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Solaris 8 & 9 Free for x86 Once Again
REBloomfield writes "The Register is reporting
that after nearly two years, Solaris x86 8 & 9 is once again Free (as in beer) to download for x86 users." You can download it if you desire. Gives me college flashbacks.
Wow that's cheaper than buying a Linux license from SCO! I'm switching to Solaris right away!
Now if only they would GPL the code to Solaris...
Worth reading the hardware compatibility list before installing
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Any info against what least common denominator the binaries are compiled for ? 386 , 486, pentium ?
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
Solaris 8/9 and CDE, what could be better...
Blowing that is.
... ... (wait for it, it took a while) ... Oh, yes it is, actually....
:-)
I know large companies have multiple objectives, sometimes competing, but does it seem to anyone else that Sun isn't *that* large... You can't port Java. You can port Java. Linux is dead. Our new desktop is Linux (oh, +Java). Solaris x86 is not free
I guess there are Sun-only places where this might be a big deal. I'm also guessing that they're in a minority, so what does Sun see in it all ? It must be a reasonably large cost to maintain another OS for a company, so there has to be an upside... Answers on a postcard, please
Simon.
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
SUN -- are you doing Solaris or are you doing Linux? Is the Java Desktop going to migrate from Linux to being Solaris-based? Why not do SUNBSD while you're at it?
At the end of the day, I'm sure I'm asking what most of their investors probably are too -- SUN, where are you going with all of this?
But then, all I code for is bash, anyway.
Then you're missing the wonderful world of Korn?
Solaris x86 8 & 9 is once again Free (as in beer) to download for x86 users.
Can we download the x86 version for free? ;)
And what if free comes with a price ?
But seriously, this is great, now I can try Solaris and play around with it without having to buy it. I'm just interested in learning more about it.
Sun makes enough from licensing Solaris to big SPARC machines (that it makes) and that Solaris is originally supposed to run on. It's kind of like baiting penguins with processed tuna fish... when the penguins already know that there's fresh fish a lot more readily accessible. Some of the penguins might play with it, but they won't eat it religiously.
That was an awesome analogy. I rule.
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I ran some benchmarks 2 years ago on the same x86 hardware, and you could make them perform about the same. I expected "slowlaris" to be, well, slow. But it kept pace. One thing I really miss on FreeBSD that Solaris has is the "iowait" state. You can see right away in top if the CPU or disk is the bottleneck...
Depends on what is it you are using it for.
We have Solaris here at GTech GVU on both Sparc and IA. But we use Sparc here for a lot of graphics because while the SPARC and the Intel architecture have roughly the same performance on most integer operations, SPARC is better at floating point operations (don't remember the numbers - 30% I think).
I guess the overall performance would really depend on other things like your intent.
There's not really any good metrics given the differences in platforms. IIRC though, Solaris runs much better on sparc, but x86 hardware is *MUCH* faster than any sparc you can get these days, and is still cheaper.
That said, sun hardware is generally rock solid, and getting solaris x86 working is a PITA.
re: performance between solaris x86 and other free alternatives:
The performance gains [which IIRC there aren't any for most circumstances] aren't worth the compatability losses. For most people, solaris x86 is just a good way to learn the differences between BSD/linux and Solaris for when you get to a job with larger SPARC machines.
Although Solaris is currently ahead of Linux for multi-processor/64 bit computing, it will not be when Linux 2.6 gets into propper production. Obviously SUN is trying to deploy Solaris as much as possible, and to make it as scaleable as possible, in an attempt to stay one ahead of Linux. It is destinned to fail here, there is just too much resource going into linux now. Solaris is destinned to become a legacy OS. A better stratergy for SUN would be to provide an upgrade path of Solaris to Linux, and to ride the wave, not fight it.
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To the Scott McNealy "Strategy of the Month" club!
Wonder how long this will last, before they have a change of heart.
I have a buddy who worked there in product management for their app server. They had like 30 middleware products that all had the same message, and the VP printed out the statements, passed them out, and asked the PMs to identify their products by the message. They couldn't do it, because it was all the same sh!t. Heh.
You must have:
Free disk space: 4.0 GBytes to Install Solaris 9 OS; 5.0 GBytes to Install Java Enterprise System Software
Recordable CD-ROM drive: To create CDs using the downloaded zipped files
Recordable CDs: Blank 750 recordable or rewriteable CDs, one needed for each CD image downloaded
CD labels: Required under license agreement
CD writing application: Use cdrecord for Solaris or Easy CD Creator for Windows is recommended
Download Manager: Sun Download Manager (Free version) runs on most platforms (see System Requirements for details)
Unzip application: WinZip recommended for Microsoft Windows (or use Sun Download Manager's automatic unzip feature)
you also need to "register" on sun's website. so it's as free as the NY times articles online. too bad there isn't a google cache of solaris 9
The only two relevant platforms on IA32 are Windows and Linux.
You are absolutely right. What you overlook is that IA32 is a platform which is already starting to become less and less relevant in the enterprise.
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Oh Parodies gotta love them... I smell a lawsuit
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So Sun is changing their mind about the cost of a product. Whats next, Sun offering an AMD processor with Linux?
These people are getting really wierd.
Argh! and i just paid 20$ for it on tuesday!
Be sure to read the hardware requirments!!
Well, I think it would be even better if Sun *paid* me to use Solaris. I mean free is greater, but this would definitely be greater.
I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
(Better college flashback)
I needed a Solaris on Intel for a project. Tried to fight it but to no avail..
So I called the reseller and wanted to order a licence. Won't go into detail on how long it took them to get a pricetag for it.. think weeks.
I checked out their website and saw I could download it for 20$ online, but i would still need a license.
So I waited almost 2 months for it. When it arrived, I got a big box filled up with that annoying shock absorbing stuff and a piece of paper which were the license, but no CDs or anything just a big empty box.
So I called Sun and got tossed around in their phone system and they managed to hang up on me 3 times. The fourth time I managed to get through to a hotline or something and I was told that Solaris for Intel was free. "oh" I said, "your reseller has just sold me a license for 500$"... oh well
"Now how do I get the software?", I was then told that I could order it or download it from their site for 20$. Damn I didn't want to do that online ordering since I had to use my own creditcard and didn't want to go though the paperwork to get a refund for 20$ from the company, but after waiting almost 2 months now I needed the software and bought a download ticket.
This was my first expirence with Sun and hopefully my last. I would have expected a better service and that they would at least act like they were interested in selling something. Other people in the company have after all bought their SunFire 12k boxes for other projects.
It is clear that Solaris on Intel has little or no focus at Sun which also shows when trying to install it. It is easier to find hardware to install FreeBSD or any other BSD on than Solaris. And installing any Linux dist. is a breeze compared to Solaris. I'd say you really gotta LOVE Solaris if you want to run other than the Sparc version on Sun hardware.
I wonder what Kevin Mitnick thinks about this little tidbit.
Solaris x86: Fast
Solaris Sparc: Slow
Linux x86: Fast
Linux Sparc: Slow
A casual examination shows that the problem is the dog-slow processor that you usually find Solaris on, not the OS itself.
I've run across several free Sparcs, including an Ultra 2 that a friend's company was throwing away. It looks as though I can download Solaris for it for free now too! I thought about running Linux on it, but I'm not sure what the point would be since it would be slower than the x86s I've got around.
Why, just the other day I was looking at my x86 debian box and thinking, "You know, it's so great how on my mac and on the school's sparc machines, I can never get binaries for anything, it's a BITCH AND A HALF to compile anything, and half the time I can't get stuff to work. Debian doesn't offer anything like that. I sure do wish there was some way I could get that Darwin/Solaris sort of experience on my PC!"
And now here this is! My prayers answered! Yahoo!
[ DISCLAIMER: The above is humor. In reality, my x86 box is running Gentoo, which means that I can never get binaries for anything, it's a bitch and a half to install anything, and half the time I can't get stuff to work. ]
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I dunno which is scarier, Taco posting twice or that he went to college......
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If the word on the street is to be believed, Solaris 10 x86 will include support for AMD64 (Opteron et. al.). This is rumored to be targeted at a Q1-Q2 '04 release date (i.e. reasonably soon). It is true that some of the linux vendors/distributions are working on amd64 ports, but Solaris has been running on 64 bit cpus for years and years, so there are far, FAR fewer little "oops, you mean an int isn't four bytes????" bugs laying around to get tripped up on (I speak mainly in reference to userland here, given that it will go through a commericial QA process from a large vendor I'm not that worried about issues with the kernel itself ;)).
;)
Not that your average web or file server will need to care about 64bit anything, but it'll be nice for those of us running big databases or scientific/engineering codes.
Overall, what's the difference in flavor between Linux and Solaris? Not a lot, really. Solaris does "feel" much more integrated (man pages that don't suck, for example.) Now, you can throw that straight out the window if you insist on things like GNU utilities and such, but it's hardly Sun's fault if you don't like the 1970s versions of tar or vi or want a C compiler for free.
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Putting aside the source code issue, one of SCO's complaints is that IBM has released "UNIX technology" for free (as in beer) and this has undercut SCO's profit margins from UNIX. This is in addition to SCO's complaints over copyright infringement and trade secrets being leaked (both of which are on shaky factual and legal grounds). SCO mentions their eroding market share and their lost profits multiple times in their submissions.
But now Sun is releasing the very same "UNIX technology" for free (as in beer). So what's the difference?
SCO might say that the difference is one of trade secrets. But end-users can't be held liable for trade secrets leaked by IBM.
SCO might say that the difference is one of improper contribution: Sun has a license to put "UNIX technology" into Solaris, and IBM has a license to put "UNIX technology" into AIX, but IBM doesn't have a license to put "UNIX technology" into Linux. But that's an argument that still needs to be decided in court (plus the facts and the law are heavily against SCO).
But in terms of eroding SCO's market share, Free Solaris/x86 is exactly the same as Free Linux. There is no difference. Both products are superior to UnixWare and both are available at no appreciable cost.
So I'd like to see how SCO reacts to this. If they don't complain then what they're realling saying is that they don't mind their core product (UnixWare) being undercut by a far superior UNIX (Solaris/x86). What they really care about is that the product killing their market is Linux. And that's suspicious. Why should they only care that it's Linux?
Solaris x86 is pretty limited wrt hardware support, especially when you're used to Linux, Windows or *BSD. Also the installer is very very nasty indeed. I just spent 2 days to get this to run on an AMD system for all sorts of reasons, and couldn't get it to run on a Dell Precision 410 at all.
Worse yet, I paid $20 for the download about 2 weeks ago 8-(((
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I thought korn was an _implementation_ of the POSIX standard for shells. As is bash.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Don't issue a killall command on Solaris. You won't like what it does. :)
What? Working on amd64 ports???I downloaded the amd64 beta of RHES (gingin) the same month Opterons went on sale! I've been working on a dual Opteron box with SLES 8 for about 3 months now: everything (including DB2, and even _mplayer_) is running full 64-bit.
You've been out of the loop! It's Sun that's dragging their feet. Even Microsoft will probably beat them to the punch. (You can get betas of 2003 if you ask the right person)
The amd64 tree has been in the kernel for ages, ever since AMD started giving away developer manuals. As for the 32-bit-isms, most of those were hammered out ever since it was ported to the Alpha 6 years ago (and later improvements by IBM to s390). Most of those 32-bit oops are in abandoned user apps written by Joe-college-student, and device drivers for consumer grade hardware.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
SUN shows a Linux Distro (Java Desktop) and sells it for $100 per seat (per year). China and England check it out and may buy in. Sun responds by GIVING AWAY Solaris 8 and 9 for free?
I may be bad with names, but I'll never forget your IP address
And how much for Sun to support you for Solaris (if you want to compare apples to apples).
From this.
Winter 2010: With Glowing Hearts
The Solaris kernel, in particular, is a technological marvel and is one of the leading development platforms for new ideas in OS and Kernel development.
The Solaris system, as well, is very well thought out.
So if by chance you wind up with an UltraSparc or x86 box setup with Solaris, and with all your hardware functional, then you have a superb system.
However, getting to that stage without resorting to disk imaging is hard. Solaris has probably one of the worst installation routines - its even less stable (and functionally useful) than Microsoft's windows setup, which already speaks volumes. The design is horrible - from the key binding, to the (or lack thereof of) menu option, to the very unflexible installation, to the stalls and crashes along the way. Mind you, even if you did successfully manage to "install" it, it certainly will require a lot of your attention to make all your hardware work - certainly not turnkey.
As a person who bought four x86 Solaris 9 licenses, along with CDs, DVDs (StarOffice too!!), I was sort of disappointed in my fruitless methods of installing SOlaris successfully. Hardware support is definitely a little scanty (but I can't blame that on Sun since they tailor their OS to UltraSparcs which they produce, not to PCs). Installing Solaris on a spare Ppro box is definitely one of my Christmas holidays projects.
Sun, as a global company, may transfer your personal information to countries which may not provide an adequate level of protection. Sun, however, is committed to providing a suitable & consistent level of protection for your personal information regardless of the country in which it resides.
Is it just me, or does that statement say Sun will try to protect your privacy, but preventing it from entering a country without legal protection isn't one of the steps they'll take. And "committed to providing protection" isn't the same as "legally responsibile" either. I know it's intended as a disclaimer, but it also sure is one big loophole as well to get around any privacy claims.
I dunno... I have several busy mod_perl based websites running on an Ultra 1 (167 MHz UltraSPARC in 32-bit mode). Even under heavy loads of thousands of dynamic requests a minute and using the same machine as an NFS server for my small LAN, it keeps chugging away without slowing down. Granted I have spent some time tweaking and tuning, have 768 MB of RAM, and used Sun's compilers to build the Apache + mod_perl environment. But still... it's a really old box that seems to have plenty of pep.
First of all, why was the parent modded up funny? Maybe I'm just humor impaired, but I didn't get the joke.
Second, the reason you think Solaris on sparc is slow is that you've never used a new powerful sun machine. You probably have experience on Ultra5's or something. I've done some work on these and they are by no means slow. Horribly expensive, but not slow. Also note, that these are included in Sun's "entry-level server" section.
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Check Solaris Freeware, they have GNU binaries for Solaris SPARC/Intel 8 and 9.
Apache, wget, gcc, nmap, openssh, samba, tcpdump, you name it:
Solaris Freeware
You can also install Gnome 2.0 under Solaris!
GNOME 2.0 Desktop for the Solaris Operating Environment
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Is there any reason to use Solaris on z86 other than to become familiar with it so that you can more effectively admin a Sparc machine?
Seriously. Linux and *BSD seem to have a much wider hardware compatibility base. Development for them seems to be going at a much more rapid pace. If you're not tied to a Sparc machine, is there any real reason to use Solaris?
LK
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It's got to do with user experience. Linux is gearing to having a fast and responsive user experience, but Solaris is geared to getting more work done.
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