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Slashback: Security, Telephony, Solicitude

Slashback with more on Linux telephony, Mailblocks' terms of service, the scary disease known as SARS, the status of civilian GPS accuracy and more -- read on for the details.

A good oversight to correct. AndyMan! writes "Regarding yesterdays 'Building A Better Inbox,' I got the following email from support@mailblocks.com:

"'Our apologies, we picked up an old version of our TOS when we went live. We will NOT be allowing 3rd parties to send unsolicited email to our userbase. Please check the site this evening for the updated and correct TOS. We apologize for any confusion or inconvenience.'"

All the government you pay for. dunng808 writes "Despite frequent speculation to the contrary, Security Enhanced Linux is alive and well. Government Executive Magazine has a report from a conference on open-source software at which Peter Loscocco, a senior NSA scientist, revealed that the agency has continued to work on SE Linux despite efforts by Microsoft and the Initiative for Software Choice. "We spent a lot of time educating our managers, who accepted a lot of the flack that has come back to NSA about SE Linux," Loscocco said. For those readers trying to win acceptance of open-source software in the workplace, what effort have you undertaken to educate management, and what has worked?"

Also safe for now is GPS. As an anonymous reader writes, "Following last week's thread on GPS, and the possibility that the Pentagon might goof around with the civilian signal, Forbes checks in with the folks in charge and finds we have nothing to worry about."

OK, both of these things involve series of coherent vibrations in air ... A few months back, we mentioned that TheKompany was selling software to let Zaurus owners use Net2Phone for telephone service, and that they were working on a desktop version as well. Well, now it's ready. HeUnique writes "TheKompany just released tkcphone for the Linux desktop. This is the first product which lets Linux users to use their existing net2phone accounts to talk either through net2phone to net2phone or net2phone to standard POTS phone with the best audio quality (G.729 codec)."

And in almost-but-not-totally-unrelated news, jackjumper writes "Shawn Gordon of The Kompany fame has started his own record label, ProgRock Records. From the interview at Linux and Main: "The idea...is to provide progressive rock music to listeners at a low price while allowing more of that money to find its way to the artists' pockets than happens with conventional recording contracts and at the same time making a gesture -- you know the one -- to the established recording cartel." This sounds really cool."

A deadly pathogen by any other name. waytoomuchcoffee writes "The leading hypothesis for what is causing Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) is now thought to be a coronavirus, one of the virii that can cause the common cold. The New York Times (archive version for those non-members) has a story here. The global toll is now more than 750 stricken and 22 dead. Singapore is quarantining hundreds of people in an effort to stop the outbreak, while the head of the city's hospitals has taken ill with symptoms consistent with SARS. Both the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization have pages up now, which include FAQs and progression information."

How many times do we have to go over this? Vajsvarana writes "The major free Desktop Environment GNOME and KDE has released a common open statement on recent XFree86 troubles. 'Innovation should happen in the open, with all affected parties able to participate early in the process' seems a clear and strong request to XFree86 people."

243 comments

  1. degrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    GPS, with this war going on is going to change, even more than now

    1. Re:degrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I would have to think nowadays they can change the quality of the GPS signal with software dependant on region. So, in essence they can mess with the signal in the middle east and leave ours alone. Just a thought.

    2. Re:degrade by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. From the sounds of it the military are using much more precsise signaling technology then what they lead the public to believe. The other thing is, and this is just my personal observation, but they have the ability to change the results based on some factors. It seems like GPS just keeps putting out a general call, but couldn't it be focused on different locations around the globe? Or do I just need more sleep?

    3. Re:degrade by afidel · · Score: 1

      considering that multireceiver differential GPS can achiece milimeter precision and the targeting are for a bomb is never going to be smaller than a few meters I doubt they are using anything more accurate than GPS (In fact I know that the modified mark-25 bombs that are the major ordinance being used in Iraq is nothing more than a couple hundred dollar dumb bomb with a $12,000 upgrade kit that includes a military GPS unit, inertial guidance system as backup in case of jamming and a steering system). So I would say you just need more sleep =)

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    4. Re:degrade by jpop32 · · Score: 1

      I would have to think nowadays they can change the quality of the GPS signal with software dependant on region.

      I can confirm that. In Croatia (south of Europe), GPS signal has degraged.

  2. Mailblocks MAY Spam You by waldoj · · Score: 4, Informative
    Some how I don't feel better by Mailblocks' assertation that they're not going to spam users. Their privacy policy says:
    Not now, but in the future, Mailblocks may permit third parties, such as advertisers, to furnish our members, through the Services and otherwise, with information from time to time.
    So, were they lying to us before, or are they lying to us now; and if now, in which instance are they lying?

    -Waldo Jaquith
    1. Re:Mailblocks MAY Spam You by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

      So, were they lying to us before, or are they lying to us now; and if now, in which instance are they lying?


      I'm hardly a neutral party,
      but I wouldn't trust an anti-spam company that ever had such a spam friendly TOS,
      even if the new TOS is "the truth".

      -- this is not a .sig
    2. Re:Mailblocks MAY Spam You by DCowern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even more disturbing to me is the following:

      WE RESERVE THE RIGHT AT ANY TIME TO:

      * Change the terms and conditions of this Agreement;
      * Change the Services, including eliminating or discontinuing any Services; or
      * Change any fees or charges for use of the Services.

      Any changes we make will be effective automatically immediately after posting such changes on the Site. Your continued use of the Services following such changes will be deemed acceptance of such changes. Be sure to review this Agreement periodically to ensure familiarity with the most current version. You can determine when this Agreement was last revised by checking the "Last revised" legend at the top of the Agreement.

      Basically, they're saying that without notice, they can do whatever the hell they want with your information and it's up to you to go and find out. Even if you happen to check a few minutes after they change the TOS, they've probably already sold all your info to 3rd parties. Since this probably contains your home address and phone number, it could affect you even after you stop using the service.

      If they wanted to be reasonable, they could change their policy to allow them to make changes only if they notify you one week in advance via a message to your mailblocks account.

    3. Re:Mailblocks MAY Spam You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully this is not the case. It sounds to me like they had originally intended to offer a free service that would have been funded by advertising. Keeping in mind that even though Yahoo! mail has a free account type; you are subjected to numerous banners as you check your mail. (was subjected to harsh a word?) Anyway, I'm guessing that they saw the folly in that plan and decided to make it a pay service. Which, btw, I only paid $10 for the next three years. Thus far I haven't had any Spam emails, so I imagine everything is okay. It seems that small blunder is going to make their start a little sluggish.

    4. Re:Mailblocks MAY Spam You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got this all wrong. The proper way to revisit this classic Slashdot joke is to use, "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" as the subject, and then in the *body* of the comment, you say, "Mailblocks may spam you!".

      Please take notes for future reference.

      Thank you,
      AC

    5. Re:Mailblocks MAY Spam You by afidel · · Score: 1

      Hehehe, that provision would never stand up in court. It breaks one of the most basic principals of contract law, that of informed consent. You can not submit to a contract term before you are even aware of what the term is.

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  3. SARS by DjMd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good news is this virus seems to be close contact only (family memebers, health care workers) and does not seem highly infectious...

    Now if they could actually confirm which bug it is and get a good test then we would be good shape...

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    1. Re:SARS by rockclimber · · Score: 1

      jeah, but with a mortality of around 2.9 percent (in short time) it is still a worry! Rockclimber

  4. SARS and chinese gov by gsmb · · Score: 3, Informative

    being in china now i am getting really concerned about SARS. while i am a long way from the epicentre the gov here is very quiet and now there are reports of possible infections in beijing...http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapo re/story/0,4386,179331,00.html if beijing becomes a new epicentre for spread of this then we are ALL in deep sh*t cos its such a big city (i think 13m+) the first thing that will happen is that everyone will want to LEAVE in different directions WHAT A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN. i cant imagine the chinese gov (as with any other) preventing the spread. no way of "patching" this one!

    1. Re:SARS and chinese gov by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Not to cause a panic, buuuuut....

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story /0 ,4386,179331,00.html

      "Uh oh."
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:SARS and chinese gov by gsmb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      dammit there is a space between the 0 and , but i cant remove it
      could you help by telling me how to post a clickable link??

    3. Re:SARS and chinese gov by rowanxmas · · Score: 1, Interesting

      dammit there is a space between the 0 and , but i cant remove it could you help by telling me how to post a clickable link??

      Read This

    4. Re:SARS and chinese gov by agallagh42 · · Score: 1

      Go here to learn the basics of HTML tags.

      The section you're looking for is "Links".

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    5. Re:SARS and chinese gov by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Chill out. Check the sites gives...I went for the WHO, which stated that there was a very low morltailty rate, secondary outbreaks have not happened (and due to increased awareness will probably not happen at all) and there are about 450 people affected in total.

      True, here's another resistant bug, which is freaky in itself, but it's no super-ebola. Unless you french kiss your spouce who's just contracted it by sucking on an infected persons mucus, you'll be fine.

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    6. Re:SARS and chinese gov by jsse · · Score: 1

      I didn't want to scare you but the fatal figures in China is untrue. They said only 10 were killed by SARS in China, but in fact most bodies were burnt to ashes within 3 hours BEFORE their relatives could ever see their last faces, and the fact that they refused to turn in the specimen to WHO or CDC...

      Hong Kong is an exception, their Government works closely with southeast China, WHO and CDC, and progress has been made. Hopefully vaccine would be made within...hmm...months.

      Afaik there's only one new case 'announced' in Beijing recently, don't panic...yet.

    7. Re:SARS and chinese gov by afidel · · Score: 1

      In fact immature viruses like ebola are rarely a true threat becuase their incubation period is not long enough to allow an infected host to spread the infecting agent to a wide enough area for it to move out of its immediate outbreak area. This is why this particular virus was so scary, it followed an incubation regime similar to that of the common cold which is a great pathogen but it has the side-effect of eventually killing the host (long after it has hopped to many additional hosts).

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    8. Re:SARS and chinese gov by unitron · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the special Slashdot addendum to that cheatsheet. All the html stuff, like A for anchor, EM for emphasis, etc., that goes between the bird'smouths has to be uppercase for some secret slashcode reason. So HREF="http://slashdot.org", in conjunction with the anchor tag, will get you a clickable link, but href="http://slashdot.org" won't.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    9. Re:SARS and chinese gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know which version of Slash you've been using, but 'round these parts lower case tags work fine.

    10. Re:SARS and chinese gov by unitron · · Score: 1

      It must be just when you post in Plain Old Text mode that you need all caps. Oh well, I like doing it that way by default anyway. I don't actually know anything about this stuff, I just learn by doing.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    11. Re:SARS and chinese gov by agallagh42 · · Score: 1

      I always post in Plain Old Text mode, and I've never used all caps. Very strange that it doesn't work for you.

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    12. Re:SARS and chinese gov by unitron · · Score: 1
      Others have had the same problem and fixed it the same way, so maybe it's which browser you post with, or whether you're running x86 or Apple or who knows.

      Or maybe it used to be that way and they just never told us that it was fixed.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  5. About this SARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone talked to David Morse recently? I know he's been working around Philly on Hack. Last I saw him was at the airport some weeks back. He was juggling some vials and looking quite flustered.

  6. Re:OT: Slashdot Issues? by gsmb · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    yes i can confirm th unstability. couldnt get http://www.slashdot.org to load AT ALL but plain http://slashdot.org works anyone know why????

  7. "Viruses," Not "Virii" by yet+another+coward · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "'Viruses,' Not 'Virii'
      Learn more [perl.com]"


      STFU, not STFES.

      Learn More."

    2. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "STFU, not STFES.

      Learn More." [reference.com]"


      LOL! Burn!

      Heh. That made my day. I'm tired of being corrected on stupid things like the difference between "viruses" and "virii". Normally I wouldn't mind, but once you've studied latin it's hard to avoid the urge to call it 'virii'. I wish people who use that term would be cut a little slack, it's not like we're all posting with spell and grammar checkers here. Afterall, this is just a forum. It's not a Scholastic Competition. When you correct somebody on use of a term that nobody could possibily mistake, you just sound like an arrogant ass, especially when done with such little tact.

      Okay, I'm done ranting. Please spare me your ill-based theory that if people don't speak 100% correct English 100% of the time that we'll all end up communicating via a series of grunts and moans.

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    3. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I wouldn't mind, but once you've studied latin it's hard to avoid the urge to call it 'virii'.

      I don't understand this. I went to the perl.com URL linked up above (from the original post) and the original poster seems to have studied Latin fairly extensively. As near as I understand (I mean, really, what the hell is a declension? Maybe I should look it up) virus in the original latin was a collective single noun. Making virus plural, then, is an invention of English and should follow English grammatical rules.

    4. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 1

      Please spare me your ill-based theory that if people don't speak 100% correct English 100% of the time that we'll all end up communicating via a series of grunts and moans.

      Well, sometimes grunts and moans are just as effective. Given that the best way to troll on /. is to gas on using Standard English about shit which one has no idea about, most of the good stuff happens when we resort to a series of hoots and tongue clicks... That reminds me. I need to install the language pack for Bushman.

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    5. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a slippary slope. If this crap is allowed to stand, pretty soon we will be communicating by morse-code boogers.

    6. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you'd studied Latin a little harder, you'd successfully resist calling it 'virii'.

    7. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with correcting someone's spelling or grammar. Doing it in a condescending way is, of course, going to create resentment, but I personally find it rather irritating when people claim that clear communication is not important. And you're right; this is a forum, but expressing yourself in ways that will make people think you're ignorant isn't likely to help get your point across.

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    8. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by clueless_penguin · · Score: 2, Funny
      Okay, I'm done ranting. Please spare me your ill-based theory that if people don't speak 100% correct English 100% of the time that we'll all end up communicating via a series of grunts and moans.

      The proper form is gruntii and moanii. Sheesh.

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    9. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Gorobei · · Score: 1

      It would only be hard to avoid if the original word was "virius." But it's not!

      And no, Virus is not the same declension as Annus!

      Don't even get me started about "octopi."

    10. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Black+Knight_61 · · Score: 1

      A conjugation is a way of telling the words tence.

      For example puella (girl) puellae (girls)

      A declension is diffrent types of conjugations.

      first declension:
      a ae
      ae arum
      ae is
      am as
      a is
      There are five declensions I beleive, I would have to go back to my notes from school.

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    11. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . . but even if it follows Latin rules the plural could not be 'virii'. It would have to be 'viri' or something. That would obviously conflict with another Latin word, 'vir' (man).

    12. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by geekoid · · Score: 1

      try calling it virii in front of professionals. you pretty much won't be taken seriouly from that point on.

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    13. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      Let's not agrue about stupid ancient topics like was Latin or Greek the "High" language of the church ("civilization"), let's argue about modern, relevant topics like the Great Vowel Shift!

      Many Bwitons don't speak Enwlish properwy! (And on spelling, the Americans weren't always wrong either.)

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    14. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In front of a professional what? Scientologist? Anyone who gives that much of a shit about your grammar and not the content of what you're talking about is clearly a moron to begin with.

    15. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by nihilvt · · Score: 1

      Normally I wouldn't mind, but once you've studied latin it's hard to avoid the urge to call it 'virii'.

      If you had actually studied Latin, you'd know that the latin plural of "virus" is not "virii".

    16. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "And you're right; this is a forum, but expressing yourself in ways that will make people think you're ignorant isn't likely to help get your point across."

      I can't say I care a whole lot about people who'd call me ignorant because of a simple typing mistake. Never mind that I might be fatigued, short of time, or injured. No no no, I'm ignorant because I said 'yur' instead of 'your'.

      My point? I hope the people that are judging people based on how well they spell are being judged as well. I think the guy who corrected the other guy at the beginning of this post is a condescending jerk. Look what his 'lack of ignorance' earned him.

      The swords are double edged. :)

    17. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by Dirtside · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't really consider typing "virii" instead of "viruses" to be a typo; that's more of a factual error.

      Nonetheless, you're right in that you certainly shouldn't judge someone solely based on things like grammar and spelling; but the form of a message is going to be noticed before the content is absorbed, and if the form is too hard to read (or is harder to read than necessary), then the content might be ignored, even unjustly... and sometimes, that reality supersedes the "live and let live" mentality. Prospective employers and college admissions boards aren't going to forgive such things, even if you might consider them "condescending jerks" for caring.

      Yeah, on a place like Slashdot, where any given post (or body of posts) isn't really going to affect your life, it doesn't *actually* matter... but if you're posting here, then you probably do want people to take you seriously (unless you're just trolling), and proper presentation can only help.

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    18. Re:"Viruses," Not "Virii" by unitron · · Score: 1
      If you had actually studied Latin, you'd know that the latin plural of "virus" is not "virii".

      Virus is basically the Latin word for "slime" (I think it's distantly connected with whatever the Latin for the color green is), so there is no plural, nor any possibility of one. It's like saying "what's the plural of 'rust'?". You can't say one rust, two rusts, et cetera, or one slime, two slimes, and so on. They (ancient Latin speakers) never anticipated that the word would be used for discrete, countable things (which means you should say fewer, not less, as long as we're off-topic), so they didn't ever need a plural for it.

      My new proposal for a plural for the computer type of virus is "viren", so that we can tick off all the people who jump through the roof whenever anyone says "boxen" :-)

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  8. KDE and GNOME by YokuYakuYoukai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's really nice to see unified support by KDE and GNOME on this issue. The way they have been getting along lately i would'nt be supprised if we saw some joint projects...

    1. Re:KDE and GNOME by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny
      The way they have been getting along lately i would'nt be supprised if we saw some joint projects...

      That would explain why LinuxCon is being held in Amsterdam....

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    2. Re:KDE and GNOME by TeknoHog · · Score: 1
      Remember the reason why GNOME was ever started: KDE was based on QT which at the time was not Free software. Since QT became available under the GPL, the only reason for GNOME's existence has been moot. IMHO one strength of opensource is that there's less incentive for reinvention and pissing contests, and more room for collaboration where resources are used more efficiently. It's silly to have a KDE/GNOME competition within the opensource movement, while we still have to fight against Microsoft et al.

      I'm not saying all competition is bad, for instance Emacs and VI are different tools for different jobs, so are Perl and Python. But come on, KDE and GNOME are both designed to replace a Windows/Mac GUI, and there are plenty of graphical interfaces with different ideas available. I personally use Sawfish, the pure window manager. Just give the newbies KNOME, the Kool Network Object Modeling Environment.

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    3. Re:KDE and GNOME by jcast · · Score: 1

      Actually, GNOME's native interface is C, which has a very simple ABI (and is more popular on Un*x anyway). That supposedly makes it easier to make bindings from real languages (Haskell, Scheme, ML, etc.). So, GNOME probably has a good reason for existence. I do love seeing cooperation between the two, though.

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    4. Re:KDE and GNOME by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      I believe that in this case competition is a good thing. KDE and GNOME are very different, however when you don't use either you don't really notice it. I would _HATE_ Linux desktops if I had to use KDE; I just don't like KDE. I'm a Gnome person.

  9. Initiative for Software Choice by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Initiative for Software Choice seems like a whitewash organization backed by Microsoft.

    It seems to me that every time it becomes politic to get somewhat more relaxed towards Microsoft, lest you draw mocking cries of 'Linux zealot! Stallman Fanboy!' that Microsoft turn around and prove to everyone just how justified the ire against them is.

    Here are a few choice quotes:

    "Policymakers should not make rigid intellectual property licensing choices a precondition for eligibility for procurement, nor should they discriminate between developers that choose to license their intellectual property on commercial terms, and developers that choose not to charge licensing fees...."

    "Lately, concerns have emerged that policy makers, through government procurement policies, research funding or standards policies, may seek to favor one software development model over another."

    I won't bother with any more.

    The scary thing about this organization is that their party line appears to be quite subtle. Where they fail is that they appear to be up in arms about purchasing regimes which haven't happened yet.

    They also use their contentions to subtly dig at the GPL... 'rigid intellectual property licensing' indeed. I wonder if anybody at the Initiative for Software Choice has ever tried to install Windows 2000 in Application Server mode. THAT is 'rigid licensing' at its best.

    MH

    1. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of a quote I read somewhere "The more our guest recounted his honor, the faster we counted
      our silverware."

    2. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by Skjellifetti · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here are a few choice quotes:

      "Policymakers should not make rigid intellectual property licensing choices a precondition for eligibility for procurement, nor should they discriminate between developers that choose to license their intellectual property on commercial terms, and developers that choose not to charge licensing fees...."

      "Lately, concerns have emerged that policy makers, through government procurement policies, research funding or standards policies, may seek to favor one software development model over another."


      Those seem like quite reasonable statements to me. Are you suggesting that policymakers should force the Gov't to purchase only GPL'd software? Or release Gov't funded R&D only under a GPL license? Either of those would be unacceptable and every bit as bad as preventing the Gov't from using GPL'd software as the pro MS zealots seem to want.

      Pro Choice vs. Viral Licenses or is it Monopoly vs. Pro Freedom?

      Both sides are becoming as obnoxious as the fanatics trying to co-opt the language in the Pro Choice vs. Anti Choice, uh, err, I mean, Pro Life vs. Anti Life abortion debate. No room for a middle ground. No sense that the other side might have some reasonable concerns that are worth listening to.

    3. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Reading the commentary literally, I have no issues with their contention whatsoever.

      Reading between the lines, doesn't it sound like more subtle versions of what Microsoft has been saying about the GPL the whole time?

      Why even mention software development models unless they're trying to cast aspersions on the Open Source model?

      Why even mention the poor abused software developers who 'choose to license their intellectual property on commercial terms'?

      Someone has a beef, and it's neither the procurement departments nor the open source people. Last time I checked, the open source guys were so disorganized they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, let alone lobby procuring departments.

      Face it. This is subtle MS FUD. Very subtle MS FUD.

    4. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by jcast · · Score: 1

      They are deliberately reasonable statements, because M$ is trying to mask their real agenda (and make the other side look unreasonable). Those statements do not reflect M$'s real position. They're just a way to preserve the status quo.

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    5. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by dubl-u · · Score: 1

      [...] Are you suggesting that policymakers should force the Gov't to purchase only GPL'd software? Or release Gov't funded R&D only under a GPL license? Either of those would be unacceptable and every bit as bad as preventing the Gov't from using GPL'd software [...]

      Brave assertions. Any facts to back them up? Or even some reasoning?

    6. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      Brave assertions. Any facts to back them up? Or even some reasoning?

      What assertions? Your quote includes two questions and an opinion. The opinion is based on the simple premise that more choices are better than fewer choices. No GPL and only proprietary sales to Gov't gives the Gov't fewer choices than both proprietary sales and GPL. Forcing the Gov't to use only GPL'd software gives the Gov't fewer choices than allowing both proprietary sales and GPL where appropriate.

      Both extremes, the GPL only and the proprietary only, are equally inane. Microsoft seems to be calming down a bit since they learned that their anti GPL FUD was hurting them. Time for the GPL advocates to learn the same lesson.

      As for Gov't funded R&D, I believe that that should be released under a BSD style license. That gives anyone the widest possible latitude to use the research results in the widest possible way. In the US, I believe that something similar is already done with patents from research at Federal Labs. Aren't such patents automatically put into the Public Domain? The BSD license is essentially a Public Domain license with an absolution from any liability clause.

    7. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by JanneM · · Score: 1

      The license for software (or other purchases) is a feature of the product just as much as dataformats or other 'checklist-items'. A given organization may have very specific requirements one way or another, or have a 'don't care' for the feature.

      If an organization sees a clear benefit with GPL software, they should of course add this feature to their specifications. Just like requiring support for a specific dataformat does not in itself discriminate among vendors, neither does a GPL requirement - vendors are perfectly free to offer a GPLed version of their software to the organization, after all.

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    8. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      make rigid intellectual property licensing choices

      Yes they should! Have you *READ* the GPL? We are not talking about abstract whishywashy pieinthesky pseudo stuff here. When you PURCHASE MS Products (spending tax $), you are volunteering to comprimise your position. You place yourself in a position of servitude. When you choose to use GPL software you retain -- you provide a GREATER PUBLIC SERVICE -- because you keep the public free from being beholden to the ominious TOS M$ subjects you to.

      I implore my government's public servents to be weary of the position you place ME in. The public service ESPECIALLY needs to use GPL software for the reasons SPECIFICALLY stated in the GPL itself... i cant state it any better.

    9. Re:Initiative for Software Choice by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      'more choices are good' is moot in this case... apples and oranges.

      The relevant characteristics of software (for example) are stability, speed and size (whatever) but the LICENSE terms instantly changes the items available for choosing. You cannot consider App A and App B available for the same choice if A comes w/ GPL and B w/ a boilerplate M$-TOS. The things you SACRIFICE by accpeting an industry-standard license greatly reduces the attractiveness of the sw.

      In the end, you are forced to NOT compare the two pcs on purely technical merit alone. The GPL is so attractive that there are very few proprietary apps that overcome its weighty TOS.

      So to say "choice is good" is only so right, in fact, GPL software cannot be considered an "alternative" at all - it requires that you comprimise your moral, social and legal position if you DONT use GPL. Something that is a much bigger consideration than 'which pc of software' runs faster, more stable or is-smaller... apples and oranges.

  10. Funny, I saw him at the airport too. by RonBarr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It was a scary moment - some terrorist almost killed him! Fortunately, some Homeland Security guys took out the nutcase. It could have been a disaster.

  11. Air vibrations by Repton · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I somehow doubt netphone relies on air vibrations, unless someone somewhere is using IP-over-sound waves...

    </pedant>

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    1. Re:Air vibrations by ksuMacGyver · · Score: 1

      Only if you don't count the air vibrations between your mouth and the microphone and your ear drum and the your speakers :P

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    2. Re:Air vibrations by Thumb-One · · Score: 1

      And the sound coming out of the headset plugged into the PC/Zaurus in conducted to you how, via thoughtwaves?

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    3. Re:Air vibrations by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1
      Well. I assume you want to, for example, *hear* the phonecall at the other end, right?

      YLFI.

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    4. Re:Air vibrations by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      You haven't read the addendum to rfc1149 have you?

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  12. Infection rate by Thumb-One · · Score: 5, Insightful

    22 dead out of 750 infected is definitely not insignificant. Assuming a rate of 20 deaths out of 1000 infections, and a 30% infection rate, equals what, 150k deaths in the US? Not trivial.

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    1. Re:Infection rate by SiliconEntity · · Score: 1

      Sounds like it's about as contagious as the common cold, except that it's deadly. Not a good combo.

    2. Re:Infection rate by sloth+jr · · Score: 1

      You've got a 3% chance of dying if you get it. This happens to be the same percentage of men who can auto-fellatiate. Can you auto-fellatiate? No? Then don't worry.

    3. Re:Infection rate by Thumb-One · · Score: 1


      Oh Sh**, I'm as good as dead!

      Except, of course, that I never leave the house.

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    4. Re:Infection rate by jsse · · Score: 1

      22 dead out of 750 infected is definitely not insignificant. Assuming a rate of 20 deaths out of 1000 infections, and a 30% infection rate, equals what, 150k deaths in the US? Not trivial.

      Left-brainer like you could find a good position in Government. :)

      What we must know about SARS is that:

      1) it's fatal - no vaccine, no cure.
      2) the origin is unknown(sadly the suspected origin - China - refused to disclose full story to WHO/CDC which make the investigation impossible)
      3) regardless of what they say, the method of infection is UNKNOWN. People don't need close contact to be infected.
      4) All Governments are lying.

      FUD? Nah, I'm right at the center of epicenter. People are like living in hell here.

  13. This is where Microsoft executes extremely well by RonBarr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ya gotta hate 'em, but they know how to do this. No direct slams at open source or linux, just very friendly, helpful suggestions that offering users choice is better than not, isn't it? They've been doing this for decades. If it weren't for the other crap, you know, the illegal immoral stuff, I might even like the bastards.

    1. Re:This is where Microsoft executes extremely well by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 1

      Something tells me to doubt that the no-direct-slams bit is more them being afraid of the negative spin than actually not doing it because they're nice, rad people.

      The other thing that bothers me is that by being subtly evil, they're potentially doing more damage than they would do by being blatantly evil.

    2. Re:This is where Microsoft executes extremely well by mmol_6453 · · Score: 1

      Strong spin is easy to recognize...they're being sneaky in that they're writing subconsious links between OSS and free-as-in-beer software, and then pointing out that it's unethical for the government to compete with businesses. (Which, if you're duped by the way they word their argument, is exactly what the government seems to be doing.)

      By making lawmakers think "free-as-in-beer" instead of what OSS is really intended for, they're drawing attention away from the fact that innovation can occur much more quickly, and omnidirectionally, in OSS than in most for-profit setups.

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  14. GPS is having problems by thogard · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are many areas in the world that are having problems with GPS but its not due to jaming, its due to the fact that there isn't a full constilation up. PRN 22 went dead a while back and hasn't been replaced. The current plan is to spread out the sats in that orbital ring (the B plane) to help fill up the gap but that will result in more outages in more places for short times compared to the current 1/2 hour outages seen directly in the flight path. The NavCen are recomending that you change your mask angle to 5 degrees if its set higher (many people use 15 degrees).

    Right now you can see the problems on this map (mirrored here). The black areas are where GPS isn't going to give a 3d position and the red areas are where it wont get a 4d (3d+time) fix. The dark blue will have issues if any part of the sky is blocked. I don't think I've seen the GPS status this bad for a long time. Maybe its time to launch a few new navstar sats.

    1. Re:GPS is having problems by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Hmm... makes you wonder about the dark blue patch in the middle east that doesn't correspond to another patch 180 degrees east like the rest of the patches...

    2. Re:GPS is having problems by FosterSJC · · Score: 1

      You might want to check that again. The blue patch around Negev (Middle East) corresponds to the the one over the Pacific Ocean just south-west of Baja. Don't be so paranoid. Sheesh.

    3. Re:GPS is having problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to hell with that area How about the black areas that follow every coastline and governmential border! Oh my god this is horrible, but I wonder how they get that kind of precision to black out on the coastlines and borders like that.

      pretty neat!

  15. My story by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Funny
    For those readers trying to win acceptance of open-source software in the workplace, what effort have you undertaken to educate management, and what has worked?

    Well, I told the manager that it was free. He squinted. Then I told him there was no support, but if he opened a port to an IRC server we could get by. He squinted a little more. Then I told him it doesn't really run any of the software we use. He squinted even more. Finally I told him we'd have to use Java or something because .NET doesn't really run in Linux. It will soon, though! He was beginning to look like a japanese psycho on speed by then, so fearing for my job I backpedaled out of his office, bowing a few times and muttering something I heard on the Iron Chef the other day that sounded important. To this day he's not speaking to me.

    That's my story. Anyone else?

    1. Re:My story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, mention IBM... I am evaluating Eclipse as the Java IDE for our developers. Much cheaper that websphere! Not sure yet, but I think they are going to go with it...

    2. Re:My story by digidave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here goes:

      I told my manager Linux was free, and his eyes opened wide. I told my manager it was more stable than our NT 4 servers, and his eyes opened wider. I told my manager that I would have better, easier, remote management, and his eyes opened wider. I told my manager Linux would still run our Websphere software and that IBM provided a free migration path (no new licenses), and my bosses eyes finally popped out of their sockets.

      I'm not being a Linux zealot. Everything there -- except for his eyes popping out -- is true. We just migrated 3 web servers to Redhat. It was an incredibly easy process and we're already seeing dramatic stability improvements despite a severe coding bug that cause us some downtime. I have never managed a Linux server before, but I'm not having any trouble learning it, with a bit of online help.

      While your .NET apps won't easily port, who says .NET is better than Java anyway? I'm no Java fan, but I've done some Java web app coding and some .NET development, and .NET is no better.

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    3. Re:My story by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then you didn't tell well.

      It's free, but you can pay for it.

      You don't get support for free, but you can buy it, from RedHat for example.

      Wine and vmware might be useful in *some* situations.

      And, it's not a silver bullet. For example, I considered rewriting a VB app in PerlQt and running it on Linux. Turns out it wouldn't work because we'd have to migrate from SQL Server as well. So what to do? Very simple.

      Tell your manager that while Linux is not currently a viable alternative for your business it's growing fast, and that you can make changes slowly to make moving to it easier if you ever need it, since vendor lock-in might mean serious problems for the company in the future. For example you could try Postgres for a small non-critial DB. You could try to make a database that could be moved to Postres with little effort. You could get Cygwin and/or use Perl to automate tasks. You could try using Linux on your mail server, DNS server or web server.

      Then, if some day MS takes a way you don't like it'll be much easier to switch to Linux.

    4. Re:My story by keyslammer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmmm. Sounds a lot like one of my stories!

      Only I like to come in with the "I need $1200 to purchase this commercial package - unless you want me to use this competing open source package, which IMHO is a better product anyway" angle.

      Last project I was on, management was blown away by the stability of our Linux servers. Even the Windows guys were impressed. When I left the group, they were using Linux as a dedicated DB/2 server platform (wouldn't switch their web servers because of the VB/.NET thing).

    5. Re:My story by 1lus10n · · Score: 1

      are you on crack ? redhat offers better support than microsoft. and IBM has one of the best support divisions in the IT industry and they both offer enterprise level support for linux.

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    6. Re:My story by dumboy · · Score: 1

      I've found that going at it all it once is NOT the way to go when it comes to winning acceptance of open-source software in the workplace. Instead, get something small that's needed at work, sniffers are always a good one. When starting a new project, always include an open-source alternative. If you get just one thing setup and prove its worth, you'll see the resistance to open-source software drop. My company has gone from 0 Linux servers last year to 6 this year with more on the way. It may not be huge, but rarely does anything ever start off that big.

    7. Re:My story by argoff · · Score: 1

      A few years ago I told my manager that SCO was not enterprise quality and it was on the way out, and that Linux was going to replace it. They looked at me like I was on crack. Things didn't go to well for me there after that.

    8. Re:My story by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      Actually, I've gotten some internal projects to use CVS on Linux using the argument that Source Safe sucks (hah! Surprise!).

      It has worked, mostly (which reminds me - I have to send my firstborn to the people who wrote WinCVS). I'm currently trying to introduce Bugzilla.

      I'm not trying to convert to open source completely, but rather to use the best tool for the job.

    9. Re:My story by technos · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like to come in right after the Microsoft rep has been in..

      "He wanted us to do what?!? XP on the desktops? They're P2s with 64M of memory! Replace the NT servers with 2K just for the new proxy server software? $16 grand?? Plus client licenses? He said he thought we might have overused our Windows 98 liscenses? How about I just snag a couple 486s from the junk bin, toss a copy of Debian on em, and we call it done? Oh, cost? You owe me a six pack of beer to drink when I'm doing it. Support? What do you have me here for? Its not like you've ever actually called Microsoft. No. You call me."

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    10. Re:My story by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      We were a Microsoft shop. I had a minor Borland dispensation. I exceeded it.

      We were summoned to the Project Manager's office. Cool possible future project, important. IBM 3870 telnet plug in for product. Side-project. Okay. Dismissed.

      One quick search, yanked down a 3870 .OCX, import, add our plug-in interfaces, slap some code. Elapsed time less than 30 minutes. Win battle, lose war.

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    11. Re:My story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you people get past all of the Windows folks being too scared to learn how to use Linux? I get outright defiance whenever I suggest it because no one here wants to learn something new. Some of them have been here 5+ years and never even logged on our Digital Unix box.

    12. Re:My story by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1
      While your .NET apps won't easily port, who says .NET is better than Java anyway? I'm no Java fan, but I've done some Java web app coding and some .NET development, and .NET is no better.

      Ouch! That hurts!

      My current assignment at work is to try and get this Java app working on Linux. Should be easy right? Wrong. It uses huge amounts of code via JNI to integrate with Windows, from embedding Internet Explorer to system tray icons. Does Java 1.4 work on Wine? Nope. Time to put on my debugging hat.

      Ironically, my boss is considering porting to .NET - realistically, Java simply isn't good enough for client side work. A .NET app, hell, a pure Windows app, would be easier to get going on Linux than this thing we have currently, because at least with Mono the Windows integration is automatic, and I'd much rather simply implement a few SWF classes than screw about with the Sun JVM any day.

      Strange, but true.

    13. Re:My story by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Support? What do you have me here for? Its not like you've ever actually called Microsoft. No. You call me."

      Doesn't that actually just say it all?

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    14. Re:My story by Peter+Harris · · Score: 1
      And, it's not a silver bullet. For example, I considered rewriting a VB app in PerlQt and running it on Linux. Turns out it wouldn't work because we'd have to migrate from SQL Server as well.


      I use FreeTDS and Python's Sybase module to get at SQL Server databases. I bet Perl has similar library too, but I haven't checked because I don't
      do Perl.

      Even if not, there are good reasons for preferring Python to VB, even if you would still rather use Perl given the chance.

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    15. Re:My story by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the advice, I'll see if I can get it to work :-)

      My language choice is limited though. Given our project, I think an interpreted/VM language is best, because we need development speed, and application speed is not important. Perl is also the language I know best, and even if it's not ideal it's much less annoying than VB.

    16. Re:My story by SuperQ · · Score: 1

      Sounds like some people I was dealing with for their y2k upgrade. This was the end of '98.

      They had a old IBM RS/6k machine running AIX 3, it was slow, crusty, and so covered in dust i had to get out a shovel.. but it ran their inventory vertical app.

      I Suggested we talk to their app vendor about running linux on a nice custom built, or maybe a compaq/dell/ibm whatever PC server.

      The vendor came back and said "linux what?" I wanted to know why.. "We havn't tested on it" I found out they were using a simple database/4gl interpeter, no compiled C code, or anything platform specific.

      The only platforms they suppored for new upgrades/installs was Sun and SCO. I told the people buying the software from these guys that they should go with Sun, it would be a much better solution. They didn't listen to me, and the vendor sold them a DEC made PC server, for about 2x the price of a comparable compaq, and even more than some of the Suns I was looking at. I told them both DEC and SCO were bad ideas.

      I stoped consulting for them after that. A year later, DEC got sucked up by compaq. SCO has done nothing but tank. This whole SCO vs. IBM thing makes me want to call them up and see how they're doing.

    17. Re:My story by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      WinCVS last time I tried it was annoying. Try TortoiseCVS.

    18. Re:My story by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      technos: Whenn I click on your homepage I get this:
      Due to overwhelming abuse, direct linking to non-HTML files on Crosswinds is prohibited.

    19. Re:My story by technos · · Score: 1

      Heh. Yeah, The homepage info is about four years out of date.. I'll get around to putting something new up eventually..

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  16. Hrmph not trivial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not enough! We want it at a 1 in 3 chance that you're going to live! Oh well, back to the lab.
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  17. SARS predictions by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    SARS is likely to be as bad as a smallpox epidemic. The Chinese are stonewalling, that's bad, and the Hongkong authorities are trying to play it down so it won't hurt tourism. These idiocies will get us all in trouble. I predict that this virus will hit Silicon Valley hard; I've seen a lot of techies, especially foreign 'guests', just not practicing simple hygiene like washing hands coming out of the restrooms, sneezing widely into the air, etc. Also, the disease hit China, and so much manufacturing is now there, so there are plenty of chances for it to be contracted and brought back to the US. I think we have a real problem coming. Don't fly unless you wear a respiratory mask, either. I suspect SARS is a two-component disease; first you are hit with the new mutant virus, which sets up your immune system to fail to handle certain things, then the second virus characterizing this disease attacks you unhampered. We do not have any effective way to combat that.

    1. Re:SARS predictions by clusterix · · Score: 1

      Whether you are full of sh*t or not this kinda makes since. All of Asia was hit pretty bad by a flu recently, whether it specifically was the hk one or not. It could have really hurt our immune systems. I know last year (same time around CNY) there has foot and mouth scares and a mild virus variation going through SG. Damn did that physically hurt. I had never had my body feel that way and I know it hurt my immune system permenantly.

      I would feel a lot safer if I lived back in the US.

    2. Re:SARS predictions by argoff · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, the virus itself doesn't directly kill you. It just causes your throat to swell up so bad that you can suffocate.

    3. Re:SARS predictions by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      SARS is likely to be as bad as a smallpox epidemic.

      Bullshit. I live in Hong Kong, so I think I have more of a clue about this than the sensationalist overseas reports.

      Yes, it can kill. But so far, all those infected were in close physical contact with carriers -- mostly health workers who treated them, or members of family. Here people are crushed in close contact on public transport every day. If it spread like smallpox, we'd have a million dead already. It's risk, but nothing to obsess over.

    4. Re:SARS predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      dear God, please make an attempt to educate yourself about SARS before posting such drivel.

      " SARS is likely to be as bad as a smallpox epidemic."

      Great, start off fear mongering.

      "The Chinese are stonewalling, that's bad, and the Hongkong authorities are trying to play it down so it won't hurt tourism."

      I have been in email contact with doctors in china, this is bad, but there is no evidence that the chinese are stonewalling. WHO has been informed of all details as they come in, and they put it out on the net.

      " I predict that this virus will hit Silicon Valley hard; I've seen a lot of techies, especially foreign 'guests', just not practicing simple hygiene like washing hands coming out of the restrooms, sneezing widely into the air, etc."

      why7 did you use quotes in your guest statment? smacks of xenophobia. However, unless they have been in close contact very recently with someone who has SARS, they can't pass it on.

      "and so much manufacturing is now there, so there are plenty of chances for it to be contracted and brought back to the US"

      you aren't impling the goods that are manufactured will bring it here, are you?

      " Don't fly unless you wear a respiratory mask, either"
      Arguably good advice at any time.

      " I suspect SARS is a two-component disease; first you are hit with the new mutant virus, which sets up your immune system to fail to handle certain things, then the second virus characterizing this disease attacks you unhampered."

      well, the doctor that ID'd the virus disagrees with you, and since he is a medical doctor, AND uses an electron microscope, and you are some /. panic monger without an electron microscope, I'll go with the doctor.

      " We do not have any effective way to combat that."

      actually, they have a treatment, unfortunatly it is not the take a pill and you'll be fine variety. Its the let us pump you with liquids kind.

      Thats is bad, because you can only do that to a tiny minority of people.

      If you know how close we we're to an ebola break out 20 years ago, you would shit your pants.

      pasted AC for professional reasons.

    5. Re:SARS predictions by pXgray · · Score: 1

      I don't understand where the evidence for a two-component virus theory came from. Stuff like that is usually reserved for sensationalists and movie writers...

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    6. Re:SARS predictions by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Well, I am sorry you live in Hongkong and are at risk. I only get my Singapore news from your own local newspaper, so I must be way off base with sensationalist overseas reports, huh?

      The Straits Times itself is reporting how many parents are clamoring to close the schools for a while to lessen the spread. All those parents must be completely ignorant of local concerns, yes?

      http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/home/0,1869,,00 .h tml

      As for the epidemiology, you should examine what you say carefully. SARS is highly contagious in close proximity, as is smallpox. Look at what WHO reports.

    7. Re:SARS predictions by Bendebecker · · Score: 1

      Smallpox has a 30% fatality rate.
      SARS at best has a 3% fatality rate.

      Smallpox has a 90%+ communicability rate.
      SARS has at best a 25-30% communicability rate.

      SARS is likely to be as bad as a smallpox epidemic?
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    8. Re:SARS predictions by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Here's a quote from AP wire story: There is no government-approved treatment for the common cold or SARS, but CDC head Dr. Julie Gerberding said the Defense Department is testing the virus against all known antiviral drugs. There has been progress with antivirals against other respiratory viruses and some of those drugs have been effective in studies against some coronaviruses, she said. However, WHO virologist Dr. Klaus Stohr, who is working with the agency's network of 11 global labs, said researchers in some labs continue to find signs of another germ family, the paramyxovirus. ``We are a bit puzzled because we are not only dealing apparently with one pathogen but with two. The reason why we believe that both pathogens should be given equal attention is that there is consistent finding of both pathogens in individual patients or of either of the pathogens in other patients,'' he said. ``What we are seeing actually are three hypotheses.'' SARS might be caused by one of those two viruses or ``these two pathogens have to come together to cause this very severe outbreak.'' The latter theory is that the coronavirus -- which Stohr said lives in immune cells that fight off disease -- destroys or weakens the immunity in the patient so the second virus ``has practically an open door to go in and to sicken the patient beyond what this virus would be able to do normally.

    9. Re:SARS predictions by tfoss · · Score: 3, Informative
      SARS is likely to be as bad as a smallpox epidemic.

      Hold on there nostradamus, how on earth could you have an rational basis for that kind of claim?

      I predict that this virus will hit Silicon Valley hard; I've seen a lot of techies, especially foreign 'guests', just not practicing simple hygiene like washing hands coming out of the restrooms, sneezing widely into the air, etc.

      Nice vague tinge of racism.

      Also, the disease hit China, and so much manufacturing is now there, so there are plenty of chances for it to be contracted and brought back to the US. I think we have a real problem coming.

      Except everything so far suggests this virus (if it is) requires close respiratory contact with infected people. Breathing on a tv that will be boxed, packaged, shipped and left on a ship for weeks hardly counts as close respiratory contact.

      I suspect SARS is a two-component disease; first you are hit with the new mutant virus, which sets up your immune system to fail to handle certain things, then the second virus characterizing this disease attacks you unhampered.

      Again, on what basis do you make these wild-ass statements? Do you work in a research lab studying SARS? When those researching this aren't even ready to make this kind of statement (they say it's possible, but by no means proven, and always stated as 'might,' 'could,' 'would be unusual,' &c. ), how are your prescient enough to?

      We do not have any effective way to combat that.

      True, just like we don't have any effective way to handle the vast majority of viral infections we get. We let our immune system go at it, and more often than not we get better.

      -Ted

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    10. Re:SARS predictions by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      I only get my Singapore news from your own local newspaper,

      As I said, I'm in Hong Kong, which is not Singapore.

      The Straits Times itself is reporting how many parents are clamoring to close the schools for a while

      People are panicking. Has little to do with the real risks. Recall the idiocy with which AIDS sufferers are treated in most places. Actually, my dusghter's school has just closed, which is a case of bureaucratic CYA rather than anything else.

      SARS is highly contagious in close proximity, as is smallpox. Look at what WHO reports.

      I did (before I made my original post). I didn't see anything to contradict what I wrote. It is MUCH less contagious than smallpox, and MUCH less lethal (7 dead out of 222 confirmed cases). It's been here for two weeks (incubation period is a few days or a week) and if it was anything like as bad as smallpox, hundreds would be dead.

      WHO SARS FAQ:
      Q : How contagious is SARS ?
      A : Based on currently available evidence, close contact with an infected person is needed for the infective agent to spread from one person to another. Contact with aerosolized (exhaled) droplets and bodily secretions from an infected person appears to be important. To date, the majority of cases have occurred in hospital workers who have cared for SARS patients and the close family members of these patients. However, the amount of the infective agent needed to cause an infection has not yet been determined.

    11. Re:SARS predictions by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      The fatality rate is actually a bit higher, and that's with many of the sick being treated in hospitals. If it gets out into the general population the numbers will be higher, obviously. Even so, 3% of 200,000,000 is 6 million potential dead. That's of the scale of horror of a smallpox epi. And when 5,000 died in NYC in tbe bombing, that was enough to concern the whole country. You saying that 3% is insignificant? I'm glad there are other people who are less smug about not having to do anything.

    12. Re:SARS predictions by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Man, go read the WHO or CDC page and take a chill pill.

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    13. Re:SARS predictions by Cs.Ender · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, the bullet itself doesn't directly kill you. It just causes a hole to appear in any number of organs so bad that you can bleed to death.

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    14. Re:SARS predictions by afidel · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but a mortality rate of 29/1000 case's for something even remotely related to the common cold is scary as can be. btw the numbers you quote are not the same as those quoted in the writeup (22 dead out of 750 striken, and those are only the confirmed cases).

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    15. Re:SARS predictions by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      he numbers you quote are not the same

      The figures I gave are for Hong Kong. As for whether it's scary or not; I live there, I'm not. My objection is to the general sensationalism and particularly to your equating it wih smallpox. It is much less lethal and much less contagious. As I've just repeated that for the third time, I think this is a good place to stop.

    16. Re:SARS predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't have to spread as fast as smallpox or the Spanish flu to be an epidemic.

      I do think that, even if it were as easily spread as smallpox, quarantine will prevent epidemics in most countries.

      But I am very worried about China and sub-Saharan Africa. If it has already reached epidemic proportions in parts of China and the government is suppressing information about it, then this could make AIDS look like a picnic.

      Of course, that is in a borderline worst case scenario. Hopefully the spread of the disease is easily controllable wherever it currently exists.

    17. Re:SARS predictions by afidel · · Score: 1

      in case you didn't notice I never equated it to smallpox's, in fact the only thing I have equated it to is the common cold in that the WHO has identified one of the two likely pathogens to be a strain of virus which causes one form of said ailment. I would put forth that at this point it is somewhat media hesterics, however if it gets effective quarantines in place then in may be for the greater good. A mortality rate of 29/1000 cases is greater than some cancers, and those are not communicable diseases!

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    18. Re:SARS predictions by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      in case you didn't notice I never equated it to smallpox'

      Sorry, I see that was the other guy who also thought Hong Kong was in Singapore.

    19. Re:SARS predictions by blancolioni · · Score: 1

      SARS has a two to seven day incubation period. If it was going to be as bad as you say, there would be an awful lot more than seven hundred odd reported cases. Flying with a respiratory mask is not only excessive, but everybody will think you're a dickhead.

      As for your references to foreign 'guests', in my experience the people who fail to wash their hands are as likely to be Yanks as anything else. Which is surprising, because a quick survey of American television commercials shows a near obsession with anti-bacterial products. Or, as we like to call it, the War on Bugs.

    20. Re:SARS predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the figures for deaths caused by motor accidents? Accidents in the home? Alcohol abuse? Drug abuse? All of these things kills millions a year, and I don't see anyone too overly concerned.

    21. Re:SARS predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Singapore gets a lot of the HK papers (IHT, SCMP, couple of the chinese ones too), I think that's what he was talking about.

      Right now, we've been lucky that it's been staying around the hospitals, but students at a school have just been infected, and it's starting to spread out. It won't be smallpox bad, but even if it's only transmitted through droplets...

      Think about Mong Kok, the MTR, Central. All you'd need would be a few infected people in the area with bad hygiene to start spreading the disease.

    22. Re:SARS predictions by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      but students at a school have just been infected,

      As far as I know, they got it from family members, not at school. My daughter's school is closed for a week. It's silly, as we're on Lamma. But fear is driving this.

    23. Re:SARS predictions by crumley · · Score: 1
      The fatality rate is actually a bit higher, and that's with many of the sick being treated in hospitals. If it gets out into the general population the numbers will be higher, obviously.
      No, not obviously. Most patients in a hospital are already sick, often with immune systems that are affected, so they are more at risk from infectious diseases. People in the general public will tend to have better immune systems and tend to be able to fight off infections.
      Even so, 3% of 200,000,000 is 6 million potential dead. That's of the scale of horror of a smallpox epi.
      Well, the key point is that you first have to infect 200 million people. The current evidence on SAR's infectiousness supports the idea that it is unlikely become that large of an epidemic.
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  18. Remedy? by cachorro · · Score: 1

    So if this is just a variant of the common-cold, could the antidote be chicken-soup?

    1. Re:Remedy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because funniness is inversely affected by scariness, your post will cease to become funny as soon as this virus gets to the Western side of the planet. Sorry.

    2. Re:Remedy? by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1
      as soon as this virus gets to the Western side of the planet

      "As soon as"?

    3. Re:Remedy? by cyril3 · · Score: 1
      People in Canada have died from it and there have been alerts in Europe already and it's still funny. There goes your theory.

      But on a serious note, it is human nature to laugh in the face of impending death. It makes us feel better.

      Or as a great philosopher once said "Humour is when someone else slips on the banana peel, Tragedy is when I slip on the banana peel" In either case someone is lying on the ground with a sore head.

  19. How many times do we have to go over this? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Good question.

    The plural is virus is viruses, not virii.

    1. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      More info that is NOT karma whoring, seeing I'm an AC.

      For the purists, in Latin, there is a rarely-used plural form:

      virus, viri (neuter)

      (Forms: almost always restricted to nominative and accusative singular; generally singular in Lucretius, ablative singular in Lucretius)

      The point of this is that even in Latin the form "viri" is rarely used. The singular form is used in most every instance. (This is from the Oxford Latin Dictionary.)

      So, when considering the Latin: "virii" is incorrect and "viri" was almost never used.

      Despite the fact there was little use for the plural form, there is another reason why "viri" was rarely used. The most common Latin word for "man" is "vir" with "viri" being its plural in the form used as the subject of a sentence. Thus, since "men" as the subject of a sentence would be used far more often than "venoms" (virus means venom) the "viri" word was most commonly seen as the plural of "man."

      Bottom line: Don't try to make up words using a false Latin plural form. Since the word virus in its English form is now used then the English plural (viruses) should be used.

    2. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      What he said. :)

    3. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could soon be a major epidemic. Tens of millions of people may die of this disease. And the main thing you worry about is the plural of "virus" ?!? ! ?

    4. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by unitron · · Score: 1

      As I mention elswhere, virus is Latin for "slime". You can count units of slime (teaspoons, whatever), but you can't count slimes. There's no Latin plural of virus because it isn't possible without giving the word a meaning it didn't have back then. It's like "what's the plural of rust?". Any answer is wrong.

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    5. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Certain doom is no excuse for bad grammar or spelling.

    6. Re:How many times do we have to go over this? by Nyarly · · Score: 1

      Anyone who thinks you can't count slimes hasn't played enough Nethack.

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  20. maybe because your site sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's why there's no mention of it

  21. The Difference Between Military and Civilian GPS by Nova+Express · · Score: 3, Informative

    What the Forbes article fails elucidate is the difference between military and civilian GPS. Not only is the military GPS on a different band, and considerably more accurate, but it's also encrypted. In fact, SOP if an aircraft is shot down is for the pilot to press a "data destruct" key that formats internal memory storage so the enemy doesn't get ahold of any information on the military band. The encryption keys are also changed daily.

    BTW, both military and civilian GPS can increase the accuracy of the signal by using differential GPS, which uses stationary ground stations to reduce uncertainty to well under an inch.

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  22. The only prog rock band worth listening to is... by leviramsey · · Score: 1

    ...Rush, by a mile. Any period will do.

  23. we did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and why are these zoo animals running though my street?

  24. RE: Your Sig by scotch · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Score: -1, Pro-Microsoft
    Karma: Crappy (see above)

    For a suitably loose definition of crappy, perhaps. For you lurkers out there, notice that the Bungi has such "crappy" Karma that he has the +1 bonus. Look at his posting history - he frequently gets 4s and 5s.

    The above post suggests that his karma is fine when he is merely "Pro-Microsoft". It's when he turns into a drooling anti-linux schill that he runs into Karma trouble.

    It was pretty funny, though. Of course, If I was your manager and you fed me that misinformtion, I'd fire your ass.

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  25. The Gnome/KDE to X Open Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We acknowledge the dedication of the GNOME and KDE projects in providing us a free and innovative implementation of a GNU/Linux desktop, something we benefit from on a daily basis. Therefore, we want to share our point of view with the community.

    1. The Desktop Projects' recent technical progress, culminating in the 2.2 and 3.1 releases release, brought significant advancements to the GNU/Linux desktop. Prior Desktop implementations were lagging behind the needs of modern desktop users.

    Modern Applications, Office Compatibility, Advanced Window Theming, speed increases, and so on address long-overdue usability issues with GNU/Linux desktops. Gnome and KDE's robust solutions in these areas have been invaluable.

    However, the work is not done. Our goal is to use desktop systems far beyond what anyone offers today. We are ready to take advantage of a GNU/Linux desktop implementation that continues to innovate.

    2. The GNU/Linux users have two interests in The Desktop Projects:

    - We would like to have a single organization where desktop innovation occurs. By innovation, we mean the definition of new APIs, specifications, and features - new additions to the foundations that GNU/Linux apps rely on.

    - We would like to have a frequently-released, robust, stable, open source implementation of these APIs, specifications, and features.

    We are explicitly distinguishing innovation from implementation, because standards should be adequate to allow multiple fully-interoperable implementations.

    Within the development organization responsible for defining and crafting new features to be adopted as standards, innovation should happen in the open, with all affected parties able to participate early in the process.

    3. We do not want to take sides on the recent political wrangling of which toolkit is better and who should be in charge. Our hope is that as a community we can find a way to involve everyone in the GNU/Linux desktop's development and move forward with solving technical challenges.

    4. It makes sense to us if the organization responsible for the GNU/Linux desktop innovation also develops the most widely used open source reference implementation. This ensures an emphasis on working code, and provides a pool of active technical expertise.

    5. We would like to see this forum work toward a unified organization, governed by active contributors, that implements, deploys, and standardizes new GNU/Linux desktop innovations.

    We do not want to take an a priori position on how this organization should be organized or governed - that is a conversation we're trying to start, rather than one we're trying to end. We trust and will support the desktop community as they work to address this issue.

    Best wishes

    The GNU/Linux Application Developers

  26. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by ahess247 · · Score: 1

    Actually, in my own defense, the article does say: "The military has it own highly accurate tamper-proof encrypted signal that civilian equipment can't receive."

    I didn't go into the technical particulars about the differences between them, but I think its pretty clear that there are distinct signals for civilian and military use.

  27. Net2phone blocked on attbi ? by dargaud · · Score: 1

    Slightly OT, but anyone knows if ATT broadband has been blocking Net2Phone lately ? I haven't been able to connect from home in the last few months.

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    1. Re:Net2phone blocked on attbi ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What! The PHONE COMPANY blocks use of software that lets you get free phone calls?! Next thing they'll fix it so my blue box doesn't work anymore.

    2. Re:Net2phone blocked on attbi ? by kalanar · · Score: 1

      no they dont block anything except the latest microsoft worms for msql/iis. nothing outgoing that I'm aware of.

    3. Re:Net2phone blocked on attbi ? by smeat · · Score: 1

      They block Vonage.com from some places, so it would make sense they block Net2phone also. I had Vonage, and it worked great for about 2 weeks, but then stopped working. All of my traffic from my house went out just fine, *except* for port 5060 traffic, which was being NAT'd by one of their routers. I called and complained, and after being escalated to tier 3 techs, someone fixed it while I was on the phone with him. A week later, the same thing. Vonage got involved and called them and it was fixed. A couple more weeks and it was broken again. I cancelled my Vonage service.

      ATT Broadband has a similar "competing" service. I would assume they are trying to stamp out any competition. Since these calls eventually hit a POTS line, wouldn't it be a felony to tamper with the communication?

      Had I the time and the money, I would probably hire a lawyer and sue them just to piss them off. But unfortunately, I have not the money nor the time to do so.

      Maybe you should call ATT and explain to them that since these calls hit the POTS system, that blocking their communication is a felony and if they don't fix it you will report them. Or hell, just report them anyway and see what happens.

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    4. Re:Net2phone blocked on attbi ? by afidel · · Score: 1

      You can help the situation without spending a dime, just a little bit of time. If you have any case numbers those would be helpfull, just collect your observations along with any corroberating evidence and forward it to your states attourney generals office and your states public utility commission, they may do nothing with it, however if they see a pattern of abuse one of the two may take some form of action. I know that here in Ohio the PUCO has been a thorn in the side of several RBOC's that have done shady things or have tried to shirk their responsabilities.

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  28. how is beijing more of a threat than hongkong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my perception (and i'll admit it's just that) of hongkong is that it's a business-centric suits and airports megalopolis. how is beijing more dangerous? i know way more people that travel to hk on business, not to mainland china...

  29. Sterilize! Sterilize! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Do you suppose the government of China cares enough about its people to use nuclear bombs to sterilize Beijing and save the rest of the country?

    Do you suppose the government of China cares enough about its people to warn everyone of what might happen and prepare a lot of coffins?

    Do you suppose the government of China cares enough about its people to isolate Beijing from the outside and hope not everyone inside will die?

    Do you suppose the government of China cares enough about its people to stay in Beijing with its people, no matter what happens?

  30. Re: Your Sig by The+Bungi · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    For you lurkers out there, notice that the Bungi has such "crappy" Karma that he has the +1 bonus. Look at his posting history - he frequently gets 4s and 5s.

    It's a vast zealot conspiracy, I tell you.

    The above post suggests that his karma is fine when he is merely "Pro-Microsoft"

    I realize sarcasm is a lost art these days, but if you think that's what that sig is for, you need some sensitivity training ASAP.

    It's when he turns into a drooling anti-linux schill that he runs into Karma trouble

    Actually, I get into "karma trouble" when I have to take up tiresome flame fests with little puckers like yourself, who apparently have nothing better to do than to make stupid offtopic comments about other people's sigs - two just in this article, actually.

    Other than that, my "karma" is fine, thanks.

    Of course, If I was your manager and you fed me that misinformtion

    If you were my manager, two things would happen:

    • You wouldn't know Linux from Lunix, which sort of defeats the notion of your knowing I'm "feeding" you anything (perhaps you're already in this unfortunate situation)
    • I would have taken my red stapler from your office and burned down the building around your sorry ass.
    I'd fire your ass.

    You can always hope, I suppose.

  31. You studied Latin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What words go from -us to -ii?

  32. Toronto also... by kisielk · · Score: 1

    Just heard on the news a few minutes ago that a similar quarantine is being considered for up to several hundred residents of Toronto. An entire hospital there has also been placed under quarantine once it was discovered a SARS victim stayed there. More information here.

  33. Re:OT: Slashdot Issues? (yeah; it's OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't get on the site for half an hour or an hour around 8:00 Eastern -- nothing worked; yro.slashdot.org, www.slashdot.org, just plain slashdot.org were timing out. I assumed it was my ISP but maybe there's trouble in paradise...

  34. Re:degrade - this three headed article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this?!
    Man, some threads are hard enough to drag yourself through, with the whiners, and the ubergoobers from codeland, each babbling their own twist on stuff.
    But now you're taking 3 different subjects and creating a totally schizophrenic stream of garbage.
    What a way to waste some bandwidth!
    Nice one Doods...

  35. How can they tell? by shadowbolt · · Score: 1
    The SARS spread is believed to have started in Hong Kong's Metropole Hotel on Feb. 21, when six strangers waiting for a ninth-floor elevator came in contact with a seventh person, a sick Chinese professor from Guangdong province who died in Hong Kong March 4. [worldhealth.com]

    Can they really tell the origin of the virus that specifically? The ninth floor of some Chinese hotel by the elevators? I'm not sure I can believe that. Amazing stuff, if it's true.

    1. Re:How can they tell? by samael · · Score: 1

      They can show pictures of the people with the virus to each other and see how well they remember each other. If they all say "Yup, I saw that person while I was waiting for the elevator" then there's a huge clue for you.

      Of course, if it came from a sick Chinese professor, chances are China has a problem right now...

  36. G.729 codec by netcaretaker · · Score: 1

    did you mean g.711? g.729 is toll quality.

  37. Re: Your Sig by scotch · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    You have nothing better to do than to reply to people who have nothing better to do than to "make stupid offtopic comments about other people's sigs"? Wow, I knew I was pathetic, but you really take the cake.

    Sigs are my new slashdot hobby. Your sig is a great source of amusement. I think I may cash in my userid for "sig cop".

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  38. Re: Your Sig by The+Bungi · · Score: 0

    Now that was a great comeback.

  39. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    interesting to note, I know survayers that use a gps that is accurate under an inch. i was wondering, if they see the enemy, do they have to self destruct there system?

    self destruct, indeed.

  40. GPS improves in war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Durign the last Gulf War, it seedm theat the military used a great deal of civilian GPS units, they are cheap and available, and far smaller than their own models, and to aid this, the military turned off the bit that sends the non-military dubious locations. it may be that they might switch it around a bit, but unlikely!
    One interesting, probably unrelated point, having just mapped my route from camp to site (working in Rajasthan, India), I was saving the tracks on my Garmin and I noted that it was stil tracking - indoors!!! It wasn't 20 minutes earlier befero I went to get my caffeine. Maybe they can soup the system up a bit for urban warfare!

  41. Re:The only prog rock band worth listening to is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who actually saw Rush perform at the height of their powers (Signals tour), all I can saw is BWAHAHAHAHA. Maybe when Geddy gets his nuts out of a vise and Lifeson takes some guitar lessons...

    About the only "prog rock" to which I can pay any attention any more are later King Crimson and earlier Roxy Music.

  42. Prog. Rock from Maximum Indifference... by CPgrower · · Score: 1

    If you're a Progressive Rock fan, I suggest listening to the independent band Maximum Indifference. Their debut album has a heavy Rush (the band) influence. I think they're a San Jose, California band. Anyhow, you can hear parts of the album at:

    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/maximumi1

    I'm not in any way affiliated with cdbaby or Maximum Indifference. A friend bought me MI's debut cd. I loved it. Thought I'd pass the info along.

    rob

    PS Yes, Alex, Geddy, and Neil (of RUSH) are my heroes!

    1. Re:Prog. Rock from Maximum Indifference... by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      Maximum Indifference? That would make a great name for a rock band! Oh, wait...

  43. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by SmoothOperator · · Score: 1

    True. However, the funny thing is, a GPS unit is only as accurate and effective as the soldier who is using it. It's reliability also depends on the age of the map that is programmed into it, or the age of the paper map the soldier is holding. Speaking from experience, I've gone through many "field excursions" where the officer in charge couldn't make heads or tails of the data he/she was receiving. Nevertheless, good navigations skills, like resection, a map and a properly set compass will get you out of a jam quicker than an officer with a GPS unit.

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  44. How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by frank249 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow 750 infected and 22 dead. How about the millions dead from AIDs? This study says that after 22 years of education 14.7 percent -- one in seven -- of gay and bisexual black men ages 23 to 29 become HIV-positive each year. Since the discovery of AIDS -- first reported in a 1981 government health bulletin as a strange form of pneumonia -- there have been about 750,000 reported cases in America. Nearly 450,000 of those patients have died.

    The Washington Post reports that world wide there are now 42 million people living with HIV infection and by 2010 there will be between 50 million and 75 million cases of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection in India, China, Ethiopia, Nigeria and Russia alone.

    Why was AIDs not decleared a contagious disease back in 1981 and infected people quaratined? Were the rights of a few worth more than the rights of 75 million?

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    1. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by srw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's more dangerous because I can virtually assure myself not getting AIDS by not having sex, not sharing hypodermic needles, and avoiding other peoples' blood. I can sit next to an HIV positive person in an airplane without any danger of getting AIDS. The same CAN'T be said of SARS.

    2. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Not to say anything against those who have died with AIDS (including my favorite high school teacher...), but very few of the people who have contacted AIDS or HIV did so in a way that they couldn't have prevented. I'm only aware of one case (I think there were a couple more that I can't remember) of someone getting it from a blood transfusion.

      In particular, NOBODY has gotten HIV by touching a standard doorknob after an infected person touched it. The common cold often transmits in this way from person to person.

      Considering the facts, and my personal behavior, my chances of getting HIV/AIDS are nearly nil. I don't do drugs, and I don't sleep around. Sure my values are a lot stricter than most people's, but even if your not willing to take that solution, you can take precautions. You should really, considering that AIDS is only the most famious, but not the most likely problem you can get by engaging in risky behavior.

    3. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by timmarhy · · Score: 0

      for a start not much was known about immunodeficiency back then, let alone the AIDS virus. secondly SARS can be caught by walking through a crowd, you can't catch AIDS that way. A disease which kills 14% of the people it infects and can be caught by close contact alone IS a big deal. i fail to see what you contribute by comparing AIDS to SARS, it makes you sound like a rebel looking for a cause. besides i bet you'd sing a different tune if you were family of one of those 22 who died.

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    4. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by ccmay · · Score: 1
      Considering the facts, and my personal behavior, my chances of getting HIV/AIDS are nearly nil.

      Didn't you get the memo? Please tell me you remember that AIDS is a threat to everyone, it's racist and homophobic to point out any behavioral aspects of its transmission, and the fact that it still exists at all is Ronald Reagan's fault. Sheesh. Now come on back to the bath-house for some barebacking, cupcake.

      -ccm

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    5. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 1

      Well I can answer this one easily. I have met at least 5 people that I KNOW had aids right? And here is why it is less dangerous.

      I did not have sex with any of them, nor did i get a blood transfusion from them, or exchange bodily fluids with them!!!

      Man oh man, just imagine if I had been stupid enough to do that, especially since they teach every 5th grader since I was in 5th grade (about 13 years) that you dont do that kind of stuff because you might get a disease!

      Though if it is as easy to catch the common cold, I go out and I have college and such that I have to attend in person, at least every single day, there i meat people and *gasp* have to be "near" them for long periods of time (up to an hour) and just having them brush against me, and sometimes cough near me has given me a cold! And I have caught the flu before too!

      If that did not spell it out easily enough for you, I think I lack the ability to do so. AIDS is a problem for people who have irresponsible sex, and irressponsible trading of fluid (do you spit blood into your friends mouth?) anyway, I hope that clarifies it for you!

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    6. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by dago · · Score: 1

      "Why was AIDs not decleared a contagious disease back in 1981 and infected people quaratined?

      Which population was infected by AIDS first ?

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      #include "coucou.h"
    7. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me, what part of his post singled out homosexuals? The fact that anyone can get AIDS doesn't change the fact that the two primary methods of transmission is sexual contact and IV needle sharing. Avoid IV drug use and sexual contact with infected persons, and you're far more likely to die of a car crash than get AIDS. Period.

    8. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      A Norwegian family that died in 1976 has the earliest proven case.

    9. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by dago · · Score: 1
      That's not that I don't value individuals, but I won't equal a single family to a population.

      and, btw, the man contracted it from some african woman (or man).

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    10. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by frank249 · · Score: 1

      I guess 22 dead is a tragedy and 75 million is just a statistic. Something like 3% of the HIV positive population causes 95% of the new infections. These people should be charged with murder as they knowingly have unprotected sex with multiple partners every night. But then why should they care? They are already living under a death sentence. Why should the drug companies care? They are making Billions selling expensive drug cocktails to prolong the lives of those who care afford it.

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    11. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeing that AIDS is known to be delivered by exchanging of bodily fluids while SARS is transmitted by just being NEAR someone is why it's getting more attention.
      Imagine if AIDS spread through the air and one person infected over 750 people in one week. At rates this staggering, the importance put on it is not suprising to me.
      You also mention after 22 years of education, that people still get HIV; education cannot help SARS, only the ability to contain it.
      Oh and why weren't people quarantined in 1981? Why do you even ask? That was over 20 years ago! You cannot ask about the decisions made 20 years ago by people who are probably not making those decisions today.

    12. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Not quite. The earliest known case of HIV/AIDS was a member of the Bantu tribe who died in 1959. He died of an early strain of the virus.

      In the USA, the earliest known case was a St. Louis teen who died of AIDS-like symptoms in 1969.

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    13. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by pmz · · Score: 1

      ...after 22 years of education 14.7 percent -- one in seven -- of gay and bisexual black men ages 23 to 29 become HIV-positive each year.

      Now that 314% of gay and bisexual black men ages 23 to 29 have HIV, what can we do?

      Wow 750 infected and 22 dead. How about the millions dead from AIDs?

      AIDS can be prevented. Can an airborne virus?

    14. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that AIDS has a incubation period measured in years, while SARS has an incubation period measured in days. That number is going to climb, fast. AIDS is a big issue, and I'm sorry for those that have died to it, but SARS has the potential to be worse. Would you rather wait till it kills as many people as AIDS did before trying to stop it?

    15. Re:How is SARs more dangerous than AIDs? by bluGill · · Score: 1

      You missed the point. Read my post, and then read some of the memos and panic and hype about aids, and other litature from the same orginizations.

  45. SARS bug likely identified by freeweed · · Score: 1

    Winnipeg's National Microbiology Laboratory has good reason to think this isn't coronavirus at all.

    Ok, so not the most trusted news source, but it was the first I could find quick, and it's been all over our local news for several days now. Why isn't anyone else reporting this? Bad news sells more eyeballs?

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  46. Exterminate! Exterminate! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

    There'll be no escape for Davros this time!

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  47. What "SARS" really stands for by 200_success · · Score: 1

    Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Syndrome.

    The last health scare there was the bird flu, which happened the winter immediately following the reversion to Chinese rule. Coincidence? Or a result of the Hong Kong population's lack of immunity to mainland Chinese germs due to former travel limitations, creating a new breeding ground? (The latter is just my own wild speculation.)

    1. Re:What "SARS" really stands for by 2trax · · Score: 1
      Or a result of the Hong Kong population's lack of immunity to mainland Chinese germs due to former travel limitations, creating a new breeding ground? (The latter is just my own wild speculation.)


      Travel restrictions have not changed that significantly in either direction - so I doubt it's that.

      The problem with "atypical pnumonia" (as it's being called in HK) seems to be that:

      1) it's symptoms are similar to normal flu,
      2) there is no quick test for it, and
      3) it does not seem to respond well to the usuall barage of drugs that people are given.

      It's also worth noting that the only people that have died from it in HK were either very elderly or suffering from another sever disease at the time. Fourty percent of the original 'victims' have already recovered...

      Sam.
      (in HK)
    2. Re:What "SARS" really stands for by praksys · · Score: 1

      There has been almost free travel between Hong Kong and China for a couple of decades now (for Hong Kong residents, not so much the other way). Diseases like this get noticed in Hong Kong first because they have a real medical system, with developed world technology and doctors.

  48. GLONASS and the EU system by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised we don't see more folks making dual mode GPS/GLONASS systems.

    GLONASS, for those of you too lazy to Google it, is basically GPS-ski - it's the Russian answer to GPS. Same basic idea, but at a different frequency.

    That's important. The biggest reason a military GPS receiver is still more accurate than a civilian rig is that the military rig uses 2 frequencies - the first is the frequency the civilian rigs use, the second is a military only frequency and is encrypted.

    The reason this helps accuracy is that the ionosphere bends radio waves, including the GPS signal. Since the signal does not take a straight line path, it travels a bit farther. How much farther - aye, that's the rub. Unless you know what the ionosphere is doing you have no idea.

    However, the amount of bend is propotional to frequency - if you use 2 different frequencies, you can determine the difference between them, and thus the amount of bending the ionosphere is adding.

    Now, back to GLONASS - being on a different frequency, if you used it plus GPS, you could, in theory, get the same information about the behavior of the ionosphere, and reduce the error. (In practice you wouldn't get the same level of accuracy since the signals are not coming from the same birds, but...)

    I've seen some chipsets in the trade journals that do both, but I've not seen any consumer units that do so.

    And the .eu is starting to set up THEIR OWN system. I cannot say I blame them - I'd want my own system as well, were I them.

    So, if we could only get a triple-threat system....

    1. Re:GLONASS and the EU system by femto · · Score: 1
      My understanding is that you can use the military (L2) frequency for ionospheric correction, even if you don't have the military (P) codes (involves detecting the envelope, rather than the encrypted details of the signal). The main reason most GPS receivers don't do this is the cost of the analog components for the second, different frequency, receiver. I guess the cost of a second receiver, at a different frequency, may also be the reason for the general lack of GLONASS support.

      I agree though, a dual/tri mode GLONASS/GPS/EU unit would be neat.

    2. Re:GLONASS and the EU system by crisco · · Score: 1

      Javad makes survey grade dual mode systems. But they're priced well out of the range of the average consumer.

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    3. Re:GLONASS and the EU system by Will242 · · Score: 1

      Likely most GPS receiver manufacturers are waiting for the new civilian signals to become active on L2 (~1.2Ghz) and L5 (~1.1Ghz) to introduce dual-frequency systems. Here's a good paper about the new GPS signals: Modernization of GPS

      Starting this year, all new GPS satellites launched are broadcasting the civilian code on L2, so it'll only be a few years until dual-frequency accuracy is available to everyone (assuming the manufacturers get the new receivers out the door).
      Like you said, GLONASS receivers are a bit hard to come by...

    4. Re:GLONASS and the EU system by jfmiller · · Score: 1

      I agree that a duel system would improve accuracy, but only because of averaging, not because of ionosphere correction. Intorder to make the correction that you described the two signals must come from the same place at the same time.

      JFMILLER

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  49. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    A surveyor's GPS unit integrates the position data received over a very long time (minutes to hours). As a result, variations in reported position due to both dithering and due to ionospheric changes are averaged out.

    However, to get an accurate fix while moving takes multi-band equipment.

  50. And this is different because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is fairly standard in terms of corporate policy - check the terms on your yahoo, hotmail, mail.com, or any other "free" account. *Everything* in the TOA is subject to negotiation at any time - remember, they are in business to make a profit, not to guarantee your privacy. As soon as you give your information to *any* 3rd party, they can do what they want with it. Subject, of course, to your notification to the changes on their privacy page which may or not be updated regularly.

    And for those who think I don't know what I'm talking about - I worked for 2 years for Intelliquest / Naviant (now owned by Equifax) where the goal was to tie people between *any* online registration and their real-world credit data.

    1. Re:And this is different because? by DCowern · · Score: 1

      Subject, of course, to your notification to the changes on their privacy page which may or not be updated regularly.

      This is exactly my problem with their TOS... they do not notify you of the changes. They simply state that they can change the TOS at their will and without notification. This makes the user blind to changes and can be easily used by MailBlocks to exploit their users.

  51. Re:The only prog rock band worth listening to is.. by jdkincad · · Score: 1

    I was going to break out the flame-thrower, but I realized that your right. All the good prog these days is happening in the metal genre.

    Now if you'll excuse me I have some Circle II Circle to headbang to.

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  52. What about the Chinese professor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Chinese professor who sneezed on everybody? Where did he get it? Is this illness just born on this planet that exact minute in that one floor of that one hotel? ... This makes no sense. Anybody there a doctor who can explain this chicken and egg question?

    1. Re:What about the Chinese professor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The disease originated in Guangdong province, in mainland china, north of Hong Kong. A professor there gets sick and travels to Hong Kong. I guess they found the origin by doing background checks on the first people infected in HK, and finding that they all stayed at the same hotel, on the same floor...

  53. Re:Why not quarantine? by morganx · · Score: 1

    >Why was AIDs not decleared a contagious disease back in 1981 and infected people quaratined? Were the rights of a few worth more than the rights of 75 million?

    If being branded HIV-positive landed you in quarantine for life, do you think anybody would ever willingly be tested? Either you'd end up with loads of willfuly ignorant souls spreading disease around, or you'd have to force testing on everyone. How would you do that without feeling like an even bigger trampler upon the Constition than Ashcroft?

    Laurie Garrett wrote a very good book about emerging diseases and the emergence of HIV in general, called "The Coming Plague." It's very long but an insightful view for anyone truly interested.

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  54. Experts thinking the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I salute you, Mr. Dismal. Experts now saying that it may spread a lot more easily than first thought and that it could very well be a one-two punch:
    http://www.msnbc.com/news/885653.asp?0cv=C B20&cp1= 1

  55. GPS still works on my iPAQ + Navman by Leeji · · Score: 1

    Nuff said.

    I was worried that the signal would degrade after the war started (like it did with the last war,) but I continue to use my Navman GPS sleeve on my iPAQ for a great deal of automated driving directions.

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  56. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by crisco · · Score: 1
    Actually, a survey grade reciever can get centimeter accuracy on the fly (while moving) by using a second stationary reciever broadcasting GPS data. Both recievers have to not only use the C/A code but the L1 (and optionally, the L2 for better performance) carrier as well.

    So something like the Topcon Odyssey can claim 15mm+2ppm accuracy in real time. All this depends on 2 recievers though, lose the radio link between the two and you're back to handheld GPS accuracy until you re-establish the link.

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  57. GPS still works? I coulda told you that. by tuxlove · · Score: 1

    All you have do to is turn on your GPS and see if your current location is correct (assuming you already know where you are). I've been turning mine on every morning to see if the military's up to something. Works like always, so far. As soon as it doesn't, I'm sure it will be painfully obvious.

  58. Re:OT: Slashdot Issues? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    They got slashdotted, obviously.

  59. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by afidel · · Score: 1

    Ok some corrections, the military signal is one TWO different bands, this is a large amount of where the increased accuracy comes from (in fact by doing some advanced analysis it is possible to gain ~80% of the accuracy gain of the military signal without ever decrypting the signal, advanced civilian units for things like surveying already do this), and the encryption keys do not change daily, in fact they are used for so long that another poster stated that they had seen a fellow soldier input the keys from memory, he had been using them that long!

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  60. There is no fight by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Informative

    The purpose of my desktop is to fight against Microsoft?
    I think not.
    I want to get work done in a timely and cost effective manner not be part of a Jihad.
    I'd be rather upset if the people contributing were all fucked up with "must beat Microsfot, must beat Microsoft" rather than "must write good code, must write good code"

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  61. Hong Kong's Hospital Authority, not Singapore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Singapore is quarantining hundreds of people in an effort to stop the outbreak, while the head of the city's hospitals has taken ill with symptoms consistent with SARS This is half-accurate. It is William Ho, the chief executive of the Hong Kong Hospital Authority (and not a Singapore official), who has fallen ill with (what is now confirmed to be) SARS. It is Singapore that is quarantining people though.

  62. Re:OT: Slashdot Issues? by unitron · · Score: 1

    I couldn't get to any of it between about 3pm and 7 pm EST Tuesday the 25 (pings timed out), although apparently others could, judging from the story post times. Found one guy on Kuro5hin with same problem, but he wasn't especially flooded with 'me too's. Is there such a thing as a rolling IP blackout?

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  63. check your decimal points by The+Famous+Druid · · Score: 1

    by my reconing 20/1000 = 2%
    30% x 300 million = 90 million
    2% of 90 million = 1.8 million

    And of course, the current death rate is calculated across a sample who are (mstly) getting ICU care in well-equipped hospitals.
    Once a real epidemic gets rolling, you'll be on your own, so the death rate can be expected to climb.

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    1. Re:check your decimal points by danro · · Score: 1

      And of course, the current death rate is calculated across a sample who are (mstly) getting ICU care in well-equipped hospitals.

      Also, to calculate an accurate death rate, even under intensive care, you should only count the dead and patients that made a full recovery, the majority of the poor bastards that has been infected are probably not in either camp yet...
      In other words, the current "death toll" would be an absolute minimum.

      This has the potential to be extremly serious.

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  64. SARS links by randolph · · Score: 1


    US Center for Disease Control


    World Health Organization (United Nations)

    Hmmm, guess governments do something useful after all.

  65. Re:OT: Slashdot Issues? by unitron · · Score: 1

    Slashdot's so quiet about this I'm thinking it's "Anne Tomlinson's Revenge". :-)

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  66. SARS by Iamnoone · · Score: 1

    I don't know if SARS is new, I know 3 people who were hospitalized after returning from trips to China over the past several years - 1 died - cause unclear... I think it may have been around for a while and is just start to build momentum. noone

  67. Respiratory mask of significance on a flight by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

    On the contrary, a resp mask is important. 25% of a tour group got it on ONE flight from what looks like one source: One example, in March 26th NY Times article: "The danger of a further spread of the disease was underlined yesterday when the Hong Kong Health Department disclosed that 9 of the 35 members of a tour group that traveled to Beijing and back last week had become infected, apparently during the flight from Hong Kong to Beijing. At least two members of the group sat on the flight next to a 73-year-old man who had been visiting his infected brother at a Hong Kong hospital and contracted the disease, a department spokesman said." As for foreign worker hygiene, I base my opinion on being a contractor who has worked at over 50 companies in Silicon Valley in the last decade. That's a lot of data gathering and I wish I were only being a pompous idiot in making the hygiene statement, but sadly, it is valid. I've seen an entire engineering department come down with flu from one guy coughing and sneezing with uncovered mouth in a cubicle. It is no safer to be stuck on a plane recirculating air with a disease vector around.

  68. I don't think so.... by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    I don't think that will work. Remember, what you are correcting is the time of flight, not amplitude. To get TOF you need to be able to recover the pseudorandom sync code, which is encrypted.

    1. Re:I don't think so.... by femto · · Score: 1
      I've probably recalled the details about envelope detection wrongly, but there are a few pages about dual frequency ionospheric correction, without P codes, in the following book:

      Global Positioning System: Theory and Applications Volume I
      Edited by Bradford W. Parkinson and James J. Spilker Jr.
      Published by American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, 1996
      ISBN: 1-56347-106-X

  69. Re:The only prog rock band worth listening to is.. by jackjumper · · Score: 1

    King Crimson, of course. Listen to Thrak or B'Boom and you'll never go back to Rush again

  70. Re:The Difference Between Military and Civilian GP by Dont+tempt+me · · Score: 1

    Well under an inch? I'd love to see where you read that differential GPS can get it that accurate.

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  71. Condescending Jerk in Five Words by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    You quickly jump to conclusions.

    1. Re:Condescending Jerk in Five Words by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "You quickly jump to conclusions."

      Your fault. Because ... say... much. Not...

  72. Health Care Workers and Virologists, Perhaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think extra hard, Grasshopper. There are at least two obvious professional communities who work with viruses. FYI, there are no viriologists. Rarely are HCWs or virologists morons, and they hardly ever say or write "virii."

  73. Because the freaking homos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't keep it zipped.

    Honest to god, I'm not offended by homosexuality, not even a little, but why members of the gay community refuse to either wear a condom or abstain is the reason I think the bulk of them are infantile.

    1. Re:Because the freaking homos... by Dave2+Wickham · · Score: 1

      ...you do know that AIDS can be passed on by both homosexual and heterosexual intercourse, don't you..?

  74. Haitians and Homos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  75. I like this part by Havokmon · · Score: 1
    Anyway, Latin already had a word viri, but it was the nominative plural not of virus (slime, poison, or venom), but of vir (man), which as it turns out is also a 2nd declension noun.

    Because OBVIOUSLY, if a part of a word in English means something else in Latin, then DUH, the full English word MUST be incorrect.

    First, I have some issue with taking English recomendations from Perl programmers..

    Second, the fact that the text is so long in the first place, reminds me of the push for Eubonics. If we have 'THIS MUCH' documentation, it MUST be right..

    Hey, my sig applies.

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  76. Forbes checks in with the people in charge? by ectoraige · · Score: 1

    Funny thing, I thought Forbes was part of the people in charge...
    Steve Forbes, President, CEO and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes, happens to be one of the people behind the 'Project for the New American Century', being a co-signee of it's Statement of Principles along with, among others, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and Jeb Bush.

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  77. Nice idea, but it will never happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people who have studied the EU GPS proposal are in agreement that the system will never be fully deployed, limiting its usefulness as primarily a technology demonstration.

  78. SARS: Get Your Facts Straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Singapore is quarantining hundreds of people in an effort to stop the outbreak, while the head of the city's hospitals has taken ill with symptoms consistent with SARS.



    The NYTimes article mentioned above is apparently referring to Hong Kong, which is currently believed to be largely responsible for spreading SARS globally. Please read the article carefully before posting. (I know, this being /. *sigh*)




    To be fair, Singapore is actually quarantining quite a number of people. But hey, this is a city in which you may get fined for not flushing toilet or chewing gum. ;)


  79. Fault? by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    Did something bad happen? Did I earn something? Are you serious?

    1. Re:Fault? by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

      "Did I earn something?"

      You earned a 'Redundant' moderation. :)

  80. My Post by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    It came before any other post on the same subject. It was brief. It included a reference. Considering the other post on the subject, I am surprised that mine caught such a reaction for redundancy and condescension, not that it really matters.

  81. Singapore Closing Schools by sych · · Score: 1

    Singapore has not only quarantined a few hundred people now, they have now closed all schools (pre-school, primary and secondary - but not universities) until April 6.

    Singapore's Straits Times has the story. (Be aware that being largely a state-controlled news source, it downplays the risk in the "national interest" (now doesn't that sound familiar...))