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Apple's Present: iTunes Supports Ogg Files
curious.corn writes "I may be a fool (and a happy Christmas Mac OS X newbie ;-) but it seems that this morning's software update brought a really cool cadeau to Mac OS X. How 'bout Ogg file integration in iTunes? Yesterday evening I could only play them in QuickTime (after downloading a component somewhere) this morning I updated iTunes and am enjoying my old Linux playlists. Buon Natale a tutti voi Edo."
So, like, um, i clicked, and the computer was like, beep, and then it was like, playing my .oggs!
--Ellen Feiss
it's that codec you downloaded. It also hooked itself into iTunes. Apple has made it clear they won't support Ogg, at least in the forseeable future.
I think I could already do this with the same component. It just plays them as quicktime files. The downer is that they still have to be ripped to mp3 to goto the iPod. Now the real Christmas present would be if Apple would release an OGG iPod update. That would be really cool.
Tommy
Does this mean .ogg files will work with the ipod? If yes, then im sold!
...but only if it supports Ogg- oh, wait, never mind...
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Apple does it's best to get users to switch.
Since Many Linux users also have a commercial OS: So Ogg supoort will certainly convince Linux users to get OS X instead of Windows as their commercial system.
Now when will they add support for WMV files?
i seem to remember seeing a friend play ogg files from itunes before. but, i don't ever recall them working on the ipod. i couldn't see any mention of this on the apple website.
answers on a postcard please...
/usr/bin/awake/too/long
FYI: at least the german Software Update version currently has a bug which reinstalls iTunes 3.0.1 everytime you check for new updates & install them. (even if you have iTunes 3.0.1 already installed).
See freshmeat. This isn't from Apple, though ...
This is somewhat offtopic, but this reminds me of my irritating RealOne player problem. I can't get the auto update to run through our firewall. This means I can't get the codec I need to watch about 30% of the South Park episodes on my harddrive. It's starting to tick me off...
...but this is hardly anything revolutionary. Sure, OGG is a nice format, and it is supposedly patent free. Until somebody actually discovers that they have a patent for something that it is using, that is. :)
:) And 99.99% of Mac and Linux user won't ever notice. :)
The big issue is always a question of "does it work today"? And today, there are free software to decode and encode both mp3 and ogg files, and that means that they are equivalent from that standpoint. A small number of people will preferr ogg out of purely moral reasons, but for the vast majority this only means that there is yet another file format out of loads of fileformats that is supported by Apple. Which is nice, but on the whole rather uninteresting.
Apple did hardly implement this to make a point. They probably implemented it because it was easy.
this guy is on crack. iTunes already did Ogg. There is no update.
(And my new damn iPod won't charge!)
This
This may well be a subtle hint from Apple that the next firmware upgrade will allow the i*Pod* to play ogg files. Maybe Apple's significant market share can help swing the balance away from the tyranny of mp3? We can but hope...
There is NO UPDATE FROM APPLE TO SUPPORT OGG. Buddy has installed the codec from another project, and because it's hooked into the system iTunes has picked it up.
What happens when you remove the .ogg codec for Quicktime? Does the iTunes .ogg suport disappear?
Do your iTunes visualizations respond to the .ogg files?
Please, we need more info.
ogg vorbis: better compression than mp3 but not as good as mp3pro (twice as good as mp3 and *backward compatible - YES YOU CAN PLAY IT IN A NON-MP3PRO PLAYER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A NORMAL MP3!). not as widely used as mp3. so the question is: where could this really be used? it's too much of a niche market.
free (as in mp3s) electronic music
try resetting the ipod by holding down the menu and play/pause button simultaneously for about 10 seconds. that fixed my charging problem.
what i really want is an ogg encoder in itunes, not just a player.
But don't fret! You can run .ogg files in iTunes; in fact, I'm doing so right now! While it may not have been posted on Christmas, and it may not be from Apple, consider it a christmas present anyways. Here it is. Merry Christmas! =)
So I couldn't this one out. And googling didn't help much either.
The babelfish tells me that cadeau means gift in french. But it couldn't translate "Buon Natale a tutti voi Edo" into English. Translating from Italian, and the fish tells me it means: "Good NATO them to all you Edo", which evidently is a suggestion that we bring the Japanese into NATO. Which is interesting, as just yesterday I heard a report that with the North Korean situation and everything, the Japanese are once again considering their needs for their own defense.
But what does that have to do with Ogg?
And, worldwide, irony calculation machines simultaneously burst into flames.
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Inventor of the term 'pardon my French'.
Do you think it is a slow news day when a story about some guy installing a codec in os x to get ogg working makes it to the front page of slashdot?
.ogg plays you
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You're a pedophile who can't even pronounce linux. You fag fag
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Wait, a Jewish guy born in the middle east has middle eastern, Jewish features? Well shit on my little redneck white supremicist ideals, who would have thunk it?!
God looks a little like Alanis Morrisette!
A CANUCKIAN!
WTF is that supposed to mean? Supposedly? Is there some doubt that ogg-vorbis is patent free?
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Is a nice simple mp3 to ogg converter for windows.
Anyone got any ideas?
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
Ok, I am confused, what is OGG? Silly question, I realize.
Is this real or not real? I am a windows user with a mac Ipod (I don't have the cash to trade up) and I want to be able to use .ogg so badly on my ipod. If this is infact true than I would bet that very soon there is going to be a firmware update for the Ipod supporting the .ogg format. This means 4000 songs in my pocket (on the 10gb model) which makes me a very happy panda.
If this isn't true than may I sugest firebombing whomever posted this story?
And you're a troll who cant even spell pedophile. You fag fag
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Time to download "Rock and Roll Volume 2" to celebrate!
Brilliant! Is there a p2p prog that is made for sharing OGG, or what is a good way to begin finding them? Thanks for the help! (Doesnt something like this mess up plans of Pallidum, and other various ways of ensuring copyright compliance?)
There is no iTunes update that adds OGG support. This is why the original reporter things there is: 1. He installed an open source OGG component for QuickTime. iTunes uses QuickTime for playback. 2. He installed the iTunes 3.0.1 update, which keeps reappearing in the Software Update panel on non-U.S. localizations. 3. He thought the new (=old) iTunes update added OGG support when it was actually the QT component that did it; and the iTunes update didn't actually do anything, since it is an old update that the update server is pushing as a new one.
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You have never seen a Star Wars movie?!?! I am sorry this is off topic, but please, do yourself a favor and give yourself, or at least your kids a great christmas present and check out the pentology.
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Though it was a week before I installed Linux on my iBook.
Unlike winshit however, OS X and 9 still have places on my hard disk. For Warcraft 3 and Quake 3 respectively.
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Lets all thank timothy for posting something he thought was cool but had no earthly idea if it was true or not. Come on, not even a url? At least correct the headline or something. Weaksauce.
is that someone at apple might just read this and see that there is a demand for ogg support and release an update.
if you want ogg support for the ipod say so here, why you want it, if you'd be prepared to pay for it and what advantages it could give to apple (such as royalty free codecs, etc.)
apple are currently touting an mpeg based quicktime to the world and dog, for which they need to pay a royalty per copy. so stand up and be counted. if you really want it, should it from the rooftops (or alternatively, type it on your keyboard and click on submit).
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1. open up submit story.
2. mention macs, mentioning that you're a new convert is a good way of doing this.
3. mention ogg.
4. mention 'new update', don't bother to mention WHERE you did get this 'update' or what you were smoking.
5. PRO.. err. dunno, slash fame. put some pron on your journal, maybe somebody reads it.
slashdot xmas math: ogg + mac + update - sense = INTRESTING.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
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This article is a bit mistaken. The most recent software update offered by Apple is the the OS X 10.2.3 Update on 2002-12-19. This is information directly from the Apple website.
.mpg, .mov, .wav, even .avi and .ogg files with the proper codec will play back in iTunes if they are added to a playlist. I have a couple movie trailers thrown into my playlist...they play back just like audio only tracks. This post is the case of someone feeling clever for discovering a feature in his software.
What the poster discovered is that iTunes uses quicktime to decode MP3s. That's no secret. iTunes can actually play back anything that quicktime can read, so
What would be news is if the iPod's more hardware based decoding gained support for more formats. That is the one that Apple has announced no development for.
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Apple innovation: the "two finger salute"
Although it sounds like this acticle as actually bunk, if iPod supported ogg, they'd pick me up as a customer pretty damn fast.
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It's kinda like the witch scene in The Holy Grail...she weighs more than a duck...so therefore...............A WITCH! A WITCH! A WITCH! A WITCH!
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I've written apple recently (from their Feedback page) to please support OGG-ripping in iTunes and playback on the iPod. Just for no reason except it would be NEAT.
.. a man can dream though).
You got my hopes up!!
Well, playback with a quicktime codec is cool and all, but if you want to see native OGG support, hit that feedback page and beg for it!!!
(Also beg them for a version of iTunes that runs on Linux, ha ha, that'll be the day
funny that you choose the analogy "That's like switching from a BMW or a Mercedes to a horse-drawn cart without the horse. " considering that free software IS the horse for OS X.
This works, it's true. If the file isn't an mp3 or an AIFF or some other format that it recognizes itself, it falls through and relies on Quicktime to play the file. It's a bit of a hack.. There are of course a couple caveats. First, understand that you can't encode into OGG format from iTunes. Secondly, the sound data isn't analyzed and passed onto the visual plugins, so your visuals won't work in Quicktime mode. You probably don't care about that though...
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Actually, my name is just "Edo". Short for er... nothing.
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...and it sounds better than itunes to boot. ogg files work just fine in audion out of the box and visualizations actually work.
couple that with the fact that you can create a playlist with folders and you've got yourself an itunes killer.
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Sorry folks as someone cleverly put it... I'm on crack (or should I say christmas food overdose ;-) /. hordes! ;-)...
I'm quite ashamed of myself, apparently Macs induce an automatic mental regression in whoever uses them. So, here's how it goes: this morning the updater boasts a new download for iTunes (3.0.1) and having done the 10.2.3 just yesterday I expected it to be a new one (it isn't, after two shots it's still there the darn thing... a bug) Then I proceeded to my heap of *.ogg files taken from my linux box hoping for some way to batch process them back to mp3 and the thing worked! Ha, bitten by the old temporal sequentialityvs. caulaity brain hack, I've made a glorious fool of myself before the
Actually I did post an email begging to trash the post but nobody did anything about it (after all it's cristmas... peaople do have a family
Bye, bye... karma
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Ogg support would mean out-of-the-box import and export support in Ogg format. And that is still missing from iTunes as far as I can tell.
Yeah, 'cause Steve Jobs thinks it's too confusing to have a three-fingered salute. (Read: People are too stupid.)
(For the record, every Mac I own has at least a three button + wheel mouse. I wouldn't have it any other way.)
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... 'ogg to drink at Christmas...
If this story had been about any other media player than iTunes it would not have been posted.
Apple does not support the Ogg Vorbis format in iTunes. There is a QuickTime component available that will enable you to play Vorbis files in iTunes, but due to it being a QuickTime hack (as opposed to format support within the application itself), certain things do not work as expected, and OS X will not properly associate Ogg Vorbis files as 'iTunes-compatible.'
So, there's the straight dope. I'm sorry if people are confused and irritated about this; We didn't submit this story.
If you do need help playing Vorbis files, please drop in on #vorbis on irc.xiph.org; Our crack team of off-topic ranters and audio illuminati are standing by 24/7, even during this busy holiday season. :)
As a side note, we're hacking like crazy this week! Want to help out? Stop by the IRC server and join #xiphtech for a quick run-down. Thanks!
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So fuck you!
The reason being - as someone stated earlier - who knows about this thing really being patent free - sorta like the whole .gif thing with IBM/Unisys........im not saying its not - but who knows and apple probably isnt willing to do all the legal work just to find out that it could be held accountable for something so they just wasted money having their lawyers do the leg work not only that - it is probably not what apple wants - another buzz word for "normal people" not to understand. I do wonder where the ogg quicktime componet came from tho'
7. Profit!
...we get quicktime codecs for Windows Media player!
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
A quick look at their contact page at http://www.apple.com/contact suggests a few possibilities, such as their Apple.com feedback page or sending email to their Quicktime Feedback address, quicktime@apple.com. Or both. Perhaps there's a better way, hopefully someone here will post it.
Whining would be worthless. Polite letters asking Apple to please support Ogg Vorbis across their product line (especially product A, B, and C) would probably be read. If you currently use their product (and would pay for an upgrade that supported Ogg Vorbis), or have decided to NOT buy one of their products because it doesn't support Ogg Vorbis, say so - that will be more likely to get their attention.
I've already let Apple know. If you want Apple to support Ogg Vorbis, you should too.
- David A. Wheeler (see my Secure Programming HOWTO)
I've seen this question raised a number of times. Why do you want to do this? As stated in other posts, you can't increase the quality by doing this (It's the "you can't get blood from a rock" principle). Is it because you prefer a certain player that doesn't support MP3?
Personally I had the opposite problem. I enjoy using MPG321 as a jukebox, and had 90% mp3s in my collection, 10% ogg. Naturally I wanted a single interface to the whole collection, so I hacked mpg321 to play (and randomize) ogg as well as MP3. Finding (or hacking) a player that treats both formats equally gives you the advantages the conversion you propose without the quality loss.
Just take one of the many LAME mp3 scripts for iTunes and edit it to use the OGG encoder instead! It launches the terminal, but I like the LAME codec more than the Fraunhoffer one, so I deal.
Its built by www.portalplayer.com , its about time we got the respect and honor of having put many long hours into building this product.
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I thought that iPod decoded MP3 via a hardware DSP and I haven't heard anything about it being flash-upgradeable. All the Apple iPod updates just add some bootstrap code onto the HFS+ partition so far AFAIK. Even if they do flash bits of the iPod, there's no info from the DSP chip manufacturers to suggest it would be possible to reprogram it to handle OGG files, so all current iPods wouldn't be of use anyway. I can't be arsed having to convert over to OGG anyway - I've got plenty of disk space (over 800GB) so I use high bit rates anyway.
your lame ass story doesn't cut it. the iPod can't play oggs, the way you guys hype stuff is insane.
Yeah right, cause they couldn't play the .ogg's on their Linux system aready. That's about the only form of entertainment Linux has to offer. (BIG overstatement, I know.)
.ogg support. xmms AND winamp has had it the past year now.
.ogg support. But hell no if I'd switch. I keep a dualboot for the games!
People keep their x86 and Win32 warez for the games. Games, games, games. That's what the x86 has to offer. (Well, that and cheaper hardware...) Some great x86 games come to the Mac. Most don't.
What you're more likely to see is people moving to the consoles. Cause they're tired of dicking around in the registry, "finetuning" their system.
Like I give a rats ass if some software finally got
I'll buy the iPod hardware when it gets
One day I happened to plug the iPod into the actual charger, rather than my G4. Ever since, the battery has been working flawlessly. I have no idea if the charger really works differently or not, but it certainly seemed to.
Don't know if it's what the poster was originally talking about, but this went past the pages of freshmeat's new OS X section mentioned on /. a few days ago.
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what WAS i smoking?
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