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Novak Loses petswarehouse.com, Files For Bankruptcy

An anonymous reader writes "Remember Robert Novak, the person who has filed several frivolous lawsuits in order to silence people who criticize his business. Well, Robert Novak has lost his domain (see here)in a countersuit filed against him, and has just filed for bankruptcy ."

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  1. I have one word for him... by greg987123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mwuhahahahahahahahah!

    1. Re:I have one word for him... by Blkdeath · · Score: 4, Funny
      And as a follow-up;

      Petswarehouse.com sucks!

      Come sue me, biznatch!

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  2. Heh by Cipster · · Score: 5, Funny

    Karma's a bitch huh?

    1. Re:Heh by greg987123 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it is.
      Oh, you mean not just on Slashdot?
      oops.

    2. Re:Heh by JudgeFurious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Thinking about things like this keep me warm at night. Every once in a while I get to read about someone getting exactly what they deserve. Yum.

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    3. Re:Heh by critter_hunter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm under the impression that this isn't the first time he files for bankruptcy. I'm also under the impression that he doesn't care about his business, and that he'll find a way to sue some more people next week

      What I'd like to know is: does he manage to profit from it? I'm not very knowledgeable of bankruptcy law, but is there a way he could be trading money for a bad credit history, in a way? Because if he manages and cares to do it again and again, he's probably not losing everything every time. Or maybe he's just hoping he'll get lucky?

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    4. Re:Heh by darthwader · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What I'd like to know is: does he manage to profit from it?

      It's actually not that hard. All you do is not own anything. Make sure that all your assets are actually owned by someone you trust (your SO, spouse, sibling, etc.). Then, you declare bankruptcy, and let the courts take everything you own (which is nothing).

      Also, you live hand-to-mouth. When the money is rolling in, you buy expensive cars, live well, and lavish gifts on all people who are close to you. You don't save it, 'cause you know that the courts are going to take away your savings later. When the money stops rolling in, then you depend on your friends, SO, siblings for a while, as you dream up a new scam (business).

      Basically, once you've accepted the fact that you aren't going to have good credit, then there is no fear of declaring bankruptcy.

      For a certain kind of businessman, declaring bankruptcy is sort of like a fisherman deciding "All the fish here have been harvested, so it's time to pull up anchor and go somewhere else." In their minds, there's nothing immoral or embarrassing about it, it's just how they put food on the table.
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    5. Re:Heh by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Bankruptcy: IANAL, but it's my understanding that bankruptcy protection from creditors can only be granted every 7 (IIRC) years, at the discretion of a judge. Someone regularly filing for bankruptcy to profit or whenever they feel like it isn't any kind of guarantee.

      The real question is how well has he protected his assets. F'rinstance, if his home were included in business assets he stands to lose it. Possibly any pending income from suing petsforum people could be transfered to creditors, too.

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    6. Re:Heh by the+gnat · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, it's been a miserable weekend hacking away at web pages and watching the last of my creativity shrivel up as I'm forced to apply myself to yet another bullshit project in order to pay the rent, but news like this still gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Thanks, Slashdot. You've just replaced Jack Daniels and Xanax.

    7. Re:Heh by Wavicle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep in mind that it isn't he whose filed for bankruptcy, it's his company.

      From the web site:

      On June 2, 3003 Robert Novak d/b/ Pets Warehouse and d/b/a petswarehouse.com filed for bankruptcy in the E.D.N.Y.

      He is his company.

      His personal credit won't be harmed, only the corporation's would.

      I suspect his personal credit will be greatly harmed.

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    8. Re:Heh by Wavicle · · Score: 2, Informative

      As a single individual running a company, it is often times advantageous to be a sole proprietor instead of incorporating. For instance you don't get double-taxed and there are no legally mandated filings or shareholder meetings. The down side, of course, is liability. Novak was rather foolish not to get liability insurance, and that is why i think he is bankrupt.

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    9. Re:Heh by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The downside to being a sole proprietor is that you DO get double-taxed because you are self-employed. When you incorporate typically, you've also got that double-taxation. For individuals, it's perhaps best to file as a subchapter-S incorporation. As an S-corp, you have the advantages of being both a sole proprietor and a corp. You still have to file quarterly taxes as an employer, but you won't be considered self-employed. You then just need to file individual taxes based off of the salary you take it - which can be a very nominal amount. You end up paying less taxes than you would a sole proprietor, and you won't need liability insurance

      Novak is bankrupt because he had a fool as a tax lawyer.

  3. Live by the Lawsuit... by netsharc · · Score: 5, Funny

    die by the lawsuit.

    When will this happen to the RIAA?

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    1. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whenever someone gets a war chest big enough to sue them.

      It's remarkably hard to take down a huge coporation without a similar budget.

    2. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by fidget42 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      When will this happen to the RIAA?
      It may happen rather soon to SCO.
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    3. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It may happen rather soon to SCO.

      Actually, assuming that SCO dies [which is not by ANY means certain], it is signifigantly more accurate to say that their legal strategies are more of a dying gasp, instead of saying that their defeat [if they are, in fact, defeated] is a "deathblow".

      In short, if SCO dies, it's because no-one bought their shit, not because they lost in court.

    4. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by The+Tyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the kind of maddening garbage that makes people sound the trumpet for tort reform... and rightfully so.

      I'd like to see some kind of penalty for filing frivolous/nuisance/totally-without-merit suits, preferably a monetary penalty (jail time might be going just a wee bit too far... though it would be very satisfying).

      This should really go for all types of torts, including medical malpractice (disclaimer: I am a physician). I have multiple colleagues who have been sued, and NOT ONE of these suits had real merit, or were for any sort of egregious breach in the standard of care. How do I know? I've looked at the charts and thought "I wouldn't have done anything different." I could never testify against any of these physicians, because what they did was objectively medically reasonable. Now, they all won their cases, but some were very close... frighteningly close.

      You always play the odds in medicine... and sometimes you lose. Every surgical procedure has a certain complication rate, no matter what you do. Every disease has a certain mortality rate, no matter what you do. The medical reality is that "sh*t happens," and it inevitably happens to a certain percentage of patients. It sucks to be in that small percentage, but attorneys and "hired gun" expert witnesses attempt to pin it on the doctor. The scariest thing of all is that you can lose everything you've ever worked for, just because "sh*t happens."

      Tort reform is a good thing... trick is, you have to do it while not taking away the poor man's keys to the court room. Even so, if the poor man files a nonsense suit, he should find himself even poorer.

      Seems fair to me...

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    5. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by Dark+Nexus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      preferably a monetary penalty (jail time might be going just a wee bit too far... though it would be very satisfying).


      Perhaps some form of "3 strikes" approach? Small fine the first time, big fine the second time, jail time the third?

      I mean, if it's just a fine, and they manage to pressure most into settling out of court, it's still financially sound for them.
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    6. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by rot26 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You always play the odds in medicine... and sometimes you lose. Every surgical procedure has a certain complication rate, no matter what you do. Every disease has a certain mortality rate, no matter what you do. The medical reality is that "sh*t happens," and it inevitably happens to a certain percentage of patients. It sucks to be in that small percentage, but attorneys and "hired gun" expert witnesses attempt to pin it on the doctor. The scariest thing of all is that you can lose everything you've ever worked for, just because "sh*t happens."

      I would find it a lot easier to agree with you 100% (instead of 90%) if you had bothered to mention the one little "gotcha"... which is that some doctors suck and shouldn't be practicing medicine and other doctors rarely if ever do anything to police their own ranks. You ALLOW the bad apples to taint you all, and so, I gotta say it, DESERVE some of the suits.


      Q:what do you call the guy who graduated from medical school with the lowest GPA?




      A: Doctor

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    7. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they succeed in turning linux into a zombie, the world will tremble.
      That would takemore than alittle doing, I think.

    8. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by pjrc · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Looks like someone finally turned around and countersued. That someone was John Benn, who won $50,000 plus court costs.

      What does Novak immediately do... attempt to dodge payment by declaring bankruptcy. If you look at the last page of the 7-page PDF file, there's John Benn listed amoung the creditors, and if you flip back to page 1, on the bottom the $50,001-$100,000 box is checked for the estimated debt.

      Let's hope Johm persues this asshole further get gets a the court to impose a payment schedule so Novak doesn't weasle his way out of this one.

    9. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by The+Tyro · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you are absolutely correct... there are bad docs out there.

      The question becomes this: What do we do? Are you going to "profile" all doctors because a few are bad? Do you justify punitive actions against the whole group because of a few bad apples? Of course not... to say that good doctors "deserve" the collateral lawsuits is not justifiable.

      Doctors do police themselves to a degree... ask for the yearly minutes of any state's medical board, and look at the number of licenses they suspend/sanction/revoke every year; there's pages and pages of them. Usually, they are for gross breach of the standard of care, drug abuse, inappropriate relationships with patients, etc. I get those minutes sent to me every year, and sometimes I just shake my head at the stupid behavior that people jeapordize their career over... but there's often more to the story in even those cases. I've seen some cases in those minutes that I had personal knowledge of, and the punishments were totally undeserved (while others were richly deserved)... the system is far from perfect.

      The reality is this: unless the care is unbelievably substandard, it's hard to justify taking somebody's license.

      What more do you want us to do? If you are going to try to take away somebody's medical license that they've worked 12 years for, you'd better have some pretty solid proof. I can't go around in public saying what a "horrible" doctor somebody is (because one patient I referred to them had a bad result)... I'd get sued for slander... particularly if I didn't have a truckload of cases, complications, deaths, M&M minutes, etc to back it up. It takes a while to build up the kind of evidence that taking away a license requires, particularly if the care is only a little below par, but still objectively reasonable. So much of medicine is a judgement call that it can be pretty hard to simply point a finger and say "Bad! Bad doctor!."

      Yes, I realize it's not good for the patients that a "bad" doctor continues to practice while they gather data about his care... but there is little alternative. You protect patients, but you also have to protect the doctor from character assassination and slander.

      Yes there are bad doctors... but they are few... and are far outnumbered by the honest, hard-working, give-a-damn doctors.

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    10. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by The+Tyro · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm truly sorry, but I cannot live up to that ideal, much as I would like to.

      I've made mistakes when treating patients... I've even watched treatments that I've prescribed kill patients (look up the complication rate for thrombolytic treatment for strokes, you'll see what I mean). I then had to face their family, and explain to them that the medicine they were gambling on to cure their relative's stroke had, in fact, caused her death. Bad outcome? Yes. Do you think I should be sued?

      I would like nothing more than to be right all the time. Sometimes I just don't have the information I need (I work in the ER, and often have to go on little to NO information), and the patient suffers as a result. When a guy having a heart attack lies to me about his cocaine use, some of the drugs I'd normally use to treat his heart attack can harm, even kill him. What am I supposed to do? An attorney can go to court and argue that if I'd waited for his medical records to arrive, I would have seen the drug abuse in his old chart... but I have to treat RIGHT NOW, or I run the risk of breaching the 30 minute door-to-drug standard of care, and I can get sued for THAT. Hard choices.

      I don't mind being between the devil and the deep blue sea... I signed up for that. What I cannot do is be perfect, or always have a perfect outcome.

      The good news is this: most people understand... which is part of the reason that doctors prevail in 80-90% of all malpractice suits. Juries often "get it," despite the depredations of the personal injury bar.

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    11. Re:Live by the Lawsuit... by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      good question... I'll try to answer it, but I'll have to plead ignorance on what the hospitals pay for malpractice, because I honestly have no idea.

      Malpractice insurance is very regional, and depends almost entirely on what state you practice in (Bad states include Florida, West Virginia, and others). It also depends on amount of coverage, and type of coverage (occurrence, versus "Claims-made"). Without getting into too much detail, my malpractice insurance as an ER doc is 35,000+ per year for average coverage, with no suits in my past. OB/GYNs have it even worse... some of them pay 100,000+ per year.

      100,000K seems like a lot of money (and it is), but believe it or not, they're the lucky ones; some specialists, like neurosurgeons, can't even GET insurance. They have to "go bare" and try like hell to protect their assets, such that if they are sued, they don't end up broke and without a license... (kind of a kick in the teeth after 15 years of training).

      I honestly don't know how much it would decrease the cost of medical care. So much of the cost of medical care is out of the control of physicians, and hidden from consumers, that it's extremely difficult to get accurate figures.

      I always ask people if they are paying less for their healthcare than they used to, and they inevitably say they are paying more. And yet, physican incomes have actually dropped in recent years. Not kept pace with inflation, not stayed even... dropped. Where did the difference go? Some would say newer/more-expensive treatments, others would say treating the uninsured... I think part of the answer is administrative overhead. More HMO employees, more office staff to file claims, more people to refile those same claims after the insurance company's routine first denial (lather, rinse, repeat). Larger salaries for HMO CEOs... there's an enormous middleman in the health care industry, and I'm not sure malpractice savings wouldn't get added into the bottom line and reappear as a stock dividend.

      Yikes... now I'm starting to sound like some of slashdot's anti-corporate anarchists.

      I think tort reform would save substantial cash, not only in premiums, but in defensive medicine costs. I know some docs that do a CT scan on every headache, just so they don't get sued for missing that 1-in-a-million 18yo stroke victim, or the early brain tumor. It's horrendously expensive to practice medicine that way. Even so, I understand why they do it... it only takes one weird case to get scared. I've seen people walk into my ER with normal neurological exams, only slightly sleepy, with half their skull full of blood. Scary thing is, by most standards, you could easily justify not scanning that person... (I'm damned glad I did the scan). and that's just one example. I try not to practice defensively, but it can be hard when the patient threatens to sue you before you even find out their name, or they are on the phone with their lawyer from their ER bed (both true stories).

      Does that sort of answer your question? I think it would help, and it would go well beyond simple premium savings.

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  4. And the doctor by PirateDave+-) · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Gets a tast of his own medicine, one could say.

    Do we see here proof that unethical corporate practices (sueing everyone) will eventually be the destruction of your business? I for one hope so.

  5. last post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    last post for this company

  6. Learn from this one kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ya see what happens to your business when you don't have a cute sock-puppet character on your side? Oh, wait... nevermind. They didn't make it either...

  7. All I can say is... by Cali+Thalen · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Cool...

    Though, it's too bad that filing for bankruptcy doesn't mean that the frivolous lawsuits will end.

    I don't think we've heard the last of Mr. Novak somehow.

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    1. Re:All I can say is... by Roosey · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think we've heard the last of Mr. Novak somehow.

      We certainly haven't unless we can get him to stop showing up on Crossfire every other night.

    2. Re:All I can say is... by bluephone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, risking troll-mods, this is a FUNNY, not an INFORMATIVE, as they are not the same Robert Novak.

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  8. Am we finally allowed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Am we finally allowed to talk about the horrible rate of dead animal deliveries from this place?

    Seriously. This was one of the more common reasons he would sue. People would order fish, aquarium plants, rodents, etc. and they would arrive dead, not marked for paid-for weekend delivery, sent at slower than safe shipping speeds, not packaged to protect from temperature and normal handling, or even not delivered to the carrier the same day they were packaged!!!

  9. Don't Fret... by telstar · · Score: 2, Funny

    For all of your pet purchases we've still got PETsMART.com and ePets.com where we can purchase pet-favorites such as the "Pet Stairs" for that pet that's just too lazy to jump ... and the "I Gotta Go Out Door Chime". Word has it that petswarehouse.com will be selling that last item on clearance rebranded as the "I Gotta Go Out of Business Door Chime" so keep your eyes opened.

  10. marketplace confusion... by spazoid12 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Petswarehouse.com" has long been a source of confusion in the marketplace. For many years a company known as "Pet Warehouse" (not "Petswarehouse") has been a trusted source of supplies for fish enthusiasts. Long before the .com retailer thing, Pet Warehouse was, IMHO, the best of the mail order catalogs. They were eventually bought out by "Doctors Foster and Smith" (www.drsfostersmith.com), but the good Drs continue to print the "Pet Warehouse" name on their catalogs because it's a well respected name. They even continue to operate via the same old tollfree number. I've been out of the hobby for years, but hopefully they're still good.

    It's been a nuisance that Novak and his pathetic activities has brought confusion via a similar name. Good riddance.

    1. Re:marketplace confusion... by nhunsperger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, and when this guy emails you, the from line reads "Pets Warehouse".

      Somebody from his 'company' found a 6th month old post to a newsgroup, written by one of my users. Angry that it put down his 'good name', he emailed our abuse address, demanding that we take action, as a computer crime had been committed. In any case, the article against Novak is an interesting read.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  12. Ahhh... by techturtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the link:

    Novak 3 involves a lawsuit against Novak as the result of a defamatory message that was posted claiming a Bar Complaint was pending on November 2001 against John Benn. A judgment has been rendered against Novak in that case.

    So he's going off suing people because they are (I assume rightfully) complaining about his poor business practices in a public forum. Then he publicly defamates a LAWYER'S character and loses the whole business!!! What an ultra maroon! It's big time poetic justice that Mr. Benn will get his $50,000 settlement from the obliteration of the brand.

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    1. Re:Ahhh... by techturtle · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know it's not good manners to reply to my own posts, but did anyone read through the Google (and other search engines and companies) law suit that this guy filed? Amazing!

      He basically alleges that he lost tons of revenue and incurred damages to his brand because other companies that paid for advertising and ranking using keywords such as "pets" and "warehouse" unfairly got more hits/click throughs than his site. He sues the copanies that paid for the advertising AND the search engines like there was some giant conspiracy to undermine his business.

      Woner if there are any complaints of people receiveing two headed animals or puppies that ate children from this guy? He's gone and slipped off the edge of reality...

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  13. Well, it is true... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time wounds all heals...

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  14. Whats the Problem? by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sounds like this place.

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  15. I want this domain! by lewp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Think of all the hilarious hate mail this guy must get on a regular basis. I want it!

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  16. To quote nelson by Loosewire · · Score: 5, Funny

    HA HA

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  17. Goodbye to bad rubbish by Scott+Lockwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope this idiot stays down this time. People like him make it harder for the rest of us to do business. As a guppy, and an Endler's livebearer breeder, this guy really pissed me off.

    I can't wait to see how the rest of this works out, with his other suits.

    GuppyLog

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  18. Now if only... by TWX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only we could castrate him for being a dingus, to prevent him from breeding (assuming he hasn't already bred), and somehow deport him to a third world country that could use him for labor or meat (if he won't work), we'd be good off.

    I hope that the bankruptcy court leaves him with the lifestyle of a crackfiend. I've known people whose business practices are like this guy's, and I have no sympathy.

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  19. just another tool of legal abuse by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    and has just filed for bankruptcy

    Don't think for a minute that this means this guy is broke. He's likely just using the bankruptcy laws to shield himself from paying his obligation. The guy apparently abuses the legal system to sue everyone he can to make a buck, then when a law suit catches up with him he does this to not pay on the judgement against him. Pretty typical.

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  20. Reminds me of the Beatles lyric... by ScottGant · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The love you take is equal to the love you make"

    Methinks that Robert didn't make much in the way of love.

    Karma baby....INSTANT karma if you will.

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  21. Well... by PS-SCUD · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least we still have petsovernight.com Pets Overnight

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  22. There are few people on this planet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... that I could care less if something horrible happened them. He's on the list. Suing people who contributed to the defense fund? Insanity. The guy deserves whatever bad things happens to him. He's got a mighty huge karma hammer swinging towards him.

  23. Novak moved to a new domain. by Gendou · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been following this story from the start, and it's been fascinating. Pets Warehouse is still up and operating. Novak switched over to a new domain shortly after the turnover of the domain was ordered, so he's managed to avoid any downtime despite losing his old domain. It's now located at Pets-Warehouse.com (Novak just added a dash). Maybe it'll soon be gone too, but Novak has been through a couple of bankruptcies already. I hope he's learned a lesson, at least.

  24. uh oh! by scovetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pets Warehouse.com
    1550 Sunrise Hwy, Copiague, NY 11726
    Phone: (631) 789-5400

    I called, they're still open. The lady was kind of rude on the phone though. Anybody up for a class-action?

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  25. Don't forget about his message board. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    His message board is still up, too. Wouldn't it be a shame if some dedicated Slashbotters decided to drop in and let his customers know about all this?

  26. Def: Barratry by Remik · · Score: 4, Informative

    barÂraÂtry

    1. The offense of persistently instigating lawsuits, typically groundless ones.

    2. An unlawful breach of duty on the part of a ship's master or crew resulting in injury to the ship's owner.

    3. Sale or purchase of positions in church or state.

    What he's doing is illegal, he should be fined into oblivion or sent up the river to be married to some guy named Bubba.

    And, while we're at it, let's get the RIAA up on charges too.

    -R

  27. petswarehouse.com? by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
    petswarehouse.com

    I think the self-storage business has gotten too specialized. First you could rent a storage area for your stuff, then your boat, then your car...

  28. Re:Trading animals should be made illegal worldwid by tbond_trader · · Score: 3, Informative

    Animals are not sentient. First of animal. Humans are considered animals, therefore you are already wrong. If you are speaking of other mammals, you've obviously never had a pet. The definition of sentient is: 1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions 2 : AWARE 3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling #1 speaks for itself. The reactions of a dog are not random, he will greet you with affection, growl at those he doesn't recognize and many other responses to stimuli. #2 Does a dog know it exists? As much as any two year old child. The reactions of both are incredibly similar. #3 Again dogs are incredibly sensitive to their surroundings. They know when you are upset, when they have done something wrong, and so much more. Based on your response you obviously have never spent time with something you didn't eat. I would recommend you do, it's a rewarding experience. :)

  29. Re:Trading animals should be made illegal worldwid by TheMonkeyDepartment · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love my cats, but if there was some kind of a famine and I couldn't get any food, I'd grill and eat those motherfuckers without a second thought. Because if they were starving, they'd probably try to eat me if they could!

  30. Re:Trading animals should be made illegal worldwid by Ellen+Ripley · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Animals are not sentient. Some members of the ape family might be on the edge of sentience and just need a little "push" to cross that border, but they aren't there yet. Dolphins aren't even close. Only one create on this planet has reached sentience - humans.

    What definition of sentience are you using? m-w.com says:
    1 : responsive to or conscious of sense impressions
    2 : AWARE
    3 : finely sensitive in perception or feeling
    Animals aren't aware? Animals don't respond to sense impressions? More to the point, if animals don't have human-like emotions, they certainly are faking it really well. They're probably not exactly the same as human emotions, but they seem pretty close.
  31. Judge can award attorney's fees by mekkab · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First- disclaimer: IANAL, my wife is. What does that make me and my legal advice? WORTHLESS!
    That being said:

    At the discretion of the judge, based upon how frivolous the suit was, they can award attorney's fees.

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  32. Re:Trading animals should be made illegal worldwid by rossz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I meant to say "other animals" or something like that.

    Second, we need a clear definition of what is sentience. Let's toss out the PETA definition since using their rules would include insects and possibly even plants.

    So what is sentience? My personal definition is the ability to ask a simple question, "why am I here". Note that the ability to answer this question is not necessary (humans have been arguing this point for a rather long time without success). Sentience is the ability to wonder about things beyond "food, shelter, reproduce" - sadly, a large number of humans haven't evolved beyond this.

    A few members of the ape family have shown some rather interesting sentient-like behavior, but as I said in my previous post - it is only hints.

    Despite my arguing against animal sentience, I am not promoting cruelty to animals. I am very much against any type of cruelty to animals of any sort. I stopped eating veal after learning of the conditions in that industry (and I love veal!).

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  33. Sounds just like another case.. Fatwallet.. by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some may remember the deal discussion forum Fatwallet.com from when several retailers sued them because users posted Black Friday sales fliers ahead of time. They also got sued by a guy named Todd Short, who was running a fraudulent scheme where he was selling laptops, claiming you would pay him now and get your laptop several months later. Users did, never got their laptops, and posted their experiences on the forum. The forum, along with a user who created a website, got sued by Todd. Later, he declared bankrucy.

    Fatwallet JC Morris Thread

    Website about JC Morris Scam

  34. Seriously good Psychiatry case write-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This guy it nuts and way out of his mind. As I recall, one of the big differences between the DSM III and DSM IV was the omission of the Passive Agressive Personality Disorder. Here are the criteria I could find:

    o Resist fulfilling their given responsibilities through procrastinating, "forgetting," sulking, or being argumentative
    o Protest, without justification, that unreasonable demands are being placed on them
    o Seem to work deliberately slowly or to do a bad job on tasks that they do not really want to do
    o Obstruct the efforts of others and fail to do their share; are uncooperative
    o Resent useful suggestions from others concerning how they might be more productive

    What I am getting at is Novak's actions are the most extreme example of passive agressive behaviors I have ever heard of. Maybe he has a personality disorder is is Psychotic out of his mind. He is using the court system as part of his psychopathology. Because of the grand scale of this, his case could easily be published in a major Psychiatric journal. Is there any way to force him to undergo a Psych eval ???

  35. The Down-side of bankruptcy by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    For a certain kind of businessman, declaring bankruptcy is sort of like a fisherman deciding "All the fish here have been harvested, so it's time to pull up anchor and go somewhere else." In their minds, there's nothing immoral or embarrassing about it, it's just how they put food on the table.

    A judge doesn't necessarily grant full protection from creditors if he/she determines, possibly from information provided which indicates spending it all and declaring bankruptcy was the plan all along, that this is in bad faith.

    I've heard people suggest getting a pile of credit cards, max them out, then declare bankruptcy. Well, you can imagine the credit card companies have heard of this strategy, too, and have means to collect on debts, i.e. you are saddled with a payment plan which requires you to pay them back over time. Less kindly creditors are known to employ collection agents. It's probably a bad idea to lend your car to someone who has recently filed for bankruptcy.

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  36. Re:Trading animals should be made illegal worldwid by l810c · · Score: 2, Funny
    So why should it be allowed to treat these wonders of the LORD's creation as liveless objects ?

    If the LORD didn't want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of Meat?

  37. Re:Is it possible... by thasmudyan · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...for a judge to order him to never file another civil suit again? It really angers me to see someone abuse the system like this with no real repercussions.

    Sadly, I don't think so, it would probably hurt his rights to much. But maybe he could be fined for each abuse?
    Random fact from my memory: I'm not sure, but I think in ancient Greece sue-happy people who lost their case got automatically banned from court after a few attempts, they could never sue again...

  38. Re:Have you seen the cover of TIME? by Technician · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any business when too risky, reduces entry into the field. 10 years ago the concern was who is delivering babies in small towns? This was due to excessive malpratice lawsuits for less than perfect babies. It had to be the doctor's fault, make him pay, he has insurance, yada... Doh, the insurance rates went out of sight to cover the increased risk. Small physisians simply could not afford it and left the small town practice, or simply stopped delivering babies to drop the high insurance premium.

    The problem has not improved. With managed healthcare, not only is the risk high, but the potential earnings are down with extreme workloads.

    This is one of the great reasons I went into electronics instead of the medical field. A failure is limited to replacement cost, not pain, suffering, potential income over lifetime etc. The pay is better for a surgeon, but the risk kept me out of the field.

    So tell me, where is the next generation of doctors comming from?

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