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New Sony Clie PEG-UX50
webguru4god writes "Sony Japan has just released a killer new Clie, complete with integrated Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and a camera, in a small laptop-like enclosure. It runs Palm OS 5.2, has a 65,000 screen, and a built in keyboard! " I've always been a bit skeptical of handhelds that have flip out
keyboards like this, but have repeatedly been impressed with the quality of various models of Clie. This might be worth a look.
...but it will shave your cat, clean your oven, and vacuum the carpet! Tally ho!
First post!
"But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong" - Dennis Miller
All I need is this and a pack of sidewalk chalk and it's time for some fun I hope I don't get stopped for vandalizing :(
ALL WIFI POINTS ph34r my chalk!
Excuse me, I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean
The handheld body is made of magnesium.
Better hope it doesn't rain!
At last somebody understood people wanted to type on their PDAs instead of learning how to use Graffiti or a soft keyboard. I have a Sony PictureBook and I love it. This is going to rock.
What is a 65,000 screen? How do you interpret that? Maybe I just don't get around as much as I used to.
Anybody else in this boat?
Sony rates the battery life at 14 days with 30 minutes of typical use per day.
So, just say 7 hours. Unless of course sustained usage drains the battery faster.
Either way that's pretty good since my iPaq can now barely run for 45 minutes without a charge. I have a backpaq arriving soon with extra battery capacity so that should help.
It looks like a laptop for midgets. I guess that's not bad. Even Willow needs to check his email.
Another article with more detailed information can be found at infoSync World.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
More details and an official US announcement are expected tomorrow (7/18) when Sony's handheld President, Masanobu Yoshida,
Why did they make him president if he needs someone to hold his hand ??
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
Talking to a wireless engineer at Sony, they are really interested in finding a way of having ubiquitous 802.11 access everywhere. With devices like this, who can blame them.
Trouble is, he also said Sony wants a piece of the service market offering that access. Seems to me I would stick with being a hardware provider and let the ISPs sort out the delivery. Of course, with Sony being in the content business as well........
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does it run Linux?
has a 65,000 screen
65,000. Hrm...
65,000 color screen
65,000 pixel screen
65,000 dollar screen (ack!)
I don' need no of you're steenkin' english classsess!
He doesn't need to have his handheld. He is the handheld President because he is small enough to hold in your hands. It is really great for when a full-sized Sony president just won't fit in your luggage.
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
it on Digit Life first.
Clamshell Clie
sulli
RTFJ.
Perhaps this is just meant to be a laptop for very, very small people such as himself.
Check the story here: http://myhome.spu.edu/time/mirror/Clie-UX-50.htm
The enlarged pics are here and here.
Do not read this sig.
...It has 32mb of RAM, with 16mb available for use...
umpf... my iPod has 30GB. How come they can't build PDAs with a decent storage inside ?
When will I end this grieving ? When will my future begin ?
I want one. I like the flippy screen particularly.
I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
The next one will surely have GPS, duct tape dispensor, phasor, bowie knife, ball of string, elastic band compartment and five loaves & two fishes.
Am I the only one who still, after years of seeing laptops(and now phones) and PDAs with digital cameras find them cheesy?
I hate the phone cameras- it's an instant turn-off to me, a guarantee I'll pick another model; I'd rather they spent $ on useful features that directly apply to the device's purpose and functionality. PDAs are for storing information- not taking crappy, small pictures that are bested by a 5-year-old "regular" digital camera.
Please help metamoderate.
Sony couldn't BUY better advertising!
One of the owners of the company I currently work with has taken me aside many times and has me on a quest for what I think is the unattainable... mainly because the idea is retarded.
But I have to ask, since this seems about like the perfect place to do so. Or instead of asking - maybe I should just describe what he wants and enthusiasts can chime in.
He wants a handheld device. He loves Sony products, and hates Handspring products. He has no real reasons or logical justification for this as far as I can tell - but he isn't going to change.
He wants something that will keep track of all of his appointments. He wants something that can play mp3s.
Ideally it would also have a camera and a phone in it, but that isn't necessary.
But what he *really* wants... and this is the part that I find amusing - he wants this thing to have a phone jack in it.
For two reasons - the first reason is so that he can put a phone line into it and record conversations. For some reason he thinks that there is a large demand for this, just because he wants it.
He also wants this thing to be able to check e-mail - but he doesn't want to pay cell phone charges for checking e-mail, and bluetooth and wi-fi are out because he wants to travel the globe with this thing and plug into the phone lines at hotels and then dial up and check his e-mail. Via the modem jack of course.
I thought I had him sold on the cool Neuros, but then this phone jack idea occurred to him and he is now focused on that.
The worst part is that he finds the fact that it doesn't exist and that nobody else would want this a personal failing on my part.
As if I'm just not trying hard enough.
I feel like telling him that if he clicks his heels together, rubs a lamp, and also *really* believes in it, then it will happen.
Anyway, anyone know of such a beast to exist? (he has a laptop, but apparently that is "too bulky" - so that solution is out - and I know that Handspring has plug-ins for all of that stuff, but he hates Handsprings and refuses to ever own one)
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
I've been waiting for Sony to answer the call and offer a cross between the NV/NX series and the TG series, giving us a large screen, camera, and Bluetooth support.
I'm just curious how much it weighs and how it compares in size to my current NX70V. The Bluetooth/wireless options and the laptop-like design please me considerably though.
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word to your moms... I came to drop bombs...
looks like it's time to head back to best buy with my extended warranty and my peg-760 that "all of the sudden started losing it's memory about once a week...." ;)
//comments are for suckers
//coders read code
Unfortunately, Sharp doesn't appear to be in any hurry to release an english version of the Zaurus c760 (Same form factor as this Clie), which would be more expensive and wouldn't inlcude the bluetooth, wireless, and camera that make this device so spiffy.
And you'll NEVER see a PocketPC in this form factor. Microsoft very narrowly dictates the hardware that a PocketPC device can have. The closest you'll ever come is a iPaq with a detachable thumboard.
-Desco-
If this thing tops $500, won't people start just looking at a laptop?
It's neat and all in a gadgety way, but PDAs need to be small and light so they fit in your pocket. The problem of course, is that when they are tiny, data input is a bear - and it always will be till voice recognition/mind plugs replace grafiti and thumboards.
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
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ah, if only i could find a way to bring that full circle, my karma would be mighty indeed...
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Ooh. I feel my previously-unwavering desire for a Zaurus 760 beginning to wane...
Kind of makes you wonder, once again, what Sony will do with Sony Ericsson and its' smartphones, such as the P800. The PDAs and the smartphones are getting more and more similar. Seems kind of foolish for Sony to have different strategies (not to mention different OS platforms - Palm and Symbian OS) for the two.
.Net remains to be seen. I guess that's what Sony's waiting for.
:o)
So far Sony is using Sony Ericsson to keep one foot in the mobile phone market, which is pretty much controlled by the operators (who Ericsson has steady relations to). This won't last forever, however, as the two markets merge and wireless internet access becomes transparent.
Then, as with the PC market, developers and content makers will be ones leading the market. They will choose the platform that provides the greatest leverage for their applications. If that platform is Palm OS, Symbian, Java or
This new Clie is pretty cool to have while waiting, though. I most certainly want one!
Where does one draw the line at what to call a PDA? I personally view that little device as more of a laptop. I look at PDA's as cheap things to keep addresses on, store books, and other simple things. Something like this falls closer to the laptop category to me. Now if only I could boot Linux on it, I would be all over it.
Sony Japan didn't release it today, they announced it. It will be released in Japan around August 9th, and no date has been given for the US. Sony's handheld president Masanobu Yoshida will hold a press conference in Sanfrancisco Friday announcing a new PDA (almost certainly this one) for the US.
This device looks great (finally a clie with an acceptable amount of RAM et all), but I would need to be quite desperate to buy a 500 dollar pda running PalmOS 5.2 when PalmOS 6 will probably be released later this year.
I certainly wouldn't like to bet on the upgradability of these devices...
I know that they can build 8 gig hard drives the size of a credit card. (slightly thicker though) I wonder when they are going to start using them in PDA's?
For that much i would expect a handheld microcomputer that would have alot more power. It seems this targetted for the affluent which is good business ofcourse.
it has 320x480, 64k color display, same as what is already available for a long time. same goes for bluetooth. the only new feature is wi-fi which was available previously through external CF cards.
Other than new look, i failed to see anything newsworthy in this.
Sony rates the battery life at 14 days with 30 minutes of typical use per day.
Or in other words...
Sony rates the battery life at 30 days (about 1 month) with an ample 15 minutes of typical use per day.
Bet this
When they can make the batteries last longer than half an hour.
...but I just CAN'T believe Sony's president is handheld-size! I realize Japanese people are smaller than most, but come on!
(RTFA if ya don't get it)
in PCWorld.
The camera can take 640x480 shots even though they don't fit on the screen. And has "movie recorder" software, I'd like specs on its movie recording capability. If it can take 320x240 MPEGs at 30fps I'm buying one as soon as they are released. If its some weird file format, or less than 20 fps, or not at least 320x240 I'll wait and buy a real digital movie camera instead.
Also it has USB and infrared ports of course.
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I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Sony Clie PEG-UX50 fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Sony Clie PEG-UX50 for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Sony Clie PEG-UX50, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Sony Clie, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Sony that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Sony Clie PEG-UX50' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Sony Clie PEG-UX50 is a superior machine.
Sony Clie addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Sony Clie over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Heck, I would consider this straying too far from the promise of a personal digital assistant.
Look at it; it's like a mini-laptop. Laptops from 12-14 years ago had similar screen resolutions and CPU speeds (even if they had less power, were bulkier, and lacked Wi-Fi/Bluetooth, etc). What it looks like is a Vaio Laptop Junior.
I have a Clie NRV70. It's nice (except for the datebook bugs), but it's incredibly bulky compared to my Vx. It'd be nice if sony would have an external keyboard that's attachable when you're sitting for a while. The camera feature is similarly handy, but somewhat silly when you consider that most people have good digital cameras. I want a wicked PDA, not a wimpy jack of all trades. That's just another reason why a PDA shouldn't have a 30gb hd in it.
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Okay, okay, this is all well and good. I think the thing is cool as anything I've seen in the PDA market, but we all have to keep something very important in mind: the price. I hope I'm not the only one who has realized this thing will undoubtedly be as expensive, if not MORE expensive than the $800 NZ-90, which may be worth its weight but is still too expensive for the average income-bringer. I wish that Sony could, instead of constantly coming out with expensive, fully-equipped PDAs, come out with a few solid, varied budget machines. THe SJ-22(or whatever it is) is a good PDA, and cheap, but Sony should be able to provide more in that price range. Still, I am very excited about the prospects of wardriving with a laptop-style PalmPilot! I should also point out to the unknowing that this model shares a close form factor(not size) with two Japanese Sony Micro-notebooks, which are available from Dynamism, the U3 and the U101.
I heard that if you're:
Using the integrated Wi-Fi while having the blue-tooth disabled
and touching the casing of the unit
and standing on carpet
and someone IMs you
it gives you a mild electric shock...
Self realization: I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said: "I drank what?"
I've had an Intermec 6651 for close to a year and, though it's a Windows CE machine, it plays MP3's, makes movies/takes photos, does the nifty flippy thing, has a touchscreen, etc, etc. I bought mine on e-bay for $300 and its been running ever since.
This seems like a lot of money just for the Sony factor
Talk about arse kicking.
Howevere this bares more than a passing resemblence to the new sharp Zaurus models.
A 65,000 screen! What's a 65,000 screen?
Never forget the towel!
I think all these companies have the wrong idea. Here's my idea. You build a ultra small form factor PC that has no display, no cdrom. Just wireless, VGA maybe some USB and a great battery. Then you buy one of these nifty goggles and figure out some kind of input device and you are money.
... I found something called the Mini-PC-EX1 which is 450g (pretty light!) but it has a CDROM and is still a bit clunky...
now, if only some one kind find me one of these ultra small form factor PC's
So, the question i ask is this? Anyone know of a truly ultra small form factor displayless pc? (that runs linux)? And, anyone know how I could input into this device with enough speed/accuracy to code?
Just imagine entire corporate headquarters transforming into parks where people wander around with eyeglass mounted displays, and pocket size pc that are wireless connected... No need for small stuffy offices or cubicles...
If you know anything please contact me with information...
Funny, looks surprisingly similar to a design I drew up last year in 2002.
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http://www.porthaven.com/archiveimages/dreampda.g
How long is going to be before the size of laptops and PDA's are the same? Seems to me that they're on that path right now. I've never owned a PDA and hope I never have to. Maybe it's because I'm not as important as everyone else or i just find it easier to write stuff down if i have to remember it. I also don't own a cell phone and hope I never have to.
So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
but it needs a CF slot. What are they thinking?
Welcome to the land of the free...pay toll ahead...no photography...please open your bag...
GRRR! Another poorly designed handheld. Looks like the typical hard-to-touchtype keyboard that is so common on these little things. Rounded buttons tiny buttons are inferior to indented square buttons. The battery life of 7 hours (30 min/day x 14 days) also sucks for sustained note-taking applications.
Why don't people want usable keyboards and long battery life anymore? Why did Psion die?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Actually phones with built in cameras have become popular with people who have to work in the field such as insurance claims inspectors, construction contractors, etc. They don't need big, pretty images, just clear enough to send back to the main office or their boss and get a reply without someone having to make a trip or wait a day.
Oh, my heart skipped a beat there.
I'm expecting delivery of my Zaurus C750 today(!). After a long and relatively constructive affair with PalmOS devices, I decided to bite the bullet and get a device that I could actually do some work on (text & spreadsheet documents, email, browsing), rather than just coordinating the work. The last straw was HandEra EOL'ing their PalmOS hardware just as I was looking forward to turning in my 330 for an upgraded version with a color screen.
But Sony has never been a viable alternative from my POV. Why? All that proprietary crap. I don't want to get into a PalmOS vs Linux/Qtopia debate (I like both), but the Sony custom menu-scrolling-rolodex thing is just horrid (my def of "horrid" is that it slows down usability and doesn't even look cool), and the screen resolution breaks some of my most useful apps. The hardware is the same: Memory sticks are a "non-starter" as those inside the beltway might say. Sony-only accessories? Nah. I really dig having two standard (CF and mmc/sd) ports, and I'd be hard pressed to give that up. It's nice having extra memory, a communications device, AND a keyboard at the same time, ok? So the 5600 Zaurus seemed like the natural progression. Then the C7x0 series came out, and I could resist no more.
Now, am I sorry I didn't wait for the PEG UX50? Not at all. The UX50 will likely be in the same price range ($650+/-) as the C750/760's and has the same swivel-screen keyboard setup. Nifty. But the screen resolution of the UX50 is half that of the C7x0, it's got only a small fraction of the user memory, you can't expand with standard devices (CF memory, modem, serial, external monitor, etc), tho the built-in wifi i nice. A 0.3 Mpixel camera is the same as the PalmPix, no? I have one; it's useless. The screen swivels in the UX50, but does not switch display orientation. The only advantage I can see is that it *might* be available in the US with direct manufacturer support before Sharp starts selling the Zaurus here.
Just my $0.02US.
J
I think not...(*poof*)
Remember?... "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."
If they were pitching it, they would be telling you where you could purchase one that you profit them.
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I'll buy anything that encourages shaved pussies!
it looks just like a personal organiser
personal organisers...
"it should be more sleek - get rid of the keyboard"
palm computers...
"it should be more convenient - give it a keyboard"
palm computers with keyboards
I dont complain about the content, but about the wording:
the new KILLER pda with all kind l33t a$$ features like ÜBER 65000 screen and blablabla.
It just sounds like one of the commercials i like least.
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
again... submit your own. It's public created content.
I was hoping they would have a GPRS modem in the new Clie. If I'm in a "wifi zone" I'm probably near a computer or laptop.
Of course people use technology different than I do, but my Sidekick and GPRS through tmobile keeps me attached to the product. I get mail, web, and chat anywhere I go.
I'm going to hold back my gadget lust back until the Treo 600 comes out. They've already announced plans for GPRS support and I believe Compaq is putting GPRS modems in their future PocketPC models.
Who says i dont? :)
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Well, i guess with all the pda fanboys around i should be happy to be informed about this awesome new product. WITH A 65000 SCREEN...
Ok ok, the horse is death, i can finally stop beating
(mental notice: stop beeing annoyed about badly written acticles. People wont get a joke and you will only burn karma in a series of troll moderated post during you fruitless effort of explaining you position)
->entering karma recharge mode....
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
This design is nothing new, really. Remember the first wave of Windows CE devices that looked exactly like this? Sure, its been updated to the latest and greatest, but from a design standpoint its nothing revolutionary.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave but one."
If that's not asking for a slashdotting, I don't know what is.
Second, you'd think with the top-of-the-line Clie and a top-of-the-line Memory Stick Pro, you could at least play back sony's proprietary ATRAC3 files -- no such luck. MS Pro doesn't support them. (Of course you couldn't play them from the CF card anyway, so who really cares, unless you want to fit a lot of songs on the device.)
Third, Sony's audio API is completely proprietary, so the chances of seeing a VBR MP3 or OGG Vorbis player are slim-to-none, until someone reverse engineers it or they publish the API.
If the DSP in this UX50 can handle VBR MP3s and OGGs, I would be very tempted to return my Clie NX80 today and wait for it! (Of course who knows how long that could be -- September, probably.)
By the way, for anyone who cares, the major differences are:
- NX80 has 1.3mp camera, UX50 has 300kp.
- NX80 supports memory and Sony WiFi CF cards; UX50 has WiFi, but no CF support.
- sideways form factor
- new CPU of some kind, as yet unknown
- larger keyboard
- jog wheel on top front instead of jog dial on side
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seriously: good call by that webmaster. i was having a lot of trouble bringing up the techspot site for about half an hour or so...anybody know if there many sites doing this sorta heads-up, anti-slashdotting armoring?
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and of course when it can be run for more than 5 minutes on the clie's battery...
The Clie can use Bluetooth to connect to your Sony Ericsson GPRS phone. For some reason Sony isn't trying to merge their phone and PDA product lines.
I really hope you are aware that an ipod has an internal hard drive. hard drives offer much more storage space, but are way way way slower.
Flash memory is usually what is included in smaller mp3 players (in the 32mb-256mb range for example) and also in these hand helds. Flash ram has advantage of keeping what it was storing, even when power is turned off.
PC's use another kind of ram, which is fast, is cheaper than flash memory (thus you can afford more), but loses its contents when power is disconnected.
Just because they share the same unit (byte), doesn't mean they're the same thing.
no comment
Two questions:
I am using an ancient Sharp OZ-770PC because I simply cannot find a modern organizer with a form factor I like better. (Also, 2xAA batteries last it like 6 months) The TMobile Sidekick looked interesting, but that was about it.
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AHA.. the TROLL STRIKES AGAIN!
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Mac fanatics (Score:-1, Flamebait)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 19, @03:29PM (#5546279)
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a 8600/300 w/64 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 300 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable system
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SGI Problems (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 14, @02:50PM (#6435975)
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you SGI fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a SGI (a 3000 w/64 GB of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this SGI, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various SGI, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a SGI that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the SGI' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 3000 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the SGI is a superior machine.
SGI addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a SGI over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
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Why are so many electronics manufacturers insisting on putting tiny little battery sucking crappy resolution cameras on everything?
I have been shopping for a new cell phone for the last few months and almost all of the new nice phones have a POS camera attached. I don't want that crap, and I have no idea who does. They drain the battery, get broken, dont look nice and add useless bulk to the device and the OS.
This Clie looks really nice, but I will not even considder buying one until they offer a camera-less version. I have a very nice 4.0 megapixel camera with it's own memory, own card and it takes great pictures, I dont need some piece of crap camera on my phone or pda.
Why slashdot? WHY???
(B) + (D) + (B) + (D) = (K) + (&)
The hole thingy to the bottom left of the keyboard is for a:
a) Wrist strap
b) Key fob
c) Neck chain
d) Cowboy Bob Secret Decoder Ring
Look at all the happy creatures dancing on the lawn...
Put in GSM, and I'm buying.
OTOH, I'm not even interested in the Treo 600; I want a PDA with a GSM in there, not a phone with PDA functionality on it (they already exist, and suck).
I want the screen realestate and (even just limited) data entry, not a small toy I can't read a book on or plot my programmable calculator of choice on.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding exactly how much memory this thing has internally. I've heard everything from it having 32MB or RAM to 104MB. So what the hell is the *real* total? To make matters even more confusing, every diagram I've seen on this thing shows 4 banks of memory, each marked as 16 megabits (not megabytes).
8==8 Bones 8==8
Wha? The thing is big enough, why don't they just throw the palm OS on one of their transmeta machines?
I want a PDA that will fit in my pocket COMFORTABLY. The Tungsten T is already too large (as a result I don't carry my palm with me everywhere anymore ) WTH would anyone want this thing?
Nothing new here except the CPU and RAM allocation.
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The "Sony Handheld" engine concists of an ARM926-based CPU that can vary between 8Mhz-123Mhz (performance vs battery life trade-off), built-in GPU/DSP, 64Mbit of on-chip RAM, direct interface for MemoryStick/USB/Camera/audio. Basically a single chip computer.
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/200
The UX50 also has a strange configuration of RAM. 32MB DRAM, 16 of which is user sable (the other 16MB is for system heap space). Then there's another 64MB of non-volitile RAM. 22MB of that is used for files you normally can't store in PalmOS RAM (MP3s, andanything that isn't in Palm db format). Another 16MB of non-volitle RAM is used for automatic backups.
Wow! A 65,000 screen!! I always wanted one of those...
I had thought this form factor had died out? It is DAMN hard to type on those little keyboards!! If you want more input functionality than a handheld, get a subnotebook like the Sony Picturebook or Fujitsu's Lifebook P-series. If you want more computing power in a handheld, get a tablet pc.
I had a Psion Series 5 for a while, which also feature a keyboard plus pen input. Despite how dated it is, I still consider it a great little machine--responsive, neat software, worked well with windows, etc. But that keyboard made my hands scream. Eventually, that became the key factor why I gave up using the thing.
I guess one caveat is that I haven't tried the new thumb-boards that are on the zaurus and the new palms, but at least they don't even pretend to be for real typing--and I can see how they'd be useful for passwords, etc.
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iPod, UX-50. iPod, UX-50. CiPod, UX-50. Crap! No fair! I really didn't want to be a gadget freak, but crap! These are too cool!
There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
I would not want to type, say, my thesis, on those funky little Clie keys. The folding keyboard seems much better if you need to type a lot of text. And if you don't need to type a lot of text, what's wrong with the stylus? (Hint: use the little tap keyboard, with practice it's faster than handwriting recognition, at least for me.)
I spend a lot of time in situations where neither wireless nor full size keybards are practical, so what works well for me might not be as good for other people.
hi !
...is there anyone capable of telling me if i can change OS on this new clie ?
...maybe a double boot system with palm and linux available ? ...well this might seem s-f to those of you who understand hardware/OS compatibility issues better then me; but it is actually possible to double boot under qtopia and debian on the zaurus sl-7xx series. you can even jump from one to the other on the fly...
i'm a newbie and just ordered a zaurus sl-c760 from a jap friend of mine because i can install debian on it, and start learning serious linux.
i mean install linux on a memory stick or the RAM available and reboot from there...
is any kind of linux OS install possible on this new clie then ?
thx a lot,
a.
Does it have a crippled CompactFlash slot like the other top-of-the-line Clie models?
So much wasted space around that screen!
I wouldn't try to sell him on this. Really. And I'm a true Zaurus user and love the unit myself.
But consider this:
He gets his new Zaurus. If he's not technically inclined, and many managers aren't, he'll have a hell of a time figuring out what to do when things go wrong. But let's say you've got that covered by giving him a nice big SD card to back up all his data. Backup/Restores are pretty straight forward,I guess. The problem comes when he wants to install some new apps on it. Right now the Zaurus community is so splintered, it's not even funny. Go to www.zaurus.com/dev/ and count how many different ROMs there are, none quite compatible with the other. Now go to www.killefiz.de and look at the apps there - there are a ton, but if you don't know what you're doing you'll end up with an app that won't run on your particular ROM. And when you try to install it, you'll get the ever-so-helpful error msg Something's wrong with ipkg.
I think the Zaurus has a LOT of great potential, but for mass use, it's not there yet. Truthfully, I don't know that it will ever be accepted by the masses. Sharp goes back and forth on it's support, and seems to be slowly dropping support/sales everywhere but in Asia.
OK, having said all that, if your boss DOES like to tinker and get under the hood (or if, by proxy, you do), then by all means, check it out. You should be able to find some good deals of both the 5500 and 5600.
The graffiti system of text input isn't anyone's favorite: slow, prone to error, and pointless for westerners to learn, since the few characters of this alphabet can be easily deployed over the area traditionally reserved for graffiti input.
/ feat4.html also at the Decuma site www.decuma.com) With good processing speed, this is a nice implementation from the point of view of those using a writing system of thousands of characters.
However, this device with its Decuma software points up how nifty stylus input is for Japanese. The interface interprets the strokes of the stylus and gives a set of best guesses for the user to choose from. (visible, lower-right, here http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/PEG/PEG-UX50
Keyboards (remember Japanese typewriters) have not been ideal for this language; maybe the PDA is.
Yeah, Sharp really need to get the Zaurus 7-series shipping in the USA, if they want to have any hope of selling any.
I was waiting for a Sharp Zaurus, but it looks like Sony are going to release my next PDA first.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
When you say form factor, I assume you are talking about the landscape layout, not the height/width stuff, because there are PPCs that are much smaller than this thing. For keyboards: http://www.pocketpcmag.com/sep03/Images/Sept03_p18 _1.jpg
They already have integrated keyboards. True, they arn't in landscape mode, but WinCE can easily support landscape mode, you can tweak any ppc to run in landscape. I guess the deal is you wouldn't have the thumbboard in the right spot, and it wouldn't open like a laptop, but M$ has opened the WinCE code so anyone can develop their own CE device so I don't see why someone can't put out something just like what Sony made on CE.
The Samsung Nexio S160 is very close to this form factor running a MS OS. So it's certainly doable, just not seen as marketable in the US yet.