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Pioneer To Release TiVo/DVD Burner Combo
TK-421 writes "According to an official Pioneer press release, 'Pioneer is revolutionizing home video recording with the introduction of the world's first DVD recorders featuring the TiVo service. These new recorders offer consumers the control provided by the easy-to-use TiVo service integrated with advanced DVD recording for the option of short-term storage on a hard drive or long-term archival of broadcast programming on DVD-R/RW discs.'" The options include both 80 and 120GB models, starting at a not-inexpensive $1199, and there's more information via a CNET News article.
... someone sues them for copyright infringement. The voting boot is open.
But please be quick: you can only vote while no litigation has been announced.
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The options include both 80 and 120GB models, starting at a not-inexpensive $1199, and there's more information via a CNET News article.
not-inexpensive? I know slashdot editors aim for obscurity, but what's wrong with "expensive"?
No, you can't. I've seen the systems and they are pathetic in comparison to a £200 tivo.
It's like buying a replica ferrari, it may look like a good idea but it doesn't have the performance.
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Why can't anyone make what consumers want?
Tivo would be great if it didn't require on-going charges (and doesn't allow anyone to screw around with the installed software).
Throwing a DVD burner into the mix is a great step-up, but only if there is some way to edit the program before burning it... I don't want to have a copy for 50 years on DVD that starts with the end of the program before it, has commercial breaks in the middle, etc. It wouldn't take much work to give editing functionality (even if edited content must be burned to DVD and can't be watched from the hard drive, I can live with that.)
So, when are we going to see some such system? Or are we going to have to wait until someone releases a distro that does all this on PC hardware?
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... since if I had not just bought a Tivo last week, and a DVD recorder the month before, this would never have happened.
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But more powerfull ... and older...
The first is already known by a lot of people
fujitsu-siemens Activy and work under XP embbed.
The second is less known and the site is not in english but it works really well. Dreambox and run under Linux !
I'd have thought that by now people would have started building the thing into the actual sets. It somehow seems more logical to do it that way than combine it with a DVD player.
This is a great idea, but it really depends on how well the implement the DVD burning from the harddrive.. This will need to have editing options to cut out commercials.. and that will bringe a whole wave of trouble onto the makers... replay TV fiasco, anyone? The real ticket would be fully editable shows, networking capability (at least 1394... that would be neat.. would encourage people to buy this instead of just a stand alone DVD recorder) Transfering all those babylon 5 SVCDs to this then burning them would be pretty sweet...
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Didn't one of the PVR's remove a feature to share recordings between networked PVR's for fear of MPAA lawsuits? This isn't even restricted to the same kind of machines. Now you can record movies off of showtime/hbo automatically and burn them to dvd. I wonder what MPAA will do about this.
Now if they added commercial skipping and the ability to burn commercial skipped shows to dvd, that would be really pushing things. Hopefully my homebrew PVR box will have a DVD burner soon, and it will be able to do this.
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I've seen the systems and they are pathetic in comparison to a £200 tivo. It's like buying a replica ferrari, it may look like a good idea but it doesn't have the performance.
Well, Tivos are not available in all countries, so systems like MythTV provide at least a subset of the functionality of a Tivo, which is better than nothing at all.
Personally, I'm fairly happy with MythTV. It is certainly much more convenient than a VCR for recording (just select the show from the EPG), and the ability to pause live is a great bonus as well.
When Tivos are released in Australia, I will ceratinly consider getting one. But until then, MythTV is good enough for me.
That's just not true... Tivo is practically just regular PC hardware.
All that is needed is much better _software_, and we should all know that can be done.
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It sounds like a good idea, but most TiVo users who wanted to have more space or convert their collection to DVD have already figured out how to do so with minimal investment (TiVoNet, DVD-R, hard drive) -- much less than the price of this new TiVo.
Another reason I wouldn't buy one is that I know the HDTV-based models are due out sometime in the near future, so investing $1,200 in something that will be obsolete in 1-2 years seems like a bad idea.
Still, it's nice for brand new users who have never owned a PVR and don't know how to use telnet.
The biggest difference my parents are aware of is they can't fast-forward the copyright warnings on DVDs...
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Just a thought ...
What would it take to have a TiVo-like service for radio stations, that could be programmed to record all songs by a certain artist, or from an album, or one DJ'd by someone ... (analogous to Kazaalite choice of Song, Album, and User)
Could we then burn these songs on a DVD or CD from there ....
Many radio stations could release the playlist in advance to help in the recordings (aka TV listings) and in addition to the Clear Channel (go to hell) stations there could be many many many (maybe millions like kazaalite, or thousands like iTunes) of radio broadcasters ... broadcasting all the songs all the time ...
just a thought ....
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Both units are equipped to transfer old videotapes to longer-lasting DVD-R or DVD-RW discs for more permanent storage. By connecting a VCR via analog inputs to the DVD recorder, transferring content becomes a snap. Unlike videotape, DVD will not degrade over time when exposed to heat and humidity. Transferring home movies from tape to disc will preserve them for future generations. DVD-R discs are best for archiving because they are write-once discs (like CD-R) and cannot be accidentally erased. Once a consumer has transferred their videotape collection to DVD, the VCR is obsolete.
I wonder what they're doing about Macrovision with this feature. It would hardly be an improvement to copy a VHS casette to a DVD if there were messed up colours and wavy lines.
I don't see what this has to do with SCO. I read scodot.org for all the SCO news, not for some unrelated tosh about a piece of kit which is guaranteed to have the MPAA kicking your door down!
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Well, although this is a good step towards a proper convergance box, I want one with:
..and I suspect the second and third items there are not going to come from a commercial developer!
* DVD / CD burner
* XviD playback
* DVD -> XviD one-touch copying
* DVB tuner (DVB-T for me in the UK)
* OGG playback
* ACCURATE program schedule with PDC support.
* silent operation!
My only option is to build my own!!
myself, I'd be happy with a built in (S)VCD maker.
Cheap media, good enough for non HDTV stuff, I'd be happy.
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Instead of pandering to the MPAA, and watching sales never really take off, Pioneer has decided to submit a potentially profitable piece of hardware to the market.
Now if it had 30sec forward, I'd actually buy it.
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I know you're trolling, but
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Just quickly
- there are no tivo available in countries other than US and UK (canada ?).
- and the other PVR are currently at prices more in the 1000â range.
Maybe for people technically savvy enough to build their own PVR with some customized software,
- they don't need the ease of use of tivo
- they don't want to buy features and prefer instead more customized/eable solutions
I was also thinking that, but fed up of waiting for it and now that my mythtv system is build, guess I'll probably never buy a tivo.
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We have TiVo here in France.
Bonjour!
Alternativily I was thinking about purchasing a silent PC (such as the one at Tranquil PC) and installing MythTV on it, but I don't know how well it would work given that it's a hell of a lot more expensive than TiVo off eBay.
Also just looking at mini-itx.com I see something called OneBox. It looks to be running Windows but apparantly it allows you to run MAME on it too.
So, ignoring the waffle above - what i'm saying is
- Is TiVo still a viable option in the UK despite the fact there is no hardware manfacturers? (ie. could they just pull out at any time)
- Would a homebrew PVR be better? (it would have to be substantially given that it costs twice as much and requires work from me)
- Would the tranquil PC or other box mentioned in the preview
/. article be any good as a PVR? (processor power, graphics, IR, to name three things to think about)
- Would something like a onebox be better?
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not-inexpensive = not-in-unaffordable, and for now not-unimpractical to even consider using just to record TV shows.
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"not-in-unaffordable"? " not-unimpractical"?
Wow, I bet your English teacher loved you.
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Or are we going to have to wait until someone releases a distro that does all this on PC hardware?
Yes.
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If you are Big company you may create a DVD-BURNER. But if you just Linux Hacker, may sued by one of the these companies because of the writing DVD Decoding program...
Ummm... Capitalists.....
So, these kind of devices destroyes TV AD's revenue too, Perhaps Carl Marx right, those capitalists may kill each other...
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And since Thomson stopped making them a while back, there's no TiVos available in the UK, either (unless you want to trawl eBay and pay over the odds).
I believe there are limitations on what stations can do. This probably includes things like not posting a playlist in advance.
In australia I'm pretty sure it limits the number of songs from one artist (or is it album), you can play in a row. To stop people taping a whole album from radio etc.
Tivo + The Mac you already have with a Superdrive = Your shows on DVD.
Will this use TiVo's own closed file format or will disk created with TiVo/DVD Burner be playable with standard DVD-players?
... TiVo for radio?? Pfeh! In my day sonny you had to sit next to the radio, tape loaded and ready, hand poised over the record button, just waiting for that one song....erm... twenty miles uphill both ways in six feet of snow with your bare feet wrapped in barbed wire for traction all the while listening to the likes of Bananarama, Wham! or Milli Vanilli... Arrrgh!
No point in Canada last I looked - you just can't get the listings. Never seen a Tivo for sale here.
Bell Expressvu (Satellite company), offers a receiver with an integrated PVR which works very well (it'll even allow you to tape PPV stuff), 30 hour HDD, 1 hour buffer....I've been happy with it, although I think Tivo's have more bells and whistles.
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The standard Tivo (though not the unit talked about here) is a good value for the money. It would be hard or impossible to build a similar system for the same price. However, when you build your own system, you can go beyond what a Tivo can do. For example, HDTV -- I can pop an HDTV card in my computer and record; Tivo has no models with HDTV capability, though there may be one offered later this year. Plus, with a home-built, you can skip the monthly fee.
I think the only truly unique capability in a Tivo is the ability to record a DirecTV signal without reencoding. But that only applies to the DirecTivo models, which can't record anything BUT DirecTV.
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Someone should make a set-top-box thats a cross between:
A PC
A Games machine (perhaps)
A PVR
A DVD player/burner
Basicly, it would be a quiet-design, small-size PC with reasonable hardware and in a box that works well with your home entertainment box. Give it a USB thingo with a keyboard and trackball to use as input. And make it so you can plug in things like digital cameras, gamepads etc.
Then build in a ethernet port for network access and TV in/out for display and input of stuff.
And give it a big disk to store stuff
Also put in a DVD drive (perhaps with a DVD burner or one of those DVD drive/CD buruner combo) as options.
Build it around linux (because its free & its open, make all the software for this thing open) and bundle:
PVR software to make it work like a PVR
DVD player/burner software
Multimedia software so you can play audio, video and so on (by downloading it over the ethernet port or from CDs/DVDs containing audio or video data e.g. audio CDs, VCDs or whatever else the multimedia player supports.
So, basicly, this box would be usefull to:
1.record shows from the TV
2.play back the recorded shows
3.transfer the recorded shows over the ethernet link
4.burn the recorded shows to optical media (if you get the burner option)
5.watch DVDs, VCDs and whatever other video CD formats you want to install players for
6.watch video files in any format you have a player for
7.listen to Audio CDs and audio files in any format (being based on linux, supporting OGG for example would be dead simple)
You could also run anything else the hardware could support on it (for example, games or emulators).
Basicly, it would be a ready-made PC in a box designed to fit with an existing stereo, TV, VCR etc and capable of doing multimedia things. Would come with the software preinstalled and a nice GUI interface for the non-technical but those that know how could run anything from MAME to quake on it (if the hardware is up to it).
Pioneer makes a device which allows you to record television shows and movies to DVD from your cable network. How is this any different than me using the same cable network, to download and burn music to cd's? Movies can't be copyrighted? Am I gonna get a little cease and desist popup on my television now?
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Tivo is practically just regular PC hardware.
Yeah, except for the $200-300 specialty MPEG encoder. And yes, I know what's involved in a Mythtv box - for a dual tuner model, right now, it takes at least a 2000+ processor. And while it'll all get cheaper (and Isaac gets the hardware encoders working), so will this thing. I have a Panasonic DMR-HS2, and I absolutely love the thing. Provided this thing has a good implementation of the TiVo service, that is...
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It's not uncommon.
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According to the review it's not there quite yet, but it's on the way.
It is a shame they won't do this for the DirecTivo sat receiver.
However, since that would allow you to in effect grab the high-grade MPEG data stream the sat service puts out without any degradation, it is roughly as probable they release a DTivo with DVD (a DVDDTivo?) as Bill Gates giving RMS a big French^WFreedom Kiss.
(and you cannot easily use TivoNET to extract the video from a DTivo - it is stored in an encrypted form on the HD and is decrypted by hardware upon playback, and as far as I know nobody has created a module that will play the video back through the crypto chip then stream it to your computer. Additionally, while hacking the stand-alone Tivo's isn't much of a problem, the DTivos will overwrite any changes you make on the next reboot.)
So I just grab the video using my Firewire capture device, then encode it. One step of analog loss (and I can go throught SVideo if needed). Fair use lives (though is on life support).
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So what you're saying is that the two nations on the Earth who can get TiVo are the 'Cheese eating surrender monkies' and the 'Burger Munching war mongerers'
Does they both work to cancel each other out, thus there is no TiVo?
You mean encoder like this one ($149, includes TV tuner)?
It sucks not being able to save a recorded show. I've even tried hooking up my video camera to the TiVo but the picture is scrambled on my video camera. I haven't figured that one out yet.
Does that mean just the stuff that comes over the airwaves, or will it include cable transmissions, too?
*yawn* - could be too early ... my coffee hasn't been fully-absorbed yet. :)
<theory>I'm sure that Hollywood (MPAA, etc) will force this device to comply with the flag system they'll use with digital cable (flag for no record at all, flag for record short-term only or a flag for full record -- guess which one will be the default? ;)).</theory>
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Hopefully building your own PVR, free from digital restrictions management systems will become more popular, Tivo will be useless because everyone will make their own or buy a normal PC that does it (without the restrictions). Then you can add funky things like free TV listings, and groups of people on the net who send signals when adverts start and stop so your PVR can automatically deal with them (i.e get rid of them). Hopefully we can completely drag commercial networks under by 2006, destroy the MPAA and RIAA by 2007 and look forward to a media free society by 2008 watching reruns of quincy :)
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... you can download the ISOs of your favorite TV programs (from any number of websites or P2P networks), burn it to CD with your existing burner (VCD format), then toss it in your fairly-new DVD player and watch it on TV? Savings: $1200.
Granted, the biggest issue here is sophistication: you need to know how to convert the media to VCD or whatever, how to burn files to CD-R, where to go to get the ISOs, etc. But as with all things, Linux especially, the more technically savvy you are, the less dependent you are on commercial software.
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Two things to be said... First off, I know many ATI All-in-Wonder cards do much processor off-loading, and they are well less than $200. Second, MPEG encoding is just a matter of CPU power, and my 800MHz Athlon could probably do MPEG2 encoding in realtime at 640x480. If not, it's very close to being able to. You don't need a AMD XP 2000+ unless you want to do realtime MPEG4 encoding...
I happen to have just gotten an AMD Athlon-XP 2000+ chip for $65, and the Asus mobo with it was $62. $18 for 128MB DDR RAM, $40 for video capture, $30 for VGA+TV-out, and $5 for a cheap ethernet card.
With that $220+HDD, you've got a system that outdoes the highest-end Tivos. If you maybe wanted to get a mobo cheaper than the Asus, you could save $20, and make it an even $200 (personally, I think $20 more for a great mobo with 3year warranty is money well spent, but to each his own). Those estimates are also very conservative, you can certainly find each component even cheaper.
So, the only thing lacking with that system is the hardware to make all that work like a Tivo, and MythTV/Freevo doesn't cut it yet, although they do surpass Tivo in some areas.
Now that I've said all this, I'll disregard it all, because it's really besides the point... The cost of setting up all the software is significantly prohibitive, until somebody makes a custom distro that will work without hours upon hours of effort.
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I have a Replay TV 5040 and a PC with DVArchive software and a DVD+R/RW drive. The DVArchive software transfers the mpg files off the RTV every night and stores them on the PC. I can then edit the file with any mpg editing tool and burn to a DVD.
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By the way, TIVO is not available in Canada; and now I know why; those bacon-eating wimps canâ(TM)t have TIVO, only countries that invade Iraq can.
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You are surrendering to a french??? What are you, canadian?
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Hmm, aren't you forgetting something:
- 50$ per month for your internet connection is 600$ per year
- finding, downloading, checking, burning takes a lot of time. I for one value my free time.
- VCD quality is a lot worse than VHS.
It would be nice if they came out with a version that worked with DirecTV...
MPAA lawyers just joined every cable and broadcast network's lawyers in filing a class action suit againt Tivo...
Great. Now all you have to do is hire someone to enter programming information once a day specific to your provider.
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The recording of broadcast material (read news/live/tv/movies) by the home/consumer market is explicitly permitted* by the Sony v. Universal ruling [464 US 417 (1984)]. Therefore the MPAA doesn't have a foot to stand on if they attack PVR's which carry features qualitatively equivalent to that available on the VHS platform.
The issue with PVR's which go a step further to redistribute content to other users on the network is that in redistributing the content in a non-physical form to persons with whom you have loose if any affiliations opens up the end user for copyright infringement proceedings. Burning a DVD and redistributing the content doesn't carry the same issues or implecations as such use is effectively legalized by the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 and Sony v. Universal as this is seen as private non-commercial redistribution (such as sharing an Audio Tape or CD among friends).
Again, regarding adding features such as commercial skipping and burning commercial skipped shows to dvd (as the parent post requested), I highly doubt the addition of these features due to the chance, and high incentive, of advertisers then challenging whether or not the device is covered by Sony v. Universal or the AHRA of 1992. No longer is the device merely time-shifting or media-shifting the content, it is altering the content which is not explicitly covered (As far as I know).
* Note: Ok technically an action is not permitted or legalized by a court ruling, but such wording prevented me from saying: as is established as precedent by the case
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You can pull this off for less than half the price
by building a Mythtv box.
There have been some stories about Tivo licensing their software in a 'lite' version which lops off some of the functionality (wishlists, season passes and only 3 days of guide data) to electronics manufacturers but doesn't cost anything.
I wonder if the Pioneer device is using FULL Tivo software or if its just the lite version. I would think that Tivo would find life a little hot under the collar if they started offering more automated archival options for programming under the full Tivo banner.
Or have Tivo decided to do something to counteract this by using nonstandard disk formats, ultra-low bitrates, no a/b editing, or even CSS encryption or other gimmicks to make the DVD copies less than desirable?
If I like the simpsons, I should be able to select 'simpsons' from a menu of this season's TV and have it downloaded to my box whenever a new one is released.
By using sensible proxying, relaying etc they would not need much more bandwidth than they already use for TV. If they ran it on a closed hardware platform then they wouldn't have any of the concerns associated with putting the shows on the 'net, since it would be a private network only accessible by their hardware much as the current cable system is (okay, so you can crack the cable TV system and get free movies, but how many people actually bother, as a percentage?)
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What makes most of them pathetic is the complexity of the software. TiVo's software is limited but does its assigned job well.
If you don't want to build a super-TiVo from scratch but like the idea of hacking your own changes and additions, you may want to look at Telly. It's built off a Linux base but you get the hardware and software package already integrated and ready to go.
Mr. Garrison's working for Apple now?
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Toshiba will also release a similar recorder for $599 as well as a player/tivo device for only $299. http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/news/newsarticle.asp?n ewsid=107
DirecTivo + Turbonet ethernet adapter + your choice of extraction tools (MSFTP, Tytool, Tystudio) + your DVD authoring/burning tool of choice.
That said... its a fair number of steps (although getting less each day) and is definately beyond the technical means of your average "Joe."
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I keep seeing posts about using MythTV instead of Tivo, then posts about hardware costs... What's stopping us from loading MythTV on a Tivo box with whatever other mods we want?
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It costs too much to throw all the features we want into a PVR box. The PVR should cost less than $500.
The right answer is the ReplayTV strategy, where a PC can download, edit, archive, and upload media to/from the ReplayTV box. As a bonus, ReaplyTV can access and play media residing on a PC, without having to plug your PC directly into the TV.
PVR's should focus on quality A/V digitizing and output. The PC can handle the rest.
Sort of like a video camera vs. a PC -- you wouldn't try editing your vids with your camera, now would you?
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most TiVo users who wanted to have more space or convert their collection to DVD have already figured out how to do so with minimal investment (TiVoNet, DVD-R, hard drive)
I suppose you think "most" = you and your friends.
Of the people I know with Tivos, including myself, about half have upgraded the hard drive. And none of them have set up video offloading, because we don't have the time to maintain such a cumbersome hack.
The half that haven't upgraded are generally our parents, who think the Tivo is the coolest thing ever, and would gladly buy a new unit instead of voiding the warentee.
Still, it's nice for brand new users who have never owned a PVR and don't know how to use telnet.
Which describes 249 Million Americans who don't own a PVR yet pretty well. I think they have a killer product on their hands, although it is a bit pricy.
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Umm, maybe if you have absolutely no internet connection at all...
Freevo happens to use XMLTV to suck it's guide off the web, I'm not sure what MythTV uses. In any case, there are hundreds of sites on the web that provide online TV-guides.
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The target audience for this product is clearly not current TiVo users--it is people who basically want a DVD recorder whom TiVo hopes to seduce into shelling out another few hundred bucks (or sign up for a monthly plan) to get access to the full set of TiVo features. Existing TiVo owners would be more likely to just buy a bare-bones DVD recorder and hook it up to their current TiVo.
I wonder if TiVo will offer their $100 Home Media Option to owners of the DVD/TiVo unit. This would make it very attractive to me. I wouldn't be willing to shell out $300 (or pay a monthly fee) for the full service package plus another $100 for HMO. But just the HMO would make this unit very attractive. I could have it in another room, transfer programs that I want to record to it over my home network from my existing TiVo, and also use it to listen to music and view photos from my computer.
your mom has a nice set top and a nice box too.
Does that price include a couple years service, or the cost of lifetime service?
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I'll be looking for it.
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not-inexpensive = not-in-unaffordable, and for now not-unimpractical to even consider using just to record TV shows.
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Basically it comes down to wether or not you want what you are writing to be understood by the vast majority of the people who are reading it. You can dance around rules, style, and interpretation all day, but if in the end only half of your audience easily understood what you meant to convey, you failed in your job as a writer.
You're right, but the problem is that the original construction "not inexpensive" is not only a standard one, it is, in fact, clearly recognizable as understatement by any reader at more than a 10th grade level.
It's simple. It's a way of saying "expensive" with a bit of subtlety, while also inferring that, while it's not cheap, it's not necessarily overpriced either.
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Commercial skipping like on some VCRs?
Unless you are recording on a DirecTiVo, the source is analog. I don't see how this makes it any different from recording a song on the radio to a CD. Just because it was recorded on a CD doesn't make it as good as a prerecorded CD.
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Specs: Hmmm... I'll have to copy your list.
But as for the All-in-Wonders - they're not there yet, linux-wise. I tried 3-4 months ago using the OS driver that they're working on, but the All-in-Wonders are an ugly, ugly beast. Best to do the encoding elsewhere, or buy a better card. Most people on the list are using the Hauppage, which needs a good processor.
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Yes, I'm well aware of what a huge hassle GATOS is, and that TV-out is unsupported (and completely non-functional), check out my other posts on the Gentoo fork story, or the Tivo+DVD-R story.
They aren't the only cards that can be used though. The $40 TV-capture card listed was a standard Brooktree BT878 card, which works anywhere and everywhere, but doesn't have onboard encoding. I'm sure I could find one fairly cheap, but it's really not necessary. Most people would rather do MPEG4 encoding anyhow. The AMD 2000+ is fast enough to do that in realtime, and I don't know of any hardware MPEG4 encoding cards just yet.
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Yeah, I have two of the BT cards. The catch is that I'm going after a dual-tuner solutions. According to Isaac, an Athlon 1800+ can "almost" record two shows and play a third. Not sure what the MPEG4 CPU usage is vs. the MPEG2, though.
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