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Extra Scenes in TTT Extended Edition DVD
gdr writes "USA Today have an article about the extra scenes that will be in The Two Towers Extended Edition. More ent scenes so it'll be worth watching for the special effects alone. Sadly it looks like there will be no extra gollum scenes. I can't say I'm as excited about this one as the FotR EE."
the first box set with added sceans was great....and the cut sceans actualy made tyhe story clearer. I hear that there is an extra 40 min in TTT.
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I wonder how many people are holding off on buying the dvds until all three movies are out? I know I'd like to own the dvds but I'm waiting for the super box set of the extended versions of the entire trilogy to come out. same with the matrix trilogy. wonder if this waiting is affecting their sales figures.
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So first I buy the dvd of the fellowship, then I buy the extended version
And THEN when all 3 are released, I buy the trilogy... and then the special extended version of that!
Man these guys got it good. Maybe I should smarten up and just wait.
The ent scenes might have been great in the book, but they were just as entertaining as having my fingernails removed in the movie. It took 10 minutes for a sentence to be spoken, I think it completely ruined the pace of the movie. I exclude the last ent scene from this, of course.
-bm
I am very much looking forward to getting the extended edition of the TT on DVD. After the masterful job done in the extended edition of FotR, I can hardly watch the shorter version.
Of course, I'll have a problem when I get to the RotK extended edition. I only have a 5 disc DVD changer and so I'll have to get up from the couch after 12 hours to switch to the final disk!
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It is soooo hard to wait for the trillogy to come out in a single box set special edition. I want each one! Must... wait...
One box set to rule them all, one box set to bind them.
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Not that I won't be subjected to another 3 months (more, really, considering RotK is coming in Dec) of my girlfriend saying, "Isn't he dreamy?...I love Legolas!...He's so handsome, won't you learn Elvish, honey?"
Really, there wasn't a whole lot missing from the book that I missed in TTT. There was a lot from FotR, but I understood that they had to leave things like Tom Bombadil out for purposes of keeping the length of the movie reasonable.
I am looking forward to seeing more about how Jackson dealt with the strife in Faramir's family, and why he took the path that he did in the movies compared to the books.
Why should I argue rationally with someone being irrational? I'll just mock them instead.
Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition. A four-disc set they released around Christmas-time last year that added another half hour or so to the movie. Notably so, also -- the scenes not just made the movie clearer, they actually prompted rearranging the shot order in some parts, and having actors speak lines previously said by other actors.
It was actually a nice addition to the movie, although I thought that the original was outstanding as is.
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This may apply to most movies, but not to TLOTR.
The LOTR-movies are cut down because a 4 hour-beast is not acceptable for a movie that has to make a lot of money.
Most poeple I know, at least the geeks and especially those who read the book, found the longer version of the fellowship a _lot_ better.
Fellowship of the Ring: Electrical Engineers It's the one where Frodo and Sam write a Matlab script to simulate destroying the ring, and Gandalf wears dockers and a polo shirt with a stitched Sun Microsystems logo.
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Now the extended edition does appear to introduce some interesting new stuff, but I wonder if yet more flashbacks concerning Boromir and Faramir is just compounding the error. Enough with the flashbacks!
I felt that TTT was cut more harshly than FOTR was ... things didn't flow as smoothly, things were more jarring.
:).
I'm hoping that some of that extra 43 minutes is invested into smoothing out some of those rough edges and making it flow just a little better.
But who am I kidding? I'll buy it anyway, and I'll buy the regular cut, and I'll buy both editions of ROTK, and if (when) they come out with some uber-box-set with all three movies, a copy of the books, a lifesize inflatable Balrog, and new commentary by Christopher Tolkien (heh, yeah right!) I'll buy that too.
At least they're telling us up front about the different editions, so buyers can make the right choices.
Let's just hope PJ doesn't release digitally altered (kindler, gentler) versions of the movies in twenty years
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Apparently, the author was surprised to learn that in the Jackson version of LotR, Aragorn is 87 years old. As anyone who has read the books knows, Aragorn is Dunedan (sp?), a race of men who once lived for 500+ years, but in the days of LotR, live a relatively short 180-200 years.
I doubt there'll be any good excuse for the monstrous character assassination they committed on Faramir, though.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
. . . what the fuck an "ent" is, it's apparently the name of those big-ass trees.
i for one would have to disagree with this opinion, i've seen enough of Gollum and am bordering on thinking of him as a more refined (albeit less nauseating) Jar Jar. There were/are several facets of TTT which bothered me, but despite the obviously flawed story-line deviations i would have to say the top two on my list are: 1) the character degredation of Farimir, and 2) the inability of TTT to portray Ents as being very ancient and very wise beyond the comprehension of the fast-paced lives of the more mortal (i know 'mortal' is a qualitative measurement, but you know what i mean by 'more mortal') races.
Perhaps some of the cut scenes will allay some of these grumblings and restore to the Ents what i have always seen as their greatest virtue.
-tid242
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Not that I won't be subjected to another 3 months (more, really, considering RotK is coming in Dec) of my girlfriend saying, "Isn't he dreamy?...I love Legolas!...He's so handsome, won't you learn Elvish, honey?"
I feel your pain.
When I went to see TTT on the first midnight showing, most of the people in the audience were in their twenties. One of the previews was for "Pirates of the Carribean", and when Orlando Bloom's name came up there were distinct shrieks. When Legolas jumped onto the moving horse, I swear I could feel the estrogen surge. I thought girls were going to start flinging panties at the screen. One woman posted online that when she saw this scene for the first time, "I think I got pregnant."
On the bright side, if you're not entirely joking, it's now officially studly to have learned Elvish, although the thought of bespectacled Tolkein geeks trying to pick up girls by quoting Legolas is more than a little disturbing.
With the recent advent of everyone turning anything in print into a movie (LotR, Spiderman, The Hulk, Daredevil, etc...) in order to appeal to a more illiterate society, and to advertise more products. I have decided to turn FreeBSD Unleashed (2nd Edition) into a feature film. It will feature bullet-time animation, and Beastie travelling through 3-dimensional telnet and ssh sessions to successfully configure his beowulf community.
I will be sure not to use any phrases such as Unix, Linux, SCO, or FSF so that I am not sued.
Then, I will release a DVD edition, then an extended edition with an interview with some programmers on how to configure you first box.
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My opinion after seeing it in the theater was that we were short-changed on the Ents. They play a very important role in the book (aren't they actually the ones that win Helm's deep? Sneak in at night and rip the orc armies to bits?)
While it's not heavy on details it mentions the Ent's draught and Merry and Pippin getting taller, which I thought would have been worth putting in the movie. Glad to see it will be there now.
I think I'm actually looking more forward to the TTT Special Edition than I was FotR because I've seen how much extra goodness was added to FotR.
From reading the article (I know, how dare I) it sounds like the added scenes will help those who haven't read the books. I know when my wife saw the extended FotR, things "clicked" a little better...
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It would not be difficult to load a seperate table of contents which would allow one to watch the theatrical version and extended cut off the same set of dvds.
I cant think of a technical reason why this isn't possible, unless there are different versions of the same scene instead of different length cuts of the same scene.
A 5th disc with the original cut wouldnt be hard to add either. I wonder if a superbit version will ever come out?
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The original race of men in Toklein's universe live for centuries like the Biblical patriarchs. Their lifespans declined as the original high civilization declined. Also the line of kings has immortal Elvish ancestors, which confers additional longevity.
Aragon's 87 years pales compared to his betrothed Arwen's many centuries. She is practically cradle-robbing. And her father, Agent Smith, no I mean Elrond, is an immortal Elf and many thousands of years old. Because Elrond and Arwen have some human blood, they can choose to become human, age, and die.
i have no problem paying for something that is WORTH paying for. TTT wasn't one 10 minute action scene in the middle of 3 hours worth of fluff. besides, they're only gonna make more good fantasy movies like this if they make money on them.
you've clearly never compared the extended FOTR to the theatrical release version. the extended edition was a vastly superior film and also helps explain why in TT gollum keeps whimpering about the rope.
btw: am i the only one who had to put the captions on to understand what galadriel is saying during her temptation scene?
ed
One of the advantages of living in a house with 4 other guys, either someone will buy it, or their girlfriend/mom/dad/brother/grandmother/aunt/etc/et c certainly will, either way i still get to see it :) ...
in any event, there's always the option of buying it used, while it could be argued that buying used DVDs supports the MPAA via creating a secondary market demand for their products, i personally think that it's a happy medium between being devoid of art in life and supporting one of the world's most evil empires. Also it should be noted that someone who buys a DVD for $25 and sells it to a disc-whorehouse for $5 probably isn't considerably driven by the market demand for his/her used product...
And (as a sort of sales pitch), EVERYONE who sells a movie or CD isn't necessarily affiliated with the MPAA or RIAA, as an example i am certainly purchasing (brand new) the 'Ohgr' CD (Nivek Ogre and Mark Walk) being released by spitfire records on July 1, and they are not affiliated with the RIAA (according to something i read a while back)... So don't let your boycotts hurt the innocents (like all of those idiots who said they'd boycott Heineken beer because it is German, after the fallout of an Iraq war resolution...)
Sorry, i'm mumbling again...
-tid242
With a few exceptions, secrecy is deeply incompatible with democracy and with science. --Carl Sagan
The original TT is 179 minutes, just a hair under 3 hours. That makes the extended edition 43 minutes longer at 222 minutes.
In those 43 minutes you could
Or look at new ent scenes, watch merry and pippin grow inches from ent draught, get more info about the theoden family and boramir's father and brother, etc, etc.
Me?
DIE BOROMIR, DIE!!! "My K...-rewind- THAP! "ARRRGH" THAP! THAP!
-Adam
Amen!
Did I like the two movies so far? Yes. Were they Earth shattering? No. I would much rather spend my money on nice copies of the books than on these DVD's. (In fact, I have)
And while I am inviting the flame-bait moderations:
Is anyone else as sick to death as I am about hearing how amazing Gollum was, how he should have won an academy award, been knighted by the Queen, been elected supreme ruler of Earth, etc.?
Was the performance good? Sure. Was it spectacular. Dear god no. Frankly I have no idea what movie these zealots were watching. Seeing some silly CGI hop around the screen and speaking with a lisp that made me want to gag is not my idea of a great performance.
-sirket
Ok ok, so I understand that some of you haven't read the books and believe that the additional scenes in FotR were trivial. But come on, leaving out the reforging of Aragorn's sword by the elves? Tolkein's poetry? Crack open the book for one minute and see how many poems you come across. This man invented (documented) 10,000 years of history, constructed a couple languages from scratch, and wrote countless songs and poems to complete the world of Lord of the Rings and Jackson all but throws it away. The extended edition of Lord of the Rings did exactly what I wanted it to, it completed the parts of the movie that I thought were missing from the book. It will be a harder challenge for TTT:EE to do the same, but I look forward to the "small" details being put back in so that the people who have read and enjoyed the books can see it in action.
i would argue that there are fundamental differences in pacing b/n a film and a book.
in a book, the author has the luxury of assuming he has your undivided attention and that he or she can describe certain things in extended, loving detail (e.g., the infamous whitenes of the whale chapter in moby dick).
in addition, most books take longer (for some, a lot longer) to experience than a movie. i'm a very fast reader and can usually knock off a 500 or so page book (fiction) in an evening. by contrast, my wife generally stretches the same book out over several evenings.
contrast this with a movie. most movies are around 2 hours long or so. this puts a huge burden upon the director, to convey the basic concepts of the film in a very efficient manner. while a picture may be worth a thousand words, some authors take a thousand words just to clear their throats (e.g., stephen king).
as a result, the pacing of works in these 2 very different media by definition *has* to be different.
a friend of mine once observed that at best, a film adaptation of a book is an abridgement. i don't know if that's his own observation or one he appropriated from another source, but the wisdom of that statement is abundantly clear every time i watch a good adaptation.
JMHO.
ed
Elrond and Elros are called the Half-elven, but strictly that isn't quite true. It's all rather messy and incestuous. Beren (a legendary human hero) married Luthien (daughter of an elven-king and a Maia - a minor deity like Sauron but not evil), had many adventures, died, came back to life as ordinary humans, and then died again of natural causes; their son, Dior, an elf, married Nimloth, another elf, and their daughter was Elwing.
Meanwhile, Belegund, Beren's cousin, had a daughter Rian, who married Huor, another hero; Tuor, Huor's son, went into the heroic family business; he ended up in the hidden elven-city of Gondolin and married the princess, Idril. Their son was Earendil.
Earendil married Elwing, and their sons were Elrond and Elros. Now, all this was terribly confusing, because nobody was entirely certain what species they were. So the Valar (the major gods) said that Earendil, Elwing, Elrond and Elros would each get to choose their species. Earendil and Elwing both chose to be elves, and went on to start new careers as the planets Venus and Mercury respectively. Elrond also chose to be an elf, and became the great elf-lord we know so well from Rivendell. Elros chose to be human, and was the first King of Numenor, and is an ancestor of Aragorn - which was the point of this long digression.
Aragorn's long life, then, comes from his being, in a small part, Elvish, and in an even smaller part, divine - and also from the general favour of the gods on his people. However, Elrond frowns on his plan to bring up again the whole problem of the Half-Elves. Elros' children were all human, and Elrond's children were all elves, but what happens if Elros' descendant Aragorn marries Elrond's descendant Arwen? I don't think the exact policy of the Valar was ever made explicitly, but the most likely outcome is that if Elrond sails West and Arwen stays behind and marries a human, she will become mortal as well, and will die with him in Middle-earth.
On his deathbed, Aragorn suggested that Arwen might still have the choice to follow her father Elrond to the West, and live forever there - she says that the only reason she cannot is that there are no ships to take her back, and she is stranded. But we know that Legolas sailed with Gimli into the West after the death of Aragorn, so there was at least one sailing available.
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
i hear you on that.
it seems to me that there may be a good chunk of people that separate the MPAA and RIAA into two different ideological entities. while it is true that both are pursuing lawsuits and a boycott of one inevitably calls for the boycott of the other, the subject matter they deal with is inherently different. the RIAA either puts out a good song bundled with crap music or force feeds us a lack of viable options, and the only way to change that is by not buying any their prdoucts forcing them to change business strategy. the MPAA on the other hand provides many options, pays their artists well, and creates a more diverse set of art than the RIAA does.
all i'm saying is that maybe the ill feelings towards the MPAA aren't as bad as you implied. just MHO.
The big revelation is that Aragorn is old?? Well DUH. He is decended from the Numenoreans and has elvish blood. Elrond is like his super great uncle. I wish these movies had never been made. All of a sudden Im being forced into "Tolkien Conversations" with people who have never read the book. Back in the day when I talked LOTR the other person at least new the _real_ non-holywoodized version.
Ok ok. I KNOW Im ranting in a crazy fashion. I appologize. It is just that I am a Tolkien fanatic. Imagine (linux geeks) if all of a sudden everyone was using lindows and talking about how great linux was and if you tried to tell them about debian, suse or whatever distro you liek they were like "hunh? thats not linux."
Im goign to go drink something very strong and try to regain my composure. Thank you for reading this rant.
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Considering the LotR:FotR enhanced DVD had the risque Jack Black MTV skit as an easter egg, I wonder if they'll incorporate the Gollum MTV acceptance speech in this set.
Anyone have difinitive word? Does Weta even know yet?
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Bilbo dancing with Gollum? Gandalf visiting the gay bar? There has to be some outtakes from these movies that could've been added to the special edition DVDs. Wait, don't tell me there's going to be another edition released?
"(Sorry if that was a spoiler)."
Nah, a spoiler is like "Sauron is Frodo's real father".
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One thing I would like to see, and something that dissapointed me at the cinema is that battle of helmsdeep. They way I remeber it basically gandalf turns up with a load of people, next scene they have one. Surely 30 second worth of Gandalf kicking arse wouldn't be to much to ask..
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"I speak no confort to you, for there is no confort for such pain within the circles of the world. The uttermost choice is before you: to repent and go to the Havens and bear away into the West the memory of our days together that shall there be evergreen but never more than memory; or else to abide the Doom of Men."
"Nay, dear lord," she said, "that choice is long over. There is now no ship that would bear me hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence."
I think this can be read either way. It may be that her choice is not truly made until this moment; we are told that 'the light of her eyes was quenched; and it seemed to her people that she had become cold and grey as nightfall in winter that comes without a star' - or it may be that her choice was made when Elrond sailed away without her, or a variety of other possibilities.
Arwen would probably be able to sail to the West if she decided to do so - Gimli made it, as did Frodo and Bilbo. Whether Aragorn was right and she still had the chance of immortality, or whether even in the West she would die, is something we'll probably never know...
Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
After watching the movie 15 times you should be able to pick them out. What, you mean you haven't watched it 15 times? What kind of geek are you?
It's hard to believe, but those annoying, out of place, obviously-merchandise-driven Ewok scenes were actually in the original theatrical release!
It's true. If you can find a copy of the original you can see for yourself.
One woman posted online that when she saw this scene for the first time, "I think I got pregnant."
Or as the saying goes: "Not a dry seat in the house."I watched TTT over the weekend again, and there was a lot of things I was disappointed in. The dead marshes scene, where gollum keeps talking about not following the lights.. that weren't there. Perhaps Peter Jackson was too busy with all the FOTR award hoopla to supervise putting the lights in?
But, no, the big thing I disliked about both FOTR and TTT was how de-emphasized Sauron was. In FOTR at least you get to hear him talk and have a sense that he's really menancing, when the Jacksons weren't giving his actions to Saruman to perform (such as bringing down the mountain). But in TTT, Sauron was a non-entity.. you'd think he was incapable of any direct action.. just a big floaty eye, unable even to do so much as turn and look in different directions.
Sauron is one of the biggest characters in the books, but the movies have really pushed him aside in favor of Saruman. Yay Christopher Lee and all that, but it's hard to really understand the point of all the hub-ub without understanding that Sauron is the real problem, and that he's really unnervingly dangerous and evil, a force of nature almost, beyond comprehension. Even his Nazgul seem sort of weak compared to those depicted in Bakshi's LOTR.
I really hope ROTK shows just how awe-inspiringly powerful and evil Sauron is, otherwise much of the drama of the books is just gone.
Whew, I'm happy to have _that_ off my chest.
- jon
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The thought of all great movies getting dumbed down to the level of Peoria, IL, always made me cry. Now there can be two levels of mass entertainment: one for the sheep and one for us. I'm looking forward to seeing the extended TTT DVD. Faramir was a great character, and they didn't do him justice in the cinematic release.
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Agreed 100%. I went to the midnight showing with my GF (who also lusts after Legolas btw) and I almost fell asleep during the Helm's Deep battle. The first 2 minutes were cool, but after about 5 it's like "Seen that. Move on."
For me, the story is the pull of the books and the movies, not some super-duper, whiz-bang, computer animated battle. Yawn. I will undoubtedly fast forward through that scene in the DVD (or go make some popcorn).
As a testament to the longer version being a lot better, my wife (who has not read the books yet, but she is working on them now) actually understood the movie when we watched the extended version. The same could not be said for the origional theatrical release. After watching the extended edition the first time, I was shocked at some of the things that had been cut out--they were rather important plot points! (I'd give an example, but it's been so long since I saw the short version I don't remember what the specific scenes that are different are) I just hope TTT gains as much improvement as FoTR did.
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.. then you'll understand my comment.
I don't think extended / directors-cut editions of movies are bad, in fact for the most-part I like them, but I don't agree with _only_ releasing alternative cuts of movies and not the original.
What you are suggesting here is not ridiculous. In fact, I believe that > 1 person suggested the same thing to Peter Jackson. However, I also believe that PJ told them to go away and let him make his movies.
What PJ has done with these movies is taken the books and distilled them into their essential stories. He has done this in order to "fit" into the public's perception of what a movie can be. He's pushed it to three hours, but that's as far as he's willing to go: LoTR has to be financially viable, or New Line would never have ponied up the dough. The only way he could have done a page-by-page remake of the book is as a mini-series, which would not have had the same financial upside, therefore New Line does not pony up the dough, the effects get cheaper, the cast is suddenly Canadian, etc.
These are the conditions under which he is working, but the ultimate goal is to tell the story of the Lord of the Rings.
The change which is suggested is not designed to meet this goal under the constraints involved. It is an attempt to change the story. "But," you say, "all I'm suggesting is a minor change of stepping off instead of falling." The key here is INTENT. Since you want Gollum to INTENTIONALLY COMMIT SUICIDE, you need to build up to it. The audience has to believe that Gollum would do such a thing. You need to lay the groundwork with lots of indications that Gollum might consider suicide, that he has a noble spirit which would seek the Roman way out. In other words, take a lot of time to warp the Gollum character away from Tolkien's writings.
If this is not done, you are faced with deus ex machina: the character suddenly does something completely out of character to resolve the conflict in the story. This is the biggest mistake an author can make, unless they are Greek and are writing in 200 B.C. So in order to make this small change, PJ would have to devote significant parts of his cinematic 3 hours to build up to Gollum as the tragic hero instead of Gollum as the tragic villain.
That's what I think. I still don't think that this is a bad idea, and perhaps the original Gollum character might have been better with this suggestion. However, posting it to Slashdot isn't the same as jumping in your time machine to 1940's Britain, shouldering C.S. Lewis out of the way and saying "Ronald! I've got this great idea for your book!" :-)
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I'm afraid reading the books won't give you much insight on what you'll see in Return of the King. About the only thing Jackson's film has in common with the book are hobbits and a gold circle he calls the One Ring.
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I loved the extra scenes from FotR, because they added parts of the book that have been removed to make the movie shorter.
Unfortunately for Two Towers, the movie version is so different that the book, extra scenes won't do anything to fix all the story changes already made. Those story changes are one of the main reasons I did not like TT much.
If you read the Silmarillion, you'll find that the creator, Iluvatar, created two races, Elves, the firstborn, and Men. The elves were very powerful beings (even before going to the undying lands), but they were immortal. Men were given the gift of mortality.
The Silmarillion makes it clear that this is a major and very fundamental disctinction between the two races and plays a large part in the final destiny of each. It also makes it clear that mortality is A Big Thing. A great gift, and it is only the fear and ignorance of man that have turned it into a thing of terror. It is said that even the elves will come to envy the Gift of Men as the ages wear on.
Therefore, when elves and men marry and have offspring, it becomes essential to see which inheritance they will receive: The inheritance of the elves, or the gift of men and the inheritance reserved for them?
The Valar gave the half-elves the choice as to which inheritence they would receive.
Those who chose mortality were, nonetheless, granted a longer life than normal men.
And to the person who made comments on racial purity. The Numenoreans were beings of power, not so much because of their ancestors, but because of their proximity to the Valar, and their faithfulness to the Valar.
The line of Numenor dwindled not because of time passing, but because of their disobedience to the Valar, their pride, and their eventual assault on the undying lands.
Tolkien was a devout Catholic, and he works many Catholic Christian themes into his LOTR books, esp. the Silmarillion backstory.
You can tell a great deal about the character of a man by observing those who hate him.
When Elves die, they go to the Halls of Mandos, on Arda (earth), where they wait for the end of the world. Elves truly are immortal, in that even if you slay them, they still exist in some form on Arda until the end.
It is different for the race of Men. When Men die, they do not go to the Halls of Mandos... I don't remember exactly what happens to them, but I think that nobody else on Arda did either. It was just said that they would have some part to play "in the end".
So I think that this was the reason that they had to choose, because Mandos wanted to be sure what would happen when they die.
By the way, Dwarves were never really meant to exist. One of the Valar, Aule (deity who made things of metal and stone), in slight defiance of Eru (The Creator) made the Dwarves that would enjoy the things that he did. I think that it is said that they "return to the stone" or something like that when they die.
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- In the book all female characters except Galadriel were footnotes...
I would hardly call Eowyn a footnote, given that she's one of the most pivotal characters in the books.Or it could be that you just have a thing for pointy ears... ;)
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I think he was referring to the flames coming out of the ground. (Took me a second viewing to figure that out.)
"Don't follow the lights. Careful now, or Hobbits go down to join the dead ones and light little candles of their own."