ocatal for dec 10, hex 0x0a and bin b1010 would be o12. for my next trick I will use the entire alphabet and number system to show that the base sixty [0-9][A-Z][a-x] representation would end as 'A', but I don't know what the prefix would be.
Please not: The Debian Testing birthday cake will have 10 candles, the Debian Unstable birthday cake will have 9, and the Debian Stable birthday cake will have 7 -- and will only be upgraded to 10 candles when the concept of 10 candle cakes has proved itself sufficiently robust.
Scheduled for sometime around Debian's 15 birthday.
However, the recipe for the cake will be freely available and modifiable for all, as will instructions for the manufacture of the candles, and the party hats.
-- Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
Re:Debian Design
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beezly
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Wrong! Debian unstable should have 10, then testing, then stable
Though it does work in a way. I simply figured you meant that unstable had more candles than testing, but only nine were currently working.
-- Everything will be taken away from you.
Re:Debian Design
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Anonymous Coward
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That and the fact that every Debian advocate I've talked with is an zealot.
Same with Gentoo. Exactly the mutha-fucking same.
Let's face it - you switched to Gentoo because you wanted Debian unstable, but Gentoo was newer, had Larry the Cow, u know, a bit of attitude, and was just a little more hardcore.
So let's also face that you suck.
You suck.
Re:Debian Design
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, RH 7.3 was pretty darn good.
Re:Debian Design
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Anonymous Coward
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What was that phrase I was looking for? Something about a pot and a kettle. It escapes me at the moment. I'll get back to you.
run a dist-upgrade on your debian box...slink is no longer stable
Happy Birthday!
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cspenn
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Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
They call it the "Easy Install Distribution"
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Anonymous Coward
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Because with debian you absolutely won't have to do the following things manually: - write your XF86Config - configure your sound
Worm?
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Anonymous Coward
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Is the new RPC DCOM worm setup to have all the zombies suddenly start posting to slashdot?
Re:Worm?
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Anonymous Coward
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Actually it's just a list of open proxies posted using a perl script called shitstorm. Everyone already knows the GNAA are a bunch of script kiddies. What I am surprised about, though, is that Sourceforge agreed to host a project whose sole purpose is trashing others' websites.
Debian's greatest achievement?
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Urkki
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Is that apt-get?
I mean, same kind of system is now all over the place, in about every distro. But did Debian "invent" it, or were they first to make the concept work in practice?
Then again, they are also responsible for dselect...
No. Debian's greatest achievement is creating a 100% free ( as in beer and free speech ), community supported GNU/Linux operating system.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Joe+Tie.
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No. Debian's greatest achievement is creating a 100% free ( as in beer and free speech ), community supported GNU/Linux operating system.
It's only after switching to debian, and then trying out some other distros, that I've really come to appreciate just how impressive that community support is. I like having the newest and shiniest versions of most programs, and I'd be willing to pay a small fee for an easy way to keep everything on my system current. But surprisingly, I havn't seen any commercial distros that update the packages I'm interested in as quickly and neatly as happens with Debian Unstable. Given that it's community supported that's darn impressive!
-- Everything will be taken away from you.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Anonymous Coward
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apt-get's pretty neat. Beats Redhat's rpm. I'm using Debian 2.2, with fluxbox, Opera 6.03 and wvdial to post this.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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larien
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You're obviously not interested in stuff like KDE & Gnome; there have been long periods where Debian lagged behind most other distros in its versions of those packages.
That said, Debian has worked very well for me on the two linux boxes I have at home and apt-get is a wonderful tool.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Pentagram
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Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Doom+Ihl'+Varia
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If you REALLY need bleeding edge, run Unstable. It isn't as unstable as it sounds heh. It is good for a box to play around with. Testing would be more suited for a reliable desktop. Stable is rock solid. Stable is what you run on the server. My dual-PII has been up almost two months now and two months ago was the last extended power outage.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Malc
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apt-get is great, but it's not really the best part. Other distros have similar systems these days. What makes Debian (and apt-get) great is the care and attention that goes in to it. apt-get works because the packages it retrieves work. That's down to the individuals who contribute to Debian.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Anonymous Coward
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Debian has three branches.. stable, testing and unstable. unstable has the latest and greatest (also buggiest) KDE+GNOME programs and you don't want have to fuckin' wait for shit to compile.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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qtp
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Perhaps from an activist's point of view, you are correct.
From a user's point of view, Debian's greatest achievement is having an "unstable" branch that is as stable as some other dist's releases.
From a CS student's point of view, Debian's great achievement may be the package creation and management tools.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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larien
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Er, that was on unstable; we went months without the newest versions of KDE, Gnome and XFree. Stable was even further behind, but I agree, it has a reputation for being rock solid stability, if only because it doesn't change much (only for bugfixes & security updates).
I tend to run unstable (albeit without many updates) and it's been reliable with very few crashes (of any kind) on the system.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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shermozle
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Debian's greatest achievement is surely its policy and strict adherence to that policy. apt-get is only as usable as this due to the policy.
Docs somewhere other than/usr/share/doc? That's a bug.
Config files somewhere other than/etc/? That's a bug.
The bug tracking system hassles the author to fix the policy violation.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Malc
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There have been several kernel patches since then, including that correct errors introduced in the first. I guess you haven't been patching.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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rweir
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No, it's not. The greatest thing about Debian is Policy. It demands that packages meet the highest standards of quality. It makes sure that packages work together. It brings us things like the Debian Menu system, where every X-based package register's with EVERY window manager's app menu. It means that packages will upgrade smoothly, and (via the DFSG) that EVERYTHING is freely modifiable and re-distributable. Linkage: about Policy, why it rocks, more Debian policies.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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saskwach
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There's nothing stopping you from using KDE/Gnome from CVS in Debian, but why would you want to? The reason unstable lags behind the bleeding edge by a teensie weensie bit is that the package maintainers are obsessively testing it. I run unstable on the desktop (with apache in the background) and can tell you, it's pretty damned stable (as compared to ANY windows, yes, even XP which I support at work). You can install anything you want in Debian (there's even rpm support for simple enough packages through alien) and nothing stops you from using alternative apt sources with more up-to-date/unstable software.
People complaining that Debian is out of date always bug me just because all they have to do is change a bunch of instances of the word "stable" to "unstable" and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. *boom* bestest upgrade process EVAR.
Okay, larien, I realize you weren't really the target of this...but people saying Debian is a dinosaur always irk me...it's mork like a shark.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Urkki
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apt-get is great, but it's not really the best part. Other distros have similar systems these days.
My point mostly was, that other distros might not have similar systems now, if Debian didn't develop apt-get.
But I'd be insterested in knowing if it was a Debian innovation in the first place, or if apt had some similar predecessor on some other distro / OS. And I mean something that works like apt-get, ie:
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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saskwach
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Dude, time to upgrade to woody...patches aren't being backported to potato anymore.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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ArmorFiend
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People complaining that Debian is out of date always bug me just because all they have to do is change a bunch of instances of the word "stable" to "unstable" and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. *boom* bestest upgrade process EVAR.
Important note to naive passers by: its not this easy. Take me for example. I had been running testing on a desktop for a few months. I did my usual update;dist-upgrade to get all the latest stuff. Some bozo had committed an incompatible version of libstdc++, and apt got hopelessly confused. All C++ programs stopped working, including most of the package management tools that could have fixed the problem. Things got exponentially more complex as I tried to pin versions and downgrade to correct the problem. After a few weeks of trying, the tar-baby was so bad I had to re install the machine from scratch.
According to IRC, the moral of the story is: don't use dist-upgrade, use plain ol upgrade.
People saying debian is a shark really irk me...its more like a dinosaur.:)
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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CrazyWingman
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Did you mean to link to apt-get.org? Apt-get.com seems like a completely useless site (all links point to index.html, which it says doesn't exist).
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Anonymous Coward
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According to IRC, the moral of the story is: don't use dist-upgrade, use plain ol upgrade.
True that. No one ever said dist-upgrade is safe.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Kirth
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I see little difference between the government taking over the companies and the companies taking over the government.
This is an eye-opener. Thank you.
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-- "The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be"
-- Lao Tse
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Drakonian
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It took months for KDE 3 to go into unstable.
-- Random is the New Order.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Jellybob
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My dual-PII has been up almost two months now and two months ago was the last extended power outage.
Everyone go take down this guys machine... according to my inbox the last kernel update on the security list was 5 days ago... so it should really have 5 days of uptime like my server does.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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tetra103
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It's funny, but your argument for stability being a system that doesn't change much is exactly why I love NetBSD. I pretty much use Linux for everything...ok...I use Win98 to play StarCraft....but I run NetBSD on anything I want to make an appliance. It's the only distro I've seen that can turn old buggy *hardware* into something useful. Bleeding edge for my desktop, but NetBSD for my toaster. In all, Open Source is a good plan. Although, I don't run Debian on anything. I tried it once a while back and found the package installation to be buggy. I find it ironic that others hear seem to boost about the very thing I had issues with. Maybe the kinks are worked on by now.....I'll have to give it another try.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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qtp
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Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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damiam
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All C++ programs stopped working, including most of the package management tools that could have fixed the problem.
Debian's package management tools are in C. What've you been smoking?
-- It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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metamatic
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Maybe it's all a matter of naming.
Perhaps 'unstable' should be renamed 'standard', and 'stable' should be renamed 'conservative'.
-- GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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ArmorFiend
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No, the system is F.U.B.A.R. Its pretty hard to rescue a system when 75% of things don't work. Thinking about reading the doc on dpkg? Think again:
shadow:~# man dpkg Reformatting dpkg(8), please wait... /usr/bin/tbl:/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found (required by/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5) groff:/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.3' not found (required by/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5) shadow:~#
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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peterpi
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"But did Debian "invent" it, or were they first to make the concept work in practice?"
Neither.
(FreeBSD's ports came before Debian's apt, didn't it? Perhaps I'm wrong)
I "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" nightly, and run quite a bit from testing/unstable; I have been for quite a long time now.
I do not recall this error; I suspect either it only came up with "dist-upgrade" or it was the result of a package which I do not run.
I agree; I don't know that there is any advantage to using "dist-upgrade". Most of the packages held back by default with "upgrade" are ones that you probably want to keep in stable.
Be sure to run "apt-get" with the "-u" option, or set this to be used by default in your/etc/apt/apt.conf. If you see a package wanting to move a major system component out of stable, try to find a backport to stable (woody) from an unofficial apt source.
If you don't want to do this, or if you are willing to accept the upgrade, then first go to the Debian project website's package lists and check for outstanding bugs against the package being upgraded before you proceed.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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ArmorFiend
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Well, I have to eat some humiliation pie at this point, because there was a misconfiguration that's not entirely not my fault.
There was a copy of gcc 3 sitting in (nfs-mounted)/usr/local. Debian does the path backwards (/usr/local/bin before/usr/bin), and so it was finding an incompatibile libstdc++ and running amok. Don't ask me why this isn't a problem when I run plain woody.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Urkki
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So how do FreeBSD ports work?
Say, I notice that default install didn't install "most" (a pager, which has nifty hex display mode). In Debian I do sudo apt-get install most
How do you do same with FreeBSD ports? Last time I used FreeBSD was in '98 I think, so my memory is a bit hazy:)
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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peterpi
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There's a big directory tree, with one leaf directory per program you might want to install. In each directory there is a makefile.
You go to the directory of the program you want to install, and type "make install".
The source is downloaded (along with any dependancies), compiled and installed. There are other make targets for uninstallation and other tasks.
It just works, and it's really nice.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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CentrX
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The official policy seems to be that "unstable" is an unstable, insecure development branch, even though it is stable and secure enough for typical desktop use almost all of the time.
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Whatever.
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Anonymous Coward
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It still has the same software from 5 years ago. When will gtk "decent file dialog" edition be released? 2004? 2007 with debian. When will linux 2.8 be released? 2006! 2011 with debian upgrading stubbornly from 2.2.38.
troll or funny depending on tastes and experiance with debian.
Re:Whatever.
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Anonymous Coward
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"troll or funny depending on tastes and experiance with debian."
Or just general lack of knowledge. You obviously don't have any when it comes to Debian. Perhaps other people who are *ignorant* about Debian would find it funny. Those who aren't ignorant just see you as dumb misinformed kid - it's got nothing to do with taste.
I've always loved the fact that I have lots of choices when it comes to linux distros, and the way debian has gone about assembling their packages into stable and unstable trees with minimal fuss is what I really like about this distro.
Of course, and the legendary apt-get...so Happy Birthday Debian!
-- Never underestimate the predictability of human stupidity...
What id like to know is.
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Anonymous Coward
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When will the debian team give up and realise they have made an absolute piece of shit software and give up. The other distros such as slackware, gentoo, ark, ydl, crux, jizz linux are also l33t but they totally push debian out of the water without sucking rms stallmans cock!
This post is probably not even going to get modded down because even though ive upset the fanboys of debian they are too busy modding the GNAA down!
Re:What id like to know is.
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Cooper_007
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So, in summary, you're saying other distros are better than Debian because they don't call it GNU/Linux?
Tell me something. Did you actually try it?
So the Debian project has some principles. So what? I just want to have a distribution that will make it really easy to keep the system up to date. Debian does that part really well.
Seriously, give it a spin. You might end up liking it.
Re:What id like to know is.
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Anonymous Coward
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slackware
Debian!
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Anonymous Coward
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The distro so bad that not even the trolls want flame it! So they CRAPFLOOD the GNAA with it!
New to Debian
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chevelleSS
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I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release! For the most part upgrading to Debian testing is just as Stable as Woody. So why haven't they released it??
Re:New to Debian
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Max+Romantschuk
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I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release!
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Re:New to Debian
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Jellybob
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The thing with Debian is that it doesn't *have* the pressing need to release, because of apt, which allows you to update any packages to new versions on a regular basis.
Re:New to Debian
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Anonymous Coward
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Really, I don't understand why people always complain about Debian not releasing often. Why is it so important to install a new cd for you?
Just move to testing or unstable, run dselect everyday and you will see new packages are added and updated every day.
I think people got used to upgrade distro to new releases often with Red Hat, Mandrake,... But why is it that important? With Debian, you can have a system very up to date (testing or unstable) without needing to install a new distro version every month. What's the problem with the Debian way of doing things?
Re:New to Debian
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ultrabot
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Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Yep, and some advocate that there should only be a stable "core" debian, with the rest having the life of their own. I don't see why everyone else must wait for some my3117widget to stabilize. It should be possible to "lock down" the core, and ensure that most packages could be upgraded without disrupting the core. There is some sensibility in the windows approach, where the "OS" is the core, and the rest are seperate.
Obviously Linux is advancing much more rapidly than windows (I am running unstable myself, and like it more than I ever did stable (since slinky)), but at some point in time a sufficient level of maturity is achieved, and the core can be locked down. This is essential for corporate desktop environments at least.
Of course some see debian more as a platform on which to build a good desktop distro (Libranet, LindowsOS...)
And moderators: I'm not dissing debian, so ease up on that trigger. It's idiotic to mod someone down for giving suggestions, the civilized approach is to reply instead.
-- Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Re:New to Debian
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GammaTau
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As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
As far as I know, a package must also properly compile and work on all the supported architechtures. There are currently 11 supported architechtures in the latest stable release. I wouldn't be surprised if the support for so many platforms would cause its own share of delays.
One thing I forgot - don't demand that all archs are released at the same time. Oddball archs can get by with fewer releases, focus on Intel/AMD/IBM technology and release versions for other archs when they are ready. Let the people who care about them take their time to ensure that everything works ok. Debian doesn't need to be the NetBSD of linux distros, however appealing that seems on paper...
Obviously debian doesn't "need" to be popular, being noncommercial and all. But it would be shame to see such a good distro being marginalized in the battle for desktop Linux dominance.
-- Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
Re:New to Debian
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The+J+Kid
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Debian doesn't go for the "every half year" release..
However, it's just the last release (Woody) that took so long... That was for a number of reasons: - XFree had to be ported to 11 archs (up from 6), 3 or 4 of which X hadn't been ported to before. - 'Testing' was created, as to have a smoother transition beween 'unstable' and 'stable'. - KDE (2.2) was added to main, a first for a stable debian release. That produced some quirks of it's own.
However, with the upcoming release (sarge, now testing) there were 2 main hurdles: - The GCC 3.2 migration (ABI change) (KDE brakeage hell was spared by waiting with 3.x) - GTK(+) 2.x -> Gnome 2.x There is however 1 more hurdle: The new installer, which is coming along. Knoppix also made clear that 'automagic' was posible with debian.
I don't see why everyone else must wait for some my3117widget to stabilize.
Well, that's how it works already. If packages aren't ready during the hard freeze, they WILL be dropped from Testing, and thus not hold up (or make it into) the release.
Re:New to Debian
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cbcbcb
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Because a) some people don't have broadband so they want a CD of the software they are actually going to run b) only stable releases have timely security updates c) installing security updates on unstable can require downloading 100s of MB due to pulling in other updated packages. d) stable won't even install on some newer hardware without guru knowledge e) unstable is sometimes buggy and can make a system unbootable, or make the user unable to log in. f) some people want to run reasonably recent software but without it changing every day. g) Unstable can be horribly broken during things like a gcc 3 transition
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
No, it isn't that bad:) Only the core system needs to be stable (stable means "no release critical bugs" here). If other packages have serieus bugs, they just get dropped from the release. So all those packages don't cause serieus delays.
I use Debian in part because of the deliberate, careful release cycle. I don't want to jepordize the stability of my servers one bit just to get the latest and greatest widgets. On the other hand, I can run testing or unstable packages on systems where some stability can be sacrificed and I want to see the newer stuff. I don't see any reason why Debian should change this policy.
Really, I don't understand why people always complain about Debian not releasing often. Why is it so important to install a new cd for you?
Just move to testing or unstable, run dselect everyday and you will see new packages are added and updated every day.
I agree. I use all three; unstable for my workstation (so I can see all the newest loot), testing for most of my servers, and stable for my ultra-paranoid box. I keep a 40GB mirror of the distro which rsync's updates everyday so I can install new machines very quickly from a LAN instead of the Internet. "apt-get" and "dselect" (front-ends to dpkg, the latter being a curses-based selection utility) are reason enough to use Debian. And you virtually never have to backup a system, erase the drive, install a newer OS then restore your data to upgrade your machine.
AFAIK, both stable and unstable get rather quick security updates. Testing
has a delay for security updates from unstable, thus, if you run testing,
subscribe to the debian-security mailing list.
If you do want the latest and greatest though, try Mandrake, they seem to
have a nice distribution, especially for the desktop.
The reason why I stick with debian (debian stable on both of my machines,
currently) is that its easy to update, easy to upgrade, and has a wide
selection of packages, often with several subpackages compiled for different
features. When I use Redhat machines, I end up wanting package XYZ, which,
in their infinite wisdom, Redhat doesn't supply.
I hear you. For me, Debian just works, and that's the main thing I expect from a Linux system. The installation was straightforward and clean, as are the upgrades. I know I can always put something newer on when I need it. I can easily make similar criticisms of other distros in the same way some have been writing about Debian. For me, the political aspect of Debian is just as important (just as it is in some other systems like Gentoo). Though I don't have a problem with people using Open Source to make money, the commercial aspects of other distros are disquieting to me - in the sense that I believe they will result in restrictions somewhere down the line (SCO is actually a case in point, in a broad sense). I think Debian, and Linux in general, show in an amazing and inspiring way exactly what people can accomplish outside of typical commercial structures, on their own. Happy Birthday Debian!
Though I don't have a problem with people using Open Source to make money, the commercial aspects of other distros are disquieting to me - in the sense that I believe they will result in restrictions somewhere down the line
A good example is the Smoothwall project. The leader of the project wanted to make more money, so now there's two versions, an Open Source version and a version with Closed Source add-ons.
Of course, some people didn't like this, so the code forked into the IPCop project. Same will probably happen in Linux distros, except for Deb heads of course:-)
Shouldn't that be debian reaches 1.0? It sure feels like it sometimes...;)
On a serious note, 10 years and only up to version 3. This is what makes debian so great. The software is tested and retested to death, so that you know the software in stable is truely stable. I love it. I've used heaps of different distros, but I always come back to debian. I left winddoze back in 1999 due to stability and debian delivers it!
-- Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. -- AE
Re:dselect
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Anonymous Coward
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I must admit I don't have the first clue how 'dselect' works
This presupposes that 'dselect' works. It doesn't. It is an entirely unusable monstrous piece of shit. I like Debian too, but only came to like it when someone told me to use 'apt' exclusively for package management.
I doubt anyone does. I had to use it myself in the pre-apt days, but I still have to wonder what the author was smoking. Doing dpkg -i and resolving dependencies manually was easier.
Personally I've never had major problems with dselect, although it could be better in places. You could try aptitude. It will require a little time to master, but it's very configurable, which is something lacking in dselect.
I used dselect a while, but found that using apt-cache and apt-get on the command line were much easier.
$ apt-cache search emacs python mode kate-plugins - plugins for Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor python-elisp - Emacs-lisp python-mode for the Python language (v2.3)
$ apt-cache show python-elisp... Description: Emacs-lisp python-mode for the Python language (v2.3)...
I ran into dselect straight after installing the base system. Almost put me off the distro, until tasksel came to the rescue. Maybe I just didn't read the docs closely enough, but I think there should be a page for newbies with 'Don't Panic! apt-get install tasksel' in large, friendly letters:)
Seriously. It took me a few iterations of installs to figure out that there are only stable installs, and you can convert apt-sources to start using testing or unstable. Also, I found that the installs were only installing about 50% of the stuff I needed on the box (come on, who *really* runs a box without make). I used dselect to bring the box up to a minimum configuration that would support compiling tarballs and then used apt to trim out the extra crap that dselect brought in. I would probably still be on it if the Gnome2 packages didn't completely ruin the box over the course of a month via cron-apt.
Hmmm... foe of a friend? I wonder who you pissed off..:)
There's also "apt-cache policy," which shows the difference between the version currently installed and the installation candidate, among other things. E.g.:
That's a shame, I have been running Gnome2 at home on Sid for a few months and very nice it is too. One thing I've learned though is to check the news in #Debian before upgrading Sid. Running Stable on a small mailserver in work and it's just fine on an old P-150 64MB, but even there I always do the updates manually, just in case it wants to replace all the core libraries at once or something.
Re:dselect
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Anonymous Coward
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Oops, just noticed your comment about 'foe of a friend'. Probably something involving politics:)
In this case, I think poop is funnier and more appropriate. Not being able to figure out dselect isn't something that scares the shit out of someone. The absolute worst-case scenario is that they have to use another distribution because they don't realize there are other tools. It's an interface that scares the poop out of you, but you still got your shit together.
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Thank god for Karma
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Cooper_007
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As this topic was pretty new, it was light on well-rated replies. I decided to take a look at all the posts rather than just the nicely rated ones.
For those reading this and maybe getting the urge: Don't. It's not worth it. I've yet to see a better example of just why the karma system is A Good Thing (TM).
Back to the topic, happy (almost) birthday Debian. You're still the favourite over here.
Perhaps a little name change too?
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simpleguy
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Debian will, on this special occasion, change the name of its Linux distribution from "Debian GNU/Linux to "Debian SCO/Linux" to reflect the SCO/Caldera/Canopy IP.:):)
j/k
Debian superiority
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mirko
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What makes Debian greater than SuSe, RedHat and others is mostly the point it is *not* commercial. I mean : we're not even sure RedHat will still be there in a few years but we know that if in 10 years, we perform an:
apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade our system will be updated... This might however be the case with other systems but I doubt that satisfied Debian pioneers actually switched. I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
This might however be the case with other systems but I doubt that satisfied Debian pioneers actually switched.
I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters[sic]
Or, believe it or not, Slackware users. I switched a server at work from Slack to Debian because it was a fairly slow machine, and building Slackware packages on it was a pain, and I wanted something easier to maintain. Surprisingly, moving to Debian wasn't that big of a deal, and I couldn't be happier about the system, for a server
Re:Debian superiority
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10Ghz
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I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
Uh, not really. Sure, there are former SuSE, RH, Slackware, LFS etc. etc. users, but large part are ex-Debianists. Case in point: link. You can "meet" some nice arrogant Debianists in that discussion.
-- Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
That's a funny one. Didn't know this, but I actually never tried Gentoo, mostly because all my colleagues had to wait 48hours to get their distro compiled... Also because I like to get my packages updated sometimes before the CERT people say they should be.
-- Trolling using another account since 2005.
Re:Debian superiority
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10Ghz
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Didn't know this, but I actually never tried Gentoo, mostly because all my colleagues had to wait 48hours to get their distro compiled...
Well, you obviously haven't been using Gentoo. You can install it from different stages. Stage 1 means that EVERYTHING is compiled and optimized for you system. Glibc, GCC etc. Stage 3 means that the base system is not compiled/optimized but the apps are. Stage 2 is between those two. And with 1.4 you get GRP (Gentoo Reference Platform) where you can install precompiled binaries of large apps (Xfree, KDE, Gnome etc.).
Whining about compiling is really pointless. If you dislike compiling, then obviously Gentoo is not for you. And no-one is forcing you to run it. But, IMO, the whining about the compile-times is really overblown. I have installed Gentoo from stage 1 on a 233Mhz laptop, and it went just fine. I just left it compiling for the night or while I went to work. I lost VERY LITTLE productive time waiting for the compiles to finish (of course, I could have used the computer while it compiles. you are not required to stay away from the computer when it compiles).
As to security... I see no problems with Gentoos security track-record.
-- Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Thanks for your interesting point about the various ways to install it, I just had to observe my colleagues installing all at once, hence my original comment.
BTW, Linux is not a testosterone thing, I mean I don't get anal if things don't run that fast at once. BTW, I gladly run a secure Debian on my servers but I personally use an OSX laptop, so, I am not pointlessly whining about compiling:)
but we know that if in 10 years, we perform an :
apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
our system will be updated...
Actually, in ten years you will want to perform an apt-get dist-upgrade. This will allow removal of obselete packages to meet the dependency requirements of new packages.
Personally, I used Slackware, Redhat and Debian almost equal time (2 years each) before I found Gentoo a year ago. With Portage in my hands there is no way I'll return back to any of those three my previous distros. And I am not a zealot - I am a software developer often responsible for deployment, I need a fine-graine package management tool (something like Portage) for living, not just for personal installation.
Also, apt repositories are distributed all over the place. I get my upgrades from Manchester University and they fly down the line, saturating my cable connection. Also, there's the warm fuzzy feeling that a tiny proportion of my income tax is helping to support the server and network costs.
I know I switched a machine over to gentoo. Within two months I am back to debian and could not be happier. Gentoo is all hype. I have a machine that has run debian since 1996, and I have NEVER had an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade fail. NOT ONCE. Gentoo was a major pain in the ass, compile for an hour only to find out that the app doesn't work, then google, then find out that one other person somewhere says the app can't compile with "-Os" or some other optimization your using, rince change repeat. in two months I had three times where an emerge failed for no reason whatsoever that I could find, all I know is it would invariably be 90% complete with a 3 hour compile when it failed, oh and would work fine when tried a second or third time with no changes.
The only apt-get related failures I've come accross were because I purposely did things apt said not to (ie - install packages without dependancies etc) not to mention the Freeness of Debian, it is reassuring having the license conditions for every package available in the same locations. Not to mention knowning that if I run Debian main they take care of all the legal crap for me, I know that all my software meets stringent requirements and has had the license scrutinized but at least a few Debian devels. And when I 'need' some non-free I have vrms to keep me in check.
I also like the fact that not all Debian devels are free software zealots, its good to have disagreement, but its also good that all of them want the best Froo OS there is.
In another 10 years, there'll be either Debian/BSD, Debian/Hurd, Debian/FreeDOS and many others for all the hobbyists around. Debian is not an OS, it is a distro which is made of GNU packages and a specific kernel. The kernel will change, not the distro.
I also like the fact that not all Debian devels are free software zealots, its good to have disagreement, but its also good that all of them want the best Froo OS there is. As in Boor ?
-- Trolling using another account since 2005.
Well done on Debian
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rf0
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Debian is a well though out and stable distribution. People might complain that the packages are old and yes that might be true but they work. IF you want a machine to keep running then its great. Apt-get package and sit back. Also for security its great for admins. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and thats it. No dependancy problems. Even the unstable is pretty stable
Until you go and upgrade proftpd and it kindly forgets to mention that the new version uses a new config format, so you're left with no ftpd until someone notices. (happened a few months back)
-- Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive.
Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
FYI, careful with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade if you run unstable. (and you use unofficial sources, and well basically if you do anything that shouldn't be done in a production environment). I once had it d/l a wacked - out fsck. That was fun when it booted. Luckily I managed to downgrade it via a bootdisk and some chroot magic. It didn't mess anything up, it just hanged, so it wasn't really that bad. Just know when people talk about apt-get update and apt-get upgrade not messing things up, they are talking about stable, and they are not doing dumb things like adding Joe Schmoo's Gnome 8.4 apt respository to their sources.list
Until you go and upgrade proftpd and it kindly forgets to mention that the new version uses a new config format, so you're left with no ftpd until someone notices.
You shouldn't use proftpd anyway -- it's insecure. Use publicfile, or if you really need upload, pureftpd.
Strange how people automatically trust debian's updates, but would trust windows auto-update with a barge pole.
Debian updates are actually thoroughly tested, unless you're using unstable, in which case you're the one doing the testing.
Slashdot needs a "-2, crapflood"!
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Anonymous Coward
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They are worser than goatse, flamebait and offtopic. Because there ARE usually good "5, insightful" if they replace debian with windows instead of flamebait. But this gnaa crap needs to go!
I belive this is the program responsible for this mess
Interesting coincident...
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Anonymous Coward
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...Lovsan virus will start its attack on windowsupdate.com on 16-Aug...the very same day Debian turns 10.
Or is that just the length of time since the last stable release?
The last stable release was on July 19, 2002 (Woody). The one before that was released on August 14th, 2000 (Potato). Slink was released in March 1999. Hamm on July 24, 1998. Bo on June 2, 1997. Rex in December 1996. Buzz in June 1996.
So as you can see, Debian releases are actually fairly regular, except for the little hiccup with potato.
What a nice coincidence...
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PiscoX
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Hey, wait, saturday the 16th... The very same day Blaster is expected to lead a DDoS attack against MS update servers. Sweet gift for Debian's birthday.
After "Woody" comes "Puberty". After that, I suggest "A shave and a real job".;-)
Just kidding. Though I have never used Debian myself (I went from Mandrake to Red Hat and now Gentoo), I can acknowledge and recognize the amount of work their community has done/is doing and the innovations which have spilled over into other distros. Good job!
I don't know who Debian is, but I bet Deb released this worm that's gonna shut down Microsoft's update server so none of us uber-geeks can get our updates. I'm gonna call the Feds!
Blame Deb!!!!!
-- If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor - Albert Einstein
Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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Mustang+Matt
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This isn't meant as flamebait, can anyone list an objective list of pros and cons between debian and gentoo? So far debian seems to be the powerhouse but the more I read of gentoo and the more people I talk to that use it, it seems like a better way to do linux.
Any thoughts?
-- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Re:Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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I prefer gentoo, so this is probably biased...
Pros for debian: There's a package for everything, and nothing you install from the stable tree will break your machine. Auto-dep resolution.
Cons for debian (and most everything else): the packages are compiled with out optimization for specific platforms.
Pros for gentoo: 100% optimized, compiled system, from the ground up. Easy to use. Good documentation.
Cons for gentoo: Not as easy as some others.
Bascially, I break it down like this: 3 things are the "newhotness" in linux usability - Automatic downloading of packages, automatic dependancy resolution, and custom compiling. Redhat has none of those. If you look at the redhat kernel, it's an exercise in pushing the "M" key. People that want to do things in redhat by now are familiar with "dependancy hell" also known as "this RPM needs these 7 rpms, which each need 10". With debain, you apt-get install mod_perl and it will download and install apache, perl, and mod_perl, in the correct order, plus whatever else you need it to install. With gentoo, however, it will do all of that, plus compile it to your specifications to be faster, more optimized, etc.
To me, gentoo is the next logical step beyond debian. I love it.
~Will
-- sig?
Re:Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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0x12d3
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One of the big ones for me is that Debian meticulously critiques the licenses of the software that they distribute w/ the 'non-free' collection that's easy to opt-out of. Apt-get is probably the easiest package manager you'll use if you have some experience with the software you want (avoid dpkg like the plague). Building an application specific box is ridiculously easy (w/ or w/o tasksel). Debian's version system does not get inflated just to keep up with the trend of everyone eles's inflated system (slackware 8? mandrake 9? --yeah right). Debian's security updates are posted right on their mainpage *very soon* after vulnerablities are discoveried. --I'm probably just rambling now. But overall Debian seems to satisfy. Of the many Linux user I know, I only know 2 who have bothered with other distro's after giving Debian a try. One of whom multi boots and vmware's heavily (deb,suse,gentoo,win2k included). The other has a Suse box and a Debian box.
Re:Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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RevMike
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Parent is 100% right. I've used both, although I now run Debian.
Debian is - by design - meticulously assembled for reliable use/administration. Debian just works.
Gentoo is - by design - for the builder who wants to tweak their system for every drop of performance or every neat feature.
Which you use depends on your wants and needs. If you are someone who enjoys squeezing a little more out of your system, if you want to develop kernel code, if you are running a production server that needs a lot of TLC, Gentoo is a great distirbution. It does take a lot of care and feeding
On the other hand, if you want to run a "convential" system with few headaches and minimum chasing your tail, Debian is great.
Re:Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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bzhou
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Debian by default uses pre-compiled binary packages, so for example you can install a firewall machine or production server without even the need of having a compiler on it. You can still get src package and compile yourself if you want it.
If I understand it correctly, Gentoo is a source based package. Everything can have the potential of fully optimized. And after long hours of compiling, you certainly feel it has been fully optimized.
Re:Can anyone list pros of debian vs gentoo
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You've nailed it on the head, much better than I did. Exactly right.
I have a friend who's running gentoo on his laptop because, with debian and redhat, things like mozilla, natulus, etc were very slow. With the compiler optimizations in gentoo, he's got a very much improved system, plus a later version of gnome (2.2.1).
The laptop is a 700 mhz, but it's 500 mhz when not plugged in (speed step), so it's pretty important to have, for him, more optimization. This, you accomplish with gentoo by compiling for i686-pc-linux and -march=pentium3 -O3, more so than you would than with a debian distro, where everything is portable back to 486, or 386 even.
But, on the other hand, my gentoo server that I have sitting around at work isn't any faster than any other OS I've used. Mabey 5%, but nothing really noticible. When you're not using a GUI, stability is probably more important, so debian is probably a good choice.
So, as always, depends on the application.
-- sig?
No "in the air" option?
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CrazyWingman
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Dammit - going to be in the air on a plane the entire day on the 16th! Oh well, I guess I'll just celebrate by booting up my Debian box (Woody - my main box:) when I finally get back home. Now...which beer...
Re:No "in the air" option?
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Anonymous Coward
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What do you mean, "boot"? Your Debian box isn't just up all the time like mine?
Yeah, inane and retarded things like the original copyright holder's own distribution conditions:
"Distribution Conditions"
Copyright 1998 The Perl Journal.
When included as part of the Standard Version of Perl, or as part of
its complete documentation whether printed or otherwise, this work may
be distributed only under the terms of Perl's Artistic License. Any
distribution of this file or derivatives thereof outside of that
package require that special arrangements be made with copyright
holder.
In debian, perlreftut was not distributed either as part of the Standard Version of Perl or as part of its complete documentation, therefore, the original copyright holders (TPJ) have specified that debian's package is not distributable under the terms of the Perl's Artistic License, and debian needs to make special arrangements with TPJ. Since those arrangements haven't been made, debian is complying with TPJ's stated preferences and not distributing the package.
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Frogs are primitive animals - so the occasional extra toe is not that unusual. But this is very unusual.
Unless you are saying that the perl-doc debian package is equivalent to the "complete documentation" of perl, I don't see how what you quoted is false.
There are several man pages (i.e. pod2man, libnetcfg, etc) included in the perl debian package that aren't included in the perl-doc package, so I don't think it's correct to say that perl-doc is the "complete documentation" of perl.
Now, maybe a possible solution is to move those man pages over to the perl-doc package, but then what about all of the other packages for perl that have man pages and other documentation? Until all of that was completed, perlreftut would still not be distributed as part of perl's complete documentation.
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Frogs are primitive animals - so the occasional extra toe is not that unusual. But this is very unusual.
There are several man pages (i.e. pod2man, libnetcfg, etc) included in the perl debian package that aren't included in the perl-doc package, so I don't think it's correct to say that perl-doc is the "complete documentation" of perl.
The complete documentation of perl is $PERL/pod/*.pod.
..sippin' champagne and eating cavier as the MS folks struggle with the worst thing since snowcrash--
*blinks twice*
eh, oh well. Cheers!!
-heres to a GREAT OS. Thanks Debian team, for making the world a better place to compute.
Debian is great
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scarolan
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I still consider myself somewhat of a linux newbie, but I've learned as much as I need to manage a few small servers.
My day job is selling medical equipment on the internet but I'm also the "computer guy" for the company I work at. Which btw has the added benefit of some extra job security, because no one else knows how to fix the network when it breaks.
I started tinkering with RedHat and Mandrake about 3 years ago, and have recently installed Debian on a little backup server we have here at work. What a breath of fresh air! I am so glad to be out of RPM hell - those of you who have tried it know how frustrating it is to try and install an RPM, only to find out that you need files A, B, and C to make it work. Then you find out A, B, and C need X, Y, and Z, etc. etc. and that eventually you need an entirely new kernel. You can spend hours trying to fuss with those dependencies. Ugh.
Now with debian it's as simple as:
apt-get install whatever
and bam, you're done! It's awesome! I had a backup server with trouble ticket system up and running in my office here within a few hours (and probably would have been faster if I was more expert).
The Debian apt system is simply awesome, and I highly recommend it for anyone who wants a stable, easy to maintain linux box.
The Debian Project is celebrating its birthday at various places around the globe, since a single large party doesn't seem appropriate for a project which is spread worldwide. Some parties are simply a social
apt-get-together at a restaurant, while others are organised for larger audience.
I like the bit about the "apt-get-together"
-- http://www.masquilier.org/republic/election/
Condorcet, Plurality voting and alternative voting enabled bulletin board.
Those of you who had to scroll through all that blather just to partition a hard drive in Debian should appreciate this:
"Before humans had a way of keeping time, no one paid much attention to the anniversary of important events, such as birthdays. Only when ancient peoples began taking notice of the moon's cycles, did they pay attention to the changing seasons and the pattern that repeated itself over and over. Eventually, the first calendars were formulated in order to mark time changes and other special days. From this tracking system came the ability to celebrate birthdays and other significant anniversaries the same day each year.
"Evidence of birthday observances dates back before the rise of Christianity. In pagan cultures, people feared evil spirits - especially on their birthdays. It was a common belief that evil spirits were more dangerous to a person when he or she experienced a change in their daily life, such as turning a year older. As a result, birthdays were merry occasions celebrated with family and friends, who surrounded the person of honor with laughter and joy in order to protect them from evil. Instead of gifts, most guests brought positive thoughts and happy wishes for the upcoming year. However, if well-wishers did bring gifts, it was considered an especially good influence for the birthday person.
From: birthdayexpress.com
oops
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Anonymous Coward
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yes, sorry...the one url I don't check...
An ex Debian user writes
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metamatic
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I used 'vanilla' Debian, KNOPPIX, RedHat, Mandrake and Xandros (Debian-based) before settling on Gentoo.
Portage isn't hugely better than apt, but it's enough of an improvement to be worth switching, and I found Gentoo's installation easier.
I'd certainly be using Debian if Gentoo didn't exist, though.
-- GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
BAD meeting in Berkeley tonight!
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Bill+Kendrick
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Bay Area Debian is having a shotgun meeting in Berkeley tonight. I'll be bringing Debian-swirl-iced sugar cookies, and hopefully some folks from the Sacramento area.;^)
-bill!
What about hardware detection?
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Mustang+Matt
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One thing I've noticed that SuSE seems to do better than any other distro is hardware detection (and initial setup for that matter.)
With debian, I've got a k6-2 450 box I was trying to setup and kept getting EIP errors when I tried using their 2.4 kernel that's on the downloadable ISO.
And then I'm not sure how to setup my network card because SuSE always did it for me and made me lazy.
How is Gentoo compared to Debian for initial setup and hardware detection?
Your points were very useful, I think they've helped me decide to go with debian, but if Gentoo has better initial support in autodetecting things and holding my hand during the initial setup. (Automatically configuring my partitions, realizing I have a USB mouse, seeing my network card) I might go that route.
What's the gentoo equivalent for apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? Hmmm... Maybe it's time I go read their site.
I did look at their site and try to download an ISO but they had it in tar.bz2 format and nothing I have for windows will extract it. Maybe I downloaded the wrong thing.
-- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Re:What about hardware detection?
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zerocool^
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See, the thing here is gentoo will detect everything when you use the bootable CD. Network, hard drives, etc. But, then, you have to do the install. It's not graphical. It's actually kind of hard.
On the other hand, have you seen the install documentation? It's about 35 pages. So, you have to do everything yourself, but it walks you through it step by step, with boxes that show you *exactly* what to type. You have to partition your hard drive manually, then use mke2fs to create the file system (or mkreiserfs if you're leet), then networking, etc.
Read the install documentation, it's on the left hand pane of their website. It's very, VERY comprehensive. Plus, the reward is that you'll feel like a power user after the install, even though you'll have only followed instructions. It'll teach you a lot. Kernel compiles, for example, and how to use lilo. Just give it a shot. Their user's forums are rediculously cool, too.
Realize that, once you do this, you'll have a completely optimized system. When you start from stage one, it downloads the latest compiler and libraries, and during the bootstrap proceedure, it recompiles the libraries with the optimization levels you set, then it recompilies the compiler, linking it against the compiled libraries, then it works on the base system. It's from the ground up optimized for your athlon-xp or pentium3 or whatever.
The gentoo equivilant of apt-get is "emerge". For example, once your install is done, and you've got your basic command prompt, you'd type emerge gnome to download, compile, and install gnome. When my friend did this the other day on his gentoo box, he had to emerge XFree86 after gnome, too, but whatever.
The ISO's your looking for are: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distribu tions/ gentoo/releases/x86/1.4/livecd/
I'm not sure what's up with the cd1 and cd2. The first stage is only 10 megs. I'd check the site to see about that. But, the beauty of it is, there's no rush to download the latest gentoo - those of us that already use it just do emerge sync (gets the latest list of all versions of files), and emerge world (which checks everything we've installed to make sure we're running the latest version). So, if you want, you could grab one of the 1.4_rc4 candidate iso's. Or, heck, you could get 1.2. The idea's the same, you always are downloading the latest stuff, and compiling it for your computer.
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Huray!
All I wish to the Debian folks is another great 10 years to come! Thanks for the great distro, that thought me so much about gnu/linux!
Should be "Debian Turning 1010"
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
And don't try bringing your Parents into it, my Dad is bigger than your Dad, because Debian could be your Dad anyway !
Conversion Rate Optimisation French / English consultant
Please not: The Debian Testing birthday cake will have 10 candles, the Debian Unstable birthday cake will have 9, and the Debian Stable birthday cake will have 7 -- and will only be upgraded to 10 candles when the concept of 10 candle cakes has proved itself sufficiently robust.
Scheduled for sometime around Debian's 15 birthday.
However, the recipe for the cake will be freely available and modifiable for all, as will instructions for the manufacture of the candles, and the party hats.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
Chris
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Because with debian you absolutely won't have to do the following things manually:
- write your XF86Config
- configure your sound
Is the new RPC DCOM worm setup to have all the zombies suddenly start posting to slashdot?
Is that apt-get?
I mean, same kind of system is now all over the place, in about every distro.
But did Debian "invent" it, or were they first to make the concept work in practice?
Then again, they are also responsible for dselect...
It still has the same software from 5 years ago. When will gtk "decent file dialog" edition be released? 2004? 2007 with debian. When will linux 2.8 be released? 2006! 2011 with debian upgrading stubbornly from 2.2.38.
troll or funny depending on tastes and experiance with debian.
I've always loved the fact that I have lots of choices when it comes to linux distros, and the way debian has gone about assembling their packages into stable and unstable trees with minimal fuss is what I really like about this distro.
Of course, and the legendary apt-get...so Happy Birthday Debian!
Never underestimate the predictability of human stupidity...
That would be nearest, presumably?
</pedant>Whoa, I'm way behind the times. I'm still using Debian 3 (Woody).
Karma: Bad due to google bombing - Robert Watkins woz 'ere.
When will the debian team give up and realise they have made an absolute piece of shit software and give up. The other distros such as slackware, gentoo, ark, ydl, crux, jizz linux are also l33t but they totally push debian out of the water without sucking rms stallmans cock!
This post is probably not even going to get modded down because even though ive upset the fanboys of debian they are too busy modding the GNAA down!
The distro so bad that not even the trolls want flame it! So they CRAPFLOOD the GNAA with it!
I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release! For the most part upgrading to Debian testing is just as Stable as Woody. So why haven't they released it??
Shouldn't that be debian reaches 1.0? It sure feels like it sometimes... ;)
On a serious note, 10 years and only up to version 3. This is what makes debian so great. The software is tested and retested to death, so that you know the software in stable is truely stable. I love it. I've used heaps of different distros, but I always come back to debian. I left winddoze back in 1999 due to stability and debian delivers it!
Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves. -- AE
Rich.
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For those reading this and maybe getting the urge: Don't. It's not worth it.
I've yet to see a better example of just why the karma system is A Good Thing (TM).
Back to the topic, happy (almost) birthday Debian. You're still the favourite over here.
Debian will, on this special occasion, change the name of its Linux distribution from "Debian GNU/Linux to "Debian SCO/Linux" to reflect the SCO/Caldera/Canopy IP. :) :)
j/k
What makes Debian greater than SuSe, RedHat and others is mostly the point it is *not* commercial. :
I mean : we're not even sure RedHat will still be there in a few years but we know that if in 10 years, we perform an
apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
our system will be updated...
This might however be the case with other systems but I doubt that satisfied Debian pioneers actually switched.
I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Debian is a well though out and stable distribution. People might complain that the packages are old and yes that might be true but they work. IF you want a machine to keep running then its great. Apt-get package and sit back. Also for security its great for admins. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and thats it. No dependancy problems. Even the unstable is pretty stable
Hope it goes on for many more years
Rus
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They are worser than goatse, flamebait and offtopic. Because there ARE usually good "5, insightful" if they replace debian with windows instead of flamebait. But this gnaa crap needs to go!
I belive this is the program responsible for this mess
...Lovsan virus will start its attack on windowsupdate.com on 16-Aug...the very same day Debian turns 10.
There's a joke about Hurd in here somewhere, just waiting for someone to make it.
Oh Wait,
...using much of the original software!
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
Scaring the poop out of Linux users since 1993.
apt-get birthday.happy.1010
=)
I'm not the devil.. just his advocate.
All together now...
Hippo birdie two ewes,
hippo birdie two ewes.
hippo birdie,hippo birdie,
hippo birdie, two ewes.
Debian is boring and the website sucks. I'm a youngster and I want a flashy distro, Debian ain't it. But happy birthday old man!
#debian-party on irc.oftc.net. Come and break it down! Er, fix some RC bugs :-)
Or is that just the length of time since the last stable release?
Hey, wait, saturday the 16th... The very same day Blaster is expected to lead a DDoS attack against MS update servers. Sweet gift for Debian's birthday.
Just kidding. Though I have never used Debian myself (I went from Mandrake to Red Hat and now Gentoo), I can acknowledge and recognize the amount of work their community has done/is doing and the innovations which have spilled over into other distros. Good job!
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Go squash some bugs!
And is it better than the SLS system I'm using now?
Even Debian is getting the marketing bug. Debian 10? Directly from 3? Shades of Red Hat, SuSE et al. Debian isn't suppo...
Cake? Candles? Ooops.
Nevermind.
Soko
(P.S. - Thanks Debian team for leading the way. And for supporting my Alpha when others won't.)
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
I don't know who Debian is, but I bet Deb released this worm that's gonna shut down Microsoft's update server so none of us uber-geeks can get our updates. I'm gonna call the Feds! Blame Deb!!!!!
If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor - Albert Einstein
This isn't meant as flamebait, can anyone list an objective list of pros and cons between debian and gentoo? So far debian seems to be the powerhouse but the more I read of gentoo and the more people I talk to that use it, it seems like a better way to do linux.
Any thoughts?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
Dammit - going to be in the air on a plane the entire day on the 16th! Oh well, I guess I'll just celebrate by booting up my Debian box (Woody - my main box :) when I finally get back home. Now...which beer...
Ten years of having a pickle up their ass about inane and retarded things!
August 16: Debian reaches 10 years
August 16: MSBLASTER due to launch DDOS on M$
I think we should be told... ;-)
It's not you: I'm just this horrifically socially awkward with everybody.
Debian Turning 10?
At first I misread this article and thought I'd woken from a 250 year coma to find that Debian 10 ("Tapeworm") is now the stable release.
--This isn't a man who is leaving with his head between his legs.
..sippin' champagne and eating cavier as the MS folks struggle with the worst thing since snowcrash-- *blinks twice* eh, oh well. Cheers!! -heres to a GREAT OS. Thanks Debian team, for making the world a better place to compute.
I still consider myself somewhat of a linux newbie, but I've learned as much as I need to manage a few small servers.
My day job is selling medical equipment on the internet but I'm also the "computer guy" for the company I work at. Which btw has the added benefit of some extra job security, because no one else knows how to fix the network when it breaks.
I started tinkering with RedHat and Mandrake about 3 years ago, and have recently installed Debian on a little backup server we have here at work. What a breath of fresh air! I am so glad to be out of RPM hell - those of you who have tried it know how frustrating it is to try and install an RPM, only to find out that you need files A, B, and C to make it work. Then you find out A, B, and C need X, Y, and Z, etc. etc. and that eventually you need an entirely new kernel. You can spend hours trying to fuss with those dependencies. Ugh.
Now with debian it's as simple as:
apt-get install whatever
and bam, you're done! It's awesome! I had a backup server with trouble ticket system up and running in my office here within a few hours (and probably would have been faster if I was more expert).
The Debian apt system is simply awesome, and I highly recommend it for anyone who wants a stable, easy to maintain linux box.
From the press release:
I like the bit about the "apt-get-together"
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I share a birthday with my favourite linux distro!
I didn't even know!
Happy birthday to us!
Debian:10
Me: 29 (ugh)
do() || do_not();
Of course, Slackware is allready 10 years old!
Moderation: +4. Modded 70% Funny and 30% Overrated. 100% Saturated.
Currently 'troll'... wtf is up with the moderators? Is questioning site policy an automatic 'troll' offence?
These parties will be used by SCO to round up potential IP infringers. Stay at home and save yourself!!!
"Before humans had a way of keeping time, no one paid much attention to the anniversary of important events, such as birthdays. Only when ancient peoples began taking notice of the moon's cycles, did they pay attention to the changing seasons and the pattern that repeated itself over and over. Eventually, the first calendars were formulated in order to mark time changes and other special days. From this tracking system came the ability to celebrate birthdays and other significant anniversaries the same day each year.
"Evidence of birthday observances dates back before the rise of Christianity. In pagan cultures, people feared evil spirits - especially on their birthdays. It was a common belief that evil spirits were more dangerous to a person when he or she experienced a change in their daily life, such as turning a year older. As a result, birthdays were merry occasions celebrated with family and friends, who surrounded the person of honor with laughter and joy in order to protect them from evil. Instead of gifts, most guests brought positive thoughts and happy wishes for the upcoming year. However, if well-wishers did bring gifts, it was considered an especially good influence for the birthday person.
From: birthdayexpress.com
yes, sorry...the one url I don't check...
I used 'vanilla' Debian, KNOPPIX, RedHat, Mandrake and Xandros (Debian-based) before settling on Gentoo.
Portage isn't hugely better than apt, but it's enough of an improvement to be worth switching, and I found Gentoo's installation easier.
I'd certainly be using Debian if Gentoo didn't exist, though.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Bay Area Debian is having a shotgun meeting in Berkeley tonight. I'll be bringing Debian-swirl-iced sugar cookies, and hopefully some folks from the Sacramento area. ;^)
-bill!
One thing I've noticed that SuSE seems to do better than any other distro is hardware detection (and initial setup for that matter.)
With debian, I've got a k6-2 450 box I was trying to setup and kept getting EIP errors when I tried using their 2.4 kernel that's on the downloadable ISO.
And then I'm not sure how to setup my network card because SuSE always did it for me and made me lazy.
How is Gentoo compared to Debian for initial setup and hardware detection?
Your points were very useful, I think they've helped me decide to go with debian, but if Gentoo has better initial support in autodetecting things and holding my hand during the initial setup. (Automatically configuring my partitions, realizing I have a USB mouse, seeing my network card) I might go that route.
What's the gentoo equivalent for apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? Hmmm... Maybe it's time I go read their site.
I did look at their site and try to download an ISO but they had it in tar.bz2 format and nothing I have for windows will extract it. Maybe I downloaded the wrong thing.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin