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"Case Modding" a Nissan Sentra

Lawrence Person writes "Given all the interest Slashdot has shown in casemodding as of late, I thought they might be interested in an extreme "casemod" of a Nissan Sentra, turning it into a lean, mean race machine! Emphasis on the lean part..."

383 comments

  1. Yes but... by gmby · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it run LINUX?

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    1. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nissan is shit.

    2. Re:Yes but... by big_groo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Out of curiosity..why is it that the *first* posting that mentions 'linux' is modded redundant?

      I hope I get you in Metamod (the moderator) you dipshit.

      Aren't moderators supposed to mod UP?

    3. Re:Yes but... by bezza · · Score: 1
      This article isn't special for two reasons...

      1. In response to your question, no it doesn't run Linux

      2. I see American cars doing this sort of "modding" on a daily basis all by themselves :)

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  2. Oh boy by dotgod · · Score: 0, Troll

    An ultra lightweight RICE ROCKET!

    1. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Anti-Asian undertones aside, Nissan Motor Corp. is responsible for stealing the domain name of a computer company WHICH EXISTED BEFORE Nissan Motors ever sold one car. For this alone, they deserve the scorn of slashdotters and people who believe in equality before the law.

    2. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, do we have Nissan employees here? Flamebait? I guess you could mod the company flamebait, but why the poster? Do you doubt that it is true? And if so, do you mod everything that you think is untrue as flamebait? So mutch for the art of debate...just mod everything you don't like flame and carry on with your day I guess. *tisk, tisk, tisk*

    3. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, I hate to break it to you, but I seriously doubt that Uzi registered nissan.com back in 1934 (When Datsun changed its name to the Nissan Motor Company).

      Now I am just as against the big guy screwing the little guy out of legitimate domain names (hell, I have no problem with cyber-squatting) but at least get your facts right (especially seeing as you USED BOLD CAPITALS)

      The fact is that Nissan existed long before Uzi was even born and has been selling cars in Japan as either DAT, DATSUN or Nissan since 1912 and has been exporting them since 1935.

    4. Re:Oh boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. You rate me down but can't even stand behind your claim enough to post under the same account. BITCH.

    5. Re:Oh boy by trg83 · · Score: 1

      Take a look at this thread.

  3. I case modded my sports car too. by jerryasher · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I had to tell the insurance company a different story.

    1. Re:I case modded my sports car too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think saying that makes you cool?

    2. Re:I case modded my sports car too. by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Do you think saying "Do you think saying that makes you cool?" makes you cool?

    3. Re:I case modded my sports car too. by usotsuki · · Score: 2, Funny

      "'"Is not a meme" is not a meme' is a meme."

      -uso.

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  4. You've *got* to be kidding. On Slashdot? by andawyr · · Score: 1, Funny

    Got Rice?

  5. All your Slashdot post are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, the cars case-mod you (yeah, really, they do, ever driven one of those ZAZ cars?)

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!!!

    It doesn't run Linux, and is therefore some Microsoft plot

    ???

    PROFIT!!!!

  6. Pretty much confirms... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

    ... why they're frequently called "case ricers".

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  7. Umm... by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 5, Funny

    where's the computer? Oh... no computer :( ...

    let's see .... Does it run Linux? (obligatory joke) ... ok ... kinda reminds me of the golf cart the school monitor used to chase me in when I ditched class. Seriously, this guy would chase you around campus with a damned golf cart. Once, I got him to chase me all the way to McDonalds (about a mile away on foot for me - funny as hell though, cuz he got busted for driving his golf cart on the street)

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    1. Re:Umm... by thynk · · Score: 1

      Is this a "Case Mod" for the car? Looks more like it's a piece by piece disassembly of the car. No modding, no computer, no linux, bah - who needs it?

      Now, putting wheels on your case along with some charged up beefy batteries, wireless network to control the steering - now that's the kind of "case mod for a car" that I could build a beowolf cluster of and it *would* run linux. Hmmmm...

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    2. Re:Umm... by questamor · · Score: 1

      This Sentra case mod (Nissan suck for their bullshit against Uzi Nissan re: nissan.com btw) is kind of the automotive equivalent of running a PC as a motherboard stuck to the wall.

      Good case airflow, sort of :)

    3. Re:Umm... by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with bolting your PC to a wall? It gets a bit noisy at times, but works find for me...

      Obvious?

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    4. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Actually, Nissan has a responsibility to fight for its trademark. Sure, they look like the bad guy because they took on some poor Jewish computer company owner. The fact is, and the court ruled, that Mr. Nissan was using the trademarked name to draw attention to his business site. That is why his site is now only allowed to be used for non-commercial purposes. It's really not a matter of who had the domain first. It's a matter of who made Nissan an international trademark. It would not have been right to take away Mr. Nissan's domain--he registered it first and had a legitimate claim to its use based on his name--in a manner that did not violate the Nissan automotive company's trademark. This case ended in a compromise of sorts because Nissan automotive did not end up with possession of the domain, but they did ensure that their trademark and brand name was not being diluted through name confusion.


      I realize that this is not a simple enough concept for many Slashdot readers who are so obsessed with their rights and freedoms that they fail to realize corporations and business entities have rights too. Here's an illustration to bring it into the realm of computers/Linux that everyone always wants to talk about. Let's say that Linux.com was registered by a startup company, Linux Adult Video Productions, in 1994 (after Linux was beginning to be well-spread and used in a trademarked sense, but before someone in the community registered the domain name. This company would be abusing a pre-existing trademark to bring business from misguided web surfers. Of course, they would probably bring in lots of business on this domain since Slashdot readers seem to be obsessed with "pr0n". However, Linus Torvalds would have a right to oppose this trademark dilution and request a cease and desist order for commercial operation on this domain. Of course, since we all want Linux to be successful and we would be offended by this company's action, we would rally around Linus and talk about how our rights as a community had been violated. Guess what? It's the same deal. Many Slashdot users are so obsessed with hating government/parents/corporations/etc. that they can not see an issue like this objectively.


      Also, Nissan makes very reliable cars, something the American auto industry has been only marginally successful at doing thus far. So, it makes little sense to say they suck because of a court case. To me, an example of an automotive company sucking would be the Ford Pinto. Nuff said.

    5. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. I'm insane about linux as the next geek, but if Mr Jerry Linux (born to Arthur and Marjorie Linux in 1962) registered linux.com in 1994, I'd want him to tell Linus to fuck off and get another name.

    6. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 0

      You are missing the point. The whole issue is commercial use of a trademark, not use of someone's own name. Thank you for your ridiculously stupid feedback.

    7. Re:Umm... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 2, Funny
      I could build a beowolf cluster

      A traffic jam?

    8. Re:Umm... by arkanes · · Score: 1

      Just for the brain-damaged here: It's the mans fucking NAME. And your example would not be a violation of trademark law, since Linux (the OS) and Linux(the porn company) operate in different industries. If you're going to be a mouthy fuckwit, at least do it with something you aren't wrong about.

    9. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1
      I am going to try to refrain from name-calling here. I can afford to do this since I am going to make actual, LEGALLY INSPIRED points. I have an intense interest in intellectual property, which means I usually get my information on laws, my rights, and the Constitution from places other than Slashdot.


      Please take a look at the Federal Trademark Dilution Act of 1995. It provides for protection of high-profile trademarks even when the companies in question are in different fields. One of the specific conditions for such protection is "tarnishment." Many Americans would agree that an adult video company using a popular trademark to draw attention to themselves would be an example of tarnishment, in the words of BitLaw: "...the defendant's use is unsavory or unwholesome..." Take a look at the trademark dilution section at BitLaw. Since you seem to be quite worried about people not being able to use their own name, please notice that non-commercial use of a trademark does not constitute trademark dilution.


      Regardless, even without such trademark dilution laws, the presence of huge Japanese conglomerates that produce everything from baby food to bulldozers would be very helpful to Nissan's case. In Japan, there sometimes seems to be almost no rhyme and reason to what companies produce. An American will look at two very different products and say there is no connection. A Japanese fellow may spot these two products and identify them as both products of Japan Company X (a fictitious conglomerate, of course). First, I know of no other products than cars and boat motors that Nissan has made. However, Nissan could argue that in the Japanese market, an unfair association between a computer company with a tacky looking web page and their products caused their trademark to be violated because the Japanese people had reason to expect they were affiliated at the conglomerate level. In this international age, if you can achieve a ruling in court in one country, there are steps you could take to make the defendant's life very unpleasant.


      Finally, the only part of your message that is really relevant is this line, which I now quote back to you: "If you're going to be a mouthy fuckwit, at least do it with something you aren't wrong about."

    10. Re:Umm... by Arrowmaster · · Score: 1

      You say that the Ford Pinto is an example of a car sucking compared to a reliable Nissan. Now I wonder how much you really know about the Ford Pinto. Sure you know that there was a design flaw with the placement of the gas tank. There are many other cars that also have that problem, but just not as big of a problem (and hell all those imports that these morons are lowering by as much as 5 inches have a better chance of geting the gas tanks punctured by something). But the thing you probibly dont know about the Ford Pinto is that is was one hell of a reliable car. Sure my moms Pinto was so rusted she had to get metal plates welded to the doors to keep the water out, sure she had to get a big steal plate welded behind the seats to protect everybody in the car, sure it started up just fine when it was barried so deep in snow during the blizzard of '78(?) that it couldnt be seen even though my dads truck didnt start and it wasnt covered in much snow at all.

      When my mom was looking to buy a new Ommi GLH in '84 the conversation with the salesman was rather amusing (I've been told). It was something along the lines of 'So whats stoping you from buying this car', 'My Pinto still runs', 'Tell me you address, I'll bring my shotgun'. The comment was considered amussing be cause thats just about what it took to 'kill' a pinto. At the age of 12, my moms '72 pinto was still running fine but she sold it for a n '84 Omni GLH (Goes Like Hell), but it wasnt officialy a GLH because even though it had the exact same engine there was one cosmetic difference that prevented it from officialy being classifyed as a GLH model.

      I'll still stick with my, rare copper colored (only produced from factory in that color for 3 months, '96 Saturn SL, which I can get 0-60 in the 7's easy, 6's if I'm trying.

    11. Re:Umm... by OtaconX · · Score: 1

      umm...

      The guy's last name was "nissan". Thanks for your ignorance.

    12. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1

      Of course "reliable" has many different connotations. I think not burning the occupants to a crisp would be one aspect of a car you could rely on.

    13. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was aware of that. Thank you for pointing out that extremely obvious point. The reason Mr. Nissan had the opportunity to convert his domain to non-commercial use as opposed to having it confiscated from him was because he did have a legitimate claim to the name. However, the legitimacy of his claim is limited to purely NON-COMMERCIAL use. I love the over-simplicity of the posts on Slashdot. Why is it I can give a multi-paragraph analysis of trademark law, which clearly indicates I am familiar with the Uzi Nissan case, only to have some lowlife come back with a one line stupid remark? You are all familiar with the acronym RTFA. So, RTFP--read my posts in their entirety and think about them before spouting off a one-line retort. Even a paragraph long stupid remark is better because the time spent writing it will give you a chance to tone yourself down and keep from making a fool of yourself.

    14. Re:Umm... by ElectronicEnima · · Score: 1

      The whole issue is commercial use of a trademark, not use of someone's own name Maybe this retort is a bit too short, but you're the one who said it. Maybe you should read what you fucking said.

    15. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1

      I know what I said. Maybe you should re-read what I said: "...one line stupid remark." What I am looking for here is intelligent discussion on how trademark law, the federal Trademark Dilution Act, and birthnames are all related in the Nissan case (this is of course getting rather off-topic of the original Nissan story by now, but it is an interesting concept). I have no problem at all with being told I am wrong on any of my points as long as the post is backed up with legitimate points from legitimate sources. Examples of illegitimate points are: "you are wrong, fuckwit," "f&*@# you and your mom," or any of the other posts that express displeasure with my ideas without providing a rational debate on the topic. Just curious, did you even read my two long posts higher up in the thread?

    16. Re:Umm... by ElectronicEnima · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did read your posts, and I think you're an ignorant asshat. The guy had every right to use the name "Nissan" and to make money off it. It's two different industries and there's no reason why the little guy should have to close up shop just because a company selling completely different products wants the name. They aren't automatically entitled to the name just because that is the name they decided to use for their corporation. Maybe if you took a breadknife and sliced open your thick head you could realize one simple thing.

      It's the guy's fucking name, he has every right to use it for whatever the fuck he wants

      If Jack Macintosh decided that he should put his apple orchard business online promoting his "apples", Apple Computer would have no right to go after him. Any competant consumer would be able to see what is being sold. Maybe you corporate fuckwits should think about consumer darwinism a bit more and your pocketbooks a bit less.

    17. Re:Umm... by trg83 · · Score: 1
      You have failed to justify a single point you made. Good job! Do some research. Tell me why the Federal Trademark Dilution Act does not apply. Convince me. That's all I'm asking. NO ONE TOOK MR. NISSAN'S NAME. His name is still Uzi Nissan. He can still run Nissan Computers. He can not, however, use "Nissan" as a name by itself (specifically as a domain name) due to the trademark dilution rules.

      Having a name gives you absolutely no rights other than the right to call yourself that. By your own declaration, "It's the guy's fucking name, he has every right to use it for whatever the fuck he wants." This would mean that no trademark rules at all applied. It doesn't work that way. You mentioned that Uzi Nissan was okay because he was in a different industry. You also said that he could do whatever he wanted with his name. What's to keep him from selling cars--maybe used cars? Suddenly he is in the same industry. According to you, he's okay because that's his name and he can use it for whatever he wants. No, now he is clearly in trademark violation even without the Trademark Dilution Act. Your logic in this matter is internally inconsistent, and therefore flawed.

      The inhabited world is not, and never has been, quite the way you see it. It is not an anarchy where anyone can do whatever they think is good for themselves. This is obviously what you want it to be. I recommend relocating somewhere like a desert island or Antarctica if you want to live like that. Of course you won't have any need for those corporate fuckwits that produce life's luxuries like refrigerators, light bulbs, heaters/air conditioners, flushing toilets, microwaves, water pumps, or automobiles. Damn, they are so freaking evil. We don't need them one bit. I can't believe they want to make so much money that they can afford to stay in business and pay their employees! I'd like to see you reproduce all these things using sticks and stones (because without those evil corporate fuckwits, we definitely wouldn't have easily available power tools or even forged hand tools). A genius like you may be able to reproduce one of these things in a lifetime. I'll put my money on the flushing toilet, since you're full of shit and have a Slashdot username that makes me think "enema".

      I'm going to play your game for a while now. I'm an asshat, huh? I have never seen anyone wear a hat on their ass. You're a real creative guy, coming up with new ways of wearing your apparel. Good job with that.

      Hmm...slicked open my thick head with a breadknife. If it's so thick, I don't think a bread knife would be the right choice of tool. Maybe a Sawzall like the one mentioned in the Nissan article would be more effective. However, without those corporate fuckwits, a bread knife may be the only tool we have available.

      Have a nice day. I enjoy a good debate.

    18. Re:Umm... by ElectronicEnima · · Score: 1

      There's one simple fact that you are missing. He never claimed to be nissan motor corporation. Maybe if your mom gave better head you wouldn't have been born as such a dimwit. You should probably lay off those edible douches too, they kill brain cells quicker than the nazis.

      But, you are biased. And your opinions are clouding your judgement. Besides being way offtopic and arguing over something that's already done, you've made a complete fool out of yourself. Maybe you should stop trying to spread your capitalist propoganda and take a look around you. There are other systems besides this hellhole of corporate clout and corruption. Communism and socialism are working in many other countries. And let us not forget about the austrailian american war, where the soviet troops crushed the american panzer divisions with their super-secret kangaroo mounted tnt packs. They'd hop into camp and *boom* no more camp.

      Seriously, this is nothing compared with what happened back when general custer came back from the dead and tried to kill all the botswanians...

  8. Re:Fuck Nissan cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. Mod parent up as "Insightful".

  9. nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is just a silly article from Sport Compact Car. There are a lot of great sites out there for mods, some of them ridiculous, such as a Delorean pick up. I just found out someone from in a forum I attend that they have a Ford Focus running 436 hp at the wheels. Another person got a s2000 down to 2400 lbs, giving them a 10 lbs/HP ratio with a different air filter being the only power mod. I appreciate the effort but slashdot has never been a great place to talk about cars. It's not hopeless, though. Write up something on the Lotus Elise when it arrives in the U.S. and I'll be pleased. :)

    1. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      436Hp at the wheels is kind of insane, not as insane as the Hennesey Viper but still crazy. I mean the Sherman tank is only powered by a 400 horesepower engine and it is 32 tons!

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    2. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      the sherman tank also does 0-60 only when falling out of a plane.

    3. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Sherman tank also has 1000 ft-lb of torque.

    4. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      436hp at the wheels isn't that insane compared to what's out there. The impressive thing is that it was made using the Focus' 2.0L Zetec, running 26-28 psi. The guy doing it offers the only full fuel/air solution turbo kit for the Focus, though there are plenty other FI kits for it that get by with injectors and a chip. I mention his kit because this guy is not full of shit, he really has the power he claims. Oh, and it's still FWD. There is a V8 RWD conversion available for the Focus, though. I would love that.

      BTW, I meant a "monster truck" Delorean in my earlier post. I had to write quickly, being an AC and all.

    5. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by johny_qst · · Score: 1

      If anyone is taking suggestions for cars that are worth a geeks attention please find me more information about the Lotus 340 R. The Lotus site is pretty but lacking a reviewers attempt at translating the feeling of how it dives into corners. I wish I had the money to buy/rent one and pay for track time. :)

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    6. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Artifex · · Score: 1
      Write up something on the Lotus Elise when it arrives in the U.S. and I'll be pleased. :)


      Bah. I'm waiting for Koenigsegg to come to the U.S. It's a sexy transformer, even just sitting around. The website claims it's the fastest car in production, but I don't care, because I'd never drive it 1/3 that speed. It's just the kind of thing that makes you realize that Ferraris and Porsches are boxy and swollen, and that you don't have to give up the dreams about cars you had as a boy.

      It's a freaking super-sized matchbox car for grownups, and I want one.

      P.S. That top? It's removable! I can't find any pictures of it off, however. Just kidding, here's one, though that color scheme is a bit retrograde, and makes that console look too shagadelic for me, with that giant rotary thing in the middle. This one is better, looks like a spaceship from above, but it's the 2001 model, and I think the shape of the back's changed.

      P.P.S. Reminds me of Speed Racer from the back, too, with the twin cowling thing.

      Oh, and according to some wording that seems new since the last time I read the site... they now sell it in the U.S.?!? I was told they weren't cleared here yet, but cool.

      P.P.P.S. Yet another thing to make you think Sweden has more dibs on the word "lust" than the Germans. Except it probably costs as much as my parents' house, so I guess that also qualifies as envy :(
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    7. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by CaseyB · · Score: 1
      Write up something on the Lotus Elise when it arrives in the U.S. and I'll be pleased. :)

      How about a Caterham? Even crazier power:weight, and it has the added geek angle of building it yourself.

    8. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by ckimyt · · Score: 1

      I mean the Sherman tank is only powered by a 400 horesepower engine and it is 32 tons!
      The M1A1 is 63 tons, 1500 HP.
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    9. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      Give me a GE AC6000CW any way. Or at least pull the engine and bolt it into a Hyundai.

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    10. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Osty · · Score: 1

      It's just the kind of thing that makes you realize that Ferraris and Porsches are boxy and swollen, and that you don't have to give up the dreams about cars you had as a boy.

      I don't know about that. It looks quite a bit along the lines of the Carrera GT or the Enzo (though the Enzo has sharper lines). I don't know how much the Koenigsegg runs, but if it's anywhere in the vicinity of those two supercars ($500K and $650K, respectively for the Carrera GT and Enzo), it's out of most people's price range. It's certainly out of mine. Still, a sweet car, if not as boring as other Swedish cars.

    11. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by dsb · · Score: 1

      and a gun turret

    12. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      436Hp at the wheels is kind of insane, not as insane as the Hennesey Viper but still crazy. I mean the Sherman tank is only powered by a 400 horesepower engine and it is 32 tons!

      A lot of people don't realise it's the torque in a tank/truck/train engine that's the important factor, not the horsepower. A car engine that makes around 100hp will make around the same amount of torque (lbs ft). A large diesel engine will make at least 3 times as much torque as hp. The larger the engine, the more torque is produced...

    13. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes but a focus is a 4 banger 2.0 IIRC, 2.2 tops. The viper is a V8 with something like a 7 liter engine.

    14. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by British · · Score: 1

      If you are talking about the Caterham 7 kit-car, it has even LESS creature comforts, dials, guages, switches, and interior bits than the featured car in this article. :)

    15. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      torque is something directly related to horsepower/rpm, and can be made with gearing from hp, so diddidy daa, hp is all that matters for getting it from place a to b, hp is supposed to measure absolute POWER available to MOVE the thing, torque just tells how much power you got at certain rpm(approx HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252, http://www.epi-eng.com/PwTq.htm)..

      400hp sounds a bit small for tank engine though, very small actually, considering that t72's (6td-2, multi-fuel diesel, ie will burn just about anything) engine produces 1200hp.

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    16. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Viper is a 8.3L V10. The last generation I believe was an 8.0L V10 (don't quote me on the displacement there). That's why I've never liked the viper. The Vette is a much... well, better, nicer, all around cooler sports car for $20,000 less (Fully loaded Vette Z06 vs base model Viper), and what's the performance diffrence? Like .1 seconds, and .05g. Sure the Vette has less power, but with the $20,000 I saver, I'll bolt on a vortech supercharger, maybe some better springs, and call it a day (and still be $12,000 or so under the cost of the viper).

      The only thing the Viper has is rarity. It's a bit unique. But IMHO, it's not a good kind of unique, like say, a Ferrari Modena 360 (a work of fucking art .

      Hell, I'd rather have a Mustang, an MR2, or any of a hundred cars before the Viper. I guess my point is that it's performance is unimpressive compared to the cars around it. The vett does almost the same performance with 5.7L, why does the Viper need 8.3? It's a waste of good engineering talent.

    17. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Your engineering point is especially well made when you consider two more performance factors. 1. hp/liter and 2. specific output. My wife's new 2003 Accord v6 coupe makes around 240hp with its 3.0 liter engine. Following this design logic, an 8.3 liter engine should have around 650+ hp. I'm no Viper expert but I think stock, the v10 has around 500hp and plenty of torque. That seems wasteful from my perspective. Also the 2.0 liter 4 cylinder engine in the s2000 makes almost 240hp. Granted, it's a miracle of japanese engineering and it revs like crazy and has crappy torque, but it still has remarkable peak hp for its displacement. The Viper does one thing exceedingly well: illustrate the inferiority of old-school pushrod engineering.

      All in all the Viper, from an engineering standpoint, is a pretty big disappointment. I'll take a Supra or an NSX over it any day when it comes to rwd supercars.

    18. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by turbod · · Score: 1

      Okay, your formula is true -- however, the reality is, you don't want to be running a Honda 2.0L 16 Valve engine at 9000RPM, on boost no less, to get 1200hp continuously. The laws of physics still apply, and that motor ain't stayin' together long :)

      TurboD

    19. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by turbod · · Score: 1

      Pushrods are hardly inferior --- a 5.7L Corvette engine develops 405hp, and gets over 25mpg. It uses pushrods and can easily dip into the 7KRPM area without valve float. Chevrolet actually increased the hp on the ls1 when they went to the ls6 by extending the operational RPM range (well, that was part of it).

      I wouldn't say the Viper is a waste either... it does what it is designed to do, pull like a tractor in the low RPM bands, something the Viper customer base buys the car explicitly for. Of course they'd have more tractability with a 'Vette :)

      TurboD

    20. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, the DOHC was first used in 1912. I hate when people say pushrods are "old". That stinks of someone who hasn't looked into the Gen III V8. still uses knitting needles, yet gets great economy and has oodles of horsepower per litre, can be modded to 420 Kw reliable, revs to 7,000. It's all alloy and the next version even has variable cam timing and other new mods.

      Your a Yank, right,? Then get a Pontiac GTO when they conme out aka Holden Monaro. They spank the Supra OR the NSX. The 427 HRT Monaro spanks Porches. www.hrt.com.au if you want to look it up

    21. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by PyroMosh · · Score: 1

      Aggreed. Pushrods aren't dead. That's why the LS1 Family (Small Gen III Chevy small block V8s) was designed from a white sheet of paper. The engineers were allowed to do whatever they wanted for the new power plant introduced in the 1997 'vette. GM's only directive was that it remain a 5.7L V8 (for herritage / marketing purposes) After looking at Quad overhard cam engines, Rotary engines, and every thing under the sun, they settled on a (admitidly radicly diffrent from the last generation) V8 Pushrod design.

      Not only are the numbers that turbod gave accurate, but the concensus in the automotive community has been since 1997 that the LS1 could have put out 500 HP / Ft-Lbs stock from day one. GM's just been choaking the engine on purpose so that they can up the power every year and sell more cars. Now, LS1 and LS6 aren't the only engines in the family. The Gen III SB is in all manner of GM (5.3Ls, 6.0L LQ4 & LQ9, 4.8Ls, etc) trucks now too, and is still impressive. Great platform.

    22. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. The HRT monaro had TUNED DOWN yank engine in it. Of course it was going to win. The stink the other teams threw up about that was all over the papers. A quote from http://www.holden-vs-ford.com/hrt-427-monaro.shtml "The almost 7.0-litre V8 started out life as a standard 351 cube Gen III mill, but somewhere along the line Garry Rogers Motorsport got a hold of the powerplant from on the Le Mans-winning C5R Corvette and managed to wedge it into the engine bay of a fettled Monaro."

    23. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      400 HP in a front wheel drive car?! That's useless. Although AWD is a good combination, the most desireable setup is a mid-engine RWD car. Much better weight distribution and handling.

      Oh and then lets talk about understeer. Any FWD car (like the Focus), has enormous amounts of understeer. At least with RWD, you can control the back end of the car with the throttle.

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    24. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      While the Koenigegg is pretty cool I would prefer to have a "cheap" but awesome looking car. Not only does it look cool but its pretty much a full out race car. Ultima Cars - only 90K fully built, or you can get the kit for about 30K and put it together yourself.

    25. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by usotsuki · · Score: 1

      re sig, I think "pr0n searches for" us anywhere we are, Soviet Russia or not. *g*

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    26. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by belroth · · Score: 1
      What do you mean? It's got a seat and anything else required by law, if it doesn't need it or have to have it, it won't be there, like radio, carpet.
      Personally I'm surprised it has a roof - even though it's practically impossible to get in one with the roof up and it doesn't do much to keep the rain out. I'd love to try one but I'm too big to fit in one :-(

      Oh and they are FUN , in a roadholding rather than top speed sense.

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    27. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by belroth · · Score: 1
      I'd have a TVR T440R, a 4 litre straight six with 440bhp@7600rpm and 350ft.lbs@6000 rpm. 0-60 is sub 4 seconds and it should max out at 215mph+ (m not k). Admittedly its 70k ukpounds (c. USD 110,000 ), but that's still a lot cheaper than most cars with comparable performance.

      At the cheaper end of the range the 'cooking' Tuscan has a 350 bhp straight six, with a 0-60 of 4.2 secs and costs 40,000 ukp (usd 64,000).
      The 'old fashioned' Chimaera has a 4.5l V8 which only gives 285bhp/300ft.lbs but can still manage 0-60 in 4.7s (max 160) for 35k ukp.
      Oh, and they all sound great - even at the garage the mechanics turn their heads when they drive past.

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    28. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1
      Write up something on the Lotus Elise when it arrives in the U.S. and I'll be pleased. :)
      Bah. I'm waiting for Koenigsegg [koenigsegg.com] to come to the U.S.

      You're missing the point.

      An Elise probably has less power than anything else that's mentioned on this page. But it's quicker then 90% of things mentioned on this page in a straight line, and much faster than anything else on this page round corners.

      Anyone can heave more and more power into a car. What's great about the Elise is that it's all about doing more with less. It's the scalpel to your V8 powered gass guzzling chainsaw - delicate, precise, accurate. It's elegant in the hacker's sense of elegant.

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    29. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Dr_Auknix · · Score: 1

      And at the end of the day you'll still be the loser in the supra, with the slower timeslip (on the road track or race track) saying "But my car makes more horsepower per litre !" Ricers always love to say this, but the fact is, Peak numbers don't tell the whole story. It's the area under the curve, The duration of your rpm range where the motor makes power, Consider that a 8 litre motor will make a huge flat torque curve, it will make big power from idle to redline. It will idle WELL. It will GO regardless of what gear you're in, and to do all this, it only needs to rev to 5500rpm or so. Trust me, when you're running an endurance race, or just out bagging on your car, 5500rpm is a lot friendlier than 9000rpm (s2000) no matter how much engineering goes into it. My old 600cc supersport bike, made around 118 horsepower (at the crank) out of .6 litres. That's just under 200hp/litre ! But guess what, peak power is made around 12,000rpm, and peak torque is just above 10,000. a viper motor can easily be modded to 650 horsepower or more, ever stop to think that maybe a mass produced 650hp car would be a bad idea ? OHV motors have been around a long time too, as were turbos (1930's) so don't think some torqueless fuel injected 2 cam motor that makes good hp/litre is some marvel of spaceage technology. You know why japanese cars are made with such small motors ? cause gas costs triple what it does around here.

    30. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      Actually the Lotus Elise with the Integra Type R engine conversion is a bad little beast as well.

      You can spank Mustang Cobras with it too. :)

    31. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but my point (that I admittedly didn't make very well ;-) was that since diesel engines tend to generate large amounts of torque at lower revs, their hp figure will look low in comparison to a petrol engine:

      Example car: 100hp@5600rpm ~110lbft torque
      Example truck: 100hp@1500rpm ~300lbft torque

      So if the truck engine could rev as high as the car, the hp figure would look more impressive. This would also be why the hp figure for motorcycle engines would appear ridiculously high given their engine displacement. A 500cc cycle may have 125hp, but I'm pretty sure it would struggle to pull even a 1 tonne trailer up a hill...

    32. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      with right gearing (that didn't lose power&etc) that 125hp bike could pull that trailer just as well as 125hp car.

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    33. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by FyRE666 · · Score: 1

      Well no it couldn't; sure, you could increase the gear ratios, but then the bike would top out at around 30mph.

      Do you honestly think a corvette with a 400hp engine could pull a 40 tonne trailer up an incline at anywhere near the same rate as a 400hp articulated lorry?!

    34. Re:nice magazine, throwaway article by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      if you change the main flywheel ratio (perhaps poor translation) the 18kprm could be turned to something that looked like to top out at 5k(if it were a closed black box). the bike engines have very small good working rpm range though, so _that_ would be the most limiting factor in it being good for something(and why some bikes have more gears than most cars).

      400hp is 400hp, horsepower is meant to portray how fast that engine can move that trailer up the hill(so yes, 400hp engine can move it as fast as 400hp), http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower1.htm.

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  10. Awesome by Sialagogue · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

    I paid a stripper in Florida to do something similar once, but it turned out that even without all the exterior parts a lap dance still took two songs.

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    1. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 Points -Funny. (I've experienced Fot Lauderdale strippers.)

  11. '86 econobox by dpille · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I suppose the effort should be admired, but I was really hoping to see something like a 1986 Nissan Sentra modified. There's just some beauty lost in making a sporty-looking car go faster when imagination begs that you make a clunker rip down the road.

    1. Re:'86 econobox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice tripod link, asshole.

    2. Re:'86 econobox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like my 66 vw squareback locks old and decrepet original rims bad paint but nice rebuilt 1600 with nos. funniest thing seeing peoples faces when i smoke there rice rockets

    3. Re:'86 econobox by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      Ask, and ye shall recieve.

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    4. Re:'86 econobox by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      *ahem* recieve.

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  12. Re:My ex-girlfriend used to own a Nissan Sentra by deadsaijinx* · · Score: 1, Funny

    the ex or the car? (or both?)

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  13. Old News If You're Into Imports.... by owlicks58 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would take a wild guess, and say not many slashdotters are into imports, but that was an article from Sport Compact Car from 2 years ago. It was actually supposed to be a joke, but a good amount of people took it seriously at the time. Sport Compact Car got a lot of hate mail the month after that was published, hah.

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    1. Re:Old News If You're Into Imports.... by On+Lawn · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I was lucky enough to have worked a few saturdays with an editor of SCC on his project car. He showed me to a few of their cars and said something interesting. They don't own them, they are special liscenced with the auto manufacturers. This is true with their WRX and Sylvia and others. Its one of the ways they get around smog restraints.

      I'll have to ask him if this was one of those cars, but it sounds like when the lease expires they are supposed to trash the car. What a way to go...

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    2. Re:Old News If You're Into Imports.... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      More recently it was true with their Matrix, which they had to give back without really finishing since they screwed up the engine and wouldn't have had time to fix it before their time with it was up :)

    3. Re:Old News If You're Into Imports.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelled Silvia.

  14. Srashdot - News for Asians. Stuff that matters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    It's official. Since Slashdot featured a rice rocket on the front page with absolutely no mention of a computer anywhere, the site will now be known as Srashdot. News for Asians.

    Seriously though, wouldn't taking all the doors and stuff off make it a lot less areodynamic than the weight savings it generated? Did these people really have nothing better to do???

    1. Re:Srashdot - News for Asians. Stuff that matters. by Unregistered · · Score: 1

      1) it's a joke
      2) that took off about 1100 lbs. That's a tad noticable
      3) imo, it looks better now.
      4) I wonder if by adding a hood and big tires it would make a nice ATV

    2. Re:Srashdot - News for Asians. Stuff that matters. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      As others have said, it was a joke and the only reason it was done was because the magazines agreement with the manufacturers says they have to dispose of the car afterwards... I guess they did :)

  15. Common car mods? by SocialWorm · · Score: 1

    Since the article says "Many amateur drag racers stop at simply removing the passenger's seat and spare tire, but we remove everything: headliner, sunroof, carpet, dashboard, six-disc in-dash CD changer." Would I be correct in assuming this sort of thing is actually relatively common?

    Or is that part of the humor? :)

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    1. Re:Common car mods? by dknj · · Score: 1

      Usually they take out the back seat and put a custom shell with some sort of giant lcd or monitor and subwoofers next to it with a vcr, dvd player, or ps2 facing out towards the trunk. Go to import car shows, you'll see what i'm talking about.

      Now, my goal is to take my car (95 protege) and put a v6 engine in it. Not to race my car or to 'rice it up', but just to learn about cars in general. I'll post pictures when I start

      -dk

    2. Re:Common car mods? by Osty · · Score: 1

      Usually they take out the back seat and put a custom shell with some sort of giant lcd or monitor and subwoofers next to it with a vcr, dvd player, or ps2 facing out towards the trunk.

      Because obviously all of that A/V equipment is lighter than the bench that was in their before ...

    3. Re:Common car mods? by mosch · · Score: 1

      Among the people who actually race their cars, yes, it's very common to have completely stripped cars. Of course, most of the people who race seriously have a dedicated race car, which makes this far more feasible.

    4. Re:Common car mods? by bbqBrain · · Score: 1
      Just curious, but why a V6? It seems the added weight of a six cylinder engine would make the handling all wonky...plus, you'd need a different transmission and may have trouble locating axles that will fit (custom jobs are, obviously, very expensive).

      Do you have the 1.5L or 1.8L? If it's the 1.8, you have a really great starting point for a small car (under 2400 lbs.). I'd recommend a turbocharger instead, but you can probably get some good advice at http://www.flyinmiata.com/protege/default.asp. (Bah. After looking at their turbo kit, it looks like it would only work on the newer 2.0L.) If you have the 1.5L, perhaps a swap to a more potent four cylinder would be a good choice.

      Good luck with the project. I've done some mods to my Civic Si (mostly suspension) and have spent a good deal of time researching performance modifications. Feel free to email me if you want any input.

      A couple other good links in case you haven't seen them already:

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    5. Re:Common car mods? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      I pulled the back seat out of a 2 door compact I had a couple of years ago - nobody ever rode in the back and it was extra weight, so why not? :)

      But more to the point for the on-the-track drag racing scene, it's a VERY common thing. More weight != fast. People that are into this heavily and can afford to have a car "just for the track" usually strip the entire interior down to just bare metal and a driver's seat. Peope who are less into it cut weight by pulling out whatever they don't consider "needed." So yeah, it's not unusual.

    6. Re:Common car mods? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      It's a different scene entirely. The people who like to "trick out" their cars with rediculously expensive custom paint jobs and electronics are into the show car side of things. They're the ones you're most likely to see at the auto shows showing off their "sweet rides." The lower class of this group are the idiots you see on the street that inspire the coffee can muffler parodies. Check out this site if you want a good laugh.

      Then you have the people that are into the technical side of things. This is definitely the point of view of SCC (the magazine this story was originally from). It's usually not hard to find their disdain for the latter group somewhere in any given issue of one of their magazines. Imagine a publication kind of like Autoweek or Motortrend, but that doesn't really give a shit about "luxury" or "amenities" and only really care about one thing - speed. Then you'll have an idea of what audience this article was aimed at.

      Really, if you know about cars, the reason the article is so funny is because the things they're doing are basically exagerated versions of what real life morons do because they think it'll make their cars faster. The fact that they basically destroyed the car to gain 2.1 seconds on the 1/4 mile is the punch line. :)

  16. old, not news by TeldakSS · · Score: 1

    This article is quite old, albeit funny. It doesn't really involve ANY form of tech whatsoever, tho hopefully it will bring nice people on VWV.

    Basically, they tear out anything and everything they can and mod anything and everything they can that is free. So I do suppose that puts it with the overclocking crowds...

    1. Re:old, not news by saskboy · · Score: 1

      "So I do suppose that puts it with the overclocking crowds..."

      Eeek! The DMCA is going to get them too then?

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    2. Re:old, not news by TeldakSS · · Score: 1

      I don't think the DMCA will get them. That's what they have CARB for, at least in Cali. Not to mention any emissions in your area. Luckily, my home county is completely emissions-crap-free. And I have plenty of family members who would be willing to allow me to register my car under them should i move...

    3. Re:old, not news by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      Luckily, my home county is completely emissions-crap-free.
      Eh, they're really not that bad a thing. It keeps the SUV driving morons of the world from fucking up the environment any more than they already are with their 10 mpg "vehicles." It's annoying, yeah, but it just forces people to be a little more creative in their tuning. Now, the people I really feel sorry for are the Californians with their crappy 91 octane gas.
  17. um... by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 1, Insightful

    sorry, but why is this here?... i really expect to see more computer-related things at slashdot... theres car mod-related websites, and this isnt one of them. keep in mind, i love car mods. i just dont expect to see that at slashdot. slashdot doesnt need to branch off into everything there is and try to become the source for it; i can go to microsoft.com for that...

    1. Re:um... by mesach · · Score: 1

      Your new to slashdot aren't you.

      this is nothing new... it used to be a quality rag to read daily, but in the last 2 years it has gone down hill what with all the dupes posted, that reminds me... /me rummages through old slashdot articles and notices that there hasnt been that any dupes since april fools.

      this should be reposted in about 3 hours so we can all have this same situation all over again

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    2. Re:um... by mattsouthworth · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It's fucking midnight on a friday - what else do you expect?

    3. Re:um... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      2 years? Haha. It has been crap since before then. I think that the 'slashdot is getting crappy' is just bullshit. It has always sucked.

      I still read it, though.

    4. Re:um... by heli0 · · Score: 1

      It's fucking midnight on a friday - what else do you expect?

      Michael to be out with a woman...

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    5. Re:um... by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 1

      "It has always sucked."

      That's simply not true, Mr. uid>10,000. ;-)

      I remember when you could get good super-computing advice on /., back when Rob was learning to make mugs in ceramics class.

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    6. Re:um... by Kiwi · · Score: 1
      I think the big change is that Slashdot used to be essentially a 100% Linux site; the moderation system and attracting the crowd of media pirates during the Napster era came later. The big flame war when I got my Slashdot UID was whether Free QT's not-quite-open-source license was OK for a Linux desktop or not.

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    7. Re:um... by maelstrom · · Score: 1
      Well yeah, I remember when there were no user accounts and people like JWZ frequented the boards. There's always people saying how /. is going downhill, and in many ways they are right. It doesn't scale well.

      Frankly, I usually only come back here for nostalgic reasons. I don't actually find a lot of value here anymore. YMMV.

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    8. Re:um... by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      *smack* Wake up.

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    9. Re:um... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      My uid is > 10000 simply because in the 'good-ol-days' I thought that posting as AC was sufficent and saw no reason to register.

      Eventually, I realized that nobody read AC posts and registered.

    10. Re:um... by Anml4ixoye · · Score: 1
      i really expect to see more computer-related things at slashdot
      Really, why?

      If you look at the phrase right under the Slashdot logo it says, "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters." Note that doest not say "News for Nerds about stuff that matters." This means that anything for nerds is fair game, and anything that matters. And sense this is Rob's site, what matters is completely up to him. If you don't like it, you are more than welcome to start your own site.

      I, for one, enjoyed the article. I thought it was hilarious, and showed good engineering concepts about what you can and can't do to a vehicle and keep it running. I saw parallels between the story and things I run into everyday in the computer world. You get people who think they know what they are talking about who demand impossible things for free. Well, these guys showed that. so what if it was on a car instead of a computer program.

    11. Re:um... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      I, for one, enjoyed the article. I thought it was hilarious, and showed good engineering concepts about what you can and can't do to a vehicle and keep it running. I saw parallels between the story and things I run into everyday in the computer world. You get people who think they know what they are talking about who demand impossible things for free. Well, these guys showed that. so what if it was on a car instead of a computer program.
      Heh, the article is actually making fun of the people who "mod" their car in rediculous ways because they think it makes them faster when it actually slows them down. This article is originally from Sport Compact Car magazine, who is VERY much into the technical side of automotive tuning - it's written for car geeks. You know, the people who actually KNOW what they're doing. The people the article's making fun of are essentially the script kiddies of the automotive world. :)
  18. Not far enough though.... by Zimm · · Score: 1

    I kept scrolling down seeing them remove more from the car to make it lighter, and was dissapointed that they never turned on the driver ;-D

  19. :: Groans :: by Jim_Hawkins · · Score: 1
    Man...to kill that poor, poor car.

    It also brings up the question - If cars could feel naked... ;-)

    1. Re::: Groans :: by UnixRevolution · · Score: 1

      That car didn't look like it was exactly happy *before* they case modded it ;)

      Spoiler, Ground FX, thin tires that slap louder than a pound of C4 going off when you run over a fly...

      If you ask me, this is a huge improvement.

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  20. Where's the Neon? by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bah, it's not a case mod unless you use Neon, and a blue-LED fan in the shape of a biohazard symbol...

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    1. Re:Where's the Neon? by Jonboy+X · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, my sister drives a Neon, and it'd take one heck of a mod to get that thing running 14's...

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    2. Re:Where's the Neon? by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure he meant neon lights, man.

    3. Re:Where's the Neon? by Quikah · · Score: 1

      Dodge didn't think so. Just drop a new engine in there. :)

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    4. Re:Where's the Neon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure he knew that, man.

    5. Re:Where's the Neon? by compwizrd · · Score: 1

      There are neon's running 12's all-motor(still the 2.0 in it)

      As well.

      www.dodgegarage.com

      There's a Reliant(k-car) running 10.41, with a turbo.

  21. DUCT TAPE by mesach · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am sooo glad that the only thing that they seem to have ADDED for some stability somewhere on the car, was done with DUCT TAPE!

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    1. Re:DUCT TAPE by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no doubt, man. Now all they need is hot glue and then they'll have a real case mod on their hands.

  22. What an overweight turd by Snarfvs+Maximvs · · Score: 5, Funny

    They ripped all that off the car and it still tips the scales at over 1700 lbs??? That engine must have a cast lead block or something.

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    1. Re:What an overweight turd by Flounder · · Score: 1
      I was kinda pissed that they had the Sawzall out, and all they could hack off was the trunk and the roof. Jeez, c'mon! 1 driver don't need all that floorboard. And why keep the fenderwells there. Such a lack of effort on their part.

      Granted, anytime you see a ricer cut apart, always puts a smile on my face.

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    2. Re:What an overweight turd by ncc74656 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I was kinda pissed that they had the Sawzall out, and all they could hack off was the trunk and the roof. Jeez, c'mon! 1 driver don't need all that floorboard.

      Given that there's no frame to which everything is bolted, you wouldn't be able to take much out of the floor without having it crumple up. Hell, it's a bit of a wonder it didn't start sagging when they popped the roof off.

      Granted, anytime you see a ricer cut apart, always puts a smile on my face.

      :-)

      (Anyone else notice the similarities between case modders and riceboys? They both do stupid sh*t to their gear that doesn't do a thing to improve performance, yet they think they're super-1337.)

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    3. Re:What an overweight turd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly certain that if the engine is an SR20DE as said in the article that the block is aluminum.

    4. Re:What an overweight turd by asramchusak · · Score: 2, Funny

      They ripped all that off the car and it still tips the scales at over 1700 lbs??? That engine must have a cast lead block or something.

      That was with Cowboy Neal behind the wheel! ;)

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    5. Re:What an overweight turd by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      ... or they buy turbos. You were saying?

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    6. Re:What an overweight turd by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well there is some difference. In many cases, case modding is about making your computer look good. There is nothing wrong witht hat, jsut liek there is nothing wrong with modding your car to make it look good. Maxing your gear look good is a fine goal. What is stupid about ricing is it is about making your gear look FAST. Many (most even) rice boy mods look retarded, they are just to give the impression that the car can go fast. Well that is dumb. Modding your car to make it go faster is cool, modding your car to make it look better is cool, modding it to look faster (and dumber) is stupid.

    7. Re:What an overweight turd by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, the best parts of this article for me were definitely when the crew cut 3 tenths of a second off the quarter-mile time by simply swapping 15-inch wheels for those 19-inch penis magnifiers the owner had on, and when they removed those ridiculous spoilers/air dams/etc. You might have to worry about aerodynamic drag and downforce at Indy or an NHRA dragster event, but street racing in a sport compact? As these guys demonstrate (by taking it to its absurd limit), in that situation, you'll want the lightest car with the most powerful engine.

      The next time I see some idiot motoring down the street in a riced out 4-cyl. with a giant aluminum rear spoiler, glasspack muffler, "blackout" or clear polycarbonate head/tailights, 3cm of ground clearance, tires that belong at Indy, and decals for products the owner is not paid to endorse (and are probably not present in the car), I will remember this article. And then I will laugh.

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    8. Re:What an overweight turd by photon317 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Agree completely with what you're saying - but I would like to add a note about downforce and drag. They can and do have an effect even under mere street/highway-racer speeds. Drag in particular is apparent on a straight highway where max speed is all that matters. My extremely (for a sporty car) un-aerodynamic trans am gets drag-limited at around 160mph on the highway, with plenty left on the gears (good luck redlining 6th ...). Downforce is a bit harder to argue for, but I'm sure any hard curves or corners at or above 50mph or so probably gain some small effect. Of course downforce gear on a real race car is tuned for each track - so a fixed configuration like the ricers tend to have is going to be unpredictable at best on the street depending on the situation - too much downforce just slows you down, and not enough will cause you to loose control on a fast turn.

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    9. Re:What an overweight turd by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      In many cases, case modding is about making your computer look good.

      I don't know how non-stupid case modding is. Two things that have always fascinated me are plexiglas and neon lights. There is a reason your computer came wrapped in steel. This is because it generates RF noise. It seems to me that plexiglas cases would make every component within ten feet of the computer (phone, speakers, etc.) buzz like crazy, to say nothing of allowing any random RF that happens to fly by to freely induce current in random circuit traces on your motherboard. I'm really scratching my head over neon lights, tho. It's like- let's take the most violently energetic lighting system we know of, and put it inside a computer case with thousands of dollars of extremely sensitive equipment. But wait - there's more! Let's pick a lighting system based on conversion of UV rays into visible light by the frosted coating inside the glass. Result? Go to too many LAN parties, and the jostling will liberate said coating and bathe your components in UV.

      If you don't know what UV does to chips, those of us old enough to have used UV rigs to clear bios chips in AT clones would tell you, were it in character for arrogant, crusty old computer hacks to do so.

    10. Re:What an overweight turd by compwizrd · · Score: 1

      What year is this T/A? Modern T/A's have one of the lowest C/D's out there!

    11. Re:What an overweight turd by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      In many cases, case modding is about making your computer look good.

      I suppose that depends on your definition of "good." You're going into an area that's highly subjective. I think the windows, lights, and other crap some people add look ghey as hell, but YMMV.

      What is stupid about ricing is it is about making your gear look FAST.

      That much is true...there's a difference between looking fast and actually being fast that the riceboys just don't get.

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    12. Re:What an overweight turd by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Rarely. Usually they're more concerned with a $1000 body kit. And half the time they fuck that up to. It's not unheard of for ricers to buy cheap CF hoods that actually end up weighing MORE than the stock hood did in the first place. Ricers talk big, but half of the time, their "sweet ass mods" have actually worked to slow their cars down. The people actually willing to put the money into a turbo (you're talking $3000 just for the parts on most cars) generally aren't going to go out of their way just to make the car "look cool." Sure, they want it to look nice, but they're not the ones putting a 3 foot tall spoiler on their rear decklid. (With it leaning back so it actually causes lift, the opposite of what a spoiler is SUPPOSED to do. And yes, I have seen this. With my own eyes. Multiple times.)

    13. Re:What an overweight turd by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      there's a difference between looking fast and actually being fast that the riceboys just don't get.
      Yeah, no joke. One of the fastest cars I've ever ridden in was one you wouldn't expect to be - a Mazda Protoge 5 hatchback I guy I know had. On the outside, the only difference from stock was the fact it had Z rated tires and the suspension had been dropped an inch or two (nothing too terribly obvious). The interior was completely stock, he hadn't even swapped out the crappy factory CD player. However, out on the highway that car could do 145mph without straining itself. Needless to say, under the hood, it was NOT stock. :) The only thing that gave it away was the fact that it was LOUD, but that's the price you pay, I guess. Since then though, he's sold off that car and bought one of the new Mazdaspeed Protoges. God only knows how fast that thing's gonna be when he gets done with it. And him being best friends with the master mechanic of the local Mazda dealership certainly isn't hurting him there. ;)
    14. Re:What an overweight turd by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      As for UV damage, I dunno, but for RF it doesn't matter. I've had various computers at various points in time run with no cover, just the frame of a case. It has never interfered with anything around it, including my audio gear.

    15. Re:What an overweight turd by photon317 · · Score: 1


      It's a 99, and while I'm sure the drag is great compared to some cars, it's not low enough for truly high speed stuff. Mine is a WS6 with only minor bolt-on performance stuff (lowered thermostat, ported MAF, lid/filter, hypertech, etc) - so probably realistically seeing about 350-360 hp at the rear wheels - and it is definitely drag limited around the 160-165-ish mark on a flat highway (hard to tell - the speedo stops right about the same point - if I had enough highway it might crawl to 170-something over the course of a few minutes, but how would I know?).

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  23. Interesting, but... by aarondyck · · Score: 2

    While I found the article incredibly interesting, it is not really /. material. That said, I enjoyed looking through the piece; it was well thought-out and I certainly thought the pictures were a nice touch. The end result was a spiffy-looking frame (for those of you who didn't bother to follow the link) lacking only in luxuries...as long as you're used to riding a horse and buggy. The final product seemed to be overly square and didn't really strike me as the speed demon it was purported to be.

    Of course, this could just be all my imagination, I am crazy, after all.

    1. Re:Interesting, but... by smash · · Score: 1
      Hmm... I disagree - I think it IS slashdot material.

      News for nerds... that doesn't necessarily restrict you to PC nerds, but also engineers, etc.... this article was about a bunch of car-geeks who thought they'd take the principle of weight reduction to the extreme and see what happened.

      *shrug*

      Just a different class of Nerd/Geek thats all :)

      smash(Nissan SR20DET 180sx Driver :).

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    2. Re:Interesting, but... by DuranDuran · · Score: 1

      **WHOOSH**

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    3. Re:Interesting, but... by aarondyck · · Score: 1

      After some thought, I am inclined to agree with you. Still, /. has a distinct feel of tech. I'm sure there are similar sites for engineers and the like, a place where engineering marvels can be discussed. And if there isn't, why doesn't someone start one using the slashdot engine?

  24. Can't believe it took this long... by Shant3030 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting that one of the hottest hobbies, took this long to make a slashdot discussion. Modding cars is become such a big thing amongst people with all types of cars. From Neon's to bimmers, people do pretty cool thing to enhance the appearance and performance of their cars. Not all look, perform or sound too hot, but some can be better than any factory car you can get.

    Its also a great way to actually learn about how cars are made and produced.

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    1. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by big_groo · · Score: 1
      I can't say it any better than this guy did.

      Go someplace else if you want to talk about cars.

      Here is a start.

    2. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally I enjoyed this but thought it didn't particularly fit slashdot. Maybe if /. had a car geek section with its own icon so people who think cars are just transportation could ignore it more easily? Now if /. wants to have some articles about cars on here, something on OBD-II and CAM would be a good start, right? Or some breaking news on one of the various open source engine management systems in development, or really spiffy automotive technology being developed - oh wait, there was that thing on the BMW or Mercedes or whatever interface shit a while back. So it's not like there's never been any geeky car shit on here. Maybe we just need more of it... But we won't reach the critical mass where it gets its own section unless we run it up, it won't happen overnight.

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    3. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting that one of the hottest hobbies, took this long to make a slashdot discussion. Modding cars is become such a big thing amongst people with all types of cars. From Neon's to bimmers, people do pretty cool thing to enhance the appearance and performance of their cars. Not all look, perform or sound too hot, but some can be better than any factory car you can get.

      There's no accounting for taste, but most of the mods are total crap. Double-bookshelf wings on FWD cars, ugly bodykits that add an insane amount of weight and screw up the car's aeordynamics, neon lights that do nothing but annoy other drivers, outrageously large wheels ("rims", as the "tunerz" call them) that ride like shit, lowered suspensions without an accompanying alignment (or worse, suspensions lowered simply by cutting the springs already there, rather than replacing with proper springs), decals that are silly (yes, your Civic is a Honda, we know that; so why must you have "Powered by Honda" on your front windscreen, obscuring half of your forward vision?), re-badging (the Civic Type-R is only available as a right-hand drive car, because it's only available in Japan; adding a Type-R badge and the red Honda "H" does not make your Civic a Type-R), Z3 fender gills on non-Z3s, etc.


      Unfortunately, this isn't even limited to the sport compact crowd, either. Look on ebay to see a whole slew of ruined older 911s that would be great except that the owners decided to "upgrade" them. Be very careful, because that 993 you're looking at may not be a 993 at all, but a 79 911SC with a 993 body.


      Maybe somebody thinks these mods look good, and some of them do (a high-quality custom paint job, for example). Most, however, look like crap. They add nothing to the car, and just single you out as a poseur. Not to mention that most people doing these mods think they somehow make their cars fast, and then try to race anything and everything on the road. There's a place for racing, and it's not on the street.

    4. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by CreateWindowEx · · Score: 1
      (or worse, suspensions lowered simply by cutting the springs already there, rather than replacing with proper springs)

      Actually, slightly lowering your car by cutting off a half-coil is recommended by some respected motorsports books because it not only reduces the center of gravity but slightly increases the effective spring-rate as well. I also know people who've bent their front struts to gain some negative camber, but that seems a little sketchy to me...

      I agree, though, that most of these modded cars are slower than stock, although if I see one with big floppy drag tires on the front wheels I have to allow for the possibility of it being fast. My other favorite is the cars whose main modification seems to be sticking the wheels out an extra six inches or so--the thought of all that shearing force on the bearings makes me cringe...

    5. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, slightly lowering your car by cutting off a half-coil is recommended by some respected motorsports books because it not only reduces the center of gravity but slightly increases the effective spring-rate as well. I also know people who've bent their front struts to gain some negative camber, but that seems a little sketchy to me...

      I guess it really depends on the goal, but if I were trying to lower my car for better handling, I'd do it by replacing the springs rather than cutting the springs I already have. Sure, it costs more money, but then I have springs that were designed for lowering the car rather than springs that have been cut. Same with bending struts for cambe. If I can't get enough camber out of the suspension components I have, I'll replace them with more adjustable components. Once you start bending and cutting stuff, I'm loathe to assume that those components are still structurally sound, and that's the last thing I want to worry about out on the track.


      I agree, though, that most of these modded cars are slower than stock, although if I see one with big floppy drag tires on the front wheels I have to allow for the possibility of it being fast.

      Personally, I wouldn't worry about cars with drag tires on them, because I don't drag race (my car is not a drag racer, even if I wanted it to be). As well, the car may be fast, but if the guy is challenging me on the street I just shake my head and ignore him (like some jackhole in a MB C35 AMG tried to do today on the interstate -- he was driving like a maniac, and tried to race me and an S2000; we both ignored him, so he sped off like a moron, endangering the lives of everybody on the road).


      My other favorite is the cars whose main modification seems to be sticking the wheels out an extra six inches or so--the thought of all that shearing force on the bearings makes me cringe...

      When I see that, I usually assume the goal was to fit wider wheels on the car than stock. Useful in a RWD car to help reduce understeer/increase oversteer, since most cars have understeer dialed in from the factory. Pretty useless on a FWD car except for the larger patch of rubber, but then it's usually the rear tires these guys do, anyway, which gives absolutely no benefit. Personally, I might be tempted to put 10" or 10.5" wheels on my car (my rears right now are 8.5" fronts and 9.5" rears, with 205/17s on the front and 255/17s on the rear), but most likely I'll stick with the wheels I have and put 225/17s on the front when it comes time to change the rubber (soon). I certainly wouldn't go any larger than that, especially since I'm in a rainy area, and wider tires lead to more pronounced hyrdoplanning.

    6. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 1

      Man, I really should've proof-read more closely. "my rears right now are 8.5" fronts and 9.5" rears, with 205/17s on the front and 255/17s on the rear" should read "my wheels right now are 8.5" fronts and 9.5" rears, with 205/17s on the front and 255/17s on the rear".

    7. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by GoRK · · Score: 1

      That would be cool, but it's covered elsewhere better than here on /. .. for instance, newer model BMW's (from about 1995 onward) have all kinds of neat data buses that you can patch into, and they have been almost completely reverse engineered. You can, for instance, use it to build an MP3 player that uses your steering wheel buttons to change/select songs and prints the display onto the dashboard :)

    8. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      In some cases with those 911's they were already damanged or something was wrong with them. But if you look into the costs, to build a 993 out of a 911SC its gonna cost close to what you would spend to buy a 993. There are some on there where people have replaced a blown or otherwise broken 911SC engine with a tuned or just regular 993 engine which isn't too bad. They make good cars to convert into full on track cars.

      But yeah, most mods are crap.

    9. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by SaturnTim · · Score: 1

      Uhhhh, Modding cars has been around a lot longer than you think. Car modding has been around since Ford decided all model T's would be black. (before then all cars were custom made, no modding needed).

      It's just the current style of modding that has changed.

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    10. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by On+Lawn · · Score: 1


      Here is another. Its a scoop engine automotive journal by yours truely. If the link doesn't work its becuase I'm rebuilding my gentoo server at the moment.

    11. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 1

      But if you look into the costs, to build a 993 out of a 911SC its gonna cost close to what you would spend to buy a 993.

      Seems a little pointless to me. If you can afford to turn an old 911SC into a 993, then you could afford to just buy a 993 outright. But then, I guess the same thing applies across the board. The sport compact guys that spend money turning a Civic into a BMW usually end up spending more than if they'd just bought a BMW 3-series to begin with.


      There are some on there where people have replaced a blown or otherwise broken 911SC engine with a tuned or just regular 993 engine which isn't too bad. They make good cars to convert into full on track cars.

      I'm all for engine transplants. That's a useful mod. Unfortunately, a lot of the conversions I've seen are cosmetic-only. The suspension, drivetrain, and engine are still original, but the body has been updated to look like it's something it's not. As far as building a track car goes, I've seen some fast Civic track cars. As you might guess, they didn't have "phat rims", a crazy body kit, or even a spoiler (Civics really don't need much of a spoiler at all, and certainly not huge spoilers as seen in "Fast and the Furious"). There's a huge difference between making a car fast and making it look fast.

    12. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Go someplace else if you want to talk about cars.

      No. Make me.

      Dude, what is the problem here? If you don't like it, don't read it. Same goes for the stories on anime, Buffy, the War, Star Wars, Macs, some particularly exotic Linux distro, Windows, Music, and a dozen other topics. They're ALL done better other places, but I don't necessarily want to GO other places for this marginalia, I come HERE.I have a finite amount of hours in my day, and, unlike you I guess, don't feel obliged to read every single article that scrolls across the front page of SlashDot.

      Now, I don't know a crankcase from a sparkplug, but I checked out the link, skimmed the article, and find myself slightly more informed about a topic that is meaningful to a LOT of like-minded people. I recommend you either do the same, or skip along to the next story. Your blood pressure will thank you, and so will everyone here who is trying to learn or contribute something.

    13. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by flewp · · Score: 1

      (Civics really don't need much of a spoiler at all, and certainly not huge spoilers as seen in "Fast and the Furious"). There's a huge difference between making a car fast and making it look fast.

      But how will people know it's a race car if it doesn't have a huge wing?!? But seriously, all those big wings do is add weight, drag, and take AWAY traction from the front tires. I've only seen one Civic that's been modded that looks good, and it's my friend's. He's proud of it, and I don't blame him. It's the first Civic I've seen that's got nice, clean lines, no wing, and no decals, and a body kit that actually reduced curb weight (albiet, only by roughly 10 pounds). In fact, it almost looks like it could have come from the factory the way it is, except for the rims and the slight lowering. As for performance, it's got some aftermarket headers and air filter. He also just got a new exhaust system setup, and it's a lot quieter and smoother sounding than all the other rice farters. Most ricers seem like they're burping for air when they're struggling to accelerate. You might wonder why he bothered with a Civic, but living in Wisconsin, it's not a bad choice for a car that drives nice in winter and will also last a really long time.

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    14. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually cutting the springs is even worse than that. Usually this is done with a smoke wrench wich heats the metal enough to destroy the temper. Basically the spring is ruined after that. Even a hacksaw will do this just to a smaller area.

      A good set of springs is pretty cheap, so I do not see any benifit to this.

      Also a lot of the cars modded to have their tires stick out of the fenderwells run narrow enough tires that this mod is pointless. It is purely for asthetics, and is usually combined with whitewall tires and chrome or gold spoked rims. And it absolutely destroys the cars handling by changing the effective geometry of the suspension.

    15. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      Seems a little pointless to me. If you can afford to turn an old 911SC into a 993, then you could afford to just buy a 993 outright. But then, I guess the same thing applies across the board. The sport compact guys that spend money turning a Civic into a BMW usually end up spending more than if they'd just bought a BMW 3-series to begin with.

      I agree compleatly, that's kinda what I was trying to say, guess I didn't quite explain myself. I think that its feasable to do (turn a old 911SC into a 993) as long as you don't mind not having the newer interior, because I would bet that would be more expensive then just dropping the newer engine in and a new suspension.

    16. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      A good set of springs is pretty cheap, so I do not see any benifit to this.
      Agreed. And even if you didn't want to go that far, there are always cheap coilover kits available.
    17. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by DuranDuran · · Score: 1

      > Go someplace else if you want to talk about cars.

      So you're in charge of /. now, are you? You get to decide what constitutes /. material and what doesn't?

      Why don't YOU go someplace else if you DON'T want to talk about cars? Modding motor vehicles is just as relevant as any of the other stuff that pops up on /.

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    18. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 1

      I think the best explanation for what the big-ass wings do can be found here, in the first e-mail on 7/23/2002. To quote:

      THE WING SERVES A PURPOSE,IT HOLDS THE TRUNK LID DOWN AT HIGH SPEEDS ,AND BLOCKS THE VIEW OF UGLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU FROM BEIND SEEN IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR

      I'm sure the guy meant "rear of the car" rather than trunk lid (of course, he apparently doesn't understand the difference between FWD and RWD), but his poor grasp of English actually makes his point valid. Big wings do help hold your trunk lid down (well, if your trunk latch were somehow to break, like floorboards apparently break at high speed)!
    19. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by CreateWindowEx · · Score: 1
      The "wheels shoved out to the sides" cars I've seen were most definitely cars that had never seen a race track, more of a style thing--it's not the usual "rice" thing, because they don't seem to have extra spoilers and "Type R" stickers.

      Anyways, I myself went for camber plates instead of bending my struts, although the guy I know who went the bending route has had tons of track time on that car with no problems. Since at the present time I just do open lapping sessions with no racing, I'm much more interested in mods that make the handling more neutral, keep the brakes from fading, or make the car more reliable under track conditions, rather than eaking out a little more horsepower or shaving off a few pounds.

      It's interesting that the performance-oriented wing of the Japanese import crowd seems much more focused on drag racing, while their counterparts in the Bimmer/Porsche groups go for road racing as the yardstick by which to judge a sports car. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

    20. Re:Can't believe it took this long... by Osty · · Score: 1

      Since at the present time I just do open lapping sessions with no racing, I'm much more interested in mods that make the handling more neutral, keep the brakes from fading, or make the car more reliable under track conditions, rather than eaking out a little more horsepower or shaving off a few pounds.

      I'm at the same level you are, open lapping without any official timing (ie, not Solo I). I'm not at the point where I need to modify my car yet, since I'm still learning. I plan to get into autocross in a year or so, money providing, so I might be more concerned about weight at that point, but neutralizing the handling of the car will be a more important first step. As far as horsepower goes, I don't even drive to the full capabilities of my car yet, so that money is better spent on driver education for now.


      It's interesting that the performance-oriented wing of the Japanese import crowd seems much more focused on drag racing, while their counterparts in the Bimmer/Porsche groups go for road racing as the yardstick by which to judge a sports car. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

      Very true. I'd compare it to the past -- American muscle cars were about drag racing, and they were much more accessible, so people dragged them. German autos were about road racing even back then, but then as now, they weren't as accessible and so it wasn't the popular sport. Japanese imports have taken the place of the American muscle car as the accessible racer, and so that's what people race today. (It's annoying when people use the term "import" to mean only Japanese cars, and so lump those of us with precision pieces of German engineering in the same boat when they refer to "import racing". Not trying to be high-and-mighty, just pointing out that "import racing" usually means drag, which few German cars do well.) It's a shame, though, as many of the cars people trick out for dragging would be better suited to carving up a road track instead.


      Now I just need to find time to get back to the track again ...

  25. Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why spend all that money hopping up a cheap little econocar?

    Kind of like buying a $200 aluminum case for a 486.

    1. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by Skreech · · Score: 1

      Look again! They claimed to have a budget of US$0, and from the pictures, that's probably not far off. You'd have to consider the tools though, I think the $0 budget thing shouldn't be taken quite so literally. If the weight of a computer had anything to do with it's performance, using your anology, it'd be like taking all the internals of the 486 and hooking them together on a tabletop in the open. That's not practical, but neither is the end result of these folks' experiment.

      What I want to know is, where'd the car come from? What's the real story behind all this? I mean, it didn't look like they cared about the condition of the ground effects kit, which could be sold. Supposedly, it was a perfectly good car... I can't come up with a good excuse about why they'd trash a car like that. Don't get me wrong, I don't cry a single tear for the loss of an '01 Nissan Sentra. But... why? Was tearing it apart as an elaborate joke worth really worth the money they could have sold it for?

    2. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Are there really 486 motherboards in the ATX form factor?

      I have a sweet little 386sx. But it's baby AT. Still, it's 16 MHz of raw power.

    3. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by ShadowDrake · · Score: 1

      AT mainboards fit into ATX boxes. I know. I've put FIC 503+ and PCChips M560TGs into them. The issue is PSU; an ATX supply won't run a 486; some Socket 7 boards had connectors for both supply types though.

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    4. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      there's a good philosophy, 'way of the joke'(poor translation) which allows you to do _ANYTHING_ as long as it's a joke(hitting your friend with hammer to his foot & etc, _AS_ long as it's just a joke and not a revenge, anger hit or anything, it wouldnt be funny then), of course, according to this philosphy you can't get angry for anything that was a joke either.

      anyways.. some other poster said that it was from some import car magazine 2years ago, the joke goes a bit over the top but that's what makes it good, i suppose they had someone to cover up for it or that it has something seriously wrong in the first place.

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    5. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by mangu · · Score: 1

      Someone posted that it was a "pre-production" car, it wasn't licensed and had to be destroyed anyhow.

    6. Re:Nissan is Mhz not Ghz! by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      It's from Sport Compact Car, which is more than "just some import mag." Most of the cars they cover are imports, yes. But take a look on dealers' lots and you'll find the Americans aren't making much in the line of compacts right now. They loved the new Neon SRT-4 (named if their sport compact of the year, actually). It's a very technically oriented magazine, aimed at the "geeks" of the car world.

  26. Old Story! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That story is SO old. They ripped it from somewhere.

  27. [OT] umm, wtf... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just curious, i just clicked through on an ad... and i was wondering wtf a cattery is doing advertising on slashdot!

  28. Riceboy... by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    What is a Rice boy?

    From the page:
    "Rice-Boy is a stereotype. The typical Rice-Boy can be identified by his car, or rather what he does to it. Generally, Rice-Boy will start out with a car that was not meant to go fast (typically a Honda Civic), and attempt to "fix it up," usually consisting of aftermarket rims, lowering springs and an aftermarket exhaust system with a large exhaust tip.

    Most Rice-Boy cars (or "Rice Rockets") have the usual complement of stickers proudly displaying features that the car might or might not have, most notably, the Honda VTEC sticker from the later model Preludes, and the plaques from the later model Integras.
    "

    The similarity with Duron owners pretending to be Cray owners are amusing. Don't miss out on that Rice boy site's Hall of shame!!!

    1. Re:Riceboy... by GimmeFuel · · Score: 1
  29. The 'This ain't right dept' by big_groo · · Score: 1
    The AC has a point. Check it out.

    Personally, I think he should turn the site into a non-profit porn/goatse.cx page.

    .

  30. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone born in Israel and a zionist must be automatically an american? The case was heard in court and he lost, who stole what? It's amazing he didn't use the "holocaust" to support his cause. The Nissan company are cyber terrorists and they need to be disarmed. We will launch a pre-emptive strike against Nissan to rid the world of these dangers that confront us, _now.

  31. Better with a beetle by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did this about 10 years ago with an old VW Beetle that a friend and I bought for $250. Here's the only picture that I have of it:

    http://www.michaelchaney.com/beetle/beetle.jpg

    We removed the body, then welded a small frame for the steering column, and used duct tape to attach the speedometer. We welded on a battery holder, and I screwed the voltage regulator, an on/off switch, and a start button to another plate. The gas tank was simply a two gallon plastic tank that we ran the hose into. (not recommended) The last mod was welding the seat to the bottom of the unibody, we didn't bother to add a back, a fact which made driving it a bit more difficult.

    Anyway, it's the same idea as this article. My friend and I were going to build a really fast go-kart, and we actually started welding one together. We had an engine, but when we started to buy parts to finish it out, we realized that it was going to cost another few hundred dollars. I decided that it was worthless, since we could buy an old Beetle for less and just remove the extraneous parts.

    I personally topped the speedometer out (85MPH) with this configuration, the wind was difficult to deal with since I had no seat back. The acceleration was great, with the extra weight gone it was incredible. Dumb as hell, but incredible. Funny thing was, when my friend and I finished, his father admitted that he'd done the same thing 20 years earlier.

    Michael

    1. Re:Better with a beetle by CaseyB · · Score: 1

      My dad did the same thing around 30 years ago. "Dune buggy" conversions were pretty popular at the time.

    2. Re:Better with a beetle by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 1

      Heck, old beetle's have great acceleration without any mods. They'll beat anyone across the near-side crosswalk. =-)

      It almost made me sad to see that picture. I really loved my '72 beetle. It crossed Snoqualmie Pass (not huge, but big enough) on 3 cylinders -- maybe two, but that seems unrealistic. When I took the distributor cap and spark plug wires off to see what was the matter, one wire burst into a cloud of blue powder and another was coated with white.

      My '72 beetle always got me where I was going, at which point I had to spend a day fixing it. =-)

      -Paul Komarek

    3. Re:Better with a beetle by nutbar · · Score: 0, Troll

      You must be one of those small town people.

    4. Re:Better with a beetle by GoRK · · Score: 1

      My GF had an old beetle when she was in highschool.. forget which year.. but her dad (a mechanic) had it suped to hell and back and it would do 120 routinely, and probably close to 145-155 top speed.. Course, it had a different speedo in it :)

    5. Re:Better with a beetle by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      It was probably an air-cooled porsche or karman-ghia engine in it. That was quite a common mod back in the day.

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    6. Re:Better with a beetle by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that it would be quite fun to do a conversion of a small, underpowered vehicle (like a VW Beetle) to something with a little more power - like a performance race car engine (porshe, something like that, I dunno. I'm not a car person, so it's just speculation :P). It would be the only modification to the vehicle: the body and interior would look the same, but under the hood you'd have performance parts. Imagine the looks on the faces of the people standing about the lot, all in their pimped out ricers (not bothering to drive them and back up their word) when you challenge the guy in the corvette (something those ricer kids would never think of doing) and actually waste him, because your '89 honda accord has a porshe engine. Be fun to race for pink slips :P

      But, being as I know nothing about cars, I have no idea whether that's even possible (or something compareable).

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    7. Re:Better with a beetle by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      I once saw a toyota pickup truck that had a chevy 350 in it, with a blower and all. The blower kinda gives it away but im sure the truck was able to pickup and go pretty good.

      I think the porshe engines are a bit more common in vw's, as the engines are pretty much swapable as far as i know.

    8. Re:Better with a beetle by th1nk · · Score: 3, Funny

      My dad did the same thing 40 years ago, hitting 90 mph, uphill, in the snow!

    9. Re:Better with a beetle by flewp · · Score: 1

      But was it uphill BOTH ways?

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    10. Re:Better with a beetle by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Heh, Ironic considering the Porsche started out as a modified VW. :)

    11. Re:Better with a beetle by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      I've always thought that it would be quite fun to do a conversion of a small, underpowered vehicle (like a VW Beetle) to something with a little more power
      I've got a '92 Geo Metro around with a bad motor. I've seriously thought about stripping it down, finding a fairly powerful V6, and figuring out a way to convert the thing to a mid-engine setup. Only problem is, being unibody, I'm afraid the whole thing would crumple when I started cutting around the rear wheel wells. Maybe with proper reinforcement though... Oh well. Maybe one day I'll have enough free time and money to find out. :)
    12. Re:Better with a beetle by flikx · · Score: 1

      I have seen a Chevette fitted with a 500 CID V8 from an old Caddy. The car literally stood up on its tail at about half throttle, and it was driven from the backseat. Amazingly, Chevettes are wide enough to fit all sorts of engines, the only major modifications involved moving the firewall back.

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    13. Re:Better with a beetle by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Old bugs are so light anyway, that one with 130hp could get into the 14s. Shoehorn a bigger/more efficient motor in there, and you've got a potential sleeper.

      -bZj

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  32. Ugh by flikx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Add ~200 lbs of steel bumber, and another 100 lbs of re-bar inside the fenders, and my rust bucket Mopar with a 383 stroker still pulls low 14s on a bad day. Those hopped up go-carts are worthless junk IMO.

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    1. Re:Ugh by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      The best you can do with an engine that probably gets you about 17mpg freeway and 12mpg in town is low 14s? There are plenty of stock japanese cars that get 35-40 mpg freeway and can do that, and they can go around corners at a good clip, too.

      My first car was a 1960 Dodge Dart (Phoenix, the two door) which I loved. It had the old-school "B" block 318, and a 650 cfm carter carburetor. Something like 240hp, 340ft-lb. I loved that thing, but I love my '89 Nissan 240SX more. It doesn't have anything like the same level of class but it's more practical in every way given that I have a bed to have sex in and do not have to screw in the car, and I don't tend to carry a lot of people around. The Dart did have more cargo space (the trunk on that thing was insanely huge, one of the biggest I've seen) but not as much more as you might think, and this thing gets around 25-30mpg freeway when it's tuned up, on 89 octane fuel with no lead or lead substitute. The phoenix wanted premium, and lots of it. I never calculated how much, because gas was a buck a gallon back then :)

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    2. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, while babies in your city develop asthma because or your toxic exhaust fumes.

    3. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to live in Japan, and owned two Silvia's. Over there, they are available with 1.8l and 2.0l turbo engines. After moving to the states, I was so disappointed to find out their is only a naturally aspirated 240sx here, with the wrong headlights, too. Seriously, if you can afford to purchase an SR20DET, I promise you won't regret it.

  33. sentra by p01 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    them nissan sentra can be quite fast with a SR20DET engine. 4 cyclinder with a turbo. power to wieght ratio...

    for a good laugh, goto http://www.riceboypage.com
    interesting mods there, not that i dont like imports or nothing but some people can go overboard

  34. Is it just me... by UnixRevolution · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or does it look better at the end than it did when they started? I hate those tacky rice-rocket "I HAVE A SPOILER SO I GOEZ FASTAR!!" add-ons.

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    1. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially with a rear-end spoiler on a front wheel drive car...

    2. Re:Is it just me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Ahhh, your just bitter you can't get add on performance parts for the Gremlin.

  35. i don't get it by ack154 · · Score: 1

    Are these people that bored that they need to spend a day doing this? Ok, wait, that's not even what bothers me the most...

    Who paid for that thing? I mean, it was someone's car at one point right? Did they not need it anymore? I've never known many people to just destroy a fairly new car because they just "wanted to"...

    Lesson learned: Don't destroy a perfectly good car, even if it IS a rice burner...

    ... because I'm currently accepting car donations. :)

    1. Re:i don't get it by oman_ · · Score: 1


      Sure they probably paid for it... but I bet they aren't going to be throwing away money like that in the near future :)

      Not after they (Sport Compact Car) ran the Cobb Tuning project WRX into a water truck causing $22k of damage!
      See the April 2003 magazine for a shot of the car on the front (and inside for the accordian version) and also see http://www.projectcobb.com/conebasher/ for the car. *425hp to the wheels!*

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    2. Re:i don't get it by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1
      1) It was a preproduction car, "loaned" to them by Nissan. After a year, these cars must be destroyed anyway. They just slapped a bunch of ugly-ass body mods and wheels to it to make it look like a typical ricer.


      2) They didn't destroy the Cobb WRX, the owner did.

      HAND.

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    3. Re:i don't get it by oman_ · · Score: 1

      No... the owner, Chris, was not driving the car when it hit the water truck. I work at Cobb Tuning and got the story first hand from the people that were there.

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    4. Re:i don't get it by stompro · · Score: 1

      Point 2, a sport compact car driver ran the Cobb WRX into the water truck, well he skidded off course because he underestimated the car. Here is a link to the story from the car owners. wrxforum

      And Quote

      "The SCC staff drove the cars for the entirety of the shootout. I do not know exactly which SCC staff member was driving at that point.
      The car was taken out due to a collision with a big water truck. It happens and ConeBasher is better than ever now."

      Where did you get your info Cloud 9?

    5. Re:i don't get it by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      God, why'd you have to remind me of this? I remember getting my copy in the mail, seeing "AWD Battle," a Skyline, and a WRX and going "YES!" (I'm a huge WRX fan). And then there were the screams of agony when I opened it up to see in crunched in half. :)

    6. Re:i don't get it by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      Why do you feel it necessary to answer a question that was already answered, stompro?

      I read the article in print form. I assumed the Cobb guys were the ones driving. Who gives a shit? HAND.

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    7. Re:i don't get it by stompro · · Score: 1

      Sorry about that, I didn't refresh before I responded, I didn't see that it had already been answered.

      No, it isn't a big deal, I just wanted to correct your mistake. They Cobb guys know their car, they wouldn't have hit a water truck in the middle of a parking lot.

  36. You people pay for this?? by big_groo · · Score: 1
    Is Michael the only one working today?

    (Friday)

    Really.

  37. a day late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not only is the article old, not only does it have nothing to do with technology or nerding in general, but the link isn't even to the article. it's to some forum thread. slashdot links forum posts now? killer.

  38. This is a little bit funny but that it. by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So, but cutting down and removing parts of the car until it's basicall useless, they can make it do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Why bother?

    First, the thing probably isn't legal for any sort of competition now. Nobody would let you race this thing, It's too dangerous. What if it rolls?

    Second, it's "fast" but it's not that fast. Why not put all that effort into making a car that already a little fast, go really fast? You can buy a car that does 0-60 in 5.8seconds, and we're not talking a Ferrari either.

    I get really sick of seeing hondas with huge wings on the back and coffee can exhaust pipes. There are people out there that will till you adding a big exhaust TIP will give you like 5hp! WTF? What's wrong with these people!?

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    1. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by Camarones · · Score: 1

      come on.. get a clue. Is sarcasm and absurdity totally lost on you? That car was a crusher anyway, i.e. it was a test car, unregistered, given to the mag to play with. When they're done with it, they have to return it to nissan, who has to destroy it anyway.

    2. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by saihung · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am seriously tempted to carry around a couple of grapefruits in my bag, just so I can stuff them into any exhaust tip that looks big enough to hold one.
      "Cat back? No, I don't allow animals in my car."

    3. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

      "I get really sick of seeing hondas with huge wings on the back and coffee can exhaust pipes. There are people out there that will till you adding a big exhaust TIP will give you like 5hp! WTF? What's wrong with these people!?"

      I agree! I'm getting really sick of having to waste these retards w/ my Mustang GT every damn day. Although they usually give up once the glasspacks start roaring and i'm 80 feet ahead of them in a couple seconds :-)

    4. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

      "I am seriously tempted to carry around a couple of grapefruits in my bag, just so I can stuff them into any exhaust tip that looks big enough to hold one"

      Make sure you slober some quick setting JB Weld on it so it's in there for good!

    5. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree! I'm getting really sick of having to waste these retards w/ my Mustang GT every damn day. Although they usually give up once the glasspacks start roaring and i'm 80 feet ahead of them in a couple seconds :-)

      I agree! I am getting really sick of having to waste mustang GT's every day in the M3. Why do they even bother? One guy has a stang that can keep up but he's dumped about 12K into seeing that it does.

    6. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm sick of retards in Mustangs always trying to race me in my Porsche 986.

    7. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

      I bet you are! M3's are sweet..just wish i could afford one. I'm happy w/ the Mustang for now. Hopefuly the new job i start in a month will help me keep up with you guys :-)

    8. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      I am seriously tempted to carry around a couple of grapefruits in my bag, just so I can stuff them into any exhaust tip that looks big enough to hold one.

      Please post pics when you do! Or video of the thing shooting out :)

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    9. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by flewp · · Score: 1

      I love Mustangs (in fact, they're my favorite car that I could ever own, as opposed to Ferrari, which I will never own until I'm older, if I'm lucky), but why ruin it with glasspacks? They sound like shit, and you could be hurting airflow. (I don't really know much about them, but I've read they can disturb airflow, and I personally think they sound like shit)

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    10. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

      What would you recommend sounds better? I won't put flowmasters on...since i think they sound like shit. I was thinking of going with a MagnaFlow cat-back system soon. I personally think the glasspacks sound really good...but i'm in the driver's seat, not outside it. Friends & family think it sounds good though...so i dunno, throw some ideas at me :-) you can also email me if ya want so we don't make a hughe thread here on /.

    11. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      If you actually know how to drive the car right, you're the exception among mustang owners (at least in my area). For some reason, around here, it's the "fast car for morons." Case in point: I dragged against a mustang here, was beating him until I had to back off since I was about to have to pull a right hand turn, so I hit my right turn signal and let off the gas to start slowing down. (I was in the right lane, he was in the left). Anyway, this turn is a crappy intersection that's a bitch to make without tearing up your car at 20mph, even if you know what you're doing. The idiot tried to cut in front of me and make the turn (from the left lane) while he was still doing at least 50-60mph. Needless to say, he hit the curb on the opposite corner and came to a prompt stop. Who needs front wheels anyway? :)

    12. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

      Good story! there are definitely some retards out there drving these cars. And i know a few corners like the one you mention, the turn off the main highway to the road i lived on was like that one, gotta slow way down to make it even in a good car.
      I've grown up with Ford V8's, had a 5.0 HO in a T-Bird for my first car. It's been a dream growing up to own a brand-new Mustang, was finally able to buy one last August. I know my limits, i know the cars limits...and i'd rather take it easy and keep a bit below those limits. I guess a clean driving record kinda speaks some too. Just too bad there are tons of morons driving them, doesn't help my insurance rates.

    13. Re:This is a little bit funny but that it. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      You sound a lot like me in that respect. I know a lot of people that'll hop right into a car and try to put it balls-to-the-walls, but I just can't do that. I give myself a little time to acclimate to it, and gradually push it harder until I find what I consider to be the inside part of the car's limits. There've been a couple of times I've pushed it a bit too far in my experiments, but fortunately, I'm good about doing my experimentations on wide, quiet roads, so I've never actually hurt anything.

      I can definitely understand what it's like to really want a car - as soon as I can afford it, whatever the current high power version of the Subaru Impreza is at the time will be mine. (Currently the STi - 300hp, 300 lb-ft, 3000 lbs *drools*). It's just that Mustangs are one of those cars that the driver has to prove to me that they're not a moron before I'll take them seriously. :) Not to say I dislike them in general though. The coolest one I've ever gotten to see in person was a blue and white one I ran into by chance at McDonald's one morning and on my way out this guy pulled into a parking place. It's normally not like me to be outgoing, but when he killed the engine and I heard a turbo winding down, I had to stop and talk to him. You don't see such beasts around here too often.

  39. Obligatory... by EMDischarge · · Score: 1

    Imagine a BEOWOLF cluster of these!!!

    :D

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  40. /. News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    STUFF THAT MATTERS

    stick to actual /. worthy material

    1. Re:/. News for Nerds by polaughlin · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      MOD PARENT UP!!

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    2. Re:/. News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Given all the interest Slashdot has shown in casemodding as of late, I thought they might be interested in..."
      how correct you ain't:

      "Case Modding" a Nissan Sentra On April 12th, 2003 with 207 comments
      Section: Main > It's funny. Laugh.

      Casemodding Enterprise Hardware On October 6th, 2002 with 307 comments
      Section: Main > Hardware

      </EOS>
    3. Re:/. News for Nerds by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      This was posted because, in 0208scc_scared12_zoom.jpg, a sign says "KING TACO" in the background.

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  41. Mod parent up (seriously, despite it being an AC) by StarKruzr · · Score: 1

    How is this flamebait? I didn't even know about this beforehand and it's something people should know.

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  42. Hint: use preview by brer_rabbit · · Score: 1

    That's from my Taco spell checker for "ad", of course.

  43. Er, or just get a real car.... by aiken_d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My goddam fat pig of a 99 Trans Am convertible -- 3800lbs w/o driver -- pulls low 12's. That's *with* air conditioning, 1000w of bass power, and full leather, spare tire, trailer hitch, and body panels. And all for probably a comprable cost.

    Sentras are nimble cars... they'll often kick my ass in an autocross, if the course is tighter and slower. But getting 14's out of a sentra is like gleefully reporting overclocking a 500mhz Duron to 700mhz. There may be some technical merit there, but neither the starting product nor end result is particularly impressive.

    Cheers
    -b

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    1. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by barnaclebarnes · · Score: 1

      You over-compensating for something ;-) /b

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    2. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      '99 Trans Am 'vert running low 12s? Either it's no longer stock, or you're lying through your teeth. Timeslips?

    3. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pulls low 12's. That's *with* air conditioning, 1000w of bass power, and full leather, spare tire, trailer hitch, and body panels. .
      So you do runs at the drag strip with the AC on?

    4. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

      You do understand this article was a joke, right?

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    5. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Spunk · · Score: 1

      Hey. I don't know jack about cars. What do you mean by 12's and 14's? I'm seeing them all over these comments.

      Thanks.

    6. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. I'm betting that your huuuuuuge penis adds another 200 lbs to the weight of the car, too.

      Did you modify the steering wheel so that your monster cock could fit in the drivers seat with you?

    7. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Eric+Savage · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point of import modding. You're supposed to spend alot of money on air dams, fat mufflers, and rims to make you're econobox go alot slower than a lower-priced car that was actually designed to race.

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    8. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by ryanvm · · Score: 1

      1000w of bass power?

      You are a fucking dumbass. Period.

    9. Re:Er, or just get a real car.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beware. It's probably 1000watts PMPO (25watts RMS)!

  44. Re:My ex-girlfriend used to own a Nissan Sentra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just say riding the car was more fun.

  45. All that work... by dvd_tude · · Score: 1

    ... and a literbike will run in the 10's, bone stock. Heck, some are even scratching the top part of the 9's.

    Hey I like using a Sawzall as much as the next guy, but what a waste.

    See here and weep...

    squidliness is next to codliness...

    -dvd_tude

    1. Re:All that work... by Djinh · · Score: 1

      Right on!

      Cages are for groceries and old women...

  46. but it's irritating by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    People's case mods don't make a fucking racket when they drive down the street.

    1. Re:but it's irritating by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      I live on one of the local impromptu drag strips. I'm trying to figure out how to stop them from racing at 3:00am.

      Time to write the city... blah. Maybe somebody will build these kids a drag strip. I would, but I don't know anything about running a track, and the kids would probably shoot me unexpectedly for letting rival gangs race.

    2. Re:but it's irritating by arkanes · · Score: 1

      Sniper rifle. Or sneak out when they aren't racing and put remote controlled spike strips under the street. Heck, build a shaped charge and just blow a huge pothole - road funds being the way they are, it'll take 2 years for the city to fix it.

    3. Re:but it's irritating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Caltrops.

      Or park a semi there....

    4. Re:but it's irritating by flewp · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Put a hole (or large bump) in the street, but try and make it so it's not that noticeable until it's too late. That way, all these morons who lower their Civics and Integras way too low will hit them, and bottom out. Or maybe start pushing baby carriages (minus the baby) into the street in front of them. Then they'll make a sudden turn and end up in a lightpole.

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  47. While I'm all for trashing cars. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I don't get how the 'case' on this thing was modded.

    More like 'removed altogether', thus reducing a car into a go-cart.

    But who am I to judge? I used to get my kicks. . . Well, actually I never got my kicks doing anything even remotely similar. Or expensive. But whatever.

    Oh! I thought of one! I thought the Phantom Edit was cool idea. And Guerilla Advertising. That's sort of the same; taking post conusmuer idiocy and restructuring it so that it becomes something equally ridiculous, but which satisfies the male need to tinker with things and thereby stamp some sort of individuality upon pre-fab nonsense.

    People are funny that way. It's how you avoid gazing into the void to face your ultimate aloneness. It's much easier to pull apart flashy consumer junk, feel self-congratulatory for no good reason, confuse your girlfriends, and say, "Cool" a lot with your buds.

    When playing that game finally fills you with nausea to the point where you start wishing for death, you're probably 75 years old, and nobody cares what you think at that point anyway.

    Cheers!


    -Fantastic Lad

    1. Re:While I'm all for trashing cars. . . by Cloud+9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're stoned, aren't you? =D

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  48. Re:Fuck Nissan cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its bad form to reply to your own posts, ass gas.

  49. Look at the topic icon. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's funny, laugh.

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  50. stolen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the car was stolen? :) what kind of moron would do that to their car?

  51. Holy Cow!!! by DaveSchool · · Score: 1

    I can't believe someone modded a car! They should have a magazine or something that people can show off their modded cars in. Oh wait, I forgot, there are already like 5 dozen...

  52. Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by Grave · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but this is not a good topic for Slashdot to try covering. Not unless you want to hire about a dozen new people to go through submissions and determine what is worth posting and what isn't. This subject is way beyond the depth and scope of a site like this, because this is not a technical discussion. It's one thing to post a story about a new engine that has extremely low emissions/triple-digit fuel economy/weighs less than 10lbs/etc. It's another thing to post a story about somebody modifying a car. Unless they do something like, say, make it capable of flying (literally), then I don't think it belongs on Slashdot.

    Please, you honestly should not attempt to cover this topic on Slashdot. Aside from the first few dozen comments, you're going to get lots of flame wars, often revolving around the topic of "rice". It's just not a good idea. Leave it to the sites that can properly cover the subject - THE CAR FAN SITES.

    1. Re:Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      what if they strap a jet on top of a nova?

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    2. Re:Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by SuperPhly · · Score: 0

      What the fizzzzuck... you think that anime and Matrix trailer posts apply? Dude, screw anime, let's see some cool car shizzzzzznit.

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    3. Re:Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by Cloud+9 · · Score: 1

      Looking... Looking... nope, no Nova.

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    4. Re:Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by LPetrazickis · · Score: 1

      There is not such thing as a cool car, dumbass.

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    5. Re:Stop before you hurt yourselves.. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except you can occassionally touch on anime and sci-fi without the anime and sci-fi people getting completely disgusted at how little most people know. For people that REALLY know what they're doing with cars, it's rather frustrating hearing people talk about the stupidity of people with fast cars because their perception of "people who work on cars" are the hack jobs that are actually slower than stock. It's like listening to a user complaining that their "windows is too slow" but never connecting it with the fact that they let 15 extraneous apps load on boot. It's just plain painful, and we could do without it.

  53. Does it run NetBSD? by BrainGumbo · · Score: 0

    You bet it does.

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  54. this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... ppl in the middle east hate us. shit like this. still .. it looks like fun.

  55. Original Article by heli0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the original article
    from SportCompactCar magazine. It is in print in the August issue from 2002.

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    1. Re:Original Article by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      I knew this looked familiar, but I couldn't quite place where. That's about the time I started subscribing, so it all makes sense now. Thanks.

  56. Had to be done anyways by strider3700 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before anyone gets too mad about them hacking up a perfectly usable car, this car had to be destroyed anyways. It was a preproduction vehicle. After one year they all must be crushed due to regulations. I personally think this is a pretty cool way to finish one off. I also would like to see a demo derby of them. You can't tell me you wouldn't love to see what happens when a viper hits a vette on purpose.

  57. Worthless by PyroX_Pro · · Score: 1

    A bunch of ricers laughing at an article on a forum making fun of ricers. The ultimate irony.

    1. Re:Worthless by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Word to that. Though I'd go with Euro's making fun of ricers. I think we need a better term for the Euroconobox crowd....

      -bZj

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  58. I guess we aren't hip by dsb · · Score: 1

    I was thinking 'oh no, not another rice burner with a coffee can muffler, a F-15 wing, and stickers covering most of car illuminating by cool neon lighting' until I read and saw the pictures in the article. I did take it as a joke and thought it was great! But then again I guess I'm not into imports because it's old news.

  59. For people who don't know by Zugok · · Score: 1

    Oh my god, the Catheram Superlight R500. It has a lowish top speed but the acceleration just emabarrasses any Ferrari and even the Lamborhini Mercialago, let alone any ricer. In fact it can do the quartermile in half the time an WRX STI can. The only thing I see that can out accelerate it is a Porsche Carrera GT2.

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  60. 14.Xs quarter mile? by kwiqsilver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My Porsche 944 Turbo has mid 13s, and it's street legal, and it's comfier, and it corners well, and it was cheaper, etc.

    But if somebody wants to destroy a Sentra to give me a laugh, okay.

    1. Re:14.Xs quarter mile? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 9*4 series -- Porsche for the less fortunate.

    2. Re:14.Xs quarter mile? by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      Porsche 944 Turbo = 951
      So I guess that only applys to the n/a versions, although they didn't make a turbo 914..The 6 cyl version was pretty nice though.

    3. Re:14.Xs quarter mile? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ha ha, you just compared your Porsche to a Sentra! They WIN!

    4. Re:14.Xs quarter mile? by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Why is it funny that I compared my Porsche to a Sentra?
      Who wins?

    5. Re:14.Xs quarter mile? by Down8 · · Score: 1

      B/c it makes the "sport" compact car ppl think they can compete w/Porsches, which we know isn't the case.

      -bZj

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  61. Cut about 1000 pounds by magic · · Score: 1

    http://autos.msn.com/vip/specifications.aspx?model id=10511&src=vip

    Nissan's cars appear to weigh about 2,752 lbs when they start out.

    -m

  62. Re:You've *got* to be kidding. On Slashdot? by Omicron · · Score: 1

    Yeah....I hate these things.

    The best is...someone w/ a stupid little civic...and a larger exhaust pipe than you seen on a civic. God...I get the urge to shove a football in those things, especially that worthless little buzzing noise they make.

  63. this is lame by sickmtbnutcase · · Score: 1

    why the hell....i bought a car that would run in the 13's stock...image if i cut a shitload of weight off my car too...i'd be in the 12's

  64. Duuuuuude... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    where's my car?

  65. Re:Yes but what a dumb shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What a dumb shit. They tore apart a nearly brandnew car and voided the service warranty, which is usually 3years/30,000miles bumper-to-bumper.

    dumb shits

  66. Why this is funny. by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You have to understand the culture of car modding. It goes counter to everything that people commonly do with cars. It's making fun of people who install crazy body modifications without doing anything to affect the performance or handling of their cars.

    To put it in computer terms, these guys took dual pentium 2.5 ghz with a raid 5 scsi array and 4 gigs of RAM and laid out all the pieces on some blocks of wood to make fun of people who put a pentium 150 with an old ide drive and 32 megs of RAM into a chrome case with a window and flashing neon lights inside.

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    1. Re:Why this is funny. by Zakabog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually if you want to put it in computer terms, they took a completely modded e-machine, ripped off all the mods and made it super ventilated and over clocked it alot so it can compete with a dual 2.5 ghz pentoontium. In modding the mods would have to make the case hotter for this analagy to work, in the car mods they made the car heavier so it couldn't go as fast.

    2. Re:Why this is funny. by spun · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is more accurate. I'm guilty of not fully reading all the article before I posted this. I posted a better synopsis after reading the whole thing. It was worth the read. While I've never been a car modder myself, I know some, and I think the article is a very pointed dig at a particular type of person (very common, I understand) who spend all their money making their car look cool without doing anything for performance.

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    3. Re:Why this is funny. by tgd · · Score: 1

      I don't care what you have in your computer. If its got a window, neon, chrome, UV glowing hard drive cables, or even a g*ddamn sticker on it, I will mock you mercilessly.

      Cars are another matter. I'll just whip your ass in a straight line or the twisties, doesn't matter to me. Riceboy huntin' is one of my favorite summer pasttimes. :) (AWD and snow tires makes it like kicking a baby in the winter -- no fun at all)

    4. Re:Why this is funny. by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      You have to understand the culture of car modding. It goes counter to everything that people commonly do with cars. It's making fun of people who install crazy body modifications without doing anything to affect the performance or handling of their cars.
      The performance of cars is greatly affected by these mods. Take a look at these: There's a lot more car modders than case modders, people have been modding cars for 50 years before the Internet was born. The network guys at my office spend EVERY DIME THEY HAVE on modifying their cars, and they're the best network engineers I've seen! They're a lot better than all the Harvard CS 1st class graduates I've met. I think instead of "experience" the employers should look for "mindset".
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    5. Re:Why this is funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mustard gas will be killing Iraqis long after the last shell is fired.

    6. Re:Why this is funny. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      I take it you're one of the fortunate WRX owners? Lucky bastard. :) Maybe after I'm out of college and have an actual job I'll be able to spend the money on it. Of course, Subaru just HAD to go and release the STi and now I'm going to have to figure out how the hell I'm gonna be able to pay for a $30,000 car instead of a $24,000 car. :)

    7. Re:Why this is funny. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Actually, what they did was to take common, pointless things people do to their cars that have no bearing on performance, and exagerate them to show the stupidity behind the logic. The jab "Finding airflow, of course, means removing the hood, but no hood at all is even lighter than a carbon-fiber hood" is particularly nice since "carbon is better because it's lighter!" is a common mantra among that crowd. Which is true, except for the fact that half the time they buy cheap, crappy CF hoods that end up weighing more than the original did.

      Really, there isn't any good analogy for this to the computer world. The closest you could come would be among people who might think Video Card A is cooler than Card B because it has a bigger fan on it, even though Card B runs 45% faster for the same money. Still weak, but better than the original analogy.

    8. Re:Why this is funny. by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Hope you get a good job. The STi is expected to go for $32,000 according to the latest Motor Trend. The Mitsu Lancer Evo is going for $30k though. Of course I'd spend the extra $2,000 to not get laughed at.

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    9. Re:Why this is funny. by tgd · · Score: 1

      WRX? Bah...

      Nope, got an S4 with lots of of secret sauce, it'd be a heck of a WRX to be much of a concern... STi'd make for a fun drive up a winding mountain road, but he wouldn't have a prayer in the long run.

      Of course, since all told it cost closer to twice what an STi costs, I'd hope it was faster...

    10. Re:Why this is funny. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Are you so sure? :) I'm not too familiar with the S4, so I had to look up the specs myself. Manufacturer published 0-60 is 6.5, but it looks like the actual performance is somewhere closer to mid to high 5's from what I'm seeing from independent testers, which the WRX is right on par with. The S4 also weighs about 700 pounds more than the WRX for only about 20-30 more horsepower. The biggest advantage you have is the bigger, twin turbo V6, which should/does naturally generate a lot more torque. But looking at raw specs, they're a lot closer matched than you seem to think. An STi produces 50 horsepower more than the S4, with a little bit less torque, at about the same weight as the WRX. 0-60 times on it should be under 5 seconds when the mags starting getting test vehicles in the next month. Somehow, I get the feeling the STi could more than you give a run for your money. :) Oh, and just to avoid confusion, I'm reffering to the yet to be released American STi, not the European or Japanese spec versions. For once, the US is finally getting a faster version of a car than the rest of the world. :)

    11. Re:Why this is funny. by tgd · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm sure... the torque difference stock to stock makes a huge difference in "street" racing... running from a rolling start, etc... They may be closely matched up top, but if I pull two or three lengths before the WRX gets its wind, it'll never get that back.

      An STi produces 50 horsepower more than a stock S4, but there's not that many stock S4's out there... 320hp and 390ft/lbs torque is not too shabby, and thats a $600 chip change... throw in race gas and that number starts to soar!

      The weight thing is an issue, an S4 is a real pig, but its nothing some money can't fix. Easier to make a relatively luxurious pig go fast than to make a fast car relatively luxurious.

      I'd love to have a WRX, though, to throw around on dirt roads, something Audi's just aren't too good at these days.

    12. Re:Why this is funny. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      I guess it all depends on your priorities. :) Personally, I don't really care a thing about luxury, I'd rather make a fast car go faster. Really, the US version of the STi is kind of an unknown right now. We know what it's going to come capable of doing stock, but that's about it. The only thing I can think of right now that might be a gauge of it is the Cobb Racing WRX, they transplanted one of the 2.5L Impreza RS engines into a WRX and last I remember reading, the output number on it were something like ~430 hp. But they also had to hack a lot of the parts for that themselves, but I guess it shows that the engine can handle it. It doesn't take all that money to push a WRX over 300hp as it stands now, and with the STi starting out with that much power output... well, we'll have to see :)

      It's really kind of ironic that the Audi has a hard time off the asphalt, as that's where Audi picked up their reputation for performance, much like Subaru is doing today. Oh well, they've moved on to greener fields I guess.

  67. Dose this mean... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if I mod a large spoiler, giant shiny rims, and a noisy exaust onto my computer; It will go faster?

  68. Thinking of Little Blue *sniff* by MsWillow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many moons ago, I bought an old kit car. It was already built, a "Kellison GT", supposed to look like something between a Ford GT-40 Mark 1 and Mark 2. The basic car was a '65 VW flootpan and transaxel, with a 1964 Porsche racing 356SC engine bolted on. 110 cubic inches, 120 horsepower.

    It leaked like a seive, when you turned the wipers on, the left turn signal came on, it beat voltage regulators to death in less than 24 hours. The steering was beefed up - 3/4ths turn lock to lock. The suspension was stiffened - drive over a cigarette butt and you felt it. It could hit 120mph before redline, turned on a dime (and gave you 8% interest!), and ran on regular gas. I even, once, push-started it by myself, *up* a slight hill. It was *very* light :)

    I really miss that car. It used to destroy pressure plates and clutches with great frequency, and the last one I put in was a Kennedy Racing 1800-pound pressure plate. Even with that, the clutch was starting to glaze, just before the pedal broke. The idiot who was driving it at the time just gear-jammed it all the way home, destroying it utterly.

    I really miss that car. It had more spirit than any car I've ever had, before or since. I'm glad to see a story on /. that's about a rather different style of "hacking", even though it's not quite what most /.ers are expecting. Thanks for showing us that not only silicon can be cool :)

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  69. Ok rice boys, it's about time by geekoid · · Score: 1

    someone showed you a real modded car:
    here

    And It sounds like a freakin' car, with power, not some bottomed out lawmower.

    I blame the Gas crisises of the 70's for the crap that people seem to be doing to there car. Its like the era of economy cars cause a generation to be raised that didn't know anything about cars, power, and speed. so now there kids are trying to do it and failing miserably.
    Yeah, I've gone to the show and have taken a look at what is supposed to be the best, and it was hard to stiffle a yawn.

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    1. Re:Ok rice boys, it's about time by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      Um, might want to fix the link? Sounds interesting what is it? Hemi or something?

  70. Synopsis for those who don't find the humor by spun · · Score: 1

    The setup is, this kid writes in that he has blown all his money on cool looking body mods for his crappy little subcompact car, but he still can't win races. So the editors of the magazine decide to help him out, for free. They have a budget of zero, so they can't buy any of the things that could have unlocked the potential of even this crappy little subcompact car, all they can do is remove stuff to make it go faster. In the end, they help the poor schmuck go faster by chopping his beautifully styled car down to a husk.

    The moral of the story: when modding your car, start with things that make it go faster or handle better before spending all your cash on tricked out side panels, ground effects and huge spoilers.

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    1. Re:Synopsis for those who don't find the humor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted a car that went faster, I would have bought a car that went faster.

      Shit, a mustang isn't expensive, by any means. I think mustangs are ugly as hell, plus they get bad gas milage. For the same amount of money I can buy a civic and put a few thousand dollars into it to make it real nice.

      engine mods are overrated. I don't want a racecar, I want a nice looking vehicle that is dependable and gets good gas milage. so I got a civic, put some nice wheels on it, tinted the windows and improved the suspension. I have a clean looking car that handles like it's on rails and is really fun to drive, for less than a base model mustang or other "performance" car.

      fuck rice, and fuck displacement

  71. clearly you didn't read the article by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "...hacking up a perfectly usable car..."

    If you had bother to read the posts, you would have know it was a Nissan...

    easy shot, but somebody had to take it.

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  72. Re:You've *got* to be kidding. On Slashdot? by Unknown+Relic · · Score: 1

    Did you actually let the page load past the first few pictures? If not, you missed out on the interesting ones. I don't see any massive exhausts, wings or stickers on this vehicle. If anything, it's the exact opposite of the typical rice rocket.

  73. yeah yo can say that by geekoid · · Score: 1

    while you watch me rearend get smaller and smaller.

    Screw the ration, I want my cars to see mid hundred without rattling, smoking, and then siezing.

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  74. Ah - I understand why the complaints are coming by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    At first I didn't understand. This is the first "car" posting I've ever seen on Slashdot. I like cars (I also like sports and have sex on a regular basis, which makes me atypical around here) but don't like anime so I usually just skip the cartoon threads (as that seems a reasonable thing to do: skip threads that don't interest me).

    I was surprised at some of the reactions to this posting. "WTF is this doing here?" "OMG, a car!". Then it dawned on me that the reaction is probably a throwback to high school. Maybe the "car guys" (usually found in wood/auto/metal shop) picked on these complaining geeks, and now the geeks feel as if their online safe haven has been violated.

    Don't worry, geeks. Car guys won't start hanging out here. You won't get stuffed in any lockers, have your lunch taken, or get a melvin (wedgie if you prefer). Now go put in your Sailor Moon DVD, pop open a Red Bull and chill out.

    1. Re:Ah - I understand why the complaints are coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first I didn't care. This is not the first "cooler than you geeks" posting I've seen on Slashdot. I like geeks (I especially like their personalities and values, which society in general would do well to understand) but I don't like cooler-than-thou pricks that think they are hot shit just because they get regular sex and toss around a football so I usually ignore them (as that is the easiest thing to do: ignore comments that don't add any substance to the discussion).

      I was surprised at one of the reactions to the reactions to this posting, "WTF are these stupid geeks bitching about? I'm way cooler than them." "OMG, I get laid regularly!" Then it dawned on me that the reaction is probably a result of the poster being a dick. Maybe he feels better about himself for having insulted the geeks who dare speak their mind on Slashdot, and now is his time to tell everybody how cool he is.

      Don't worry, dick. Everybody thinks you're cool. We won't question your coolness, challenge your feelings of superiority, or question the accuracy of your stereotypes (prejudices if you prefer) about geeks. Now go marvel at your reflection in the mirror, muse on your own superiority, and if you're not too busy baving "sex on a regular basis", go fuck yourself.

    2. Re:Ah - I understand why the complaints are coming by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on Wil Wheaton, I know that's you. You should at least post under your nick, coward.

  75. you too? by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

    I did the same thing with a stripper here in Colorado. But once everything was off, she was still heavy. I almost demanded my lapdance money back...some people just shouldn't e seen naked (ugh...shudder)

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  76. Props! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was funny dude! Sorry no one modded you up!

  77. This is easy with Minis by ross.w · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Minis (the original kind) have a front subframe that holds everything and unbolts from the body in one go. I used to compete in Motorkhanas (in a complete mini) against these two guys who had attached enough framework to an old mini subframe to gve them a place to put a seat, and strong enough to provide two wheels at the back to keep it off the ground. That was it. Would have been good for drag racing too if they hadn't locked out all the gears except 1st, 2nd & reverse (selecting 4th by mistake can cost precious seconds when you are trying to garage at the end of a test)

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  78. Cooling Mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, at least they did add more air cooling. But they didn't mod the water cooling and replace it with air cooling -- perhaps by using a jet engine on the back for the exhaust fan...

  79. Look! by tewmten · · Score: 0

    look what I saw in that forum!
    "
    We were just slashdoted. Everyone please diss Cmdr Taco, thanks.
    [ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/11/204523 0&mode=thread&tid=133&tid=159 ]
    "
    Let's stab 'em!

  80. Doesn't make sense by Zakabog · · Score: 1

    All these geeks on slashdot drool over stories of people encasing their computers in some kind of goo that hardened just for the hell of it, or overclocks with liquid nitrogen just cause they can. Pretty much anything that makes a slow old computer faster or as fast as a fast new computer (with little or no cost) gets a spot on slashdot. And now there's a story about someone who took a riced out car and RIPPED OFF THE RICE, they didn't add more, got it to perform like a $40,000 sports car (Nissan Sentras start at $12,000), and everyone on slashdot says "Why did they do this? There's no point? Why is this on slashdot?" A nissan sentra running 14s with nothing added is like a Celeron running like a Xeon (this car is now running faster than a Subaru Impreza STi which is more than three times the price).

    These people ripped apart this car taking out all the unecesary stuff to make it lighter and faster and no one cares? If I had a dual 3GHz xeon computer running in a shoe box that story would be on slashdot and geeks would be all over it saying how great it is and how funny it is. But they can only say bad things about similar things being done to a car?

    It's like you look down on car people, like they're inferior and anyone who races has to be a redneck. Can any of you do an engine swap or rebuild a transmission? I want mechanics to be my hobby, I love taking things apart and seeing how they work. When I get my first car I will do alot of performance tuning and all on my own (I've never worked on a car before.) I'm going to read all I can, online or in books (mostly books.) I don't understand why it isn't a common geek hobby (well besides the involvement of going outside).

    1. Re:Doesn't make sense by Cirvam · · Score: 1

      But just like the Celeron would be running like a Xeon, the Xeon still probably has more cache so it is overall a better processor. Just like a Subaru Impreza STi has stuff like doors, roof, etc compared to this. Plus the Subaru could probably do more then go (somewhat) fast in a straight line.

  81. More Molested Cars... by CritterNYC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For some truely pointless "case mods"... fins, wings, air dams, mirrors, neon, spoilers and lots of silly stickers... head to molestedcars.com

    1. Re:More Molested Cars... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      I have seen molestedcars.com before, yet it doesn't impress me as much as it's french equilavent The Jacky Touch . Even if you don't speak a word french, go and take a look at the atrocities in the galleries. If you do know french, go and read the comments... That guy is incredibly funny.

    2. Re:More Molested Cars... by flewp · · Score: 1

      That site's pretty retarded. For instance, he twice rips on 5.0 Mustangs. One for having a wing, and another for having 5.0 on the side. This guy is a complete idiot. First of all, the 5.0 lettering behind the front wheels comes STOCK, and is not aftermarket. Secondly, being a rear-wheel drive car, it may need a more effective wing if it has some mods under the hood, and I'm sure the site owner didn't get a chance to look under the hood.

      The cars in the rice section aren't even all that bad. That's speaking relatively of course. They are all ugly in that part of the site, but they're nowhere near as ugly as shit you see everyday.

      Sometimes the people who rip on these cars are just as retarded as the people who mod the cars themselves. They don't realise that sometimes mods ARE practical.

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    3. Re:More Molested Cars... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Rice Boy Page does a FAR beter job of this than the site you linked. Outside of the fact that they're imports, I can't figure out what he has against some of the cars (I've only looked at the imports page.) The first Civic actually looks fairly nice outside of that awful green (which is a factory color) and I can't figure out what he has against the first blue Prelude on the page. In fact, the thing he spends the most time complaining about are spoilers. The last car he rips on on the 3rd page again, is a civic. it's been modified, but it's well done and cleanly done, so I don't see the problem. Yeah, some of the cars look crappy, but he rips on a lot of decent cars too. Check out Rice Boy, the guy doing it actually knows about the cars and points out EXACTLY what's absurd about the car, be it rebadgings or mechanically why something's wrong. Not just "Ha Ha Ha! Look at that stupid wing! Ha Ha Ha!" Not to mention the site design is decent, no godawful javascript popups.

    4. Re:More Molested Cars... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If you want to see a site that does this right, check out Rice Boy Page. The guy that runs it actually knows what he's talking about, and has some truly amusing pictures on it. And none of those evil javascript popup pictures. :)

    5. Re:More Molested Cars... by karnal · · Score: 1

      Ummm... The first 5.0 is a V6 (from what I can tell), look at the exhaust exit point on the rear -- All of the 5.0's I've seen have dual straights out the rear, where the V6 has the smaller diameter "turn-down" exhaust out of the driver's side..

      I'm not sure about the other one; didn't take the time to look... but correct me if I'm wrong.....

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  82. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man if i could mod you up i would.

  83. Er, or just get a real bike.... by Moderation+abuser · · Score: 1

    Bog standard $7000 sports bike 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, sub 10 second quarter mile.

    http://www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/rivals.htm

    Come back and play when you've spent quarter of a million on your extraneous wheels. :)

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    1. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crotch rockets are for little kids who haven't grown up past the mental maturity of a teenager. Talk to one someday besides yourself, you will understand what I mean.

    2. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crotch rockets are for little kids who haven't grown up past the mental maturity of a teenager.

      You're just too much of a pussy to handle a fast bike. You know that you lack the skills and would be a big red crayon sliding on the pavement -- so you compensate by criticizing the bikes. Any fucktard can sit in a car and press the accelerator to go down a drag-strip. Get on a modern sport bike and try exiting a corner while lifting the front wheel through acceleration and then come back and tell us about it. Hell, you probably don't have the arms, shoulders, or balls to handle a 3-second 0-60 run on a bike.

    3. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      99.9% of society still thinks your gay. Who cares if it does 0-60 in one second? That doesn't impress me or anyone else.

      Oh btw if your going to go 2 wheel, go Harley or go home you faggot.

    4. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      99% of society thinks you're a redneck.

    5. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sportsbikes are fast. Cars are slow. Women like sportsbikes. What's not to understand?

      Oh and you wanna talk slow then let's talk Harley.

    6. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      *sigh* This whole article is so depressing. First it reminds me that I wish I could afford a $35,000 Subaru STi, then it reminds me than I wish I could afford a $10,000 Suzuki GSX. Life sucks. =)

    7. Re:Er, or just get a real bike.... by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Addendum: Women like sportbikes until you try and take them on a dinner/dancing date, or until the 2nd/3rd date. Then they start asking "Do you have a regular car? I don't like picking bugs out of my AuqaNet."

      -bZj

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  84. Re:This one time in the park... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Brilliant, absolutely freaking brilliant.

  85. "Case Modding" != "Ricing Up" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Nuff said. This does not exactly qualify as "case modding," although I do know people who might disagree.

    1. Re:"Case Modding" != "Ricing Up" by Down8 · · Score: 1

      Actually, case modding == ricing up.

      Neither provide for better performance.
      Most exhibitions of each are unattractive.

      Where as overclocking == hot rodding.

      -bZj

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  86. Hehe...they trashed that Sentra by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

    I should point out that in a lot of ways, Nissan is the sworn enemy of the Volkswagen speed freak. Basically, the problem is that we all believe that the VWs are basically great cars which can be tuned into race demons. Nissan, however, makes shitty cars whose specs always look better than VWs, and therefore people who only look at specs naturally assume it's a better car.

    It boils down to this: VW racers tend to care more about compression ratios, turbo spool points, back pressure, boost pressure, aluminum clutch plates and overengineered Torsen all wheel drive systems; while Nissan racers tend to put a bunch of fucking blue nylon tape on the hood, cut the springs, and call it a day.

    When I was test driving two years ago, I found myself behind the wheel of a Nissan at a couple different lots. Each car scared the hell out of me. The suspension was way too tight and managed to somehow be jagged in both the attack and resolution. The steering was loose but the steering system made it feel tight...the exact opposite of the VW. Same with the gearbox (though VW does have a problem with "uncertainty" in their transmissions, and if you've driven an A4 Jetta you know what I mean). And the engine...well, Nissan's engines are pretty good, but like most japanese cars they've got no freaking torque. Adding a passenger and a duffel bag is a good way to cut your acceleration in half.

    What really irks us, though, is how Nissan seems to be stealing VW's design plans. Compare the sentra redesign in 2000 with the Jetta redesign in 1998.5...they change the same things. Then take a look at the 2003 Maxima, and for that matter the 2002 Altima, and compare them to the sillouette of the 1998 Passat. Again, these cars look more like the Passat than they do their own previous models! At least until you get inside, or own one for a year or so. After 5 years on the road, my GLX Passat looks better than my friend's 2 year old Maxima, with a similar commute. Hell, if it wasn't for all the roadsalt and scratches from SUV owners slamming their doors into me trying to get their kids out of a car seat 5 feet off the ground, this car would totally cherry.

    It's a silly racer's quarrel, like Chevy vs Ford. I'm not going to get a little decal of Calvin pissing on an Altima, but it feels good to see a Nissan get trashed.

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    1. Re:Hehe...they trashed that Sentra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "US" what the fuck? Are you on the fucking payroll? God forbid anyone have a different opinion about cars you arrogant cunt.

    2. Re:Hehe...they trashed that Sentra by AaronCiesar · · Score: 1

      As an employee of a Nissan & VW automobile dealership, I can plainly state that the above rant is rather biased. 90% of the employees who own a car sold by our dealership drive a Nissan. 100% of the employees who qualify for a demo drive a Nissan.

      Those who own a VW regret the decision, unless they of course own a Passat. Even the VW Certified Services Technicians & Advisors own Nissans. VW's are underpowered, unrelaible, junk-mobiles with lower resale values, excluding the Passat. Some domestic cars are more reliable than VW's.

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  87. Lame. So, so lame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These cars are so lame. I miss my cars from the 70s. They had style and muscle. These little rice burners are so boring, they are all the same.

  88. all it needs is a turbo by racerx509 · · Score: 1

    Not sure why they put in all the effort. When in doubt, turbo it. My old, boxy, heavy volvo 740turbo weighing in at 3200lbs, with A/C but my subwoofer removed will run a 14.6 in the quarter. How can a boxy, old, heavy machine do that? Turbo!!! No exhaust, free flowing intake, ram air, turbo, saab APC boost controller, 35lb injectors, Rising Rate Fuel Pressure REgulator, Euro "A" cam and Performance Plug Wires with NGK plugs to round it out. The car still looks like shite too, but its fun to pick on the rice. I love revving my old volvo next to the honda on 20" rims who thinks he's fast....little do they know.

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  89. A quote from the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's one hell of a go-kart

  90. mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the worst analogy ever.

  91. It's Called... by Null_Packet · · Score: 1

    Ricing

  92. mod parent +1, cheeky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    blah blah blah

  93. Re:Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The case still is not over, stupid. Uzi Nissan owned the trademark name Nissan before Datsun changed to Nissan for its cars. Uzi Nissan created a computer company in 1991 with the Nissan name. Uzi Nissan registered Nissan.com for his computer company back in 1994. He used the name for his computer company. Nissan Automobiles has been every means possible to steal this domain name from its rightful owners. Courts are easily swayed by who has the most amount of money.

  94. should have left the exhaust on by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I understand the whole "ripping everying possible off this car to reduce weight", but I think the removal of the exhaust probably caused a reduction in horsepower that was ultimately worse than the reduction in weight gained by removing it.

    By removing the pipe straight off the header, the exhaust leaving the engine hits instant turbulence. With the ultimate goal for exhaust being to keep it moving smoothly out of the cylinders, this doesn't help. Also, the cooler temperatures at the stock end of the header also cause a reduction in exhaust flow.

    Honestly, I think they would have been better off leaving the exhaust system in place and removing the muffler.

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  95. 12's 14's Explained by reality-bytes · · Score: 1

    The referece to 12's & 14's is the time taken in seconds for the car to cover 1/4 of a mile from a standing start.

    Hence anything under 14seconds is pretty impressive.

    The japanese really know how to do this with road-legal(ish) cars in their use of Nissan Skylines and Toyota Supras tuned to around 1000bhp!!. I hear that if their quarter-mile times are above 7.5seconds on road tyres they get very upset :)

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  96. pah... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

    Its hilarious to hear car people going on about power to weight ratio and having 400HP at the back wheel and 0-60 in 5s.

    My little 250cc motorbike still smokes nearly every car out there. (and for the very very few cars it doesnt, i'll just point to any of the 1L Yamaha or Suziki sports bikes available for less than 15k at any local motorbike shop).

    People who think cars are fast are deluded.

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    1. Re:pah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who think cars are fast are deluded.

      Put on your Adidas and try to outrun one. Everything is relative. Also, try to look at your passenger's face while you're accelerating on your bike. I dare you.

    2. Re:pah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nice. And you wonder why "crotch rocket" riders are generally thought of as assholes.

    3. Re:pah... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      passenger? what's that? :)

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  97. ECU programming anyone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have expected a few notes on ECU programming and not a bunch of who knows best and "my car rules" comments - oh well, you can't win them all, especially when it comes to the male egos and their cars?

    This would be more familiar to most of the true /. crowd ECU programming

  98. Re:This one time in the park... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one time in the park I saw two guys making out, and that was the gayest thing I've ever seen until I read this article.

    I couldn't have said it better.

  99. oh please by Dr_Auknix · · Score: 0, Troll

    Some of us who read the website are gearheads who actually get out and DO stuff with technology rather than making lunix run on a pair of shoes.

    I applaud slashdot for posting something for the rest of us.

  100. Re:This one time in the park... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah it was brilliant when it was said on southpark years ago

  101. It's not a "case mod", idiot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called "Hot Rodding", and it's been done on cars for, like, forever. What kind of moron thinks that they've stumbled on a new concept? Guess what? NASCAR "stock" cars and top fuel dragsters have already taken this concept to its logical extreme: skin on frame with an engine in it. No interior amenities, no air conditioning, stereo, power windows, doors, trunklid, spare tire, headlights.

    Hey boy, get off the computer for a while and take a look around. This ain't no new thing you've "stumbled" on. You forget that the word "hot rod" applied to cars long before it applied to your goofy overclocked, case modded PCs.

  102. luzers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, so i know a lot of people that do this kinda stuff. do these people think theay are cool? do they know what they are doing now? this is everyday day stuff i and my friends do. i live in the detroit area, and my car does run linux. they are stating the obvious. morons

    no link, because of the /. effect.....

  103. 12s by phriedom · · Score: 1

    The above guy is correct. You should also know that they round down. So 12.99 seconds is said to be running twelves or "in the twelves." 14s are good for a stock car. 12s are exceptional for a stock car. The new blown Cobra Mustange can barely dip into the 11s, but think there were using drag radials and icing the intake.

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  104. you could try calling the cops on them by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    [This text here because slashdot is broken]

  105. Weight saving is important = efficiency by metz2000 · · Score: 1

    They knocked 39.39% of weight off of that car, how impressive! It makes you realise how much un-necessary weight there is in a car...

    I always make the effort to remove CDs from the glove box, keep the rubbish out the back, and keep the boot empty... I take the parcel shelf off also. I reckon over the next 40 years of my life I will save a few litres of petrol, but it all counts... and I'll go *so* much faster getting to work.

    Seriously though, I wonder how much the limit could really be pushed with making cars lighter (without making them look silly like this Nissan).

    Two obvious choices for future cars are:
    - Aluminum body.
    - Carbon Fibre bits.

    Anyone else think of some other obvious weight saving stuff (without chopping the car to pieces)?

  106. Re:yeah you can say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while you watch me rearend get smaller and smaller.

    On a diet?

  107. how fucking stupid.. here's a hint... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....

    buy a real car in the first place... turd polishing is so pathetic

  108. Automotive and PC parallells. by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

    You know, I was sitting here wondering why the hell this thing was on Slashdot, and it occurred to me that the automotive and PC worlds are much more alike than you'd think. There are the technical ubergeeks - the ones who know every detail of how the machine runs and works. There are the every day users, who couldn't care less as long as the darn thing works and only have to get it fixed very occassionally. You have the speed fanatics, who are only interested in one thing - going faster at any cost, even if it means reducing the life and reliability of the machine. And finally, of course you have the wannabes. The ones who are convinced that doing XYZ will be better/faster/cooler when the opposite is often true, and end up simply looking like morons to the rest of us.

    1. Re:Automotive and PC parallells. by satterth · · Score: 1

      Amen brother

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    2. Re:Automotive and PC parallells. by metz2000 · · Score: 1

      I have thought this myself as well. Good shout.

      Life as a whole is a quest for speed and efficiency really. It can be seen in almost any aspect of life.

      For example;
      Reading has people that want to read faster - speed readers.
      Offices have people who want you to work efficiently - managers.
      Parcel companies try to squeeze out every second for faster delivery times (even though the customer might not realise!).
      Lift manufacturers try and push the limit as far as how fast a lift can go whilst still being comfortable for the people in it, how fast the doors can close, and also giving the lifts intelligence (with microchips) that allow them to 'know when they are full' so they can skip a floor.

      All in all, things are getting faster - everywhere.

      A good book that summarises this is "Faster - James Gleick", which I give 5 stars.

      Metz

  109. FuCK RICE BuRNERS by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Oh, so we should rename this site to RiceBurnersSuckDot.

    RICE BURNERS SUCK! They are stupid. They're just made to look like they're all raced out but they go slower than molasses running uphill at zero kelvin. In reality, despite the idiots' efforts and financial resources dumped into making these stupid rice burners, these cars do not even look fast. They just look stupid.

  110. Not a PC? by chiph · · Score: 1

    For all those slashdotters wondering why there's an article about a car on a computer news site --
    I'd like to point out that it *is* water-cooled.

    Chip H.

  111. big fucking deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about the mother fucking bat mobile? am i the only one who thinks that the ultimate case mod?

  112. "Rice" mods... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So true.

    It begs the question as to whether or not each successive generation gets a bit more stupid and/or superficial than the last. Why do all too many dipshits who think that bolting a jungle gym spoiler and a farting coffee can exhaust is cool? How did this happen? Somehow I think MTV (the shiny objects network) is to blame here.

    Kudos to those guys. Very cool experiment.

  113. sad (or pathetic?) by iamhassi · · Score: 1

    the sad thing is that he had 19" wheels and that huge wing, but getting to 60 in leisurely 8.6

    The epitimy of "rice boy".

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  114. 0-60 in 8.1sec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0-60 in 8.1 seconds? Ha, Ha this is performance?

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