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Sun To Use AMD Mobile Processor In Blade Servers
An anonymous reader writes "Looks like AMD is finally making some headway into supplying 1st tier business computer makers which the announcement that Sun will use their chips in upcoming blade servers. Apparently CNET can't help but speculate what this means for AMD's 64 bit Hammer."
Sun's toast. Linux is killing them.
Be ready, the floodgates are about to open in the states starting with the east-cost at 0500 GMT
TROLL ON!
Another AMD story...thank god is not a repost..
...or is it just AMD?
Blarf.
This was on Ars Technica today. Check it out:m l
http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1046147898.ht
A somewhat different interpretation of the meaning?
This is VERY interesting news since at this moment Sun is holding their Chip Conference where the future of Sparc is being discussed.
Now we can wait another 5 years for the new blade servers.
would have been more pun-worthy to have hammer/sickle than hammer/blade.
my bad. mod me down.
Rob Malda is a 26-year old white male with a stocky build and a beard. His head is shaved. He responded to my ad to be interviewed for this article wearing only leather pants, leather boots and a leather vest. I could see that both of his nipples were pierced with large-gauge silver rings.
Questioner: I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to prove to me that you're a nullo. Just so that our readers will know that this isn't a fake.
Rob: Sure, no problem. (stands and unbuckles pants and drops them to his ankles, revealing a smooth, shaven crotch with only a thin scar to show where his genitals once were).
Q: Thank you. That's a remarkable sight.
(laughs and pulls pants back up). Most people think so.
Q: What made you decide to become a nullo?
(pauses). Well, it really wasn't entirely my decision.
Q: Excuse me?
The idea wasn't mine. It was my lover's idea.
Q: Please explain what you mean.
Okay, it's a long story. You have to understand my relationship with Michael before you'll know what happened.
Q: We have plenty of time. Please go on.
Both of us were into the leather lifestyle when we met through a personal ad. Michael's ad was very specific: he was looking for someone to completely dominate and modify to his pleasure. In other word, a slave.
The ad intrigued me. I had been in a number of B&D scenes and also some S&M, but I found them unsatisfying because they were all temporary. After the fun was over, everybody went on with life as usual.
I was looking for a complete life change. I wanted to meet someone who would be part of my life forever. Someone who would control me and change me at his whim.
Q: In other words, you're a true masochist.
Oh yes, no doubt about that. I've always been totally passive in my sexual relationships.
Anyway, we met and there was instant chemistry. Michael is a few years older than me and very good looking. Our personalities meshed totally. He's very dominant.
I went back to his place after drinks and had the best sex of my life. That's when I knew I was going to be with Michael for a long, long time.
Q: What sort of things did you two do?
It was very heavy right away. He restrained me and whipped me for quite awhile. He put clamps on my nipples and a ball gag in my mouth. And he hung a ball bag on my sack with some very heavy weights. That bag really bounced around when Michael fucked me from behind.
Q: Ouch.
(laughs) Yeah, no kidding. At first I didn't think I could take the pain, but Michael worked me through it and after awhile I was flying. I was sorry when it was over.
Michael enjoyed it as much as I did. Afterwards he talked about what kind of a commitment I'd have to make if I wanted to stay with him.
Q: What did he say exactly?
Well, besides agreeing to be his slave in every way, I'd have to be ready to be modified. To have my body modified.
Q: Did he explain what he meant by that?
Not specifically, but I got the general idea. I guessed that something like castration might be part of it.
Q: How did that make you feel?
(laughs) I think it would make any guy a little hesitant.
Q: But it didn't stop you from agreeing to Michael's terms?
No it didn't. I was totally hooked on this man. I knew that I was willing to pay any price to be with him.
Anyway, a few days later I moved in with Michael. He gave me the rules right away: I'd have to be naked at all times while we were indoors, except for a leather dog collar that I could never take off. I had to keep my head shaved. And I had to wear a butt plug except when I needed to take a shit or when we were having sex.
I had to sleep on the floor next to his bed. I ate all my food on the floor, too.
The next day he took me to a piercing parlor where he had my nipples done, and a Prince Albert put into the head of my cock.
Q: Heavy stuff.
Yeah, and it got heavier. He used me as a toilet, pissing in my mouth. I had to lick his asshole clean after he took a shit, too. It was all part of a process to break down any sense of individuality I had. After awhile, I wouldn't hesitate to do anything he asked.
Q: Did the sex get rougher?
Oh God, yeah. He started fisting me every time we had sex. But he really started concentrating on my cock and balls, working them over for hours at a time.
He put pins into the head of my cock and into my sack. He attached clothespins up and down my cock and around my sack. The pain was pretty bad. He had to gag me to keep me from screaming.
Q: When did the idea of nullification come up?
Well, it wasn't nullification at first. He started talking about how I needed to make a greater commitment to him, to do something to show that I was dedicated to him for life.
When I asked him what he meant, he said that he wanted to take my balls.
Q: How did you respond?
Not very well at first. I told him that I liked being a man and didn't want to become a eunuch. But he kept at me, and wore me down. He reminded me that I agreed to be modified according to his wishes, and this is what he wanted for me. Anything less would show that I wasn't really committed to the relationship. And besides, I was a total bottom and didn't really need my balls.
It took about a week before I agreed to be castrated. But I wasn't happy about it, believe me.
Q: How did he castrate you?
Michael had a friend who was into the eunuch scene. One night he came over with his bag of toys, and Michael told me that this was it. I was gonna lose my nuts then and there.
Q: Did you think of resisting?
I did for a minute, but deep down I knew there was no way. I just didn't want to lose Michael. I'd rather lose my balls.
Michael's friend restrained me on the living room floor while Michael videotaped us. He used an elastrator to put a band around my sack.
Q: That must have really hurt.
Hell yeah. It's liked getting kicked in the balls over and over again. I screamed for him to cut the band off, but he just kept on going, putting more bands on me. I had four bands around my sack when he finished.
I was rolling around on the floor screaming, while Michael just videotaped me. Eventually, my sack got numb and the pain subsided. I looked between my legs and could see my sack was a dark purple. I knew my balls were dying inside.
Michael and his friend left the room and turned out the light. I lay there for hours, crying because I was turning into a eunuch and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
Q: What happened then?
Eventually I fell asleep from exhaustion. Then the light switched on and I could see Michael's friend kneeling between my legs, touching my sack. I heard him tell Michael that my balls were dead.
Q: How did Michael react?
Very pleased. He bent down and felt around my sack. He said that it felt cold.
Michael's friend told me that I needed to keep the bands on. He said that eventually my balls and sack would dry up and fall off. I just nodded. What else could I do at that point?
Q: Did it happen just like Michael's friend said?
Yeah, a week or so later my package just fell off. Michael put it in a jar of alcohol to preserve it. It's on the table next to his bed.
Q: How did things go after that?
Michael was really loving to me. He kept saying how proud he was of me, how grateful that I had made the commitment to him. He even let me sleep in his bed.
Q: What about the sex?
We waited awhile after my castration, and then took it easy until I was completely healed. At first I was able to get hard, but as the weeks went by my erections began to disappear.
That pleased Michael. He liked fucking me and feeling my limp cock. It made his dominance over me even greater.
Q: When did he start talking about making you a nullo?
A couple of months after he took my nuts. Our sex had gotten to be just as rough as before the castration. He really got off on torturing my cock. Then he started saying stuff like, "Why do you even need this anymore?"
That freaked me out. I always thought that he might someday take my balls, but I never imagined that he'd go all the way. I told him that I wanted to keep my dick.
Q: How did he react to that?
At first he didn't say much. But he kept pushing. Michael said I would look so nice being smooth between my legs. He said my dick was small and never got hard anymore, so what was the point of having it.
But I still resisted. I wanted to keep my cock. I felt like I wouldn't be a man anymore without it.
Q: So how did he get you to agree?
He didn't. He took it against my will.
Q: How did that happen?
We were having sex in the basement, and I was tied up and bent over this wooden bench as he fucked me. Then I heard the doorbell ring. Michael answered it, and he brought this guy into the room.
At first I couldn't see anything because of the way I was tied. But then I felt these hands lift me up and put me on my back. And I could see it was Steve's friend, the guy who took my nuts.
Q: How did you react?
I started screaming and crying, but the guy just gagged me. The two of them dragged me to the other side of the room where they tied me spread eagled on the floor.
Steve's friend snaked a catheter up my dick, and gave me a shot to numb my crotch. I was grateful for that, at least. I remember how bad it hurt to lose my balls.
Q: What was Steve doing at this time?
He was kneeling next to me talking quietly. He said I'd be happy that they were doing this. That it would make our relationship better. That kind of calmed me down. I thought, "Well, maybe it won't be so bad."
Q: How long did the penectomy take?
It took awhile. Some of the penis is inside the body, so he had to dig inside to get all of it. There was a lot of stitching up and stuff. He put my cock in the same jar with my balls. You can even see the Prince Albert sticking out of the head.
Then they made me a new pisshole. It's between my asshole and where my sack used to be. So now I have to squat to piss.
Q: What has life been like since you were nullified?
After I got over the surgery and my anger, things got better. When I healed up, I began to like my smooth look. Steve brought friends over and they all admired it, saying how pretty I looked. It made me feel good that Steve was proud of me.
Q: Do you have any sexual feeling anymore?
Yes, my prostate still responds when Steve fucks me or uses the buttplug. And my nipples are quite sensitive. If Steve plays with them while fucking me, I have a kind of orgasm. It's hard to describe, but it's definitely an orgasm.
Sometimes Steve says he's gonna have my prostate and nipples removed, but he's just kidding around. He's happy with what he's done to me.
Q: So are you glad Steve had you nullified?
Well, I wouldn't say I'm glad. If I could, I'd like to have my cock and balls back. But I know that I'm a nullo forever. So I'm making the best of it.
Steve and I are very happy. I know that he'll take care of me and we'll be together always. I guess losing my manhood was worth it to make that happen for us.
OMG BIG PENIS ATE MY SOUP
After years of touting its own UltraSparc processors as sufficient for all manner of computing, Sun last year bowed to market realities and accepted general-purpose Intel-compatible computers into its server line.
I *think* I know how the market will respond to this as far as AMD is conccernd, I'll be keeping an eye on what this does/means for sun.
Solaris is toast, Linux is kicking its ass
Cringely seems to think that Sun won't last long though, so will there be long-term benefit to AMD?
...they are also making an UltraSPARC server blade.
- A.P.
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Which you like fries which that?
Sun wants 64 bit capability to be a differentiator for Solaris. So they will not rush to use AMD's 64 bit offerings.
OTOH who is going to try to make a go of AMD/64? For sure not any of the system vendors who have commited to IA64. That means no Dell, no IBM, no HP. So there is an opportunity for Sun.
Read Epic the first RPG novel.
I like to eat my girlfriend Susan's pussy! And we like to 69! My cock in her mouth with my tongue licking her pink pussy! Fun!
Oh yeah, and all muslims are evil terrorist fucks. Fuck all the muslims because they are ell evil bastards from hell. They will all go to hell because they are evil! Beware of the muslims!
You don't think they'll make a laptop, and still call it a server?
That not all stories have anything that is +5 (funny) capable. =(
TLoM: Nerds + DDR + Rednecks for the win!
Is today "bash Intel" day? Sure as hell seems like it.
Also seem the "Adverts in articles" on Apr 1 was true.
Sun still talks out of both sides of it's mouth. In one breath they make claims that the UltraSPARC cpu is the most competitive CPU known to mankind, and in the next breath they're releasing non SPARC based systems, LX50 (Intel XEON) and AMD based blades.
Sun CPU engineers are way behind their competition. They're so far behind that their competition is litteraly lapping them in terms of price and performance.
Try and find any decent Sun server benchmarks that prove that their gear is competitive.
You can actually find benchmarks that one can make the direct comparison of an 8 way UltraSPARC 3 to a 4 way Intel Xeon MP! And the Intel based solution is faster and costs 50% or less.
Sun by virtue of their ego is becoming a boutique server/workstation vendor. Think SGI, this is likely Sun's future or worse if they don't start laying more staff off.
Businesses are realizing this, and this is why Sun is taking such a beating.
Solaris is losing ground and purpose every day to Linux. The Ultraspac processor is dieing as well. Java is plauged IMO by terrible VMs, while C# and other proprietary languages are coming out/gaining ground.
I think Sun SERIOUSLY needs to reconsider its place in the market and drop products/get direction. I think a serious partnership with oracle is in order, or putting more behind Java.
looks like sun is going for the underdog in both the os and chip markets with a linux/amd combo. could this be in response to some beliefs that sun is fading? obviously this is good for amd and linux, but what if sun really does go away? will people blame amd hw and/or linux sw?
USE='clever' emerge -u sig
Well, DUH!
Before i getted modded down can someone explain to me about the new story submitting process. Why does it take 8 hours for something to be mentioned on this website that claims to have NEWS. I thought news meant NEW. Guess not at Slashdot. Keep those utterly stupid book reviews coming BOYS ! The guys who are reviewing submittions really are awful.
Either that, or Sun stock will go from its current pathetic value all the way down to penny stock in a couple of days...AMD chips are utterly useless for even a person's desktop. They go down like your momma.
Is it just me, or is 64-bit computing, the hammer, and AMD getting a lot of press for the past few days? I wonder if this is the start of a big media blitz.
"He who would learn astronomy, and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. " -- John Calvin, commenting on Genesis 1
Now we just need for linux to get good support for the 64-bit addressable memory (read: more than 4 gigs).
:Wq
Not an editor command: Wq
More importantly, which chips are they going to use for their dinner servers?
barzelay.net
In any event, the Sun blades aren't in direct competition with commercial Linux offerings (yet), so I don't see how much this will help them. The inclusion of AMD CPUs will only marginally improve costs on the Blades.
Well, many researchers foretold Sun slowly to move to AMD as they enter the x86 market. You would expect that their next move will be low cost (low for Sun) Linux offerings with AMD chips to compete with IBM's $4,000 offerings.
$5, that's my final offer!
A hammer - a star - a blade - make the blade a sickle and we have Communism, folks!
It is now Tuesday on the East Coast, let the trolling begin!
Am I the only one that fails to see the logic here? Since when has solaris been less expensive? On hardware terms too, I would have thought linux is more suited to run on the lower-end boxes. Is this desperation from Sun we're seeing?
I just pieced together an AMD system for myself, an XP2400+, an Asus A7N8X Deluxe, 1Gb DDR333, and a 120Gb HDD. I'd like to see any current Sun workstation beat this combo considering I have OpenGL/Linux well in hand.
If you can't beat 'em... buy their shit and sell it as your own!
I've been watching Ebay for deals on Sun equipment and have never seen something that seems like a good deal. Like I might consider paying $100 for an Ultra10, but thats about it. If they go more mainstream and were to make some kick-ass motherboards for AMD systems they could probably go a long ways. Sun motherboards have mega-bandwidth which is exactly what AMD processors could use. Sun is also noted for scalability; i.e. add a second processor and your system will be nearly twice as fast.
This should be really interesting...
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that doesn't get nearly as much attention as it deserves is, how long will white people allow the various subhuman races to use their computer processors? I mean come on.
I was just configuring Debian on a E450 dev box to bring our servers more in line with our production servers.
What does this mean for Sun? No one knows for sure. Is it the beginning of the end or a stop gap measure until their new processors come out in 2004. The ones all the analysts are so hyper over, not the USIV or USV but the Afara procs.
But what does this mean for AMD? Now every enterprise can ask the question, why not go with AMD? Sun uses their procs... why shouldn't we use them also.
This is just good news for AMD and may be a kick in the groin for Intel to wake up to the 64 bit to the desktop question.
Your mom always said, a PB&J is better than nothing, and God is nothing, is a PB&J better than God?
How about we just kill all the Muslims and call it even? I mean, they are all a bunch of evil fucks anyways...
... that's as long as I've been using it. I don't know the actual time frame when 64-bit support appeared in Linux kernel, but I have read that Linux was the first OS to run on UltraSPARC in 64 bit mode, putting Sun to shame.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
Sun announced today that they will alter their long standing slogan "THE NETWORK IS THE COMPUTER tm"...
To: "The TREK NOW is the CUT ME PRO tm"
~ that is all...move along.
> Sun last year bowed to market realities and accepted general-purpose Intel-compatible computers into its server line. Its first model, the LX50, uses Intel processors.
What about their Cobalt line of RaQ servers. Seems to me they "bowed to market realities" when they acquired Cobalt Systems back in 2000. The LX50 is just a Cobalt RaQ with a faster processor.
I think Cobalt servers make great low-end web servers, and they even run Sun's Brand of Linux (as does the LX50), which I believe is based on RedHat 7.2 (which they also acquired from Cobalt Systems).
Yes, I agree with you about the heat!
Wait, no I don't. Maybe that's because they are using mobile processors with low wattage!
Honestly, I don't even know why that is funny here. I really don't think BSD is dead, and I have nothing against it . . . Slashdot is just really starting to effect me in strange ways.
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For instance, the other day I was making a little presentation to my boss and suddenly used the:
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3. Profit!!
Step list . .
slashdot is going to get me unemployed and single.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
You can't have more than 4 gigs on x86 architecture. It's 32 bit, so it's limited to 4 gigs. I know, I know, Intel has some kind of 36-bit addressing hack, but it's just that -- a hack, like the XMS/EMS memory of the olde DOS days. It's either that or AMD's x86-64 which isn't out yet, but Linux is running quite nicely on the pre-release models. A few months ago, AMD even demoed x86-64 version of SuSE.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
Yes, I agree with you about the heat!
Wait, no I don't. Maybe that's because they are using mobile processors with low wattage!
Dooh! Dang they're onto me. Blow up the planet.
Clickety Click
I've had a number of discussions with folks about this over the last few years.
1) Sun can still afford it.
2) They gain instant credibility in the x86 market.
3) AMD gains credibility in the enterprise (luring really big enterprise customers with real service)
4) Sun gets 2 of the leading 64-bit processor platforms, plus some control over the Windows hardware platform.
5) Sun gets to own their chip manufacturer (rather than rely on stinky TI and Fujitsu for the Sparc line).
6) Sun can control the cost of its Linux platform.
Do, it Sun. . . you know you want to. . . buy them.
They'd use AMDs to compete aggressively with IA64 offerings. As far as I'm concerned, this is Sun's only pathway to survival. Linux is killing their lowend Unix business. They should embrace Hammers and push the crap out of Linux boxes. I personally think they should put out Windows boxes as well but that's uncool to say here.
> ... they are probably preparing for the day when Solaris will be phased out.
They are in business, not gambling, so yes, they need to think about what if, but Solaris is still the core of Sun (like Solaris is the core of N1).
> Wow -- Sun is boosting Linux in a BIG way now.
Why not? Though they were cutting work force dramatically, they are still one of the biggest players in server market and if you look back for the last 10 years, they have achieved quite a lot. 10 years ago, they were nowhere. They were pretty interesting 5 years ago, and now they are competing with players like IBM with head to head, toe to toe. They don't have a big share in low end server market, so they push Linux. Since they built their business around Solaris (Unix), their engineers can easily shift to Linux; training cost is insignificant. So why not?
The negative shift from dot com bubble was so dramatic that, many seem to believe that Sun is turning around the direction that they are going, but I (and probably many other) don't think so. They are in server business, and they are investing a lot there. They established themselves as one of the biggest players in high end server market, so now they are targeting low end as well. While they pursue the whole server market, they push, what they call, N1.
The point is "What's so surprising? What's so unpredictable?"
Because I doubt M$ would honor the 64 bit windows deal if Sun purchased AMD or maybe Sun could use that to pursue more legal manuvering.
Fuck CmdrTaco he is as bent as a banana.
Troll Tuesday is the fucking best. Suck it up nazi moderators, you are da scum.
leet.
Troll fucken weel out.
Troll Tuesday has already been going for 19 and a half hours here. Troll On.
Now for the troll itself:
"In Soviet Russia.. Natalie Portman dies on your *BSD while making a Beowulf Cluster. First Post, Goatse sex."
XP2400+, an Asus A7N8X Deluxe, 1Gb DDR333, and a 120Gb HDD. I'd like to see any current Sun workstation beat this combo
I guess it all depends on what your terms are. Three years ago at work I was working with a simulation that took about 5GB of ram to run (1 process). All of the 2 year old Sun workstations we have now could run this. Sun had equipment, what, 7 or 8 years ago that could. Your PC still can't.
Your PC could no doubt render a beautify, a kick-ass Quake 3 scene. But it would probably suck wind trying to do certain types of CAD displays. It can be very different 3D work from what a PC graphics card is good at (textures & shading). Of course, for what its worth, Sun's new XVR-4000 graphics card can take up to 1GB of memory!
Your PC will be a lot cheaper, and kick-butt. However there are some things a Sun could do that it just couldn't, or would do poorly.
I've been watching Ebay for deals on Sun equipment and have never seen something that seems like a good deal.
It all depends what you are looking for.
There are so many of the bloody bastards though.
While you could just nuke most of the Middle East, places like Indonesia are more difficult. The towel heads have far to many island to hide on.
A better idea may be just to take out the city of Mecca with a nuke. Every towel jockey has to visit it at least once during their lifetime, so hopefully you could give them all radioactive sickness.
Once we have good alternatives to oil we can just give the fuckers a big finger. Then let the desert and petty tribal instincts take out and so wipe out the cunts.
Sun has used AMD CPU's before, although not in the primetime in their servers. They did use them in the SunPCi cards for workstations. I still have one.
The reason that Sun used AMD (the K6-2, I believe) instead of a Pentium, like they did with the SunPCi 2, is that at the time it made more sense price-wise. I see no difference here.
Contrary to popular belief, life is not a bitch. It is far far worse.
BUY AMD /.ers you have to BUY AMD....
AMD... AMD... AMD.
So much adverstising... I just went and bought my AMD XP 1700+
Did you? You 'get it' when you get that Sun is still trying to figure out what is what... :)
"Looks like AMD is finally making some headway into supplying 1st tier business computer makers which the announcement that Sun will... They mean "with the announcement" not "which the announcement"
Repeal the DMCA!
that will produce enough heat to be worthy of its namesake.
my pet machine
Look at all the non-reading fools posting...
These are the notebook AMD XP-M CPU's.
That means low power and heat.
It also means no 64bit support.
If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. - James Madison
> [...] Notice that Sun doesn't even make the list. Not even their super-fantabulous E15K!
The Sparc architecture is an open standard. Fujitsu has a long tradition of taking it to the max, though at a steep price.
This is similar to the x86 area. The availability of top-notch systems from IBM or HP does not hurt Dell, it helps them. Customers like to know that there is an enhancement to their el-cheapo equipment. If they feel like solving problems by money, they can.
Post tenebras lux. Post fenestras tux.
Look at this fool who selectively reads only a portion of the article and then proceeds to suggest others have not read it.
You jackass! We KNOW the article begins talking about XP-M CPUs. Hell, that's the banner of the article on news.com.com afterall! But if you would take just a few seconds and read further, there is much speculation about an AMD relationship and what it might mean regarding 64-bit platform.
Go here for a really good CPU comparison.
The Internet is full. Go Away!!!
I'm looking into buying a server for running an EJB container. What options do I have?
1) Sun SPARC. Buy a Fire 280R for 7999$
2) IBM x86. Netfinity XSERIES 305 for about 1500$ with 2.67GHz P4.
Ok, the IBM one don't have Fibre Channel hard disks, but so what? I don't need them. For running Java, x86 is THE choice. Sun will still be the choice for running Oracle, but for how long?
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Who modded the grandparent up to +5?!!! Check the facts? Dell certainly IS cheaper
Err, they're using 1.2GHz AthlonXP-M processors. Those chips have a maximum power consumption of somewhere on the order of 25W, plus they have relatively advanced power saving features which can reduce power consumption dramatically when not going full-out. For comparison, Intel's P4-M processors at 1.6GHz use 30W of power or more and their "power saving" features (SpeedStep) is quite poor.
:> )
I'd actually guess that the main reason why Sun chose AMD over Intel is largely due to the heat issue and the fact that AMD's chips run cooler (despite what the uniformed masses at Slashdot might have us beleive
Intel? haha
It has been reported by many companies that they could not get the 2k-3k Sun offerings to perform the way their 250,000k servers performed. The 4k IBM Linux servers could, however. It is pointless to mention the below 250,000k Sun servers in this discussion because they [i]come nowhere near[/i] the performance of the 4k IBM Linux offerings.
1) commoditize your hardware! (Intel/AMD x86 chips)
2) commoditize your software! (Linux, free software)
3) $$$!!!!
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
Moderate this thread or comment on it....hmmmm
I had to comment because I saw quite a few posts on the ability of Sun's slaes staff to reduce you too feeling like a non-human, loser who isn't worthy of their products because you are only spending 25, 50 or 75K worth of gear.
I work for an MSP and we do a lot of business with Sun (although we have sold more Dell/Linux solutions that Sun Solaris at the 3:1 ratio in the last 9 months). I am really tired of dealing with them. I even get attitude fromt heir teir 1 support! When a tier 1 peon asks me if I am sure that the drive is broken 3 times, and then tells me to get someone else to check it I get very angry and feel like cramming that drive down his stupid throat!
I mean really....I was supporting this stuff since before he was even a twinkle in his father's eyes. Am I not a repeat and well paying customer? Did we not spend several million dollars with Sun in the past? Do they not want to continue this relationship? I ask my sales rep these questions everytime I call....and he promptly hangs up on me.....BASTARDS!
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Maybe you should read this for some hints as to what might be in store for UltraSPARC in the future. Suddenly it doesn't look as bleak as the nay-sayers would have us believe.
Stick Men
Sun To Use AMD Mobile Processor In Blade Servers
blade + mobile CPU + wheels + Handle + Rent-a-thug = new age of mobile power computing.
Coming soon: Rent-a-Render-Farm, feel the need for some 3d imagery while camping or at the mall?
However, the UltraSPARC V will have an architecture that differs from the UltraSPARC VI. In other words, Sun doubts that the UltraSPARC V will be a good design, so Sun has planned early to terminate its architectural descendants. Sun is willing to forgo recouping its financial investment in the architecture of the UltraSPARC V.
Sun switching from the UltraSPARC V to the Afara-based UltraSPARC would be like Intel switching from the Itanium 2 to a 64-bit x86. If Intel did this switch, we would conclude that Intel does not believe in the Itanium 2. Same goes for Sun.
Thats only according to Kevin Krewell of Microprocessor Report, not David Yen VP of SPARC at SUN.
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The new Afara CPU is supposed to excel at handling many threads simultaneously, small computation, high volume transactions. Something which SPARC doesn't excel at. I doubt SUN will market Afara as SPARC, they will probably launch a new CPU range aimed more at the low end/blade segment and keep pushing the newer SPARCs (which are rumoured to have a large amount of asynchronous circuitry amongst other innovations).
Remember SPARC is a consortium of tech companies who have designed and developed the architecture - I doubt SUN will be allowed to call the new Afara chip UltraSPARC VI, what SPARC technology will it use ?
SUN are struggling with Cheetah (USIII) and they have a lot to prove with Jaguar (USIV), also I've no doubt SUN will go with Afara in a big way after the launch of UtraSPARC V (Millenium) but not neccessarily as a replacement
Just to add a little air freshener (FACTS!) to the stench (ignorance) that wafts so stinkingly from SlashDot!
OK, I posted the parent post and I juts founf out Afara licensed SPARC when they designed the chip SUN is touting for release after USV ...
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Still SUN has plenty in USV that Afara don't have in their SPU and I'm still predicting 2 CPU lines
Just so I dont look completely stupid
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