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Jazilla Milestone 1 Released
mcbridematt writes "Many of the long time Slashdot readers will remember the Jazilla project to rewrite the Mozilla browser in Java. It went into hibernation in 2000 and I took it over last August. I have completely rewrote the browser which now follows a more Mozilla-like architecture. The Result: Jazilla Milestone 1 has been released. Download it from here. No prizes for guessing that it's Alpha software." Read on below for a list of what Jazilla can do, so far.
"Significant (implemented) features include:
- chrome:// support
- JavaScript implemented for the GUI thanks to the Mozilla.org Rhino engine. HTML Scripting coming.
- GUI in part, uses XUL and W3C DOM
- Written in 100% Java
- Open Source
- Uses the NetBrowser renderer, which is actually based on Jazilla-classic work."
Once you expand and extract this puppy, just cd into the folder it made and, assuming Java is properly installed on your machine, you need only run:
Good luck, and enjoy! The browser's still lacking in many obvious areas, but it does work on a lot of sites. Too cool -- props for all the hard wo\ rk. :-)
mozilla is slow
java is slow
jazilla is slow^2
useless.
That someone would waste so much time ons omething like this. Good work!
I used to dislike Java, but now I'm a convert. Virtual machines are so obviously cool... I need to download this and give it a spin.
The question had to be asked
Other than being Java-based, what's the point of this web browser?
Until now, that is. While helping my 16-year-old son (also an avid Slashdot reader) do research for a term paper on technology and journalism, I stumbled across some information that made me change my views about Slashdot completely. In a nutshell: Slashdot, and more accurately, its parent company VA Software, has deep and mutually influential ties to the Microsoft Corporation. In fact, Slashdot's own editors are paid (albeit indirectly) out of the coffers of Microsoft.
Yes. It's hard to believe. At first I couldn't believe it. But a few simple Google searches and 45 minutes' research on Lexis-Nexis (as well as a couple of phone calls to a friend of mine at the SEC) revealed the following:
At first I was more amused than shocked; I mean, the technology industry is notoriously incestuous and its leaders, even those who are in competition, often sit on the same boards and are members of the same organizations. So what if a few board members of Slashdot's parent company are also directors of a company funded by Microsoft? Well, it gets more interesting.
As it turns out, in May of 1999, VA Software submitted to the SEC Form 5506-D, Application for Direct Non-Ownership Subsidization. This is the form that a corporation will submit to the SEC when it wants to directly fund a subsidiary from its own parent corporation. (It's basically a tax shelter for companies with a lot of subsidiaries) The application was approved in July 1999. The applicant name? OSDN. In other words, Form 5506-D basically eliminated the middleman between OSDN and Murberry-Slocomb. Following the money, I now saw that OSDN was being funded directly from an infusion of captal that Murberry-Slocomb has received from Microsoft!
Weird. I know. But what does this all mean? Honestly I have no idea. I'm not the custodian of any privileged information. A look at VA Software's web site and a Google search is all anyone needs to find the same information that I found. Are Slashdot's staff being paid through Microsoft? I sincerely hope not. But the facts are there and it sure looks like it. More importantly, what does this mean for the future of Slashdot? Can any grain of objectivity or journalistic ethics be preserved? What happens when the company you are bashing, nay, the very company that you preach the loudest against, Microsoft, is the same company that signs your paycheck? Could there be a deeper link still? Who knows. As far as I'm concerned, I'll never look at Slashdot the same way, ever again.
Does the browser call a new java runtime layer, so it's a java layer running a web browser running a java layer, or does the original java layer detect the attempt to run Java and intercept to run it itself?
What happens if I run the java web browser in a web browser?
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I think Mozilla is slow enough, thank you.
Phoenix/Firebird is nice, but come on.
dont get me wrong i think its an interresting project but why write in Java a software that is already available on a huge variety of platforms (its mainly the advantage of writing java apps).
also Mozilla is lacking a bit of speed im sure you wont help in java.....
Overuse of the Pumping Lemma causes blindness
It seems to not work with OS X using instructions above, perhaps something else has to be done.
Modular Redundancy--Because 4 out of 5 Nodes agree
I'm waiting for fuckzilla, written in brainfuck!
Combine the speed and java with the speed of Mozilla.... I bet you can reboot into windows, run IE, and get 3 first posts before Jazilla starts up.
Does it have support for Java applets, or do you need to install the Java plugin to have applets? :P
What time is it/will be over there? Check with my iPhone app!
Now that Mozilla is about as fast as IE, the open source community has found a way to make it as slow as the 0.8 days. Thanks, guys! This is a huge win, and may turn the tide in the browser wars!
any idea why anybody would want or need to use that?
mozilla runs on at least as many platforms as any JRE, and many more if you expect swing to work properly.
i don't get it.
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Just plain question - what is intended usage of it?
I wonder whether the RHUG people will be able to build Jazilla using gcj and so create a native binary package. Then we could see whether it is faster or slower than Mozilla.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
It's worse than netscape 0.9! The only site that it can actaully load is http://www.goatse.cx, and even then it dosen't do it properly
Before you mod this down, run it and see it for yourself.
I may be being a little harsh here but what exactly is the point in this?
Java's redeeming feature is that it is a cross platform environment. Which is all well and lovely.
Everything else about Java is horrible, like speed issues etc.
This project is to "make a mozilla clone in java". So by doing this you'd assume they'd be making mozilla cross platform (because that's the only logical reason for using java)... But Mozilla is already cross platform!!! Any platform it doesn't support you shouldn't be using for browsing the web with!
And anyways, you still need java to be installed to run it... Install java for a crappy browser or install Mozilla? I know which I'd prefer to do.
Jezz
I want a TurdZilla or FecalZilla browser that's all brown and makes fart sounds when you click on things. The whole browser window would be unique, a window hewn from a turd image instead of the usual boring generic window of regular browsers. That's right, the border of the windows would be rounded in chunks to make up the whole window which is a huge turd. Joystick feedback would be added for each very loud fart which would make the joystick shake so hard you'd drop your pants and start pooping yourself only to discover it was only the browser!
It would be open source of course, and it would be nice.
Any programmers interested?
i have downloaded your browser. loaded it in blackdown 1.4.1. typed in "http://slashdot.org/" at the address bar.. what should i see:
black screen, with OSDN in top left corner
Oh well, interesting project (i guess) - try harder
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There's only one thing i wanna know: Why... Oh why, for god's sake.
we discovered a new way to think.
I guess this means I can run a web browser in a web browser now. :)
Jizilla
Their homepage claims xhtml 1.0 strict complicance.. yet consulting validator.w3.org ...
This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!
see for yourself
Any pedant points going around?
Since half the comments so far seem to be "What is the point" I'll offer one justification.
There is still a serious lack of a good modern HTML browser for embeding in java applications. Swing provides an EditorKit which handles HTML3 reasonable well, but most of the other quality offerings are non free.
Major Java IDEs (Eclipse, NetBeans) have projects to implement something like this. Many other Java applications could potentially benefit. It's a good idea.
The Java-based browser concept worked really well for Sun Microsystems' HotJava browser so I believe Jazilla will be a phenomenal success as well. Go Jazilla team!
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - java browser Jazilla was found dead in at his sourceforge page this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to anti open source trolls. Truly an browser icon.
You know, instead of wasting your time creating this, you could have done more positive things for Lunix.
Improve on other projects that are far more worth-while than your own piece of shit.
Amaya is written in C. Perhaps you were thinking of Sun's HotJava?
Chu vi parolas Vikipedion?
Case in point: Why not make one or two *good* window managers instead of 30 shitty ones?
might be old version
I mean they do have libpr0n :)
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Works and looks great for me screenshot.
Doesn't take care of CSS, but hey I like to have another choice. Rigth?!
I was using the same command to start it:
java org/jxul/xulrunner/Main &
>> Had I been going to bed earlier every night? Have I been sleeping later? Has Tyler been in charge longer and l
But wouldn't the second and third be second and third posts?
This means that when you go to the store to buy an application, you don't buy the "Mac version" or the "Microsoft Windows version." You buy the "Java technology version." And as long as you have the Java Virtual Machine--which is free, and available from a large number of vendors--you can buy the program without having to worry whether it's going to run on your particular computer.
Java is too damn slow and bloated to be good for anything.
I think this might be a really cool idea if someone could do something like this. Say for example someone is in a really restrictive corporate or government environment which only allows HTTP and HTTPS out, and no SSH or anything like that. Now say for example you have Webmin installed on your home computer set to port 443. You use your work web browser to view your home's Webmin server inside SSL, and then if Jazilla were made into an applet and put inside a Webmin module that sends all of its information through the Webmin SSL encrypted connection, similar to the way Shell-in-a-Box does, one could use a really nice browser to surf in complete privacy.
Well, it's just a thought anyway.
next... a browser made entirely of toenail clippings!
- C++ Troll
I tried it, suprisingly alot faster than I thought it would be. Granted there is many missing features that may add more bloat later, but this thing looks like it will have great potential for embedded devices.
Hmmm..think It's about time to start up "funzilla", a mozilla browser ported to a functional language like Concurrent ML. Who's with me?
"Recursive bipartite matching"- try it!
masochism?
- C++ Troll
Actually I am looign forward to trying this browser out..
given the nice way aps such as LimeWire run and that you rarely notice that they are running under java.. this may also be agood prove of that as well.
Now if we coul donly free java from the cluches of Mordor(SUN)....
Don't Tread on OpenSource
its useless, get over it.
Imagine this uncommon but very possible setup.
You are working on a weekend all by yourself, you get the average of one phone call every 3 hours and nobody EVER comes into the office on weekends but you, the poor tech support guy.
You work for a small company that uses a Netware 5 file server for the firewall. (Remember, Netware 5 is Java based)
You don't have admin access.
The server doesn't have the console locked.
The server IS the firewall, and therefore can be outside of it.
You REALLY want to get your dose of porn, which the firewall wont let you do.
The firewall is unlocked........
Yep, time to load up a JAVA browser on the file server for your own porn surfing pleasure.
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there will be no problems getting the java plugin to work...right?
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
How many crappy mozilla spinoffs must there be?
Fucking A man. Everyday on slashdot some new band of butt-baccaneers is forging ahead with yet another pointless mozilla code base related peice of donkey droppings.
Ok mozilla accounts for about what? 2% maybe 3% of all browser usage? And that's being generous. Why fork off and make some more pointless busshit with the mozilla code that will 500 users and never reallt stabilize?
Are these guys just desperate for a job? They figure hmmm, work on mozilla, maybe AOL will hire me! Oooh do it and java and maybe Sun could hire me if AOL doesn't!
Why ? I can only guess this guy or group wants some KUDOS . So I give you some props. Good job. But i wont be using it since Firebird runs fine . Maybe could be used for Cellphones or embedded ?
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.84 secs per tx but still)
http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno
It's a virtualised machine that runs hosted on Windows, Lunix & FreeBSD (& maybe others) and also runs native on some hardware (such as my IPAQ)
It has some really neat features, many borrowed from plan9.
Version 3 and below is not totally open (the source is $100).
The next version is considering making changes (see http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/4thedoverview.ht
Even if you never downlaod it, it's still worth reading the documentation.
Inferno follows the concept that threads are cheap (as an experiment someone recently had 90,000 concurrent threads passing a message from one to the other (admitedly it took
You'll wonder why anybody uses Java at all.
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Wow...PL/1. Brings me back to my college days at MIT, studying PL/1, FORTRAN, and LISP(!), and playing Zork on the old PDP machines in the AI labs.
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan
I guess there's probably no option to turn off Java support.
"You'll wonder why anybody uses Java at all."
Yes I sometimes wonder.
but i am waiting for the Jizzilla fork.
Troll signs (à la "worm signs" in Dune):
- dogmatic offensive pseudotruths (1st line);
- meaningless insult, liberally sprinkled with swear words (2nd line);
- main troll bait, hoping that mozilla users will feed him (3rd line);
- deadbrain conclusion (4th line).
Leave him alone and do not feed him, please.
I believe that if people want to experiment, they should.
Thufir Hawat
Part-time Mentat
. But i wont be using it since Firebird runs fine
It can't hurt to have a web browser besides you database.
I thought the thing was that people shouldn't buy software. The whole FSF theory is programmers need to live in their parents basement and write code for free. It's only moral to charge the people that can't figure out how to download, build, install, configure, troubleshoot , etc. You also aren't allowed to charge enough to make a living or help people that aren't truely worthly, like WebTV users.
Why do we care? I can think of several reasons why we wouldn't.
1) anything that is capable of running a browser that weighs in like mozilla (or IE, opera, etc) already can run mozilla natively.
2) Java will always be slower than a native, non-interpreted language, even if you compile it into a binary.
3) When mozilla is at 1.4 (or so), and this is just on the first alpha, what practicality is there in duplicating efforts to create the exact same thing, when there's such a gap between the two efforts? It's like making cement from diamond dust - sure, but why, when lime is better for the job all around, and outperforms to boot?
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
Java is not only a language for writing pretty
applets (which aren't the same as full applications
which run from the CLI) or just for platform independence. It is a language which has many good security features, makes coding things such as networking much easier, has a vast amount of existing code and is a language which is just generally safer to program in and more object-oriented. If there weren't other benefits to coding Java programs, why would compilers such as GCJ exist for compiling Java programs to native code? Also, the speed problems with Java are now far less as compiling on demand becomes more common in Java runtimes. Whereas a C program can cause a segfault in about five lines, major problems with Java are more likely to be due to the runtime, which can even be eliminated. Also, there is no reason that just because Mozilla is slow (mainly because the code has to do a lot of layering to make the platform-independence work) doesn't mean that a port has to be -- a port would take substantial work and even though the ideas are the same, the finished product won't include the same code and so doesn't have to be as slow!!!
That's why it's called alpha. .BILL-GATES..er..I mean MONO is pre-alpha.
You know, the way
Anyway, you ain't the real Miguel, you's just a troll..
Does anybody know if there isn't already a database name JFirebird??? Cause if nobody bothered to check it out,I should say there's another lawsuit coming pretty soon....;o)
1. No sig. 2. ???? 3. Profit!!!
Is anyone here familiar with the MPL enough to give a run-down on how well this will play with Java? Given the fact that Java and the classlibs (as far as I know) are closed-source, does the MPL have any GPL-like clauses about linking to closed-source libraries?
While I'm at it, would it be possible for Sun to contribute a few engineers and integrate this into the Java class libraries? The current HTML component...well...it renders links, I guess, but it would be *great* to have a more capable rendering library.
OK, could someone explain to me why using XUL to implement the GUI isn't just a way of adding a useless extra layer of bloat? It seems like it provides you flexibility, but honestly I can't think of why I'd want the flexibility to run a browser within a browser. I just want to browse web pages, and that's all. It seems like web browsers lost sight of that as a goal long ago...
What's needed in this world isn't another clone of *zilla written in the language du jour. The problem with anything written with the Mozilla (or Gecko engine) is speed: Why should it take more than a few fractions of a second to render HTML?
/. and Yahoo just fine.
And yes, it's been done already: Dillo is a blindingly-fast HTML engine/browser that runs from a binary less than 300Kb. No, it doesn't support frames, nor Javascript, nor any of the other kitchen-sink items all other browsers strive to be. Instead, Dillo sports a plug-in interface (open-source, naturally) that allows for all of this to happen, if the user wants it to happen.
So here's my suggestion: Take a cue from Dillo and go for speed, not for bloat.
Oh, and I should add that Dillo renders
It sucks. Next!!!
Maybe I want to write an application in Java that has a more dynamic user interface. Swing makes things like this hard. What if you could make a great GUI in seconds in Java using dynamically generated XUL with call outs to Java instead of broken impared JS.
o neEditor", XUL.TEXT);
:) I'm impressed with the speed. Maybe it will send some of those idiot trolls about Java being slow back to the drawing board so they can complain about something else for a while when it gets done.
I'm all for duct taping a rendering engine on the front of real Java just because I don't like to deal with any of the popular layout managers for swing. Ideally, I would have my own Java widgets (because swing gets extendible widgets right like no other GUI API anywhere) that were rendered in a sane fasion (plus the native XUL widgets for when you don't need to extend them).
Swing layout is one of the reasons Java GUIs seam to be broken. If you resize a window, you get a lot of grey boxes. Sure, Mozilla could use some double buffering on their resizing, but it doesn't leave me with a gray screen instead of seeing how the components will look after resizing.
It would be even better if you could extend the XUL language in some manner with custom widgets.
For example:
XUL.registerComponent(MyPhoneEditor,"ph
These are all the more reasons why we need a good renderer in Java.
On a side note:
Anyone notice that with Java 1.4.2, jazilla starts faster than mozilla? A little over a second for me. It just won't render any web-site properly
Karma Clown
that would be sweet we could have Jazilla but writen in a language that is much faster!
The noun is 'half'; the verb is 'halve'.
I can see the desire to have a 100% Java browser (see it, not understand it), but why copy Mozilla? Or more accurately, why copy the much less vital parts of Mozilla? Why XUL? Why not Gecko?
:)
I'm asking, not trolling.
AC because I forgot my password
what the fuck do you know?
Seriosuly. Today most of people (at least what I can see in North America) have already got home office desktop PCs power enough to run most of applications they need. Typically it's 500Mhz - 1GHz CPU with 256-512 MB RAM (Geeks! your super PCs are not in count here as you are a minority of the PC user base!). But for PC vendors it's obsolete - they want to sell more and more power PCs in order to sqeez more and more money from users. So, how to force customers to upgrade?
There several answers: CPU-expensive UI candies of win2k and XP, XML with SOAP (read .Net) where it's not needed, and of course Java.
First Java has been expanded on the server market, where M$ is weak. It's very well known: most of Java based server installations do what was easy to program and cheap to run using Apache/CGI/PHP/Perl/Python. Now they try again desktop applications. They have failed with SWING plugins: Macromedia Flash is way lighter. And they didn't have any chances unless users realized that Windows is not the only liable platform. So, here are coming again: Java based GUI-monsters.
Less is more !
So who is going to port this to SWT? I really need a browser written in a cross-platform language that depends on platform-specific libraries.
Hmm, I had already forgotten that there was a database with the same name.
Someone is wrong on the Internet!
The stock layout managers suck ass, but there are better ones out there. If you're doing GUIs in Swing, check out TableLayout, HIGLayout, FlexGridLayout. These are all free and Free. There are probably other ones out there too.
I've been using TableLayout and although there are some little things I don't like about it, it does let me code Swing GUIs without the pain associated with the stock layout managers. Haven't tried the other two yet but they look interesting.
I'm not understanding - how can this be Mozilla or even a Mozilla-clone, if it's not using the Gecko renderer? I mean, kudos and all for doing it, but Gecko is the key to Mozilla. Everything else is eye-candy.
To celebrate the occasion of my 1000th post, I will post no more forever on Slashdot. Goodbye.
Given the Zaurus's Java Suport with some mods this would be a great application for it.
In fact I am posting this from Dillo.
Links 2 is rather impressive as well, in that is handles Javascript now, and runs under DirectFB.
My system is a P166 laptop w/ 80MB of RAM. This is low-end by today's standards, and it will run Mozilla, but for 90% of my browsing Dillo is more than adequate.
It may be true that people now have much faster machines, but there is just no excuse, for, say, the performance of Mozilla with text-boxes and the Mail composer.
It is just unbelievably slow, not really slow, not goddamn slow, but really, truly, unbelievably slow.
How do you spend so many years writing an app and end up with performance like this?
I totally agree and think that Dillo has a bright future, If it runs this well on a P166 I am quite keen to use it when I get something faster.
You might also want to check out Links 2, it does graphics, and Javascript now, and runs under DirectFB too which is kind of neat..
Is the next step to rewrite Mozilla in .NET?
"...I have completely rewrote..."
???
How about "I have completely rewritten," or more concisely "I rewrote."
At least he's got a compiler to catch his syntactic code errors.
considere la mala licencia con KDE
todos sus tableros del escritorio son ahora pertenecen a mí
amor, paz, esperanza, muelle
Saludos
miguel
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What we really need is for Mozilla to be bundled into Java! Think about it... Mozilla binaries already exist for all of major platforms on which Java runs. All that's needed is a Java wrapper for it and presto, reliable, native-optimized browsing (and more) anywhere you've got a JVM.
It is fast and is designed to run on constrained devices. Channing
You are missing the point. Java programs waste these resources with nothing to show for it.
Your point about GUIs is a little dumb, so I'll just say: Yes, I would run nothing but hand-optimized assembly language programs if they were available and were in all other aspects indistinguishable from other programs. Can you give me a good reason why I shouldn't?
Java seems like a step backwards in all areas except portability.
Its a very interesting idea, I will admit. But, it would be much better written in a language like Lisp, OCaml or alot of cooler (and muuuuccch faster) functional languages, if the coder wants to spend enormous amounts of their free time.
That way it won't be slower than Mozilla already is. Java has improved speed-wise but I just don't think it will ever get past the problems with a vm. Aside from that (compiled languages, yes including C++) and also reincarnations of ml and lisp will be much faster and does everything much better than java does. True, it won't be as portable as java, but probably much easier to maintain, [in a functional language] and much faster.
I don't mean to troll here, but really Java far gets more credit than it deserves. Yes, its improving, but Processing power is a terrible thing to waste.
SourceForge's download counters claim that Jazilla M1 has been downloaded zero times. Looks like either no-one's actually bothered to download the thing at all, or the mighty SourceForge has failed us. Ho hum...
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I wonder if you could run Jazilla as an applet inside a web browser?
Sure beats running Internet Explorer.
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This will be very useful for any client side Java projects that need a browser component. Unfortunately it looks like it needs a lot of work. It's pretty sad when every website I tried didn't even come close to rendering properly. I'll look forward to future releases however.
I wrote a java web browser in about 3 weeks of classtime back in high school that rendered html as good as that does, at least on the sites I checked (google.com and mozilla.org).
Not to sound like I'm complaining. It's free afterall. And it's nice to see they haven't abandoned the project.
1. bz2? Please, use a halfway normal archive format (.zip or .tar.Z or .tar.gz)
2. make? Why are you using this old fossil? I and every other java programmer I know uses ant.
Can it run java applets? Because phoenix won't for me.
It appears not to support scrolling. And the /. layout is completly messed up. Cool idea for embedded stuff, though. i'll still stick with phoenix for now.
Here's further proof that Java is best suited for applets and all attempts to kludge it into a general purpose tool for developing applications is appealing to academics, introverts and the type of people who like to compile all the software that they use. Command Line arguments?! Double-click on the Mozilla icon, for God's sake!
Calling a BBS a "database" seems like overstatement to me.
Programming can be fun again. Film at 11.
Security features? Most of the "security" features in Java are aimed at permitting more than one trust boundary in a single address space. This is a poorly understood problem that Java doesn't actually solve. But even if it did, a stack security system is much more complex and difficult to configure than Unix setuid(2) and therefore even less likey to be used properly in practice. Furthermore, putting different programs in separate address spaces has advantages for robustness.
As for the rest (mainly array bounds checking and garbage collection), equivalent or better alternatives are available in C. Better still, they can be used only where they're needed. Check out Apache resource pools and the glib object system for some examples. Obviously C++ has even more of these toys. And if we don't restrict our choices to these three there are hundreds of interpreted languages with equivalent or better features. Lisp comes to mind...
I find that I'm far more productive in Java than I ever was in C++ and C. I find that's even truer for less experienced programmers.Exactly the problem. A rigid system like Java is indeed wonderful if the goal is to allow mediocre programmers to create mediocre applications. Cobol had the same sort of appeal in its day. There's nothing wrong with that, but those who aim for excellence don't need to be pampered. All those fluffy features just get in the way.
Real hackers do it without a net. ;-)
Not all those who wander are lost.
Well, sort of.
It does load quite fast with or with out X11, and in both case, the text rendering is as smooth as Safari.
However, the GUI needs a lot of work - it doesn't even have a backward or forward button! Most sites (apple.com, hp.com, cnn.com, yahoo.com) don't load at all. Only ibm.com and news.com display some sort of contents.
In short, a long long way to go.
The speed of java, the speed of Mozilla and running it with the speed of OS X????
;-)
It does work dude, you just won't see any results until next week...
Not just while it was being developer. JavaScript was called LiveScript in the initial releases of Netscape. It was changed to JavaScript when Java started becoming the "hot" technology.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Dude, Sun didn't hire that goat. He lives in your closet.