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Apple Updates iBook Line With G4 Processor
Kyro writes "Apple today upgraded their iBook notebook range across the board to G4 processors, Airport Extreme, bluetooth, USB 2.0, and slot-loading combo drives. All models ship with Mac OS X 10.3, and the 12" model gets a 800Mhz G4 while the 14" models get a choice of 933Mhz or 1Ghz. Prices largely remain the same as the old G3 versions." Mwongozi adds "Although not announced on the front page, the Apple Store was updated just a few minutes ago to show the new iBook."
dont forget if you are going to order one of these, to get your student discount!
it takes the $1099 12inch ibook down to $949. Hey thats 1/2 an ipod!:)
Just got myself a 12' PowerBook, oh well :-) Today I'd be hard pressed to choose -- one big plus on the PB is the *digital* video out, which lets you attach a Studio display. The new iBooks are discounted $100 at my University's edu store, versus $200 on the PBs. Specs and Euro prices from Macbidouille:
- 12" / 800MHz
PowerPC G4 a 800 MHz
256 Ko de cache N2 (a 800 MHz)
Ecran TFT 12" (1024 x 768)
256 Mo DDR266 / 30 Go
Lecteur combo DVD/CD-RW
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (32 Mo VRAM)
1.199 euros
- 14" / 933MHz
PowerPC G4 a 933 MHz
256 Ko de cache N2 (a 933 MHz)
Ecran TFT 14" (1024 x 768)
256 Mo DDR266 / 40 Go
Lecteur combo DVD/CD-RW
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (32 Mo VRAM)
1449 euros
- 14" / 1GHz
PowerPC G4 a 1 GHz
256 Ko de cache N2 (a 1 GHz)
Ecran TFT 14" (1024 x 768)
256 Mo DDR266 / 60 Go
Lecteur combo DVD/CD-RW
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 (32 Mo VRAM)
1699 euros
The next IBM 750 series of processors will have faster main cores and Altivec extensions so G3s will be back even if they don't get called G3s by apple. What is a G3 with altivec if not a G4 (ish, sort of).
I will interested to see how this will affect lower end powerbook sales.
I'm in Athens, Greece and exploring the Apple website has persuaded me that both discounts are unavailable for me. Apple should offer both globally...
remember 15" widescreen is not the same as 14" at 4:3 ration, but you are quite right regarding the premium.
Here's why the 12" powerbook is more expensive and why someone might choose it over the 12" iBook: BTO SuperDrive bigger hard drive faster processor higher maximum RAM bigger L2 cache slightly lighter extended desktop video (rather than simple mirroring) DVI port rather than VGA port If those are features you want/need, then the markup would be worth it. But the new iBooks are clearly very attractive and well-priced alternatives.
I just checked out the specs, and with the exception of the 12" model, the G4 PowerBooks all have a 167Mhz bus, and 512K of backside cache.
The G4 iBooks have only a 133Mhz bus and 256K of backside cache.
The faster buses and larger caches in the PowerBooks are going to keep them running faster than the new iBooks in real-world tasks, even if the CPU speed is the same.
-Mark
SuperDrive is only available on the Powerbooks, plus dual monitor support instead of just mirroring. My wife cares about the first feature, I care about the second, so I guess we are saving our pennies a bit longer.
Not so much a sig as a lack of one.
These aren't the same G4 chips you're used to in Powerbooks, they're IBM manufactured "PPC 750GX". Yes, that's a G3 with AltiVec.
Previous PPC750s (the fx and so on) were called G3s. Add an AltiVec unit to it and Apple call it a G4
Remember Apple's marketing is perfectly justified in calling a chip anything it likes, and it looks to be using AltiVec as the demarcation between G3 and G4, rather than the rest of the core. It's still a PPC750 in these new iBooks however.
That's like comparing a Windows 3.1 system to a current Mac with the Unix-based OS. You'd be asking why anyone would choose Windows.
The mac you are using doesn't have pre-emptive threading support. The Macs now have a totally different OS core, based on BSD.
the pixels are bigger, so the screen is not as smooth as the 12"
that's why i went with the 12" ibook instead of the 14" when i got my G3
now i gotta find a way to get rid of my G3 ibook and upgrade to the G4 ibook
-joe
The PB line has:
Availability of superdrive
Max 1.25 GB RAM, compared to 640 MB on ibook
Built-in bluetooth
512 K L2 cache, compared to 256 K for ibook
Mini-DVI out, not Mini-SVGA out
Allows for monitor spanning, not just mirroring
The 15" and 17" models also have gigabit ethernet, FW800, widescreen aspect ratio, and backlit keyboards...
Of course, it's up to you to decide if these features are worth it or not.
The eMac has dropped to $799 now and that is for the 1 GHz G4 with a combo drive.
Browsing Apple's pages, I noticed that USB 2.0 support was added to these iBooks. USB 2.0 was first supported by Apple in the new G5 towers (although unlike the G5s, the iBooks don't support FireWire 800, only FW 400).
It also ships with OS X 10.3 Panther, although this should surprise no one as Panther is set to ship within the week anyway.
If you want to buy one of these, it might be a good idea to go to the unleashing of Panther this Friday at an Apple Store! When Jaguar came out, it was what, 10% off everything in the store?
Your misunderstanding is simple: "resolution" is a optical term that used to describe resolving power. Applied to computer displays, it would correspond to how many pixels there are per inch.
Nowadays people use the term "resolution" when they really mean screen size or dimension.
You can have a screen that's 1024 X 768 and is only 2-inches wide... or 2-feet wide.
Get it?
Anyway, since most people sit closer to their laptops and portables than they do when they are working on desktop computers, smaller screen can be perfectly acceptable to some. My daughter loves her older iBook, which has 1024 X 768 pixels in a 12-inch (diagonal) display.
--Richard
PS: The word "resolution" has been bastardized
by tech-types and marketing dweebs. Pity. It
was a good word.
My first reaction was "great, the iBook is the same as the PowerBook I bought a few months ago". After a few minutes digging, though, there are some real differences, though they're subtle. So Apple managed to give the core benefits of the PB to the iBook at a somewhat lower price, which is a good thing, even if it does reduce the product differentiation a bit.
:-)
The differences I can see are:
- Bluetooth is extra (an internal module, like AirPort).
- No SuperDrive option. This is a big deal to me -- I do backups on DVD-R's (you don't want to back 60 GB onto CD-R's!).
- No DVI out (also none on my PB, but there is on new ones)
- White plastic instead of metal case.
- 0.3 pounds heavier, perhaps 1/2 inch thicker.
- 10 GB smaller hard drives
- Plastic probably more impact resistant than metal (but also leads to case being thicker).
- $500 more for PowerBook.
So overall, a tradeoff. I'm still as happy as ever with my 12" PB, but now more people can buy most of what I've got, and while that makes it a little less exclusive, that's really a good thing...
Enable 3D printed prosthetics!
ibook doesn't do extended desktop, but you can apply a hack that will allow it to. The titanium powerbooks have always been able to do extended desktop, so you must be reading the specs wrong.
The two questions I always ask in response to this question are "how much do you want to spend?" and "what do you want to use it for?" All of the current Macs will run OS X and basic Internet and Office applications with no performance problems (just add RAM). If portability is of any interest to you, the Apple laptops are great with regards to relative performance and durability. On the other hand, if future expansion/upgrades are important to you (and they may be, considering you're interested in playing games), the desktop is the way to go. Deciding between a G4 desktop and the G5 will likely be a cost consideration. If you can afford the G5, its performance justifies the cost. The G4 desktops can be had for considerably less money, but still offer good performance (especially in dual-processor configurations). Obviously if top of the line performance is critical, you must choose the G5, but you can easily save enough for an iPod and additional RAM if you go for the G4.
Well, as a student, I find having a laptop makes a huge difference in the amount of work I get done. My situation is a bit specialized -- I'm a grad student, and I work as a DBA 30 hrs/wk and take 6 credit hours (this is considered full-time in grad school, although I'd say it's more like 3/4 time) at locations that are fairly far apart. One machine -- my iBook -- serves as my sole computer for work, home, and school. I really like having everything accessible to me, all the time.
The iBook (mine is a 700 MHz G3, a little dated now) is a wonderful machine, and it handles every demand work and school can throw at it. Having the Unix command line accessible at a click is indispensable for both locations. The GUI part of OS X is absurdly easy to use and very powerful; if you're used to XP or any of the common Linux desktops, it will take you about a day to get comfortable with it and a month or two to get over the "I didn't know it could do that! OMFG, that's so cool!" reaction. I'd say that if you buy one of the G4 iBooks, you'll feel that your money was well spent.
Any caveats? Well, yeah. You probably want to spend a little extra on the 3-year AppleCare plan. With luck you'll never need it, but let's face it, life is rough on laptops. And unless you shoot your laptop, give it to your dog as a chewtoy, or drop it in salt water, AppleCare will take care of anything that's likely to go wrong. And, of course, as always, spend every penny you can on boosting the RAM; the default is never enough. But I think you can do all of the above and still stay within your $1,300 limit -- and you'll have a machine that no similarly-priced PC laptop can touch.
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
And the hack doesn't work with the 1st generation of white dual usb firewire iBooks (the 2001 version), only the later ones: different video card.
Try here for the firmware hack.
You tell me how "whilst" differs from "while," and I'll stop calling you a pretentious jackass.
then the G3. So the Powerbook should still be significantly faster.
All iBook (dual usb) have a fan. Take it apart and look. Normally can't hear it though.
Lump lingered last in line for brains, and the ones she got were sorta rotten and insane.
My iBook (now two revs old) certainly does manage the claimed battery life (with the brightness down and airport off etc).
Windows moves in mysterious ways, its crashes to perform
My biggest tip, regardless of brand, is to keep that thin bit of packing that sits between the screen and the keyboard when you first unpack your .
Whenever you're hitting the road, slide that bad little piece of non-biodegradable love in there, so that your keyboard and/or pointing device (if you've got one of those wee joysticks amidships) doesn't trash your screen.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Plus, very important for Video Nerds:
iBook = up to 640 MB
Powerbook = up to 1.25GB
Big difference!
Damn those pesky terrorists
having just recieved my 900 MHz G3 iBook in the mail 4 days ago, I was pretty pissed to see that Apple unveiled a new line of iBooks.
However, I called Apple, and it turned out I qualified for some kind of price protection. I am not allowed to return my iBook and get a new one (since my iBook was "custom built" by having extra RAM and an Airport card added), but they are going to credit my Visa $190.
Hope this helps anyone else who just bought an iBook. CALL APPLE!!! they may have some money for you....
No, you are incorrect.
I have one of the new PowerBooks. I also have Apple's CHUD (Computer Hardware Understanding Development) tools. When I run the Hardware PreferencePane, what is reported is 7457, not 7447.
Since when do you believe what you see on MacRumors?
I am in one of the neighbourhoods where Apple has one of their stores. Speaking solely from the experience of spending way too much time hanging out at said store and drooling over the keypads, you're dead wrong about it being a first-time buyer's solution. The most common thing overheard when people are using the GUI is "that's so much better than Windows." Not "that's so easily done, this is my only frame of reference."
And you're dead right about the digital hub being part of the allure. They have each type of device you can use for sale on a freaking pedestal. I have definitely seen a lot of Camedias and Palms and iPods sold as accessories alongside PCs. But few of the purchasers are computer virgins.
Hey freaks: now you're ju
The "old" (non-DVI) 12" AluBooks, like mine, were also able to have only up to 640 MB of RAM.
So you're right only, if you compare to new 12"DVI PBook
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On the powerbook you can concurrently have different resolutions on the built in display and the external monitor. I'm typing this right now on a 12" power book with an external 17" display with the internal screen at 1024x768 and the external screen at 1280 x 1024. I've had an external display running at 1600 x 1200 as well, but it was only a 17" screen, and it was doing my eyes in...
The 750GX DOES NOT include a SIMD/AltiVec unit, and these machines DO NOT have IBM 750GX CPUs in them.
the 750GX, due soon at a fabrication plant near you, is essentially a 750FX with additional L2 cache (1MB vs. 512K), and some minor reworking to accomodate higher clocking and better caching. Expect it to run in the 900MHz-1.2GHz range over it's lifetime.
The 750VX, which nobody has even claimed to have seen yet, is the rumored IBM 750+AltiVec CPU. It would be IBM's answer to Motorola's G4 chip. Specs are up in the air.
I think if you were to tear one of these new notebooks open you'd see a Motorola 7XXX branded CPU, which tend to favor AltiVec in exchange for on-die cache. What leads me to this conclusion? The IBM whitepapers for the 750GX have been out since June, and their specs just don't match with this laptop's, while Motorola's offerings clearly do.
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