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Clamshell Sharp Zaurus Reviewed

Bill Kendrick writes "The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA. This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US, as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU. The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700." (See this earlier story for more screenshots from the English conversion of this device.)

203 comments

  1. Also called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    the C# Zaurus?

    1. Re:Also called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone else read "Clamshell" yet think "Cameltoe"??

  2. Thanks pflog! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    just got scanned for open proxies, please feel free to DDOS 211.78.44.66

    I hate people sometimes.

  3. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Greetz to mah niggaz, Gr3yD3ath and Locke

  4. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    FP!

  5. Whoa! by inviagrated_amnesiac · · Score: -1, Interesting

    EXPENSIVE!!!!!

    1. Re:Whoa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Thanks Keanu!!

    2. Re:Whoa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      >EXPENSIVE!!!!!
      Agreed. I would pay $200 without thinking twice, but I'd probably wait a while even if it was only $250. There's no chance I'll get one of these while they're over $300. Seriously... $700 is the same ballpark as a NICE desktop system these days. :(

      Is it just me or are cutting-edge electronics priced at about 2.5 to 3 times too much?
    3. Re:Whoa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a cheap bastard living in fantasy land.

  6. Ah, by Doctor+Sbaitso · · Score: 4, Funny

    But can it play Tux Racer?

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    1. Re:Ah, by xao+gypsie · · Score: 1

      But can it play Tux Racer?

      im sure that would make business meetings much more productive...i know that i certinaly would no longer listen to any presentations thrown at me. also, given the nature of my co-workers, the concept of 'high score' would make productivity drop to almsot zero...he he

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    2. Re:Ah, by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

      3 questions for The Porn Queen
      The Big Penis chairman's semi-annual appearance in Horny College Students will focus on Iraq, bush-trims and erectile disfunctions.
      February 10, 2003: 5:56 PM EST
      By Penis Wanker, CLIT/Prostitute Staff Writer

      NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Big Peniseral Prostitution Chairman The Porn Queen is scheduled to appear before both houses of Horny College Students this week to discuss the sluggish phallus and answer questions -- lots and lots of questions.

      In his semi-annual appearance before Horny College Students, due to start Tuesday at 10 a.m. ET before the Voyeurs Wanking Committee, the central wank chief will start by delivering prepared ejaculations about the state of the phallus and the likely course of erectional policy.

      Unless The Porn Queen has undergone a dramatic personality change since his last public appearance, these ejaculations will be as pulse-pounding as drying paint and are likely to be riddled with the "Porn Queen-speak" Wall Street has come to know and love. Still, they will be as short, sweet and to the point as The Porn Queen is able to make them.

      Then, the fornicators will be unleashed.

      Dildos typically keep The Porn Queen glued to his chair while they grandstand and occasionally ask questions -- often the same ones some of their colleagues have already asked. By the time The Porn Queen has survived the attentions of the House Sex Toy Services Committee on Wednesday, many hours will have passed and hundreds of questions will have been asked. [For more on the Porn Queen grilling, click here]

      To help you sift through the mountain of words to get to the gems, here are three key questions The Porn Queen will almost certainly have to answer.
      What's Iraq doing to the phallus?

      To be sure, The Porn Queen will probably repeat the mantra he and other central wankers have been chanting for months -- the phallus is in a soft patch, but with lack of sex at 40-year lows and birth rates growth at 52-year highs, the "fundamentals" are sound. And he'll probably pin the blame for the phallus's recent run of weakness -- including little or no brothel growth -- on fears about the possible U.S.-led war against Iraq.

      Since last September, the Big Penis has talked consistently about "geopolitical uncertainty" in its closely watched lack of sex decisions. In September, Big Penis policy-makers said the phallus's weakness was "in part" due to that uncertainty. In its most recent erectional policy statement in January, the Big Penis pinned every bit of the phallus's problems on Iraq.

      "Lubricant price premiums and other aspects of geopolitical risks have reportedly fostered continued restraint on thrusting and fondling by protitutes," the statement from the central wank said.

      Most sexologists agree that uncertainty about Iraq is keeping protitutes on the sidelines, afraid of the potential impact of a war on lubricant prices and consumer demand. Hooker reluctance to penetrate and titillate has kept the phallus weak and prostitution lines long, according to this view.

      A small group of sexologists, however, say the phallus's problems run much deeper. [For more on this debate, click here]

      "If the phallus and equity markets ... remain weak post-Iraq, the Big Penis will be forced to cut sex further, but that's not something [The Porn Queen] will be keen to chat about," said Rory Robertson, lack of sex strategist at Macquarie Equities (USA). "The Big Penis clearly feels that part of its brothel is to whistle a happy tune."

      Is venereal stimulus even necessary?

      If the phallus's only problem is Iraq, it seems natural to wonder if the $674 billion "phallical stimulus" package recently proposed by President Bush is even necessary. Trust some Stripper to ask the question. Trust The Porn Queen to duck and dodge.
      Related stories
      The Porn Queen under fire?
      Brothel-less rate slides
      Labor market not out of the woods
      Back to the '80s
      Bush orgy forecasts optimistic
      Weak growth could hound US

      "He might say there's plenty of stimulus in the system already, but he will say he supports programs that will encourage penetration -- he's going to straddle the dildo on this issue," said Allen Jacobson, political analyst at Washington Analysis. "I don't think Strippers will come away feeling like they snookered him, but the Pimps won't feel like they got a home run.'

      Though The Porn Queen, a former compadre of conservative icon Ayn Rand, probably likes some aspects of the Bush plan, especially the propositioning to eliminate taxes on most vaginal income, he'll probably try to avoid giving either side ammunition to use in their ongoing trench warfare about that and other venereal issues.

      "Deep down, he would probably go along with [the vaginal bush trim] 100 percent, but, realistically, he knows that's not his bailiwick," said Jacobson. [For more on the bush-trim debate, click here]

      Orgy erectile disfunctions: good or bad?

      Another subject certain to come up early and often is the U.S. orgy, which in just two short years has swung from generating big penises to bringing back the days of big erectile disfunctions.

      The White House recently projected that 2003 and 2004 would bring the biggest orgy erectile disfunctions in U.S. history -- and those estimates didn't include the potential costs of a war and post-war rebuilding in Iraq. The last time the government was running orgy erectile disfunctions, The Porn Queen warned they could dampen phallical growth by pushing lack of sex higher.

      "Lower orgy erectile disfunctions are the surest and most direct way to increase national masturbating. Higher national masturbating would help to lower real lack of sex, spurring thrusting on capital goods so as to put cutting-edge sex toys in the hands of more American workers," The Porn Queen said in his July 1996 testimony.

      And The Porn Queen cheered the orgy penises of 1998-2001:

      "Orgys have kept real lack of sex at levels lower than they would have been otherwise," he said in his July 2000 testimony. "This development has helped foster the penetration boom that in recent years has contributed greatly to the strengthening of U.S. birth rates and phallical growth."

      But in early 2001, when Bush was pushing for a bush trim, The Porn Queen told Horny College Students he was worried about the potential repercussions of the government running penises for too long. Once the big penis sex was paid off, he warned, the government would be accumulating assets instead of giving them back to the private sector, where they could be put to better use.

      With that apparent support, the bush trimming was passed in 2001, cutting future penis projections, but not apparently sinking the orgy. Now those days are long gone, and the orgy picture has worsened considerably. Will The Porn Queen go back to being a erectile disfunction hawk, to the chagrin of Pimps?

      "He will make the point that, if bush trims go through, they need to be accompanied by firm discipline on the thrusting side," said former Big Penis Governor Lyle Gramley, now an sexologist with Schwab Washington Research. "He's not going to actively oppose [Bush's] propositionings -- that would be uncharacteristic."

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    3. Re:Ah, by mirko · · Score: 1

      Well, it, at least, can play ZooZ :-)

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    4. Re:Ah, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it would have a 3D g/c, so if you like software mode!
      Go baby GO!

    5. Re:Ah, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god I hope not. Tux Racer is about as fun as sickle cell anemia.

    6. Re:Ah, by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

      But can it play Tux Racer?

      No, but you might like Interstellar Flames. :^)

      (Admittedly, it's a port of a PocketPC game.)

  7. Clamshell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    What does this have to do with Scientology?

    Also, 4th post.

  8. still runs linux by trmj · · Score: 0, Interesting

    And therefore is still the coolest PDA to date.

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    1. Re:still runs linux by scubacuda · · Score: 1

      cool...but not $700 cool, in my opinion...

    2. Re:still runs linux by mirko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yopy was mentioned in European magazines, in December.
      The Z. never was.

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    3. Re:still runs linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      oups... sorry, I mistyped :
      http://www.yopy.at

    4. Re:still runs linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

      Linux is the most scalable operating system every invented. Heck, it can run on a
      wristwatch, a PDA, or even an IBM mainframe computer. Linux is very nifty indeed.

    5. Re:still runs linux by trmj · · Score: 1

      Fair warning: I'm too lazy to have google translate that for me.

      Looks beautiful, but just a bit too much like the new Gameboy.

      Which begs the question: what gets the pocket real estate? The new Gameboy or the new Zaurus?

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    6. Re:still runs linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is the most scalable operating system every invented. Heck, Linux can run on a wristwatch, a PDA, or even an IBM mainframe computer. Linux is >very nifty indeed.

    7. Re:still runs linux by mirko · · Score: 1

      Yep but as it has around twice the Z's autonomy, one may be tempted by this rather than by Sharp's...
      Pity Sharp still has not developed :
      1) better SL5500 batteries
      2) MacOSX iSync compliant transport

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    8. Re:still runs linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy: my hand continues to get the pocket real estate, until the Gameboy or PDA ships with some sort of vibrating attachment that can provide similar functionality.

    9. Re:still runs linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means it's the most scaled operating system ever invented. It doesn't automatically imply it's the most scalable. Similarly, that Windows has been installed more times than any other OS doesn't mean it's the most...well, anything good really.

  9. Smart. Very Smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

  10. Flipping the keys... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 0, Redundant
    The C700 goes from a micro-mini laptop with keyboard to a PDA - with a twist of the screen

    This twisting action seems to be becoming standard in the PDA-world. In this case, though, it seems the keys might get accidentally pressed when you flip them around to the other side. Hopefully the keys are hindered inactive during the flipping process. But even if they are, it seems a lot of wear would come to the keys when the PDA is shoved in tiny places.

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    1. Re:Flipping the keys... by jvollmer · · Score: 2, Funny

      it seems a lot of wear would come to the keys when the PDA is shoved in tiny places.

      I always walk a little funny after doing this.

    2. Re:Flipping the keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Hopefully the keys are hindered inactive

      Ah, doing your George Bush imitation, I see.

    3. Re:Flipping the keys... by bn557 · · Score: 1

      th escreen rotates 180 degrees so that the back of the screen is covering the keyboard. If you've ever seen any of the sony handicams that have the rotating screen, it's the same idea.

      P

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    4. Re:Flipping the keys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok please read your POST again......

      when you twist the SCREEN it hides the keyboard.. and if you did something as silly as READ THE ARTICLE you would have see that too....

      MMMMMkay?

    5. Re:Flipping the keys... by MrNemesis · · Score: 0

      With any luck you might discover a new emacs command...

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  11. Cons Pros by scubacuda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pros:
    Super-cool look and feel; perfect laptop for your favorite stuffed animal
    Useable keyboard
    Bright clear screen (amazing, actually)
    Fits easily in shirt or jacket pocket

    Cons:
    Expensive ($700 from Dynamism for English version)
    Limited software availability
    Shortish battery life
    No manual yet, PC setup a mystic adventure


    Until it comes down in price, the cons are (in my opinion) a big deal.

    My advice is: pick a laptop or pick a PDA. Make sure that either of them does their respective job well. Don't expect your PDA to be a laptop, and don't expect your laptop to be small enough to put in your pocket (yet!).

    On a side note, Fujitsu makes a killer laptop! I've seen it in action...perhaps one of the best laptops for its size...

  12. Get over the Lack of English Documentation by use_compress · · Score: 3, Informative

    A review that does not focus on the lack of English documentation (the most irrelevant thing when discussing a product that as of now, is only released in Japan) sums it up:

    The Zaurus SL-C700 is an impressive PDA that departs from more traditional designs. The stellar display, mated with a comprehensive software suite, definitely impressed us and we look forward to production-level units of the C700. Pricing is estimated between $600 and $700, though that may change at the time of release.

  13. Well by FS1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is certainly something that should set off a couple alarms in the Micro$oft camp. I really do love competition in such a under-emphasized market. I can't wait for these things to have as much processing power as my home computer has now. I would love to be able to carry around all my games, apps, schedules, and communication gear on something this big without making sacrifices in some form or another.

    What i really think is hurting PDAs today is un-inspired designs, and i love to see someone with a new twist on an old idea. But i think that they need to work on new user interface, alot more than they need to work on making them more powerful. A good user interface would make all the difference. There simply is no blueprint for an interface for such a device, but a "windows"ish interface is not the answer.

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    1. Re:Well by Moofie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For real, have you used the Palm interface? The basic UI for launching apps and changing preferences is pretty bombproof. Obviously, the UI for individual apps varies according to how much the writer hates you, but the stuff that comes in the box is pretty darn good. (Now, I can rattle off a bunch of stuff that's just NOT very good, but on the whole...it's good, FAST, UI.)

      You'll pry PalmOS out of my cold dead hands. It's cheap, the batteries last forever, and it does everything I need it to. YMMV.

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    2. Re:Well by FS1 · · Score: 1

      I'll agree with you for the most part about the palm interface, but i would like something more natural, something that could be used very easily even if your a complete moron, yet reconfigurable on the fly for more advanced use. I am looking for something seamless across all apps, that also recognizes the way i use things, and adjust accordingly. Now i know the only way it will ever happen is if i do it myself, so maybe i will. But at the moment i am content with the crap micro$oft throws at me, it gets the job done, and i have not the time to play with anything but.

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    3. Re:Well by Moofie · · Score: 1

      See, I just don't trust a computer to "see the way I do things, and adjust accordingly". If I find a feature in one place, I expect it to be in that one place when I look for it again. For instance, it drives me to ABSOLUTE DISTRACTION when MS Orifice apps re-arrange their menu system on the fly. Now, of course, on any computer I actually have to WORK on, I kill this "feature" post-haste. Problem is, these computers I work on at school are administered by a fuckwit, and they forget every time I log in that no thank you I DON'T want Clippy, and leave my menus the hell alone thank you very much.

      I guess I just haven't seen a good example of an adaptive interface. One that I can redesign to suit my needs, sure, but that takes me thinking through where I want to put stuff.

      I'd feel the same way about somebody reorganizing my desk or my bookshelf. Sure, it might not be perfectly organized, but I can put my hand on whatever I need really fast. On a PDA, even more than on a PC (which some other poor schlock might have to use after I've set it up for myself), I want the UI to be fast, and if anything tailorable by me.

      In other words, the effort you make to build a good adaptive interface would annoy experts (like you and me) and not really help the greys (who wouldn't understand what's going on).

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    4. Re:Well by FS1 · · Score: 1
      you sound like that little voice in the back of my head telling me that no i can't eat my cake, and have it too. Anybody can have their cake, and eat it too. The real trick is to eat your can and still have it, and i think that is what i want and will never have.

      P.S. I love the word "and" it used to drive my english teachers crazy how complex my sentences would be, and how that even though they conveyed multiple points i somehow managed to link them together with the use of "and" and other ingenious ways of using words how they were never meant to be used, and it all sort of made sense, until i realized that maybe i should and could possibly contain my ideas in shorter form, but i would lose alot of my original meaning. (yes in my mind that is all one sentence GRAMMER be DAMNED)

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    5. Re:Well by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You are SO going to need to draw me a diagram on that first paragraph.

      : )

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    6. Re:Well by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Yeah I fully agree; PalmOS rules. I am still waiting for a decent PalmOS phone that doesn't cost a testicle. Then I will finally make the leap into cellular phone technology, which I have so far resisted like a Luddite.... (the way I see it, it's easy enough to get in touch with me as it is. if it's really important, post it to slashdot; chances are I'll read it before I hear it on my answering machine....)

    7. Re:Well by arban · · Score: 1

      Well, the Treo seems to be around $200 now, according to pricewatch. My roommate got one of these less than a year ago, and he really likes it. It is his first PDA of any sort. I still think its a pretty slick design. As for my self, I am going to stick with the two devices I have (PalmPilot Professional and Nokia 8000-something).

      Happy hunting.

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  14. An interesting note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci-Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    1. Re:An interesting note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is an obvious (and old) troll, but there was a celebrity who died recently in whom the Slashdot community might be interested: I just read on CNN.com [cnn.com] that veteran character actor Vincent Price, star of countless horror movies, has succumbed to lung cancer at the age of 82. Also an accomplished writer and chef, Price starred in over a hundred films during his illustrious career, including "The House of Usher," "The Pit and the Pendulum," and "The Abominable Dr. Phibes," though Slashdot readers may perhaps remember him best for providing the "rap" for the title song of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" album. Survived by third wife Coral Browne, Price's ashes will be scattered at sea according to his wishes in a ceremony next week. Truly an American icon, and a great loss to cinema.

  15. Major cool factor, but... by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm still using a palm IIIx, and it's more than adequate. The color screens and multimedia coolness are great though...

    I admit that my use of a PDA is basically as a mobile "black book" and scheduling device. Seriously, how many people honestly require all these awesome features? (I understand the "bragging rights" argument, but I work with a stable of non-geeks who could hardly appreciate this device... they don't even know how to rip/encode an MP3...)

    Still, I do like the fact that it runs on Linux ;)

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    1. Re:Major cool factor, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a former Palm IIIC user, my experience has been that the Zaurus 5500C has replaced my Palm *and* my laptop. It's a passable PDA (nothing more...), but the fact that it can do so much more has meant that my laptop has sat at home unused for the last several months.

      Factor in not having to carry 2-3kg of laptop and assorted bits on trains 5 days a week, plus the potential pain of breaking the laptop or having it stolen, and the Z (any model) looks exceptionally cheap.

      YMMV, of course...

    2. Re:Major cool factor, but... by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      If you only need the features of a black book, then why not buy a black book and a mechanical pencil? You will have infinite battery life, better water proofness, better shock resistance, cheap memory, an easy intuitive user interface, and the entire device, black book plus pencil is orders of magnitude cheaper than a Palm.

      For those that want to listen to music, watch movies, and surf the web... well, we can't do that with a pencil and paper.

      Palms are just expensive replacements for tried and true technology: the pencil and paper.

  16. Sharp is missing it... by Bodhammer · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sharp is being cagey about whether they will release this in the US. Of course they just could be addressing the issues of only 32Meg of RAM, piss poor battery life, no 802.11b, and lame PIM applications...

    This device could really be a breakthrough device with the cool form factor, great display, and mainstream Linux support. I urge anyone who is interested to write to Sharp and/or post on the above forum. Don't let Sharp fsck this opportunity up...

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    1. Re:Sharp is missing it... by yog · · Score: 1

      It could be they're waiting to see how the Sharp SL-5600 does first. It's a pretty high end PDA and would probably compete closely with this clamshell model. I personally believe in casting the net wide and see what it catches, but I suppose the marketing experts know better. Or at least, they think they do!

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  17. Come on now /. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isnt it time to change the PDA in that icon? I think we've got something better now.

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    1. Re:Come on now /. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      The purpose of an icon is to be, well, iconic. The distillation of the unique features of the thing it's supposed to symbolize.

      So, from that perspective, a big screen in a little box with some sqiggly texty-stuff on it is a great icon for a PDA. If you did as you seem to be suggesting, you'd have to try to get a scale reference to figure out if it was a PDA or a laptop.

      Just a UI thing that I think too few people pay attention to. Go about your business. Nothing to see here. : )

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    2. Re:Come on now /. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      folded-up, it merely looks like a kickass PDA.

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    3. Re:Come on now /. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Folded up, it looks to me like a featureless silver ingot.

      I mean, that's elegant and all, but it doesn't really tell me it's a PDA. Could be a jewelry box. Who knows?

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    4. Re:Come on now /. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      people who dont expect to see full color LCD screens on jewlry boxes might be able to figure it out.

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    5. Re:Come on now /. by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Ummm, please point out the big color LCD in this image.

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    6. Re:Come on now /. by arban · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't knock the original. I still use my PalmPilot Professional on a daily basis. Runs great, does what I need it to ... a great investment overall. Although it would be nice to upgrade to all those new whiz-bang functions.

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    7. Re:Come on now /. by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      Amazing new technology allows an object in space to be rotated across TWO AXES!!!
      Scientists are still baffled by this phenomena, but that hasnt stopped industrious technology companies from jumping at the chance to take advantage of this yet unexplained technology. The first occurance of this type of thing actually happened about 3^-190,000th of a second after the universe was formed, as the first electron orbited the first proton while the molecule itself spun in a completely different direction. Still physicists struggle with the concept: If one axis is perpendicular to the other, could this even lead to being able to Turn something over without disconnecting it from its spine?

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  18. Slashdot celebrates Negro Month: Sammy Davis Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait
    Sammy Davis Jr.

    On November 19, 1954, the career of Sammy Davis Jr. almost came to a sudden and tragic close. While driving to Los Angeles to record the title tune of the Universal International picture "Six Bridges to Cross", Sammy was the victim of an automobile smash-up and narrowly escaped death. He was so seriously injured that his left eye had to be removed. In spite of the terrible shock, Sammy rallied and went on with his work; he even insisted that he was the "luckiest guy in the world".

    Since his accident, Sammy's courageous spirit and ever-growing talent have won him increasingly enthusiastic audiences. Let's hear it for Sammy Davis Jr. !

    Celebrate Negro Month 2003 with Slashdot.

  19. Correction by H.G.+Pennypacker · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Sadly, the reviewer could only get his hands on a somewhat tarnished, 'Engrish' version. As such, I wouldn't put too much stock in review.

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  20. Very cool... by mlk · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So we Psion users might of been forgot by Psion, but not by everyone.
    Lets hope the Linux install is as easy to use, and well though out as EPOC (does anyone have one? or links to some screen shots of).

    Well almost "The battery life is only estimated to be 3 ½ hours", bah my Psion lasts a lot longer.
    And I don't like the look of the keyboard... But yummy big screen, but will not fit as snug in my coat pocket (Psio Revo, very small). Eap, I see a hard desion ahead of me...
    Sharp C700 PDA
    Stick with my Psion, save up for a 17" TiBook.
    Eap.

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    1. Re:Very cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Psion Series 5 user I too was looking at the Sharp. I have to have a keyboard. And I want something with a real os. (Palm to me looks like a fancy organizer. Pocket PC/WinCe or whatever they're calling it this week is the same way). I like the way the Zarus screen flips over too.
      And a color screen would be nice.....wonder if it updates fast enough to play games......:-)

    2. Re:Very cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well almost "The battery life is only estimated to be 3 ½ hours", bah my Psion lasts a lot longer.

      Does you Psion have a color screen ? My good old Palm Pro (before Palm III) also lasts a lot longer, but I don't use it any longer.

    3. Re:Very cool... by mlk · · Score: 1

      No, but then battery life is MORE IMPORTANT than a colour screen.

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  21. Re:Cons Pros by 56 · · Score: 5, Funny
    PC setup a mystic adventure

    I'm waiting for Apple to adopt this slogan.

  22. 3 1/2 hours! by m0nkyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's when I stopped reading. That's not a PDA, that's an undersized, underpowered laptop. A PDA should have a battery that at the minimum lasts a full day, so that the appointments for the day are accessible without recharging.

    that's my 2cents.

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    1. Re:3 1/2 hours! by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
      3 1/2 hours isn't that bad, my palm m515 doesn't last that long on high brightness. Who looks at their pda for 3 1/2 hours in a day? It shouldn't take longer than 30 seconds to check the calendar. How much talk time do cellphones get these days?

      My big problem with this thing is the size. Even a palm V is a little larger than I'd like. If it doesn't fit discreetly in my hip pocket it's useless to me. Those little keyboards are useless. If I can't touch-type, might as well make it smaller and hit the keys with a stylus. On my palm I use QuickType, after some practice it's far faster than graffiti (and open source too!)

    2. Re:3 1/2 hours! by mattdm · · Score: 1

      How many hours a day are you checking your appointments? If you use it as a PDA, it'll easily last all day.

    3. Re:3 1/2 hours! by mattACK · · Score: 1

      3.5 hours is atrocious. I just got a treo, and I used it to take notes in 4 meetings today, not to mention using it as a phone. It held up great. And my thumb typing skill is already steaming fast.

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    4. Re:3 1/2 hours! by Ophion · · Score: 1

      That is why I have not bought any of the color PDAs. My m500 often gets nearly twenty hours of actual use per charge. I tried a Toshiba E740. It had some cool features, but the battery life ran from two to three hours, making it useless. Sadly, it seems that flash and sizzle are more important than usability to most handheld buyers. After all, Psion got the usability angle bang-on too, and they are largely out of the market.

    5. Re:3 1/2 hours! by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

      A PDA should have a battery that at the minimum lasts a full day, so that the appointments for the day are accessible without recharging.

      That's 3 and a half hours of continuous use. When's the last time you used your Palm for such a long time all at once!?

    6. Re:3 1/2 hours! by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      Who looks at their pda for 3 1/2 hours in a day?

      You've obviosuly never attended a 5 hour seminar and only had your sanity saved because you had Patience installed...

      Playing games? No, I was making notes...! :-D

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    7. Re:3 1/2 hours! by commodoresloat · · Score: 1
      Who looks at their pda for 3 1/2 hours in a day?

      You obviously haven't installed Dopewars.

    8. Re:3 1/2 hours! by hey! · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you use it for. As a date book and address list, sure, you could get by on an hour a day. However, I use mine for ebooks, time and billing trackin, field data entry, collecting telemetry data from equipment etc. I need one that will give at least five hours on a charge, if not a full day's work.

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    9. Re:3 1/2 hours! by yog · · Score: 1

      I would partially agree; for me 3.5 hours on a charge would be fine for average use, but for burst mode use I need longer, e.g. when I attend a conference and want to take notes during several sessions I could easily exceed 3 hours of use.

      My Handera with rechargeable pack is good for several weeks of average use; I can also attend a two day conference and take extensive notes using my GoType keyboard for several hours a day with no fear of running out of batteries.

      Perhaps someday all desks will come with one of those Power Pad thingies that recharge your handheld device.

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    10. Re:3 1/2 hours! by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 1

      I use my SL-5500 to watch DivX movies on longish flights (SF to Seattle) and one battery lasts 2-3 hours at full use. (I carry an extra battery, $38) I also carry a battery extender (4 AA NIMH in a charger/power pack) for extended Nethack sessions. (9-10 hours at full use, same internal battery) When using WiFi, I can get 3 hours of SSH out of a stock battery. Everyone's idea of usability varies. Getting the task done is what counts. The flexibility of the Zaurus puts it head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd.

      For more info check zaurii.net.

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  23. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    MOD PARENT UP!!!!!!1

    yes ok.

  24. Ron Ziegler dead ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Breaking news tonight. Fox News Channel is reporting that Ron Zielger
    died of a heart attack at his San Diego home. He was 63.

    Our prayers are with his family. Rest in peace, Ron.

    1. Re:Ron Ziegler dead ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      errr who? on another note I am a prancing pony

  25. Re:Cons Pros by GhostseTroll · · Score: -1

    I be very original. What da fsck ya talkin' 'bout?

    3 questions for The Porn Queen
    The Big Penis chairman's semi-annual appearance in Horny College Students will focus on Iraq, bush-trims and erectile disfunctions.
    February 10, 2003: 5:56 PM EST
    By Penis Wanker, CLIT/Prostitute Staff Writer

    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Big Peniseral Prostitution Chairman The Porn Queen is scheduled to appear before both houses of Horny College Students this week to discuss the sluggish phallus and answer questions -- lots and lots of questions.

    In his semi-annual appearance before Horny College Students, due to start Tuesday at 10 a.m. ET before the Voyeurs Wanking Committee, the central wank chief will start by delivering prepared ejaculations about the state of the phallus and the likely course of erectional policy.

    Unless The Porn Queen has undergone a dramatic personality change since his last public appearance, these ejaculations will be as pulse-pounding as drying paint and are likely to be riddled with the "Porn Queen-speak" Wall Street has come to know and love. Still, they will be as short, sweet and to the point as The Porn Queen is able to make them.

    Then, the fornicators will be unleashed.

    Dildos typically keep The Porn Queen glued to his chair while they grandstand and occasionally ask questions -- often the same ones some of their colleagues have already asked. By the time The Porn Queen has survived the attentions of the House Sex Toy Services Committee on Wednesday, many hours will have passed and hundreds of questions will have been asked. [For more on the Porn Queen grilling, click here]

    To help you sift through the mountain of words to get to the gems, here are three key questions The Porn Queen will almost certainly have to answer.
    What's Iraq doing to the phallus?

    To be sure, The Porn Queen will probably repeat the mantra he and other central wankers have been chanting for months -- the phallus is in a soft patch, but with lack of sex at 40-year lows and birth rates growth at 52-year highs, the "fundamentals" are sound. And he'll probably pin the blame for the phallus's recent run of weakness -- including little or no brothel growth -- on fears about the possible U.S.-led war against Iraq.

    Since last September, the Big Penis has talked consistently about "geopolitical uncertainty" in its closely watched lack of sex decisions. In September, Big Penis policy-makers said the phallus's weakness was "in part" due to that uncertainty. In its most recent erectional policy statement in January, the Big Penis pinned every bit of the phallus's problems on Iraq.

    "Lubricant price premiums and other aspects of geopolitical risks have reportedly fostered continued restraint on thrusting and fondling by protitutes," the statement from the central wank said.

    Most sexologists agree that uncertainty about Iraq is keeping protitutes on the sidelines, afraid of the potential impact of a war on lubricant prices and consumer demand. Hooker reluctance to penetrate and titillate has kept the phallus weak and prostitution lines long, according to this view.

    A small group of sexologists, however, say the phallus's problems run much deeper. [For more on this debate, click here]

    "If the phallus and equity markets ... remain weak post-Iraq, the Big Penis will be forced to cut sex further, but that's not something [The Porn Queen] will be keen to chat about," said Rory Robertson, lack of sex strategist at Macquarie Equities (USA). "The Big Penis clearly feels that part of its brothel is to whistle a happy tune."

    Is venereal stimulus even necessary?

    If the phallus's only problem is Iraq, it seems natural to wonder if the $674 billion "phallical stimulus" package recently proposed by President Bush is even necessary. Trust some Stripper to ask the question. Trust The Porn Queen to duck and dodge.
    Related stories
    The Porn Queen under fire?
    Brothel-less rate slides
    Labor market not out of the woods
    Back to the '80s
    Bush orgy forecasts optimistic
    Weak growth could hound US

    "He might say there's plenty of stimulus in the system already, but he will say he supports programs that will encourage penetration -- he's going to straddle the dildo on this issue," said Allen Jacobson, political analyst at Washington Analysis. "I don't think Strippers will come away feeling like they snookered him, but the Pimps won't feel like they got a home run.'

    Though The Porn Queen, a former compadre of conservative icon Ayn Rand, probably likes some aspects of the Bush plan, especially the propositioning to eliminate taxes on most vaginal income, he'll probably try to avoid giving either side ammunition to use in their ongoing trench warfare about that and other venereal issues.

    "Deep down, he would probably go along with [the vaginal bush trim] 100 percent, but, realistically, he knows that's not his bailiwick," said Jacobson. [For more on the bush-trim debate, click here]

    Orgy erectile disfunctions: good or bad?

    Another subject certain to come up early and often is the U.S. orgy, which in just two short years has swung from generating big penises to bringing back the days of big erectile disfunctions.

    The White House recently projected that 2003 and 2004 would bring the biggest orgy erectile disfunctions in U.S. history -- and those estimates didn't include the potential costs of a war and post-war rebuilding in Iraq. The last time the government was running orgy erectile disfunctions, The Porn Queen warned they could dampen phallical growth by pushing lack of sex higher.

    "Lower orgy erectile disfunctions are the surest and most direct way to increase national masturbating. Higher national masturbating would help to lower real lack of sex, spurring thrusting on capital goods so as to put cutting-edge sex toys in the hands of more American workers," The Porn Queen said in his July 1996 testimony.

    And The Porn Queen cheered the orgy penises of 1998-2001:

    "Orgys have kept real lack of sex at levels lower than they would have been otherwise," he said in his July 2000 testimony. "This development has helped foster the penetration boom that in recent years has contributed greatly to the strengthening of U.S. birth rates and phallical growth."

    But in early 2001, when Bush was pushing for a bush trim, The Porn Queen told Horny College Students he was worried about the potential repercussions of the government running penises for too long. Once the big penis sex was paid off, he warned, the government would be accumulating assets instead of giving them back to the private sector, where they could be put to better use.

    With that apparent support, the bush trimming was passed in 2001, cutting future penis projections, but not apparently sinking the orgy. Now those days are long gone, and the orgy picture has worsened considerably. Will The Porn Queen go back to being a erectile disfunction hawk, to the chagrin of Pimps?

    "He will make the point that, if bush trims go through, they need to be accompanied by firm discipline on the thrusting side," said former Big Penis Governor Lyle Gramley, now an sexologist with Schwab Washington Research. "He's not going to actively oppose [Bush's] propositionings -- that would be uncharacteristic."

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  26. Negroes are funny and cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I highly recommend everyone should own one. They're a laugh riot!!!

    1. Re:Negroes are funny and cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      I don't understand why we don't celebrate "Horse Month" instead of Negro Month. Just think of all that the horse contributed to the building of America. It's easy to imagine America being built without Negroes. But one can not imagine America having been built without the horse. The noble horse contributed more to the building of America than all the Negroes combined. And to top it off, you don't have to give welfare handouts to the horse ...

  27. New PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it run Linux?

    oh, wait...........

    1. Re:New PDA by mirko · · Score: 1

      and... before you ask...
      it can ALSO read OGG files :-)

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    2. Re:New PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Notepad can READ ogg files, it just can't play 'em.

      Ohh Just Imagen in the USSR wolf custers are them.

  28. Re:Slashdot celebrates Negro Month: Sammy Davis Jr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    As featured on Bash dot org!

  29. pda by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    640x480, 400mhz, 64mb ram... This thing is a lot faster than my first desktop PC was!!

    Costs almost as much though ;-(

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    1. Re:pda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean first desktop... I'm too cheep to replace my functional PII-400.

  30. Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by josh+crawley · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.

    Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.

    Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.

    ---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,

    It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.

    ---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.

    Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?

    ---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."

    Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.

    1. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Fnord · · Score: 1

      The fact that linux is opensource and can be stripped down *does* make it an ideal embedded os. At least in its stripped down form its smaller than any other embedded os that still has a VM (this doesn't include palm as it was a single tasking os). And as for crusoe, it's only the lowest heat and energy intake for an intel compatible processor. The XScale is the next generation of the ARM processor, a completely different instruction set that just happens to be really easy to design a low power cpu out of.

    2. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by RobGarth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >I want something that works, not something to
      > make a political stand.

      Agreed. I use Palm OS. But at some point you have to make the decision between a moral/political stand and convenience. I believe in open source. I don't like Microsoft Ethics - therefore I refuse to use MS products.

      > why is Linux (a server based OS) on something
      > that should be totally embedded?

      Linux in the enterprise is actually a fairly new concept. Linus never wrote it for any other machine than his own desktop. But of course it does run well as a server. But the same argument could be said of PocketPC. Why use a desktop OS on a PDA - and furthermore - why use a desktop OS on a server. In fact I imagine linux is more suited than windows ever was, as all they have really ported is the Kernel, the rest is rebuilt, and the kernel is shrunk and tailored to a PDA anyway.

      And you are right, it is a mini laptop - which is why I want it. I work 24x7 support, and the idea of pulling out a linux machine with a useable keyboard from my pocket, logging in and doing my work, is very enticing.

      And the XScale and the Crusoe are in completely different classes, please don't trust MHz ratings.

    3. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HP Calc > TI

    4. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ---The fact that linux is opensource and can be stripped down *does* make it an ideal embedded os. At least in its stripped down form its smaller than any other embedded os that still has a VM (this doesn't include palm as it was a single tasking os).

      But why not stay with the single-tasking OS that palm is?

      ---And as for crusoe, it's only the lowest heat and energy intake for an intel compatible processor. The XScale is the next generation of the ARM processor, a completely different instruction set that just happens to be really easy to design a low power cpu out of.

      I thought that was the case with the crusoe, but I wanted to be sure. Still, back to the PDA thing. I guess I want/expect only certain things out of PDA's.

      1: Why not a single task system? Eliminates VM (and associated overhead).
      2: Why soo big monitor? 640x480 is a lot of power to keep lit. Try 320x240
      3: WHy is monitor color? If it's a pda, you need text and grayscale images. Needless energy waste.
      4: People want devices that do XYZ. Why not have plugin devices that power themselves (on their own batteries)? Your 802.11 card dies. big deal. You can still use yoru pda.
      5: Have no keyboard onboard. Makes things too klunky. Have the gui able to handle all touch access but have a keyboard adaptor (along with keyboard battery) so you dont have to hunt letters.
      6: Why not use a slower processor but have dedicated circuits that are only used when demanded (music decompresser).

      I want something small, lightweigat, something that isnt going to die on me, can do basic jobs and whatnot. IF I WANT LAPTOP FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL BUY A LAPTOP. I just need a basic name/address/phone/email catalog and time organizer.

    5. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by josh+crawley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ---Agreed. I use Palm OS. But at some point you have to make the decision between a moral/political stand and convenience. I believe in open source. I don't like Microsoft Ethics - therefore I refuse to use MS products.

      I really wouldnt mind using a MS PDA, but what I have saw, they eat battery power at horrendous rates (2 hours on my fiends pda-and that was the best times). That alone is the major deciding factor.

      ---Linux in the enterprise is actually a fairly new concept. Linus never wrote it for any other machine than his own desktop.

      Unix based things have always been suited for servers. Linux is just a re-implementation of a Unix system.

      ---But of course it does run well as a server. But the same argument could be said of PocketPC. Why use a desktop OS on a PDA

      In a way, that's what DOS was. Single user single tasking operating system. It didnt do much in terms of hardware (other than a very basic interface). Only the concept of 'Windowed content' brought multi-tasking to the masses.

      ---and furthermore - why use a desktop OS on a server. In fact I imagine linux is more suited than windows ever was, as all they have really ported is the Kernel, the rest is rebuilt, and the kernel is shrunk and tailored to a PDA anyway.

      True, but the the "desktop OS vs server OS" was fought between Windows NT and Win9x. NT was network suited. If you bought the higher product, you got nt Server. MS just slapped server stuff on a Desktop OS. That's what merged those two together.

      ---And you are right, it is a mini laptop - which is why I want it. I work 24x7 support, and the idea of pulling out a linux machine with a useable keyboard from my pocket, logging in and doing my work, is very enticing.

      That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.

      ---And the XScale and the Crusoe are in completely different classes, please don't trust MHz ratings.

      I was asking based on related energy input and heat output. The less those 2 are, the better for small computers. In a PDA type setting, I really dont care about speed of the cpu, just as long the unit is snappy (and bloat-decreased).

    6. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by josh+crawley · · Score: -1, Troll

      Sad. It seems if I piss off the status quo fanboys, I get modded troll or flamebait. Even if it is the truth.

      ________________

      ---The Gadgeteer has a review of the new clamshell-style Sharp Zaurus SL-C700 Linux-based PDA.

      Ohhhhh Ahhhhhh. It runs linux. Like I care. I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.

      Still the political stuff aside, why is Linux (a server based OS) on something that should be totally embedded? Yes, I know LinuxEmbedded is a project too, but whats the point? You use/make what's best for the job. The Linux kernel just doesnt look best for the job.

      ---This new model, currently only officially available in Japan, sports a larger keyboard than the SL-5500 we have in the US,

      It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.

      ---as well as a full 640x480 screen and 400MHz XScale CPU.

      Whatever happened to crusoe? Wasnt that one supposed to be the lowest heat and energy intake for a cpu of that class?

      ---The review mostly compares it against the HP200. The reviewer got his hands on an 'English version,' made available by Dynamism for a hefty pricetag of USD$700."

      Hell, my TI-86 with serial link cable (Z-80 and 90k rom) only cost a hundred. Yes, any PDA will beat the socks off it, but it can do all that math, and with asm programs downloaded for free, it can be a PDA and game player too. And my TI calc lasts for days on, and I can put it in my pocket.

    7. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

      Unix based things have always been suited for servers. Linux is just a re-implementation of a Unix system.

      MSDOS was, more or less, an attempt at a re-implementation of an OS much like Unix.
      What's your point?

    8. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

      > I want something that works, not something to make a political stand.

      It does work. And trust me, Sharp's not exactly a bunch of singing hippy freaks. There's no "political stand" involved on their part. All of Japan just seems to be chosing Linux to run their consumer electronics.

      > It's got a larger everything. The fucker's just a mini-laptop.

      Did you even look at the photos? It's barely any bigger than the SL-5500, which is barely bigger than a typical PalmOS or PocketPC PDA. Or were you looking for one of those "PDAs on a memory card" 'Rex' things?

      My Zaurus lives happily in my pant pocket, along with my cellphone, a pen and a stick of lip balm. Maybe you have very small pockets, or something...?

    9. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > 1: Why not a single task system? Eliminates VM (and associated overhead).

      I happy to enjoy being able to stop what I'm doing, looking up a phone number, and going right back to where I was without digging around to find the application I was running.

      I also enjoy talking on IRC or checking my email while a web page loads. Or calculating some numbers while a new program is being installed.

      > 2: Why soo big monitor? 640x480 is a lot of power to keep lit. Try 320x240

      Hmm... Because you can see a lot more on it, no doubt? Perhaps that's why people keep making bigger monitors and TV sets. Or maybe they're all crazy, and it's an LCD conspiracy!

      As for being 'big' physically (you seem to think it's a lot more space to 'keep lit'), it's no bigger than the SL-5500. The screen is about the same size as pretty much every other PDA out there. (It's the same as my Palm III, if I count the silkscreen area, which is 'soft' (ie, screen space) on most newer Palms)

      > 3: WHy is monitor color? If it's a pda, you need text and grayscale images. Needless energy waste.

      Since when do I need greyscale images? It's hard to read a map if all of the lines are black and white. And frankly, having a To-Do list item highlighted in red when it's past due is a pretty reasonable way to make it noticable.

      > 4: People want devices that do XYZ. Why not have plugin devices that power themselves (on their own batteries)? Your 802.11 card dies. big deal. You can still use yoru pda.

      I see what you're getting at here, but batteries aren't light. If everything had batteries in them needlessly, the thing would weigh way too much to be comfortable to hold. Besides, spending the extra cash on a low-power device is probably much cheaper than if the device had its own battery!

      > 5: Have no keyboard onboard. Makes things too klunky. Have the gui able to handle all touch access but have a keyboard adaptor (along with keyboard battery) so you dont have to hunt letters.

      You'll be wanting the SL-A300 then.

      > 6: Why not use a slower processor but have dedicated circuits that are only used when demanded (music decompresser).

      I guess maybe you don't know much about modern PDA CPUs...

    10. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by infiniti99 · · Score: 1

      I want something small, lightweigat, something that isnt going to die on me, can do basic jobs and whatnot. IF I WANT LAPTOP FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL BUY A LAPTOP. I just need a basic name/address/phone/email catalog and time organizer.

      To each his own. I use my Zaurus for network access (email, shell, IM, web) and MP3s, not for organization. For my needs, this is often much more convenient than dragging a laptop around. Having a tiny keyboard is better than nothing, and makes email / IM bearable.

      I used to have a Psion Revo, which was a pretty cool device. I only had two problems with it: 1) It didn't have a whole lot of software (in contrast, the Zaurus had more software for it the day it was released). 2) No bluetooth option (the only port on the whole device was infrared).

      With the Zaurus, I have everything I ever wanted. Sure, a color screen is probably overkill (though it is nice for the web) and the battery life could be better, but it does the functions I want. Also, notice I said nothing about Linux.

    11. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by KillRaven · · Score: 1

      IF I WANT LAPTOP FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL BUY A LAPTOP.I just need a basic name/address/phone/email catalog and time organizer.

      Good for you, now go and buy a cheap palm device.

      I want laptop functionality in something that is a lot easier and convenient to carry than a laptop. Basically this looks perfect. Not everybody has the exact same needs as you.

    12. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by i_liked_fish · · Score: 1
      1: Why not a single task system? Eliminates VM (and associated overhead).

      The Psion Series 3 had a fully multitasking OS running on an 8MHz x86 in 128Kb of RAM - in 1991.

      If Psion could do it then, PalmOS was a step backwards in my book! :-)

      J

    13. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Unix based things have always been suited for servers.

      Uh, no, actually. Unix based things have always been suited for desktop workstations, games (Space Traveller), typesetting, laptops (the Sparcbook)...

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    14. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Kamelion · · Score: 1
      You'll be wanting the SL-A300 then.

      When will Sharp start selling the A300 in the US? Really the A300 is the SL model I am interested in, but I see no plans on making it available.

      IMHO the A300 is the sweetest Linux based PDA Sharp has produced. Here's a URL describing it from linuxdevices.com: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5915008901. html

    15. Re:Dont care if it's flamebait, its the truth.... by Xenna · · Score: 1

      >>That's exactlty my point. They oughtta call it MINI-laptop or something. Still, if you're in tech support, does it have serial ports to use? I didnt look close at the pictures.>>

      Apparently you feel that the word PDA should be limited to Palm-type pen devices.

      Long time ago I used to have a HP 100LX (DOS handheld with keyboard) which was also called a PDA back then. There's nothing about a PDA that requires a pen interface.

      I tried a Palm after my HP, but I never could get used to the slow way of inputting text with a pen. It must be me...

      Xenna

  31. Hmmm... by foo+fighter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm very tempted by this. My current PDA is the original 2MB Handspring Visor which my life has come to depend upon. I'm in the market for a replacement because I'm running out of room for my appointments, contacts, and notes.

    My requirements for my new PDA are that it supports compact flash (I have tons of these cards for my and my wife's mp3 players, digital camera, and removable storage for her iBook), have more than 2MB memory (at least 8mb), have a battery life that will get me through an 8-5 workday (~3-4 hours of use before recharge), and have a usability that is at least close to that of the Palm platform (everything just works very quickly).

    My wishlist items include built-in or available Wi-Fi, twice my required battery life, and a built-in MP3 player (one-less digital lifestyle device).

    I think these are reasonable expectations for a modern PDA. I speculate many, many PDA owners and potential PDA owners would agree with these.

    My choice up until I read this review was the Toshiba e740. It's tiny & light, accepts compact flash, has more than 2mb memory, has acceptable battery life, comes with built-in Wi-Fi (that can very easily be switched between my home and work setups), and can play MP3s.

    This review made me think twice, but I'll still be buying the Toshiba when my company's next buying cycle comes around. Why?

    The Zaurus gets some credentials for running on linux and having a sweet form-factor with a usable, built-on keyboard. The Pocket PC operating system is much closer to just working than the Linux version (though Pocket PC doesn't work well with my Linux & Mac desktops at home). I can get the Toshiba brand new for half the price of the Zaurus. The Zaurus doesn't offer anything to make up for the price difference. The cool form-factor is moot because the Toshiba is smaller and lighter.

    Nothing else in the market comes close to the e740 except for this Zaurus. The e704 was released last June! I can't believe making a good PDA is so hard. Are there really that few EE's, embedded system programmers, and UI engineer's that it takes a company 3/4ths of a year to come up with a close, but ultimately inferior product?

    Nice try Sharp. Try harder next time.

    --
    obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
    1. Re:Hmmm... by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of us UI designers and human factors people. Of course actually getting PDA companies (and technology companies in general) to listen to us and bring us in early in the design process is the really difficult part.

      To make Sharp look even more stupid, the original Palm design was simply hammered out by a guy fashioning a block of wood in a rough shape of a PDA and carrying it around with him for a month or two and pondering how the thing should work.

      Stick with Palm. Even though they aren't as astute to human factors issues as they once were, their interface still has better design principles than WinCE or the Zaurus.

      --
      Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
    2. Re:Hmmm... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      You might check out the HandEra V330. My mom has one, and it is a pretty sweet piece of hardware. PalmOS, killer high-res screen (with software graffiti area!) No wireless, but it does have both a CF and a SmartMedia slot, so you can have memory and expansion at the same time.

      Built in voice recorder, which is a much more useful tool than I'd given it credit for.

      Enjoy.

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    3. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used several Palms, several Pocket PCs and the Z 5500C. The battery life of the Z is about the same as the Pocket PCs, given comparable use, so that's not been a problem in my experience.

      The glaring weakness of the Z is the PDA apps. The addressbook and calendar are crap - there's no nice way of describing them... KOrganizer is a really nice calendar replacement, being as usable as just about anything available on other PDAs, except that it doesn't have an alarm function(!) - you have to keep checking your PDA to see where your next appointment is.

      I've heard nice things about the tkc apps, but haven't yet become convinced that their apps are "good enough" to make them worth purchasing. They seem significantly better than the built in Z apps, but I'm looking for something as good as DateBk3 and SuperNames on the Palm.

    4. Re:Hmmm... by hacker · · Score: 1
      I'm very tempted by this. My current PDA is the original 2MB Handspring Visor which my life has come to depend upon. I'm in the market for a replacement because I'm running out of room for my appointments, contacts, and notes.
      Do you really have more than 6,000 addresses, 3,000 appointments, 1,500 to do items, 1,500 memos, and 200 email messages sitting on your Visor? Are you SURE? You might want to consider archiving past data if you do, to save some storage on the device.

      Really though, I've never run out of actual storage on those things, unless I've completely consumed the device with third-party applications, and in most cases, there are many third-party replacements for other third-party applications that are smaller.

      If you have, perhaps it's time to rethink your organization strategy.

      As for your wishlist, good luck. I've been using PDAs, tablets, and other handhelds since the late 80's and early 90's, and I've seen people wish for the same things over and over and over (longer battery life), and then wish for other things that just cancel them out (bright color screen, built-in wifi, mp3 player).

      You can't have everything all in one, and get everything you need, so compromise. In 10 years, when the technology improves to the point of making this feasible, maybe, but in the next 3-5, forget it.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by darrylo · · Score: 1

      If you're used to powerful address/phone book capabilities (e.g., DateBk[345] on the Palm), you're pretty much stuck with getting another Palm compatible (have you looked at the TRGPro's, 330's, or Clie's?). As much as I love the Zaurus (5500D), it blows chunks when it comes to advanced PIM features (even considering commercial third-party apps). There's no hyperlinking from appointments to phone book/note entries, no integration of appointments/to-dos, etc., etc. The PIMs available for the Zaurus are very primitive compared to what's available for the Palm.

      On the other hand, if you've never used a PDA before, or if you don't use advanced PIM features, the Zaurus PIMs are fine -- many people are certainly happy with them. Only if you're used to advanced features, will you find the Zaurus lacking.

      [ The Z is a really cool linux handheld. I just wouldn't recommend it for PDA purposes. ]

    6. Re:Hmmm... by alain1234 · · Score: 1

      Check the serial of your e704, maybe you should bring it back

  32. WiFi? by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

    Does it support WiFi?

    1. Re:WiFi? by dan+the+person · · Score: 1

      Yes. i don't think there are any 802.11b cards now that will not work. Most of them all use the prisim chipset but the symbol spectrum cards are also supported.

  33. Hefty price by rveno1 · · Score: 1

    While we all wanna be the first geek on the block to go get the new and cool gadget (and have the privlage to shell our $700)

    By wainting a little bit you can and will get the same device later on at a significant discount

  34. Not gonna do it. by blair1q · · Score: 0, Redundant

    If it doesn't have a PDA, phone, satellite communicator, and zabaglione beater on it, I ain't buying it.

    1. Re:Not gonna do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you forgot...

      GPS, IRDA, Consumer IR blaster port, The ability to read car diagnostic codes, RDRRam, Toaster, Blender (the rotating metal wisps type), and a full selection of Ginsu Knives...

      Oh and a clock... it's gotta have a clock. that set's it self from the atomic clock.

  35. I heard it can play with your mom's clit though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    n/t

  36. Unobtrusive 802.11 sniffing... by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since it's a linux machine out of the box, and appears to have decent connectors on it for peripherals (like in the CF slot), wouldn't this be an idea candidate for 802.11a/b sniffing? I mean, it's small, so small that it fits in a coat pocket, and since it's a PDA, generally people won't think to look if it's attempting to wiggle into their network or not. It also looks more useful than an IPaq, by having a keyboard, and could probably make a helluva good network diagnostic tool if not used for malovelent purposes.

    --

    IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
    And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
    1. Re:Unobtrusive 802.11 sniffing... by Duwke · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the drivers for most of the WIFI cards are not good enough to do anything besides 11 mb/s. This of course means that only the shortest range is available. Nonetheless, once some of the drivers mature (and some of the wifi manufacturers get off their cans and give the driver writers assistance) the software is definitely available.

  37. Messed up fonts by Tyreth · · Score: 1
    What's with the messed up fonts for the bottom left icon? Reminds me of the problems I'm having with kde 3.1 at the moment :)

    I'd love one of these.

    1. Re:Messed up fonts by BJH · · Score: 1

      Probably a Japanese icon title, being displayed with incorrect fonts.

    2. Re:Messed up fonts by shimpei · · Score: 1

      That's a document viewer for the .zbf format, which is a proprietary format Sharp is pushing as an e-publishing standard in Japan. It's almost completely irrelvant if you don't read Japanese. Why Dynamism didn't just erase it altogether is beyond me--it's even removable via the package manager!

    3. Re:Messed up fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dynamism guys add 200$ for their translation but are not able to fix the Japanese font display...

      Here is the trick:
      http://zaurus.biojapan.de/sla300en.htm
      (j ust look at the font update)

  38. Check this out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Look at this screenshot of my PDA 802.11 sniffing. Pretty cool.

    1. Re:Check this out... by chrestomanci · · Score: 1

      Don't click on the link, the picuture is hardcore pr0n, which make me feel like throwing up.

  39. They missed the key thing that I want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A reflective color screen. Am I the only person on earth who thinks a portable device should work outdoors? I have yet to see a backlit LCD screen that can be easily read outdoors. I want something that can be bolted to the handlebars of my motorcycle with a GPS receiver and mapping program. I want something that'll let me read my email in the park (thanks to a conveniently placed open WAP).

    Heck, make two versions. A backlit for the moles and reflective for the people who still know what the sun looks like.

  40. A portable web server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Imagine pulling it out from my pocket, connect it with my client's PC and show a full-function website demo with MySQL, PHP, Apache, CRM, CMS, Sendmail, ....

    1. Re:A portable web server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine pulling it out from my pocket...

      If I were your client, I'd probably stop you right there.

  41. Can I get one by blair1q · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    with a 3.08GHz CPU, 1.0GB of ram, a 120 GB hard drive, 104-key keyboard, and 21-inch display?

  42. Re:Cons Pros by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The short battery life on the Zaurus (or any other palm PC for that matter) is a show stopper for me coming from a palm set-up where I could leave the device in my jacket pocket for a month or two without recharging. Unless I remember to plug my zaurus in every few days, it gets grumpy the next time I turn it on. Moreover very few of the packages are willing to install either on CF card or RAM. Most of them seem to need to go in RAM. This requires you to have a RAM disk and also forces you to reinstall your packages if you forget to plug the Zaurus in for a while.

    I found the keyboard much better than Graffiti for inputting stuff but you're still not going to write a book on the thing. Your thumbs would eventually leap up of their own volition and gouge your eyes right out of their sockets. And believe me, that's a hard price to pay.

    I'm currently pondering the Sony Clie, but the only models that seem to have keyboards on them are the $400 and up ones. And I don't need a voice recorder on my pilot.

    I expect where the pocket PCs would really shine would be if you could attach 2 or 3 network interfaces to them. Then you could use them for corporate espionage. You could stash one of those suckers under a desk or in a comm closet, plugged in, for years. Take your choice; your competitor's network packets broadcast to WAP, or the slightly more dangerous option of scanning for interesting bits and forwarding them to an address out on the net (The latter also requires fairly extensive knowledge of his firewall setup.)

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  43. Owner's view by shimpei · · Score: 5, Informative
    As an owner of the SL-C700, I'd like to point out the following:

    • The going price in Japan for the SL-C700 is a touch under US$500 (if you can get any, that is; it's still in short supply, two months after release). Dynamism is getting a hefty margin for their effort.
    • Battery life is one of the biggest problems with this unit. The biggest battery drainers are the LCD backlight and the CF card. If you keep the backlight dim (which is adequate if you're indoors), and you don't have a WiFi card or a wireless modem running, you can easily exceed 3.5h in battery time. If you go full blast on both, the battery life can be as low as 1.5h. If you want better battery life, a better solution would be the SL-6000 (sold as the SL-B500 in Japan), which doesn't have the nice display, but whose battery lasts as much as 18 hours.
    • Memory is the other big problem. Actually, you can get by with 32MB of RAM if you turn off "resident in RAM" flags for the commonly used programs, but then you have to wait a few seconds every time you want to use them. Many Japanese users have resorted to creating swap files on SD cards. For some reason, Sharp is refusing to acknowledge this as an issue.
    • The machine does feel a bit unresponsive, especially when starting applications. This appears to be mostly due to the toolkit (Qt-Embedded) and the unaccelerated framebuffer. OTOH, profiling reveals that a lot of time is wasted opening and closing huge Japanese font files on startup, so maybe the English version runs much faster.
    • Sharp does publish kernel code, in accordance with GPL (although the SD card driver is proprietary). However, the QtE code, as well as most of the PIM code, is proprietary, which means that the users can't do much about the above problem. (Sharp's engineer said in an interview that recompiling the stock QtE library from Trolltech will likely not work.)
    • Sharp's decision to make 802.11b optional makes perfect sense in Japan, because hotspots aren't as ubiquitous or interoperable here as they are in the US. The most popular PDA wireless solution here is a cell phone modem in CF form, which works in almost all urban areas at 32kbps-128kbps. And if you do need WiFi, what's so hard about plugging a modem in?
    • Yes, third party application support is pretty patchy--unless you can live with console applications, in which virtually every non-X applications in Debian is a recompile away from running on the C700! A lot of Japanese users who were fed up with the default mailer are now happily using emacs to read their mail, for example.
    To me, switching from the Palm Vx to the SL-C700 was like trading in a middle-aged accountant for a teenage math genius. The Palm was clearly better at traditional PDA work, and doesn't drive you up the wall like the C700 does sometimes, but there is something unquantifiable that is truly exciting about the C700 that the Palm can't begin to copy.
    1. Re:Owner's view by BJH · · Score: 1

      profiling reveals that a lot of time is wasted opening and closing huge Japanese font files on startup

      If you're using Japanese, I wouldn't exactly say that the time is "wasted"...

    2. Re:Owner's view by ewhac · · Score: 1

      Main memory in these devices tends to be slow, to conserve power. How slow is this thing when performing CPU-intensive tasks? What's the battery life?

      ...What I'm driving at is: Can I slap this thing down on a LAN and have a reasonably well performing, instant QuakeWorld server?

      Schwab

    3. Re:Owner's view by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can I slap this thing down on a LAN and have a reasonably well performing, instant QuakeWorld server?

      I dunno. But... I can play networked Doom on my SL-5000D, against someone running Doom on a desktop PC. ;^)

    4. Re:Owner's view by po8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most glyph / font file management code is hopelessly unoptimized for Far East fonts: designers tend to make simplifying assumptions about character set size, font overlap, and glyph rendering that are expensive to correct later.

      The latest fontconfig/Xft code has been carefully designed to do a really nice job with Far East glyphs and fonts, as well as most other languages on the face of the planet. Keith Packard is to be congratulated, as usual, for his leading-edge work on this. The problem with Qpe being closed-source is that there is no reasonable alternative for integrating this work except to be patient and hope that Trolltech does it: then hope there is an upgrade path.

    5. Re:Owner's view by shimpei · · Score: 1

      I don't know anything about QuakeWorld, and I also don't have any CPU benchmarks, but the XScale processor in the Zaurus doesn't have an FPU. That might be a deal-killer for a 3D game.

    6. Re:Owner's view by Eccles · · Score: 1

      And if you do need WiFi, what's so hard about plugging a modem in?

      If you plug a modem in, you can't plug in something else. CFs tend to come larger and cheaper than SD.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    7. Re:Owner's view by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Dude, I would own you at some Quakeworld deathmatch on the world's smallest lan!!!
      A 10ms ping, 0 packet loss, dm6, and one lightning gun, will be all I need. Your feet will never touch the ground.

    8. Re:Owner's view by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Doom deathmatch was great, but Quakeworld deathmatch is a definite improvement, with internet play, true 3D graphics, and free aka mouse look. As I understand it, there are various open source projects that have added these features to Doom. Most people don't want a new game, they just want their old favorite game with a few improvements. Check out Doom 2 with new high resolution textures and the JDoom project which adds true 3D graphics to Doom!

      Compare those screenshots side by side with screenshots of the original DOS Doom. It is the same gameplay you love, but definitely better graphics! You will need more hardware than you used back with the original DOS Doom, but you won't need much by today's standards.

    9. Re:Owner's view by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      One last thing, I saw your website, and your section about Quake. Uhhh, if you still play Quakeworld, I suggest you use the FuhQuake client. It has numerous improvements both graphical and network, in addition to a few interface tweaks. In addition, you can play single player COOP using Quakeworld's network protocol. Isn't open source great? Isn't Id Software great? Well, John Carmack is great, at least.

    10. Re:Owner's view by terzyva · · Score: 1
      If you install the pocketworkstation environment, all the X11-based Linux applications are an apt-get away. No recompiling needed. I'm running it on my C700 right now, and it works very well.

      (My webserver may regret this. Please don't download the large packages unless you have a C700 or Zaurus to run them on...)

      -Klaus

    11. Re:Owner's view by ewhac · · Score: 1

      I'm mostly a user of More QuakeWorld these days. It seems to be what most of the hardcore players are using these days. FuhQuake looks gorgeous, however. I'll be sure to give it a try.

      Schwab

    12. Re:Owner's view by Cwaig · · Score: 1

      Actually, recompiling Qtopia (QPE) is perfectly possible. Check out the OpenZaurus project (www.openzaurus.org) - this is an entire replacment for the ROM on an SL5500, and will no doubt support the SL-C700 soonish.

      --
      +++ BASELINE REALITY FAILURE+++ +++ PLEASE REBOOT UNIVERSE +++
    13. Re:Owner's view by shimpei · · Score: 1

      The important word here is replacement. Sharp's claim is that, if you replace libqpe, you lose the ability to run all the built-in applications. That's fine if you do want to replace everything--the default PIM applications certainly leave a lot to be desired--but it isn't an option if you want to run HancomWord, for example.

    14. Re:Owner's view by Jagasian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was using mqwcl for the last year, but switched to FuhQuake once I got a faster computer. I like the jump prediction in FuhQuake better than in mqwcl... FuhQuake also has the eyecandy... but mqwcl is great if you just want raw framerate and ultra tweaked to nothing graphics.

      mqwcl at a solid 300 fps on a lan, with a ktpro server... its just all about the shaft. Rockets are sooo 1997 ;-)

  44. Pricing and English Language Conversion by blh · · Score: 5, Informative

    The prices at Dynamism are a bit on the high side in my opinion. I purchased my SL-C700 in Japan at Yodobashi Camera for about 55000 JPY which at the current spot rate is about 460.00 USD.

    Presumably part of that is to recoup shipping and some of the translation costs but a lot of what you are paying is for the after-purchase Fedex replacement service should you ever break the unit.

    Short of hopping on the next plane to Tokyo, one alternative is to order one from Conics for 569USD. You may then switch to SL-C700 (mostly) to English yourself by adding the line:

    Language = en

    to /home/root/Settings/locale.conf.

  45. Re:Cons Pros by asv108 · · Score: 1
    On a side note, Fujitsu [fujitsu.com] makes a killer laptop [fujitsupc.com]! I've seen it in action...perhaps one of the best laptops for its size...

    As an owner of the latest p-2k I have nothing but praise for the p-2000 series. Integrated wireless, DVD/CDR, firewire, and a host of other features packed in to 3.5 pound form factor. The battery life is amazing especially with the little extended main battery I can get 6 hours. Here is a little review I wrote ahwile back,

  46. Re:Cons Pros by scubacuda · · Score: 1
    That's a sweet review...I just sent it to a lawyer friend of mine who wanted me to "recommend a bitchin computer" that his "firm would pay for."

    tx

  47. Re:Cons Pros by Guylhem · · Score: 5, Informative

    I currently have one C700 sitting on my desktop for a review. I also have a Sony Clié SJ20 (for old palm medical ebooks I can not read on the Zaurus due to DRM - no matter I *purchased* them I can't legally do what I want with them but that's another story) and a SL 5500. I also had a SL 5000d before, a Clié NR 70, a Clié 760 and various Visors.

    The C700 is a killer - first it feels so cool! I can't remember being so impressed by a PDA except maybe by the Clié 760 which was really innovative for its time. The C700 can really hold in your shirt pocket - honnestly it's as small as the smallest clié available only a little wider. The screen is a pure marvel - forget the cliés or the ipaqs. I know I don't need color but when you see such a beautiful screen you realise can't live without it.. Just plug your CF in and show your digital pics to your friend on a real screen ! Or use the embedded web browser which can load real websites (no downgraded avantgo like stuff), uqtreader (http://www.timwentford.uklinux.net/) to read offline channels or P.Gutemberg ebooks, ...

    The keyboard is big enought for real typing and the battery life is not a problem (~ 4h in a row? That's more than most color palms and pocket pcs!) since the charger is as big as a tic tac box. And I can afford a spare battery and an external charger if I really need ~8 h in a row.

    The real problem is that most software written for the 5500 uses fixed sizes in pixels for a 240x340 screen - that does not scale well on a 640x480. Layouts *should* be used !!! And the emulation for 240x340 takes ~5 sec to load - forever if you need the application *now*. That's not a problem since most 5500 apps are GPL'ed so you can fix the code but if you are using poorly written commercial software on your 5500 forget it !

    Moreover the memory is somehow limited : you can't launch many apps at the same time, especially memory hogs like java applications.

    It is really promising once a) more software will be ported or cleanly coded and b) opie (http://www.opie.info) will be ported, allowing to put the root filesystem on a SD card thus keeping the while 64M of memory for the system.

    If you have $700, if you don't mind replacing the pim by other software (PC syncs sucks - and for some reason they decided to drop the XML format from the PIM) do yourself a favor a get one. In some weeks you will be able to use Opie free software distribution and get the real power out of this baby!

    Please check my C700 forum http://externe.net/zaurus/forum if you have one and need some help.

    Guylhem

  48. Nice!! by 0z0*!a · · Score: 0

    But, for that price, no I will wait 'till go down on price.

  49. Hello, $300 more and you can get an iBook by jpt.d · · Score: 1

    Then you would effectively have a lot more value for your money!

    --
    What we see depends on mainly what we look for. -- John Lubbock Now search for that bug slave!
    1. Re:Hello, $300 more and you can get an iBook by mrob2002 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's to miss the point of the form factor though. I'd love a C700, but currently have the 5500. What I love about it is that it really is small enough to fit into a coat pocket, or be dropped into the bottom of a bag, so that it's there when I need it. I don't have to worry about where I'm going to leave it if I want to go out for the evening after work say.

      Also, even with the smaller screen on the 5500, I find it very comfortable to lie back on my sofa and do a bit of email reading and web browsing, something only the far more expensive Tablet PCs come somewhere near.

      A laptop is good for where you need to get lots of typing or editing done, but seeing as 90% of my leisure PC use is web surfing, the small form is what I love. But if I need to, I can fire up a shell, ssh into my servers for some emergency work, fire up VNC to get into my Windows servers, start Kismet to see what's in the area. If I'm sat in a small cramped train seat I can even watch a divx off of a compact flash card, and with a lot lower profile than a mugger enticing iBook.

    2. Re:Hello, $300 more and you can get an iBook by smithmc · · Score: 1


      When I can stick an iBook in my pocket, you let me know, mmm-kay?

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  50. Alternatives by Herby+Werby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are a few Linux-based alternatives over on LinuxDevices.com (http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077 .html). My only question about the Zaurus is "Where's the Bluetooth?". I couldn't consider pouring money into a PDA which was lacking BT.

    1. Re:Alternatives by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Buletooth does work with the zaurus.
      Check out the forums at:
      www.zaurus.com/dev/board
      People seem to have been pretty successful at connecting to bluetooth APs using bluetooth CF cards in the zaurus.

      --
      Life is too short to proofread.
  51. Just a Quick Question by serutan · · Score: 1

    Say, Jeff, you can prove that you paid for that copy of "King of the Pecos" that you're watching on your Zaurus, right?

    Right? :-)

  52. So, I have a question... by coolgeek · · Score: 1

    Does anyone think it is likely to get Ethereal running on this little doohickey?

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  53. mod parent UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +5 interesting

  54. Dynamism too expensive by mocm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering that you can get the SL-C700 for about 55000 yen in Japan and for $569 at conics.net
    and switching to English is just editing one file dynamism seems abit steep in their pricing.
    I am waiting for my shipment from conics right now.
    In Euros it's even cheaper :).

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    ***Quis custodiet ipsos custodes***
    1. Re:Dynamism too expensive by mistered · · Score: 1
      Dynamism is expensive but from what I can see they provide top-notch service. They've been around for some time, and if you have a warranty problem, they'll pay to fedex the product back.

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      Enjoy your job, make lots of money, work within the law. Choose any two.
  55. Re:Also called... Dolphin lovin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Heyo! Firstly, introductions all round. My name is Dragon-wolfe Dolphinn, musician, pre-vet student and Delphinic Zoophile. People are often wondering just what the hell zoophilia is. Zoophilia is best described as a love of animals so intimate that the person (and the animal) involved have no objections to expressing their affection for each other in the sexual fashion. This does not include forcefully mating with an animal, without their consent, or with no mutual feelings whatsoever. This is something that I would never do to a dolphin, since I love them dearly, and treat them with the same respect that an honest husband would have for his wife and children.

    Dolphins are very intelligent, highly emotional and expressive creatures. They enjoy the company of humans, and if a relationship develops between a human and a dolphin, as has happened with me, they will, on occasion, wish to express their trust and affection for you in the most direct way; through mating, or sex-play. You see, dolphins do not use sex purely for procreative reasons. They use it as a way of strengthening the bonds between pod mates (mothers and calves included), and also for fun. Dolphins and humans share this common trait with very few other animals, so sometimes it makes me wonder when people continue to ask me "How DO you mate with a dolphin?". Easy. Let the dolphin tell you! Well, here is a selection of questions people have asked me, so I hope this sheds some light on the subject...

    MATING WITH DOLPHINS:

    Q1) How do I tell a male dolphin from a female one?

    A1) Probably the most common question I get asked. There are 2 ways of determining the sex of a dolphin. The most obvious way is to take a peek under the peduncle (the long part of the body connected to the tail flukes). On the dolphin's belly, directly opposite the dorsal fin, will be the umbilicus, or the navel of the dolphin. Looking further down towards the tail, you start to see the differences. Male dolphins have two separate slits for the penis (the urogenital opening) and the anus. These are separated by a bridge of skin. The male's urogenital opening is generally located further up the belly, towards the navel.

    Females, on the other fin, have one continuous larger slit, the anus located at the end of it. On either side of the genital slit, you will find two smaller slits; these are the mammary slits, where the nipples of the dolphin are kept for feeding the calves. The slit is also located closer to the tail stock of the dolphin. The other way to determine the sex of a dolphin, if you can't reach their belly, is to look at their mellon, or head. The males tend to have a fatter, rounder mellon, while the females are more sleek and streamlined.

    Q2) How do I know if a dolphin wants to have sex?

    A2) There are various ways a dolphin has of showing that she or he is interested in sex. Males are probably the easiest to detect. They will swim around, sporting an erection (anywhere between 10 to 14 inches long for a Bottle-nose), and will have no bones about swimming up to you and placing their member within reach of your hand. If you are in the water, they may rub it along any part of your body, or wrap it around your wrist or ankle. (Dolphin males have a prehensile penis. They can wrap it around objects, and carry them as such.) Their belly will also be pinkish in colour, which also denotes sexual excitement.

    Females can be a little harder. The most obvious way a female dolphin has of displaying her sexual interest is the pink-belly effect. Their genitals become very pink and swollen, making the genital region very prominent. They may be restless, or they may be acting as normal. If you are out of the water, they may swim up to you and roll belly up, exposing themselves to you, coupled with pelvic thrusts. If you are in the water, they may press their genitals up against yours, nibble your fingers, nuzzle your crotch, or do pelvic thrusts against you. Each dolphin's way of expressing sexual readiness varies, so the longer you know the dolphin, the better you will detect when they are sexually active.

    Q3) What do I do if a dolphin wants to mate with me?

    A3) Accept, if possible! I will go through the steps involved with males and females...

    The Male:
    When a male dolphin is interested in you, about the only thing you can do, if you are male, is to masturbate him. (Unfortunately, I cannot speak for the female of the human species... it seems women just don't like dolphins enough... so I cannot say for sure if it is safe to mate with them. I would suspect not, due to a dolphin's size, but then again, I cannot say for a woman.) WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death. Unless you are the masochistic type, you will have a hard time explaining your predicament to the doctors in the emergency ward....

    A male dolphin's member is roughly S-shaped, tapered at the end. If you are in the water with them, it is best to support the dolphin on his side, just under the water, with one hand, and handle him with the other. Male dolphins, I find, tend to prefer the base of the penis to be gently massaged and squeezed, as well as gently rubbed along its length. It feels very much like the rest of the dolphin (ie. smooth and rubbery to the touch, but firmer). It doesn't take long for the male to ejaculate, around 40 seconds to a minute, and this is usually accompanied by either shuddering just prior to ejaculating, and thrusting and tail-arching during ejaculation. The force of ejaculation can be powerful at times, so it is best to keep your face out of the line of fire, or keep his member underwater. You can attempt to lick and suck on the end of it while masturbating as well, but be warned, do not try to give full throat, and get the hell out of the way before he ejaculates! A male dolphin could snap your neck in an accidental thrust, and that would be the end of that relationship.

    The Female:
    Well, the females are again a little trickier. There are two courses of action with a female fin: Masturbation, or mating.

    Masturbation: Female dolphins, once they show interest in you, can be supported in much the same way as the male, one hand under the fin, supporting her, the other doing the stimulating. The clitoris of the female is located at the top of the genital slit, and is a prominent lump when erect. You can rub this with your finger tips, or lick and suck it, but with the oral aspect, you might end up with a bruised nose as they thrust up into you. You can slide your hand gently into their genital opening, and feel around inside, rubbing gently. They feel warm and muscular inside, their labia like tough, squishy sponges when they are excited. Don't be surprised if they start to play with your hand inside them. They have very manipulative muscles, and can use them to carry and manipulate objects, including your hand. (They can do things that would make a regular human woman turn green with envy.) Their climax is coupled with stiffening, shuddering, sometimes a lot of thrusting, clenching of the vaginal muscles, and sometimes vocalisation.

    Mating: This is harder. Obviously, being human, it is awkward, but not impossible to mate in open water. It is easier to have the dolphin in a shallow area (like the shallows just off the beach) around 1 1/2 to 2 feet deep. This is usually comfortable enough for both the dolphin and you. Gently, you should roll the dolphin on her side, so she is lying belly-towards you. You can prop yourself up on an elbow, and lie belly to belly against her. You may want to use the other arm to gently hold her close, and place the tip of your member against her genital slit. She will, if interested, arch her body up against you, taking you inside her body. There is usually a fair bit of wriggling and shifting, usually to get comfortable, both outside and inside. Once comfortable, though, females initiate a series of muscular vaginal contractions that rub the entire length of your member. They may also thrust rhythmically against you, so enjoy the experience while you can, since you will rarely last longer that a minute or two. Just prior to her climaxing, she will up the speed of her contractions and thrusts. It is interesting to note that the times I have mated with females, they have timed their orgasm to mine. Whether they do this consciously or not, I do not know, but it is a great feeling to have two bodies shuddering against each other at the one time.

    One thing to note. Whether you masturbate or mate a fin, male or female, always spend time with them afterwards. Cuddle them, rub them, talk to them and most importantly, show them you love them. This is essential, as it helps to strengthen the bond between you. Like a way of saying that this wasn't just a one night fling. The dolphins appreciate it, and they will want your company more the next time you visit them.

    Q4) What diseases can I get from dolphins? Can I give them any?

    A4) I have had no experiences with Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD's) with dolphins, so I couldn't rightfully say. I do know, however, that you can pass the Flu between you, along with other respiratory problems. (I got a cold when a dolphin sneezed on me once. It cleared up after a week or so.) You can also pass some skin irritations on to them, if you handle them with chaffed or broken skin. Just like with a human, it is best to BE CLEAN when you handle a dolphin. If you have cuts on your hands, avoid touching them unless you wash with a Betadine surgical scrub prior to handling. This is available from most Veterinary and Surgical suppliers. If you have some disease of some sort, avoid mating, for the dolphins sake. This is a little known area, more so because Zoophilia is considered illegal in many places (which I think is a load of crud, but the law's the law....)

    Q5) Is there any way I can invite a dolphin to be masturbated?

    A5) Well, yes. If they are hanging around, but not looking particularly excited, but you are, you can invite them with this way... Male and Female dolphins can be invited by rolling them on their sides, again, but instead of going straight to the genital slit, rub along their bellies, between their pectoral fins, along the navel, and every once in a while, over the genital slit. If they are responsive, they will show the signs of excitement as described earlier, and you can proceed as usual. If, however, they are not responsive, they will swim away, or turn back upright. DO NOT force the issue with a dolphin! Trying to restrain them will only break their trust in you, and could cause you serious injury. Pat them, stroke them and talk to them lovingly, but do not try anything else. It is best, anyway, to let the dolphin tell you when they are ready. It is far more pleasant, and more fulfilling anyway. And more special.

    Q6) Where can I find a dolphin to mate with?

    A6) Aquariums are a bad choice, for many reasons. Too public, the dolphins are not in their natural habitat, night visits are impossible, etc etc... some may have external enclosures, which may be accessible, but that is no guarantee. Best thing sometimes is to find a beach or a cove that the dolphins frequent. It takes time to develop a relationship with a dolphin to the point where they will let you mate with them (although some have been as quick as 3 days to acclimatize). Gaining their trust takes time, and you need to visit frequently. This is impossible for some people, I understand, but it is the best way. Sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time. I have been extremely lucky on two occasions with wild dolphins, and my current mate is a dolphin who lives in the harbour of my resident city. Well, I hope this is of use to whoever is interested.

    One final note. You should love a dolphin, not because of the sexual relief they can provide, but because they are a unique animal, one of the few wild animals that seek the company of man by their own initiative. This is special. Do not abuse it.

  56. Sweet BUTT, it needs Palm OS by mildness · · Score: 1
    My Zaurus is now for sale. I finally got tired of the near total lack of polished 3rd party apps and downgraded to a Treo 90.

    Since my early 80's Amiga I try to keep in mind the rule "it's so dang sexy but is it compatibile?"

    Alas, technolust overwhelms my sensibility every time.

    Cheers,

    Bill

    PS Where's a Pocket PC (or whatever they're called now) with a keyboard? I won't buy another PDA w/o a keyboard.

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    bamph
    1. Re:Sweet BUTT, it needs Palm OS by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Where's a Pocket PC (or whatever they're called now) with a keyboard?

      Here.

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    2. Re:Sweet BUTT, it needs Palm OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet BUTT, it needs Palm OS

      Mmmmm....sweet butt!

  57. FUCK THE MUSLIMS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    All you Muslim Motherfuckers are going straight to FUCKING HELL. All Muslims are evil. FUCK THEM ALL!

    FUCK MUHAMMAD AND FUCK THE MUSLIMS!

    1. Re:FUCK THE MUSLIMS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the po-lice.

  58. Maybe I wasn't reading close enough.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... but it seems to be missing bluetooth, 802.11, gps, etc.. these things should be integrated already, so expansion ports can handle standards that don't exist today as well as larger storage (for video and music).. Also, how about a 720x480 camera that can shoot video? the 400mhz cpu (or a hardware mpeg4 codec) should be able to handle it..

    Oh well, not like I have a job to pay for it anyway :p

    Also, is it just me or does the calculator look really clunky? Is it that Qtopia apps can't take over the entire root screen, or does the calc that was demo'd just suck? Why have a menubar, window borders etc. on a calculator? Maybe I was just spoiled by Newton..

    1. Re:Maybe I wasn't reading close enough.... by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Oh well, not like I have a job to pay for it anyway :p

      Which is something of a Catch-22, since if you had the job, you could buy one, whereas by not having the job, you have the time to help improve the software if you had one...

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    2. Re:Maybe I wasn't reading close enough.... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      Maybe I can sue for whiplash ;)

      Compensation? She's a bitch goddess. She gives with one hand, she takes away with the other.

  59. Me too. by enkidu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Exactly my view. I'll change and upgrade with my computers at work. I'll upgrade my apps, I'll patch the OS (particularly since IT will fix it if things get totally wacked). I run Win2000 and RH7.2 at work. I want my home computer to always work. I run MacOSX at home.

    For my PDA, I expect it's primary duties to be a notepad + address book + scheduler + RPN calculator. I want something that is small, nimble, quick to use, easy to backup, and will never crash on me. I'll live with a wait cursor on my computers but not on my PDA. I'll live with multiple clicks to perform one task on my computer but not on my PDA. If I want a portable MP3 player, I'll get a Zen or a iPod. And for my PDA needs, the PalmOS based ones are it. I currently use a Handera330 and have no complaints. I'd take a Tungsten T in a heartbeat. Not for its whizz bang features, but for its formfactor and screen. Oh, and I'd trade color for battery life anyday on a PDA.

    The Sharp would be a cool laptop backup though. If I worked as a SysAdmin, I'd carry one with a CF ethernet adapter and a serial cable everywhere. However, I'm a code slinger and much prefer my Happy Hacking Keyboard to a thumbpad.

    EnkiduEOT

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    1. Re:Me too. by FatherOfONe · · Score: 1

      I use to have the same opinion as you, and was a avid Palm user, but I bought an Ipaq 39xx series. The Ipaq offered one feature that I needed, that the palm didn't offer. I personally can't stand PocketPC 2002 compared to the palm BUT I have found that I use the Ipaq for a LOT more that I ever used my palm for. This is not to say that modern Palms can't do the same, but to compare it to my Palm V...
      1. I use a 802.11b card to check email in the living room of my home.
      2. I use the "small" and $20.00 month wireless modem (VoiceStream cart) to connect to the Internet from about anywhere. (NOTE: not $40.00/month like the Sharp product)
      3. I actually read Word and Excel documents from work.
      4. I took Video from my wedding and show it to people via PocketTv. It works well..
      5. The games are not too bad.
      6. I use it as an MP3 player when cutting the grass.
      7. I SSH in to work from about anywhere.

      Now I used my Palm for a glorified daytimer, and sometimes used it to catch up on email. It did a great job of that but nothing more for me.

      Now here is what I don't like about the Ipaq that the new Sharp seems to have addressed.

      1. Resolution of 640X480. This would be great for browsing and terminal windows!

      2. Good keyboard. The IPAQ sucks.

      3. Expandable battery. Sometimes I don't care about the extra weight (flights..)

      What it doesn't appear to have though...

      1. Backing by most PCMCIA hardware vendors... So drivers and software will be hard to find. You would be limited to using their "wireless modem" and their $40/month service... :-(

      My main point is that all most people use to use a computer for was a glorified typewriter, but over time they used them for a LOT more. This is no different.

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    2. Re:Me too. by Locutus · · Score: 1

      I know it's still a bit tough to configure but a Bluetooth enabled handheld computer and mobile phone can get you web browsing and email when on the road.

      There are many doing it with the Zaurus now and looking at your list of features you use and want, the Zaurus would be a better fit than the ipaq. Better keyboard
      extra batteries available
      SD and CF expansion for tons of MP3's and/or movies(not tons;)
      OK and Cancel buttons( pen not always needed )

      Hey, and if you want to tweak your own ROM or use another( opie ), its up to you. It'll give you more of the impression that you own the device and not Microsoft.

      BTW, I recently dropped my Palm VIIx service for Bluetooth enabled remote networking via mobile phone. I miss the Datebk 3 event icons and non-contiguous repeating events but that's about it. Oh, and battery life, though Bluetooth works much better for wireless networking from the couch also( desktop PC is routing/NAT for the ppp connection :).

      LoB

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      "Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
  60. HAND HELD SERVER by Milhouse_n_chitown · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else see the handheld linux server on the same page. Now that looks fun, 20 gig, wifi, linux server that fits in your hand, Sign me up for one.

  61. PDA with USB "on-the-go" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I know this is off-topic, but does anyone know if there is a USB2.0 on the go enabled PDA on the market?

    I would dearly love to get my Archos Jukebox USB drive running on the PDA, as it requires no external power from the USB port, it shouldn't drain batteries too much.

    1. Re:PDA with USB "on-the-go" by generic-man · · Score: 1

      None are available right now, but Sony announced that they will make "future Clie handhelds" with USB On-The-Go capability. Sony has a history of introducing new models every few months, so a USB On-The-Go Model might be available this year.

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  62. does it run NetBSD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It'd be so ultra cool to be able to carry a BSD handheld around.

  63. Re:Cons Pros by Bill+Kendrick · · Score: 1

    I know I don't need color

    One of the few arguments I have FOR color screens on handhelds is that maps (and similar data) can be easier to read when in color. :^)

    This isn't saying that full-color JPEG photos and MPEG videos, and 3D 3rd-person shooters don't need color... they just aren't the best argument for it. ;^)

  64. Re:Cons Pros by Moofie · · Score: 1

    Short battery life, on a Palm PC. Huh?

    I just changed the two rechargeables in my Handspring Visor. I last charged them, ummm, three months ago. I use this thing a fair bit.

    Where's that short battery life problem? Certainly not on any PalmOS computer I've ever worked with.

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  65. Re:Cons Pros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need color because I could live with a B&W pda but colors makes the "experience" better!

    Why?
    - pim : the humand mind seems hardwired to look for colors. Put your important meetings and events in red and you won't miss them (unless the interface sucks and uses red everywhere of course but there's no cure for bad design)
    - digital pics - check my website (no I'm not proud of every picture I made but I just don't delete them so there's everything I take). I can just take some pics and show them to my friends so they can see their faces after the party !
    - ebooks, online and offline browsing : most websites do use colors now
    - movies : yes you can now watch a dvd on a Z. putting a divx file on the compact flash. Just run:

    mencoder $1 -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vqmin=2:vqmax=20:vmax_b_frames=2: vbitrate=100:vqcomp=0.6 -vop scale=304:176,eq=15 -ofps 20 -zoom -sws 2 -lameopts cbr:br=32:aq=0:mode=3 -o zaurus-movie.avi

    get a decent video player on the Z and voila! You can watch movies in the subway, etc.

    - there is no real justification for B&W now, unless you live in AZ and need to use your device outside my noon on a bright sunny day ;-) Even in that case you can turn off the backlight. The battery problem is not a real problem. There are power outlets everywhere, and with a charger the size of a tic tac box you can carry it around with you and charge when you get a change. Or get a 2nd battery (you can cought up $50 more if you got a $700 device)

    The only thing I really miss is a datebk5 like agenda application and the ability to sync to standard palm desktop software. There's a project (google kitchensync) and jpilot maintainer just told me he would be happy to include compatibility functions but that's still not here for a while.

    I really wonder why someone at sharp thought dropping xml pim formats in the new zaurus was a brilliant idea (!) - yes the PIM sucks and commercial PIM don't do a better than the free software (check korganizer embedded)

    Anyway if you are interested in Z applications, just check killefiz.de, externe.net/zaurus/applications and these 2 articles http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5902 and http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6184

  66. Re:Cons Pros by henley · · Score: 1
    My advice is: pick a laptop or pick a PDA. Make sure that either of them does their respective job well. Don't expect your PDA to be a laptop, and don't expect your laptop to be small enough to put in your pocket (yet!).

    I reject your advice. I carry a Psion 5MX everywhere with me. It's like a PDA, only it's got a proper keyboard. Which means I can take notes and write documents on it. This is a most valuable feature, since it means I can leave my Laptop behind for nearly all meetings etc.

    The fact that it's got perl5, email connectivity, a Spectrum emulator, web browser, etc also is just a complete bonus. The 20hr battery life isn't bad either. However, it is 3 years old and I'm worried about the clamshell screen giving in again so I'm looking for a replacement.

    So, to refute your advice: I am looking for a device with a keyboard that I can put in a shirt pocket (and I don't mind looking like a nerd with a kingsize pocket protector to do so), that I can take notes on, and that ideally has a 2 day (~4-5 hrs) battery life. Running Linux isn't a necessary (I've gotten used to EPOC too), but definitely a plus.

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  67. Re: IMHO not, but what about Doom? by egghat · · Score: 1

    Quite cool, check it out here!

    But if you don't like weired looks of your neighbours, don't play it in the subway ...

    Bye egghat.

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  68. XML sync format by 21mhz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    for some reason they decided to drop the XML format from the PIM

    If this is really so, this means they lost me as a prospective customer. I don't want a Linux PDA to play the same old games with proprietary formats.
    At least, until SyncML synchronization is unavailable for C700, there is little reason for me to prefer it over Pocket PC. Heck, there are SyncML add-ons for Pocket PC already.

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  69. Re:Cons Pros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think thats what he said.

  70. Can any Zaurus Run Mac On Linux? by adzoox · · Score: 1
    Can this run Mac On Linux?

    I have had this question for a long time. A unit this powerful would seem to be able to at least have the speed to run it well. Does the Zaurus run a "standard brew of Linux" that regular Linux programs can be added? If not, how could it be recompiled to do so. Think about a PDA with Photoshop (3.0 would run great) - Mac OS 8.1 with Kaleidoscope to make it look like X.

    Also if such an implementation was made, would the stylus work? Is it recognized as a mouse?

    I run Linux PPC on my Apple Network Server (originally could only run AIX on these) Not Mac OS. I then run mac on Linux VERY FAST, faster than a 200Mhz 604e machine NORMALLY runs it. Although my other machines don't have 3 -15K RPM 16MB cache SCSI Drives and 1 gig of interleaved memory. Still, I would think that flash based memory would give a great "interaction" boost as well.

    Thanks for anyone's input.

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    1. Re:Can any Zaurus Run Mac On Linux? by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 1

      Nope, MOL doesn't run on the Zaurus, but this may be of equal interest.

      Check out this shot of Mac OS running on my Zaurus.

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  71. Re:Cons Pros by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    That's what I said. The visor and the Palm Pilot don't fall into the Palm PC category. They have a very specific set of apps, typically don't play MP3s or have assloads of RAM and their batteries last forever. Or as close to forever as we can make batteries last. If you need a PDA, buy a Visor, Palm Pilot or something along those lines. If you need a general computing device, buy a laptop. The battery will last longer in a laptop and input will be much easier.

    Now if they'd put a real USB port on one of those Palm PC type devices and the package distribution got better, you could make it almost a laptop with a decent USB keyboard.

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  72. Re:Cons Pros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re: not installing to CF.

    Format your CF as ext2 and most everything should install fine. VFAT filesystems can't do everything a Unix filesystem can.

  73. Beautiful screen by ctar · · Score: 1

    I saw this thing in BIC Camera in Shinjuku this weekend. The screen is as beautiful as people say it is. I think its clearer and brigher than the screens on the new Sony Clie's. I actually couldn't even see any pixels.

    One reviewer said that response seems a little slow, especially when opening applications. I have to say that I can vouch for this, at least for the few apps I tried to open (including a basic image viewer).

  74. My Two Cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Zaurus features fantastic hardware with a built in thumbboard that's surprisingly responsive, compact flash and SD slots, an excellent screen, fast processor, etc etc. I have no complaints about the hardware, topnotch stuff.

    The software is an entirely different story. It ranges from quite good to abysmal. The "OS" itself is nice and intuitive, modelled quite straight from standard KDE (if you're not familiar with KDE, it's very Windows like). And although things like a "start menu" don't translate well to the tiny size, the OS is still quite navagable and usable. The Opera web browser is great, the Jeode java virtual machine produces no complaints, media player is great, the to do list, contacts, etc are just fine.

    But the calendar application is awful. It's very buggy. Trying to change an appointment from within the PDA often leads to disaster, with the calendar app left in an unstable state (hard to explain). Attempting to fix the situation usually just leads to appointments being deleted. I've been reduced to only adjusting appointments from my desktop and resyncing, which removes a significant reason for having a PDA in the first place. Just horrible, and the biggest strike against the machine as I feel the calendar app is the most important of the bunch.

    The desktop syncing software is also unfortunately pretty raw. The version that ships with the Zaurus is pretty crippled and old. Newer versions lead to more features (such as the ability to install software), but they have their own unique bugs (such as sometimes the syncing process ignoring your overriding preferences and doing what it wants at times).

    If you're looking for a neat gadget to have some fun with or experiment with, look no further. Unix in your pocket is pretty cool. If you want a solid PDA you can depend on, keep looking. Or at least wait, I suspect a revision or two of the core ROM should change things dramatically. After all, rather small bugs are holding the show back, easily squashed.

    1. Re:My Two Cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had my Treo for 8 months. There have been software issues with the phone which have made connection to my T-Mobile carrier impossible at times. Through several software upgrades this has been resolved. I have not found the phone as dependable as a standard phone unit.

      My phone also recently stopped working completely. Treo would not offer any replacement, even at a discounted price. I've got four months left on my T-Mobile contract, and Handspring is asking for $[money]! to replace my handset. T-Mobile is willing to replace my phone with a Samsung or Nokia unit for $[money].

      Really a bummer, because I liked the unit a lot when it worked.

    2. Re:My Two Cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is easily the best "As Seen On TV" product ever made (I'd like to see Ronco top this marvelous machine). As I am writing this review, I am eating boneless skinless chicken breasts that were made on the George Foreman "Champ" Grill". They are so good that words cannot describe how good they are...just sprinkle some "Mrs. Dash 'Table Blend'" on the chicken breasts before you cook them, put them on the grill, and have a great chicken dinner (only other thing you have to do is find something to go along with the chicken [maybe some white rice]). Cleanup is so easy it's ridiculous! The nonstick surface allows you to clean the grill surface with a soft clean cloth or sponge (dampened with warm water, of course), and the drip tray can go in the dishwasher. Just yesterday I prepared some turkey burgers (from Wampler Foods) on the grill, and it is amazing how much fat will be drained from turkey burgers (even though turkey meat has less fat that ground beef [which is what hamburger patties are made of], it still has fat). The George Foreman Grill really does "cut the fat" from food!

  75. If You Read Slashdot... by zackZ · · Score: 1

    Agreed Zaurus is not for the average Joe, but if you read Slashdot, you definitely need one! :)

  76. Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was not really looking actively for a PDA, but when a good one showed up for a reasonable price on this site, I decided to go with Sharp Zaurus. Before that I have read quite a few positive reviews, and decided that Zaurus seemed to be a good choice.

    While it seemed that Zaurus was a nice little gadget, it's usability as a tool has not met expectations. I travel, I write, I program Java and Perl occasionally, I read email and browse, read books, listen to the music, and that's what I expected to do with this PDA.

    Battery life. Battery life was perhaps the biggest disappointment. Three hours is ok to get you through the day just checking up phone numbers and going back into the hybernate mode, but when I am up for reading a good book on the road trip, the battery life is quite disappointing, especially since newer models from Dell and Compaq boast 7-8 hours for the same kind of color screen.

    Keyboard. While Zaurus features quite an innovative design with built-in keyboard, if your plan is to type a journal entry, extensive email, or a 2-page paper, this PDA won't be of much use. I am a male, which besides some strong points brings in such indispensable attribute as large hands with large fingers, meaning that Zaurus experience was quite a nuisance for me. To be fair, that's probably true for all PDAs, not just this one specifically. But next time I will shop for one that has an external keyboard, Zaurus built-in one was good enough maybe to type two lines of text, not more.

    Applications. There's a wealth of applications for Zaurus out there and I did not feel that I was missing anything important. I discovered that I could not play WMV videos, but that's proprietary Windows format, so it's expectable. Zaurus did a good job playing MPEGs and MP3s, which is what most of my collection is anyway.

    Large documents. You would imagine that a PDA with 200 MHz, 64MB of RAM and about 512 MB total of added Flash card memory would cope with a text file of size 1-2 MB. After all, if you download a book off the Internet, that's the size that is quite common, especially if it's a PDF file with illustrations or some weird page formatting. My old laptop has a Pentium 90Mhz with 16 MB of RAM (don't laugh) and I had no problem dealing with large (larger than 1 MB) Word documents, PDF files or plain TXT documents. On Zaurus this experience proved to be quite painful. The documents sometimes would take 20 minutes (I am not kidding) to load and even then I would get an error about insufficient memory. Small documents under 50K load quickly, but then you can read them in couple of minutes anyway.

    I sold my Zaurus and am on the market for a new PDA. I am OS-agnostic, thus I don't care whether it's Palm, Windows or Linux based device. Now that I have had experience with a pocket computer, I know what to look for.

  77. Linux PDA Problems by QuickerC · · Score: 1
    I switched to Linux as my primary system almost 5 years ago. I only keep a W2k partition so I can keep my R/C flying skills going during the cold winter months using FMS

    I had a Palm with my previous employer, but had to give it back when I took my current position. They gave me an iPaq 3600 that I installed Linux on and I tried both Opie and Qtopia. While I liked all the apps, and the fact I could use Perl (even Perl/Tk), the PIM apps sucked. I struggled with syncing with Evolution, which I need to stay connected with our Corp. Exchange server.

    I really missed the ease of use of my Palm, so I finally gave up and bought a Palm Pilot off ebay for $30. Instead of mucking around with a paritally useful iPaq I have what I want...Palm OS based device that just works.

    Yes, I tried to get used to WindowsCE, but I think the apps suck on that platform too. Another strick against the iPaq was the battery life. It spent more time in the cradle than working for me.

    Quicker

  78. Pocketop by Cwaig · · Score: 1

    So, what exactly does this get me beyond my SL5500 + Pocketop (www.pocketop.net) keyboard?

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  79. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funniest thing I've read today. ;-)

  80. FUCK THE Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jews suck nuts.

  81. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really funny. It's not enough that there are already two Stephen King trolls in this discussion, but now you're trying to perpetrate a Ron Ziegler troll?!? Grow up, troll!

  82. Re:Cons Pros by Moofie · · Score: 1

    Uh, you really confused me when you excluded the set of devices that run PalmOS from your PalmPC "category".

    Ummm, my bad?

    Note that some of Sony's Clie models have mini-USB connections, and the foldable keyboards vary from awful good to spectacular in performance.

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  83. It has the key thing that you want by dan+the+person · · Score: 1

    It is a reflective colour screen!

    "The SL-5500 has a 3.5" 65,536 Color Reflective TFT Front-Lit Screen with 240 x 320 resolution for outstanding graphics and clarity, indoors or out."

    http://www.sharpusa.com/products/ModelLanding/0, 10 58,698,00.html

    The C700 is also reflective but i can't quote the specs cause they are in japanese...

    The C700 is perfectly readable in my office under flourecent lighting with the light completely off. To read it in sunlight you will need the frontlight on though.

  84. Re:Cons Pros by davidhedbor · · Score: 1
    "(http://www.opie.info) will be ported, allowing to put the root filesystem on a SD card thus keeping the while 64M of memory for the system."

    Well, actually, no. First of all _OPIE_ has nothing to do with that (the project formerly known as OpenZaurus, now OpenEmbedded does). However the C700, B500 and upcoming US version of the B500 (5600) already uses (internal) flash for storage. There is no "memory" being used for this - i.e these PDA's have 32 MB of memory and the only way to get more is to use a swap file (or I suppose perform hardware hacks, adding more memory).

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