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Mozilla 1.4 Released
Phil writes "MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The new version is pretty similar to today's Netscape 7.1, which is based on the same code, but lacks Netscape's proprietary features. More information can be found in the release notes. The release can be downloaded from mozilla.org's releases page or via FTP. From here on, mozilla.org's focus shifts to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird." The official release news is now up on Mozilla's main page, so let the downloading begin.
Sexy, finally I can trash that old Netscape 7.1 installation!
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Earlier there was an article on netscape.... now one on mozilla.
;)
That's too much browser info to digest in one day. Get some PS2 articles in here.
Just installed the windows version: release notes don't require an uninstall of previous versions (in my case 1.3.1) but V1.4 barfed every time it started until I had rebooted and uninstalled 1.3.1. Seems fine since though
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This is a very big addition. Some of the intranet sites I use require NTLM to access and I was never able to use Mozilla.
not to be an ass, but is it really news worthy every time Moz makes a release? Didn't we get headlines for 1.4 RC2 and RC3? I use moz exclusively, but even I don't think it's news worthy everytime Moz has a new release (reminds me of the nightly releases news for Phoenix a while back).
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Damn, I was so close to get a post on the front page... anyways glad to see a new release from everybody's favorite browser (after konqueror, opera, lynks and telnet to port 80)
Like mandatory pop-ups...
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As was pointed out to me in the recent Netscape 7.1 story, Mozilla 1.4 final is the same code as Mozilla RC3. (Check the "about:" page to see the idential release date.) So if you have RC3 installed, you can safely leave it there without worrying about major changes.
This release is the same thing as 1.4rc3. Log on to their FTP site and compare file sizes. Even the Windows installer says "1.4.0.2003062408".
If you already installed 1.4rc3, don't bother wasting your time with 1.4 final.
When the sun explodes.
When I noticed that 1.4 had been released (in the comments for the Netscape 7.1 story) I figured I'd give Mozilla another try under Windows.
I was amazed.
Mozilla 1.4 is noticeably faster than previous versions under Windows, and seems on-par with Opera 7. For a while, I was running Opera 7 for browsing and Thunderbird for mail... I think now I'm going back to Mozilla for both.
Once the xft-enabled RPMs are up for Red Hat 9, I'll give it a try on that OS as well, but, as I said, speed didn't seem to be an issue there to begin with.
Bravo, Mozilla. Firebird is certainly fast, but some people like the integration of the web/e-mail programs, and it's nice to see a speed boost for us as well.
We do not guarantee that any source code or executable code available from the mozilla.org domain is Year 2000 compliant.
We've been in the year 2000 for a while now. How can an organization continue to release code that has not been tested to comply with four digit dates? This seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
rpms normally are available 3 days after the initial release so dont despair =)
That's the classic 0x610f0769 bug.
Increment by 1 so it reads 0x610f0770.
Results may vary.
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I just installed Netscape 7.1 :-(
/me bursts into tears because his browser is out of date.
Mozilla is one of the 'pillars' of OSS software, along with GCC, the Linux kernel, KDE, GNOME, and Apache (I'm probably forgetting some too). It's important to hype it up and keep us informed so we can test and push the technology. If we were all still using Mozilla 1.0 there wouldn't _BE_ a 1.4 release for a LONG time.
Slashdot is the appropriate place to make such release announcements. If you don't like them taking up space here, turn off mozilla stories in your prefs, if you want to track Mozilla closer turn on the Mozilla slashbox.
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Maybe when Microsoft integrates Mozilla into the OS. Most of what makes up IE loads when Windows starts, due to MS making IE the default interface to every fricken part of the OS. Double-clicking on the "e" icon simply loads the last 10% or so (prob not even that).
You can use "Quickstart" in Mozilla or NS to enable to same behavior, but honestly I find the whole idea of an app sucking up RAM when you aren't using it to be pretty stupid. Like leaving your car running all night just so you don't have to waste the 5 seconds in the morning to start it.
I mean, really: compare the startup time to how long you spend actually ON THE NET. Do a few seconds really matter??? Isn't it nice to close it and have it be GONE FROM MEMORY (unlike IE)?
Anybody here have an idea how long we'll have to wait for GTK2 builds? I'm spoiled by the 1.4RC1 GTK2 build on RH9.
I know, it's a tough job, but some site in the open source community needs to take this on. Now some of you might say this gets in the way of actual news, but I don't think there's actually that much risk of that here. If it pushes another Anime story off the front page, I think that's a risk I'm willing to take just to make sure that I have the latest version of Mozilla available to me. And I'm sure the rest of you will agree, once you see the new vision for slashdot's software section, which will soon greatly boost our daily story posting, as well as provide reviews of all the software, and meaningless license debates, which will surely degenerate into GPL misunderstandings and anti-BSD flamewars, and more zealotry! As you can plainly see, everybody wins.
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Too bad, so sad. Moz 1.4 is fulla da bugs.
:)
Within 1 minute, I found that it's listing sans-serif fonts as serif, and serif fonts as sans-serif. Yikes.
Also some weirdness in the toolbar buttons with vertical alignment. (Back & Forward buttons 'valigned' to the top, whilst Reload & Stop buttons are on the bottom). Bizarro.
At least this is the FIRST time a Mozilla release has actually NOT decided to make itself the default browser in spite of my always telling it not to. One bug fixed, yay!
"MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
What the fsck! Are the editors even awake! Come one guys, read the damn article! There is nothing in the article that says it's released for those systems, especially not the implication that it's released JUST for those systems. Mozilla 1.4 has been released for all platforms!
The systems that Mozilla 1.4 work on are: Linux (all architectures), GNU/HURD, IRIX, Tru4, BSD/OS, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Windows, OSX, OS/2, BeOS. There are probably others systems as well...
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Firebird has much beter a startup time than Mozilla does at the moment.
The new version is pretty similar to today's Netscape 7.1, which is based on the same code, but lacks Netscape's proprietary features.
Uhh... and it's a bad thing that Mozilla lacks these "features"? I personally like Mozilla with less crap. Oh well. To each their own...
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1) I still find an occasional page that renders incorrectly. Or maybe what its actually doing is rendering correctly due to spec compliance. But I don't really care what the problem is, I just want them to always render like other browsers.
2) There are weird problems with keyboard keys not working right sometimes. For example, occasionally if I click in the document that has been displayed, the arrow keys will not move the page. Or in forms the home/end keys, etc. dont work. It seems like these events aren't being captured, although I can't find any consistent way to cause it.
3) When I view my rental queue in Netflix, Mozilla crashes completely. This is the biggest problem...other things are just irritating, but I can't get rid of IE while this still happens. Again, maybe Netflix is using improper javascript or something. But, my perspective as a user is only "does it work." In any case, the browser should be able to handle nasty code in a way that doesn't cause a complete crash even if it infinite loops or something.
Despite these kinds of annoyances, I am going to stick with Mozilla. I love tabbed browsing, and I really like being able to bookmark a set of tabs that I may want open for reference while working on a project. 1.3 was the first version I started using regularly because my form filler/password manager finally supported Mozilla, and with googlebar all my needs are met.
I guess I'll go see now if 1.4 has addressed any of these issues...
Mods, I appreciate the effort, but this stuff is not funny.
It's true.
Now where is that Spike pr0n search plugin? Spike Lee sued the author.
I'll go ahead and stick my neck out: It may be newer to Netscape rather than Mozilla, but I can't tell you how much I love little things like "Find As You Type"... This is kinda second-nature stuff to those of us who commonly use vi & co..... to find a link, if the browser has focus, just type a word to find a link containing that word, or "/" followed by the word to search the text. Bad part: "/" + "Enter" won't go ahead and look for the next word, instead you have to do "Ctl+G" or "F3"... bah! No regexp support either, at least as far as I know.... maybe not useful for a ton of users, but wouldn't it rock?
What you are seeing is the correct (well, intended) behavior. There have been issues with favicons/site icons for some time, since before 1.0. They've been pulled out, put back in, and pulled out again. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113574 goes over most of the issues, and can point you at most of the other relevant bugs.
As I recall, however, Mozilla Firebird *does* do favicons in the bookmark menu.
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
Is anyone at Mozilla working on a quirks mode for Word- or Excel-generated HTML? Don't even think about Powerpoint!
Actually, there is a spellchecker available for Mozilla - http://spellchecker.mozdev.org. It's planned to be included into Mozilla at some point - hopefully soon.
:)
However, no AOL icons available, sorry.
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
Nope, still font weirdness, though it is different now. There are a mix of serif and sans-serif fonts in each listing, though the columns are still mislabeled, and I have to have it select 'serif' fonts to get the 'sans serif' font I want.
The button label weirdness is, however, gone. Yay! Thanks for the advice. I'm temping on a piece of crap laptop and it had some old profiles laying around (though not Moz itself). Whew, stinky.
So, it's still got problems, and the installation of Moz is still pretty ridiculous if things like this can occur. What's it gonna take to get this stuff fixed? These problems have been around since the beginning of the project! Unbelievable. No wonder MS thinks they can get away with not updating IE anymore. *shaking head*
Is there an IRIX version of either Mozilla 1.4 or Netscape 7.1 (as they use basicly the same code base)? I see that there are some links to some older builds of 1.4 and to a nightly build from May, but I can't seem to find 1.4 final. Would be nice to run the latest browser on my cheap "ebay special" Octane.
Nope. That's an urban legend that's nice to spread around, but it's nothing more than FUD. If you don't have the fancy crap enabled int the shell and don't open any other components (or third party apps) that use the HTML parser/viewer, the first time you click on that "e" icon you load 90% of it (excluding libs already used by the rest of the system, like common controls. On Windows there's no GTK/LessTif/Motif/Yadda to contend with).
I dare you, like I've done before, to show me a single Windows process (excluding the web crap) that has MSHTML and WININET loaded after a clean boot finishes.
Do a few seconds really matter???
Well, I'd wager that if IE loaded slowly this conversation would be very different, but because we're talking about Mozilla, a few seconds don't matter. And BTW, that's the only thing I personally dislike about Mozilla. Other than that it's a great browser.
Any good ideas for how to fix this?
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I hate to say that the Emperor has no clothes, but ...
I haven't bothered to update from Moz 1.2.1 because it works and I am happy with it. I don't see how the browser (the only portion I use) has improved significantly. From the 1.3.x and 1.4 release notes, it seems most improvements have come to the newsgroups/mail.
As for Firebird (a.k.a. the browser formerly known as Phoenix), is it just me or is this the most IE-clone, kiddie like browser. I know we're all supposed to say how much better Firebird is, but I don't feel like an adult while using it. Most of the settings are only reachable (unless I am missing something) from the about:config screen. The preferences (under the Tools menu, just like IE) is so icon centric. Maybe Firebird is trying to reach out to the mom/pop crowd, but could I have an option to put it in advanced mode? In addition, NONE of my XUL/XPI/whatever plug-ins/skins work. The plug-ins and tabs are what makes Moz worth running in my opinion.
Yeah, the bloat comments have legitimacy, but I have HDD and CPU speed to waste (except when gaming). The only thing I am concerned about is the way Win Moz 1.2.1 seems to memory-leak.
Given this is an AC post, it's probably a troll but I'll bite. I disagree with you wholeheartedly.
If you want to use IE, Opera, or Konqueror, good for you. However, I roll my own Mozilla, have several code changes that I wrote (wallet and javascript functionality) and some 3rd party diff patches (spellchecker and menu enhancements). I optimize the hell out of the code using every compiler option available to me and it takes just shy of 20 minutes to compile. The result? My self-built Mozilla puts IE and Opera to shame for speed and flexibility. Memory use is slightly higher (~20M) but for 10M I have the Ferrari of browsers, customized and faster even than Opera 6 when it was at it's peak. On a reasonably fast site like Yahoo, uncached pages render a full second faster than in IE 6.0 (under W98/Win4Lin) and about 1/2 second faster than Opera 6. Now, compiling code is not for everybody but if you know how, you cannot beat Mozilla.
Also, you're confusing contributors and those with CVS write access. AOL controls almost all the CVS write accounts but there are PLENTY of unpaid non-AOL contributors who submit code to be checked-in. While I'm at it, Bugzilla was created because the original Netscape developers hated the 3rd party bug tracking system used there. So, to correct your parting shot: "Bugzilla - because 3rd party closed source bug tracking systems are so crappy."
Now, let me turn the tables. Have you looked at the code? Have you ever compiled the code? If not, then I'd counter that even you don't know why you aren't using Mozilla.
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This easter egg has existed since the Netscape/Mozilla 0.9.x days, but it's still neat. Type "about:mozilla" in the address box and see what comes up...
Try it in IE too. You get something rather cryptic, to say the least... No, I don't know what it means either.
Maybe you've got an entry for "general.useragent.override" in your prefs.js in your profile? That way you can even make Mozilla pretend it's IE in it's about screen.
If you find such a line, you can just safely delete it, and your user agent string should be back to normal.
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Thanks, "Windows." That was a really "useful" error "message."
"I'm" "writing" "random" "stuff" "here" "just" "so" "I" "can" "put" "quotes" "around" "each" "word".
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See comment #5 at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208205 #c5 ... It worked for me. :)
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I don't like to criticize Mozilla but they seem to be more concerned in adding flashy cool features like theme handling and smooth scrolling, rather than features that actually provide useful functionality like, for instance, a context menu item to copy images to the clipboard, or flash blocking.