it's horribly slow, ugly looking, and uses non-standard keyboard shortcuts. I had very high hopes for Opera on the Mac, but this release has all but shattered them for me. It's almost the exact opposite of Opera 6.0 on Windows.
I've been using Opera on Windows for the best part of 4 years, and swear by it. However, I don't even bother with it on my iBook. Perhaps when they eventually release Opera 7 for the Mac (which will be a *long* way off) things will be better, but I'm not holding my breath...
But I'm not paying for Opera. I have to ignore a little ad banner in the upper right corner, but that's not so bad. Yeah, it costs me a teeny tiny bit of bandwidth, but I've saved that much and more by suppressing all the annoying Flash/Java ads and popups. As an added bonus, I'm running it swiftly and happily on an old PII/300.
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Have you ever built a web page or designed an interface? From your comments I'm going to assume the answer is no, and that you are either a DBA, marketing dude, or otherwise non-interface aware individual.
I do a lot of interactive consulting, and I can definitively say Opera is the worst of the four major browsers available (four being IE, NN, MOZ, and Opera). Why?
1) The "opera speed" is a factor of page caching choices made by their dev team. To that end any browser cna achieve an increase in parsing speed if their willing to put logic behind a caching system and virtually force users to employ cached data.
Remember that generally techies bypass all caching and force the browser to "always download a new version of the page", so folks who want to guarantee they get a current page don't get this speed gain. The reasons date back to the early caching fiascos of the major browsers as THEY attempted to make use of caching to "increase their speed."
Yes, most folks leave these elements active by default and will have faster browsing, but at what cost? It is COMMON for new elements of a page not to be detected, and then the user has an outdated page.
2) Opera 7.0 is a catastrophe. I've tested the browser against a whole bunch of DOM standardized code (DHTML, Javascript, etc.). It doesn't even implement BASIC rules properly. window.open properties? Not supported. Page x/y positioning and detection? Not supported, or when it is it's only in relation to an interior "window" that totally defies standardized browser behavior.
I was beginning to support Opera in all my scripts, but after testing the betas I've been forced to acknoeldge I won't do so going forward. The differences betwen 6.01 and 7.0 are ENORMOUS, and 6 is actually MORE standards comliant the 7!!!!
Thanks god opera's market share is small enough to ignore. If it works for them fine, if not they can scream at Opera's dev team.
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Now, if someone just could make a new video compression format that would allow us to view the latest movies on the old 64... ;)
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I have used Opera since it was launched many years ago and I currently use Phoenix on Gentoo Linux here at work in production. Both are great browsers, but Phoenix is still lacking in some sense.
One feature I miss in Phoenix is handling both the select-buffer and the cut-and-paste buffer in Xwindows, it only handles the select buffer. Opera does and I need it since I do a lot of cut and paste between web-pages and an internal tool written in Java (only supports the cut and paste buffer)
Another issue, which is a bug in Phoenix is downloading UNIX compressed files (.Z). Phoenix does not save them at all.
I can go on and on with differnces, but I don't need to. Both browsers are good and I'm sure Phoenix will be even better as their development goes forward. Browser wars are stupid. Test several browsers and pick the one that covers your usage. It may not be the same as everybody else chooses, but so what?
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i said on mac , and a dog it is. i'd say chimera, omniweb, or mozilla when pulling multiple pages (for stability purposes) are the fastest on my old assed mac. opera finally released first non-beta, its putrid
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Where is the giant banner add offering something I don't care about?
All joking aside I wish Opera the best, but I couldn't imagine using it when there are other viable options.
> As an added bonus, I'm running it swiftly and happily on
... whatever) the speed is
> an old PII/300.
This is impressive _how_?
I'm running on a PII/233, and regardless of which browser I use
(Mozilla, Netscape 7, Opera, Phoenix, Konqueror, Amaya, Arachne,
Netscape 4 (ick), K-Meleon, Galeon,
pretty much exactly the same -- and unless I'm doing something in
the background that's lot more CPU-intensive than web browsing,
my CPU-utilisation-meter almost never goes past 50%.
Web browsing speed depends almost 100% on three things: bandwidth,
RAM, and latency (in that order). CPU speed, unless you're trying
to use a 486 (or worse), is a complete non-issue.
The whole "Opera is fast" argument just doesn't fly with me. Opera
loads pages in the same amount of time as any other browser. The
only way to speed it up substantially would be to not retrieve some
of the content (such as images and plugins, perhaps), but almost any
browser can do that if that's the effect you're after.
I have Opera, and I use it from time to time (mostly for testing
pages to see how they look in it), and I'm unable to perceive any
increase in speed over other browsers.
Opera does have a smaller footprint than the big boys, but that's
a separate issue; smaller footprint only means faster if you're so
low on system resources that you're using a swapfile, and if that's
the case you've got bigger problems than your web browser.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Great game, so much fun, and surprisingly full of stuff to do and explore. Or maybe it was just because I was like 8 years old.
... You broke your Shuba!
In any case, I loved that game so much that I bought the book. There's an entire series, in fact. The book really explains what was going on in the game. It's an interesting read if you're a Below the Root fan.
Random and weird software I've written.
That was my favorite "phoenix"... I always liked the away/leaving/joining comments; they were all lyrics from megadeth songs.
The "War" portion of the script looked interesting, though I was never L4M3Rz enough to employ it... I was on IRC to chat, not compensate for my personal insecurities by kick/banning people, and taking over their channels.
What happened to IRC anyway? I've been on a few times recently, and it's just not the same. All the old guard are gone, and it's all "RU Single??" messages.
Sorry for the nostalgia; that C-64 screen really got me going...
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
Was the C 64 really around 20 years ago?!? It doesn't seem like that long ago when I was playing Bard's Tale on one. Jesus, 20 years ago, that makes me... oh I'm depressed now.
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and as for opera not being the best... it's got quite a few people who've *actually* used it for awhile who believe it's far superior to anything else out there right now.
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They obviously arnt web developers. Maybe to a normal (non-advanced) user Opera might be acceptable, But to anyone thats ever touched css Opera is unusable. Its one of the worst to render css in my experience (excluding ns3/ie3).
It has huge problems with spacing and linebreaks, and generaly makes it hard to work with.
If they can blatently break css and still be called a browser? 'cat' makes a pretty fast rendering engine to, though it has "a few rendering problems".
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AHHHH! Text web browsing....bad college flashbacks....noooooo!
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The majority of websites today seem intent on popping up these annoying other windows, which I never requested. Strangely, in Opera I never see this problem.
If having needless application windows showing up all the time is your idea of perfect, you can keep it - I'll take my 'imperfect' browser any day.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
RTFS
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German cars are usually referred to as 'well engineered', 'typical teutonic quality' or 'good value for the money'. I rarely see them mentioned as stylish.
Now Bugatti, Aston Martin, Lamborghini and Ferrari..those cars have style. When someone truly loves the way a car can look rather than loving the internals that make it go, you end up with a stylish vehicle. Quality may suffer but it still looks sexy as hell.
Opera 6.05 on Win XP works exactly the same as in IE, scrollwheel wise
both manually scrollwheeling & auto scrolling
Menus:
View->style->user mode
then
View->style->nostalgia
buttons: click on the small button that looks like a blank page. It should turn into a button that looks like a person. Click on the downward arrow on the button and select nostalgia.
But nothing rocks like the pop-up killer in Opera 7. It pops up only pop-ups that you _asked for_ (or, clicked on). Works like a charm. Can't wait for Opera 7 on Linux..
I bet there are a lot of old Amiga geeks out there who'd love to be browsing the internet on something that looks like an Amiga...but isn't...as opposed to some of us old Amiga geeks (you know who you are, hi, Knute!) who really do browse the internet on Amigas.
;)
He says there's actually a good reason, even: "I don't get viruses, because nobody writes viruses for my operating system, chortle chortle chortle." Me: "So when are you going to get a real computer? I switched to PCs years ago!" Anybody got an Amiga virus on disk I could send to him by mail?
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
Um, decent value for cheap price, and at convenient locations?
I always thought the Apple strategy was like the Honda racecar strategy: Vet and hone technology in a serious environment, like a racetrack or a video production house, and release similar but less hardcore technology to the consumer world.
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I think variety is the spice of life. I originally bought for Opera for linux because it rendered fonts so much better than Netscape and Konqueror. This was before Moz.
In RH linux I mainly use Opera 6, but I also use Konqueror and Mozilla for various tasks. Konq is great because (in KDE 2.2.2) it's small and pops up quickly for little tasks. Moz has good font handling now and is more compatible with some websites that were written for Netscape. Opera is tops for its handy keyboard shortcuts, easy toggle to user style (e.g. to fix a white-on-black site), and excellent tabs and bookmarks implementation.
Once in a while I export my Opera bookmarks and suck'em into Moz, just to keep things in sync. Some day I'll write a Mozilla start-up script that does this automatically.
Opera's unstable in Linux, unfortunately. Since 6, I've *NEVER* had an instance of Opera not crash eventually. 6.1 has gotten more stable but man-oh-man what is it with these segv's all over the place? I would have thought a few code reviews would have caught most of these long ago, but the Opera folks must be understaffed.
In Windows I mainly use Moz but occasionally IE when forced to. In other words, the more the merrier. It's not browser wars; it's browser orgies!
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I made it, after mapping out where all the dynamite sticks were in advance, and I was loading/saving ten times as much as I was playing, and I finally finished it on my last life. Other games like Bubble Bubble could be won without losing a single life that way. Dynamite Dan? Often you just *had* to lose lives, even if you played perfectly.
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That it is easy to implement is irrelevant. The fact is it's an innovative and intelligent idea.
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