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wampl3r writes " Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens deliver a great response to SCO's recent Letter to the Open Source Community. Their response does a good job of presenting many of the finer points we have been arguing about around here, but it's nice to see them in such a formal, well-thought-out letter." Munchola adds "Meanwhile, ComputerWire, from where McBride misquoted Perens in the first place, sets the record straight: 'In his statement McBride appears to have attributed a ComputerWire paraphrase as a quote from Perens.'" stefan points to this response to McBride's letter from Kevin Bedell, LinuxWorld Magazine's Editor. Below, find one reader's idea about the "stolen lines" SCO claims are in the Linux kernel, and one expert's claim that SCO might not know some of its own source code very well.

VikingBrad writes "The Sydney Morning Herald has an article on Dr Warwick Toomey of The Unix Heritage Society claiming that SCO may not know the origin of code in System V, including claims that there is a lot of BSD software in Sys V."

Alex writes "I wondered where the 100k+ lines of copied code in the linux kernel would come from in comparison to the SCO Unixware stuff. Then a thought popped up in my head: what if they just compared linewise? All those empty lines in the code would have the same content. But how many empty lines are in the Linux Kernel Code? This small shell script counts them for you:

emptylines=0; function parse_dir () { for file in $1/*; do if [ -d "$file" ]; then parse_dir $file; else while read line; do if [ "$line" = "" ]; then emptylines=$[$emptylines+1]; echo $emptylines; fi; done

Kernel 2.4.22, yet cleaned of the code which SCO claimed was stolen, has still 733140 empty lines, probably copied and pasted by the bad, bad kernel developers from the good, good SCO guys..."

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  1. disappointed by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aww man, the one time I want ESR to mention his gun collection and he doesn't do it!

  2. They've copyrighted BLANK LINES!!!! by PatSand · · Score: 2, Funny
    Oh! My! Gawd!

    They're going to go after the federal government next...there go my taxes...

    And what about the "This page intentionally left blank" world?

    I feel like violating some copyright...

    (blank line)

    (blank line)

    (blank line)

    If SCO wants to collect from me, I have one question: Got change for a penny?

    I want my change back...

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    1. Re:They've copyrighted BLANK LINES!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And what about the "This page intentionally left blank" world?

      Any page claiming it is blank is lying.

    2. Re:They've copyrighted BLANK LINES!!!! by Frymaster · · Score: 1, Funny
      it gets worse. apparently microsoft has patented ones and zeroes.

      time to go back to analog i guess...

    3. Re:They've copyrighted BLANK LINES!!!! by stevesliva · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would think that a "blank line" pretty accurately reflects the intellectual property of SCO. This opinion is mine, and not my employer's.

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    4. Re:They've copyrighted BLANK LINES!!!! by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, I suppose there goes the printer paper industry. With the amount of blank paper being churned out, there will be a field day.

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  3. blank lines? by chochos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this mean I have to remove all the blank lines from all my code to avoid being sued by SCO?

    1. Re:blank lines? by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, and in order to keep the code readable without blank lines, you have to rewrite everything in Python.

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  4. Godwin's Law! by *weasel · · Score: 4, Funny

    this one's done, next thread!

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  5. Trogdor Burninates Karma by La+Temperanza · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh SCO would just claim the virus code was their IP all along, and claim license fees from everyone who's still running it - people whose IP they can get easily as it keeps contacting their website! I've found out I cannot pass the day without reading the daily SCO item on slashdot. Dennis got into the act after Linus called his code ugly: damn, them be fightin' words!

    This Comment was generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories.

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  6. Re:Let's make this a press release! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...it's not like they attempted to legally rape a 12 year old girl.

    No, SCO is more interested in raping a (nearly) 12 year old operating system.

  7. Re:SCO is not the problem. Canopy is. by Ralph+Yarro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Canopy own SCO. Darl McBride can't take a dump without Ralph J. Yarro's approval. FUD. Darl's contract permits him considerable leeway so far as dumping is concerned, provided that it is on Linux developers.

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  8. Re:Let's make this a press release! by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

    We need facts, not opinions.

    Why? Lack of facts hasn't stopped SCO - why should it stop us? :o)

  9. Re:Is it Wednesday already? by anotherone · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't you mean, "It's 2:45, time for another SCO story!"

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  10. I'm Sonna Sue SCO!!! by Mnemennth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have in my possession an 8" floppy containing 73,000 empty lies of code, borrowed from my desk during negotiations with SCO for my CP/M floppy disk defragging utility!
    NO! You can't SEE the disk! Well, mabe a picture of it...

    *Cackle*

    Mnem

    1. Re:I'm Sonna Sue SCO!!! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny
      Well, mabe a picture of it...

      Be sure to re-write the label in a Greek font first.

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  11. Re:Let's make this a press release! by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thing is, to successfully issue a press release, the press has to give a shit who you are.

    Case in point, I ran out of Pop Tarts this morning and held a press conference about it and my plans to get some more at Super Fresh, but hardly anyone showed up - except for C-SPAN.

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  12. Re:Let's make this a press release! by PenguinPooper · · Score: 1, Funny

    No it's the RIAA thats after 12 year old girls.

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  13. When you are in a hole...stop digging.... by Lord+Custos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rather than defend the "don't ask, don't tell" Linux intellectual property policy that caused the SCO v IBM case, the Open Source community should focus on customers' needs. The Open Source community should assure that Open Source software has a solid intellectual property foundation that can give confidence to end users. - Darl McBride.

    Darl, Darl, Darl...haven't you ever heard the adage "When you are in a hole, stop digging"?
    You could climb out of the hole you dug yourself into. But you decided to spew more slander, libel and FUD instead.
    Back in July, we offered you a firemans ladder
    In August, we threw down a rope.
    Are we going to have to send down spelunkers, or should we wait until you pop up in China?
    (By the way, Darl, you don't want to end up in China. Thats a Linux country.)

  14. Re:+5 by MoxCamel · · Score: 4, Funny
    We will not attempt to erect a compromise with you on a foundation of dishonesty.

    Heh heh...he said erect...

    Darl McBride is a Big Fat Idiot: A Fair and Balanced Review of SCO

  15. Well thought out???? by pulse2600 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Their response does a good job of presenting many of the finer points we have been arguing about around here, but it's nice to see them in such a formal, well-thought-out letter."

    You mean posting "$C0 $|_|x0r$" on slashdot doesn't qualify as well-thought-out?

  16. Acronym Fun by schnarff · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure this won't get modded up high enough to ever be seen, but it's just come over me what SCO must really stand for: they're Smoking Crack, Obviously. Now we just need to get the DEA on them, since the SEC won't do the job. ;-)

  17. Re:Maybe it time to start working on HURD by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Funny

    BSD is dying, and the GNU Hurd will be finished Real Soon Now.

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  18. SCO secretly hires Iraqi Information Minister.. by kev0153 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now look at SCO. Every college student knows that you must change comments and variable names of the code you copy.

    This Comment was also generated with the Comment-O-Matic for SCO Stories

  19. Re:Let's make this a press release! by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Funny

    But unless anyone's heard of you and cares what you have to say, noone will read it, let alone publish it.

    Unless it's a realllllllly slow news day.

    Breaking news..


    GUY ON SLASHDOT THINKS DARL MCBRIDE BIG FAG (AP)

    blah blah blah blah

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  20. Firearm enthusiast not equivalent to criminal... by Dareth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Having read the link of this parent, that was a simple "shot acroos the bow" meant as a warning. Not all gun owners settle their disputes with guns.

    I find dex weapons alot more satisfactory... Just hope he aint too handy with a bat or hocky stick... or a plain old kitchen knife. Thems the things you should worry about.

    And anyone threatens me, I gently remind them if they kill me, they got to take care of my wife.

    Now that is an effective threat!

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  21. Re:A really nice response. by winse · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just a shame that it was co-authored by that gun-toting fucktard ESR who makes the lot of us seem like a bunch of hillbillies from Utah.

    I am a hillbilly from Utah you insensitive clod.

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  22. Re:How meaningful. by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm just hoping SCO never wrote a "Hello World" program, otherwise some lawyers may raid my freshman course records and have me arrested in six languages.

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  23. A Financial analyst who recommends SCOX by Sarvagya · · Score: 3, Funny
    Jonathan Cohen of JHC Capital Management recommends SCOX and thinks that "The company has the ability to earn in excess of $3 a share over the next couple of years," and that " The stock, which opened Tuesday at $16.52, is inexpensive".

    CNBC

  24. Reminds me of an old lawyer joke.... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 4, Funny
    Q) When Darl McBride is in a hole up to his neck in sand, what do you have?

    A) Not enough sand.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of an old lawyer joke.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Better answer: Time to get a beer while the tide rolls in.

  25. If you can do it with silence... by ChrisKnight · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wasn't there a recent copyright dispute where one artist had a track of silence on his CD, and was sued by the estate of another artist because they claimed copyright on a track of silence?

    Since that was settled out of court, I can see where SCO would think they at least had a chance of getting a settlement over the empty lines in the kernel.

    Oh, shit... I have two empty lines in this post. Should I send SCO a buck?
    *
    *
    -Chris

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  26. Re:How meaningful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Not an impressive way to measure plaguerism.

    Not an impressive way to spell plagiarism.

  27. Translation by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. That's a well-crafted piece of literature. Unspecting high school freshmen will one day have to read that and dissect it as part of "US Literature". Assuming the schools can still teach reading by then.

    Meanwhile, I ran the article through Babelfish:

    Dear Mr. McBride,

    You suck.

    With all due respect,
    The Open Source Community

  28. SCO does what no other vendor has ever done... by weave · · Score: 5, Funny
    Wow, after all the religious wars on slashdot over microsoft, linux, apple, star wars, diablo, etc, etc, we have finally found a topic that everyone agrees on -- SCO sucks.

    Surely SCO must have some plants that can post some positive SCO-defending material here?!

  29. What do you say? by MuParadigm · · Score: 4, Funny


    "Hey, he's got child porn on his workstation!"

  30. Consultancy opportunity by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 3, Funny
    Dear Mr McBride,

    I have a proposal to make to you that I believe could be in our mutual interests. I have been following with interest your license dispute with IBM, together with your attempt to keep us all informed through regular press releases and interviews. Unfortunately, for all your efforts, the result has been unsatisfactory as the information you have presented has consistently contained rather severe inaccuracies. I can assure you that I (like most in the open source movement) am very symathetic to your problem. I understand that SCO originally did not have a copy of much of the source code it owns (that you believe has been copied wholesale into Linux). As such, it is understandable that you would know little about it.

    I believe SCO has now managed to acquire a copy of the Unix V source code. This is a good first step, but not enough. I believe you now need access to someone who can evaluate where this code came from and which portions, if any, may be regarded as SCO intellectual propery. I would like to offer my services to assist your organisation in this matter. As someone who can read C code and knows how to use the google search engine I am eminently qualified for this task.

    I am sure you will wish to take advantage of this offer without delay. It must be a matter of great concern to you that, for all your efforts, you have thus far been unable to accurately present the situation to your shareholders, customers and the general public.

    Yours etc.

  31. Dear Mr. Jameson: by burgburgburg · · Score: 2, Funny
    Dear Mr. Jameson,

    Please keep up your insightful attacks against that criminal Spider-Man. Yours is the only paper that properly recognizes the menace this individual represents to our fair NYC. We applaud your bold stance.

    All the best,
    Green Goblin, Esq.

    P.S. Muahahahahahahaha

  32. Re:Let's make this a press release! by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I and the three other people who were watching CSPAN this morning did not particularly appreciate listening to you talk about Pop Tarts for fourty-five minutes. I almost changed the channel.

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  33. Re:A really nice response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I am an insensitive clod, you hillbilly from Utah!

  34. Re:Slander? Libel? by john82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Darl also does interviews.

    But does he do Bar Mitzvah's and mall openinings?

  35. SCO claims: the new cold fusion? by cfassnacht · · Score: 2, Funny

    Trying to create a miracle source of value that others can't seem to reproduce? You may be an ambitious though misguided resident of Utah. Unfortunately, peer review will be catching up with you. Alternate career plans are strongly recommended.

  36. SCO claims Bible verse stolen from V code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    McBride is saying that 1 million words has been stolen from System V code into the Bible. McBride is also closely watching Tora's words too.

    Very soon MCBridge will send a 10 billion law suits to churches all around the world and even call on Jesus for justice.

    McBride is offering all churches $1000 license fee to legalize their Bible.

  37. Re:How meaningful. by einer · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you're that asshole who's codebase I've inherited! Who the hell bothers to comment i++; ?!?!

    Die in a fire.