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Apple Updates Panther Via Software Update

arobase writes "Apple releases update to Panther thru Software Update. The build number changes from 7A179 to 7A202. Updates Mail, Exposé and iChat."

89 comments

  1. fr1st flamin6 p0ast!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Bob:

    Well actually it's kinda slow today, cause most
    people are still out from the 3-Day. Nazi-Youth
    Rally, Hobo Slumgullion "Hooray For Everything"
    Retreat they made all the soulless brain-washed
    employees go on this week. Yep, it's been a
    regular Bob "I'm a lazy sack of shit who's gonna
    do nothing all day but stick my finger up my butt
    day" here at MGM today.

    And hey, speaking of Cop Porn, I'm sure that if I was Asian, "Cop Porn" would be heralded as "A dark look into the surreal inner world of a tormented soul working on the other side of the law. Chan Ferra Lee makes his directorial debut in a startling film that stars an all Amer-Asian cast filmed with a distorted lens that conveys the distorted perceptions we Asian Americans are forced to deal with on a daily basis." Bob,
    go fuck yourself. And seeing as how you
    have both mail and female genitalia, this will
    not be such a tall order.
    Bob wrote:
    shouldn't you be working or something? always with the hurting, I guess I'll just sit home and watch cop porn over and over again as punishment, oh,and i don't have any fillings. btw, Willamina vouches for the craft and comedy of at least one of the directors.

    eat me

    On Friday, July 11, 2003 4:11 PM, Ryan wrote:
    Bob:
    OK, OK, its time to fess up. I admit, my
    critique of the film festival was all a silly
    rouse. I actually might've wanted to see
    those shorts if not for the fact that I would have
    to see them with you. I've...I've held my
    silence about this for too long. Bob you are
    unpleasant company. I would prefer hanging around the
    Black Israelites in Times Square wearing a Ku
    Klux Klan outfit then hang out with you. It'd
    be infinitely more fun and the arguments would be more enlightening then your interminable
    devil's advocate routine. Have you ever bitten down
    on a piece of tin foil with one of your fillings, Bob? Well now you have some inkling as to what your
    voice sounds like (except with the addition of
    being kicked in the crotch with cleats while
    wearing headphones blasting techno music).
    And why is it that you always smell like you've
    just fallen into a barrel of donkey shit? Please
    answer me that? Oh please oh please oh please.
    Go To Hell,
    Your Mother
    Bob wrote: At risk of exaserbating an already ridiculas
    rant; I don't assume ANYTHING about tonights showing, they are indie pieces of film
    supposedly revolving loosely around the idea
    of foreign state oppression. They may suck
    (and likely several will, judging from past experience) I just find it pathetic to
    dismiss them on the grounds that they won't be "entertaining" or a "non-stop laff riot".
    It also doesn't mean I don't indulge in
    crappy mindless pop art either, just that theres plenty of room for both and that a healthy artistic diet consists of SOME things that may be more on the make-you-think/confront-your-reality side of things than the make-you-pee-your-pants- laughing side of things. The horse is complaining about too much teeth
    and is requesting your skilled orafice, dick. rb

    On Friday, July 11, 2003 2:07 PM, Ryan wrote: Bob, you are just as moronically elitist for assuming that just because its going to be oreign films, that they're going to be "artistic". And speaking of being a tireless patron of the arts, lest we forget this is coming from a Limp-Bizkit-listening, That 70's Show and American Idol watching, Pauly Shore movie
    loving motherfucker such as yourself. Bob don't
    just get off your high horse, get off it and
    suck its dick, cause I know for a fact that you
    would not be caught dead at this thing unless Willamina
    wanted to go. Sir, I will leave you to you own
    devices and beseech you thusly...

    Shove It Up Your Art-Hole!

    Bob wrote:
    OK, got it:
    non-stop fart jokes and s

  2. updates to closed developer betas make news now? by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So they've updated a closed developer beta that only a few thousand people have legally, and this is news?

    If you want to talk about closed betas of Apple's upcoming updates, at least talk about the recent one that fixes the screensaver character buffer bug that got plastered all over /. a few days ago. It isn't all that important either, but at least it serves as a good followup.

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  3. Who cares? by GoRK · · Score: 1, Troll

    Of course they update it via Software Update. It is, after all, their software update service. It's not even out yet. Big fuckin deal.

  4. more stable ? by mAIsE · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Has anyone noticed if this is more or less stable than the 7A179 release was ?

    1. Re:more stable ? by seletz · · Score: 1

      Hmm, i've only suffered 2 crashes of Safari (both which, it seems, in combination with heavy java apps ...).

      So, i'm off booting and running swupdate ...

  5. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by profet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you implying that files off bittorrent aren't legal?

  6. One step closer to Linux by mhesseltine · · Score: 0, Troll
    • apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
    • up2date
    • emerge -u world

    But hey, it's progress, right?

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    1. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      You forgot the 57 steps in the middle required to get your sound card working. What were you saying about progress?

    2. Re:One step closer to Linux by DMDx86 · · Score: 0, Informative

      57 steps for sound card?

      lets see..

      Step 1: /sbin/modprobe es1370

      Where are the other 56 steps? You Mac fanboys really are smart, arent ya?

    3. Re:One step closer to Linux by Synic · · Score: 1

      If you ended up with needing a module that wasn't compiled or provided with your initial setup it can be a pain in the arse for a newbie to set up and compile the kernel sources themselves.

    4. Re:One step closer to Linux by pediddle · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, that's 21 more characters than the macboys have to type (not to mention discovering that your card's module is "es1370" -- "what the hell is a module?").

      [I love Linux and have yet to own a Mac, but I can see why the newbies complain]

    5. Re:One step closer to Linux by DMDx86 · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      If you are using a regular distribution, all of the sound modules are already compiled for you.. unless you distribution is that shoddy. I dont know of any distros that are like that. Every one I encoutered had everything compiled.

      PS: Bite me Moderators. I have karma to burn and you don't have the balls to reply, so you mod me down instead

    6. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      If you are that ignorant about Linux, then you shouldn't be using it in the first place. The "linux needs 57 extra steps" is pure utter garbage, however.

      I should note that Red Hat's hardware detection system would detect the sound card automatically.

    7. Re:One step closer to Linux by acidrain · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know I miss the good old days of having to get under the hood when you install a new distro. I installed a recent version a month ago, and everything just worked!?!? I was like WTF is this? Clicked on the little "test sound" installer diologue and sat there in shock listening to the thing. After a few minutes of poking around checking all of my devices and successfully launching major apps I walked away in disgust. That was no fun at all! How can I feel intellectually superior about knowing how to configure packages from a dos partition after booting off a linux floppy? Mabey in a few years I'll bring out an old copy of Slackware and start evangelising it.

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    8. Re:One step closer to Linux by pediddle · · Score: 1

      If you are that ignorant about Linux, then you shouldn't be using it in the first place.

      That's the attitude that keeps ignorant people from using it. Keep it up.

      (BTW, I resent your usage of "you", since I'm merely playing devil's advocate)

    9. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      Excuse me, but I'm missing your point. How the hell is
      • apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
      • up2date
      • emerge -u world
      easier/better than clicking "Install" when the notification window comes up?
    10. Re:One step closer to Linux by Dahan · · Score: 1
      I should note that Red Hat's hardware detection system would detect the sound card automatically.

      Well then, I'll note that I recently installed RedHat 9 on a machine with two NICs, an Intel PRO 100S and some Accton. Only the Intel NIC was detected--no sign of the Accton except for a brief mention in /proc/pci. Eventually, I found out that I was supposed to use the 8139too module. That module is included with RH9, so why wasn't the card detected automatically?

    11. Re:One step closer to Linux by FredFnord · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > (BTW, I resent your usage of "you", since I'm merely playing devil's advocate)

      If you are given to resenting being called stupid, you should learn not to play devil's advocate.

      This is not a slur... I play devil's advocate all the time, and I get called stupid all the time. But then, I have a thick skin.

      -fred

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    12. Re:One step closer to Linux by Mikey-San · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, that's what a lot of people just don't understand. It may be easy to type a short command in a shell window, but most end-user/average consumer types are deathly afraid of the command-line. (I'd like to blame DOS's shitty CLI for this, as bash and the C shells are nice.)

      Geeks will use a CLI; Mom and Dad won't.

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      Karma: +Eleventy billion (mostly affected by watching Celebrity Jeopardy)
    13. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The steps for a mac:

      Step 1: Make out with girlfriend while listening to music on your new powerbook

    14. Re:One step closer to Linux by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not just that they're scared, there's a lot more to know in those three short lines.

      In both instances, you must know what you're doing, every step of the way. Those three lines can be arranged in 9 distinct ways. If you type them out of order you won't get the same result. If you typo, it doesn't work. Yes, you can probably do it by rote, but you still have to be more aware of what's going on at any moment than you do when you click 'Install'.

      I LIKE the command line, but I KNOW that it's not the same amount of work. Us geeks would do well to remember that.

    15. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      I play devil's advocate all the time, and I get called stupid all the time.

      Are you sure that these two things are related?

    16. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Well then, I'll note that I recently installed RedHat 9 on a machine with two NICs, an Intel PRO 100S and some Accton. Only the Intel NIC was detected--no sign of the Accton except for a brief mention in /proc/pci. Eventually, I found out that I was supposed to use the 8139too module. That module is included with RH9, so why wasn't the card detected automatically? It's because your gay, and Red Hat has a failsafe for gay people, it won't work, so gay people can't taint the good reputation Red Hat has. If you want a gay machine use a Mac. There have many curves and holes to shove your dick through.

    17. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Umm, Hey moron - those 3 lines are commands for different distributions. You pick the one appropriate to yours. Obviously you're not very good at the command line or you would've recognized that.

    18. Re:One step closer to Linux by Alex+Reynolds · · Score: 1

      You're just bitter because you have to use IRIX.

    19. Re:One step closer to Linux by Dahan · · Score: 1
      If you want a gay machine use a Mac.

      Indeed, this is precisely the reason I use a Mac. It's a very attractive tangerine colour.

    20. Re:One step closer to Linux by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > You know I miss the good old days of having to get under the
      > hood when you install a new distro.

      So, umm, use the LFS distro. Only, instead of Linux, use a
      different kernel, BSD or Hurd or something. Then you can get
      under the hood a little. Better yet, write your own operating
      system from scratch.

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    21. Re:One step closer to Linux by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Second NICs for some reason seem to be more of a problem. It would
      probably have detected the second one fine if the first one weren't
      there. (I'm not trying to make an excuse; it _ought_ to detect both,
      certainly.)

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      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    22. Re:One step closer to Linux by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      "It may be easy to type a short command in a shell window, but most end-user/average consumer types are deathly afraid of the command-line. (I'd like to blame DOS's shitty CLI for this, as bash and the C shells are nice.)"

      When was the last time a GUI gave you a syntax error message?

      Using a CLI for the status is genuinely pathetic.

      --
      That was classic intercourse!
    23. Re:One step closer to Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jonadab, please check into a hospital as soon as possible, your humor transplant is failing.

  7. Dear Apple: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Dear Apple:

    I bought an Apple computer because of its native support for teledildonics. I bought a USB FUFME and MacOS immediately recognized it and installed drivers instantly! As a gay

    Catholic priest who often can't be at the altar all the time, you can understand how the ability to have sex with children

    whilst on the airplane with my Powerbook and wireless internet service is a lifesaver.

    I just have a single question, will Apple be releasing a firewire version of the FUFME anytime soon?

    With much gayness,

    Father Michael "Arminass" Sims

  8. Dear Father Sims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Dear Father Sims

    Thank you for your kind letter! Being a former Catholic priest myself, I know exactly what you are talking about! It has been

    our dream at Apple Computers ever since we began in the 80's to shape the homosexual experience with the ultimate computer.

    I can answer your letter by saying that YES we will indeed be making a firewire version of the FUFME. With the additional

    bandwidth offered by the firewire bus, we will be able to more accurately record and deliver more minute and subtle movements

    that the USB FUFME simply couldnt support due to lack of bandwidth. You will be able to recognize our firewire FUFME in stores

    by the fancy holographic logo of a cock entering an Apple.

    We are glad to help loyal customers such as yourself. If you ever have any more questions, feel free to drop a line (or connect

    to my teledildonic FUFME server on fufme://cockman.apple.com).

    Hugh G. Cockman
    President
    Homosexual Liaison Services
    Apple Computer, Inc.

  9. you all know that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    apple updates PACK YOUR FUDGE

  10. Hrm, I'm thinking they meant Jaguar by Luxviaest · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Unless of course Apple is making a habit of submitting public updates to an as of yet unreleased beta version of their new OS.

    1. Re:Hrm, I'm thinking they meant Jaguar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No.... they meant Panther. It comes up as 'Test software update 10.3'..

    2. Re:Hrm, I'm thinking they meant Jaguar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.... it doesn't. No such software update appears, at least on my screen. It doesn't even show up under "Inactive Updates". So, again how precisely does one get this update? Just running Software Update in the usual manner is apparently not enough.

  11. Mac BitTorrent files. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MacTorrents.

    Enjoy.

    1. Re:Mac BitTorrent files. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh.... where? Why not post a link or something?

  12. Delicious Mac Torrents! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Informative

    MacTorrents.

    Enjoy.

    1. Re:Delicious Mac Torrents! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's fucking awesome! AC posts a link to WAREZ on slashdot, and gets modded up as informative!

      Post more warez links in this thread! What the hell, doesn't make any difference now.

  13. What? by lnoble · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't have Panther you insensitive-clod.

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      Hhahahahhahah FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      (sweet mother of christ, apple users really ARE homosexual :\ )

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this funny????? It's so over used!!

  14. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by mrpuffypants · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Sinner! You obtained that file illegally! /forgive me....It's REALLY early here and I need a laugh. You can do it too if you want :)

  15. This just in! Exclusive news story! Stop presses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Other related breaking stories brought to you by the newshounds at Slashdot:
  16. new update nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have the new Panther and the new update was very welcome. The changes made that I have noticed are a bit more stable (hasn't unexpectedly quit anything since, versus a couple of times before). Also, one cool feature is that in mail when you type in an email that matches someone in your Addr. Book or someone in your email list then it creates a button like image (like the new icon text with bgcolors). It makes it really simple and clean!

    Panther rocks. If you don't have it, please don't be bitter. Be patient, it will come.

    1. Re:new update nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wondering if you can say whether Panther's Mail.app has introduced a choice of encodings for attachments, to facilitate sending attachments to Windows PCs? (Lack of encoding choices being one of the worst remaining faults in Mail.app- as compared to Entourage etc- for many users.)

  17. Re:This just in! Exclusive news story! Stop presse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wow, (-1, No Sense Of Humor) for whoever modded this post.

  18. Panther?! Where!? by HaloZero · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I WANT IT! :-X

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    1. Re:Panther?! Where!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since this is slashdot, if you look further up in this thread a bunch of warez sites have already been posted! Go Slashdot!

    2. Re:Panther?! Where!? by ahbe · · Score: 1

      Hey! That's not funny, after reading that I looked at ALL the posts above, and non of them mention a warez site! What a let down... And I was so excited to finnaly find a copy of Panther. Oh well...

  19. Screen saver not completely fixed by Ineffable+27 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to macfixit.com, the screen saver bug re. long passwords is fixed, but the other bug remains: the one which allows programs to be quit while the screen saver is on, as long as 'keyboard access' to the dock is turned on.

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  20. the reason why they'd do this by goodchef · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There would seem to be no compelling reason to use software update for a patch that's for a still-developers-only product. 1) It does make it easier for those developers to get it. But the bigger reason I see is that since pretty much everyone who has Panther will install this, Apple would get a decent count of the number of installed copies of Panther, and from that a fairly decent estimate of the amount of piracy.

    Personally, I could download it, but I'll just wait until August when they release it. One of the big reasons I like Macs so much is that they just work, and installing a prerelease version of an OS while they're still tweaking it and fixing bugs means goodbye to that.

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    1. Re:the reason why they'd do this by soullessbastard · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Well, there may be more people who have Panther legally then just WWDC attendees. Apple does have a Software Seeding Program which has been around for years. While I don't have a seeding key to be a member of the program any longer, I expect Panther builds are part of it.

      Not all WWDC attendees are necessarily in the seeding program to download updates to prelrelease software, so there is a valid reason aside from piracy tracking to put the update in Software Update instead of just in the seeding site.

      Still, even if you are tempted to download and install illegally, or if you have it legally and are thinking of installing it on your main machine, there's a good reason not to use it except on test machines. Read the license carefully...one of the sections of the license implies that the OS and dev tools are time limited and will stop functioning after a certain date.

      The only folks I can see this hurting are those who don't heed the recommendations of putting seed software only on test machines, or those who got Panther betas illegally and didn't bother to read the fine print.

      There are also rumors that you will not be able to install 10.3 GM on a machine running one of the prereleases. A friend at a large company told me that their company recommended that their employees be very careful about where they install Panther previews and to not put it on their main work machines.

      I'd conjecture that the workaround is to go back, reinstall a clean copy of 10.2, then put GM on there (or other OS when the preview expires). But no one can be certain until the day 10.3 GM comes.

      Remember, Panther is beta software for testing purposes. Given what I've learned, I'd caution everyone to treat it as such.

    2. Re:the reason why they'd do this by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There would seem to be no compelling reason to use software update for a patch that's for a still-developers-only product.

      How about this reason: To test the new Software Update control panel?

      I have only given my downloaded copy of Panther a cursory playing-with on my spare G4, but I can tell you that Software Update is quite different from the one in Jaguar-- you can opt to have the computer automatically install "important" updates, and there are a few other changes that have been made.

      ~Philly

    3. Re:the reason why they'd do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I thought about this before installing the update... But then I just decided to install it anyway. I am a member of apple's developer connection, but not a paid member. I wish there was a way to get in on the Beta program without paying $1500, because I've found several bugs with it that I have not been able to find anyone mention on the message boards.

      I fully plan on buying Panther when it's released, but I wish Apple would allow me to contribute to their product to help track down bugs.

    4. Re:the reason why they'd do this by Shishio · · Score: 3, Informative

      But no one can be certain until the day 10.3 GM comes.

      Well, the license agreement and the instructions in the installer specifically state that the developer release will not be upgradeable to the full release. So, we can definitely expect not being able to upgrade. I still have it installed, of course, but on separate partitions on work machines and on the main partition only on a test machine.
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    5. Re:the reason why they'd do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big deal. Most of us just do a fresh reinstall of new OS X's when they come out anyway.

    6. Re:the reason why they'd do this by OnsightFlash · · Score: 1

      i feel that the real reason Apple allowed the seed of Panther to flourish over BitTorrent is that it gives the development teama gigantic beta tester system. They pretty much know what forums to monitor for feedback , usually intelligent and insightful, as the average user has no idea of how to obtain the dev version.
      Apple benefits greatly from the distribution of the Panther builds. Of course the dev build will have to be repalced by the ultimate final release, but that's okay.

    7. Re:the reason why they'd do this by soullessbastard · · Score: 1
      I suspect if they wanted to they could build a large legal testing team that had valid channels to report bugs. Does anyone else remember that OS X 10.0 Beta program sold CDs to people to join the beta program for like $10-$20? It was right after DP4 (which was seeding program only, I think).

      I expect they don't shut down the torrents not because they want beta testers, but just because the distributed nature of torrents makes them hard to shut down without a very active team of people trying to always find where they crop up. It's possible, but would require some human resources.

      For folks with Panther seeds, IIRC it's recommended to feed in bugs through the user's ADC account radar/bugreporter. Note that ADC accounts also have records of e-tickets for WWDC 2003, so in theory it's possible to track individual 'illegal' users through bug reports too, so if you weren't at WWDC you may not want to report any you find.

      ed

    8. Re:the reason why they'd do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said this about the Jaguar developer beta, too. It was a lie then.

      What they mean is that the software update utility cannot upgrade the system to a full release. Popping the CDs in and running a regular "upgrade" or "archive and install" will not hurt you.

    9. Re:the reason why they'd do this by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 1

      "They pretty much know what forums to monitor for feedback , usually intelligent and insightful,"

      You gotta be shittin me!

      Which forums would these be, pray tell?

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    10. Re:the reason why they'd do this by neverkevin · · Score: 1

      wait until August when they release it

      Where did you get that information? I was told by 2 Apple reps that there was no release date, only that it would be ready by the end of the year. After running the beta for a few weeks August seems a little optimistic.

  21. Expos� on G3's by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

    Does this fix the Exposé issues on the G3? I had panther, but decided it was too early to really use properly.. Also can you any of the mozilla variants?

    1. Re:Expos� on G3's by neverkevin · · Score: 1

      I am using Expose on a G3 with no problems. As for mozilla, I don't know, with Safari I have no need to download mozilla.

    2. Re:Expos� on G3's by Sophrosyne · · Score: 1

      Did you have a problem originally...? I have a g3 600mhz imac... and exposé did not fully work... so the question is did you have a problem before and have the update fix it? or are you just giving me useless info?
      also another issue is mame doesnt work properly, neither does snes9x... add to that the mozilla issue, inability to backup and a handful of other minor issues, im very weary in trying to reinstall this.

    3. Re:Expos� on G3's by neverkevin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have never had a problem with expose or any other Apple program on my 600mhz iBook. However, the Cisco VPN software is really buggy in 10.3b and I have had 2 system crashes pre update (1 crash toasted a few files on the harddrive). I talked to the local Apple rep about 10.3, he said they are still very much in the development process and that Apple know how buggy this release is. He also said they expect it to ship by the end of the year, so being about 5 months away from ship date, you can't really expect much in the way of stability.

  22. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by harveyswik · · Score: 1

    Oh no no no no no no - yes.

  23. Obligatory Monty Python reference: by Hawthorne01 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "1957 brought to the silver screen his 'I Bianche Notre' adapted by Dostoyevsky, a mannered and romantic melancholy of snow and mist and moonlit encounters on canal bridges. 'Boccaccio 70' followed five years later and the following year saw 'The Leopard'!
    So impressed was I with this motion picture treatment of the Risorgimento that I went along to Somerset House and changed me own name to Leopard, preferring it to me original handle, 'Panther' (Aargh).
    I digress."

    Big props to here for transcribing one of the best Monty Python episodes, ever.
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    "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
    1. Re:Obligatory Monty Python reference: by redJag · · Score: 1

      wtf?

    2. Re:Obligatory Monty Python reference: by ratfynk · · Score: 1

      What can I help you with, Sir.
      Panther, is it a BSD or Not?.....
      Welll.....somewhat.
      IS PANTHER A BSD OR NOT?.....
      Welll......yes.
      Then if Panther is a BSD and BSD is dead then...
      BSD is not dead....
      Look it just hangs there trying to update and doing nothing. I tell you if Panther is a BSD then it is dead....
      Panther is not dead it is just a BlueBSD....
      I TELL YOU IT IS DEAD.
      It is not dead, it is just resting. Pining for the fiords...
      LOOK YOU FOOL THIS PANTHER IS DEAD IT HAS EXPIRED, MOVED ON, GONE TO MEET ITS MAKER, IT IS AN X BSD.
      Ok would you like to buy a printer instead?

      --
      OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
  24. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by ChuyMatt · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. knowwhaddimean? knowwhaddimean?!

  25. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by HiredMan · · Score: 1
    at least talk about the recent one that fixes the screensaver character buffer bug that got plastered all over /. a few days ago

    The update patch for this will ship in two days (7-14-03) as it is currently in QA testing. But I don't know what that has to do with 'closed betas' as it applies to current systems.

    =tkk

    PS Don't blame me - I submitted the patch story but it was rejected.

  26. Usernames being truncated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Has anyone else noticed that the %n token in tcsh and the username field in ls (both GNU ls and BSD ls) is now limited to 8 chars?

    i.e. "anonymous" is now "anonymou"

    wtf? any fixes?

    1. Re:Usernames being truncated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      install linux.

  27. Setting the Software Update Timing? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Has anyone found a way to manually set when the update will check? If you check manually, it sets itself forward by day/week/month according to your setting but at the current time. The problem is occasionaly I'll be surfing at an odd hour (read: 3AM Saturday), see that an update has been released, and kick off the updater. It then resets itself to check the following Saturday, 3AM. I've looked through various preference files and a couple of sites I thought might have something.

    For the record, it is possible to change the time to the current time by changing the Daily/Weekly/Monthly option and changing it back. Unfortunately this resets the counter - I tried it know and even though it last checked 4 days ago it now won't check until next Sunday morning.

    So if anyone has found this, or is better at looking, I'm betting I'm not the only one that would like to know. (I tried looking for files that changed today with the time I changed it, but either a) I did my search poorly or b) it's saved in a system file with other preferences that doesn't get updated immediately.) I suppose it's possible it's only saved in PRAM, but I'm not sure how to find that how - maybe someone with more Developer access could ask around.

    And yes, changing the current date/time, moving the D/W/M setting, and then resetting the time would work. But that's crazy talk. I can appreciate the logic that Joe User will most likely check the first time at a time they'd normally be on, but not all of our usage schedules are that orderly. It wouldn't have hurt them to give the option of specifying it exactly, so you can check manually occasionally but not reset the automatic scheduling.

    --
    R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
    1. Re:Setting the Software Update Timing? by neverkevin · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could do with with cron and the command line software update program. But the time it checks shouldn't really matter, it will cache that there are new updates and bug you the next time you login or the next scheduled time. If your computer is off when it was scheduled to run it will check as soon you login. You shouldn't miss anything.

  28. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by Brad+Puett · · Score: 1

    Say No More!! ;^)

  29. Re:updates to closed developer betas make news now by macmurph · · Score: 1

    So they've updated a closed developer beta that only a few thousand people have legally, and this is news?

    This is news for nerds! And this dearly matters to me!

  30. Re:This just in! Exclusive news story! Stop presse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Other related breaking stories brought to you by the newshounds at Slashdot:
    Microsoft updates Windows via Windows Update...

    The story is news because they are serving up automated updates to an unreleased OS, which is kinda cool. I can see where you failed to spot the "man bites dog" angle, since you might not have been aware that "Panther" is the name for the version of OS X which is still in beta.

  31. Wish it were so by Lysol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm part of the seeding program and I can guarantee you 1000% that neither Apple's Xcode nor Panther are available on the ADC or via the developer DVD - last one I just got was for July '03.

    As I understand it, the *only* people that got copies of Panther, possibly besides corporate partners, were people that attended the WWDC. After watching the keynote at the Apple store in SOHO, I was bouncing off the walls for weeks trying to get a copy. But now, even tho it's avail as a torrent, it's like, meh, I'll wait. The need has worn off and I got work to do.

  32. hmm... by stevebob2019 · · Score: 1

    Its a good thing I have 10.3...

    Oh, wait...

  33. Re:This just in! Exclusive news story! Stop presse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    What's your point? Microsoft released updates to its preview versions of XP via Windows Update, Debian uses apt-get for its unstable branch, and you can make world (after cvsuping in the standard manner) on the development branch of FreeBSD...

  34. Re:This just in! Exclusive news story! Stop presse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this should be quickly followed up with Ask Slashdot posts ... "I am hungry, what should I eat?" and the classic Ask Slashdot: "What time is it? Are there any devices or methods of finding out what the current time is?"

  35. Sorry...how to get it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The original post says Panther is available via Software Update. I just ran Software Update (running on OS X 10.2.6) and all I see is a new Security Update. Someone posted something about "closed developer version" which is not in the original post....

    Can someone clearly explain how you get the upgrade from Jaguar to Panther?

    Thanks.

    1. Re:Sorry...how to get it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this "Offtopic"? You describe a way of getting a new software update, someone says that it's not working for them, asks how to get it.... Seems pretty dead-on topic, much more so that trolling about Slashdot's choice of articles.
      Who modded this down? I too would like to know how to get it!!

      grrrr

  36. you forgot by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1
    everybody's favorite, gentoo:
    emerge sync
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    Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
  37. Heh, touche! by FredFnord · · Score: 1

    > Are you sure that these two things are related?

    Well, they're correlated, anyway. :-)

    -fred

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    Sign #11 of Slashdot overdose: You see the phrase 'moderate Republican' and you wonder if that would be a +1 or a -1.
  38. Monty Python reference: Bring out your dead! by bob_calder · · Score: 1

    Bring out your dead!
    I'M NOT DEAD YET!
    *WACK*
    Git 'im outa 'ere.

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    Any preoccupation with ideas of what is right or wrong in conduct shows an arrested intellectual development. (Wilde)