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Review of iTunes Music Store
First, the disclaimer: I'm an Apple supporter, having used them as my desktop system since my parents got a IIe back when they were new. I run several Unix servers, but my desktop of choice has always been Apple. Also, while I like listening to music, I'm no audiophile, and can't usually tell the difference between a 192kbps MP3 and the CD it is encoded from. My best speakers are on my computer, and they are Monsoon flat panel 3-piece set.
Ok, on to the review. iTunes Music Store requires the new version of iTunes of course, for which Apple has updated the brushed metal interface again (Apple, why do you come up with this great Aqua interface and then never use it?). My first stop on any new program is always the preferences, and Apple's added some new options for this version: "Sharing" and "Store." I don't have any other computers worth streaming music too, so that's off, and I turn off the one-click shopping. I like having a shopping cart.
The store itself is presented as a special playlist in iTunes, just click and it connects. It presumes a fairly wide iTunes window, wider than I usually use, but the stuff I wanted was all on the left side so I'm fine. The default store layout is obviously Amazon-inspired: new additions, up and coming, editor's picks, and most popular all being highlighted. Genre is a pull-down menu on the top left: all the picks change and the background color. Click on an album to view it in a two-pane view: info above and songs below. There are easy links back at any point, or up the hierarchy. Double click on a song to hear the preview (not just the first 30 seconds, they seem to actually choose them).
That's the basics. There are two levels of search: the search box in iTunes and a Power Search available from inside the store. The Power Search lets you search by song, artist, album, genre, and composer. Users of Limewire will find it familiar. Clicking Browse puts up three panes across the top: genre, artist, album. Once an album is selected the songs are available below.
On to the interesting stuff: actually buying songs. I select a song I've got a poor p2p copy of and click buy, and it asks me to sign in with my Apple ID, or create one if I don't have one. This is where I have my first problem. I have an Apple ID, but entering it puts up a message saying I've never used it with iTunes Music Store before (well, duh) and asks me to review the terms and conditions. Then it directs me to the account creation screen, with my info already filled in.
Of course, the account creation screen won't let you create a duplicate account, and asks me to log in. Can we say endless loop? How about bug that should be fixed?
I create a new email address, and make a new account. No problem. Log in, select the song and a couple others. Click "Buy Song," enter credit card info (which is then saved into the account, on Apple's server) and the songs download quickly. I had one more blip: one song had trouble downloading (I assume server load) and was told to try again later, with a menu option. It worked several hours later.
The selection is broad, but not yet very deep. Many albums I found are in partial status, with only one or two songs. Several artists I was looking for were not listed at all. Considering this is just roll-out that isn't a major issue (they weren't big artists, at least not in the U.S.). Everyone should be able to find at least some of their picks available.
Also, some albums are listed as "Explicit" or "Clean." Notice I said "albums": if one song in an album has a label they all seem to, though I didn't do an exhaustive search. Since this is structured as song-centric, I feel they should have labeled on a song-by-song basis.
Enough with the marketing stuff, this is /. The files, as was mentioned in the announcement, are in AAC format. Let's see what we can do with that, shall we?
First options: inside iTunes. iTunes can convert one format to another normally, trying it on a 'protected' AAC file returns an error. Also, trying to burn an MP3 CD with one on the playlist just skips burning the AAC files (or returns an error if they are the only files.) Fair enough, we didn't really expect the capability to circumvent all controls to be built in... (Though you can of course burn regular CDs.)
Next, let's see what can be done with the file itself. They are saved, just like any other iTunes music file, in the iTunes music folder. The icon has a little lock on it, to indicate its 'protected' status. A few clicks later and the file is owned by guest:nobody chmod 777 and in a world readable folder. (Assigned to guest.)
So much for one definition of protection. [Ed: I renamed the file to .m4a (not protected) and set the permissions to the same as my other tracks, and iTunes would still not let me convert it to MP3.]
I can also play that file as another user on the same machine. I would try other machines, but I only have the one Mac at the moment.
The only other Mac player I can find that claims to play AAC is only for Mac OS v9, and does not appear to recognize the bought file, so no help there. I do however have an app that hijacks the audio stream before the speakers and allows you to play with equalizers, balance, etc. Oh, and it lets you save the result as an MP3 as well as playing it through the speakers.
I fire it up and a few minutes later I have an MP3 that I can't tell from the AAC. So much for that definition of protection.
Is this service for everyone? Probably not if you are a hard-core audiophile and can tell the difference between a 128kbps ACC and the original, but for most of us: it works. I can do what I want with the file, even get it to MP3 if I need it, though it is hard enough that I have to actually think about doing it (which means I won't do it unless I need to). I'd love it if it were cheaper, but I probably would not buy twice as many songs at half the price. Finding songs is easy, buying them is easy. (For reference: $0.99 per song does not include taxes, taxes will be listed in the invoice you are emailed.)
I'll probably spend too much money there.
are you crazy? How long till someone writes a virus that hijacks iTunes and makes you purchase thousands of songs?
Here are my own notes on problems with enabling my account, problems with (and benefits of) playlist sharing, and extracting cover art.
I've spent more money on music in the last two days then I have in the last two months thanks to the Apple Music Store.
The songs are about what you would pay in a store for a CD, actually probably more on average. Now subtract the pressing, shipping, stocking, labor, etc costs which normally are taken out of the price at retail, and you have record companies making a mint if this in fact takes off.
well, if you were to buy a mid range PC and not a sub 1k PC you would be able to affird a mac.
:-p lets just say I have had nothing but problems and am glad that I bought the extended service plan for it.
hey the EMac is $1000 and comes with a combo drive and 17 in monitor.
and laptops from apple are so much better than the PC counterparts. makes me sad that I listened to my wife and did not buy the powerook when I bought my laptop...she wanted a PC
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
This isn't a review, this is a story of one users problems and solutions. Reviews imply opinions on how easy it was to use, how quick it was, how easy it was to find.
/. reader have a real review of this? Maybe some opinions on what they did right and what they did wrong?
Any
I had the exact same ID problem and here is how I fixed it:
1) Goto http://www.apple.com
2) Go into the apple store
3) Signin using your userid
4) Add your credit card info to you apple ID
5) (optional?) I turned on 1-click shopping too, not sure if it mattered
6) Go back into iTunes and go through the registration process. You should be able to use your existing ID now.
I can definitely tell you that this worked for me but your milage may vary depending on the gremlins living in your house.
"Freedom of speech has always been the abstract red-headed stepchild of the Constitution"
-Suck
Well, it didn't take that long to get past all the protection apple put in.
However, I still think apple has it right with this music service (Even if it is apple-only right now) - they've made it rather easy to mix-n-match the songs you want to make your own compilations. Still sucks that it takes a lot of extrs work to make an mp3 CD.
Then again, if you can fit 300+ mp3s on a CD, that's quite a bit of cash to spend downloading songs.
I am a filthy pirate.
if an album has more than 10 songs it costs 9.99 if it hase 10 songs you pay 9.90 and then less than that it is .99 x songs.
and the fact that you can burn a real audio cd that plays in cd players everywhere makes this so much better than other sevices.
I don't know if you can print up the cover art or the CD art for lable printing but if you can that would kick more ass.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
I think the quality of and restrictions placed on the files are acceptable. From all the compaining in the last article on this service (1400 posts!), you'd think Apple had announced a listen-once for $1.00 service.
The selection of music, while not great initially, will be expanded. They don't want me to subscribe. It's $1.00 a song - easy impulse buy. I get to choose what to do with my music - I think the copy restrictions are pretty reasonable - of course they fit my usage pattern.
I get the convenience of buying music relatively easily and painlessly, at an acceptable quality level, and without wasteful and largely unnecessary packaging. In the vast majority of cases, I (the consumer, the one who SHOULD be dictating the rules) get to pick and choose within the selection of music offered.
At least Apple is trying to give people what they want. There are some downsides to this service, but even the most stringent fair-use advocates have to admit that the itunes store is the current high water mark for selling music on the internet without Draconian restrictions.
Right, that's always been an argument.
There was a time when a 486 cost $3k, but today Macs, taking into account deflation, cost less than half that.
If you *wanted* a Mac, you can afford it. If you can't afford it, it isn't really the price that's stopping you.
Of course there are exceptions, but on the general, a Mac today is so affordable that to use the price of a Mac over that of a PC is hardly a hefty argument. A better argument would be, "But no one I know uses a Mac, so I'd have to figure out everything on my own," or "I've got $1,000 worth of software on my PC that I can't use on my Mac," or "All my games live on my PC, if I bought a Mac I can't play those games anymore," are all more valid reasons than "An iBook costs 15% more than a similar PC laptop," or "An iMac costs 20% more than a similar PC desktop."
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The iTunes 4 software is quite possibly the best software I have ever seen (15 years in software development). The AAC song files sound great.
iTunes 4 is very intuitive. Menu buttons change icons depending on context, windows navigate where they should with no delay, backwards/forwards works, etc. you don't even think about it. The experience reminded me of the first time I shopped at Amazon.com (logical layout, recommendations, appropriate links to other items, etc.)
I spent three hours playing with it the first night (staying up way past bed time..) which flew by in what seemed to be 15 minutes. I spent $25 and bought some great music. Exclusive iTunes store-only tracks from U2 and Sting are now on my iPod.
When downloads failed, a pull down menu option (to resume interrupted downloads) worked seamlessly. In most instances there were no delays (on 30 sec previews, or downloads).
The only complaint I have is when I bought two tracks for 99 cents each, then decided I wanted the album for 9.99. Apple wouldn't give me a credit for the two tracks bought only a minute earlier "several tracks on this album have already been purchased. Proceed buying the album for $9.99?". I burned the album to CD and gave it to the wife. She said it sounded perfect.
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That's the thing right there. IF you get the whole CD. This isn't for people that buy the whole CD, if you can't tell. You can pick and choose whatever individual songs you want. My playlist is a couple of hundred songs comprised of DOZENS of artists off of probably 50 albums. I'd much rather buy 200 individual tracks than 50 full albums.
'Standards' in computing only impress those who are impressed by things like 'standards'.
Dude, if you're not planning on sharing the music you buy with the whole world, the restrictions that they *do* put in will NEVER hinder you.
Do you burn a given playlist more than 10 times? Do you have more than three Macs you will use to listen to that music? You can put what you buy on an UNLIMITED number of iPods (ok, nobody has a ton of them, but still) and 128kbps AAC sounds better than an MP3 of the same bitrate. Not quite the 320kbps you "require" but still very good.
It's amazing how people always complain. People, it's not going to get better than this. Do you really think Apple could have struck a deal with the five record labels without some sort of DRM?
Well being that ive been buring cd's since 1X drives and was a beta tester for scour.net I thought I would never pay for an mp3. In fact I would say I have moral qualms about doing so. Well last night after installing itunes4 I figured that i might as well see what all the hubbub is about. What a wonderfull idea, there is no better place for a music store than in my music library. An hour, 15 song samples and two videos later I broke down, gave them my credit card and bought a Massive Attack track.
total cost 99cents plus my soul....
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If I'm going be supporting the RIAA with my money, by god, I want CD quality and the ability to manipulate the files however I wish.
Of course with copy-protected CD's and such, this option might be dying slowly.
Apple needs to get in tight with independent music labels and let bands choose what they want to charge for each song, minus some standard fee. For example, Apple can charge $.45 per song transaction fee, and if the band wants to each song to cost $.50, then the band would only get a $.05 return on each song.
They should really try to establish a legitimate community around this service. I'm thinking of something like AudioGalaxy, but with artists being fairly compensated.
Oh yeah, 'cause we all know that Kazaa is just full of high-quality, properly labeled, 320kbs MP3's. Full the the brim. Yep. And anything you want is available.
/. wankers that endlessly scream about wanting a cheap MP3 non-DRM soultion 'or we'll just use Kazaa' but ignore Emusic or Apple's new services (which fit very well with the dream of a decent online music service) are just full of crap. they don't wanna pay for music and just wanna whine whine whine.
Please.
I gave up on Kazaa and any other P2P music when I signed up for Emusic. It's a simular, but cheaper (and not as major-label heavy) service. Now that I get tons of properly-labeled, decent quality MP3's, with no DRM, flat monthly fee, and unlimited downloads I have no reason to ever p2p again; I'm willing to pay for trust and quality. But no one will probably read this, 'cause it's AC, and all the
Like Kazaa is such hot stuff. Please. Kazaa is crap for music!
Most albums in the store are $9.99 (cheaper than buying a CD in a store). However, consider that most albums only have like 3 songs worth listening too, which you can buy for $2.97. Do you see the savings now?
On to the interesting stuff: actually buying songs. I select a song I've got a poor p2p copy of and click buy, and it asks me to sign in with my Apple ID, or create one if I don't have one. This is where I have my first problem. I have an Apple ID, but entering it puts up a message saying I've never used it with iTunes Music Store before (well, duh) and asks me to review the terms and conditions. Then it directs me to the account creation screen, with my info already filled in.
Of course, the account creation screen won't let you create a duplicate account, and asks me to log in. Can we say endless loop? How about bug that should be fixed?
I've signed up two accounts since the store opened and both went from the terms and conditions screen into the store once I had succesfully logged in with an existing apple id. I would say this is probably an isolated incidant. Or at least one of low occurance as it's the first place I've seen the error reported.
The selection is broad, but not yet very deep. Many albums I found are in partial status, with only one or two songs. Several artists I was looking for were not listed at all.
It's a new service and Apple admits freely that they are adding music as quickly as possible and are only adding what the music labels have agreed to provide.
Also, some albums are listed as "Explicit" or "Clean." Notice I said "albums": if one song in an album has a label they all seem to, though I didn't do an exhaustive search. Since this is structured as song-centric, I feel they should have labeled on a song-by-song basis.
This is most likely due to how the songs/albums are provided to Apple by the labels. When you go to a store and there are two copies of an album one is clean and the other is explicit it is because one or more songs on the album are considered to be that way. This very well may have to do with the voluntary labeling the record labels have been doing. This is hardly an issue, and for many parents letting their kids get music using iTunes is probably a good thing. So I don't see how this could possibly be an issue, nor do I see a reason for it to be changed.
First options: inside iTunes. iTunes can convert one format to another normally, trying it on a 'protected' AAC file returns an error. Also, trying to burn an MP3 CD with one on the playlist just skips burning the AAC files (or returns an error if they are the only files.) Fair enough, we didn't really expect the capability to circumvent all controls to be built in... (Though you can of course burn regular CDs.)
Of course you can't burn MP3 cds, of course you can't convert the song directly to mp3 in iTunes. That would blatently break the copy limitations and the record companies wouldn't have allowed Apple to go through with it. However, the easiest way to beat the copy protection is either convert the AAC file with another app that ignores the protection or burn a regular cd from iTunes and then rerip the song into the format of your choice. Of course you are burning and ripping a reduced quality song and then encoding it into yet another lossy format (probably) which is only going to reduce the quality more so there isn't really a great reason to do so.
This service isn't for everyone. It's for people that primarily listen to thier songs on thier computer, ipod, or maybe the car. Anyone with a nice stereo isn't going to want to go this route due to the reduced quality of the songs. My experience with the system has been good so far. I don't see myself buying a lot of music because of a couple of reasons. First, the price per song is not low enough to justify the low quality of the reproduction. If I go to the store and buy a cd I'm getting several songs for around $1.00 - $1.50 each depending on the artist, label, and number of tracks on the cd. These are in high quality format on the cd and I can rip the entire cd to whatever quality format I want. I also get a jewel case and liner notes etc. When I get a song from the
Unless you live in canada, or buy special 'music' CDs rather then regular Data CDs, you do not get taxed.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
The so-called 'security number' is something different than the last three digits of your CC-nr. You can usually find it on the backside of the card somewhere close to the signature field. On mine there are the last four digits of the CC-nr. followed by the three digit security code. See if you can find that and then it should work. Good luck.
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Tried to sign up for the service, it asked for the "security number" at the end of my credit card number. Everything was correct but it kept telling me that the security number was invalid (it's hard to mistype 3 digits... come on).
The security number typically on the *back* of your credit card. You'll see it on the signature line, next to the last 4 numbers of your CC#. So if your card number is:
1234 4321 4567 9876
You'll see something like:
9876 654
on the back of your card. Those last three numbers are your security number.
Does anyone happen to know if the transaction is even encrypted? What's to stop someone from snooping my account and ordering themself a ton of songs under my name?
Uhhhh....you *do* know how to check if your browser is using SSL for a particular page or not, right? There's usually an icon somewhere on the status line with most browsers.
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It seems a lot of people have issues with the service... which is fine. For me personally, the service is great.
Last night I bought the CD Thrive by the Newsboys for $9.90. At my local Best Buy the CD is $14.99. I'm not much of one to shop around so maybe I could have found it a dollar cheaper here or there. In essence, I saved $5.00. Yeah I had to pay a quarter or so for the CD-R but whatever. From the time I clicked "Buy Album" to the time my computer ejected the burned disc it took a total of 12 minutes. A good 95% of the time that I listen to music I will buy a CD, bring it home, encode it (used to encode to MP3 160, now AAC 128), then burn a copy to keep in my car. Very rarely did I use the original CD as I have a Jeep Wrangler and things have disappeared before. So quality wise I haven't lost anything either.
Are the record companies making a mint off me since they don't have to press the CD's or make the cover art. Possibly. But I saved $5.00 plus gas/time. They were already making money off me anyhow.
I was actually impressed with the number of artists they did have. I'd say they had a good 3/4ths of the artists I wanted to listen to and as this is just the beginning I'd anticipate more in the coming months.
I personally am going to be using this service as much as possible. It may not be for everybody... if you're so high strung on a "down with the RIAA" mission and you feel that you're giving them more money than before then I wouldn't recommend it. My thought is that even if they are getting more money I am losing less. Which is what I care about. If you don't have a cable modem speed connection then it's probably not the cat's pajamas either. Maybe you don't like the selection. Fair enough. If your favorite P2P network works for you that's fine too. As far as ease of use and reliability goes, I'm feeling that this is something I will definitely continue to use.
Got a chance to play with the store and the new iTunes on a friend's Mac yesterday.
:-) when compared with brick-and-mortar retailing or even traditional on-line sales. The ability to browse and listen to *all* the available tracks is just wonderful.
.mac account and that gets installed on the system when you "register" that system to be able to play your music. It will be interesting to see what the proccedure is if you have three "registered" systems and one of them is stolen or goes up in smoke. Do you permanently lose one of your three system registrations?
In general I think this is absolutely a Killer App, and there's a lot of money to be made by Apple, especially if they can get into the Windows marketplace. Clearly Microsoft has dropped the ball on this one as even a cursory look at the Apple set up has one wondering if there will even be any music stores in five years, or even any commercially pressed CDs.
Music is the perfect on-line purchase (even better than books
But it looks like there are still some obstacles to be overcome. Why is there so little music (relatively speaking) available at launch? Why are many popular artists (the Beatles for example) completely missing? Why are so many albums only half there??
Ok, maybe a lot of music is controlled by companies that haven't signed on with Apple yet, but I got the feeling that the record companies really don't trust this system yet and are still afraid that this is going to somehow increase the illegal distribution of their music (like people would buy music from Apple rather than rip it off an original CD).
Is it paranoid to think that perhaps the reason that there are so many albums with only half of their tracks available represents an attempt to see whether these tracks show up more often in song-sharing p2p netowrks than the tracks that haven't been offered?
So I wasn't as impressed as I was holping, only because probably 75-80% of the music I would want to buy isn't yet available on the service.
Assuming that the record companies eventually realize that they can make a hell of a lot of money this way with no distribution costs, and that it doesn't lead to any more theft than unprotectable CD sales already do, and if Apple can win the Windows market as well, then they might eventually make more money off this than computer sales.
One really obvious thing that's missing: the ability to search by song lyrics.
I'm guessing that the actual AAC files downloaded to the Mac are encrypted using a key that's tied to your
I assume that the CDs burned from iTunes are ordinary CDs and there would be nothing stopping someone from turning around and ripping them to mp3.
G.
I would guess the music selections are different, but on balance, I think I would prefer something like eMusic to Apple's $1/song.
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I'd like to be able to make a wish list of all of the songs and albums that I want, put it in iTunes and tell it to spend $30 a month.... the current set up tends to make me impulse buy lots and lots of songs and spend way to much money :) I think I'll have to give up vending machine cokes to support my music habit...
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who can count in binary and those who can't.
You're recompressing a compressed-expanded file.
Dude, if you're not planning on sharing the music you buy with the whole world, the restrictions that they *do* put in will NEVER hinder you.
Not true at all. I bought a track at work, but I can't play it at home because I'm unable to authorize my home computer(s) due to a proxy configuration.
I got around this by burning a CD and ripping the audio again. Of course, I had to rip it to mp3 because my slimp3 won't play AAC.
I think the store's a great idea and I intend to use it, but the DRM certainly does hinder the innocent.
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Fuck that, they need to charge a more reasonable price, like $0.05 a song or $1 an album.
That's not financially possible. Under U.S. copyright law, the songwriter's publisher gets about 8 cents per copy in addition to what the label gets.
Will I retire or break 10K?
You said "Now that I get tons of properly-labeled, decent quality MP3's, with no DRM, flat monthly fee, and unlimited downloads"
I hate kazaa and most all p2p apps. I like the idea I just don't care for the hassle and time involved. Its like that linux expression, "Mp3 downloads on kazaa are only free if your time is worth nothing, and quality means nothing to you"
I had never looked into emusic, but if it is in fact flat fee, unlimited downloads, no DRM, I think I may take a look at it. Thanks AC.
Oh, look. Another Apple zealot helping to further spread FUD.
Let's see. Last year after a lot of shopping around I put together my current desktop box. It's a dual (yes, dual) PIII 1.0GHz with 1GB (yes, GB) of RAM, an nVidia GFx something card with 64MB or RAM, and two 40GB disks. All under $1,300.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain how I can get that type of rig from Apple within the same price range, hmmm?
If people are willing to pay premium for a Mac because it looks kewl, fine. If you don't need the kind of firepower I need, fine. There is a certain value added component to Macs which some people go for, and that's OK. I mean, it's your money so you should be able to spend it any way you want. But please spare us the "Macs are not expensive" tirade. You folks sound like Baghdad Bob yelping about the infidels being butchered at the airport. Give it up.
The main problem with $.50 songs is that the credit card companies charge a minimum flat fee per transaction, on top of the percent-of-transaction fee and the monthly account charge, so it's close to impossible to sell anything for less than a dollar or so.
Example: If you've got a $.35 flat fee plus a 2% transaction fee (and you ignore the monthly fee since you hopefully have lots of transactions to spread it out over), you're looking at having a maximum of $.12 to cover the expenses of the seller and recompense the composer and artists. Let's assume the seller can make back their expenses including bandwidth and web hosting fees, plus computer upgrades and a sysadmin to keep track of all the database issues and automation, with only $.04 per track. (This seems fairly optimistic to me unless you're a huge corporation subsidizing this sevice in some way.) That means that each person in the band will make $.02 every time a track is sold/downloaded. If we further assume that all four artists want to earn close to minimum wage (say low end of $5.00/hour, 40 hours/week), they need to sell 10000 songs per week to earn just over $10,000 a year each. That might be a little difficult for an independent musician without access to radio air time.
Independent musicians and registration-free net radio at EmergentSound
I know this is somewhat offtopic, but everytime I see the counter-argument about the price of an iMac being a little bit more, it makes me want to set the record straight.
<Disclaimer>Yes, I have owned an iProduct. I traded an old development desktop of mine for an old iBook, and I loved it, but then I won a Tablet PC at Microsoft's launch event, and haven't been able to go back</Disclaimer>
What you fail to realize about most enthusiast PC owners is that they almost never buy a new PC. It's more of a rolling investment whereby they trickle in cash as they have it to upgrade whatever part happens to be lagging. This is often done at the rate of ~$100-$300 a purchase, where $300 is definitely a very high end purchase. So, in order to switch to an iSomething, a typical enthusiast PC owner (who has a "very fast box"(TM)), will have to save up enough for five to twenty instances of their regular purchase cycle (that's a lot!) in order to get something that has a similar performance level to what they're used to. (And make no mistakes, an enthusiast won't put out a large sum of money for something that's going to be slower.)
That's not just expensive, that's an entirely different economy! Owning apple hardware is like buying a new car every time the speed limit is raised... Granted, it isn't often, but when it happens, it really sucks to have to replace your machine.
Apple won't go down the constant stream of revenue path because they aren't the only ones who sell upgrades, and they like being the only ones who sell Apple computers. Often it makes more sense for a business to work in the service/stream model (just look at how all of the software companies are trying to get us to switch to software under the service model), but Apple doesn't like the loss of control.
Me, I'm in love with my tablet, and plan on selling it in order to buy a Centrino/Pentium-M tablet as soon as they're available (Hopefully, some company will come out with the enthusiast's model, and not just those dinky-900Mhz ULV models. Are you listening???) When Apple has their tablet available, I'll give it a shot, and maybe switch again, but then agian, I have a high paying job, and I'm not working within the confines of trickle purchasing...
Another argument: "I can't afford a Mac because I'm a broke college student and my PC is 30 months old and has no resale value."
Will I retire or break 10K?
Not really; the 128kb bit rate of these files doesn't approach the original in terms of quality.
If we were talking MP3, you'd be correct, but you really should try listening to AIFF versus 128Kbit AAC in a blind test.
My hearing tops out at about 25Khz (last time I tested it with a tone generator, around three years back), and I can't hear the difference between the CD and the AAC file on any of the tracks I've ripped so far.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Despite the lack of tact, Mr. Garner here does make a point. If you go to a store, and buy a CD the old fashioned way with your credit card you run plenty of chances to have your number stolen:
1) Siphoned from the cardreader
2) pulled from teh line leaving the store
3) pulled from transaction logs
4) Copied by attendant
5) Printed on your reciept which you then procede to discard on the floor or trash can (CompUSA prints your CC number on the reciept, I wouldn't put it past other stores to do the same)
T Money
World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
Might have had something to do with:
a) Apple being a mac company
b) No iTunes for windows
c) Smaller userbase to work out the kinks on
d) Proof positive for the record companies (we already know mac users have money to spend, so they will be more likely to pay)
e) Trying to promote the mac platform by doing what the PCs have failed at so far
f) "It came out on mac first"
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World Domination with a plastic spoon since 1984
The first consumer CD players were released in 1982 but the Beatles weren't there. Indeed they didn't show up formally until 1987 with the one exception of a limited release of Abbey Road in Japan in 1983.
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Eh? Every third post is "Apple's compressed music sounds like crap, it's 128Kbps, that's garbage. No way would I pay for such terrible quality." It seems like you guys are paying more attention to the bitrate than the sound and have made your mind up that any music encoded at 128Kbps couldn't possibly be near CD quality. I've not heard any music encoded in AAC but I wouldn't find it impossible to believe that music at 128Kbps could sound good.
I've heard a lot of claims (right here on Slashdot, no less) that DivX encoded video looks just as good as MPEG2 encoded DVD video (which is encoded at a significantly higher bitrate), so why do you guys find it so hard to believe that relatively low bitrate AAC audio could sound as good as MP3 audio of a higher bitrate?
What I find particularly nice about this dealy is that one doesn't have to log into some really poorly layed out web page with terrible graphics of Brittney and N'Sync splattered all over and with banners flying all about crashing into each other. It is a natural extension of iTunes and a pleasant aesthetic experience. It works just like the player, type in the name of your favorite band (that everyone has heard of) and the songs are layed out in front of you just like your own collection.
What I think will make this service sucessfull is that one merely has to click on the song for it to become part of one's collection. Songs can be attained just as simply as if they were already on one's harddrive and so the natural defense mechanisms we've all built up for traditional retail establishments and online retailers will be that much weaker. See a picture of a pretty pop star, click on it, and recieve instant gratification for not much money.
I mean, think about it. It really is kind of an ugly experience to log into amazon.com, their page is really quite ugly. And web browsers, if used to buy online mp3s, are not generally very well linked with your player (you tend to download to your default folder and then have to copy from there into iTunes.) Anyway this store makes spending money a really slick and easy thing to do. (cheaper and safer than sex) I just hope that some day it will offer some obscure music that I can't buy in music stores. Then I'll really get off on it.
First the one click sign up form has a small bug if you already have any apple account with a credit card. (e.g. mac.com, applestore, developer account, iphoto). The error messages they give are misleading as to the root cause of the problem but here is the trick to getting it to work. You must make sure that all of your apple accounts have identical info. when I say identical i mean exact. for example having a ten digit hyphenated phone number on one account and not on the music store record, or a different zip code will break it. Finally, counter intuitively, do not enter the security code number from the back of the credit card. the reason here is that the mac.com accounts dont have a place for it to be entered.
if all else fails, create a fresh account with a new e-mail address.
for cover art of all those tunes you did not buy from apple the best solution is clutter a freeware app that works with itunes. it auto lookups the cover art using amazon.com. it has some other feeatures too. but mainly it works slightly better than the one built into itunes since it does a more successful job of recognizing when two songs belong to the same album and avoids storing the cover art twice.
if you want to drag the cover art from clutter into itunes here is a procedure I recomend--I wish I could automate it. 1) open itunes and create a smart playlist of all track=1 tunes to get one tune from every album. 2) click on cover art display where it says "selection" and it will change to "now playing", 3) in the finder open ~/Library/Images/com.sprote.clutter/CDs and sort it by date.
now iterate the following, start playing the first song in your smart playlist, clutter will fetch the album cover, the finder will show a folder containing a jpeg. drag this to the album art in itunes, press command -> to move to the next song in itunes. rinse lather repeat. the only proble I encoutered was as I said in some cases itunes cant figure out that two songs are from the same album.
if you need high res cover art go to walmart's web site.
ps I spent last night playing with the store and after i got it to accept my credit card (yep the credit company called me to see if this was fraud too--multiple charges in a row for the same small amount is a fraud flag not an apple bug). I bought five peices of music before i realized this was like eating potatoe chips. flawless instant downloads, pristine music. fairly easy to find what I wanted, and though some things I wanted are missing the breadth of their coverage in other musical forms is astonishing. I even bough some music form artists I had never heard before because I found it while browsing. I really enjoyed the ability to fill in my music collection with a few songs I used to have on vinyl but would never be willing to buy the whole album again just to get those favorites.
and my conclusion is this. I've spent hours on kazza trying to download just a few songs I wanted. it rarely works the fist time since the servers beomce un avalaible or some dickhead entered the album decriptor wrong or the connection stinks or you cant find a decent bit rate or just part of the album..yada yada yada.
after using the applse site I realized what steve jobs was saying when he pointed out on cnn that using Kazza is like paying yourself minimum wages since you can only get 5 songs (= 5 dollars) in a hours worth of work!!! hopefully in a few years the price will drop even more at which point it will be way better than free,
THe only thing I was not too happy about was that I cant get these in mp3 format so I cant send them to my freinds with plain jane mp3 players. (you cant convert acc that you purchesed to mp3 in itunes--it will let you convert acc songs that you ripped yourself). I could burn a cd and re-rip them but by then the quality will be down. But franky this is just me being a weasel. its not fair use for me to mail songs around the globe.
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For those who dread the ACC format, here is a bit of news for you (in case you have not heard of this product). Audio Hijack allows you to put a software wedge between any application playing and will record the output to your standard AIFF. This, of course, can be played and converted to an MP3 with iTunes. Recording options include; Flash, Realplayer, DVD player, Windows Media player. Basically anything you can launch in a GUI.
I have found this invaluable when making personal movies and wanting to capture little sound clips or songs of the web. I run the iMovie FAQ if you interested in other cool things to do with your iLife.
As far as I can tell, it "expires" once your download is successfully completed. I had a problem downloading one song and had to quit and restart iTunes. Once I started iTunes again, I was able to complete the download. Here are a couple of links that give some more detailed information on backing up and interrupted downloads:
Backing up Songs
Interrupted Downloads
I think this service is great. The .99 impulse buy price sounds like a "magic number" to me.
If I was Steve-o Jobbs, I'd allow and motivate people to use the Apple stores (or other stores, Best Buy, Circuit City, Ratty Shack, etc.) to access this service. Wouldn't it be great for the non-tech-savvy does-not-have-a-broadband-connection is-afraid-to-install-new-software customer to go into a store (with a nice fat broadband connection), pick the songs they want and walk out with a custom CD hot off the burner?
Of course, there might be snags (they wouldn't want the file you bought to be accessible by another anonymous walk in customer), but it's probably easy to work around.
Kudos to Apple anyway.
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One is bandwidth. The high quality versions require more bandwidth to download, and Apple may actually want to sacrifice you so that other users get a better experience. (Think ISP throttling back subscribers who use the most bandwidth.)
High quality versions would require more bandwidth to provide. They would also require more disk space, and probably be more expensive. However, the people that want that (like myself) would probably pay more for that (I would). For example, I'm already paying for a high speed unlimited bandwidth internet connection. I'm paying a small fortune for it each month, but based on that it could be expected that I would probably pay more for a higher quality service in other related areas as well. Besides, bandwidth is really the concern of the user and not Apple. They warn users right up front that you really need a higher speed internet connection to be able to download the music, previews, etc effectivly.
Two, the recording industry. What you see today is doubtlessly a compromise. The industry is leery of unprotected high quality tracks. Thus, Apple gives some protection, and lowers the quality somewhat. I expect that if Apple insisted on high quality, the industry would demand strong DRM, and if Apple insisted on zero DRM, the industry would only permit low quality downloads.
I think this is the real issue. The recording industry probably figures that if they released higher quality music online it would just end up being on one of the p2p networks. Even if it did have very restrictive DRM. In fact I think very restrictive DRM on the files would make it so that the files showed up more frequently on the p2p networks, but of course I don't have any evidence to support that claim so it's just my opinion. Apple isn't insisting on strong DRM, they are providing a system that is fairly flexible and fair the users as well as the record companies. However, I don't think the price is justified because of the lower quality. I think that maybe $.50 is a fair price for a limited quality song but not almost the full price of the song (based on cd prices).
According to Apple, you can put the music on an unlimited number of iPods. I tried this. I dumped the music on my friend's iPod. It played just fine.
Now, I can only draw one conclusion from this: The iPod decrypts the AAC file without using your Apple ID. So, if somebody hacks the new iPod firmware update & gets the key out of it, anybody can play AAC files. How do I know this? Well, we tried to play the AAC file off of my friend's iBook in iTunes. Didn't work. The file was *still* encrypted, yet only iTunes cared about it.
To me, this has to be some ridiculous fast one Apple pulled on the RIAA Labels. I mean, you can still share music. You just have to use an iPod to do it.
* Twenty of your friends come over
* You copy all your purchased music from your computer to their iPod
* They leave and enjoy your music on the iPod without your presence
I do however have an app that hijacks the audio stream before the speakers and allows you to play with equalizers, balance, etc. Oh, and it lets you save the result as an MP3 as well as playing it through the speakers.
This app is called Audio Hijack Pro.
Fantastic value for 30$ only.
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If Apple would act as your music backup archive, letting you redownload the music in the future if your hard drive goes or they ship a new and improved codec and AAC becomes obsolete - now that would be worth having. That would give you something you don't have with CDs.
I've had my CD collection stolen twice now...
This has been said by many people, but I don't understand why it would be any different from converting it directly from .AAC to .MP3. When you burn an .AAC to CD, presumably, it will be the highest quality you can possibly get from the .AAC. You then rip to .MP3, it should be the same as decoding from .AAC and encoding to .MP3 (indeed, that is exactly what you are doing, except the intermediate step of converting to CD, which shouldn't degrade the sound at all.)
Its the truth. Transcoding hurts quality. It doesn't matter if you burn first or not.
Of course, I think this illustrates the point nicely. Out of the box iTunes 4 makes it just hard enough to make mp3s to discourage more casual use.
Users with a legitimate need for mp3s (in car, mp3 player that doesn't do AAC) can get them, which is good, but it isn't one-click piracy either.
Still, blank CDs are cheap but they're not free.
Lord Pixel - The cat who walks through walls
A little bigger on the inside than out
I think the Apple service looks pretty good too. I just wish I could get my label's music on it. I mean, I didn't expect Jobs to fly his jet to my house and ask for copies of our cds or anything, but it would be nice if there was an avenue to get music not made by one of the five majors on the service. Everyone want to do me a favor and request music from "Stop, Pop, and Roll" in the requests section? I'd be a big help!
All this talk about iTunes and so-called "legitimate" music downloading got me thinking - How are the copyright holders going to know if that "Without Me.mp3" on your system is legitimate? Now, I realize that there are technologies for digitally signing/watermarking content. But what is required in order to examine and verify those signatures/watermarks? I have some ideas, but I'd be interested in hearing what others think. (I'd post this to "Ask Slashdot" but for whatever reason I've been rejected every time but once.)
As soon as I heard this was available one use popped in my mind immediately. Free Preview. I can see many people simply preiewing songs...finding the ones they like...then heading to kazaa...
"Backwater" does not begin to describe eMusic's library. I was able to satisfy my more eclectic and obscure tastes in music for a few months while it was a novelty, but that's about it. I'm not going to subscribe to an effectively static content base like eMusic when Apple's is around. Check out the top downloaded albums on each service. 'Nuff said. If you want to make money with music (remember, these are businesses, not public services) then you'd better get the largest number of the most popular songs out there. To each his own, there's a place for both, the market will decide in the long run.
And in general, now that the dust has settled, Apple did a great thing in the way of free markets. They have one solution that is legal, cheap, easy, and sensory-satisfying. You can still go to the record store. You can still use p2p (in between the big brother IMs being sent to the users the last few days... what direction do you think THAT's going in...) You can still rip/mix/burn. The constitution is not in tatters and definitely Hilary Rosen and probably the EFF and I'd wager even the gang at 2600 are sleeping soundly this week. Not a bad accomplishment for a guy and his shop who's been presumed dead and buried so many times there's a revolving door on their gravesite.
I'll spend money here. Likely more than CDNOW^H^H^H^H^H Amazon, because I don't have to wait for or pay for shipping. BTW - I got my invoice for 15 songs - $14.85 and 0.00 tax - anyone else see that?
And as one of the promos mentioned, this forces better music - no more 1 hit track and 11 fillers - you'd better make every track count or you'll be selling 1/12 of your previous sales in short time. Are you listening, Mr. Mathers? Miss Spears? Damn. Sure glad I bought TMBG's Apollo 18 as a CD...
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
The poster said "after a lot of shopping around".
I bill my time at $100 an hour (not as expensive as it sounds when you have your own business). A lot of shopping around, downloading drivers, assembling computers, and dealing with conflicts costs much more than the difference between a PC and a MAC.
There is a lot of hostility out there about which computer people use. Who gives a shit?
"The world is a construct of forceful imagination. Those who don't know walk around in the reailties of those who do"
I really like the system Apple's got for distributing songs electronically. How long before they come up with some system for distributing movies in a similar way and price them at $.99 or even $1.99?
The individual "songs" themselves are also odd. Look at the Beethoven 9th Symphony. They've broken the 4th movement (the choral "Ode to Joy") into multiple "tracks" asking $0.99 for each! Then there are instances where not all of the tracks of an album are available for download. If you'd like to listen to the 1st, 2nd, and 5th movements of some work, then download them individually. If you want the whole work, you've got to download the entire album.
This may work for popular music, but it leaves a lot to be desired for classical music.