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Gateway Forges Partnership With SuSE
Zardus writes "According to Forbes, Gateway has named SuSE a "strategic partner" and will be offering SuSE Linux on all of their servers. I always thought SuSE would be a nice name for a cow, but I guess I'll have to settle with it being the OS of a spotted server." The article notes: "SuSE has long sought a greater presence in the United States, where rival Red Hat has taken the lead in selling Linux server software to businesses."
Does this spell the end for Linux?
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This is good news for Linux in general, good to hear this. Wonder if the "Windows Tax" will still apply like it did with IBM, tho?
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A: A bloody long time.
I wish I could have a SCSI RAID array at home instead of these shitty IDE drives...
SueMe is now owned by Novell.
I for one have been waiting quite awhie to see a major vendor endorse another distro besides RedHat. Variety helps everyone, as does competition, and I don't see how a choice between linux distros hurts Linux or the vendor.
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Too bad that Gateway is just about the last vendor I would buy a server from. Maybe I'm just replying on some prejudices of mine, but does gateway make decent server hardware?
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has been dying for a long time now, their hayday was '96, '97, they needed a partner like this to help them going. This is definetly a good business move on the part of Gateway.
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Gateway sells servers?
One thing's for sure - I've never seen a Gateway in a server room at any place I've worked. Dell, sure- but Gateway?
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As Novell agreed to acquire Suse how will this affect that agreement? Doesn't this mean that Gateway will be offering Novell Suse Linux on their servers?
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For those of you that aren't familiar with the U.S. market, Gateway is practically dead in the computer space. Dell has taken over anything they once had. Gateway is now focusing on selling plasma televisions and home entertainment in a last bid to survive.
How the hell is this news for nerds?
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I thought gateway had been relegated to cheap PCs and consumer electronics. Had no idea they were even still in the server space, which begs the question. In this day and age - who is buying business servers from Gateway? If Gateway had ANY sense (and I've recommended this to Sun as well), they would sell personal home servers. Today's 'connected' home is full of a lot of devices that people want to share data and yet most people are heating their homes trying to use full PCs for the task. Gateway should at the very least look up the old Qube design and turn that into a home server design. Something small, relatively quiet, and light on power consumption that can stream video, audio, etc to all of the 'connected' devices that Gateway makes. But alas I'm sure they'll try to jump on the Linux bandwagon with everyone else, after-the-fact and sell servers to the few companies who would still buy a business server from Gateway (unless I'm just not seeing their servers when I visit companies or something).
I can't say I'm not shocked. I've always thought that if Linux was ever going to break into the mainstream, it's got to find its way onto OEM PCs produced by a major manufacturer who offers actual support for the operating system! This could be the one event that finally makes it happen.
Now the bad news, though. If this actually goes through, two things are going to happen: first, Gateway is going to be flooded with calls from people who bought a Gateway PC, got it home, turned it on...and saw something other than that familiar multicolored Windows logo. They're going to see some green (or perhaps spotted) lizard, instead, and think that either a) gateway ripped them off, or b) their computer's been attacked by hackers with a reptile fetish. Then, they're going to be marching right back to Gateway Country in their Jettas and their Escalades, demanding a refund. Second, once they find out there are no refunds, only cold bitter truth and a rain that stings like mellow-yellow on a paper cut, they're going to be stuck with Linux. And, I'm sad to say, Linux and Grandma don't mix.
Seriously, I think Linux is absolutely fantastic for geeks like us, who like to do things the hard way. You know, the kind of people who bother to download hundreds of megabytes of porn of the internet, instead of just paying a hooker like everybody else. However, John Q. Everyman just doesn't think that way, and if you don't think our way, you're likely to hate Linux. How well do you think grandma is going to react to the tech support guy telling her that all she needs to do to get her RAID 5 array up and running is to recompile her kernel? Look, I really don't think Grandma is going to want to go through all that kind of trouble, as she's got a delicious apple pie in the oven, and the ladies from the Daughters of the Confederacy are coming over for bridge later, and she just has to tell them about how her grandbaby, Julie Arhoolian, finally made it big in Australian pop music, even though she can't approve of the lyrics and the skin-tight leather bodice that lifts and separates, thank you very much.
See, it's stuff like that that makes Linux unique. It's kind of like the signs at the amusement park that say "You must be this tall to ride this ride." That's Linux. If you're not willing to go through the nightmarish hell that is a Linux install, and then recompile your kernel three times just so you can watch some DivX porno, then you should be out pickin' daisies and skippin' rocks with Jim B. Everywho instead of toiling in your parent's basement, desperately trying to get that winmodem to work under the newest Linux kernel.
The only way we're going to save Linux is to get it off Grandma's computer. There needs to be a big splash warning on the front page of every Linux distro site: "If you can't name the entire original cast of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine," then please click here. And no, we're not counting the 'New Dax' because that was really gay the way they offed her after Worf finally finds true love."
While Dell is making the big bucks Gateway has been laying off people. This is why they are interested in expanding into electronic products like Flatpanel displays(gateway displays are inexpensive but not hdtv) and into cameras and mp3 players. This company is in serious decline. Although their laptops get good props from Cnet and pcworld. Getting into servers only makes sense since they HAVE to diversify.
Wooohoooo! I'm happy to see Linux taking a stronger foothold. It's too bad that they aren't putting Linux on desktops though.
If Linux is preloaded on a computer, people might actually prefer it to Windows. Asians do.
Buy a Gateway server, and get your choice of:
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OR
2) Gateway Brand 1.2 megapixel digital camera
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"Gateway recommends Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP" right at the top of the screen.
Since the original came from Reuters anyway, why no link to Reuters instead of For-bees, eh?
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How the hell did you type all that in 6 minutes? Your words/min would be over 90. If you took 3 minutes to read the story, you'd have to being doing over 180.
Are among the most atrocius pieces of hardware I have ever encountered. Frequent hardware failures, performance issues that stagger the mind... I stay away from them at all costs. Oh incidentally, their enterprise support sucks as well. You would do better to get your hardware from the mom and pop store down the street, let alone Dell, HP/CPQ, or IBM.
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How does Gateway square it's no AMD policy with SuSe's 64-bit x86 Linux versions? Will Gateway once again be forced to supply a decent processor?
None of the things you mentioned are going to be problems for John Q. Everyman for the following reasons:
1. Gateway is installing SuSE Linux on servers, not desktops and laptops.
2. Unless Grandma runs her own big-iron Web server or Folding@Home project, she'll never see SuSE Linux on a Gateway PC (at least not yet).
3. Linux IS fantastic for geeks. And it's fantastic for John Q. Everyman as well. Distros like Mandrake 9.2 make it easy for Linux newbies to get into the market; a Linux newbie does not start with Gentoo!
4. You don't need to recompile the kernel to watch DivX movies. You just need a new version of mplayer.
All in all, sir, this is a very articulate, well-written, yet very trollish post.
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VA Linux wasn't able to make a profit selling linux servers... I don't know why Gateway would. I think of Gateway as a PC for a first-time buyer, inexpensive, but higher quality than an HP, Compaq, or eMachines.
I think there's more to this story than is currently being revealed.
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Man. What are they doing??? Gateway hasn't any server market, or products to speak of, and their other offerings are only consumer grade crap (albeit decently priced consumer grade crap).
This is the last company SuSE should have aligned themselves with if their intent was to win any corporate clients.
Everywhere on the Gateway pages there is still written:"Gateway recommends Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP", but maybe things change a bit. Unfortunately if you have a look at the category "Operating Systems" on their website you can still only choose between
XP Home Upgrade
XP Professional Upgrade
XP Home
and my favorite OS:
Microsoft Plus! For Windows XP
...and I wouldn't get too excited. We've had LOTS of "strategic partnerships" that never did squat. A couple of big ones with AOL and Transmeta quickly come to mind.
Very insightful
Although most of us are used to Gateway as a home-consumer seller, I think the idea here is to get some l00t out of the many businesses that are embracing Linux for it's stability. Gateway hasn't been doing too well recently. falling stock
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I don't know if they stopped selling them for a while or not, but... My first job (besides mowing lawns...) was as an assistant admin on a ~60 PC lan running 2 novell servers, the older one, a 486 was a Gateway. We had 400 days of uptime on that thing once, had to shut it down due to construction in the area...
It is a real shame that gateway started selling crap after that... I could see the work getting shoddier and shoddier with each batch of new machines that arrived for a while... Some of them had to have their cases modded to accept a network card (the back wall of the bock was not perpendicular to the motherboard), returning defective components became a very frequent occurance... A couple of P266s got every part replaced except for the case and power suply over a 2 month period...
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While our competitors talk around the issue of freedom by discussing the "possible benefits" of "OpenSource techniques" and "Linux-based software", the hardware vendors should be shouting "Free Software" from the rooftops.
With Free Software, the price restrictions drop, and computers become more useful. Hardware vendors don't have to worry if the OS will support their new video card etc. They can hack together their own support.
So anyone can compete, and the software vendors don't hold any controlling cards. I can see why software companies don't get Free Software. They'd have to change their entrenched business models. But hardware companies should be shouting "Users should expect Free Software", and funding FSF, etc.
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There has got to be something significant with the timing of all of this... Novell gets SuSE and Ximian, Gateway starts offering SuSE... I really would not be surprised if there's something going on at Compaq/HP/Dell to turn the tables and apply serious pressure on Microsoft. Forget about pricing, I have a feeling that those guys would rather see a much larger disconnect between the OS and components like the Browser, Media Player, and *ESPECIALLY* MSN IM.
Slightly offtopic perhaps, but is SuSE publically traded? Symbol and exchange?
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From what I've seen of the desktop market, this could be a bad thing for linux midshare. I have extensive experience in delivering desktop solutions, for a major consultant, so I know what I'm talking about here, and one thing desktop users want, is security. And not in the h4x0r sense -
they want to know what they're using, and that it's the same as everyone else's. The more different distributions there are, the more confusing it id for the end users, and the less cohesive linux's brand image becomes. We all know linux is better, but the end users don't care about that. We need to grow the dominant Linux brand (Red Hat), and encourage innovation at RH. Lots of small, competing linuxes is a waste of effort - divide and conquer anyone?
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And they were amongst the best I've ever worked with. Unfortunately, they stopped trading in the UK a while back, or I might have had more machines from them. Don't know if they've gone downhill in terms of qualtiy since then, but if they haven't this is surely a good partnership.
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I enjoyed your post even though you should have RTFA, but I was left with one burning question:
Are you shocked or not?
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I've known for weeks but had one of those crazy NDA's preventing from talking. I tried to get the Gateway guys to go to Debian. I even have ISO's ready to go! Oh well. Maybe next vendor! :-)
The truth is usually just an excuse for lack of imagination.
Gateway already offers RedHat.
Gateway has less than 1% of the US server market.
But there have been rumblings that Gateway wants to move up in the world. A partnership with IBM should be beneficial, and might explain the Linux movement.
Speaking of music, am I the only one who thought that SuSE was supposed to be pronounced like the famous march composer John Philip Sousa?
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How many more companies have to embrace Linux before people realise its here to stay?
:)
It seems there is an emerging force behind linux now, and pretty soon there will only be a couple of large companies left behind. Those players that Microsoft has all but wiped out know that if they are going to survive, they have to put their money behind Open Source, Any new proprietary Office/Server Space software doesnt stand a chance against Open Source, or The beast of redmond. So what Microsoft kills creates a new seed planted in the beds of Open Source. Redmond are rapidly digging their own grave and in it will be planted the seeds of an open and free world
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Gatewat sold many Athlon XPs in their systems. I have had to service my fair share of them.
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And if you go to their site they even sell the opteron.
http://accessories.gateway.com/AccessoryStore/P
Gateway said it was dropping AMD from all of its Governement and business lines. So they could a smaller number of suppliers and focus their efforts on trying to save the company. Keeping Intel was the logical choice. it makes sense not to support two chip architectures with two different types of chipsets and motherboards to deal with. There is cost in keeping enough of both chips in stock, keeping enough of both motherboards in stock, taking two types of support calls, producing two sets of documentation, and verifying and testing two types of parts.
As for the Opteron, who knows, maybe they will offer a new box.
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I'll be impressed when they announce they are shipping systems with Linux installed as the DESKTOP enviroment, sans any M$ products.
When I clicked on the gateway link, out of morbid curiosity, I got this at the very top of the first page I saw,
"Gateway recommends Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP"
Not that I would ever buy a pre-built computer or recomend that anyone buy one, but I'm not seeing too much headway being made in the final conflict for the desktop.
I suppose this is still better than nothing, perhaps it's a start.
Went searching for a place to buy older computer parts for an old server I've been working on. A friend pointed me to a 'repair' shop that supposedly would buy massive containers of computer parts, find what works, and sell it cheap. This place was no where near any commercial streets or buildings, behind a fence, in someones house. We walked up, and this weird lady with freaky eyes peered at me and was like "Who are you?" I said what my friend told me and they said "We only service Gateway computers here". I looked over and saw a laptop LCD sitting on a dirty plastic table that usually would have a umbrella standing in the center of it. Past that was a rusty old garage with computer parts stacked in it. They kept questioning who I was.. We decided to leave.
shows where your stuff goes when being repaired.
I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
Am waiting for a real partnership between Gateway & SuSE, not one of these bogus 'forged' partnerships.
Must be another Microsoft success story. That's what happens when you do M$'s monkey dance.
Don't expect this to stay server bound. Almost ALL problems with new PCs are due to software issues, the kind of issues you have when you try to close off the source so you can screw your competition by breaking their codes. Any maker's quality would improve by simply ditching the software that breaks it.
Welcome to the free world Gateway, I hope you are not too late to save yourself. You might do better by going further to make up for lost time.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
They will change from a holstein to a jersey. If the chameleon blood is particularly powerful, it may morph into an angus.
Slackware, what else when it must be secure, stable, and easy?
People don't need Microsoft and do better with honest specs, hardware and software.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
From 1990 to today, every Gateway owner I've known has had to call tech support at least once. Single user home PC purchases, large institutional buys, it hasn't mattered; something was always wrong enough to require a call to Gateway.
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According to the article.... "Gateway, which currently offers Microsoft Corp.'s (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people) server software and Red Hat Inc.'s (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people) version of Linux..." Mmm, Redhat seems to have been acquired by Microsoft... Microsoft is taking some pretty drastic measures to compete with Novell...
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if you really want to get people to buy these gateways with suse installed, appeal to most teenagers, who are obsessed with almost everything japanese, just say "Japan uses linux"
;P
voila, instant user base
Suse is most like "Suuuuy!", which is heard in commonly in Arkansas and will be Ark. native Britney Spears' nickname in 10 years...Oink oink.
My local Gateway Country store has signs all over the outside about their plasma TV's and nothing else. I didn't even know they still sold computers.
Gateway recommends Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP
Yes, it is a problem for Free Software fans because they would give up the opportunity to make a profit. Some of this money they might choose to put into developing more Free Software. It would, therefore, injure the community to restrict people to non-commercial distribution.
No, we would lose a valuable freedom we already have with Free Software. As I explained, commercial distribution is a valuable freedom we should not bargain away. As GNU/Linux distributions go, SuSE is the odd one out here--there are plenty of worthwhile distributions that ship nothing but Free Software. I can see why you might not value this freedom, you don't leverage it yourself. But consider that with other programs you use you are benefitting from others who do leverage this freedom: Red Hat and IBM's Linux kernal contributions, Red Hat's GNOME and KDE artwork, and Mozilla represent a little bit of the Free Software developed in part with commercial funding.
There are resellers who have just the opposite experience with SuSE's software.
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So is it pronounced like "Seuss" (as in "Cat in the Hat" by Dr. Seuss), or is it pronounced like "Suzy" with a soft "S" instead of a "Z"?
A few years ago, we bought some ALR servers just after Gateway bought out ALR and re-badged the cases. These machines were P2-300 with AMI Megaraid array controllers and redundant power supplies. They're still going string today, although quite underpowered by todays standards. After having bought many more Gateway desktops over the years, I have come to the conclusion that modern Gateway boxes are absolute junk nowdays, and their tech support is a bunch of consescending, bubblegum-smacking teenagers who can barely read the owners manuals and their stupid tech support scripted dialog charts. Utterly useless they are to solve any problems. I will not be buying anything from them ever again.
Moo-hahaha...
SOO'-zeh is most correct pronounciation... but you should pronounce it kinda like "Sousa" (As in John Philip Sousa's last name).
That's close enough.
considering I used to work for a company that was exclusively gateway and novell! Seriously, the Old-school businesses have only bought 1 upgrade from the likes of Dell...And I haven't been very impressed with trying to get support for out-of-warranty stuff [i.e. parts!] out of them. Gateway has definately got some room to manuver here...mostly, the MS/Intel/Dell triangle has destroyed the corperate PC marketplace! Fortunately there is some compteition left for selling the PC boxen...hence gateway will look for whatever edge they think they can get!
You just ran accross the "profesionals"...people like that are the ONLY places to get anything more than 3 years old from anymore...I have Dells still under [or just out of] that pricey 3 year waranty that Dell won't even get you parts for anymore! Welcome to the "real" computer world...not the nice shiny things!
I recently bought a new Gateway laptop and use it on a daily basis- perhaps 50+ hours a week. It's rock solid, and have had no problems with it. The price for it was a couple hundred lower than the big bulky Dell comparative laptop with same specs, and it shipped pretty much instantly on order. It's too bad the laptops aren't catching on more to help this company out of $$$ problems.
Scott
(Btw- the Mandrake 9.2 install on this Gateway model 400vtx went just fine. Only problem was getting the video to 1024x768- it's that intel cheap "Extreme" graphics thing.)
but I'll be suprised if they don't. I hope Gateway's interest in SuSE keeps Novell financially interested in keeping it alive on both the server and workstation sides.
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RedHat was always first on the support level because they did extensive testing and certified hardware as being functional in Linux. This takes a huge load off of vendors, such as Gateway, because they can check off their hardware against the list then guarantee their customers when they sell them a Linux box it will be compatible with Linux.
Not just vendor support, but customer support, too.
Remember that Red Hat absorbed (and still runs, last I looked) Cygnus: a company that existed to provide support for GNU software - for a fee.
Purchasers of hardware with Red Hat pre-installed can expect that, if they have complex trouble, they can always go to Red Hat and buy enough service to get the problem solved.
This gives them a nice comfy feeling about the product. And it also unloads the tough software support problems from the hardware vendor (even if he DIDN'T include a basic support contract with the install to unload the software-related powerup questions to Red Hat's phone banks.)
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nice.
Nobody is suggesting we judge a company by just one thing they do. No matter how well it works, non-free software is not a contribution to our community. Free software is a contribution to our community. So it's sad that they don't take the step to make their installer free. But I'm glad they help the development of other free software and distribute free software as well.
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I'd bet that an Opteron box would be in the works. Even if it's just a rebadged box desigend by someone else. I'd bet this way because they'll probably do anything to differentiate themselves from Dell - and score a few sales at the same time! Really, they don't have a whole lot to loose in the server market, what's their marketshare there? 0%?
The computer vendors are working on slim enough margins while selling Windows boxes. There is very little possibility a vendor has enough cash to pring the programmers on board to "hack together thrir own support."
The software has to be supported by the maker of the software.
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Count yourself lucky you could get that piece of crap to work at all, I couldn't.
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