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World Cyber Games 2003 Results
jester42 writes "The quasi-olympics in eSports just took place this last weekend in Seoul, Korea. 600 players from 55 nations competed in 8 different games to find both best players and best nations. The results of each game, and a medal tally can be found at the WCG website. Germany got the title of best nation, ahead of Chinese Taipei and Korea. The World Cyber Games are held every year, and national qualifications are followed by a final. Next year's final will be hosted by San Francisco, and will be the first time the WCG finals take place outside Asia."
Why isn't this an olympic sport yet?
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Get rid of the basketball court and the football field. Just have rows and rows of systems rigged up with FPS games.
At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim.
On a more serious note, this is both interesting to me and disturbing at the same time. It's one of those things we probably should do something about, but won't.
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Sorry about that. DON'T MOD PARENT UP! I could've sworn it didn't load right for me the first time....
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I wonder if the tournament downloads, specifically Unreal Tournament 2003 recorded matches are available for download. It'd be interesting to watch.
Does anyone know where to get these files?
3 RTS and 3 FPS... 1 Sports game. I'll admit to not knowing what "survival project" is.
They need to round out the categories a bit more. Maybe a racing game, a fighter ala Street Fighter and its ilk.
And of course they need some turn-based strategy in here. I'm probably just a big dork, but I'd rather slowly watch a 8 person multiplayer game of Civilization unfold than watch people frag each other OVER and OVER and OVER.
What would you like to see in next years' games?
There is no doubt that korea is still the best gaming nation. Foreign nations were able to take 2nd (Germany) and 3rd (Canada) because of korea's bad organization. First off, they denied the two-time defending champion (Lim Yo Hwan, Slayers_`Boxer`) an automatic bid, which they had given him previously. They then ran the qualifers as best-of-1 with no losers bracket. Because of this and inherent randomness/map imbalance, many of the favorites from korea were eliminated early and only one of the qualifing players was ranked in the top 10 in Korea. This allowed Germany to pick up some points in Starcraft that they wouldn't have won otherwise.
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Al Michaels: Ha ha ha. John, this is only network television, so we're treading on thin ice. But with 28 years of practice, it's no wonder why he is just so good. Now, let's join Lisa Guerrero with the Nerd Alert.
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There are demos available on SoGamed's demo section - it's pretty slow right now though...
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The FIFA Soccer Finals: two German twin brothers who agreed beforehand to split the prize.
As England's Gary Lineker said: Football is a game with 22 men and in the end, the Germans always win.
What do you mean? It was a team competition. The Swedish Team beat US in the Finals.
They decided to make CS a clan competition because like you said, teamwork is needed and it's easier to just take a working team than to train a national team. Plus they have that system of national qualifiers, so someone has to decide which players to send, so who should pick that team for each country? StarCraft is HUGE in Asia, especially in Korea.
the games aren't constant.
it's like turning the rules of soccer(or american football) on it's head every few years. with the olympic cycle of 4 years, the games would completely change between every olympic games held. now you could become 'olympic level' in any of the games mentioned now in just few years practice, which is not possible in (most) other olympic sports.
now, just about the only (electronic)games that would have had the longevity needed for even thinking of being added would be nethack(with special categories such as illiterate monk?) and.. well, something, tetris perhaps. the games that have been played for 10+ years aren't exactly popular.
perhaps in 50 years we will have games that have a life of more than 20+ years, enough to strike it through as a real long term sports.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
hmm didnt know they still called it that. next thing you know someone will start talking about formousa :-p. get over the political correctness; its Taiwan
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We got no problem calling it Taiwan all the other times, so why not now ;-P
SoGamed's WCG site!
SoGamed WCG film
A better link to sogameds demo section, right now I can only find 3 WCG demos under the "WCG 2003" category...
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Wohoo, Sweden at least one the CounterStrike competition. It was even on mentioned on swedish national news. (I guess we don't win that much, so we are happy with what we get)
Congratulation guys!
Indeed, it's a political thing. Some countries want to be on good terms with the People's Republic of China, so they don't officially recognize Taiwan. Even the US government belongs to this group, there are no official diplomatic relations between the two countries (see CIA factbook entry). The topic came up once during the Clinton Administration, because the US wanted to get China as their trade partner they had to be careful about Taiwan.
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Kind of hard to find anything on this game (at least in english). Here's a short review in english.
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Looks like the following are official sites (Taiwanese and Korean respectively)
http://www.spgame.com.tw/
http://spgame.com/
Seems to be some kind of multiplayer RPG that's got an anime feel to it . .
FIFA Soccer - Uh hello, in the US Madden on PS2 outsells like every crappy soccer game ever made for any system COMBINED. This is a clear example of anti-US bias.
Do do realize however, that soccer (Futbol, football etc...) is the single most popular sport in the world in terms of fans, televised audiences and participants. Guess what? NFL is not even second here. That honor would go to Formula One racing. NFL football, like Nascar racing is a uniquely American phenomenon that most of the rest of the world simply does not follow.
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- What do you mean? It was a team competition. The Swedish Team [worldcybergames.org] beat US in the Finals [worldcybergames.org].
That's not quite correct. It's more like A swedish clan (Sk.swe) beat A US clan (3d). In some of the other games they had more like national teams play each other. But just as I said in a previous post, it just made much more sense this way.read it more carefully...the modding was part of the topic...and the dick even spelled it wrong :P
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Halo - The anti-US bias here is CLEAR. The US would have taken this event hands down because X-Box is far more popular in the US than anywhere else. But for some reason there was no team event? So Korea gets its free gold event, but the US doesn't. That sure seems fair.
US won Halo...
Counterstrike - AGREED. This is the #1 tournament game in the world. But why no team competition? CS requires teamwork more than almost any other game.
As mentioned previously, CS was a team competition.
StarCraft - SC is over 5 years old, and almost noone plays it anymore. It has no business being in this tournament. Big suprise, the Koreans won this event, I heard this game is HUGE over there. This event was obviously just thrown in to give Korea a free event.
Actually starcraft is huge everywhere outside of the US. Don't believe me? Check out the World Game Tour which has over 75,000 members (and korea is only #3 in terms of games and players, although they are clearly the best), or Team Liquid which gives reports of the Korean leagues to an english-speaking audience.
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Starcraft has always been big overseas; I believe that it would be bigger here if people actually held tournaments for SC (or RTS in general). I'd like to see a C&C:Generals compeition, I've played that game when it first came out... loved it. Just didn't have the $ to spend on it at the time. Going to pick it up from the ebx later this week.
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Were they running both on the same win2k computer, or their ISP just pulled the plug?
I'd try Thresh instead.
Wonder what the national sport in Iraq is going to be ?
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Actually, some Chinese cried like babies at the World Cyber Games a couple years ago when Taiwan's team had the audacity to actually call themselves Taiwanese
Isn't it funny that for an anti-Microsoft site such as Slashdot, they use a Microsoft Sidewinder Pro as their icon?
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Umm, sorry, CS isn't TDM. Not in the way that TDM is used by people who know what TDM is, at least. Tribes 2 requires teamwork, but implying CS doesn't is silly.
Wah, wah, I don't play the games because I think they suck or they're not popular here, so they must be anti-me!
It's also discrimanatory against the majority of Ethopians because they don't have the luxury of computers! Let's make Bush bomb Korea! Both of them!
Hey, can my team from Uganda play in your "World Series"?
I just read the last paragraph, you think they HATE the USA? What a self-inflated feeling of worth. They probably didn't even care that no loud-talking, fat-ass, whiny Americans like you attended the event.
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Ok. Anyone bashing SC, stfu and read this carefully. Though the game is old, or even very old, it is played a WHOLE FUCKING LOT. Don't believe me? Go log onto BNET (your choice of US gateways if you think only Koreans are playing it) and see how many people play it. Yea, it is about the SAME AS BEFORE - over 10k games usually.
Furthermore, SC displays the following great points:
1. It is balanced. There has been almost no RTS as balanced like this one.
2. Look at the gameplay. Forget the micromanagement in the new games, this one is as clear a test of aim and linear strategy for RTS as CS is for FPS. It tests skill very well - CS is old but can you deny that it is an awesome test.
2b. Ok as a continuation, there has to also be non-linear games so you can throw in something like...pfff WC3:FT? I think WC3:FT is to SC:BW as UT2k3 is to HL:CS (get that?). And for the FPS genre, we do have UT2k3 and CS...
3. Try playing UMS maps (use map settings). They actually are a whole lot of fun. Though they won't be used in tourneys likely, have a look at the 'defense' line of maps, which exhibit some very cool uses of the engine.
So yea quit talkin' out your ass sayin' that the game is old. It is still very much active and popular which is why an SC2 would be a very popular game (blizzard developers, hint hint)
"At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim."
What kind of jackass comment is that? The kids killed at Columbine *didn't have guns*.
"People" using "unnecessary" quotes should be "shot".
Unless you're talking about the two kids who *did* the killing (who had guns) having better aim, and hence, not killing folks they didn't mean to kill. Still a jackass comment.
"People" using "unnecessary" quotes should be "shot".
Try responding to this comment, but first correct the spelling error in the subject. Hit the "preview" button. Look at what Slashcode does to the subject, and you'll understand why the OP included the misspelling. I've seen other trolls put "5core:5, Interesting" to get around this "feature."
BTW, the original comment actually was modded up - it was at +1 Funny at one point. Looks like somebody's going to get nailed when this comes up in m2.
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I wonder why there are no id software games present in the games list? They always seem to be the bar of online deathmatch type games, odd they would be left out of the "World Cyber Games".
YOU need to pay more attention! the post directly below yours has it right!!! :->
At least fewer people will be killed inadvertently the next time a Columbine happens. The kids will have better aim.
Actually the killers actually killed the people they wanted. There wasn't any "inadvertent" kills (I don't even know what that means)...
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Actually there are very few countries that recognize Taiwan. Other than USA and its proxies, I don't know who does. Taiwan isn't even in the UN (it has observer status though, I think). The Taiwan situation is weird. Technically it is not a seperate country but in reality it is.
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Seriously, Rugby is a man's sport. Americanized Rugby serves TV (they change the rules to make time for commercials. Oh yeah, that's a real sport!)
The capitalist overlords in USA want to add commercials to EVERYTHING. They even show some soccer games with commercials (although they don't stop the game.)
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tribes2 requires more teamwork than CS does. tribes2 is far more strategic, CS relies mainly on who has the quickest reaction times.
The Superbowl is aired worldwide to a potential audience of about 2 billion people.
Its watched by about 400 million people for more than twenty minutes, after the half-time show the numbers drop to Americans and people to stoned to relise that they aren't playing Madden.
Why should the rest of the world learn your stupid complex rules just because you can't be bothered to learn theirs? US Population < Rest of Human Race.
Face it, outside of America no-one gives a rats arse about Gridiron. Soccer on the other hand is essentially a religion in some parts of the world.
Also Soccers rules are remarkably simple to understand, get ball in net... don't touch ball with hands...unless you are goalie.
Thats essentially the basic rules of soccer. I can't even comprehend Gridiron. Rugby(Union) and Aussie Rules on the other hand I love and know most of the rules.
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that's prolly why it wont get in the olympics.
in seriousness, I dont see it worthy as an olypmic event, the olympics are for physical endurance...
and masturbation doesnt count either, or moving your fingers over a keyboard.
we had a form of FPS in gym class-- Dodgeball
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Football is really popular in Iraq. I know this because the national trainer was from East Germany, he had to flee from the bombs.