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NASA's Earth Observatory Shows Solar Flare

staaktdenarbeid writes "In the past few months I became very impressed with the timeliness and quality of NASA's Earth Observatory. When hurricane Isabel struck, their imagery showed me the biggest latte ever made. Now that Southern California is on fire, it takes only a look from outer space to see how bad the sitation really is. And, today, a massive solar flare showed up on their website as soon as it errupted (so to speak). Each of these pictures is accompanied by detailed technical background. And for the rest of us, they also make perfect screen backgrounds. Very cool."

176 comments

  1. Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Isnt this just a reapeat?

    1. Re:Wait? by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      Twice today? No wonder it's so hot outside!

      I'm gonna pop a beer, see ya!

  2. FP by Venner · · Score: 1

    My first reaction.
    "Oooh. A Red Story."

    Making my Slashdollars count.

    Hope there's some aurora to see in the sky early Wednesday morning.

    --
    A preposition is a terrible thing to end a sentence with.
    1. Re:FP by Chuqmystr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, if there are auroras to be seen this far south we'll never see 'em.

      I live in Riverside, CA, just 12 miles south of San Berdoo. We've not seen the sun in going on near a week. It's common to see the sun blotted out for 30 minutes or so at a time when fires happen but to see it gone for days at a time is strange to say the least. Right now, at 11:28pm it looks like a thick fog is moving through but it's smoke. Many of us with respitory problems are misserable to say the least.

      It's not worth bitching about though after seeing what's happened in the foothills of the San Bernardino Mnts and much lower than that. You'd need to live here to apreciate just how far the fire has burned. It's gone clear out to La Verne and beyond, two couties away. That's about 26 miles in one line. Worse yet, the fire is just now getting to the edge of a thick forest that has much dry and dead wood due to restricted logging and a very bad bark beetle infestation. I go hiking, camping and mountain biking up there often and over the past few years, and have been doing so for the past 15 years, one can crest any hill and see acres and miles of brown where there was once green.

      IMHO, it's environmentalism gone wrong. And now, there's many folks, some of whom I know personaly, out of a house. I've spent much time in the neighborhoods that have burned, These are not even places you'd expect to see get leveled but they have been. They're well out of the mountains and still, they've burned. As I write this I'm brushing bits of ash from my ibook keyboard and I don't even have the windows open. I'm not trying to be dramatic, just telling it as it is from the locals POV.

      Odd stuff. I hope it ends fairly soon. I have friends directly afected by this who are now waiting it out in motels or friend and/or relatives places. I hope it all works out for them. BTW, one of the major hiways, I15, has been getting shut down almost daily. Many folks out here live out in the high desert above Cajon pass and commute that thing daily down to the valley for work. It's only about an added 45 minutes/45 miles to their drive but when it kills your work day it sucks. When we get bad snow up in the pass it sometimes gets shut down for part of a day or so but not usually for days at a time. I15 is a major artery between LA, Vegas, and beyond. I hope it all works out. I feel very fortunate I've not been affected other than crappy allergy problems. I really have nothing to bitch about for myself and feel kinda guilty.

      Sorry for the rant, just trying to give a local's view of things.

      PEACE!
      Chuck

  3. Impressed? by seanadams.com · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In the past few months I became very impressed with the timeliness and quality of NASA's Earth Observatory

    In the past few months, I've been impressed with how much of my money the government receives, and as much as I appreciate good science, I'd much rather spend a bit more of that money myself.

    1. Re:Impressed? by pstreck · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      it's better them spending it on fancy telescopes than wars for false reasons.
      Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
      --

      Later,
      Phil
    2. Re:Impressed? by W2IRT · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you wish for.
      http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/03/ 3/

      NEWINGTON, CT, Oct 3, 2003--With final action pending by the US House and Senate on a Fiscal Year 2004 federal budget bill, the fate of the Space Environment Center (SEC) in Boulder, Colorado, hangs in the balance. The FY 2004 Senate appropriations bill eliminates funds for the SEC and for all space weather-related activities in the center's parent agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The House version of the appropriations bill holds the center's funding at $5.2 million--a 40-percent reduction from FY 2002 levels. President George W. Bush requested $8.3 million for the SEC. Seattle-based ARRL propagation bulletin editor Tad Cook, K7RA, says the possible loss of Space Environment Center funding has him very concerned.

      "The NOAA SEC provides all of the data for our weekly propagation bulletin," Cook said. "It is SEC staff that prepares the forecasts that I rely on when I tell readers what the geomagnetic and solar indices will be during a given forecast period." Cook says he suspects the proposed cuts are due to some misunderstanding about the SEC's mission, and his contacts with congressional offices have borne out that belief. Cook is encouraging ARRL members to contact their senators and representatives in Congress, urging them to vote to fund the SEC.

      The Space Environment Center provides real-time monitoring and forecasting of solar and geophysical events (see the Space Weather Now Web site). Those include solar flares and geomagnetic disturbances that can affect radio wave propagation. The SEC Radio User's Page includes data and information specific to the current state of the ionosphere. The center also conducts research in solar-terrestrial physics and develops techniques to forecast solar and geophysical disturbances.

      See the full article at the URL posted at the top. I have no clue as to how to post a clickable URL (tried the usual HTML code and it just shows up as [arrl.org].

      73

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      Cheers, Peter, W2IRT
    3. Re:Impressed? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Man, this is so typical of people these days. "What about me? Why doesn't someone think about Me? Me! Me! Me!" Reminds me a lot of the seagulls in "Finding Nemo". "Mine?"

      Guess what, science benefits all of us (after all, 50 years ago, someone might have asked "Who cares about Quantum Mechanics??"... and yet today, we have transistors). The images NASA produces aren't just pretty pictures for us to appreciate. They're real, scientific data which can be used to understand the Sun and it's relationship with our planet.

      Keep in mind, it's because of projects like this (for example, WIMPS), which has allowed us to come tantalizingly close to understanding some of the fundamental processes of the Universe, including how it formed, how it evolved, and how it will eventually die.

      Besides, while we're on the topic of priorities, maybe you should ask your government why they spend a quarter of the budget on the military (doing such wonderful things as researching ultra-small tactical nuclear devices) rather than spending it on you. Or do you feel that increasing US military supremacy (and potentially igniting a new arms race) is more important than the pursuit of knowledge?

  4. Working bureaucracy by KD5YPT · · Score: 1

    It's rare to see a agency funded by government bureaucracy that actually works well.

    --
    In US, you can easily buy enough major firearms to wipe out your neighbourhood but a few little fireworks are banned.
    1. Re:Working bureaucracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh if it worked so well it would have withstood the power of the mighty /.

    2. Re:Working bureaucracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what you're saying is that it's rare to see NASA working well, then I agree with you. Otherwise...

  5. Tune going through my head all day by beacher · · Score: 2, Funny

    Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire"... I fell into a burning ring of fire.. I went down down down and the flames crept higher...and it burns burns burns.

    Maybe it's cause the solar flares cause my bald head to dry out and itch and burn. I should know better to go outside without my foil lined cap.
    B

    1. Re:Tune going through my head all day by S.Lemmon · · Score: 1

      Silly! Everyone knows that song's a ode to his hemorrhoids after eating Mexican.

    2. Re:Tune going through my head all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had the same thing happen to me. But I am pretty sure the 'ring' is my sphincter and the cause is not the solar flare, but those nachos I ate for dinner last night.

    3. Re:Tune going through my head all day by eclectro · · Score: 1


      You don't really appreciate somebody until they are gone.

      I just bought his San Quentin concert CD that had this song on it. Highly recommended.

      --
      Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    4. Re:Tune going through my head all day by rupert2000 · · Score: 1

      I should know better to go outside without my foil lined cap.

      Everyone knows for the foil to work it has to be on the outside of your hat.

    5. Re:Tune going through my head all day by Mortanius · · Score: 1

      Heh, well, it actually was written by his wife (then married to someone else, just as he was married to another woman at the time) about her feelings for Cash. She had her sister (I believe) perform it, Johnny heard it, liked it, got hopped up on something one night and dreamt about a mariachi band, and thus, the legend was born.

  6. ... if this were Star Trek... by John+Hansen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, this solar flare calls for the obligatory Star Trek joke:
    If this were Star Trek, we'd all be dead when the solar flare hits.

    That said, the ground images from the Terra satellites are nothing short of amazing. Since I live in Southern California, it really put a perspective on things.

    1. Re:... if this were Star Trek... by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      That said, the ground images from the Terra satellites are nothing short of amazing.

      Yes, they're definitely wonderful. But I bet they're just thumbnails of the resolution that NASA can *really* get (ie. military grade).

    2. Re:... if this were Star Trek... by jjeffries · · Score: 2, Funny
      That said, the ground images from the Terra satellites are nothing short of amazing. Since I live in Southern California, it really put a perspective on things.

      yes, you are so very small!

    3. Re:... if this were Star Trek... by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The MODIS Gallery, especially the 10/23 compared to 10/28 really does put things into perspective. It's amazing how big of an impact the fires have caused.

    4. Re:... if this were Star Trek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like "Lost in space" or "Flash Gordon".
      Captain frenchy fucktard would talk to the solar flare about a peaceful resolution over a special two part espisode until a deeper understanding of the solar flare's secret plight was reached and then the solar flare would die of boredom and frustration. Captain Fucktard would see irony where there was none, be unable to explain how a solar flare is alive let alone able to communicate and do 70 acts of shit that are'nt possible according to all laws of physics. Then they would have a somber moment as they feel sorry for the solar flare who perished as the episode ends no more explained than before with no possible chance of a real conclusion to the plot which never really started in the first place.

    5. Re:... if this were Star Trek... by Maxhrk · · Score: 0

      If atmosphere is not there to protect us from it, then we will be good jolly dead. probably.

  7. aurora alert... by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative
    for anyone interested, the aurora from this recent blast is starting now, go out and observe it if you happen to have relatively dark skies... for the current 'weather' conditions, check the NASA POES satellite

    and better yet, just go to some recent aurora pics to see what this one probably will look like...

    1. Re:aurora alert... by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      we got dark skies all right, dark and cloudy.

    2. Re:aurora alert... by buttahead · · Score: 1

      drat... new jersey has bad rain clouds tonight. I've always wanted to see a good light show. anyone know if I could have seen it this far south?

    3. Re:aurora alert... by helix400 · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that it wouldn't hit until around noon tomorrow. Anyone with better knowledge know a more certain time?

    4. Re:aurora alert... by supz · · Score: 1

      According to that URL, it looks like we could... seems to be reaching all the way down to north carolina.

      I'm also in Jersey... freaking sucks that possibly the one night we could ever see it this far down, its raining.

    5. Re:aurora alert... by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      Yea, I'm a bit west of Philly. Same shit as you... :-(

      --
      I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
      I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
    6. Re:aurora alert... by buttahead · · Score: 1

      well... i guess at least we dont' run the same risk of burning down tonight :)

    7. Re:aurora alert... by Bingo+Foo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where I live, most of the light is coming from the ground these days.

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      taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
    8. Re:aurora alert... by jag164 · · Score: 1
      Actually, according to the info on that site and others, New Yok City (i'm new jersey also) has a magnetic field latitude of 50.6 and we need to be in the orange/red section to see it here.

      I've been keeping an eye on the link you provided most of the day and the overall area is finally getting larger. It seems we're getting closer and may get a better shot of the show tommorow evening... The clouds may clear up. If they don't clear up here, the skies may be better a bit west....maybe a little road trip to the Poconos?

      Also, according to this link , poeple as far south as Texas and Florida may be able to catch a glimps of the aroura.

    9. Re:aurora alert... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      I'm in Seattle, it's 12:08AM PST with clear skies and some scattered cloud, and all the stars I can see North West of where i am are twinkling like crazy.

      The ones above and to the North all the way around to the South are still and white, like normal, but there's a big one about 30 degrees above the horizon directly North West which is blinking like crazy.

      Just thought I'd let y'all know.

    10. Re:aurora alert... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      Yikes, big patch of deep crimson almost directly overhead, and over to the NE.

      Surreal!

      BTW I don't usually reply to my own posts but WTF.

    11. Re:aurora alert... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just beautiful in Seattle WA. Got to see them for about 5 minutes before the sky clouded up. My first lights and well worth staying up for!

    12. Re:aurora alert... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 1

      I'm in Seattle, and the clouds are rolling in. We had a clear sky til about 11:45pm, now it's all low clouds reflecting city lights. no aurora visible, ah well...

      --
      Kip Hawley is an idiot.
  8. Solar flares - bad for Christmas by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every time the Sun burps, we up here get a little antsy. The problem is that although we have quite a bit of shielding protecting us from most of the bombardment, the ozone is pretty thin. Certainly, it's not a massive hole like down at the South Pole, but it's definitely noticeable at these latitudes.

    It's gotten to the point that we have to wear sunscreen when going outdoors or risk of getting a severe sunburn. It's double the problem because of all the snow which reflects the UV.

    But the UV issue really isn't either here or there in regards to this story, which I was hoping to eventually bring the shielding point back around to.

    The shielding that we've got is pretty thick, but no match for the massive amount of neutrinos and other charged particles that we are bombarded by. Luckily we've got the VA Radiation Belt as a natural shield.

    There ought to be a nice show tonight in the skies!

    1. Re:Solar flares - bad for Christmas by KD5YPT · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One point of note, all charged particles from the sun will get redirected by the earth's magnetic field to the polar region and be disipated in the upper atmosphere. Only a very, very powerful one (X with some ridiculously large number) can warp the earth magnetic field enough that it destroyed the ozone planetwide and ultimately, destroys us.

      --
      In US, you can easily buy enough major firearms to wipe out your neighbourhood but a few little fireworks are banned.
    2. Re:Solar flares - bad for Christmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The shielding that we've got is pretty thick, but no match for the massive amount of neutrinos and other charged particles that we are bombarded by

      Neutrinos are not charged, and they won't harm you.

      The same thing that allows them to pass right through the earth's radiation belt, magnetic field and ozone layer without interacting with anything also means that they'll pass right through living tissue the same way.

      X-rays would be your biggest worry, but the exposure is inconsequential even in this huge burst.

    3. Re:Solar flares - bad for Christmas by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that Outer Limits episode was pretty cool :)

      --
      Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me
    4. Re:Solar flares - bad for Christmas by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      The shielding that we've got is pretty thick, but no match for the massive amount of neutrinos and other charged particles that we are bombarded by.

      If you line your hat with tinfoil the neutrinos won't be able to get through. I cannot afford to have leptonic emissions interrupting my precious bodily functions, especially when I am doing something important that requires mental acuity like programming emergency controller routines to run in nuclear facilities. So I'd say go with the hat, it's a lifesaver.

      Except it doesn't work at nighttime, when the sun is beneath the earth and the little neutral bastards are streaming up at me from the ground. Luckily I hit on the idea of putting a thick layer of tinfoil in my shoe soles and that makes them bounce back into the ground.

      Laugh if you want but I have had no problems with neutrinos since I started doing this. I'm thinking of selling neutrino shielding kits on Ebay.

    5. Re:Solar flares - bad for Christmas by Micro$will · · Score: 1

      Luckily I hit on the idea of putting a thick layer of tinfoil in my shoe soles and that makes them bounce back into the ground.

      Well, that protects your feet, but what about your meat and two veggies? You better get mom to sew up a tinfoil jock strap if you don't want irradiated sperm.

  9. Only damage to the Dollar by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These rampant fires may be wreaking havoc upon insurance companies, but just remember, it is all part of nature. This catastrophe serves to remind us humans we are part of nature, not above it.

    Despite how horrific they appear to be, they serve some beneficial role in the grand scheme of things.

    Bla bla bla

    1. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's also nature telling us that she needs NEW growth in large portions of the land. Old growth is pretty, but is a nightmare for animals that have to forage for plants that can't grow under a massive canopy. It'll make for GREAT habitat for all kinds of upland game, in addition to excellent transition areas that hunters love!

    2. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Micah · · Score: 1

      Part of nature??? Most of them were apparently caused by an arsonist!

    3. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by buttahead · · Score: 1

      well... if any power plants burn down... i guess it's good that Cali doesn't support nuclear power plants... they could have a Civ2:CallToPower nuclear fall out zone to clean up...

      oh wait... boom boom

      well... looks like they lucked out this time :)

    4. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Keith+McClary · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These rampant fires may be wreaking havoc upon insurance companies, but just remember, it is all part of nature. This catastrophe serves to remind us humans we are part of nature, not above it.

      Despite how horrific they appear to be, they serve some beneficial role in the grand scheme of things.

      In nature forests burn every few decades.
      Governments devote a lot of resources to stamping out fires.
      The effect of these efforts is to increase the number of trees that haven't burned - yet.
      This guarantees that when an unusually dry year comes along there will be a big uncontrollable fire that will be more dangerous to people and more environmentally destructive than what would occur naturally.

      Of course it doesn't help that people love to have that little cedar chalet nestled among the pine trees.

    5. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by buttahead · · Score: 1

      and is not the arsonist a part of nature?

    6. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of our fires were caused by the military doing live-fire exercises. Hooray!

    7. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Eraser_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lower poster posted it, but just to make sure this hits your inbox, these large open areas of brush, trees, etc, in the desert might I remind you, burn every so often naturally. The problem is, now there are multi-million dollar VIP homes in those mountains, out in the middle of no where, etc.

      Those VIPs make sure they fire department is well equipped to put out brush fires when they happen naturally (lightning, heat + rotting brush, etc). They do not however, line the pockets of the forest commision (or whoever) to go in and clear brush and things which would have burned naturally and completed a carbon cycle, etc. Yes small woodland creatures with big sad eyes die in the fires, they die when the brush is clear, and so on and so forth.

      Now a major fire starts (from a pipe bomb, a cigarette, or a lightning strike), the winds pick up and turn it into metal melting house reducing inferno, which we cannot contain, and nature settles it's tab.

      I'm no GD tree hugging hippie, but I'm also not in favor of pave it all mentality. Living in Florida I watched houses get built where they had to redo the foundation 4 times in a row because they were building too close to a lake. People are creeping into things which aren't meant to have permanent dwellings put on them. They built this house during a dry season when the lake was low, then 25% of the way through construction, the lake gained 3 feet and the water was lapping over the foundation and washing it away.

      Millionaires put a house up in the mountains (fire burns up remeber?) and then they burn to the ground. I'm sorry they have lost all their things, their pictures and memories, but at some point they have to live up to where they are living. No reasonable insurance company should underwrite those homes, or if they are going to, they should be damn sure that the government or the home owners dont have a shake shingle roof on their home, and theres no dry brush etc for 500ft, things like that. That leaves plenty of room for trees, grass, and plants.

      (Oh so you know, I live way to close to the Claremont fires, but still well below them, and out of the flood plane too, little research saves us a ton of money on homeowners insurance. People 1/2 mile North of us were evacuated, people 1 mile north of us lost their homes. Hot warm ash fell on our house, but we clear the brush, we have a ceramic tile roof, and we were out there at 2am hosing it all down, just in case.)

    8. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In San Diego, I'm sure a certain hunter is repeating that over and over in his head...

    9. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by momerath2003 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess it's good that the nuclear power plants of the design in the U.S CAN'T FREAKING CREATE FALLOUT! If you had to hide somewhere from a fire, the inside of a nuclear power plant would be just about the safest place. These things are built to take on hell.

      Just because you watched "Atomic Twister" on TBS Superstation doesn't mean that it's true, indicative of ANYTHING about nuclear power plants, or that if a fire got near a nuclear plant that "they could have a Civ2:CallToPower nuclear fall out zone to clean up."

      If there's anything that California, and the U.S. in general, needs, it's more nuclear plants. Or perhaps you don't remember the rolling blackouts of 2002 or whenever caused by a lack of power partially due to the fatally flawed, so-called "environmentally friendly" philosophy of California.

      But please. Before you start posting about the dangers to something about which you apparently haven't a clue, read up on it instead of basing your obviously limited knowledge from bad sci-fi movies.

      --
      I had but a simple dream, to destroy all humans.
    10. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Eraser,

      I completely understand and agree with your point - I recently heard that 7 million homes (roughly half) in California are built in extreme fire danger locations (after all, much of California is/used to be desert). I also live in Claremont, and I've watched the fires burn dangerously close 2 times in the past few years.

      Here's my question, and I'll pose it to you and the rest of the Slashdot crowd. Ok, we all understand that it's silly to build these homes where they shouldn't go, but what happens when we have so much money that we can live in places we shouldn't? What happens, when we simply overpopulate an area and there ARE no places left to build but in these dangerous locations?

      Are we going to tell ordinary people who want basically what everyone else has (a normal home, in a decent neighborhood) that they can't have it because there's nowhere else for them to live? I mean, would YOU want to be that person who can't live somewhere because there's simply no more room left? (I'm just playing devil's advocate here)

      I'd love for somebody to answer that one... I for one think more urbanization would have been the answer (build UPWARDS instead of OUTWARDS) but it seems too many people are against it - they want their OWN space.

      What do you all think? At some point, something has to give...

      -6d

    11. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      How can you continue to peddle the lie that the blackouts were anything but artificially created by Texas energy companies gaming the system?

      Oh, that's right. Cheney blamed it on environmentalism, so it must be true.

    12. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by momerath2003 · · Score: 1

      Oh. Pardon me why I don my tin foil hat and try to twist my brain to that ridiculous pattern of so-called "thought."

      --
      I had but a simple dream, to destroy all humans.
    13. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Graphyx · · Score: 1

      Utah has a lot of open land that isn't at risk of being burned. Heck you don't even have to live close to the SCO execs. They don't like the desert..

    14. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Saeger · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Only 6.3 billion people on the planet now, which will double over the next few decades, but the upside is that technology advances just as fast as populations do: exponentially.

      So, it'll just get easier and cheaper to build UPWARDS (including space, once the elevators are built), OUTWARDS (onto the oceans which is 70% of Earth's surface area), DOWNWARDS (below the surface of land/water), and INWARDS (transhumans don't need to live in meatspace).

      --

      --
      Power to the Peaceful
    15. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 1

      Hehe :) That's a great reason to get out of here! Utah it is then! Not that I could even afford to live close to any SCO execs. Also, I might spontaneously combust if I knew I did. lol.. -6d

    16. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 1

      Hey that's a really neat link to the Japanese project, thanks for sharing it!

    17. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An even neater building is the megacity pyramid. Saw it on the Discover channels Extreme Engineering programme.

    18. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by nikster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, i have seen people build in the valley of fire near Los Angeles (where wild fires hit basically every couple of years, even before the homes were built) and on muddy slopes in the santa cruz mountains... then they are surprised they are get swept away with the next heavy rains.

      On fire control, i have seen a primitive yet incredibly effective way of doing that: farmers in the mountains of northern thailand burn down the mountain pretty much constantly during the dry season.

      There are fires on the mountain sides every night, so i asked some locals: isn't that dangerous? they told me they _never_ have fires there. fires destroying property, that is. They don't even have a fire station. Not needed.

      All the underbrush (and there is plenty in this climate) gets burned away, the big trees survive (even the smaller ones, actually). And they NEVER have a fire problem.

      Now, these are farmers from remote regions of thailand.. not rocket scientists, for chrissake.

      I am now convinced that the best way to go for our forest services would be to go there, to be humble, to look at that, and to improve this with modern technology. to _build_ on it.

      I know there are controlled fires in california.. But for one reason or another they don't work so well. just to look at how people deal with that in another country (and have been for hundreds of years) would be advisable.

      They also have an interesting way of putting out fires: Instead of, say, pouring a bucket of water on the fire, they take a handful and sprinkle it over the flames. repeatedly. I have seen them put out 6 foot flames in _seconds_. Pretty amazing.

    19. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by nilenico · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In different parts of the world, it's the same thing with avalanches.

      Here in Norway, it gets cold during the winter. We have snow. Some valleys have quite a lot of avalanches. No suprises there - it's been that way for quite a long time.

      So what happens from time to time is that big avalanches happen, and all the newer house get hit. Houses that are a few hundred years old, or are built on places where there have been buildings for several hundred years, don't...

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      .sig? No.
    20. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by JulianOolian · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If there's anything that California, and the U.S. in general, needs, it's more nuclear plants. Or perhaps you don't remember the rolling blackouts of 2002 or whenever caused by a lack of power partially due to the fatally flawed, so-called "environmentally friendly" philosophy of California.

      Weren't you all pretty-much blackout-free before California's energy industry was deregulated?

      Didn't areas where deregulation isn't fully implemented yet (Los Angeles, I read) go pretty much without blackouts in the 'energy crisis' of 2002?

    21. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's anything that California, and the U.S. in general, needs, it's more nuclear plants.

      And more nuclear waste too, eh?

    22. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nature? of course it's not nature! This is what happens when you let your state be run by a cyborg from the future. Have you people learned NOTHING from the Terminator movies?

    23. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

      And that is why the powers that be at the Burea of Land Management, Department of Interior, etc are starting to allow small to medium sized fires burn so long as the conditions are right to allow them to be contained. We are at the end of a half century plus legacy of bad forest management and we are paying the price, luckily our hindsight is teaching us things that should prevent the same mistakes from being made again. For instance the last two times I have been to the Grand Canyon there have been fires within the park that were allowed to burn, certain roads were closed and certain trails put offlimits, but they were allowed to do their thing so long as the winds didn't pick up too much. The last time I went back I had the inquisitive nature in me kick in and so I hiked to one of the areas that had burned on a previous visit, it was absolutly beautiful, grasses, wildflowers, and small trees growing instead of a dead underbrush like much of the park. Still, you have to feel for the poor saps that are losing their homes due to policies they likely had little to do with creating, and you also have to respect the bravery of the firefighters who try to contain these massive blazes.

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    24. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Smallpond · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Yes. Every foreseen risk has been calculated. I've seen the big brown books.

      3 Mile Island

      Chernobyl

      Some risks aren't foreseen, aren't calculated correctly, or the people involved just do something stupid.

    25. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of building more power plants it might be a good idea to reduce your energy consumption. That would be possible without lowering your living standards. Lets see Germany has the same average living standard as Canada which is above the us level and their consume only 1/3 of energy to reach this level. Also they liberated theri energy markets only a few years ago ...

    26. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1


      Just a quick point: what about California's severe water shortage problem way back when. It could happen again. Should everyone evacuate? I say no, it's too beautiful a place to not enjoy it, and life is always going to be full of risks. Just don't expect someone else to bail you out every time things don't go your way because of your risk taking.

    27. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Mortanius · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of arcologies in SimCity 2000.

      Also makes me think of what it would be like to live in a mall. Certainly seems to bear some resemblance to that. :-P

    28. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      One should keep in mind, though, that you can't always import these things easily, as climate, etc, plays a HUGE role in forest fires. For example, it's my understanding that Thailand is very humid. By contrast, the areas in California being affected by fires are incredibly dry right now. Moreover, the types of vegetation in the area, amount of rainfall and subsurface water, etc, play very large roles in the behavior of fire and our ability to control it. So don't assume that the techniques these Thai farmers use would necessarily work in other places.

    29. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If there's anything that California, and the U.S. in general, needs, it's more nuclear plants.

      From the perspective of the rest of the world, what the US really needs is to cut its energy consumption by about 60% and to drop the imperial foreign policy. Increasing its nuclear power generation capacity doesn't help much with either of these.

    30. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by iabervon · · Score: 1

      People with the money to live in places that are unusual should spend some of that money on getting an honest assessment of the location and on measures to mitigate the danger before it happens. If you want to live on a lake, find out how high the water can get, and build higher. If you want to live in an area that burns periodically, find this out before you build the house, get yourself a buffer zone around your house, and (co-operating with local government) burn off the surrounding fuel so that it doesn't build up to these levels. The problem is not that people want or need to live in these places, it's that people think they can live in these places like they were in the middle of France or something.

    31. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by jafac · · Score: 1

      Um - rolling blackouts were caused by collusion and fraud among the power companies.

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    32. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Jebediah21 · · Score: 1

      Yes you are so right. Obviously a power company would never plan to do something stupid like build a power plant on the San Andreas fault line.

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    33. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by momerath2003 · · Score: 1

      What the heck does a story about some local hick cited from a conspiracy theory publication have to do with nuclear safety and building plants on fault lines?

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    34. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Canada's (here, for me) is a very cold place, spread out across the second-largest area of any nation. It extends up to include the north magnetic pole.

      Germany's a moderately large European country, laced with traintracks, and far further south.

      Between heating, transportation, and lighting in the dark winter nights, Canada's energy needs are vastly larger. It's not all lifestyle.

    35. Re:Only damage to the Dollar by Jebediah21 · · Score: 1

      RTFA. One of the major problems with the plant they wanted to build is that the site was right on a major fault line.

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  10. errupted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fore you're informatshun, its speled 'erupted'.

  11. Deja vu by rolocroz · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's really strange to see all this about a solar flare, when this was just published. Weird.

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    1. Re:Deja vu by obsidianpreacher · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps the effects solar flare have already struck, causing disruptions in the space-time continuum, which resulted in the posting of a duplicate story on /. ... then again, maybe not, and it's just your ordinary day here.

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    2. Re:Deja vu by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 1

      Haven't you seen "Frequency". No? Good, you are lucky. Otherwise, I'm going to contact timothy on my HAM, and tell him to stop smoking. Chick-flic sci-fi at its best.

  12. Exactly... by PakProtector · · Score: 1

    ...how far down the US will the Aurora Borealis be showing?

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    1. Re:Exactly... by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...how far down the US will the Aurora Borealis be showing?

      This article says maybe as far as the southern US.

    2. Re:Exactly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's localized entirely in my kitchen.

    3. Re:Exactly... by OldBus · · Score: 1

      Though presumably not very visible in southern California...

  13. you know... by spacefem · · Score: 2, Interesting

    there are nice things to look at outside, too. sometimes the smaller side of nature is just as memorizing as the big picture. I fear for myself when I spend days looking at the world on a monitor. eh, that's what geekhood is all about.

  14. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mirror =)

  15. I found this useful by digital+bath · · Score: 4, Informative
    I was visiting http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solar_flare_ 031028.html earlier today. According to that site, the storm should hit full-force sometime around Noon EST Wednesday (1700 UT).
    That would put the arrival at about Noon EST Wednesday (1700 UT).

    "That's when it starts," Kunches said. But the storm will blow through over several hours, he said, and won't be done for up to two days.

    "We may be in for some great aurora," Brekke said.
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    1. Re:I found this useful by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      Just another choice exerpt:

      Wednesday evening could provide the best chance to see aurora for U.S. residents. Those in the far north may see activity pick up tonight and endure into Thursday.

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  16. slowing down nasa? by wviperw · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Umm, is it just me, or is the NASA site getting /.'ed? Its taking literally minutes to load the pages.

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    1. Re:slowing down nasa? by staaktdenarbeid · · Score: 1

      Your taxdollars are *really* at work now.

    2. Re:slowing down nasa? by garwain · · Score: 1

      I had to refresh the page solar flare page about 10 times, and am still trying to get the fires to load. connection keeps timing out.

  17. Big Brother knows by spikeham · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    Big deal, all you are seeing is the same stuff the US government has been seeing for forty years, except at way lower resolution.

    Once the French created SPOT, the imagery was available in the commercial world, and the government finally had to let NASA show it to the masses.

    1. Re:Big Brother knows by robsimmon · · Score: 1

      Actually, the MODIS data of the fires is at 250 m/pixel--well below SPOT's 5m/pixel. The highest resolution data NASA is allowed to acquire (by Congressional statute, I believe) is 15m/pixel. 15m LANDSAT and ASTER data are available to the public for a fee from the USGS, and some scenes are available from a variety of sources for free (http://glcf.umiacs.umd.edu/index.shtml) Any higher res data would (in theory) compete with commercial sector. Ironic since the federal government (primarily DoD) pays the commercial sector $5 million a year for high res data from Ikonos and Quickbird. State and local governments shell out more.

      Military satellites (which don't officially exist) may have resolutions of 10cm/pixel.

  18. Space Weather by ndavidg · · Score: 0

    Tuesday and Wednesday, the Expedition 8 crew of Commander Mike Foale and Flight Engineer Alexander Kaleri will spend brief periods of time in the aft end of the Zvezda Service Module, which is the location aboard the Station most shielded from higher levels of radiation.

    Apparently, you cannot escape bad weather, even in space. Well, I sure hope they make it through o.k.

    As for me, I doubt I'll see any Northern lights down here in Texas, but I hope someone takes pictures!

  19. L. A. Smog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like L.A. is getting a lot of smoke that they actually didn't create!

  20. I wish .... by Argofickyusilf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that the public could realise how useful NASA is. If they could see the services that they offer, maybe it would be "politically correct" for Congrees to give them the funding that they need.

    1. Re:I wish .... by MisanthropicProggram · · Score: 1

      Ah yes. If only that were the case. I myself forget where the news agencies get their information when they report the weather or disasters.
      NASA is probably the only government agency that's underappreciated, underfunded, undrerused, and provides the most value to us taxpayers. Maybe the FAA had them beat. I don't know.

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    2. Re:I wish .... by vldmr_krn · · Score: 1

      If the public realized for useful NASA is, Congress wouldn't need to give them funding because the public would fund it itself. You only need Congress to do it when the public doesn't think it's worth doing.

  21. SXI online, but too late by barakn · · Score: 4, Informative

    New images of the xray sun are being taken by the SXI imager once again. Use of the imager had stopped because of an unexpected over-current problem. The SXI team decided that they could safely operate the instrument at a lower voltage, albeit at the expense of a lower signal to noise ratio. The decision was hastened by the dramatic solar events today.

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    1. Re:SXI online, but too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm your last two links were the same . . . .

    2. Re:SXI online, but too late by barakn · · Score: 1

      Well, gosh, you're right. I think I was trying to include a link to the extreme proton event we're experiencing. This page is great for geosynch orbit, this for an L1 halo orbit.

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  22. Before and after pictures of So. Cal. fires by adambehnke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can see a pretty cool before picture (note, by before, I mean _yesterday_)...

    Before

    And now, check out the after (today):

    After

    1. Re:Before and after pictures of So. Cal. fires by yo303 · · Score: 1
      So, normally the exhaust gases from all the SUVs in California make less smoke than that? It doesn't look like much more smoke than I'd expect.

      yo.

  23. Glad we have a magnetosphere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If not, we would be Tater Tots in about 10 hours or so. Really, though, without an electromagnetic field, our planet would pretty much be blasted by the "solar wind" to the point that Mars or Venus would look like a vacation area compared to that version of hell. Another point not to forget is the ozone shield which filters out most UV radiation, where no shield was good at first (to cause mutations into higher lifeforms, like plants, but is now bad) but now is essential to not irradiate humans into extinction. Of course CO2 is bad/good because it will raise/lower global temperatures soon/never so our lives will be altered now/never. This last part is motly right.

  24. Is it just me? by Valar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or did we just manage to /. nasa (ok, so this page at nasa, but still)? Or is it normally this unresponsive? If they can't take on /. and survive, maybe they shouldn't be put in charge of so much sensitive equipment/rocket fuel...

    1. Re:Is it just me? by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should just get an increase in funding, so they can pay for a bit more bandwidth.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... The Land o'Burning Hills pics have been mentioned all over the place recently. Its not just slashdot.

    3. Re:Is it just me? by robsimmon · · Score: 1

      We're being pointed to from everywhere, but Slashdot is the #1 referrer, followed by Google. The problem isn't so much total bandwidth, but database efficiency, which we're working on. We've also got new servers winding their way through the procurement process.

      The main nasa.gov site is handled by a completely different infrastructure.

  25. Good job at getting first post... by YOU+ARE+SUCH+A+FAG! · · Score: 0, Troll

    but you're still a fucking tosser. Such a big tosser, that I can see you from space.

  26. Even NASA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's pretty bad when even NASA can get slashdotted. The linked site is very slow to non-accessable.

  27. mirror of the isabella and CA pictures by XaXXon · · Score: 1

    CA -- really big
    Isabella -- not so big

    1. Re:mirror of the isabella and CA pictures by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1

      Since there is no way to tell scale from your photos: Isabella was 400 miles in diameter. California is 770 miles North to South and 250 miles wide at its widest. I'd put my money on Isabella.

  28. Another Zoomed out Picture of the Fires by dapantzman · · Score: 4, Informative

    This page has a similar picture. It is from NASA's SEAWIFS project. It shows the same fires in a larger area and zoomed out to give a better perspective. Click on the smaller picture to get a gigantic version of the smaller one.

  29. Nice troll, but unfortunately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You copy-and-pasted it off various weblogs and websites, so it doesn't count.

  30. smackdown by mightybricklayer · · Score: 1

    under an hour after being posted, the site is already slower than dial-up... side of slashdot, anyone?

  31. Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by ducomputergeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    At least that's what the local weather guru said on the 10PM news. Said it should be sometime between 12PM and 2AM CST (GMT -6). Despite having an early meeting with clients tomorrow, I am staying up and a awaiting the show...

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    1. Re:Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      Not to sound ignorant, but where is Ark?

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    2. Re:Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe he means AR.. Arkansas USA?

    3. Re:Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      I live in the Ozarks, Arkansas is shortened to Ark. in newspapers and the like quite often.

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    4. Re:Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by richie2000 · · Score: 1
      Not to sound ignorant, but where is Ark?

      My guess would be he's been looking at a zoomed satellite view of Arkansas so just the first three letters were visible.

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    5. Re:Northern lights to be seen as far south as Ark. by digital+bath · · Score: 1

      Thanks :)

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  32. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplane because its obsene.

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit poaching quotes from movies greater than yourself.

    2. Re:WTF? by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I was always disappointed that Brando got that role, and not Elmer Fudd, for whom it was written.

      "I dweamed of a snaiw cwawing acwoss the edge of a wazor. That is my dweam, that is my nightmawe. Eh-h-h-h-h!"

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  33. HOLY SHIT!!! by Paladin144 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Watching the video of the solar flare just about made me brown my pants!!

    Uh, if tomorrow's the apocalypse, it's been a good run, y'all. It's been a lotta fun.

    "Since the dawn of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun!" - Mr. Burns.

    Now it looks like the sun will destroy us! I'll shield my computer with my ashen body so that it might survive.

    1. Re:HOLY SHIT!!! by Maxhrk · · Score: 0

      I think i can translate SUN's language...

      I am burning you..
      with solar flare!

      Damn lucky,
      Earth has this shield.

      But....
      Soon after it is gone, It will be the time.

      what will you do..
      Earthling?

    2. Re:HOLY SHIT!!! by jafuser · · Score: 1

      I think i can translate SUN's language...

      I prefer to let the compiler do the translation to bytecode for me. =P

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  34. the biggest "latte" ? by mah! · · Score: 1
    I know I risk being offtopic, but why would it look like milk :-)?

    I still can't understand why so many people in the U S of A (yes, it's the only country so far where I've heard such an abbreviation) keep calling milk what in fact is caffelatte...

    1. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We refer to ourselves as such, because our official name is the United States of America. Shouldn't you know this already, oh so enlightened non-American?

    2. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by mah! · · Score: 1
      We refer to ourselves as such, because our official name is the United States of America. Shouldn't you know this already, oh so enlightened non-American?

      Sori for mai pur Inglis :-)

      What I was referring to in " it's the only country so far where I've heard such an abbreviation " was the fact that , from what I've heard so far, this is the only country where caffelatte is abbreviated to latte which is milk, not coffee+milk (= caffelatte) ...

      but yes, it still quite off-topic, and the picture to which the original post was referring looks like milk anyway...

    3. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by pboulang · · Score: 3, Informative
      Ok, how else would you shorten the term "Cafe Latte"? The simple fact is, on most menus the two syllables of latte reference a single item, so that shortening makes sense. Also, the fact that the word latte is NOT used in normal conversation to be "milk" also makes it unique in almost any context, not just ordering a drink.

      What *I* can't understand is why people think that reference books (even Internet ones) are up to date and provide indebatable evidence or proof. They are at best a snapshot of word meanings by a single author or group. The simple fact is that language constantly changes and sometimes you end up with terms that should be opposites (flammable and inflammable) but actually mean the same thing.

      Since you seem interested, I refer you to this periodical or even better, this public radio site and specifically the letter that people send in and the responses. You may or may not like it.

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    4. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The use of "latte" to mean coffee with steamed milk is more widespread than you think. Almost every country I've been and worked in abbreviates it as such:
      1) Canada
      2) Australia
      3) UK
      4) Ireland
      5) Namibia
      6) Botswana
      7) Finland
      8) Denmark
      etc.

      In fact, in most of these countries both forms are used. But, since latte is not the normal means of asking for milk, it is an accepteb abbreviation. (Also makes it easier to not confuse with cafe au lait when dealing with different accents.)

    5. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by mah! · · Score: 1
      Uhm... so you say that in these (mostly English speaking countries) people use latte for caffelatte nowadays?

      My small personal statistic of 30-something countries in Europe, Asia and Africa so far was the opposite, admittedly mostly non-English speaking people (e.g. Japan, Sweden, Senegal, Croatia, Germany, Ukraine, France, Hungary, Belgium, etc.). But maybe in the recent years things have changed.

      It's really sad though, that a fine product of Italian cousine gets McDonaldsized both in name and in preparation. Obviously, it happened before - one only has to remember what happened to pizza in the U S of A ... really sad. Starbucks (just as McDonalds) keeps decreasing the overall expected quality of food, and unfortunately it succeeds (unlike McDonalds) in maintaining the appearance of 'high quality' to many customers.

      PS: Latte is certainly not a normal means of asking for milk, it simply means milk (in Italian, of course: it's an Italian word after all).

    6. Re:the biggest "latte" ? by mah! · · Score: 1
      Ok, how else would you shorten the term "Cafe Latte"?
      Well... my reply would be "why do you need to shorten it?" but that's probably not the right answer.

      Also, the fact that the word latte is NOT used in normal conversation to be "milk" also makes it unique in almost any context, not just ordering a drink.
      In English, it is obviously not used that way. But latte means milk in Italian. I think however that it may be strange for non-English speakers to hear words misused in such a way.

      BTW, by no means I am trying to single out American ways of using foreign words. To give you a counterexample, probably just as bad, in Italy people often use the word mail to refer to email - I honestly do not understand why - and to make matters worse (or funnier, if you are so inclined), it's usually la mail i.e. with a feminine article!

      why people think that reference books (even Internet ones) are up to date and provide indebatable evidence or proof
      Sorry - I was just trying to find an online dictionary to show that in Italian (i.e. the origin of the word) latte means milk - that's all.

      You may or may not like it.
      Thanks. Indeed...

  35. the sitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > how bad the sitation really is.

    The "sitation" couldn't be worse than your speling.

  36. Physics of Flare-Induced Power Outages by rjthomas61 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Article on solar flares and power outages.

    "If (when) this flow of charged particles and embedded magnetic field collides with the Earth, it dramatically disrupts Earth's geomagnetic field and ionosphere, changing the terrestrial magnetic fields, and therefore causing currents to flow in the upper ionosphere, ...in the earth itself, and in long distance conductors. The interaction of the [Coronal Mass Ejection] with the Earth is referred to as a geomagnetic storm."

    "This current can cause saturation of the large power transformers at either end of the transmission line, creating a host of undesirable effects. ... Typical undesirable effects range from voltage regulation difficulties, to highly nonlinear sinusoidal primary and secondary currents, resulting in circuit breaker tripping; to creation of local hot spots within the transformer, resulting in transformer failure. ... The effects of [Geomagnetically Induced Currents] were dramatically demonstrated during March 1989, when GIC caused a cascading failure in the Quebec Power system, putting nearly nine million customers in the dark, in less than 90 seconds."

    (Note that this first page is a direct link to a frame, the second through sixth frames are accessible by the "next" tags in the right-hand corners.)

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    1. Re:Physics of Flare-Induced Power Outages by thrill12 · · Score: 1

      So, erm, we should get our UPS's readied up and our backup-generators loaded now, right?

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    2. Re:Physics of Flare-Induced Power Outages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm using Lynx, you insensitive clod!

  37. totally unsuitable for a background by jjeffries · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    what kind of puny setup do you have? you need to get a man's desktop--I'm talking big. A real man would take two 15" monitors over a single 17" any day, and over a 19" every day except perhaps the sabbath. Anything less than 2000 pixels wide is just weak. Only problem is, it's damn tough to find a background. You'll have to re-scan your ass in a higher resolution if you don't want the jaggies, and nobody wants the jaggies on their ass, mon!

  38. We apologize for the SXI outage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Use of the imager had stopped because of an unexpected over-current problem
    Wait... You mean we shouldn't be running our copyright violation detection bots against 150.144.0.0/16? Mea culpa, we'll have our IT department get on that right away.

    Sincerely,

    RIAA
  39. Well shit. by edunbar93 · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the article:
    Today's flare is listed as an X17.2, with an X20 being the most intense flare ever observed in that time. People living in Quebec, Canada, may recall that in March 1989 an X15 solar storm was strong enough to knock out the region's power grid.

    Our ADSL network and our mail server have been really flaky lately (for other reasons, I presume). I don't think that our customers are going to believe us if this causes problems with our network.

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    1. Re:Well shit. by goljerp · · Score: 1

      I don't think that our customers are going to believe us if this causes problems with our network.

      Damn, so this is what happens when we use "solar flares" too often as an excuse... they didn't teach that in BOFH school!

    2. Re:Well shit. by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      More like "this is what happens when you use "solar flares" as an excuse when it's your most recent excuse.

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  40. Those are two days old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The San Diego fires are a LOT bigger than that now.

    We were packed up Sunday night and all day Monday, but $DEITY smiled upon us and shifted the wind. Those to the east of us were not so lucky.

  41. OK, McNealy has to go by mrgeometry · · Score: 2, Funny

    This time McNealy has gone way too far... He really has to go.

  42. Being pedantic... by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    You couldn't see a solar flare "as soon as it erupted". It takes about 8 minutes for the light to reach Earth from the Sun. So if the Sun went supernova right now, you'd still have time to read this comment and make a coffee before you knew anything about it :-)

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    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
    1. Re:Being pedantic... by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

      Being even more pedantic, there's no absolute frame of reference for time, so there's not really such a thing as 'right now' over astronomical distances. I think.

      You probably know better than me. I'll shut up now.

    2. Re:Being pedantic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except our sun isn't big enough to go supernova.

  43. Speed of light by Dusabre · · Score: 1

    as soon as it errupted (so to speak). No, we see the flare a few minutes after it occurs thanks to the limit on the speed of light. And I think a flare is detectable and visible without a satellite. A big one is detectable by the sudden improvement or detoriation in radio quality.

  44. Larry Niven's Flare time ! by aaribaud · · Score: 1

    ... and there's no high building around me.

    Tough luck.

    1. Re:Larry Niven's Flare time ! by Wilk4 · · Score: 1

      glad someone else read that story... ;-)

  45. Whoa, whoa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earth Observatory!? These images are courtesy of the fine folks at NASA MODIS, NIFC and USF RSAC. I work with them and use their products on a daily basis. Props should go to them...Find the goods here: http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/fire_imagery.php

    1. Re:Whoa, whoa... by robsimmon · · Score: 1

      I'm the Earth Observatory site designer, and my boss is the Terra Project Scientist-i.e. he's in charge of the satellite that carries MODIS. We work closely with the MODIS rapid response team (http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/) who are doing the heavy lifting on data processing (and in turn they rely on the MODIS science team for algorithm development for such things as atmospheric corrections). We do captioning, image annotations, some visualizations, and publishing. The site is the result of a collaboration bewtween a lot of people at NASA. The forest service is more of a data user than data producer.

  46. Great flares of Aurora by djtripp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, I just drove out 50 miles east of Anchorage toward Portage Glacier and found a beautiful display of the Aurora Borealis. First it was a bit green, then later on, I had curtains of bright green, purple and red cascading around me. It was fantastic, and it was only 2:30am, the full blown impact hasn't even hit yet... tomorrow night should be nice.

    --
    "This is you left and that's your left. This is your right and that's your right. You're gonna die!
  47. Re:Good science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, if I had mod points. Mod this up.

  48. Camp Pendelton by kev0153 · · Score: 1

    I was just out at Camp Pendelton last week. I saw the smoke from the wild fire that is burning there now. It was still somewhat small. I asked one of the Marines how bad it was. He said "It's no big deal we should have it under control in a few days". Guess they didn't.

  49. View from inside by silverbax · · Score: 1

    A friend who lives in San Diego told me, "It's like living in Hell. The sky is black, and we have to wear masks to go outside."

  50. CME has hit by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

    Got this in the mail this morning. The CME has hit. HF radio communications are in da gutta!

    CME HAS HIT. Kp index threshold was
    reached on 2003 Oct 29 0839 UTC.

    --

    Gorkman

  51. More NASA websites by etresoft · · Score: 0
    Keep in mind that NASA is a huge, huge organization. Just when you think you've found the biggest website you've ever seen at NASA, you'll find another one at NASA just as big and on the same subject.

    If the earthobservatory sites are down, go to the spacecraft sites themselves.

    They are:

    There are other sites for the other spacecraft as well. These are the ones that I like to promote because I helped to write the command and control software for them.

    1. Re:More NASA websites by applemasker · · Score: 1
      SOHO's website - http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/ has some fantastic views, especially .mpeg loops through a couple of different sensors of the actual eruption, click on the link to the X17.2 Flare.

      How many Nasa.gov sites can be /.'d at once I wonder?

      --
      Bush Lies On the Record.
  52. Iridium Interference? by kiadane · · Score: 1

    Is anyone capturing Iridium performance data during this upcoming solar storm?

  53. How can anyone argue with that? by filmsmith · · Score: 1

    Especially considering that's TWO examples of the 430 Active Nuclear Power Plants in the world!

    Seriously, now, do try to be a little less alarmist in the future.

    1. Re:How can anyone argue with that? by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      And one of the two examples cited resulted in the release of no radiation.

    2. Re:How can anyone argue with that? by Smallpond · · Score: 1

      So, lets see. We have 65,000 killed or injuried divided by 430. Why yes, safe as houses!

      Of course, thats in Russia. No US company would ever let a dangerous plant get out of control. Just ask anyone in Bhopal.

  54. Interesting by chemindefer · · Score: 1

    I thought public smoking was banned in California.

  55. unleashed by mnemonic_ · · Score: 1

    http://www.informit.com/content/images/0672322803/ 0672322803.jpg

  56. Sunspot 486 was to blame.. by adeyadey · · Score: 1

    From space.com

    "The coronal mass ejection is one in a series sent out by two huge sunspots, the largest pair to grace the Sun at one time in recent memory. Sunspot 486 was responsible for this blast."

    I knew those 486 machines we have been binning would have their revenge one day..

    --
    "You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
  57. Aurora over Vancouver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    saw awsome best ever for Vancouver (49N) aurora last night, much the same as a previous poster's report from Alaska. started out as a bright green band from east to west and morphed into cascading curtains, orange glow, red flares, then flaring out in all direstion from the zenith.