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OpenOffice 1.1 RC 1 Released

Heartz writes "OpenOffice has released OpenOffice 1.1 RC 1. Get details here. Neat features include built in PDF and Flash export, better MS Office document filters and more!"

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  1. xooo by DrWhizBang · · Score: 3, Insightful

    wooHOO!!! now we just need Ximian to make it purty!

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    1. Re:xooo by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since Ximian have released the code to the modifications that they made to OOo, there's no reason why their icons couldn't be integrated back into the main codebase.

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    2. Re:xooo by soullessbastard · · Score: 2, Informative
      Their code has been released only under the LGPL license.

      To commit code back into OpenOffice.org, three things must happen:

      1. The code must be released under both LGPL and SISSL (the "closed source is fine as long as you use the same XML schemas" license). Right now Ximian's source is available under LGPL only.
      2. A Joint Copyright Assignment form must be on file giving copyright to your changes to Sun Microsystems.
      3. You need to go through the fun patch submission process and politics of forcing your patches down Sun's throat.

      As an example, all y'all linux, *bsd dudes could have had three-modifier (e.g. use Alt, Control, and Meta for keyboard shortcuts) but project politics kept these patches from being accepted into the source base. Silly that such a simple community-contributed feature wasn't accepted, no?

      This patch submission difficulty is one of the reasons why Ximian icons and patches are not within OpenOffice.org. It's also one of the reasons the Tru64 patches never made it back into OpenOffice.org. The Tru64 team got 1.0.0 compiling, but the patch submission/approval process was so daunting they just didn't bother.

  2. Missing features still... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Informative

    Simplicity, like AbiWord.
    Less bloat, like Gnumeric (which yet scores over Excel)
    Performance - It's a lot slower than MS Office, specially on Linux.

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    1. Re:Missing features still... by georgep77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "It's a lot slower than MS Office, specially on Linux".
      You've run MS-Office on Linux? It was faster? Have you tried it with one of the newer 2.5.x kernels, you may notice a speed increase.

      Cheers,
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    2. Re:Missing features still... by SecGreen · · Score: 2, Funny

      How is it slower than MS Office on Linux?

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    3. Re:Missing features still... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've run MS-Office on Linux? It was faster?

      About 80% of my clients use Windows to run Office, mail and a bit of browsing. The speeds I measured were on the same system:

      MS Office (Word) on MS Windoze : 100
      Open Office on Windoze : 134
      Open Office on Linux : 176
      AbiWord on Linux : 27

      MS Office (Excel) on MS Windoze: 100
      Open Office on Windoze : 110
      Open Office on Linux : 140
      Gnumeric on Linux : 33

      Both AbiWord and Gnumeric support the Windoze MS Office formats quite well. In short, I can't think of any reason to run OpenOffice on Linux systems - except for hyper-sensitive users.

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    4. Re:Missing features still... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's slower than MS Office running on wine on linux. It starts up more slowly, it responds more slowly, it uses more memory. Is that clear enough for you?

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    5. Re:Missing features still... by Kefaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have to disagree, at least a little. ;)

      AbiWord - It has the simplicity of Works. While that his not a bad thing, it is not the same as comparing to office.

      Bloat - Integrated packages will always suffer from this more than stand alone products (Wordpad versus Office). And Gnumeric is limited in it does not support all the similar functions of Excel.

      Performance - This is an old complaint that beyond opening I don't see. The MS Word application opens about twice as fast (I just tested it on Windows at 4 seconds versus 9 seconds), but once it is open the speed is not any different. As for the open, MS has the advantage of being able to give priority to their own applications at the base code level or taking advantage of "undocumented features."

    6. Re:Missing features still... by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

      > it is set to autoreplace the word lepton with leprechaun which is proving most annoying as I write my paper on particle physics.

      Well, changing the dictionary or turning off auto-replace isn't exactly, er, rocket science.

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    7. Re:Missing features still... by Yarn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      LaTeX is there for physics papers. I wrote up my notes in LaTeX after getting fed up with writing my reports in OpenOffice

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    8. Re:Missing features still... by dabuk · · Score: 3, Insightful
      These speeds are meaningless unless you give us some context. I assume you're giving relative speeds at performing some task since both the MS Office speeds are 100.

      But what's the task? Considering that AbiWord (good though it is) has only a subset of the features of Word and Open Office, you must just be comparing features that they share, which is never going to give the whole picture.

      If you really have performed some benchmarks you should publish them properly but I suspect that your numbers are meaningless.

    9. Re:Missing features still... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Informative

      These speeds are meaningless unless you give us some context. I assume you're giving relative speeds at performing some task since both the MS Office speeds are 100.

      All speeds are in seconds - MS Office speeds are pegged at 100 for scaling. For Word, I measured 'file- open speed' for 10-page files (there's little point in measuring 'editing' speeds). For Excel I opened 6 page spreadsheets with a bit of formulae. Again 'updating' and 'editing' speeds were not measured.
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    10. Re:Missing features still... by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Last I had read Gnumeric has all Excel functions plus a couple hundred unique ones, can you please list something that Excel supports that Gnumeric doesn't??

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    11. Re:Missing features still... by goranb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      For Word, I measured 'file- open speed' for 10-page files (there's little point in measuring 'editing' speeds). For Excel I opened 6 page spreadsheets with a bit of formulae

      I'm assuming that you opened the same files with the appropriate program in Open office, right? This doesn't really seem all that fair to me, as the Open office programs have to filter the documents to their internal representation.

      Just a thought off course...

    12. Re:Missing features still... by egreB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      did you miss the part that allows you to export to MS Office format?

      This raises an important issue. The main reason Microsoft is able to keep such a good grip on office-suites, is the file formats. Everything is kept in Microsoft Word og Excel-formats. It's all well and good that the alternatives can read and write these formats (though they're not perfect), but what we need, is an alternetive. We need an open format common to all word processors. The only format I know of that Word will read, is RTF. But RTF is rather limited. When I send a document from OO, I want to do it in an open format, readable by all (including Microsoft Word). These days, KOffice won't even read OO-documents.

    13. Re:Missing features still... by Troed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OpenOffice v1.1 can export to PDF - most people can read that. Alternatively, they can always rename the files to .zip, open them and read the text in their favourite notepad .. ;)

      The OpenOffice fileformat

    14. Re:Missing features still... by stienman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, changing the dictionary or turning off auto-replace isn't exactly, er, rocket science.

      Well duh. If it was rocket science he'd have no problem.

      -Adam

    15. Re:Missing features still... by mj01nir · · Score: 3, Informative

      Reveal Codes! Please give me WordPerfect style reveal codes. I haven't used WP in 6 years and I still miss reveal codes.

      That said, I've been using 1.1b1 and 1.1b2 for some time now and have been quite pleased with the progress. With OOo 1.1, I finally moved my wife's computer from Win2K to Linux. No regrets.

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    16. Re:Missing features still... by christopherfinke · · Score: 2, Funny
      Windoze [...] Windoze [...] Windoze [...] Windoze [...] Windoze
      You spelled Windows wrong, and it seems especially curious since your post was about how Windows actually runs this program faster than Linux.
    17. Re:Missing features still... by Keith+Russell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, scaling. I do believe that was Chapter 2 of How To Lie With Statistics. (And thank you, Dr. Schlossnagel, for making that book required reading in your Statistics class.) How about some raw numbers? For all we know, the unscaled difference between MSO and OOo is as marginal as a Q3A benchmark between a GF FX 5900 Ultra and a Radeon 9800 Pro.

      And were both MSO and OOo "quick loaders" used on Windows? (And do please note the spelling. You do want to be cited as a credible source, don't you?)

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    18. Re:Missing features still... by skryche · · Score: 4, Funny
      Open Office on Windoze : 134
      Open Office on Linux : 176

      For this to be really fair, you should be comparing Windoze to Linsux.

    19. Re:Missing features still... by Captain+Rotundo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You haven't been paying attention, have you? Gnumeric now supports ALL excel functions and then some.

    20. Re:Missing features still... by mt_nixnut · · Score: 2, Insightful
      users don't care.

      The best measurement is users reaction to clicking and having nothing happen for 10s of seconds, opposed to clicking and having a window pop up almost instantly.

      I know this because I have converted an entire office full of people over from MS to Linux and office to OOo in the last year. I have also used the beta 1.1b2. It is much better but still no where near as quick on the draw as office. I know MS cheats with its preloading but as I said before users don't care. I would use a preload feature if a (good) one existed. ( I have tried the quickstart hack but found it to be pretty useless especially in a multiuser environment like a terminal server. It is still slower loading than OOo on MS) But it is still the best thing going for Linux that I am aware of. Hopefully this speed thing can get worked out somehow because I consider it to be the biggest drawback at this point.

    21. Re:Missing features still... by Avenging+Sloth+337 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, yes and yes. On my machine (Debian unstable w/ Crossover Office) MS Word starts in 3 seconds and OpenOffice.org Writer starts in about 11 seconds. Once running, they seem to be roughly comparable in speed.

      I'd really love to be able to ditch Word, but for long (100+ pages), complicated (proposals with lots of formatting) documents that I need to share with Windows users, OpenOffice.org doesn't quite cut it. For simple documents that don't need to be maintained in any meaningful way by a group of coworkers who insist on Word, OpenOffice.org is perfectly fine.

    22. Re:Missing features still... by Karn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This reminds me of the people who used to bash Mozilla in its early days. Interesting how you don't see too much of that around here anymore. The last valid complaint about Mozilla is "I don't need an IRC/Mail/HTML Editor in my Browser!", and the Mozilla project is fixing that as we speak.

      OpenOffice IS relatively new, even though its code is based on StarOffice. Give it some time and I'm sure they'll work out the speed issues. As for simplicity, well, if Abiword already fills the niche for a simple word processor, why do you want another? Why have yet another simple word processor when the world lacks one that is compatible with Microsoft Word, which has become the defacto standard?

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    23. Re:Missing features still... by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you had a lot of experience with large corporations? They have certain standards, rules, regulations. For example, anything in my company with even the slightest bit of importance has to be readable by MS Word. I'm not saying whether this is right or not, but that's just the way it is. If you work for a big corp, you have to follow their rules. And by the way, many corporations have give their user very limited acess to their machines, retstricting installations to only developers. I'm not just talking about simple Windows permissions, but third-party addons and such. If you want OOo to spread corporately, you have to convince the higher (WAY higher) ups that it's good. Simply sending them OOo fiels will jsut piss them off and wind up with someone getting reprimanded.

    24. Re:Missing features still... by duck_prime · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's MS-Windows
      That's GNU/MS-Windows to you, pal.
  3. Great! by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does it do wordperfect files yet?
    That is what stops my household from using 1.0.x Instead we're still using Corel 7

    1. Re:Great! by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now convince your 60 year old father who runs a home office that he should do this to 3,000+ of his archived documents from projects dating back to the wordperfect 5.1 days, just so you can uninstall a piece of software he already owns, and you'll have an argument.
      The only reason he'll even use openoffice at all is if he gets a file in email that corel won't open.
      The technical ability do do something does not mean that your wetware will be compatible, especially if your method is tedious and painful. You learn that stuff after college.

    2. Re:Great! by Carrion+Creeper · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. Using openoffice would have the advantage of being legal, since he only has once license for Corel 7 2. Using openoffice would be a net install of a modern piece of software, which I think is a good idea in terms of compatibility. Otherwise I would just let him keep using netscape 4 3. Converting files one at a time would only annoy everyone as an added step to using old documents. It would also be confusing to them about with documents have been converted. 4. If Corel has to be installed anyways to do gradual conversions, no one will ever use openoffice. 5. He's an architect (which of course you didn't know) Buildings last a long time, and when someone comes back 10 years later the related documents are very relavent. He's lucky if he doesn't have to pull out the 5 1/4" floppies.

    3. Re:Great! by dominator · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please see http://libwpd.sf.net/ - a couple of AbiWord hackers wrote libwpd, and then wrote an OOWriter plugin for it. Complete with screenshots and downloadable binary plugins.

      Dom

    4. Re:Great! by mrscott · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't a matter of a document here and a document there. For some of us, a product without native support for wpd files is less than useless. Now... if you would like to spend your summer between semesters in DC at my workplace converting all 40,000 wpd files to an intermediate format, I'd be happy to provide you with a computer and an office. Oh -- and make sure to preserve the formatting.

    5. Re:Great! by tomstdenis · · Score: 2, Funny

      They do. [They're actually in the same class/stream as I am].

      But coming from Algonquin College means the code will be submitted in Visual Basic, only work on 1/4 windows boxes and have a slew of trivial buffer overrun errors.

      [and yes I realize that I'm a foron for going to this school too].

      Tom

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  4. new and improved! by zornorph · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neat features include built in PDF and Flash export, better MS Office document filters and more

    So now it filters out MS Office documents better?
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  5. BitTorrent by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone have a .torrent for this puppy yet?

  6. MS Office document filters? by GammaTau · · Score: 4, Funny

    Neat features include built in PDF and Flash export, better MS Office document filters and more!

    So, how well do the MS Office document filters work with procmail and spamassassin?

    1. Re:MS Office document filters? by aposch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who the hell modded parent up? I assume it should be funny (as the poster wanted) or offtopic (as I see it). But "informative"?

      There are days when I don't understand /.

  7. Nice by broothal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Openoffice has really matured lately. With at least two free (not as in beer) Exchange server substitutes, I reckon OpenOffice is ready for... the office.

    What I would like to read is a review of OpenOffice from some non-techie end user from a company that has switched to OO. Did the migration work seemlessly? Did the $ saved in software license measure up to the manhours the IT department had to use for support? Basically, a cost-benefit analysis, because a positive analysis like that is what it takes for the suits to recognize OO.

    1. Re:Nice by yelvington · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We're not exactly "non-techie," but we have been happy with OpenOffice in a Web design/development workgroup as a crossplatform substitute for MS tools. Our designers and developers aren't heavy users of word processing and spreadsheet documents, but they do have to correspond with the outside world, and OpenOffice has allowed us to save quite a bit on licensing fees.

      IT support manhours: Zero.

    2. Re:Nice by wolruf · · Score: 3, Informative

      there's one here: http://oootools.free.fr/memoire_cnam/ in french.
      Others (still in french): http://bureautiquelibre.org/

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    3. Re:Nice by Jellybob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, here goes your review (not an extensive one, but it'll do)...

      We're using it to train people in basic computer usage and word processing, and to display a powerpoint XP presentation for the course, because we don't have the funds to buy new Office licenses for the latest batch of laptops we got for off-site courses.

      MS Office "likeness" can be easily implemented by customising the toolbars (~1 hour to get it right), and is close enough that we've had few complaints from the people who (having looked terrified at the prospect of using a computer) started on OOo, and then moved to using Office XP at our main centre (where we already have licenses).

      Speed wise, it's a little sluggish starting up on the salvaged P233/64mb laptops we use, but once it's started (15-30 seconds), there's no noticeable speed difference.

      As ever there's the odd niggle, clipart works differently to MS Office (it would be nice to have a compatibility mode... I prefer the OOo way of using folders. Clients disagree, and prefer clear categories, and search function), and a few of the keys need re-mapping to work the same as the MS offerings, but overall, it's been a very successful trial, and saved us a couple of thousand in new Office licenses (even at charitable rates).

    4. Re:Nice by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 2, Informative

      We didn't really switch to OO, it came down to everyone needing some office software and the options being to spend about 5000$ on ms office for everyone or 0$ on openoffice.

      We are not a huge company (20 people in 2 depts) so we're not really an OO posterchild :)

      What we are however is a realistic example of IT companies trying to work in a dwindling economy (Germany) with the IT market being pretty messed up anyway. For someone in our position to spend the equivilant of an extra staff member or two on software which does not help our core business would be suicidal.

      Support = zero. The only times I ever had to do anything was one bug in file-saving (random bug, didnt happen again) and fixing the font sizes in redhat which is hardly the fault of OO. We don't have an office full of drones cranking out vbs infected spreadsheets. We do have a printing department but they wouldn't use an office package anyway as they need more accuracy. For "normal" office use OpenOffice is perfect for us.

    5. Re:Nice by Paolomania · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One hour to configure OO like MS Office? You must be getting deep down into the nitty-gritty of replicating the MS Office interface. It would be great to see all that experience configuring OO translated into a Configure-OO-to-act-like-MSO-HOWTO. ;)

    6. Re:Nice by lpret · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it possible to write a script to be able to change all those settings? That would be really nice to be able to download and/or use on a whole lab of computers.

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  8. Re:#1 Problem by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    It does both of the things you mention. Not perfectly, but then neither does Word when importing older doc versions.

    What rock have you been hiding uder?

  9. Talkback by Amomynos+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In RC1 is also a talkback style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information. I hope this will help OOo team to get rid of the bugs faster.

  10. My experience by anonymous+coword · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ive tried the betas, and yes, they ARE FASTER, but there is still some problems. First it still struggles with the fonts. It dosen't have Font config support So about 50% of my fonts don't work (including my MSTTF fonts).

    Secondly its annoying that it naggs you if you save in .doc format and tries to make you use its own proprietary format.

    Finaly That lightbulb has got to go. It's a horrible paperclip clone. Other than that, it's great, and that PDF export is REALLY helpful.

    1. Re:My experience by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 4, Informative

      own proprietary format

      Surely you mean it's own open format?

    2. Re:My experience by CanadaDave · · Score: 4, Insightful
      WTF? You're missing the point. Non-proprietary means that it's an open-standard, and so anyone can write a program to read-write in that file format. Compare that to Word, where people have had to hack it to figure out the file format.

      Nothing can read them because nobody has written software to do this yet! Not because they can't! OOo has such a small market share right now, there's no point in anyone creating coversion filters yet. If it ever had a larger market share than MS Office, MS would be forced to support the format, in order to increase market share. Or they'd be silly not to.

    3. Re:My experience by CanadaDave · · Score: 2

      Sorry there's a different between proprietary and supported. Why would any of those six or seven other apps you are referring to want to support OOo? MS is winning the war, and all the others are just vying for a piece of the market. Companies that make Palm-Office software or PocketPC software are obviously too tied up in MS and licensing to be able to support OOo right now. It's a bit of a chicken-and-the-egg problem though...so it will take some time.

    4. Re:My experience by snofla · · Score: 2, Informative
      IANAL, but see here: http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=a5aa8dd0. 0208271613.3cd18da6%40posting.google.com
      Summary:
      • US, expired last month
      • Europe, expiring June 19, 2004
      • Japan, June 20, 2004

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    5. Re:My experience by Ovidius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I have to hire a programmer to write a reader, then I may as well just stay with MS office.

      I know this isn't the point you're making and that you don't want to hire a programmer to write a reader (and you're right that you should be able to get plug-ins from the OpenOffice website), but I just want to say that it an open format is better for human society than a closed format. The fact that you could hire a programmer to do what you want to do, thus retaining the exercise of your free will, is important (or even that I could and you might benefit). It is much better than a world in which you are constrained in more and more of your daily activities by what is possible with mass-produced products that the marketplace has decided are the winners.

      A couple of posts below someone stated that Microsoft is winning the war, which is true, but the importance of choosing applications like OpenOffice and/or AbiWord, is not so that they might win the war over Microsoft, but so that our lives stop being treated like a battlefield by people we don't know and have nothing to do with!

      It will be a major victory (for us, not over Microsoft) when Microsoft realizes that what people want are open formats and interoperability, and that they'll make their software choices based on fearutes and quality. Of course people have to want that. I want it enough that I sacrifice a little convenience to use not-quite-ready but more open software. And I want you to want that. I don't think it takes very much courage to make that choice.

      Also, I'm a firm beleiver that it's better to hire people than to buy from corporations. I'd much rather transact my business one on one with a human being who gets the full benefit of what I pay him or her than be one of a million blips in the bank account of a corporation that milks every ounce of "productivity" from its workers.

    6. Re:My experience by Chester+K · · Score: 2, Informative

      Surely you mean it's own open format?

      No, it's own proprietary format, as in "designed by them, and only used by them".

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  11. Showstopper #1820 still open. by deragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    But bug #1820 remains unresolved. In all fairness though, things are a bit moving for this showstopper. Hopefully there will be a solution for it in the near future.

    For the few unaware of this bug, in Calc, if your locale uses "," (comma) as a decimal separator, your numeric pad is worthless because the num pad "." (dot) is interepreted as something else than a decimal separator. You imagine how difficult it is to convert people using Excel when you must explain that they cannot use their num pad anymore. And before you suggest remapping keys, please read the bug report. Many non english locales are affected by this bug.

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  12. For enterprise deployment... by Ciderx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seriously needs to be packaged as an MSI installer, preferably with a Transform creator so that the install can be customised as much as possible. To create a custom MS Office install for the entire enterprise takes 15 minutes, OpenOffice can take days to repackage...

  13. Did they fix the spell check by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope they've done something about the spell checking bugs. The support for anything other than United Statesian English is pretty bad. I wish I could just select Canadian/British English, as a default, and that it would actually have spell check capabilities for at least one of these languages. Considering the good international support of many other Open Source apps. This one just isn't up to par.

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    1. Re:Did they fix the spell check by Manos+Batsis · · Score: 2, Informative

      The support for anything other than United Statesian English is pretty bad.

      Actually, I've been using the Greek spellchecking and autocomplete features since the betas and they beat MS Office out of the water as far as my native language goes...

      Manos

  14. OpenOffice for Palm? by amichalo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does/will OpenOffice have/plan to have a build for Palm OS or other (read MS) variants?

    As more mobile devices appear in business markets (particularly new growth in the medical and industrial markets) I believe it is sound to include a strategy for atleast view if not edit capabilities for these smaller than life devices.

    Get an Apple and enjoy computing again

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  15. scripting by thoolihan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still can't see a lot of big companies switching because of embedded scripts/macros. The embedded vb stuff is pretty handy and makes up a lot of dynamic spreadsheets and stuff.

    I wonder if ooo.org will work in perl or some other handy dandy scripting tool. For what I do at home, it's good enough now, though.

    -t

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    1. Re:scripting by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't it already use a Visual Basic language for macros/scripts? Seemed so when I checked in 1.0

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    2. Re:scripting by axxackall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I can see in a changelog, Python now is a first class language to create components. I guess, soon in OOo you will have a scripting language, which will work same way in both Windows and Linux. Besides, Python is a real OOP language to be attractive for former Java programmers and it's a real scripting language to be attractive for former VB and Perl users.

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  16. Changes since 1.1 beta 2 by ChrisRijk · · Score: 4, Informative

    New features in OpenOffice.org 1.1rc over OpenOffice.org beta2 release:

    # a "talkback" style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information
    # new command line parameter -start to automatically start a presentation after the document is loaded
    # ability to update existing OpenOffice.org 1.0.x single user installations
    # support for drawing objects in headers and footers
    # an example XSLT filter for Office 2003 XML format
    # support for MS Excel 95 and older form controls
    # UNO python bridge - python is now a first class language for creating UNO components for OpenOffice.org
    # built in spell checking dictionaries for English (UK) and Italian
    # built in hyphenation support for Danish, English (UK), German and Russian
    # integrated Bitstream Vera fonts
    # improved spelling suggestions using n-gram scoring

  17. Big vs little improvements by FTL · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yes it imports Word documents better, yes it exports as PDFs, yes it does many nice new things. But I don't care. The only thing I care about is the fix for menus. When you right-clicked in the 1.0 version, the popup menu popped up on the wrong monitor. A stupid one-line bug. And quickly fixed (according to their Bugzilla). But one that has been driving me up the wall.

    Programmers take note. The media (this includes Slashdot) will report the Big Features. But the users will love it for the little features. For a successfull release you need both Big Features (so that word of the release gets out) and little features (so that users will like it).

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  18. OpenOffice 1.0.3 behavior hopefully changed by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Informative

    Something I thought was a very annoying feature in OpenOffice 1.0.3 was that it tries to be "smart" and open a file in a part of the office suite it "thinks" is best fit to do the job, and no apparent way to turn that function off.

    For example, if I choose to open a tab-delimited .txt file in Calc, it still open it in Writer. What?! I didn't tell it to open it in Writer. Even MS Office is more smart than that and imports it as best as it can by figuring out the delimiter etc, and certainly not tries to open it in the word processor, when I basically issued the command "ooocalc.exe table.txt". If it lacks the intelligence to open it, at least go confused and show me the Import dialog so I can properly import it as a tab-delimited text. But there doesn't even seem to be a setting for this...

    I noticed there's a setting in OO that let you select the default program to use. But I don't want to open any document in a "default" program, I want to open a document in the program I'm opening it with!

    So right now, I have to go through the looong path of starting Calc stand-alone, File->Open, select the .txt file, pick the .txt file format to be something like "Comma-delimited txt file" somewhere deep in its combo box and then it finally understands "aaah, it's delimited!" and stops forcing me to use another program than I'm trying to open it with.

    I really hope I'm missing something here, or this behavior will be fixed in OO 1.1, because I really despise programs that think, no... assumes, they know more than you do. I was also shocked to once again have to disable the paper clip feature in OO! Only difference was that the current incarnation was now a light bulb and not a paper clip. What progress the world is making. :-(

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    1. Re:OpenOffice 1.0.3 behavior hopefully changed by Cyno · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have no problems moving text and data around between Open Office formats and portable text files. But I usually call them *.csv, which brings up the import dialog whenever you double click on it.

      Normally a spreadsheet is exported as a list of common separated values. Even Excel can do this, but it has trouble exporting the data in the proper format with the right delimiters for importing into my CGI scripts. For converting *.xls to a comma delimited text file Open Office is the best thing I've ever used.

  19. Re:This is really great by Amomynos+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, for one, could do with having my ping times halved.

    I've written a simple bash script to halve the ping times. If you want it, just send $5 and the output format of your ping-command.

  20. Great for us, not yet for wide deployment... by Alkarismi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have tried rolling this out at a number of sites. YMMV but this is our experience:

    OO is *perfect* for a large range of users, it handles all the bases and it's interoperability with the rest of the world (i.e. MS Office) is 'good enough'.

    A significant proportion of users like it better than "the real thing" - heh, heh

    When a user comes down to the IT department asking for a copy of 'Office' for home it is the perfect opportunity for evangelism ("We can't let you have office, it's £500, but you can have this for free - it's almost as good, so you won't even see much difference").

    Management/Bean Counters *love* it - if you can lose £200-£500 *per desktop* every 3 years they'll think you can walk on water - especially if you've just lost them a few £100k off the cost of their back-end systems ;)

    HOWEVER...

    Much a I have unbridled enthusiasm for OO, and I believe it is an essential part of Open Source's killer nature, it is *not yet* a no brainer for the enterprise.

    Try giving it to a secretary. Worse yet, give it to a whole department of them. You will not get our ALIVE.

    OO needs much stronger mailmerge capabilities. Then it will be awesome from the secretarial point of view. Until then they would rather die than give up MS Office.

    OO, or a seperate project also needs a replacement for 'Access'. Yes I know we should be moving them to LAMP (and in fact we do a lot of this ourselves), but the honest truth is there are sh*t loads of companies out there with hundreds of little access applications. This is our market too.

    Anyway, as I said, YMMV

    1. Re:Great for us, not yet for wide deployment... by Kefaa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People like what they are used to. The do not like the new unless it is a significant improvement. This means, it is exactly what I had, only better. To get something different even if it is free, especially when it is corporate and not personal dollars at stake, is a fight with the Borg.

      In the early 80s the secretaries were certain that should they type a document it could just "disappear." And backups? They did not need to backup the typewriter, so why do I have to do something on the computer I did not need to do with the typewriter? However, show them a spreadsheet and whoa! That six hours with the ledger and cross checks just became 30 minutes and done.

      New meets resistance. OO could have reduced this a little by reconfiguring the menus to look like MS office by default (or maybe not it could be a legal issue). However, other than finding rare use items, I think this is more of an emotional issue than an application one. Not that those are not important, but they are not application specific nor fixable.

      In most cases a "management mandate" gives everyone something to cry about, but gets over the transition in record time.

    2. Re:Great for us, not yet for wide deployment... by pillohead · · Score: 2, Informative

      OO, or a seperate project also needs a replacement for 'Access'.
      There is one it's called mysql, check out the trail of tears article at linuxworld. I find it funny that all his problems are attributable to RedHat's piss-poor package management system (or any Linux distro for that matter). I did it using FreeBSD as the server with no hassles, on a mixed FreeBSD and windows network.

    3. Re:Great for us, not yet for wide deployment... by Alkarismi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey, thanks for the tip - I'll bamf over and check it out when everyones calmed down ;)

      Secretaries are a *real* conservative bunch and likely to p*ss themselves if you so much as mention csv files. For you and me this is a great thing. For them, if it deviates too far from the current (read MS) way, it's a no-no.

      Thanks again for the tip, I'll look into it.

  21. UNO by Surak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Two person UNO:

    Skip You. Reverse. Draw Two. Draw Four. Skip You. UNO! :-P

  22. That is the problem... by Prince_Ali · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OSS Community: Businesses should adopt open source software and get away from MS.

    Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.

    OSS Community: Create it yourself, lamer.

    Business Guy: Hello, Microsoft, I would like to order a 1000 computer site license for MS Office. Thanks.

    1. Re:That is the problem... by Stinky+Glen20 · · Score: 3, Troll

      Why can't I moderate :( I agree with the parent poster 100%.

      There's a certain arrogance (moral and technical) in the Open Source communitity that means MS will be around for some time to come just yet.

      Yes, things like "My Documents" may be stupid to *you*, but my mum knows where to find everything.

      I just installed Mandrake 9.1 to play around with. Shutdown the PC? Sure, go to a Terminal session and type shutdown -now.

      Mum, stick with windows. I don't need the support calls :)

    2. Re:That is the problem... by lpontiac · · Score: 2, Insightful
      OSS Community: Businesses should adopt open source software and get away from MS.
      Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.
      OSS Community: Create it yourself, lamer.

      But if you turn it around things are no better.

      Microsoft: We produce stable enterprise quality solutions for business. Buy our stuff.

      Business Guy: I'd love to if you just had [feature] which [some other software that may or may not be open source] has and makes my life a lot easier.

      Microsoft: *something along the lines of utter silence*

      Unless you're a valued customer in a niche market, any software will probably not work exactly the way you want it to, and specific requests for features will fall on deaf ears.

      If, say, you wanted some feature in MS Excel, your best bet at getting it implemented would be putting resources (hours from an internal employee, or dollars for a contractor) into getting it scripted in VBScript. Ditto for OOo's spreadsheet - no better, no worse.

  23. Linus is working on it ? by wolruf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    See http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/07/07/1516238.sh tml:
    "For example, the latest patch that I worked on myself (as opposed to working on merging other people's stuff) was to get X11 and Mozilla to load faster by improving the read-ahead heuristics for page faulting in the executable images"
    I hope this could also improve OO startup perf.

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  24. Customization by edwilli · · Score: 2

    At my office we use M$ Office and we do a lot of customization to it. I've never used Open Office but seeing as we get raped every year it might be nice to have an alternative.

    So, what kind of developmet does Open Office allow? And does it support database intergration and intergration with Exchange?

    1. Re:Customization by Anonym0us+Cow+Herd · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, what kind of developmet does Open Office allow?

      Read all about it. api.openoffice.org udk.openoffice.org

      Go over to OOoForum.org , go into the Macros and API section and read what people are doing.

      Go over to OOoDocs.org , they also have a Macros and devlopment section.

      You can write StarBasic code directly into OOo documents. You can write programs in Java to drive a running OOo, even on a different computer. (For example, a Java program on, say, Windows, telling an OOo running on Linux what to do.) You can write components in C++ or Java or Python.

      The Python UNO bridge is new. I haven't tried it yet. I believe you can do anything with Python that you could do with Java or C++ in OOo. StarBasic is limited in that you cannot create new components, it lacks sophisticated data structures, and you can only embed it within documents. The other languages cannot be embedded within documents (yet). I'm hoping to someday be able to embed Java classes or Python within an OOo document, just like I can with StarBasic macros.

      Be sure to download the SDK. Read the documentation, especially the developer's guide. The first big learning curve is to understand UNO. This is pretty much a prerequisite for everything else. Once you do though, you're on your way.

      Oh yeah, on languages that can access OOo. If you're on Windows, you can use Windows Automation. This means you can access it from, say, Visual Basic. I have seen OpenOffice.org programmed from Visual FoxPro.

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  25. One of the more worrying new features... by Pembers · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is the addition of a progress bar to the splash screen. (See this page, under "Other Enhancements", near the bottom.) This would normally be a sign that your code is getting a wee bit bloated.

    That said, I use OpenOffice.org 1.0.2 a lot at home, and am very pleased with it. It is slow to start, but is quite fast afterwards, and normally I have it running all the time. (This is on a 1.3GHz Athlon with 512Mb, running Mandrake 9.1.) I use mostly the wordprocessor, with a bit of the spreadsheet, and for my relatively simple needs, I've yet to find anything it can't do.

    I've never owned a copy of MS Office, so the improvements in compatability with it will pass me by. Occasionally, lusers send me Word documents, and OOo already does a good job of getting the gist across. Most of the time, they're not saying anything that couldn't be said just as effectively in plain text. If the formatting is too complicated for OOo to unmangle, well... the document probably wasn't worth reading anyway :-p

  26. Re:This is really great by popeyethesailor · · Score: 3, Funny
    I, for one, could do with having my ping times halved.

    Have you greased your Modem lately? Most of the latency you experience is because of rust.

  27. OpenOffice Upgrades a pain in Windows XP by CoasterFamily · · Score: 2, Interesting

    OK, so I run Windows XP at home. I'm trying to get into OpenOffice but the upgrade "scheme" is a pain. I haven't found an easy way to just update to the latest version. I normally go through and delete the current version (installed for the network and each individual user) and then install the new version. I have to say that this is a royal pain. Maybe I'm missing something but I find OpenOffice a pain to install in XP. Especially for multiple users.

  28. Re:Here is a mirror by borgdows · · Score: 2, Funny

    you bastard!!
    my boss was coming when I clicked on the link! :-/

    I will check twice before clicking a link in comments now :o)

  29. Re:This is really great by MeNeXT · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yikes! Man I moved off 95 because of the poor implementation on windows. I may be able to cut and paste in Windows but I am unable to save and open unless all softaware is written by MS (Yes this is exagerated like his statement).


    What I can't stand about Windows is all the people telling me how great it is, and most of them do not even know how to UNINSTALL some shit software that they have installed. These same people do not even pay for the software that they claim is soooooo great.


    Mark this as a troll I don't care!!! I have systems running which have been installed when 3.11 was the main OS for MS, and they are still usefull. The programs may no longer be availabe on the current systems which I'm using but MY WORK is still accessible. I had files that were on MS doc format and had to be converted into W97. They fell apart!! Then I went to RTF and never looked back. I will not go into the accounting package that ran on W3.11 (which could not even export to ASCII). I stopped trying to fit into my systems and started getting systems to fit my needs. Ever tried to share files on 3.1?? Have you setup a network printer with 3.11? I think not, otherwise you would never have made the above comment...


    My files are portable and can be viewed on ALL OS's including Windows. I can remotely and securely connect and access my files since 95. I can view, and work on a MAC, FreeBSD, Linux,and yes even Windows. I am FREE of Windows restrictions, as you can see from sig, for a very long time. In order to meet my needs Windows costs me more and offers less than most open source solutions. If tomorrow their is some new OS named OZ I'm ready baby...nothing to convert. NOTHING! Is all OPEN....

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  30. Truth from the Wife is PC Illiterate Dimension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife is illiterate in a pc world and because of my profession, uses me gratuitously for support. She is also a college student at 37 and must type many papers. Up until this summer she has only used MS Word for her work and has no knowledge of any other processing apps that are out there. I have a Win2k domain at home and I created an OO.org MSI install so that deployments are hands free, and simple. The results of the test? She did NOT realize that Word wasn't installed for two weeks. It's true that some of the menu items aren't there or are different but it didn't matter because she would call me any way. It turns out that there are features that she prefers now such as a much cleaner auto complete. I think we would all be making mistake by comparing OO.org to MS Office too directly. They are different apps with a different feature-set even though ostensibly they are both used for the same tasks. Sure there are bugs in OO.org, but ahem.... when was the last time you commented on a bug free MS Office? Besides that it would be worth three months of torture in hell to do away with that freakin paper clip!

  31. Just tried it... by Stinky+Glen20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My wife wanted me to install Word, but I sneakily installed Open Office instead.

    So far, she has been able to do whatever she needed in OO, and has not come across any limitations in terms of it's capabilities.

    My first impression of it was that it seems to be up to the task, but I didn't like how it started to prompt for Data sources when I first started it.

    Cool feature, maybe.. but let me find that stuff when I want it, not when I want to play with the tool and see what it does.

    Other than that small gripe, it's probably gonna go on any new boxes I build, unless a customer asks otherwise

  32. Re: on the other side... by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This company saves loads by adopting open source, so did my previous company. Sure we had to spend a little time and effort to investigate but we, the business were the ones who profited from it, and we profited over our rivals.

    What exactly do you expect to happen, perhaps something like this:

    Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.

    OSS Community: oh yes, no problem, we just spent the last 6 months working in our free time to make this software, let me just take a few days off work to do that for you.

    You are missing the entire point of OSS. If enough people wanted that feature then it would already be there. If just that company wants that feature then they can hire a coder to add it. They don't have some mystical right to demand features/upgrades just beacuse the software is open. What if they want a feature that ms office doesnt have?

  33. Re:OS X Open Office by fruey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After a while it won't matter how HUGE long PDF files can bceome (sic).

    I was going to moderate on this article, then I saw that, and I was going to mod you down. Then I thought I'd reply, which seems to be the logical thing to do actually, because the rest of the context isn't so bad.

    Saying that it doesn't matter how big files get is wrong. Files should become MORE efficient, and filesizes should only increase if the QUALITY of the data increases (here it's mostly file metadata, and AV applications, that I'm thinking about).

    Now, saying that a perfectly good format like PDF does not need some kind of efficient compression is wrong. The reason there are variances between Adobe PDF and "free" PDF is that Adobe have a better default compression setup, maybe even a proprietary compression algorithm, and it produces for their reader, not just a generic reader. PDF should make files smaller and smaller, based on common criteria like : format for screen display, format for print, format for archive...

    Keep images out of PDFs, just put text, and you'll see it's pretty efficient, and a gain on Postscript. Stick some image in there, and don't think about embedding it as a JPEG or whatever (as you can do with AdobePDF) and downsampling it to 72dpi if it's not a print version, and away ye go. Maybe free versions can do this but I would bet it's not as intuitive.

    But please, don't start claiming that documents can just keep getting bloated and it won't matter. This will only serve to further screw the less-well-connected into expensive bandwidth hell.

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  34. Come on guys, it's free! by bach37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe all the negative comments. You guys are so harsh towards something that is FREE! That is one thing that MS Office can never come close to. For many small companies or schools, free is an obvious choice over M$, and it will do the job. I can't believe how so many people here are very picky about little things. If you don't like it, pay the M$ tax and quit complaining.

    -Scott

    1. Re:Come on guys, it's free! by jridley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're getting on its case because it's so good. It's ALMOST THERE as an MS Office killer. We all want to be able to deploy it in place of MS Office.

      If your attitude is "It's free so it's OK for it to suck" then do you not think there's any reason to make open source software that's as good or better than commercial stuff?

      It's fine that it's good enough for small companies and schools. But it'll be even better when, one day, it's good enough to displace MS Office in really large enterprises! It won't get there if everyone is just saying "It's good enough for gramma to write letters, let's stop working on it."

    2. Re:Come on guys, it's free! by lpret · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's not complaining in the sense of "I'll never use it because of X," it's more of a "Here's what I've found when using it. It's great except for X. And you can't beat the price!"

      Perhaps nerds aren't used to expressing gratitude for near-perfect systems, as they tend to continue to work on a program until it is perfect in their eyes.

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  35. Re:What the people want is... by pointwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess you've been living partly under a rock then. Commercial alternatives to Exchange already exists and open source versions are under development and will soon be available. Take a look at http://kroupware.org/ and http://opengroupware.org/

  36. Splash ... Scream by zilde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is the splash screen (on Linux I've found it annoying) still there?

  37. Installed last night by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Informative

    My wife emailed me her resume (in .doc format, which, like it or not, is the standard nowadays) so I could review it.

    OpenOffice.org 1.0.3 crashed upon trying to open it. This is a Word doc that was exported from OO.org 1.0.3... how sad is that? I installed 1.1RC1 and it was just fine though. So I'd guess the import is improved.

    Installing RC1 on her system was rather more difficult... since the installer kept bombing about a UNICOWS.DLL error. Yes, the solution was easy to find on the website, but why not have a more useful error message than that in the first place? If it's a FAQ, it should be reasonable to integrate the error message into the installer rather than confuse the user. Most people will get an error like that and say screw it and go back to Word/Works/whatever.

  38. And while they're tweaking... by praedor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are still ignoring a really big, important feature: BIBLIOGRAPHY. The built-in bibliography "manager" SUCKS large rocks through capillary tubes. It is NOT useful in any way, shape, or form.


    If you are a high school or college student, or a professional who actually gives proper attribution rather than flat-out plaigerizes, or write scientific papers (biology, for instance - physics and math people use latex/lyx, end of story) you MUST provide references in your papers Research papers for class, papers for submission to professional journals, publications for dissemination online...all require references and a properly formatted reference list.


    I am a biochemist. I recently gave an Impress presentation to my colleagues on my research. Afterwards, a few had questions on what I was using...they noted that I was using linux on my laptop. I told them about OO/StarOffice. They were interested but ultimately I had to disabuse them of the idea of using it to replace Office because OO/SO cannot do references properly. These people use Office with EndNote so they can create a properly formatted and REFERENCED document for publication. Without reference management (ala EndNote-like capability) OO/SO is useless to them. A non-starter. I myself never use OO/SO for writing. I use Lyx plus pybliographer because between the two, I can relatively easily create a proper document with properly formatted references with ease. Can OO/SO do this? Not. Even. Close.


    OO/SO is nifty for doing "powerpoint-like" presentations and the Calc function is minimally useful (for real work I have to use gnumeric because it has some nice, handy scientifically relevant functions and capabilities that Calc lacks). For writing a letter or some similarly low-power document, OO/SO is fine. For real writing, Lyx/latex...because it is the only thing in the linux world up to the task.


    For god's sake! SOMEONE in the wordprocessing world (Textmaker, Gobe, OO/SO, etc) add the ability to manage references! This includes a SIMPLE means of inserting a citation or citations into a doc AND auto-generate configurable reference pages to go with it - not all journals or departments, etc, use the same citation and reference page formatting. Quit with the crap like adding a progress bar during startup (what the fuh?!) and do something worthwhile and actually useful. Add a real functional improvement rather than just more window dressing.

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    1. Re:And while they're tweaking... by praedor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you as dense as you seem? Yes, there was a day when there were only typewriters and everything was done by hand. Before that, it was all done by hand, for real, with pen and paper. Do you really suggest that this is an answer? With windoze and office/endnote, you have a simple, fast means of collecting, organizing, and utilizing references for writing researched documents. Such is the whole point of computers, to make such tasks (and others) EASIER. What planet are you on?


      Write a thesis in a scientific area and do all the references by hand. Your friends will finish their thesis far ahead of you and be enjoying the fruit of their graduate labor while you stupidly wile away your time doing what was once done on a typwriter on a computer. I suggest you get rid of your computer and use the typewriter alone as you obviously do not understand the point of technology, computers, etc.


      I had a thesis that was 180 pages in length and had ~800 references. Do that by hand? This is 2003, not 1973. We have COM-PU-TERS now with WORD-PROCESSORS. They make life easier when properly used/designed. That is their point for existence. Fine, you write a joke research paper with 10 references? Do it by hand, no problem. Write a real paper, say, for publication in Nature or the Journal of Biological Chemistry, and your data will be out of date by the time you hand-write and format the whole thing. If you do serious and thorough research-based writing you will have many references that makes it untenable to do it all by hand unless you don't give a rat's ass how long it takes you to get your document out.


      It is NOT going to make people jump to linux and OO/SO if you tell them that they "dont really need Office/Endnote, that you can do it all just as well by hand, so just use linux!" Sounds REAL good. You'll need to stand back to avoid being trampled by the stampede of people just dying to give up convenience and accuracy for tedium and error-proneness. Get real.

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  39. Try Kexi by EarthTone · · Score: 2, Informative

    KDE's KOffice is developing a *complete* suite of applications to replace MS Office. In your case, please investigate Kexi (www.koffice.org/kexi/), a true Access replacement.

    Eron

  40. Filters have definitely improved, but fonts... by karlandtanya · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Opening an excel sheet from work using the released version of Oo.o, it would take ~30 minutes, and then the merged cells were not correctly parsed. I had to select the entire sheet and manually remove merged cells in order to see the contents at all.


    Opening the same sheet with Oo.o 1.1beta1 & 2, tood a few seconds (didn't time it), and the cells were parsed correctly.


    But, my adobe type1 fonts are now missing from the selection pulldown!

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  41. Download links, features list by MagicFab · · Score: 3, Informative

    Windows Downloads:
    http://www.binarycode.org/openoffice/s table/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
    http://www.ibibl io.org/pub/packages/openoffice/sta ble/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
    ftp:// ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/openoffice/stable/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
    http://openoffic e.mirrors.pair.com/stable/1.1rc/OO o_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
    ftp://openofficeor g.secsup.org/pub/software/openof fice/stable/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
    ftp://mirrors.umbc.edu/pub/editors/openoffice/st ab le/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip

    Linux Downloads:
    http://www.binarycode.org/openoffice/s table/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
    http://www.ib iblio.org/pub/packages/openoffice/sta ble/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
    ftp ://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/openoffice/stable/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
    http://openof fice.mirrors.pair.com/stable/1.1rc/OO o_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
    ftp://openoffic eorg.secsup.org/pub/software/openof fice/stable/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar .gz
    ftp://mirrors.umbc.edu/pub/editors/openoffice /stab le/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz

    MacOSX Downloads:
    http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo- osx_download s.html#download

    New features in OpenOffice.org 1.1rc over OpenOffice.org beta2 release
    * a "talkback" style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information
    * new command line parameter -start to automatically start a presentation after the document is loaded
    * ability to update existing OpenOffice.org 1.0.x single user installations
    * support for drawing objects in headers and footers
    * an example XSLT filter for Office 2003 XML format
    * support for MS Excel 95 and older form controls
    * UNO python bridge - python is now a first class language for creating UNO components for OpenOffice.org
    * built in spell checking dictionaries for English (UK) and Italian
    * built in hyphenation support for Danish, English (UK), German and Russian
    * integrated Bitstream Vera fonts
    * improved spelling suggestions using n-gram scoring

    OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC Features
    2003-07-11
    Enhanced file format support

    * PDF (Portable Document Format) export
    * Support for mailing a document as PDF.
    * DocBook/XML import/export.
    * XHTML export.
    * Support for exporting as a flat XML file.
    * Support for Macromedia Flash (SWF) export.
    * Support for mobile device formats like AportisDoc (Palm), Pocket Word and Pocket Excel.
    * Example xslt based filter for Office 2003 XML documents

    Accessibility

    * Support for full keyboard navigation and control
    * Support for tracking system colour scheme and theme settings
    * Support for accessibility in the help system and documents
    * Initial support for Assistive Technologies via Java accessibility APIs

    Internationalization
    CTL, vertical and bidirectional writing

    * Support for vertical writing within text documents, text frames and graphic objects
    * Support for vertical writing in spreadsheet cells (the direction is individualy selectable)
    * Support for input, display and editing of scripts using Complex Text Layout (CTL)
    * Support for RTL layout and text in the OpenOffice.org GUI
    * Support for BiDi-writing in OpenOffice.org documents
    * Support for using either Arabic or Hindi numerals
    * The RTL vs. LTR default text direction is automaticly selected based on locale

    Other Internationalization enhancements

    * Support for various 8-bit Arabic and Hebrew text encodings / code pages.
    * Support for the KOI8_U encoding.
    * New CTL options tab in language options dialog.
    * Rescue mode support for BiDi/CTL with X11 fonts.
    * S

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  42. Re:word count... by labratuk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you ever tried going to File > Properties ?

    (it's something like that, i dont have it infront of me)

    You could even insert a wordcount field and hit F9 every now and then.

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  43. Needed features by t482 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1) Grammar checker in OpenOffice - for all the Non native English speakers

    2) A Mail and calendar application that is integrated. Yes Mozilla is partially integrated - but the Mozilla Calendar doesn't work properly.
    Currently it is crippled and needs some work. It should support ITIP, read emailed Outlook events, and ftp for calendar entries (not just webdav).

    2) Integrated GNUe small business accounting software to be released (and work). Eventually all small businesses want to use the addressbook from their accounting software.

    4) OpenOffice needs to be more accessible to programmers. It is difficult for developers to get started and contribute to this project as it is so large and complex.

    5) OpenOffice to start quicker in linux like the Ximian Hack but faster.

    6) A Lotus Approach/MS Access/FileMaker Pro replacement

    7) Prettier icons. Compare kwrite to oo write. The icons are much prettier - and that stuff sells.

  44. I second that by bytesmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I hate to be a "me too" poster, but the above poster is absolutely correct.

    I tried version 1.0 and almost immediately switched to koffice (on linux). (At work, I tinkered with OO and AbiWord, but for the most part I have to stick with department standards, so I still have MS Word there.)

    I recently installed the 1.1 beta, and it was dramatically better. Documents that choked 1.0 opened perfectly in 1.1. It even does a great job at handling PowerPoint presentations. (The main glitch I've noticed is it doesn't get the "path" correct when connecting two boxes with a connector line, but I imagine most simple presentations just have words and pictures.)

    I love the Flash export for presentations and the PDF export for documents. No more having to print to a PS file and convert it, or install some PDF writer print driver. I also like the ODBC data interface, although I haven't yet figured out how to create a new datastore to add things to.

    Aside from a few "cosmetic" issues (faster loading, more improved filters, etc.), the main thing they need to make OO a total MSOffice killer is an Access replacement, and possibly a Visio replacement. It would be nice if they could get enough developers to tackle the same kinds of projects as the KOffice team.

    As the parent post says: even if you didn't like 1.0, give 1.1 a try. It is a vast improvement.

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  45. Aqua version is NeoOffice...No OS X 1.1 by soullessbastard · · Score: 2, Informative
    A few notes:
    1. OpenOffice.org 1.1 RCs are not available for OS X. We just got it compiling a few days ago. And it'll require much more work then simply compiling it, such as testing, integration with the asian fonts and input methods, etc.

      Want it faster? Well, there's only so much two guys can do. We just finished our first full Gold Master release just two weeks ago and man, we need a vacation!

    2. Our OpenOffice.org Mac version is X11 based. It looks identical to using the Win32 version. It's functional, not pretty.

      Its installer will help a Mac X11 neophyte through the process of setting up an X11 environment. It's also got the Start OpenOffice.org project to allow you to launch it like a normal Mac application and do document associations (e.g. double clicking an OOo doc opens it up!).

    3. The Aquanative porting work is being undertaken in the NeoOffice project, not within OpenOffice.org. NeoOffice is a free software GPL version of OpenOffice.org.

      Two native versions are in the works, NeoOffice (Cocoa) and NeoOffice/J (Java2D...only for UI, it's still 99% C++! It's the shoddy C++ that's slow, not Java!).

      Because of political issues of submitting patches and difficulty modifying code owned by the gsl project, it's difficult to do this work within OpenOffice.org. We're also trying to take the project in directions that Sun doesn't want to take StarOffice, and OpenOffice.org really is just the StarOffice development team with its own motivations needed to keep their jobs...and helping a bunch of free software dudes isn't one of them. As sucn, there may unfortunately never be an official OpenOffice.org Aqua port with a true Mac UI.

    4. We're moving NeoOffice up to 1.1, but have to get OOo compiling first. Not enough people are helping out to allow us to focus on the fun stuff, so we've got to do the grunt work as well.
    5. We're working as hard as we can (c'mon, we're not paid!), and you should keep your pantyhose on. OpenOffice.org 1.1 Developer Preview for MacOS X shall be coming soon (e.g. we've had time to stop committing patches and make a really rough really untested binary). And also coming down the pike is another binary of NeoOffice/J with full Japanese support, both for input as well as localization!