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Sonicblue files for Chap 11

An anonymous reader writes "ReplayTV and Rio maker Sonicblue is a goner, filing for bankruptcy and selling their assets to D&M, the Japanese parent company of Denon and Marantz. No word what will happen to all those Replay users out there -- that $140 deal on Amazon isn't looking so hot now, is it?"

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  1. I guess they had to sell the dept. too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "from the dept."

    Pretty sad. Can't even afford their dept. here on Slashdot.

    1. Re:I guess they had to sell the dept. too by jmoriarty · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is a NULL in there that you missed. "from the (NULL) dept." implies that SonicBlue has turned into nothing, and that if anyone tries to dereference their assets it will blue-screen the parent company's accounting. See? It is a coding reference and a Microsoft dig all in one!

  2. Keeping my fingers crossed for Tivo by fetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hopefully Tivo won't go the same route. Fortunately, if it did, the active Tivo hackers community would probably provide some solutions for replacing the discontinued service portion of the Tivo product.

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    1. Re:Keeping my fingers crossed for Tivo by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's going to take a while; because of the massive investment in "infrastructure" set up for TiVo with regard to its database of programming information, from which the guide gets its data and from which season passes, wish lists, thumbs up/down and autonomous recordings flow.

      The roll-your-own crowd seems to think a free replacement for TiVo is as simple as putting together some inexpensive hardware and throwing one's luck to the wind in hopes that guide data can be pulled from the net. However, after using one for a few months now, I can say that the value added by the TiVo service is not something that can be inexpensively provided by goodwill alone.

    2. Re:Keeping my fingers crossed for Tivo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Couple this with a good card that does TV out, and you've got a go. I have one, it works great.

      The hardware for a roll-your-own is still too pricey to make it worthwhile, as this card costs as much as a tivo, but that will no doubt change.

      There's no reason you can configure a PC to do one thing and do it well. That's what I did with the media box I put this card in. Well, it does more than one thing, also works as a MAME box. Runs a P3 600, and has no problem recording TV in the background while playing Mortal Kombat.

      I agree with doing one thing and doing it well, but it's also nice to only have one box sitting by your TV.

      Sorry for all the compusa links... I found the card for 100 bucks and the case for 150, but I didnt feel like googling for better links.

    3. Re:Keeping my fingers crossed for Tivo by irving47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You really do need to go ahead and get one. It probably sounds cliche to say, "It will change your TV viewing experience," but, "It WILL change your TV viewing experience." :)

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    4. Re:Keeping my fingers crossed for Tivo by The_K4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm just hoping that someone releases a DVR, and before eveyone startes screaming TiVo i said DVR not PVR. As in a dumb box that doesn't have a service, taht doesn't require a phone line that is just a VCR with a HDD. I don't care about comercial skipping, or it knowing what's on. I just want it to be able to record (preferably 2 programs at a time but 1 will do) to an internal HDD. I HATED Tivo. First it kept trying to dial the phone while i was ON IT! It started taping things I didn't want.....I watch Law and Order all the time, so it started taping NYPD Blue which i don't like...couldn't get it to stop taping it. Infact on 2 occations it taped that INSTEAD of what i asked it to tape at the same time. When I went on vacation it had tried to dial up it's home base, somehow froze and left my phone off the hook for almost a week. Then TiVo wanted $250 to replace the internal modem to fix it..... I know i'm probably in the minority having had this kinda problems, but I really didn't want the menus and all the extras in the first place. I just want a basic DVR! Ok, i'l stop ranting and raving now.

  3. A bargain opportunity, perhaps? by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, what kind of opportunities does this present to the home user? Presumably we're going to see lots of these units showing up on eBay - can't you just use it as a standalone PVR without the service???

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    1. Re:A bargain opportunity, perhaps? by flagstone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There have been a few posts along the line of "is my ReplayTV worthless without the service" ... but the article doesn't actually say that the service is going away, just that the assets have been sold to D&M. It's early days yet, but has anyone seen anything about their intensions? It's possible (maybe not likely, though) that the service and development will continue under the new owners.

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    2. Re:A bargain opportunity, perhaps? by jbarr · · Score: 4, Informative

      To answer your question specifically, NO. The current version of the ReplayTV software requires service connection. If there is no guide information, you CANNOT record anything. For newer boxes, if you paid for the lifetime service, you can use it to manually record, but if you are paying month-to-month, then you are outa luck. As for older models, you need the guide information to record.

      Also, and this is critical, service connection is required to set the clock.

      I have three ReplayTV boxes ("upgraded" 2001, stock 2020, and new 5040), and if the service gets cut, I am screwed.

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  4. Too bad. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wished Matsushita Electric (the parent company of Panasonic) had bought out SonicBlue at least a couple of years ago.

    Panasonic could have kept the ReplayTV PVR and Rio players as a viable line of products or at least incorporated its technology into Panasonic products.

    This is why I think TiVo will be purchased by Sony fairly soon, given that Sony already is committed to using Linux for consumer product development and also Sony is a TiVo licensee. Given Sony's name recognition, TiVo products could really become popular under Sony's stewardship.

    1. Re:Too bad. by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's an interesting one... Sony products do resemble the quality that the Rio line had.

      I dropped my original Rio on hard tile floor once. The front little controll pad popped off and the battery fell out. It still works to this day.

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  5. What's wrong with Diamond MM??? by Clockwurk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm kind of curious why Diamond and its offshoots have such a tough time staying afloat in today's market. Diamond made really good video cards, then got bought S3 (and hasn't been seen since). Now Sonicblue (Diamond Rio) has gone under. I really want to know if they just weren't as popular a brand as I thought or if they were very poorly managed.

    1. Re:What's wrong with Diamond MM??? by Watts+Martin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From what I've heard from a person or two who used to work there, they were very poorly managed--rampant internal problems from massive employee theft to bungled (if not outright fraudulent) accounting.

      After the reorganization that led to the creation of Sonicblue (the video card operations were sold off, I think to ATI), they never really got back on their feet. Cool MP3 players are a nice "in addition to" business but not a core business, and once they bought ReplayTV it all but vanished from the marketplace--I don't know what happened with that, but I'm guessing they zigged when the market zagged.

  6. Damn! by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bought the original Rio, I bought the RIO mp3-cd player, and I even had bought stock. I was hoping that they would turn it around after seeing their advisory a few months ago. It's too bad that SonicBlue didn't capture the digital media market, they entered too early.

    I guess when the big coporations started selling their mp3 players it was all over. Damn.

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    1. Re:Damn! by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 2, Funny

      I already sold it... I KNEW someone was gonna score a funny moderation point off that one!

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  7. TiVO may benefit...or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, now that SonicBlue seems to be out of the picture, now the only major retailer of PVR technology is TiVO. Unless you count UltimateTV, which I guess is still being sold, but I haven't seen ads or any indication of Microsoft pushing it for a long time.

    Tivo COULD do well by this, since if support for ReplayTV drops dead, users of ReplayTV will still want SOME kind of PVR (and I'm not talking about those who are willing to waste days and weeks hacking the box, here)...or, could make it harder on them, since the MPAA and their relatives now only have one big company to focus on.

    The next business quarter will probably be a turning point for PVR technology. TiVO has a better chance of surviving if those that are orphaned by ReplayTV move over to it. If they don't, TiVO instead will be 'hanging on' for some time, and its fate (and ability to manage lawsuits like the one ReplayTV got, DMCA-wise) will be a lot more uncertain.

    1. Re:TiVO may benefit...or not by Dielectric · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TiVO shouldn't have any more problems with lawsuits than it has right now. By not having a few key features that ReplayTV had, TiVO has successfully skirted a lot of those issues. Commerical skipping and program sharing were two biggies that would likely bring down the thunder, but TiVO has smartly avoided that. Yes, I know TiVO has a secret code for 30-second skip, but I tried it and it sucked. I like the fast-forward much better.

      The TiVO hacking community has been careful about allowing program sharing for these reasons as well. None of us want to see TiVO go down for some dumb lawsuit.

      I think this is probably good for TiVO in some respects, but the uncertainty it will cast for PVRs in general will probably overshadow the good bits. Man, double metaphor. What do I win?

    2. Re:TiVO may benefit...or not by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Go check the statistic for yourself, but DishPVR has a larger customer base than TiVo at this time.

      Microsoft discontinued their side of the UltimateTV product line and sold the ongoing support to DirecTV.

      TiVo is more widely known because they have been friendly to their customers, and have not fought customers that are interested in seeing what more they can do with the TiVo products, so long as theft of service is not an issue.

      TiVo has also been reasonably sensible wrt usability and features when it comes to protecting the broadcasters. The 30 second skip is not advertized as a feature, and is not documented in the product literature. It is not a blank seaker, which is more accurately what Replay did, so you do have to fiddle around looking for the end of the commercials, though it is not as bad as watching 20 30 second comercials every 5 min of programming.

      Then again, that's my opinion. You have fun with your own.

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    3. Re:TiVO may benefit...or not by zsmooth · · Score: 4, Informative

      TiVo is more widely known because they have been friendly to their customers, and have not fought customers that are interested in seeing what more they can do with the TiVo products, so long as theft of service is not an issue.

      Preface: I have Tivo. I love Tivo.

      The Series 2 (with 3.2 software) is hardly hackable at all. A boot PROM checks the signatures of the kernel and all startup files and replaces anything which has been changed before booting. No adding anything to rc init files like on the Series 1. A couple hackers at tivocommunity have socketed their PROM chips and flashed new ones which bypass the ROM checks, but they still haven't succeeded in getting MyWorld (the main tivo app) up and running.

      Even if they do manage it, which I'm sure they will, socketing your PROM is still way out of the level of expertise of almost all Tivo users. The general consensus is that the chip is not flashable on board either (long debates about this, as some Tivos appear to ship with PROMs that ARE flashable on board, but even on those there's no way to actually run a flashing utility on the machine since there's no way to get a shell prompt once the box boots because you need to disable the PROM... you see where this is going.)

      I don't fault Tivo for this - they are certainly showing they work hard to keep people from being able to extract video, which will probably be good for them in the long run. They're still cool about hard drive upgrades, but that's about all the hacking you can do on the newest units.

  8. ReplayTV gone? by Herkum01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't ReplayTV is going to disappear anytime soon. The company may be liquidating it's assets but anything(ReplayTV subscriptions) that has a steady revenue stream is bound to be of interest to someone.

    1. Re:ReplayTV gone? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True for the older units, like mine, but not for the newer ones.

      I'm pretty sure the company that's buying Replay, D&M holdings will use this opportunity to invalidate the lifetime subscriptions for the older players, in an attempt to either force us to buy new units, or cough up subscription fees.

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    2. Re:ReplayTV gone? by coloth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      use this opportunity to invalidate the lifetime subscriptions for the older players, in an attempt to either force us to buy new units, or cough up subscription fees.

      I hope you're wrong, and I think it would be very foolish of D&M to do this. I am one of the early ReplayTV customers. I have a Replay 2020 which I've upgraded, swapping in an 80GB drive for the 20GB. The original cost of the machine to me was $700, and the drive cost about $300 (80GB were just out at the time).

      So, with $1000 sunk into my machine, I was hoping to not replace it until I jump to HD, probably next year.

      What I would say is that, this may be kind of like the airlines and their frequent fliers. If an airline goes into bankrupcy, the mileage plans are generally safe because the company doesn't want to alienate their best customers.

      I think the same may apply here.

      However, when I upgrade to an HD unit in the next 18 months, I fully expect to pay a monthly. So, if they're nice to me, they might have a nice little sale there.

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  9. Arghh.... by Kr3m3Puff · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After much research I bought my ReplayTV a month ago. I love the thing. With the commercial skip and the quick advance, I actually enjoy my favorite shows now.

    I wonder if D&M will try to maintain the unique value that ReplayTV presents. It is a hackers paradise. I also paid my $299 for lifetime activation. I also got an e-mail asking about a future product that was just a ReplayTV player that would stream video from your recorder to the player in another room. I was really excited about that as well...

    SonicBlue did such a great job buying up all these cool gadgets, I wonder what really went to their demise?

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  10. Can't say I'm sad by Bastian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My brother and I have both owned RioVolt players. Between the way they both just quit working after about a year (as did their replacements) and the way they had this habit of just crashing if you push the volume button too quickly or when they encountered a cooked mp3, I'm not too happy with the quality of their products. To make matters worse, I have tried to use their e-mail tech support several times, and have never been able to get a response.

  11. TiVo is becoming a verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Much like Google. Even if it's not in everyone's homes yet, most people know what it is. ReplayTV was just their unsuccesful competitor.

  12. Make Replay Open Source! by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it would benefit the customers if they were to make Replay Open Source. The vast experience and technical know-how of the Open Source developer community would allow the natural evolution of Replay which would introduce a lot of new functionality.

    It would be a shame not allow the Open Source developer community complete access to Replay.

    Only when we provide a simple way of cracking encrypted PayTV channels can we wrest control away from HBO.

    Which is nice.

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    1. Re:Make Replay Open Source! by Artifex · · Score: 2, Informative
      It would be a shame not allow the Open Source developer community complete access to Replay.


      Even if they don't, as long as their schedule subscription service stays around, it's still a good box for hackers to play with - the 4xxxx and 5xxxx series talk to each other with a kind of XML to send programs back and forth, and they have NICs on board, so as you can imagine, it's not impossible to write software for your computer that emulates the request functions of another ReplayTV and sends the program direct to your hard drive in a nice MPEG format.

      I was looking into getting one, and if there's confirmation that the service will continue for at least 3 years, I'll probably buy one with a lifetime subscription (which apparently allows manual recording) based on this... just think - a PVR that you don't have to upgrade the drive for internally, because you can download everything from it (and back to it), and no hacking shell necessary.

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  13. chapter 11 dosent mean theyre dead by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 2, Informative

    It means theyre fucked up, and need some time to gather their maoney and pay off debts. Its not good, but its not the end.

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  14. No Surprise by Jack+Comics · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is no surprise. I saw this coming months ago. In early December of 2002, I purchased a Sonicblue ReplayTV 5040 as an early Christmas present for myself. I set it up three weeks later, the week of Christmas. It worked fine for about a month, no problems. However, suddenly, while watching a recorded episode of "Enterprise" on Sunday, January 19th, about halfway through the episode, the ReplayTV got stuck, with no movement whatsoever. The unit failed to respond to any remote control-issued commands. I then turned the power off and back on, and it was stuck at the boot-up screen. I tried unplugging it altogether, replugging it, but got the same thing. I called Sonicblue technical support a few days later, and they agreed that the machine was broke, and asked me to send it in and I'd get a new ReplayTV 5040 unit in return ASAP.

    I shipped out my broken ReplayTV 5040 unit, waited about two weeks, and did not hear or receive anything from Sonicblue, and noticed that my credit card was still being charged the monthly service fee. I called Sonicblue back up, and asked what was going on, and they said they were out of ReplayTV 5040s, and asked me to be patient while I wait to get mine. I noticed the last week of February, that I was charged another monthly service fee. I called Sonicblue back up for a third time, and they said they would suspend my account temporarily until I got my new ReplayTV, but they would not refund me the two months of service charges that I got no service for. When I asked what the status was of my new ReplayTV 5040 unit, I was told they still have not received any new units, and asked me to continue being patient and wait.

    Well, it's a month later, two months after I sent my broken ReplayTV 5040 unit into Sonicblue, and I still haven't received a new or repaired unit. At this point, I doubt I ever will. Oh well, that was $320 wasted. :(

    From what I hear, TiVo has been having similar trouble. It's a shame, DVR was a fantastic idea, but it doesn't appear to have really caught on with the consumers, and being fought by Hollywood and television executives didn't help any. I guess I should just go back to using a VCR and buy a Super VHS VCR in the meantime, heh.

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    1. Re:No Surprise by Sircus · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you bought it with your credit card, talk to your credit card company. You should be able to get a full refund, with the possible exception of the service fee for the month for which you did have service.

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    2. Re:No Surprise by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Funny

      However, suddenly, while watching a recorded episode of "Enterprise" on Sunday, January 19th, about halfway through the episode, the ReplayTV got stuck, with no movement whatsoever.

      That's a new feature in the latest PVRs. They can detect when you've been laying around in Cheetos-stained underwear watching Star Trek for more then 7 hours. They're doing this to avoid lawsuits from fat people for ruining their lives.

  15. Not another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (sigh) Another fine US electronics company bites the dust... When are American companies going to learn that overhyping, overmarketing, underdeveloping products just doesn't work? I'm so tired of buying products that look they were beta tested by chimps. Look at the Motorola T720 cell phone released by Verizon... This one passed through Verizon's supposedly rigorous testing process. The software on the first release was so buggy that Verizon actually recalled the hardware, even though a simple software upgrade would've sufficed. The lastest firmware versions aren't much better. It took me five minutes to realize that the software was sh*t, due to the screen being garbled by going through menus.

    Even the company that makes Chia pets recently filed for bankruptcy. Apparently there was too much money being spent on "Ch-Ch-Ch-Chia" ads and not enough on quality control. Rumor has it that over 50% of the Chia pets that made it to store shelves were cracked or broken. Of the remaining good ones, 4% had missing seed packets (!) and 8% had dud seeds. Depressing.

    1. Re:Not another one! by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't understand what that has to do with Sonic Blue. They don't make Motorola phones or Chia Pets. They do make the ReplayTV, and I don't think they overhyped or overmarketed it. And I definitely don't think it was underdeveloped, though it does have room for improvement.

      On the hype side, they couldn't hype this thing enough. I bought one of the first generation units, and was hooked. I can't watch TV without it anymore. I no longer have to schedule anything around TV shows. Everyone I know who has a ReplayTV (or Tivo) thinks it is the best thing ever. If you haven't used one or don't watch TV, it does sound ridiculous. But if you got one for a week or so, you'd realize how great it is.

      As for marketing, I have seen a few ads in magazines for Tivo and Replay. I think I may have seen a Tivo commercial on TV. That is a far cry from overmarketed.

      Perhaps if they had been able to market better, there would have been more success. People see PVRs as "fancy VCRs", and in that respect can't justify the price tag. VCRs are in teh $100 range, so why spend $500+ for the "same thing".

      And as for "underdeveloped", I disagree. This was a totally new type of device. Yes, it is the digital evolution of the VCR, but it went WAY beyond that. When I tried out the DishPVR (long after I was a replay convert), it was basically a digital VCR. All recordings were time+channel based (thursday 8:00-8:30 ch 5). The DishPVR simply replaced a VHS tape with a hard drive.

      ReplayTV and Tivo, on the other hand, took advantage of the hard drive and the fact that the device was a computer and did much more. You could record every episode of Friends just by setting up a show-based recording. It could catch the prime-time episode and all reruns on any station. If a show changes time slots, the replaytv follows it (South Park is a good example). Tivo can even reccommend shows for you based on what you choose to record, though I've never used that feature (i watch enough TV as it is.. I don't need my TV telling me to watch more).

      Neither device ever seemed like beta quality to me, or like it was released too soon. There are occasional glitches, but they are few and far between (far less than on some popular computer operation systems). I think both companies knew they were breaking new ground, and knew that they couldn't survive with a half-assed product.

      I think this is another case of a product that was ahead of its time. As I said above, most people don't get it. Its one of those things you have to try in order to understand what it really does for you. The TV industry was against it because it changed their model, and just like the RIAA says, change is bad.

      While this may be "another fine US electronics company bit[ing] the dust", its surely not for the reasons you suggest.

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  16. TiVo's savior: Sony. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my personal opinion, the only way TiVo will continue to survive is to merge with a larger company.

    That company is Sony Corporation. There are two good reasons for this: 1) Sony already has experience using Linux for consumer products, so developing for TiVo will not require a new learning curve for their engineers, and 2) Sony already is a licensee of TiVo technology.

    With the recognition of one of the best-known brands in the world and Sony's powerful marketing muscle, Sony could incorporate TiVo technology into HDTV tuner boxes (cable, over-air, and DBS) and even onto projection TV units. It's even possible that Sony could even merge TiVo technology into products derived from the successor to the PlayStation 2.

    1. Re:TiVo's savior: Sony. by mgs1000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Expect, if that happens, Sony will replace the hard drive in the Tivos with memory sticks.

    2. Re:TiVo's savior: Sony. by irving47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can see why a lot of people would think it would be a good match, but Sony is too big in a bad way, in that the DRM would get cumbersome and we'd end up with commercials we couldn't fast forward through, and DivX-like restrictions on movies we want to record.

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    3. Re:TiVo's savior: Sony. by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe, but you know that if Sony buys TiVo you can kiss TiVo's cool hackableness goodbye.

      Sony would replace that little picket security fence that the TiVo developers put up with a big-ass "GET THE FUCK OUT" sign. And the recordings will surely be smothered in DRM.

  17. FYI, chap 11 vs 7 by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the good ole US of A, chapter 11 is reorganization. This gives a the company protection from creditors to get its house in order. Companies often come out of chapter 11.

    Chapter 7 is liquidation. This company, as they say, is no more. This is for companies that are looking for an organized sell-off of assets.

    More info at 411bankruptcy.com.

    So SonicBlue is not necessarily gone for good. However, if they are selling off their major product lines, I wonder how they plan to achieve profitability.

    1. Re:FYI, chap 11 vs 7 by Galvatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      It should also be pointed out that the vast majority of Chapter 11 filing fail, and the company has to end up liquidating. See Loki Games as fairly recent example of a company that filed Chapter 11 and ended up in Chapter 7. For that matter, United Airlines looks like another that's headed for the trashbin.

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    2. Re:FYI, chap 11 vs 7 by Watts+Martin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, if they are selling off their major product lines, I wonder how they plan to achieve profitability.

      My bet is that they don't plan to--they plan to take the money from the asset sales and "wind down operations," as the euphemism goes. While the usual IANAL disclaimer applies, I think the reason for Chapter 11 in this case may simply be that the Chapter 7 liquidation proceedings give less control over what's left of your company's assets, and the sale thereof, than Chapter 11 proceedings do.

  18. sales had to be affected by rumors by asv108 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think a lot of people stayed away from purchasing ReplayTV units due to the company's financial situation. Consumers don't want to fork over $400 for a PVR when there questions as to whether the company will exist in a few months time. I think they also overestimated the market for people looking for broadband enabled PVR's. A year ago, ReplayTV's were ridiculously expensive, not many people are willing pay $1000 for a PVR. Trying to dump them on the market as a last ditch effort to get new customers just increases the speculation as to the viability of the company.

  19. I got one by hendridm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe he meant "debt" instead of "dept", or maybe just "from the debt dept"?

  20. Disappointed TiVo owner by mjh · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As a TiVo owner, I'm really disappointed by this news. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT disappointed by my TiVo. I love it. You can have it after you've pried it from my cold dead fingers. But competition is a good thing. I liked the fact that TiVo had competition. It kept TiVo afraid of losing customers and forced them to make customer desires a priority.

    Now, there's no competition and anyone who is addicted to PVR functionality is basically stuck with TiVo. (MythTV not withstanding.) And TiVo now has little reason to fear the loss of customers, so they have less reason to actually improve the product.

    I love my TiVo, but this I think this is a bad thing.

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  21. Re:Class Action Lawsuit? by Dielectric · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yep, I think you're screwed Mr. Nick.

    More people in the US have outhouses than PVRs. I think that was in Newsweek or something. You may love your ReplayTV, but those poor people in the Blue Ridge Mountains don't even have indoor plumbing. Just for some perspective, I know you love your PVR as I do mine.

    You could sue, I suppose, but there would be no point in suing a company with no money!

  22. Denon & Merantz is HIGHLY respected by cybrthng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These companies have TOP NOTCH "consumer" digital equipment from receivers, dvd players to high end display devices.

    I personally think this is a *GOOD* thing as i can't wait to see what comes up and out of this!!

  23. LA Times analysis of DVR market by Krelnik · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The LA Times had an interesting article just Monday about the failure (so far) for DVRs to really take off in the consumer marketplace. Quote: "it must be said that the revolution is way behind schedule. Far from being an indispensable household appliance, the DVR remains a device of cliquish partiality."

    Read it here (free registration required, yadda, yadda):
    Mass Rollout of DVR Technology Stuck on 'Pause'

  24. Re:Class Action Lawsuit? by guacamolefoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I purchased a Replay TV 4040 when it was bleeding edge. Now what? Am I screwed? Seems like if they stop providing the guide, with no way to get the software to use another guide they are not providing the service I paid for! Can we sue? I'm sure there will be tons of unhappy people if they just turn it off.

    Yes, you can sue. You can always sue. You will not win, because bankruptcy stays suits against the debtor. I see no reason a court would lift the automatic stay under these circumstances.

    Essentially, you are in the position of an unsecured creditor of Sonic Blue. In other words, YF, with some emphasis on the "F".

    GF.

  25. Why no subscription free PVR by fruey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If only you could get a PVR that just worked, and was programmable like a VCR, with Showview or some other listings, and could pause live TV?

    Ideally the box would compress MPEG-2 or 4, and allow you to interface it to a PC for archiving of old shows onto a SVCD or VCD format / MPEG-2 / DivX.

    Wait... what am I saying? Why not just buy a PC with an ATI All-in-wonder card?

    PVR will only work if there's enough take up. Sky, in the UK, as well as Canal+ in France, are setting up their next generation to go PVR, as *part* of the regular satellite subscription service. This will work. Sadly, the cable companies were not in on the deal with SonicBlue. If they had been, and could have charged $10 extra per month for it or something, and made a deal on hardware, then it would be workable. You cannot beat the giants, they will be right behind with their products.

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    1. Re:Why no subscription free PVR by Zathrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      If only you could get a PVR that just worked, and was programmable like a VCR, with Showview or some other listings, and could pause live TV?

      Sure. Are you willing to pay $500 for it? That's how much the hardware costs. Ooops... forgot. You're not spreading the software development costs out over a monthly subscription... up that to $750 then.

      and allow you to interface it to a PC for archiving of old shows

      Oh... up it to $1000. We're gonna get our pants sued off.

      Wait... what am I saying? Why not just buy a PC with an ATI All-in-wonder card?

      Because the interface sucks rocks. Actually, sucking rocks would be an improvement on the interface and recording quality.

      Frankly, the monthly fees aren't really for the guide data - yeah, some of the costs go to that and to the dialup/web servers to support the customer base, but the vast majority covers development costs and day-to-day operations. If you're willing to have a PVR that will never have a software update, never have new features, and has to rely on the amazingly crappy show data that is broadcast in sideband (ala VCRPlus+) then you could get a standalone PVR. But it's going to be around $500 to cover the hardware and development.

      Or I can sell you one for $400, then charge you ~$10/month or a largish lifetime fee, provide software updates, new features, oh, and better guide data. As business models go, I'll take the second one.

      You're right about the giants coming though -- most cable operators are looking to provide PVR style functionality soon. But wow are they crippled. Of course, it may not matter - the boxes are cheap (usually free) and the monthly fee just becomes another line item on a $100/mo cable bill. I keep hoping that TiVo, at least, will be able to fight a lot of these guys on a patent basis, but it seems unlikely.

  26. It's a damn shame, but I can't say I'm surprised by Galvatron · · Score: 2, Informative
    I recently bought at Rio Sport 35S. I loved the idea of 128 megs (upgradable to 256) with no moving parts, but the sad fact is it's rather poorly engineered. I'm not sure if it's the cold, or static electricity, or what, but I can't walk around outside wearing it without it suffering a hard reset every 5 minutes or so. I've also gotten some bizarre bursts of static electricity (the first time it happened, I was walking out of an airport, past the metal detectors, so I thought that might have something to do with it, but it's happened twice since with no obvious reason).

    Oh well, others are making good competitive products, so I guess there's no reason really to be sad to see them go.

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  27. Office is the Bermuda Triangle of Santa Clara by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2, Funny

    Former resident: Exodus!

  28. The problem with Replay by Daimaou · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have one friend that has a ReplayTV machine and another who has a Tivo, so I have looked at both of them. Personally, I like the Tivo better.

    The problem with both of them for me is that they are bundled with a service that you are charged monthly for. I'll admit the service is a good one, but I think people for the most part don't like the idea of paying each month for something they can do manually with a VCR. Tivo and Replay have some nice features, but after all, recording a show is still the primary function and most people don't want to pay for that.

    If Tivo and Replay would operate just like a VCR and allow you to use their service if you want to, or just use the system as a regular VCR if you didn't want to pay the monthly fees, then I think both systems would probably catch on a lot more than they have.

    1. Re:The problem with Replay by mccalli · · Score: 3, Informative
      If Tivo and Replay would operate just like a VCR and allow you to use their service if you want to, or just use the system as a regular VCR if you didn't want to pay the monthly fees, then I think both systems would probably catch on a lot more than they have.

      Certainly Tivo already does this - don't know about Replay as I've never seen or used one. Tivo will allow you to manually set time and channel and record however.

      The thing is, there's no value in that to me. The whole value of Tivo is in the data it provides, not the hardware and not even the software (although I like the interface). Without the data, nicely categorised with descriptions etc., the Tivo isn't much better than a VCR to me. With the data however, it has proved a god-send.

      That's the real service - the provision of accurate and categorised data. That's why you pay your subscription.

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:The problem with Replay by supercargo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The subscription service may be the death of Tivo, but the service itself is worth every penny. I paid the lifetime $250 at the time I got my Series 1, so my average monthly charge keeps getting less ($10 and counting). For the 2 weeks I was sans hard line telephone and hadn't gotten the TivoNet card installed, going back manual programming was a nightmare I don't care to repeat.

      It was easily as awful as watching TV at Tivo-less friend's house.

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  29. PC not in the livingroom yet by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People still want a black box that's one stereo rack unit, like the DVD/VCR/CD player/et al, and a user interface easily compatible with a remote control.

    The PC based solutions are nowhere near that level of functionality yet.

  30. TiVo is doing fine... by Wee · · Score: 5, Informative
    They beat analysts' expectations, revenue is up more than they thought ($60.2 million this year vs. $19.4 million last year), licensing means they'll sign up more people than they thought this year. They didn't meet their growth projections for the holidays only because stores didn't have enough product to sell. That isn't necessarily a "bad" kind of problem. More info on news.com.com.com.com.com.

    Doesn't look to me like TiVo needs a savior.

    -B

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  31. OT: A Moderation Lesson by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2, Offtopic
    If it's the first time the idea is expressed in a story, it's not redundant, and I meta-moderate accordingly. [BTW, I don't consider "the way the hard-drive based Sonic players connected to your PC without the need for special drivers" (or any other part of the post) to be a "widely held notion," so even if I agreed with your position on 'redundant' this post doesn't qualify.]

    Prime example: "First Post" posts are, by your terms, redundant, but that's poor moderation; "First Post" posts are offtopic, not redundant, even though the effect is the same (-1).

    They're not trolls or flamebait, either. A troll is a post that is fishing (trolling) for replies, and has nothing to do with creatures who live under bridges. Flamebait is a subset of troll: it's posting a deliberately extreme statement, baiting hotheads to respond with flames. A "First Post" is neither, but I metamoderat such moderation as "fair" even though it's inaccurate.

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  32. What will happen to ReplayTV service? by Takeel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, what will this mean for those of us who get ReplayTV guide service from SonicBlue? Will we find our service vanish suddenly soon and our money sucked into the blackhole of SonicBlue's chapter 11, or will the buying company continue the service transparently for current subscribers?

  33. Uh Oh by arvindn · · Score: 2, Funny

    So it's the Blue Screen of Death for all the ReplayTV's out there?

  34. Re:Poor Sonic :-( by x_man · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I'm sad to see the only other real competitor to Tivo go under, my personal experience with SonicBlue was abysmal:

    I bought the Rio 600 when it first came out and it's a piece of junk. On the hardware side, the device stopped working after about a week and I had to return it. Also, the batteries constantly discharge even if you don't have the device turned on so after a week of sitting in my workout bag, I still have to recharge the darn thing. The little cassette adapter they sell that you plug into your car stereo has also quit working. On the software side, you're forced to use this horrible, non-intuitive download app to load MP3 files. Luckily, I found the Linux variant and I use that now.

    After a few months, I realized 32 MB was nowhere near what I needed so I broke down and ordered the PROPRIETARY memory expansion module - no CompactFlash memory slots here. SonicBlue's online web site ordering mechanism failed to inform me that they were out of stock when I placed my order. Two weeks later I decide to call and only then did they tell me that the device was out of stock. So I canceled my order, or so I thought. I found another web site and ordered the expansion and forgot about SonicBlue for awhile, that is, until four months later when I received a memory expansion box from SonicBlue and my credit card was debited $80 or so.

    So I call up Sonic again - believe me you don't want to sit on hold with this company - and finally got the charge reversed and returned the item. And thankfully, that has been the last dealing I've had with SonicBlue.

    If Sonic's Replay service was anything like their web ordering and MP3 player divisions, I think it's safe to assume that this company needed to go.

    On the lessons learned side of things, always research your tech and open standards can mean the difference between paying $40 for an generic add-on and $80 for the proprietary version.

    X

  35. Good riddance! by zerofoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having owned 3 SonicBlue products (RioCAR, RIO digital audio reciever, and a portable RIO player) i'm glad they're gone. I bought these products because they were cutting edge devices that, at the time, no one else had. Sadly, all of these items ,at release, had limited software support....and six months later had none.

    A company must support its products for longer than six months if it's going to survive. Sure, most of these products have 3rd party support now, but to expect that at the corporate level seems like passing the buck.

    -ted

  36. Manual recording by Beebos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Replay users will stil be able to set up their recordings manually.

    You can use the Replay, at least the 4000 series, as an advanced VCR. You can manually tell your Replay to record channel 5 at 12pm everyday or just on Thursdays. It's slightly kludgy to name the recordings, but not difficult.

  37. Bummer by saddino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another product/service of mine bites the dust; I really hope someone keeps the service up.

    Oh well, being an early adopter sucks sometimes.

    Now, will someone finally go and buy up Kozmo's IP and get that idea going again? I need a DVD, some bagels and a bottle of milk. Thanks.

  38. Re: Why would you want a PVR without service by ip_vjl · · Score: 2, Informative

    If someone wants a VCR, why wouldn't they by a VCR? It astounds me that someone would buy a PVR if all they were interested in was a VCR.

    I can answer that, as I've wanted one, but have no interest in the "we'll find what you like" service.

    1) Pause live TV.

    By the time we get our daugher to bed, it is almost always 8:15 - 8:20. If I tape the show, I then do something else for 40 minutes, as I don't want to watch the end of the show without seeing the beginning. With a PVR, I could start it at 8:20 and be caught up with live tv by 9:00

    2) Random access to shows on tape.

    I record mostly to timeshift. I don't need to archive. I'm not horribly worried about quality (as long as it's viewable). So when I tape, I tend to re-use a few tapes over and over until they wear out. If I tape something, but don't get to it right away I may need to tape something else. I'll either put it on the same tape (after the first show) or get a new tape. Now I either have multiple tapes laying around, or I end up watching my shows in "reverse order" so that I can re-use the tape if need be without writing over unwatched programs.

    With a PVR I could put stuff in and watch it when I want to watch it.

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    I'd still like one, but they're just expensive, and I have no interest in paying a monthly fee. Until last month, I was only paying for very basic cable. I don't need a service to automatically look at all the programming when I only have 5 channels of anything worthwhile to worry about.

  39. Re:Oh no! by Mr.Phil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did TiVo force SonicBlue out of business? Did TiVo engage in anti-competitive practices to drive SonicBlue to bankrupcy? On both counts, No.

    TiVo is not preventing anyone from selling a PVR device. Too bad that there was such a high saturation in the nitch market of PVRs that SonicBlue couldn't stay profitable.

  40. remembering S3... by yanyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember when i bought my first ever 3D accelerator, an S3 Savage3D. It was faster than any other card i'd ever used up until then (but then again, it WAS my first 3d card), and i remember Quake 2 running sooo smoothly in all its hardware-rendered glory.

    Over the next few months i started looking around for tweaks that i could perform on the card. I ended up using one program (whose name escapes my memory) that allows you set normally hidden values in the registry to change the Savage3D's core and memory clock speeds, sidebanding, etc. Needless to say i got hooked again on my Savage. Being a regular visitor to S3's website back then, i learned of their next generation chip coming out, the Savage2000, and i thought, this is going to be one helluva chip when it comes out.

    Still i wasn't content with the speed i was getting out of my card, and i was still into reading hardware reviews and stuff. I wrote an email to the creator of the hack program i was using, asking him about other tweaks that he knew of. Sadly, he told me that the Savage3D had a hardware flaw right from the start, a very deep-seated bug that essentially crippled the chip, and all future generations of it, starting with the Savage4, and, i realized moments later, the Savage2000 which i had looked forward to. The programmer told me a few details of the flaw, which i can't recall right now, but basically it was a flaw that reduced the (advertised) triangle rate. For example, the Savage3d was touted to be capable of doing 5 million polys/second, but the flaw caused it to do only a quarter of that figure, around 1.25 million polys/sec. In short, a very serious flaw.

    It was only a matter of time before the actual Savage2000 chip came out, and floundered miserably against competition from Nvidia, the Geforce 256. Thus began my fascination with Nvidia, and soon after i got my first ever card based on an Nvidia chip.

    I think S3 would have been a great graphics chip company if they got the hardware designs down right from the start. Previously, i would insist on using only S3 cards like the Trio32 and the Virge. IMHO they were great cards.

  41. Rio500 by yamla · · Score: 3, Informative

    I cannot speak for the ReplayTV but the Rio500 didn't hold up anywhere near as well as I had hoped. If I shake my Rio500 a little, it loses an internal connection and reboots. Furthermore, the customer service for the Rio500 is god-awful. I went looking for drivers one day after I reformatted my machine. That day, they had 'temporarily disabled' access to the drivers, not even posting the old ones on their site. They didn't correct this for almost a week, during which my Rio was useless.

    Also, there was always a hassle getting the Rio Audio Manager (the _worst_ designed user-interface for managing large collections of MP3s I have ever seen) to reenable the MP3-ripping functionality I should have had. In the end, I went out and bought a copy of another piece of software to rip MP3s and to transfer to the Rio (I forget its name at the moment, it's the popular Windows one).

    Still, I suppose I still use my Rio500. I use it to listen to audible.com audio content and it does a great job of that. For my MP3s, though, I have since upgraded to the Creative Nomad Jukebox 3. I cannot get it to hook up to Linux yet but apart from that, it is great.

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  42. I guess I'm not really surprised. by zackbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They didn't really target the audience right.

    The product cost too much, wasn't easily upgradable, and required a service contract (built into the price) to get the guide even if you didn't want the guide.

    Offer me a freakin' digital recorder without a guide, don't push me to buy a service, and don't charge me an arm and a leg, and I'd jump at it.

    That's the problem with tivo too. You don't *have* to get the service, but it keeps prompting you to. Even more annoying, you have to buy the service for EACH UNIT. If you have two or more units in your house, they can't share one guide. Yes, you get a discount on service for additional units, but you're already paying for it on the first unit. In fact, I think the discount only applies if you get the dish units anyway.

    True, each unit requires a phone call. But the units could be networked to share the one guide. Since tivo stopped offering toll free calls for the guide, it's even worse.

    I don't want to have to keep buying blades after I've bought the razor, to steal a phrase. That's why I bought an electric razor.

  43. Re:Not Likely by RembrandtX · · Score: 2, Informative

    actually
    they opened up the RioReciever to projects like jreceiver.sourceforge.net.

    so they have a history of helping out folks with 'defunct' products on that level.

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  44. TimeWarners going to kill Tivo and Replay too by lkaos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here in Austin TimeWarner is trying out a PVR with 80GB of disk space and just about all the features of Tivo (a little dumber and doesn't have commerical skip). It's the same deal as the cable box--you only pay $9.95 a month to lease the hardware.

    There is no way that Tivo can compete with that. Even though it has a better product the cable company just has it beat here from a price and marketing perspective. It's almost sad...

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    1. Re:TimeWarners going to kill Tivo and Replay too by devaudio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This service has to be the worst I have seen PVR wise as well... it has bugs where "season pass" of certain shows disappears after the guide data expires for the week, or it just randomly deletes scheduled recordings out. I have both the Tivo and the TW PVR, and the difference is like having a Luxury Sports Sedan (tivo) and a Skateboard with 3 wheels (Time Warner). If you come in to the middle of a recording (like coming home at 6:15 and trying to watch the 6pm simpsons) you can not say "skip back to the begining" -- you must rewind at 4 X all the way back. The time warner service will NEVER skip commercials tho -- AOL Time Warner and a bunch of other media companies don't like the fact that you can do it now with ReplayTV (and they pretend not to know tivos can be hacked to do it)

  45. The latest Archos products require no drivers by lscotte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The latest Archos jukebox products (recorder, FM recorder) work with no special drivers - they are USB storage compliant and work great with usb-storage under Linux.

    Even the older jukebox will work under Linux, you just have to add a readily available driver.

    The nice thing about having a USB storage compliant device is when you plug it in, it just becomes a drive on your system. You can copy anything to or from it as if it was a local HD (it's just alot slower). Nice not having to use any proprietary software or DRM crap.

    Then, put Rockbox, the open source firmware for the Archos on it, and it makes for a very nice solution. On the go, it's a portable MP3 player; plugged into your system, you just play your MP3's with xmms right off the device. Good stuff!

    s/Linux/other_OS/ and s/xmms/other_player/ as appropriate.

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  46. Just like 3dfx by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For those too young to remember, sonic blue used to be Diamond Multimedia. Some of the best graphics cards around with the Diamond Stealth line, my first performance card after I got off the triton. Long before the Monster line of products.

    This was a failure from the very start. its very reminiscent of the 3dfx take over. For me, this was CEOs of a dying company buying another company so they could live another day. The company that bought diamond was already failing and they bought themselves probably 4-5 years with the purchase. Im sure it was devastating to share holders. Diamond was a SOLID company before the purchase.

    Diamond was the #1 seller of video cards and they did not make their own chips. Sad.

    Just like 3dfx was bought out by CEOs who also sought to extend their CEO life at the expence of the end users and shareholders.

    Just plain ugly.

  47. Re:Poor Sonic :-( by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Informative
    That said, I could not buy one of their players because they would not support WMA files. Over 5gb of my collection is in that format.

    Their CD-based players (the Rio Volt series) support WMA...not that I've ever needed that capability, as I've always ripped to MP3, but the capability is there.

    (On my last long drive, though, I left the SP90 and home and ran AeroPlayer on a Palm Tungsten T. 256 megs is enough for 4-5 hours, and it supports both MP3 and Ogg Vorbis. I brought along a CD with more music to load onto the card (through a notebook and a card reader) for the return trip. The SP90 skips on rough roads, but the Palm doesn't.)

    BTW, dBpowerAMP lets you convert from WMA to more open formats. (You could also build the WAVDest DirectShow filter (part of the DirectX SDK) and use it in GraphEdit to convert WMA to WAV, but that's a cumbersome approach that requires Visual C++ to implement because the WAVDest filter is only supplied as source.)

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  48. Re:Poor Sonic :-( by joshsisk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It fits in your pants pocket, the Nomad Jukebox does not... unless you have some bigass pants.

  49. Nice Yellow Journalism by splatter · · Score: 2

    Come on Taco,

    What does "ReplayTV maker Sonicblue to file for Chapter 11" actually means "ReplayTV and Rio maker Sonicblue is a goner?"

    Nothing.. like many other posters commented chapter 11 is not closing it's doors, its reorginization. and any good editor would have know to make that distinction.

    Oh and BTW "that $140 deal on Amazon isn't looking so hot now, is it?" Thanks for alienating all the replay users. I for one wont be contributing to ANY of YOUR causes any more. Or reading tacos shitty ass posts either.

    Yeah burn my karma I don't care this heats me up.

    DP

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  50. No problem... by OneFix · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm glad I did my homework before I bought ...

    I own a RioVolt ... not made by Sonicblue, but made by iRiver ...

    It's actually not that bad in my case, because iRiver also makes the firmware (Sonicblue is real slow even though all they have to do is change the device ID) ... which is the same source code for all of the MP3/CD Players they make ...

    So, I still get new features on my RioVolt ... and faster than Sonicblue released firmwares in the past ...

  51. Long Time Coming by MachineShedFred · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a former employee that went through the transition from Diamond Multimedia to S3 and eventually to SonicBlue, and being layed off when they decided to close the communications division, I saw this happening two years ago.

    Working in the Rio / Comm Division QA labs, I saw that the place to be taking these products was to converge the digital media devices you make with home networking solutions that you also make. There were a few products that made it out the doors that did this (the Dell Digital Audio Receiver and Rio Receiver), and they worked quite well; but soon after, the communications division was to be shut.

    In that reorganization, I saw some incredibly talented engineers (who had been around since before Diamond had bought Supra, and were responsible for the incredible SupraFAXModem and SupraSonic lines) laid off and get instantly hired by other companies in the SW Washington / NW Oregon area, such as Sharp Labs, Logitech, and Intel. These people still work there, creating great products.

    Now that the age of wireless-in-the-home and broadband networking are upon us, SonicBlue has to buy home networking equipment that they once engineered to incorporate into devices that they once had on the engineering roadmap. Due to incredible mismanagement, along with exorborant costs of moving offices, and newfound competition from the digital audio core market (thanks, Apple!) the strain was too much to bear.

    Now I will finally get some form of profit from the Employee Stock Purchase Program, in the form of a failed-investment tax writeoff...

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  52. What will happen to the network? I have an answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The network is actually owned and operated by another company. When you signed up for monthly or lifetime memberships, Sonic Blue got a one shot "commission" on the sale. This network also supports the built in TVGuide that my TV has and some of the scrolling menues on sat or cable TV. As I understand it, the Sonic Blue devices will continue to function properly for an indefinate amount of time.

  53. Re:What will happen to the network? I have an answ by gonzoboy · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the SonicBlue Site

    Dear Customers,

    ReplayTV values your business. We are committed to seamlessly transitioning the ReplayTV Service to the product lineâ(TM)s new owners. Everyone on the ReplayTV team will be working closely with the new owners to ensure that our customers continue to receive the award-winning ReplayTV Service without interruption.

    We are optimistic about our future and appreciate your support through this transition.

    Thank you,

    The ReplayTV Team

  54. Good Riddance by Unregistered · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bought a Rio 500. The firmware immediatly corrupted, rendering the device useless. Sonicblue's tools failed.

    I'm happy w/ my Nomad IIC now.