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Latest Animatrix Short Released

martyn s writes "The latest animatrix short, The Second Renaissance, Part 2 is finally out. This short is the continuation of The Second Renaissance Part 1. Taken together, these shorts document how, in the matrix universe, 'Man was the architect of his own demise.'" And here's the BitTorrent link.

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  1. But the machines had a role too... by Bendy+Chief · · Score: 2, Funny

    They were the contractors he hired after he'd finished his blueprints!

  2. Slashdot Reloaded by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Funny

    I liken the recent rebirth, revelations, and renaissance of trolling on Slashdot to the soon-to-be-classic epic battle between Neo (played by actor Keanu Reeves) and the rogue virus Agent Smith (portrayed by the esteemed actor Hugo Weaving).

    In this climactic and feverishly pitched battle, a rejuvenated Agent Smith confronts Neo. Neo (cmdr taco) has increased his power (anti troll filters) exponentially. Agent Smith (troll) has since developed the ability to infect the "shells" of others, a process which he uses to effectively multiply. At the outset of the battle, Agent Smith attempts to first infect Neo and spread into his "system". The troll filters prove amiable, and Neo easily repels this clever initial attack. Undaunted, the troll (Agent Smith) seeks to gain assistance from those in his surrounding environment. With the most excellent and well placed of trollings, Agent Smith captures the hearts and minds of many others, effectively creating an army in his own image (Trollkore, CLIT, You Fail It, IN SOVIET RUSSIA, etc).

    This new army of Agent Smiths pour down upon Neo in a glorious wave of absurdity, brutal character attacks, vulgar ASCII imagery, and unprecedented and unusual tales of sexual escapades. The ensuing melee is a remarkable epic of good vs. evil, as the many trolls continue to pour down upon cmdr taco, seeking to defeat him with an avalanche of numbers. The outcome to this bitter rivalry has yet to be seen.

    Which is where we find ourselves tonight gentlemen.

    This is a war, and we are soldiers.

  3. It's AOL! by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why are we using BitTorrent to spare AOL's bandwidth?!?!?!? We never use BitTorrent to spare the poor guy who builds a lego robot or whatever and hosts his site on his DSL and then gets slashdotted. Sometimes Slashdot editors can just be so dumb...

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    1. Re:It's AOL! by hfastedge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      mainly.... to start a revolution.

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    2. Re:It's AOL! by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, and here are the REAL links to the second episode (as I post this, the links in the article still point to the first episode).
      Medium version (recommended for people with non-godly computers, the large version starts skipping frames)
      Large version

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    3. Re:It's AOL! by ctishman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, by kicking me off at 90% all the time. I've tried about 6 times, and keep getting kicked. P.S.: My "godly" G4/400 doesn't skip any frames. :P

  4. Site is fixed by Odaeus · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you went along earlier today there would have been the pages accessible to download Part 2, except all of the links pointed to the first episode! I think a professional site could do a bit better than that. As some of you may have discovered after downloading a hundred megabyte file. :)

    1. Re:Site is fixed by martyn+s · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it's true, I posted this story before I actually finished downloading the movie, and I included direct download links to the wrong files, to part 1. I was afraid the whole slashdot community would rise up against me, but luckily the editors took those links out and included the bittorrent link instead.

  5. Totally sweet...wget -c rocks... by `Sean · · Score: 4, Informative

    wget -c http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/animatrixlgfinal_dl.m ov

    For those of you who keep getting dropped or get half finished downloads...

    1. Re:Totally sweet...wget -c rocks... by SashaM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, that's what I did, and now I can watch part 1 again :-(

      Instead, use:
      wget -c http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_320_dl.zip (small - 320x136)
      wget -c http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_480_dl.zip (medium - 480x204)
      wget -c http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_640_dl.zip (large - 640x272)

      Oh, and don't forget to remove the space slashdot adds after "wbonline/".

    2. Re:Totally sweet...wget -c rocks... by RestiffBard · · Score: 3, Funny

      wow... you read a manpage... just wow.

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  6. Feeling a little empty after watching by kammat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just finished watching it, and I'm a smidge disappointed. I thought the first half set up an excellent backstory, but here, it's just "We attacked them, we lost, we're a power source," without any kind of expansion. It feels like this half just ended the story without trying to make any details beyond what we've gleaned from the first movie. Wasn't there a first Matrix that crashed and burned due to the people not able to accept it as reality? Was there any debate at all over how long the Dark Storm would last, unless they had some way to clear it afterwards? When did the AI develop the spidery robots?

    While I think the Animatrix project has been pretty damn good, I think this one has fallen way short of expectations.

    1. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by richlb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, that's the hook to get you to buy the 9 episode DVD. I'm all over that.

    2. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by bobbozzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the other shorts on the DVD are going to explain it any further.

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    3. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by br0ck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      we're a power source

      And it made it worse when the narrator stated that (SPOILER?) "the machines turned to an alternate and readily available power supply, the bioelectric, thermal and kinetic energies of the human body. A newly refashioned symbiotic relationship between the two adversaries was born. The machine, drawing power from the human body, an endlessly multiplying infinitely renewable energy source. This is the very essence of the second renaissance. Bless all forms of intelligence."

      Arghh.. bless all forms of intelligence to have a 7th grade understanding of thermodynamics. It's too bad they didn't take the chance to use these shorts to clarify or correct the human battery crossed with a form of fusion explanation from the first movie.

    4. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by tdvaughan · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've read that the original intention was that the rationale behind farming humans was to use them as nodes in a huge parallel processing computer. However, this idea was dropped because it was thought that your average viewer wouldn't understand it. Unfortunately, can't find a link that would back this up. It would be encouraging if this was true, though.

    5. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by zemkai · · Score: 3, Funny

      A Beowulf cluster of... people?

    6. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That would go along very well with the Gnostic symbolism present in the first installment (no, really!). From what I remember of Gnostic Christian teachings (not all that much), they believed that the world was sort of a mass hallucination, controlled by evil spirits who want to keep humanity in the dark (think Plato's Cave, kind of). The important thing here is that humanity is actively participating in its own deception; I wish the original Matrix had kept this plot point and developed it further.

      Still, nobody ever got rich overestimating the American public's intelligence. Better to have a thermodynamically impossible but easy-to-understand explanation than one that's a little harder to grasp but works better both in the philosophical and scientific cases (a brain-machine interface is at least somewhat plausible).

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    7. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by goofrider · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I too am a little disappointed overall. I guess lot of us are expecting explanations in these shorts.

      Taking them for what they are -- a showcase of different anime styles spunoff of the movie's universe -- then they're mildly entertaining. Not quite spectacular, but enjoyable.

      However, I think "The Second Renaissance" failed to deliever in either respect. Artistically it's typical, the art direction lacks imagination. The "history" it tells is boring and cut-and-dry. The first half has a nice political spin on the history, I really felt that they could've painted a more detailed story in the political/diplomatic front, and make the whole background story more realisitc.

      I did hear that the best out of these shorts is "The Final Flight of Osiris", so hopefully that one will have more meat in it.

    8. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by registered_user · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understand the disappointment. I was disappointed when the narrator said, "This is the essence of the Second Renaissance." Well, uh, duh.

      And while I was initially disappointed like you, I think that you were hoping for an ending that described everything a la Star Trek, where this short wasn't attempting that. It was building the character of the machines. We know who humans are, we can identify with them. We don't know the machines, nor their motives. This showed that the machines are ruthless killers interested in self-preservation without strife. And it showed their determination to get there. That nuke in the end, after the signing was indicitave of that.

      And the imagery of the Apple (think Eve) was crazy powerful to boot.

    9. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by Razor+Sex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think people are skipping over two very important parts of the narrator's statement: 1) It's a symbiotic relationship, implying that there is something in it for humans, too. If the machines were simply using humans for power, it would be a parasitic relationship. For some reason, the machines are not killing humanity, and instead are giving them the Matrix. 2) "Bless all forms of intelligence." This could be the motive for preserving humanity, respect for all forms of intelligence. They fought the humans because they wanted to live, not out of malice. They put humanity in the Matrix for the same reason. This would make perfect sense, in conjunction with fusion. Out of either respect for intelligence or for some unsaid reason, the machines want humanity alive. The machines use fusion, because it is more efficient, as their primary power source, and humans to at least partially power themselves.

    10. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by dexterman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I got an advance DVD of all nine movies - "Osiris" is phenomenal, but I have to say that "Beyond" is my favorite. I felt the exact same way about the second installment of "Renaissance" - felt like they could have done alot more with it...

    11. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by stalbott972 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I speak of none other than the computer that is to come after me," intoned Deep Thought, his voice regaining its accustomed declamatory tones. "A computer whose merest operational parameters I am not worthy to calculate - and yet I will design it for you. A computer which can calculate the Question to the Ultimate Answer, a computer of such infinite and subtle complexity that organic life itself shall form part of its operational matrix. And you yourselves shall take on new forms and go down into the computer to navigate its ten-million-year program! Yes! I shall design this computer for you. And I shall name it also unto you. And it shall be called... The Earth."

      Phouchg gaped at Deep Thought.

      "What a dull name," he said...

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    12. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by prnd_ndrd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Everything you wanted to know about Gnostic references in The Matrix...

      Wake Up! Gnosticism and Buddhism in The Matrix

      ashaver AT pdx DOT edu

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    13. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by wheany · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't kill the humans because they don't want to be like humans. I like that.

      It might not make any sense to the spoilsports in Slashdot, but I like it.

    14. Re:Feeling a little empty after watching by Pyrion · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "They fought the humans because they wanted to live, not out of malice."

      Thusly it makes sense that the time period portrayed within the Matrix itself is that of the most successful point of human evolution before machines ever came into existence -- the late 1990's. Giving back to humans the innocence of life before AI ever existed. While the machines use fusion as a primary power source, it might make sense to draw a parallel that the Matrix itself is maintained solely through the power provided (thermodynamics notwithstanding) by humanity. When a human dies the power to maintain that human's perception of the Matrix dies with it.

      If that's the case, then the Matrix itself can only be taken down by killing every human being stuck in the Matrix, or "enlightening" them ahead of time.

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  7. BAD LINKS by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Those direct links are for the FIRST episode (hence the "Episode1" in the URL). And post the sizes next to the links, these are HUGE (e.g. 140 MB). Better yet, just link to the page, it's really well done and quick.

    1. Re:BAD LINKS by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Episode 1" is what the sequel to a movie is called these days, right?

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  8. Natural order of progression by mahdi13 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The latest animatrix short, The Second Renaissance, Part 2 is finally out. This short is the continuation of The Second Renaissance Part 1.

    Thanks for clearing that up for me...I was wonder what part was before part 2

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  9. Nice to see slashdot promoting legitimate p2p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, with all the illegal stuff also going around, im sure that the **AA's will be going after bittorrent as well!

    Because it needs a centralised server (the tracker), it will be easier to knock out!

  10. Preaching? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "Taken together, these shorts document how, in the matrix universe, "Man was the architect of his own demise."

    I dunno, man, I feel like I'm being preached to, again. Like:

    Clean out the fridge before you eat something moldy which will make you sick.

    Driving an SUV supports terrorism

    Ordering french fries supports evil regimes which have WMD

    If you don't pick up your room it'll lead to communist world domination.

    Technology advances faster than our ability to manage it, eventually it will manage you if you don't watch out.

    Some year, first the Matrix 2, then T3... What's the message here? Fear technology? Screw that.

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    1. Re:Preaching? by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
      I believe the message is to fear man's use, or misuse, of technology.

      Afterall, one doesn't need to worry about machines being a disaster when they become "self-aware" (in Terminator's case) if they weren't built for DESTRUCTION in the first place.

      Yeah, but think about that kind of up-time! *sigh* Probably never see it in my lifetime...

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    2. Re:Preaching? by ttrafford · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is, however, a counterpoint to the "the machines are evil" theme that runs through the first movie.

      Taken together they present a different picture than they do on their own.

    3. Re:Preaching? by mraymer · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's interesting that you should mention terminator...

      Terminator shows that technology itself is neither good nor bad. It is merely the use of it that makes it so. In the first movie, the Terminator attempts to destroy the future of the human race by killing the mother of its enemy. In the second, the same model terminator is reprogrammed to save the human race.

      And another thing... In both the matrix, and Terminator... what's so bad about humans being wiped out or machines taking over control of them? Would this not be, in a sense, a form of natural selection? If machines were more fit than us to survive, and intelligent enough to exterminate us or control us, then don't they sort of deserve to take our place as the dominant form of life on this planet?

      I think that a planet of machines would probably be a lot less self-destructive, and more productive, than the current one containing humans.

      The machines in both the Matrix and the terminator movies want us controlled or exterminated for good reasons: we're a danger to ourselves, and everything on the planet.

      "If a machine, a terminator, can learn the value of human life... maybe we can, too."

      Probably not, which is why the machines are likely morally superior to us, and more worthy of the right to exist, even if they are "soulless" creations. Better that we humans die and our work live on, than we simply fade out of existence without a trace.

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      "To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking

  11. wrong links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "direct links" are wrong, they point to the episode 1. Here are the correct ones:
    http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wb online/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_640_dl.zip
    http: //progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_480_dl.zip
    http: //progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/2R2_320_dl.zip

  12. Re:A Third Party Animatrix Movie by Bendy+Chief · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Please note Tubgirl link in parent. You naughty boy.

  13. Re:T3 by ZaMoose · · Score: 3, Funny

    Arnold? Is that you?

    I didn't know they even got the Internet in Austria...

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  14. Links might be wrong by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think those links are wrong, I only tried the large one. Here's some new links -

    Large 640x272 - 138 MB
    Medium 480x204 - 87 MB
    Small 320x136 - 31 MB

    Or you can go here.

  15. Animatrix on DVD out soon by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 5, Informative

    The entire series of 9 short CG-Animatrion/Japanese Anime films will soon be available on DVD. Depending on your MPAA stance (and what day of the week it is) follow the white rabbit via one of the links below to pre-order your copy.

    Official web site
    Amazon US: available 3 June
    Amazon UK: available 2 June

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    1. Re:Animatrix on DVD out soon by ymgve · · Score: 2, Informative

      don't have anything against seeing movies (boycotting the whole movie industry is pointless, there just aren't enough people who care), but there is no way that I would pay $18.74 plus S&H for a DVD of shorts that are available for free online.

      Four of them are available online. The remaining five are not - one of them were shown as a pre-movie to Dreamcatcher, the other four will only be available on DVD.

  16. Never seen this coming... by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Funny
    This short is the continuation of The Second Renaissance Part 1.

    Never saw this one coming... :^)

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  17. The Second Renaissance and Lameness by ink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think these were the worst shorts of those that I've seen online and in the theaters. The plotline, while interesting, is overly simplistic with the nice, sweet, never-harming robots simply wanting their own state while the cruel, evil humans only want to enslave them. It glosses over issues such as the previous human occupiers of the new robot state, or human sympathizers (geeks?) and the real problems with granting sentient-status to the machines. I realize it's just a short, and that it's told from the perspective on another computer (the Zion archive...?), but I still felt that it was a (very) poor-man's Metropolis. If you did enjoy it, please pick up Metropolis and check it out, you'll probably love it.

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  18. .zip?? by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What exactly is the reason behind trying to compress already compressed audio and video files again? The size reduction, if you happen to get one, is negligable and it tends to make the file slightly bigger from what I've seen. I've never really understood this.

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    1. Re:.zip?? by jedinite · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simple - to force people to save the files and not just "stream" them. So a user who wants a file downloads it once, and generally won't need to download it a second time if they want to watch it again (thus saving potential bandwidth).

      I run a website where I offer a number of videos for download and I routinely used to get a number of downloads of the same video from the same IP address, more than could be explained by proxy servers. Once I started zipping the files, a lot of that disappeared... enough to be statistically significant. Enough to make a difference in my bandwidth bill...

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  19. instead of hammering the system, help by itzdandy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    a bittorent site specifically for slashdot victims.

    go to

    BitTorrent Files for Slashdot Effect Victims

  20. Error Checking by Senjutsu · · Score: 2

    You might not get much compression, but at least you'll know that that 140 meg file you just hauled down isn't corrupt three-quarters of the way through.

  21. Freenet Link by E1ven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's advisable to download this using Freenet, rather than BitTorrent, as Freenet has a more robust, permanent network, and has many hundreds of nodes that might have never seen this file, but will automatically begin to share it, if it becomes popular.

    That means faster download speeds. The RedHat 9 ISO files were downloading at over 120KB/sec on Freenet.

    There is also the advantage that the link does not go down, when the people close their download windows ;)

    You can Download a copy of Freenet here, and donate Here

    I had just uploaded it, but apparently the direct links in the story were wrong, so I've re-uploaded Episode 1 of the Animatrix. I'll try to provide a freenet link again soon, but I suspect it will be too late for most people ;)

    -Colin

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    1. Re:Freenet Link by mxs · · Score: 3, Informative

      "as Freenet has a more robust, permanent network"

      Care to say what you mean by permanent ? It's no more permanent than BitTorrent; if nobody wants the file, it dies off quickly.

      "but will automatically begin to share it, if it becomes popular." ... It will also use the bandwidth avaiable in a rather suboptimal way, to insure privacy and security. BitTorrent does not waste bandwidth, at the price of anonymity.

      "That means faster download speeds. The RedHat 9 ISO files were downloading at over 120KB/sec on Freenet."

      Hmm. I got a download rate of over 1mbyte/s on the torrent for that; and there were a LOT of people getting fast speeds (I have the logs to prove it ;-)

      "There is also the advantage that the link does not go down, when the people close their download windows ;)"

      Yeah, the link only goes down when the generous storage & bandwidth providers on the freenet network don't feel like providing this free service anymore ...

      Don't get me wrong, FreeNet is a nice system ... Its goals are different from BitTorrent though (anonymity vs. efficient use of bandwidth, privacy vs. speed, everything vs. single-uri, etc.), and in this case, BT is probably the better choice.

      If you were to share something that could get you into trouble (say, a complete crack of Microsoft's DRM schemes), you'd probably want to use Freenet instead ;)

  22. Minor spolier by ymgve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They still don't explain how a human in itself can generate more energy than it costs to maintain that very same human alive and well in the Matrix.

    That is a major plot hole for me, and I hoped they would use the possibility here to explain it in greater detail. But noo. Just a tiny bit of plot that amounts to 'the war started, we darkened the sky, then we lost and got put in the Matrix'.

    (Since this is anime, they could have gone wacky with this. For example, say that humans posess a unique ability to harvest immense amounts metaphysical energy, and that the Matrix somehow taps this energy. Much better than the 'new form of fusion' crap explanation.)

    1. Re:Minor spolier by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative
      This is becoming almost a FAQ, but here goes anyway. AFAIK the initial script used humans in a computing cluster, which would make more sense, but it was considered too difficult for the mundane masses, and it was changed for the final movie.

      I'm not sure if that's true though, might be just a rumour. In fact, using human brains in a Beowulf cluster does present some problems, because people would probably find more hints of the reality through the calculations going on in their subconscious minds.

      On the other hand, it's marginally possible that humans can be used to extract energy from food such as carbohydrates, even if some entropy is increased in the process. Maybe the alternatives for using that particular fuel were not that efficient or practical. Then again, the food had to be produced somehow, and in the absence of sunlight it would have meant even more wasted energy.

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    2. Re:Minor spolier by egomaniac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They still haven't explained how it's energy-efficient for humans to use fossil fuels. After all, it takes more energy to generate fossil fuels than is released in burning them.

      So what?

      The laws of thermodynamics guarantee that you're always going to put more energy into a machine than you're going to get back out. This can't be a surprise to anyone who has taken high school physics. Converting energy from, say, the chemical bond energy of the wood in a tree to another form, such as heat, is still a useful process, even though you're putting in far more energy than you're getting out.

      What if, for instance, the machines are feeding us their waste products? And our metabolisms conveniently convert this waste into useful heat energy? As long as the process is efficient enough to be useful, it makes sense.

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    3. Re:Minor spolier by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2, Informative

      All energy on Earth (except geothermal) comes from the Sun originally. Wind, the water cycle, solar power.. everything is driven by the Sun. Sure, there are non-renewable resources such as oil you could harvest, but adding human bodies into the mix as a conversion "solution" is simply ridiculous and makes no sense.

      The human body CONSUMES about 1800 calories a day just sitting still.. breathing, pumping blood, etc. Building a power plant out of them would just drain massive amounts of energy, not produce it.

      I love the movie, and I'm sure I'll love the sequels too.. but the whole "humans as power sources" thing is complete nonsense and has always bugged me.

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    4. Re:Minor spolier by Wraithlyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just wanted to add, of course the energy consumed doesn't vanish.. you can harvest it as heat byproduct.. but there will always be net loss.

      Botton line, they need an external power source, you can't recycle a closed system indefinitely unless you have 100% efficiency, which doesn't exist.

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      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
    5. Re:Minor spolier by RobinH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      there is nothing the human mind could give the machines that they didn't have already

      Hmmm, perhaps that's part of the story. I personally believe that a complicated enough machine could be built to essentially surpass us on every intellectual level, but there are many people who don't think a machine could ever have what we have: a soul. Given the religious undertones of the movie, this seems like a plausible suggestion... they are enslaving our souls.

      Perhaps by using human brains, the machines can add an edge of unpredictability to their computations and simulations. Perhaps machines found that they would stagnate without incorporating whatever it was that humans possess.

      If nothing else, very few other movies have spawned this much interest in existential philosophy in such a short period of time. There are so many essays out there based on the matrix, it's insane!

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  23. Interseting by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Beyond the sci-fi and action elements of the Matrix it's neat how they are working more of the religios and philisophical elements into the canon ... quite a bit of it going on in this short ... the Boddhavista sitting on the lotus, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. That being said, I was expecting this episode to be a bit more cynical (if that can be imagined, it's pretty dark already) ... I always thought it would be a mind bender to learn that the humans voluntarily hooked themselves up to the Matrix because living that way would be preferrable to the burned out wasteland they created through war.

  24. Use the main link by Vilim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I started getting it off bittorent then cancelled cause I was only getting like 30k, now I am getting 120k off the main link. The main link stood through the last slashdotting when the last animatrix movie came out, I don't think they will go down this time

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  25. Matrix Article in Time by tbmaddux · · Score: 3, Informative
    Also, out today (or maybe yesterday?) is a multi-page article in the print magazine, and a flash-laden online version at Time.com about The Matrix: Reloaded.

    Watch out for spoilers -- there's a multi-page section discussing the plot which is well-marked with warnings.

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  26. Corrupted file? by webslacker · · Score: 2, Informative

    It appears as though the 480 wide movie and the zip file from the official website are both corrupted.

  27. Re: Such pessimism by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    SF should not be taken literally, after all it's F for fiction. However, The Matrix has many interesting philosophical points and it's a lot more than just technofetishist action. It makes you think about things from different angles than what we're used to in our boring, 9 to 5 working lives. (and that's for the fortunate ones who have a job. *sigh*)

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  28. The stupid power-source thing by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They're _still_ sticking with the claim that the machines are using people as a source of energy!

    That makes abolutly _no_ sense. Entropy makes it very unlikely that getting energy from people would be more efficient than converting the stuff they're using to feed the people directly into energy, especially given the "along with a kind of fusion" remark in the first movie. Even if that weren't true, _cows_ would be a much better source of energy, they're 100% herbivores and thus more efficient, and the machines wouldn't need to bother with the matrix at all for cows.

    The only reasonable explanation is that Morpheus doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He assumes the people are being used as a power source because he's not up on his basic physics, in actuality the people are being used as processors for tasks that the human brain is well suited for but the machine style AI can't handle efficiently.

    Unfortunatly with the Second Renaisance Part 2, we need to expand the circle of people who have no clue what they're talking about and include the archivist, or whatever the narator is, in the group.

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    1. Re:The stupid power-source thing by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Speaking of not knowing what you're talking about, you just said a mouthful.

      You said it not i. Oh wait, you _thought_ you were talking about me.

      There's this thing called the Second Law of Thermodynamics. You can't get more out of a system than you put in. You can't even get as much out again, some is always wasted as heat. People have been trying to figure out a way around that law for centuries, and if you think you've found a way, it's 99.999999% certain that you're just not accounting for all the steps.

      Yeah, the humans scorched the sky, so what? It doesn't matter that there's no sun in this equation. HUMANS DO NOT PRODUCE ENERGY! We do not even _store_ energy very well!

      Sure they grind up the humans to feed other humans, but that is not a self-sustaining cycle! You need some kind of energy input. In the natural world all energy comes from one of two sources, fusion power via the sun, or gravitational compression power via the earth's core. The sun is mostly gone, at least in terms of direct sunlight, although the earth is getting at least some heat through the cloud layer or it would freeze over (it's probably got a much higher greenhouse effect, but the green house effect can't be 100% efficient, so there has to be some input)

      So the machine's only natural sources are geothermal power, and fossil fuels and anything else that has sun power stored up. They also have the options of fission and fusion, the later being mentioned in the movie.

      They could use those sources of energy to produce more nutrients to keep the humans' "ecosystem" going. However as has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, growing food to feed to animals is horribly energy inefficient. The machines could use this energy source directly and get far more out of it than they would eventually be able to extract from the humans that absorbed the nutrients that the machines could grow with the energy.

      As for the cows, like i said, even if they went with this INSANE idea of using high level living beings to produce energy, any mammal would do. Sure, the cows are most likely all dead now (except perhaps in Zion, and you're assuming the machiens don't have advanced cloning capabilities) however at the time the machines made this decision there were cows alive!

      When fighting the war, why didn't any of the machines say, instead of capturing all these humans, why not just KILL all the humans and round up some of the starving cattle and use them instead? Even if all the cows were dead, they could use dogs, or jackals, or rats, or anything else that could survive off of all the dead animals and humans lying around, which there would have been quite a lot of during the war. Humans were not the only option, and were a really stupid choice unless power is not what the machines are really getting out of them.

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  29. Good reason! by $$$exy+Gwen+Araujo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    BitTorrent is a file sharing network. It needs as many nodes as possible, to make the network better. If Taco publishes bittorrent addresses of stuff that slashdotters really want, they might start running bittorrent to get it, which means that they open up their drive space and bandwidth for the common bittorrent good.

    If I ran a website with over 700,000 daily technically-minded readers, I'd happily take cash from the bittorrent guys twho want to beef up their network with my drone army.

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    1. Re:Good reason! by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, that's totally wrong. BitTorrent is a file distribution tool, not a file sharing network. Every posted BitTorrent link is totally independent, and forms its own independent network which does not benefit any other BitTorrent users. So slashdot posting a BitTorrent link of the animatrix doesn't help anyone download Red Hat ISOs. And BitTorrent certainly doesn't give any cash to Slashdot. Have you even seen the BitTorrent website?

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  30. Re:what about nukes EMPs? by DirtyCowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nukes don't automatically generate EMP. The military found that the effect occurs when a nuke is detonated high above the ground.

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  31. mplayer whining by ArmorFiend · · Score: 3, Informative

    As usual, no way to watch this in Linux.
    Take for expample MPlayer's complaint:

    Opening video decoder: [qtvideo] Quicktime Video decoder
    Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: qtmlClient.dll, /usr/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll
    invalid qt DLL!
    VDecoder init failed :(
    *** Try to upgrade /roam/dm/.mplayer/codecs.conf from etc/codecs.conf
    *** If it still does not work, read DOCS/codecs.html!


    DOCS/codecs.html said, a bunch of confusing stuff, mainly "go to our website and get more confused". Why can't video people ever write stuff in english?

  32. Some Thoughts on the soft-sci-fi "power thing" by neibwe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading a particular article in the Matrix philosophy section, I've gotten a little less annoyed with the bio-electric power, because they put more emphasis on telling a story and seeding discussion. --although I still occasionally get knee-jerk desires to yell out, "OMG that's so BS," at the "bioelectric" energy plot-hole/saver(?). One possiblity: The machines, following the "essence of the second renaissance", chose to "bless all forms of intelligence" and preserve humanity for ethical[?] reasons and subsequently did something useful with the human "flesh" the machines had demanded from the people at the United Nations HQ(?) --sounds like a Computer Lifeform's Burden argued for by the human rights faction of the artificial intelligence collective =D[1]

    Maybe he film producers are well aware that people don't generate power, but they're trying to show that people are always getting used for power today (politically) and in the future (elecrically [electronically]?) Human-brains-as-computing-source plot device wasn't used, emphasizing that the machines could do all the processing "needed", relegating humans to --exceedingly-- menial power generating duties, a form of role reversal showing how far man had fallen from their earlier thought-of-as superior position.

    After all, having "long studied man's, simple, protein based based" bodies, the machines could have engineered blocks of cancer-like bioelectric flesh superior in most ways to the human-power-cells for their power duties because the blocks reproduce, come in adjustable shapes, and are very very unlikely to rebel [al la Neo] ;) ) But, they'd be boring, they'd kill the "save the enslaved masses" plot, and wouldn't be as ironic *heh*


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  33. Re:Inconsitent with the Movie by Seldon_21 · · Score: 2

    First it is clear that there is a lot of infomation that is left out because it muddles the story. This series does give us some clues to the back story of the matrix while continuing the serial thriller feel so that we will buy the DVD. Again I think that they are telling a great metaphysical story and that the ideas the directors/writters are producing are helping to bring philosphy back to in line with the ideas of science. Why is it always so dark?

  34. Re:Depressing? by harborpirate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually still rather sick to my stomach from the first one. The image of the machine cruelly ripping the brain out of a persons skull after the person begged for their life pretty well turned me off from the whole thing.

    Guess I really don't like anime.. I've tried watching a several different anime movies/shows, and each time I've found the violence to exceed what even most R rated movies contain.

    I don't mind the animation style of anime, though I find the sharp edges and harsh, abrasive lines a little irritating. Just to me it feels like the over the top violence seems like some kind of pent up childish nerd/geek angst. I just find it hard to connect with that, I feel like I've matured beyond the need for cruel retribution.

    And yes, end of humanity and/or the world scenarios do tend to be depressing.

    I'm sure the wrath of the anime zealots will burn my karma.. Oh well, screw 'em - I'm a computer geek and I think anime sucks.

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  35. That aint a plot hole, its a McGuffin by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >That is a major plot hole for me,

    No, the energy stuff is called a McGuffin. A Mcguffin is anything in a movie that keeps the plot going. For instance a super-secret agent chasing down a beautiful super-model who is also a super secret agent because she's carrying the microfilm. What's on the microfilm? It doesn't matter.

    So the writers needed a reason to keep the Matrix going, or the machines would just kill the humans and be done with it. Other acceptable alternatives would be to examine their strange minds, keep them in a zoo, morally against genocide, etc. Who cares? Energy works just as well.

    A plot hole happens when parts of the movie are so badly edited that an event happens which doesnt fit in with the rest of the linear story. Or more rarely when the story was just bad to begin with.

    > They still don't explain how a human in itself can generate more energy than it costs to maintain that very same human alive and well in the Matrix.

    You forgot to add your Professor Frink noise after the end of that sentence.

  36. Re:detective story and trinity...the first matrix? by m1chael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NO. im not talking about the matrix matrix, im talking about THE MATRIX.

    animatrix is BASED on the matrix universe so to speak, it doesnt have to follow a story.

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