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Mozilla 1.4 Released
Phil writes "MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux. The new version is pretty similar to today's Netscape 7.1, which is based on the same code, but lacks Netscape's proprietary features. More information can be found in the release notes. The release can be downloaded from mozilla.org's releases page or via FTP. From here on, mozilla.org's focus shifts to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird." The official release news is now up on Mozilla's main page, so let the downloading begin.
Sexy, finally I can trash that old Netscape 7.1 installation!
Support bacteria, it's the only culture some people have
when will this be available in Debian STABLE?
Earlier there was an article on netscape.... now one on mozilla.
;)
That's too much browser info to digest in one day. Get some PS2 articles in here.
Just installed the windows version: release notes don't require an uninstall of previous versions (in my case 1.3.1) but V1.4 barfed every time it started until I had rebooted and uninstalled 1.3.1. Seems fine since though
The future is here. It's just not evenly distributed yet. -- William Gibson
This is a very big addition. Some of the intranet sites I use require NTLM to access and I was never able to use Mozilla.
not to be an ass, but is it really news worthy every time Moz makes a release? Didn't we get headlines for 1.4 RC2 and RC3? I use moz exclusively, but even I don't think it's news worthy everytime Moz has a new release (reminds me of the nightly releases news for Phoenix a while back).
YOU SUCK BALLS!
Damn, I was so close to get a post on the front page... anyways glad to see a new release from everybody's favorite browser (after konqueror, opera, lynks and telnet to port 80)
Do those other 8500 other webbrowsers have a cool lizzard as their mascot ?
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
W2K, just installed it. Attempt to launch it and...
mozilla.exe - Application Error
The instruction at "0x610f0769" referenced memory at "0x4349656f". The memory could not be "read".
Click on OK to terminate the program
Click on CANCEL to debug the program
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Like mandatory pop-ups...
"Linux is a serious competitor"
- Steve Ballmer, Chief Executive Microsoft Corp.
As was pointed out to me in the recent Netscape 7.1 story, Mozilla 1.4 final is the same code as Mozilla RC3. (Check the "about:" page to see the idential release date.) So if you have RC3 installed, you can safely leave it there without worrying about major changes.
This release is the same thing as 1.4rc3. Log on to their FTP site and compare file sizes. Even the Windows installer says "1.4.0.2003062408".
If you already installed 1.4rc3, don't bother wasting your time with 1.4 final.
When I noticed that 1.4 had been released (in the comments for the Netscape 7.1 story) I figured I'd give Mozilla another try under Windows.
I was amazed.
Mozilla 1.4 is noticeably faster than previous versions under Windows, and seems on-par with Opera 7. For a while, I was running Opera 7 for browsing and Thunderbird for mail... I think now I'm going back to Mozilla for both.
Once the xft-enabled RPMs are up for Red Hat 9, I'll give it a try on that OS as well, but, as I said, speed didn't seem to be an issue there to begin with.
Bravo, Mozilla. Firebird is certainly fast, but some people like the integration of the web/e-mail programs, and it's nice to see a speed boost for us as well.
lacks Netscape's proprietary features
Such as a spell checker and AOL icons?
We do not guarantee that any source code or executable code available from the mozilla.org domain is Year 2000 compliant.
We've been in the year 2000 for a while now. How can an organization continue to release code that has not been tested to comply with four digit dates? This seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
rpms normally are available 3 days after the initial release so dont despair =)
I like the fact there have been three decent downloads in the past week...Mozilla, Netscape, and Safari. It kind of kills the argument "well of course Mozilla is faster, it was just released and Netscape has been around for the past few months". It'll make it easier to actual performance tests for similar products released all around the same time.
Good googly I have a lot of downloading to do tonight when I get home...
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts...for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang
joke BTW
Do website icons work for anybody the way I think they should work? I get the website icon in the URL bar, on the tab itself, but NOT in my bookmark list, which seems to contradict what the HELP file says. Can anyone confirm this?
Get a BitTorrent download here!
I just installed Netscape 7.1 :-(
/me bursts into tears because his browser is out of date.
Mozilla is one of the 'pillars' of OSS software, along with GCC, the Linux kernel, KDE, GNOME, and Apache (I'm probably forgetting some too). It's important to hype it up and keep us informed so we can test and push the technology. If we were all still using Mozilla 1.0 there wouldn't _BE_ a 1.4 release for a LONG time.
Slashdot is the appropriate place to make such release announcements. If you don't like them taking up space here, turn off mozilla stories in your prefs, if you want to track Mozilla closer turn on the Mozilla slashbox.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
Wow, sitting here using Mozilla to check my MS Outlook webmail. How nice it is...
Maybe when Microsoft integrates Mozilla into the OS. Most of what makes up IE loads when Windows starts, due to MS making IE the default interface to every fricken part of the OS. Double-clicking on the "e" icon simply loads the last 10% or so (prob not even that).
You can use "Quickstart" in Mozilla or NS to enable to same behavior, but honestly I find the whole idea of an app sucking up RAM when you aren't using it to be pretty stupid. Like leaving your car running all night just so you don't have to waste the 5 seconds in the morning to start it.
I mean, really: compare the startup time to how long you spend actually ON THE NET. Do a few seconds really matter??? Isn't it nice to close it and have it be GONE FROM MEMORY (unlike IE)?
Anybody here have an idea how long we'll have to wait for GTK2 builds? I'm spoiled by the 1.4RC1 GTK2 build on RH9.
I know, it's a tough job, but some site in the open source community needs to take this on. Now some of you might say this gets in the way of actual news, but I don't think there's actually that much risk of that here. If it pushes another Anime story off the front page, I think that's a risk I'm willing to take just to make sure that I have the latest version of Mozilla available to me. And I'm sure the rest of you will agree, once you see the new vision for slashdot's software section, which will soon greatly boost our daily story posting, as well as provide reviews of all the software, and meaningless license debates, which will surely degenerate into GPL misunderstandings and anti-BSD flamewars, and more zealotry! As you can plainly see, everybody wins.
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Too bad, so sad. Moz 1.4 is fulla da bugs.
:)
Within 1 minute, I found that it's listing sans-serif fonts as serif, and serif fonts as sans-serif. Yikes.
Also some weirdness in the toolbar buttons with vertical alignment. (Back & Forward buttons 'valigned' to the top, whilst Reload & Stop buttons are on the bottom). Bizarro.
At least this is the FIRST time a Mozilla release has actually NOT decided to make itself the default browser in spite of my always telling it not to. One bug fixed, yay!
"MozillaZine is reporting that Mozilla 1.4 has been released for Windows, Mac OS and Linux.
What the fsck! Are the editors even awake! Come one guys, read the damn article! There is nothing in the article that says it's released for those systems, especially not the implication that it's released JUST for those systems. Mozilla 1.4 has been released for all platforms!
The systems that Mozilla 1.4 work on are: Linux (all architectures), GNU/HURD, IRIX, Tru4, BSD/OS, Solaris, AIX, HPUX, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Windows, OSX, OS/2, BeOS. There are probably others systems as well...
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Firebird has much beter a startup time than Mozilla does at the moment.
The new version is pretty similar to today's Netscape 7.1, which is based on the same code, but lacks Netscape's proprietary features.
Uhh... and it's a bad thing that Mozilla lacks these "features"? I personally like Mozilla with less crap. Oh well. To each their own...
ikeya
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1) I still find an occasional page that renders incorrectly. Or maybe what its actually doing is rendering correctly due to spec compliance. But I don't really care what the problem is, I just want them to always render like other browsers.
2) There are weird problems with keyboard keys not working right sometimes. For example, occasionally if I click in the document that has been displayed, the arrow keys will not move the page. Or in forms the home/end keys, etc. dont work. It seems like these events aren't being captured, although I can't find any consistent way to cause it.
3) When I view my rental queue in Netflix, Mozilla crashes completely. This is the biggest problem...other things are just irritating, but I can't get rid of IE while this still happens. Again, maybe Netflix is using improper javascript or something. But, my perspective as a user is only "does it work." In any case, the browser should be able to handle nasty code in a way that doesn't cause a complete crash even if it infinite loops or something.
Despite these kinds of annoyances, I am going to stick with Mozilla. I love tabbed browsing, and I really like being able to bookmark a set of tabs that I may want open for reference while working on a project. 1.3 was the first version I started using regularly because my form filler/password manager finally supported Mozilla, and with googlebar all my needs are met.
I guess I'll go see now if 1.4 has addressed any of these issues...
I know how to disable window, aka ad, popups under Windows/XP, but that option seems to have disappeared under the Linux version. Does anyone know where I can find it?
I can remember a time when just about every distro under the sun shipped with a stock installation of Netscape. Well before Mozilla was anything to write home about. Considering its history alone is pretty amazing.
My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch.
Now where is that Spike pr0n search plugin? Spike Lee sued the author.
From here on, mozilla.org's focus shifts to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Thunderbird.
So what ever happend to Mozilla Camero and Mozilla Trans-Am?
I'll go ahead and stick my neck out: It may be newer to Netscape rather than Mozilla, but I can't tell you how much I love little things like "Find As You Type"... This is kinda second-nature stuff to those of us who commonly use vi & co..... to find a link, if the browser has focus, just type a word to find a link containing that word, or "/" followed by the word to search the text. Bad part: "/" + "Enter" won't go ahead and look for the next word, instead you have to do "Ctl+G" or "F3"... bah! No regexp support either, at least as far as I know.... maybe not useful for a ton of users, but wouldn't it rock?
I downloaded Firebird 0.6 last night because Mozilla was still in release candidate mode. If I'd realised they were serious about the term Release Candidate, I would've just grabbed that.
Does anyone know if anyone is working on a usable 'save tabs' feature? When I use Opera, and accidentally close it (or it crashes), I load it up and all my previous windows are there. I *need* this feature because I can't just browse in a single window, and I have yet to use a browser that doesn't crash after a few arns.
Once Mozilla has this, Opera and it's ads (and it's stupid 'wand' that doesn't ever properly disable) is history.
Oh, and have they fixed the bookmark manager in this version? It's incredibly annoying right now (in Firebird 0.6, if you select a folder and add a new folder, the new folder is made a sibling of the selected folder, not a child).
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Yeah baby! Let's get Netscape 7.1 instead of Mozilla for all of those proprietary features I want like... uhhh...
AIM? Yeah, right. Other than that Netscape 7.1 has _less_ features* than Mozilla 1.4, as well as having the wholesome open-source-goodiness impaired.
*Does it still not block pop up ads from AOL.com BTW? Nice trick there I must say.
Beep beep.
So what you're saying is that now slashdot can stop posting all these extra software release stories! :)
:)
(Seriously, I hope you noticed that the list I posted precisely matches the last [n] software packages listed on Freshmeat. I just felt like posting something a bit more interesting than the typical "slashdot is turning into freshmeat" post...)
Also, your homepage is a 404, dude.
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But I'm a bit concerned. Firebird's developers have now made me very, very reluctant to download nightly builds so that I might try to find and report bugs.
This for several reasons :
I hate griping about OSS developers - but Firebird has become such an important tool to me that I'd like to help - even if only by reporting bugs - and when that process seems not to work, it gets a bit frustrating.
Is anyone at Mozilla working on a quirks mode for Word- or Excel-generated HTML? Don't even think about Powerpoint!
default mozilla font settings in x11 suck. they are difficult to read at 800x600 or 1024x768 (i dont know about other resolutions). is this ever going to be fixed? is there a workaround? besides using galeon...
I just installed rc3 today and now I see this. Does anyone know if rc3 is same as this one?
Try viewing the following page:
http://www.zophar.net
Notice anything...odd?
Nope, still font weirdness, though it is different now. There are a mix of serif and sans-serif fonts in each listing, though the columns are still mislabeled, and I have to have it select 'serif' fonts to get the 'sans serif' font I want.
The button label weirdness is, however, gone. Yay! Thanks for the advice. I'm temping on a piece of crap laptop and it had some old profiles laying around (though not Moz itself). Whew, stinky.
So, it's still got problems, and the installation of Moz is still pretty ridiculous if things like this can occur. What's it gonna take to get this stuff fixed? These problems have been around since the beginning of the project! Unbelievable. No wonder MS thinks they can get away with not updating IE anymore. *shaking head*
actually, a few seconds do matter.
speedy startup times is a nice thing, be it in ie or in moz
for instance, as english isn't my native language, i sometimes have to look up words.. would i prefer to launch the browser, wait 10 - 30 seconds to go to dictionary.com, or would i rather have 10 - 20mb ram "wasted" and be able to look something up instantaneously?
most systems today come with 512+mb ram, and what else are you going to do with it? tear out a 256mb stick and give it to your neighbor?
-r
Is it just me or does anyone else have problems rendering Penny-arcade.com with the new 1.4 mozilla on windows?
Yeah, I agree...newer versions of Mozilla really should handle upgrades and importation of old profiles more gracefully than it does.
Glad to hear that my advice helped some.
-- Nathan
That's what the slashboxes are for! Your post makes me want to rip my eyeballs out! ARRRRRGHHHH!
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
Is there an IRIX version of either Mozilla 1.4 or Netscape 7.1 (as they use basicly the same code base)? I see that there are some links to some older builds of 1.4 and to a nightly build from May, but I can't seem to find 1.4 final. Would be nice to run the latest browser on my cheap "ebay special" Octane.
http://www.freshmeat.net
Some stuff moved around or was simplified. Check:
options -> privacy+security -> popup windows
options -> advanced -> scripts and plugins
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
Nope. That's an urban legend that's nice to spread around, but it's nothing more than FUD. If you don't have the fancy crap enabled int the shell and don't open any other components (or third party apps) that use the HTML parser/viewer, the first time you click on that "e" icon you load 90% of it (excluding libs already used by the rest of the system, like common controls. On Windows there's no GTK/LessTif/Motif/Yadda to contend with).
I dare you, like I've done before, to show me a single Windows process (excluding the web crap) that has MSHTML and WININET loaded after a clean boot finishes.
Do a few seconds really matter???
Well, I'd wager that if IE loaded slowly this conversation would be very different, but because we're talking about Mozilla, a few seconds don't matter. And BTW, that's the only thing I personally dislike about Mozilla. Other than that it's a great browser.
Any good ideas for how to fix this?
"Hey Albert, Good luck exploring the infinite abyss."
Oh, it couldn't be "read". In reality, the CPU was going to jump and execute it TOO, weren't you! Oh, no, you have "assertions" that won't let you do that.
Psshaw.
Mozilla, you lie out of both sides of your mouth.
[this comment posted with Mozilla (TM)]
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
I hate to say that the Emperor has no clothes, but ...
I haven't bothered to update from Moz 1.2.1 because it works and I am happy with it. I don't see how the browser (the only portion I use) has improved significantly. From the 1.3.x and 1.4 release notes, it seems most improvements have come to the newsgroups/mail.
As for Firebird (a.k.a. the browser formerly known as Phoenix), is it just me or is this the most IE-clone, kiddie like browser. I know we're all supposed to say how much better Firebird is, but I don't feel like an adult while using it. Most of the settings are only reachable (unless I am missing something) from the about:config screen. The preferences (under the Tools menu, just like IE) is so icon centric. Maybe Firebird is trying to reach out to the mom/pop crowd, but could I have an option to put it in advanced mode? In addition, NONE of my XUL/XPI/whatever plug-ins/skins work. The plug-ins and tabs are what makes Moz worth running in my opinion.
Yeah, the bloat comments have legitimacy, but I have HDD and CPU speed to waste (except when gaming). The only thing I am concerned about is the way Win Moz 1.2.1 seems to memory-leak.
Given this is an AC post, it's probably a troll but I'll bite. I disagree with you wholeheartedly.
If you want to use IE, Opera, or Konqueror, good for you. However, I roll my own Mozilla, have several code changes that I wrote (wallet and javascript functionality) and some 3rd party diff patches (spellchecker and menu enhancements). I optimize the hell out of the code using every compiler option available to me and it takes just shy of 20 minutes to compile. The result? My self-built Mozilla puts IE and Opera to shame for speed and flexibility. Memory use is slightly higher (~20M) but for 10M I have the Ferrari of browsers, customized and faster even than Opera 6 when it was at it's peak. On a reasonably fast site like Yahoo, uncached pages render a full second faster than in IE 6.0 (under W98/Win4Lin) and about 1/2 second faster than Opera 6. Now, compiling code is not for everybody but if you know how, you cannot beat Mozilla.
Also, you're confusing contributors and those with CVS write access. AOL controls almost all the CVS write accounts but there are PLENTY of unpaid non-AOL contributors who submit code to be checked-in. While I'm at it, Bugzilla was created because the original Netscape developers hated the 3rd party bug tracking system used there. So, to correct your parting shot: "Bugzilla - because 3rd party closed source bug tracking systems are so crappy."
Now, let me turn the tables. Have you looked at the code? Have you ever compiled the code? If not, then I'd counter that even you don't know why you aren't using Mozilla.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
I know that you can get them through cvs, but if there is no tarball with the sources then an ebuild for Gentoo can't be made with all the mirror sites having the tarball.
This easter egg has existed since the Netscape/Mozilla 0.9.x days, but it's still neat. Type "about:mozilla" in the address box and see what comes up...
Try it in IE too. You get something rather cryptic, to say the least... No, I don't know what it means either.
http://freshmeat.net/add-mozilla-sidebar/
I think this release needs to bake a little more before it is ready. After uninstalling Mozilla 1.3 the Windows executable crashed sometime during install... twice... and it won't run even after rebooting the machine. Looks like I'll have to reinstall 1.3...
I am certain I am running 1.4 rc3. The about page, nevertheless, contrary to all reason and to the thingsbeyong reason like the Windows registry, insists it is Mozilla 1.02 (which it can't be, the mail has bayesian filtering, the most recent Orbit theme works, etc).
I even searched for such a bug in Buzilla but found nothing. Must be some WK2 wierdness.
I set them, and click ok, go back to them the settings are gone. Anyone else getting this?
Not to sound like an AOLer, but I agree. Where's the frickin' source? Isn't that one of the benefits of open source software? Hell, isn't that the definition?
The generic x86 binary is nice, but includes a whole lot of stuff I don't want and lacks a whole lot of stuff I do want. I want Xft, I don't want mail and news or ldap. That kind of thing.
(Wishing I had mod points instead of just replying...)
That may be true, but just looking at the tree, It's clear that there's substantial work being done by developers that are not on AOL's payroll.
There are 15 unique email addresses checking in in the last 12 hours. Of them, 7 are from outside netscape:
I won't bother with the rest of your troll.
Textbooks and Open Educational Resources
Don't let Giles find out!
Would someone please do these for someone stupid and/or lazy like me? I love RPMs for installation... and for MacOS9? I haven't even thought about how to install GNU tools and a compiler for that thing yet... where do I begin?
I'm currently downloading it via. CVS.
http://www.mozilla.org/cvs.html
The branch is: MOZILLA_1_4_RELEASE
Please don't reply if you don't know what you're talking about. Ever heard of "mapped libraries"? No, I guess not.
and the process is tiny
Tiny? It's 8MB with a 3.2MB VM size (without a page loaded).
Almost no CPU is used to perform this "loading" operation
So what you're saying is it's too fast for you? OK, I buy that.
What is your god damn problem??
I believe its called heterosexuality. It afflicts a majority of people in fact.
Not perfect yet, but being worked on: http://recall.mozdev.org/.
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So is it MacOS X 10.3 compatible yet? Both 1.4rc3 and Firebird/Phoenix refuse to launch. The icon goes bouncie bouncie and then just stops, and nothing else happens. 8^( I wish Moz would work, because I can't stand using Safari. No image blocking, cookie blocking or animation blocking. 8^P Of all these, animation blocking is the most important to me. Static images I can ignore, but moving pictures I can't.
on windows anyway
: .org
I'll have to wait for my erstwhile FreeBSD packager
gnome [at] FreeBSD [is not dying]
to keep up 8)
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No specs also means that you have no guarantee that your broken html will still render how you want in the next version of the browser!
In the past I was often "bitten" by newer versions of IE recognizing mistakes in my HTML, or the reverse ie. actually rendering to specs.
What I'm saying is, IE si teh suxXors!
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Well, at least you're gracious in defeat. Hope I get to run into you in a dark alley some day kid.
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
> What? Individual libraries don't appear as processes, so that argument isn't applicable.
Yes, but you can see which libraries have dependencies on mshtml or shdocvw. WinInet I am not sure -- if you use IE's mobsync.exe, WinInet may load, but then several third party software uses WinInet too.
If you load Win2k cleanly (especially with Active Desktop disabled, e.g. through TweakUI), you definitely will not load mshtml *or* shdocvw.
With all of this, IE still creams Moz (and Firebird) in startup times. One overhead IE does not have is that it uses native widgets for everything, whereas Moz/Firebird loses (I am guessing) while constructing all the dinky little XUL widgets.
Btw:
- Some parts of Windows 2000's UI do use shdocvw. But definitely not at startup!
- IIRC Windows ME and XP have an OS feature that "optimizes" load times for frequently used libraries and apps. Office (again IIRC) uses this feature. But this feature is available for *any* windows app, not just the MS ones.
Does it come preconfigured with MIME types yet? I'm tired of having to "save link as" when I try and grab something that's not an mpg, exe, or avi. Not to mention that doesnt work with redirected downloads.
Is there a fast way to enter all known win32 mime types so I don't have to do it by hand when I come across a new file type I want to download?
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Isolated anecdotes aside, Mozilla 1.3 has been very fast, and very stable, on the machines it's been installed on at my college.
I installed it on one machine, and the tutors liked it, and have installed it on the tutor stations. Several of the tutors have mentioned to me that Mozilla has been much faster and reliable than NS4 and IE6.
What's this Submit thingy do?
If pop-up blocking and tabbed browsing are the leather seats, smooth scrolling are the butt-warmers :)
Gotta love this browser.
I'm a 2000 man.
When it installs -- even as an upgrade -- Mozilla 1.4 forces the browser to a specific page on the mozilla.org site on startup, effectively "phoning home." This is exactly the sort of spying against which users should expect a project like Mozilla to defend them. What gives?
It's the other way around. Netscape takes a slightly out-of-date version of Mozilla, replaces the red dinosaur with a big N and little AOL running guys, and adds AOL-TW sites to the popup blocking exemptions list. Did I just feed a troll?
It's an operating system, not a religion.
... total lack of CSS2 fixed positioning?
Internet Explorer is the bane of a web developer's existence: it is the browser that does everything differently, and doesn't support loading Java applets with object elements sanely. You try making an XHTML 1.0 Strict validating document with an embedded Java applet using the W3C's reccomended method. IE sucks.
Been using RC3, installed 1.4 over top of it (maybe that was a mistake?). Now it locks up when I try to send mail - locks up and has to be killed via task manager. Anyone else seen this happen? (Windows XP)
I mod down all the "free iPod"-sig losers.
http://googlebar.mozdev.org/installation.html MozDev's Google Bar works wonderfully with the new Mozilla 1.4
After uninstalling Mozilla 1.3 the Windows executable crashed sometime during install...
You must have been to Windows Update recently.
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
I dare you, like I've done before, to show me a single Windows process (excluding the web crap) that has MSHTML and WININET loaded after a clean boot finishes
I dare you to show me a single DOS system that boots with the command prompt loeaded (excluding the command prompt and any other programs that might be running) after a clean boot.
Attempt at humor aside, but load Zone Alarm or Norton Internet Security and you'll be surprised at the programs that attempt to access the internet on a clean boot without putting the WININET process into memory.
SQL Server can't even start if prevented from phoning home. (Not that that happens on a typical workstation's clean boot, just mine at work.
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
"As for Firebird (a.k.a. the browser formerly known as Phoenix), is it just me or is this the most IE-clone, kiddie like browser."
See above.
IE Clone? Why because you don't want to bother downloading a new skin?
Kiddie-like? Why because they simplied options that most people don't even look at anyway?
For your plugins/skins, use the Firebird specific ones of which their are plently. At phoenix help at last count there were like 55 skins and 53 plugins. Have you even registered at Mozillazine?
Its so lame when people complain but aren't willing to do even basic research.
http://texturizer.net/firebird/index.html
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
Here's a better strawman: my assembler is faster than yours because the BIO$ is cached in RAM.
SQL Server can't even start if prevented from phoning home
You must be confused. MSSQL uses exactly four UDP ports, plus any incoming connections either via TCP over the standard port or named pipes. "Phone home" in my book means "visits some Microsoft domain", which is not true. You're more than welcome to provide proof to the contrary.
So why does my copy of 1.4rc3 (OS X) say that it's 1.5a under "About Mozilla"?
On second thought, let me rephrase my question. The question is not "Netscape or Mozilla?", but rather, "Should Netscape discontinue its web browser development?" Anyone?
See comment #5 at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=208205 #c5 ... It worked for me. :)
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Don't scream "torrent!" in a room full of people. Does anyone have the Linux binary (not seamonkey, the other one) on a torrent.
I don't like to criticize Mozilla but they seem to be more concerned in adding flashy cool features like theme handling and smooth scrolling, rather than features that actually provide useful functionality like, for instance, a context menu item to copy images to the clipboard, or flash blocking.
Well, not completely useless, although certainly much weaker than a signature. While having a checksum only on mozilla.org would be useless against this type of attack, checksums tend to get mirrored in various places--an attacker would potentially have to modify the checksum on tens/hundreds/thousands of machines. For example, that's how the OpenSSH trojan was noticed (within a few hours of the files being tampered with); the FreeBSD ports system keeps a checksum of the distribution file for this exact reason, as does NetBSD's pkgsrc.
But yes, a real digital signature would be so much better...
Unfortunately, those who are motivated to contribute work prefer to add flashy features (that are not too hard to implement too). But even so, Mozilla has more to offer than IE, Opera, or Konqueror, is multi-platform, and is free (something that Opera or IE are not).
The release that is contained in Rawhide (check rpmfind.net) is based off a pre-release. A new RPM should be available quite soon with the final version (doesn't take very long for the mirrors to catch up).
Ayup
The "about:mozilla" quote in Netscape/Mozilla is "from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31 (Red Letter Edition)", and appears on a red page.
"about:mozilla" in Internet Explorer is a blank blue page.
Get it?
Red vs. Blue - not true color opposites, but close enough, and Red vs. Blue is used in a lot of "opposition" contexts (e.g. miltary war games, paintball, board games)
What's interesting is that "about:FOO" in IE for any other word just returns FOO on a blank white page with an "about:FOO" title, while "about:mozilla" actually is a formatted HTML page that calls from "res://mshtml.dll/about.moz"
I did manage to get it working once on a Solaris box. It was... weird. Profiles seemed to chop off the last character of everything typed. (Create .mozilla/foo, display ./mozilla/fo, quit, re-run, get told that ./mozilla/fo doesn't exist. WTF? That's where I gave up and said "Fuggit, keep using NS4.7, and drop back to NS3 for those web pages with a million nested tables in 'em", and having seen how confused Mozilla was with whatever version of whatever libraries we'd managed to find, the user was actually happy to continue to do so. That was a few releases ago, I'd forgotten about it until today.)
As for the other libraries... well, OK, but this should be in the README for the release. Or the release should be distributed with libraries where there aren't dependency issues. Or there should be a URL in the README that says "You need these libraries. Go here. Download these files. Put them here. Add this to LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Don't download those files. The are known not to work."
If there are three Mozilla binaries, one for each set of widget libraries, say so. "Download this to use with xlib, that to use with xprint, and the other to use with Gtk. The first two come with all the libraries you need, we tested it on our boxes and it worked. The second doesn't, you need these files from $URL-fu. Use whichever one gives you the widgets you like best.")
I hate to admit it, but it's the one thing about the "release early, release often" part of the Open Source model that doesn't work well - dependencies/documentation. If you're building it yourself from source, great. But if you're trying to quickly address the needs of a user who just want to run the damn code, the model fails.
> That said, you're supposed to type: ./mozilla
Me == teh suxor ;-) I figured the run-mozilla.sh script was there to prevent me from cd-ing down to ./mozilla-the-directory and running ./mozilla-the-shell-script-that-calls-mozilla-bin.
I will give credit where it's due - the Win32 installer is fantastic, and likewise the Linux setup.
Uninstall whatever Mozilla version you have, delete Program Files/mozilla.org, reboot, then install 1.4.
Works fine now.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
I know that, dude. I'm not asking how to do it, I'm asking if he was willing to back up his claims by doing it himself.
In prior versions, for a moment while iframes had new content loaded into them, the screen was black. Very distracting for websites which use iframes.
NO LONGER!!
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." -- Hanlon's Razor
I find not loading the Flash plugin is a good starting point. Alternatively, using an ad-blocking proxy and putting "/.*\.swf" or the equivalent as one of the patterns to block works really well too.
I dunno where the best place to post this would be, but much thanks go to everyone who brought Mozilla to this state!!
Witht the 1.4RC2 release, Moz will send hypertext (including links) to recipients listed on web page mailto: links! This was a huge block to Moz being a useful client.
Of course, there are many other wonderful improvements, greater stability, and I guess tighter code.
The team should get some national award!!!