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GNOME Foundation Board Election Results
Anonymous BillyGoat writes "The results of the 2003 GNOME Foundation Elections have been announced. These are preliminary results, and will stand unless someone decides to challenge them. A notable exclusion from this year's list is Miguel De Icaza, whose candidacy application was rejected as it missed the deadline. In related news, barely a few weeks after the news of the death of GNOME hacker Chema Celorio in a sky diving accident, the GNOME community was shocked by the news of the sudden death of Evolution hacker Ettore Perazzoli."
...was a great guy. Too sad to see him leave. :(
Anyone's know how he actually died?
How can Miguel be excluded? Didn't he start the whole thing? That's be like excluding Linus from a Linux Foundation. Just makes the Gnome Foundation seem like a joke if they leave the founding member out.
Don't trust these results. They used Diebold machines.
Who gets to vote for the Gnome Board?
You mean geeks outside of the US actually.. you know.. do stuff? Sky Diving? I mean, how many parachutes do you need to keep our fat-asses from splattering on the ground? Wow. Next thing you know, someone's going to say RMS got married.. To a Real Woman (and not a Real Doll (tm))! /flame
If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
I stopped caring about Gnome at about the time they started deciding Metacity is good and should be the default. When Metacity's maker puts out an egotistical manifesto that says all the features in a window manager that don't match up exactly to his way of working are just immature fluff to him, then I'm not going to want to use the thing he makes based on that philosophy. (Apparently, for example, he thinks that outline-dragged windows are frivolous fluff, while solid-dragged windows are the only useful way to do things productively, because of course all Linux users want to waste CPU cycles on the UI. And he uses the oft-repeated dodge that since computers are faster nowadays, you don't have to save CPU cycles. Bullshit. It's *my* computer, and those are *my* CPU cycles. If I'd rather use them on background processes like mathematical calculations rendering 3-D povray animations, then that's *my* business. And that doesn't change just because we measure speed by the gigahertz instead of the megahertz today. If the computer is ten times faster, I want that speed applied to the areas *I* want it applied. If I didn't care about stuff like that, I'd be using Windows.)
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
In related news, barely a few weeks after the news of the death of GNOME hacker Chema Celorio in a sky diving accident, the GNOME community was shocked by the news of the sudden death of Evolution hacker Ettore Perazzoli
SCO is taking us out... one by one...
I must post anon to protect myself from their "enforcers"
You're one of those pathetic under achievers that always piss and moan until someone make an exception for you, aren't you?
Why shouldn't Miguel be held accountable by his own rules?
If he's too busy to submit the application on time, how much Gnome work (outside of Novell) do you think he'll have time for.
Why don't you give us a break. Shut up and get to the back of the line!
Aren't Gnomes and Trolls Related?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Two election based articles...One day? I think Slashdot is now trying to sway the vote.
Vote No to proposal #4839562358096-2385178934569384560345934(a(b)(d)) titled "More Electoral Based Articles on Slashdot"
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If I remember right Ettore Perazzoli was also largly responcible for the GNOME Virtual File System code (transparently opening tarballs as folders, FTP etc) which in my opinion was the only good thing to come out of the Nautilus project.
Anyone seen Antitrust?
Novell had 5 people elected, but the charter doesn't all that many from 1 company, so 4 will sit on the board.
Sun & Red Hat had 2 each.
That means of the 11 sitting members, a super-majority (2/3) is in the hands of 3 big companies.
Hmmm... the big boys are starting to pay attention. I hope this is a good thing.
-Charles Hill
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
If this had been another anti-Jewish anti-Bush anti-America blame-the-victim diatribe, it would have been modded +5 Interesting. Slashdot sucks.
It was an accident at a gay furry orgy.
An example of this is the question of who was the first American President. Most people will say Washington, this is correct if you regard the Constitution as the start of the United States.
However if you go back to the Articles of Confederation, you will see the "first" president was a man named Matthew Henson.
As shown a simple commonsense histortical "fact" can be thrown into contention by simplying changing the interpretation of the reader/author/whatever.
Yeah, its off topic, but I have Karma to spare.
A notable exclusion from this year's list is Miguel De Icaza, whose candidacy application was rejected as it missed the deadline.
Miguel's pro-linux-above-all-else past and not being involved with the GNOME board is fine. GNOME is now a multi-platform system and a Linux bigot on the board won't help move GNOME forward, so his not being there is just fine.
Parent post is a truly funny post. Passed the wet monitor test. (ie. was drinking coffee while reading post - laughed and sprayed coffee on monitor.)
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Here is Ettore's blog, updated to 29 November.
On a side note, it's moving to browse through the weblog of someone who has died recently. I never knew Ettore, although I regularly use and love Evolution, but from his entries I see he was a very nice person while also being a talented hacker.
Hack your mind out of its sandbox.
11 seats on the board and only 12 people were to be voted for? IMHO simply adding one seat to the board would have been better than playing "Gnome Board Survivor" to see who gets voted off the island.. Poor Sri Ramkrishna.
The other weird thing is it sounds like Miguel was disqualified on a technicality? Considering he's the one name that most people probably associate with Gnome, having him miss being on the board because of something like this just seems wrong.
- Steve
I don't think Alan Funt reads this board very often, so your remarks will probably fall on deaf ears. But thanks for sharing anyway!
(-1, Raw and Uncut is the only way to read)
"Everything is opinion" - sounds like classic moral relativism to me. I don't call something I don't agree with propaganda, I already SAID I AGREE with some of their points. However, they don't make any effort to understand or present the position of the other side. Whenever *I* comment on the Middle East, I try to understand an issue from the perspective of both sides. I may decide one side is in the right or in the wrong on certain issues, but if you spew one-sided rhetoric for either end, you aren't presenting meaningful analysis, you are presenting propaganda.
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Also very few people attempt to show all the sides of any issue so thats a cannard.
Analysis can be one-sided rhetoric depending on the analyist.
you miss-spelled it, it is now Gnovell...
For you I'd recommend 2.6. I've had the load meter pegged at 100% and that wasn't reflected in the responsiveness of the GUI.
My post isn't really "Offtopic" since the story links to his home page and when you click on it, you see this information quite prominently. Since when is commenting on the content of story links "Offtopic"?
Brilliant. Following a link to a story here about the supposed SCO DDoS attack, I saw another link on that page explaining stock hedging. So I guess discussing stock hedging would have been appropriate under the Slashdot story, huh? Brilliant.
I'm only allowed to discuss Miguel's rejection from the Board of the GNOME Foundation on technical grounds?
You're allowed to do whatever you want; no one's going to haul you away in irons for what you posted. If it's offtopic, though, someone might mod you offtopic.
Do your worst to mod-slam me, Miguel's politics are just as on-topic as ESR's politics in every ESR story, or RMS's politics in every RMS story.
Oh, whine whine whine. If there's some story about ESR that's unrelated to his politics, and someone brings up his politics, then yeah, that's offtopic.
If somebody is supposed to represent the Open Source community on various boards and formal positions, we have the right to discuss their politics and positions on issues other than those directly software-related.
Except he won't be, at least in terms of the GNOME Foundation, because he didn't stand for the election (as was, uh, described above in the article). Perhaps you didn't read the article, and thus didn't know what the topic *was*?
GNOME got a new logo 2 years ago...
Not about time to change?
I clicked on YOUR home page and you appear to either own or work for a company that sells a closed source fish screensaver for windows. How exactly is that supposed to make you a member of the "open source" community? In my opinion, you're support for closed source software makes you ineligible to have an opinion on anything related to this topic (GNOME and open source sofware). I don't mind that you support a closed source company, but I think you don't really have any right to have an opinion on open source software because of that.
Dude, the moderators are sucking today. WTF, redundant!?!?!? How can it be redundant if it is the FRICKING FIRST POST???????? Troll yes, redundant no.
Stop this crap. You can sell software and still be a part of the open source community.
Maybe not the GNU(all proprietary software is morally wrong) community. But GNU is _not_ the open source community, thank God.
Stop the blather.
If we are gonna reference history...lets reference it right.
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Its John Hanson, not Matthew Henson.
Checkout:
http://www.marshallhall.org/h
Secondly, this says he was the 3rd Pres of the U.S In Congress Assembled:
http://virtualology.com/uspresidents/
You forgot to mention the views of an Israeli settler whose child was murdered by an Islamic hate-monger with some explosives.
Er... his webpage offers no details, but gnomedesktop.org offers some.
Sad to die in that way really.
Raise your kids in a fucking war zone and this wouldnt happen. Also the settlers carrying and use of weapons make them a legitmate target.
I agree. Jeff Waugh is just weird, very agressive all the time, very authorative. I just don't like his attitude when replying to people.
As this page shows the first president of the US can be considered one of three people: Washington, Hanson or Samuel Huntington for the reasons listed on the page. This furthers validates my main point of history being based on interpretation and viewpoint.
YOU FUCKING FAIL IT
There's not enough evidence to suggest that Open Source hackers are being systematically murdered; however, there most certainly *IS* enough to suggest that someone out there doesn't want scientists working on genetic therapies, vaccines, or weapons.
This is not a conspiracy, but the story has nonetheless been tainted by those kooks anyway. I'm posting anonymously because I work in this field at my uni and don't want any undue attention.
A recent spate of dead microbiologists who worked for research firms with links to U.S. weapons development is raising some eyebrows.
Exclusive to American Free Press
By Christopher Bollyn
A string of microbiologists appears to have died under strange circumstances since the anthrax scare surfaced last fall. From Nov. 12 through Feb. 11, seven world-class microbiologists in different parts of the world were re ported to have died of ?unnatural? causes, while the cause of the seventh?s death is questionable, according to Michael Davidson of From The Wilderness, an Internet news journal.
The seven microbiologists that Davidson reports to have died under strange circumstances are: Benito Que, Don C. Wiley, Vladimir Pasechnik, Robert Schwartz, Set Van, dean of the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical Faculty.
Benito Que was a cell biologist at the University of Miami Medical School, involved in oncology research in the hematology department, which relies heavily on DNA sequencing studies.
Que worked for medical research facilities that received grants from Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI), which is headquartered in Chevy Chase, Md. Que was found comatose in the street near the laboratory where he worked on Nov. 12 and died on Dec. 6.
HHMI funds a tremendous number of research programs at schools, hospitals and research facilities, and allegedly conducts ?black ops? biomedical research for intelligence organizations, including the CIA, according to Davidson.
Three of the five American scientists who have died, Wiley, Schwartz, and Que, worked for medical research facilities that received grants from HHMI.
Don C. Wiley worked with HHMI at Harvard University and was one of the most prominent microbiologists in the world. He had won many of the field?s most prestigious awards, including the 1995 Albert Lasker Basic Medical Research Award for work on anti-viral vaccines. Wiley was also heavily involved in research on DNA sequencing.
Wiley, 57, vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. Wiley?s body was found on Dec. 20, snagged on a tree along the Mississippi River in Vidalia, La., 300 miles south of Memphis. Until his body was found, Wiley?s death was handled as a missing person case, and police did no forensic examinations.
Vladimir Pasechnik, the top scientist from the Soviet Union?s bio-weapons program who had defected to Britain in 1989 was found dead in Wiltshire, England, not far from his home, on Nov. 23. No reports of Pasechnik?s death appeared in Britain for more than a month, until Dec. 29, when his obituary, which did not include a date of death, appeared in The London Telegraph.
Pasechnik?s death was announced in the United States by Dr. Christopher Davis of Virginia, who stated that the cause of death was a stroke. Davis was the member of British intelligence who de-briefed Dr. Pasechnik at the time of his defection. Davis reportedly declined to say which branch of British intelligence he served in.
Robert M. Schwartz was a founding member of the Virginia Biotechnology Association, and the executive director of Research and Development at Virginia?s Center for Innovative Technology. He was an expert in biophysics and DNA sequencing.
Schwartz, 57, was found murdered in his rural home in Loudoun County, Va. on Dec. 10. Loudoun County sheriff?s officials said Schwartz was stabbed on Dec. 8 with a sword, and had an ?X? cut into the back of his neck. His daughter and her friends, who were
> This is proof that moderation is broken
Quick, he's on to us. Get this off the front page
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So is Microsoft part of the open source community? What about SCO?
" I think the more important news here is the death of two GNOME developers. I can't believe you took this oppurtunity to bitch about your dissatisfaction with software that they wrote and freely give away."
You need to save up the sentimental bullshit and spend it where appropriate. I assume Celorio and Perazzoli were commited to their work and had invested a considerable amount of their emotional/philosphical selves into Gnome. If so, they probably would rather have you and everyone else focus on the future of their work.
Offer their families and friends comfort. Let them know you appreciate what these two did. But show some respect and keep focusing on the work these guys cared about. You are not showing respect by focusing on their deaths instead of their lives. Quite the opposite.
-- "It was as if the paint factories had decided to deal direct with the art galleries." - Thursday Next
Dear Reuters,
As of late many Linux-communists have complained of our efforts here at SCO (the owner of the UNIX operating system) to bring fairness and equality to the management of our Intellectual Property[**]. The Linux collective launched a denial of service attack on our web site earlier this week, and in doing so forced us into reciprocating with a return denial of service attack of our own. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but we must take measures to protect our Intellectual Property[**] - it is not a choice we have made, but a course of action that we have been forced into. Our enforcers, Vinny and Spike, will continue to administer these denial of service attacks against Linux-terrorists in a freedom fighting effort for the good of all Intellectual Property ? our Intellectual Property[**] as well as the intellectual property of others[***].
For a totally unbiased explanation of why our policy of DOS reciprocity is pro-America and good for everybody, please refer to the completely independent report by the Yankee Group's Laura Didio, who has not connection to SCO whatsoever and doesn't know anybody here and has never worked with any of us and is totally unbiased. Please quote her repeatedly as she is totally unbiased and doesn't even know us.
Love,
Darl McBride
[*] This letter may be reprinted until January 1, 2004, for the nominal price of $699 provided that you can actually track down a SCO sales person that will actually sell you a license. After January 1, 2004, the price will return to the regular $1399, except that it actually won't.
[**] I.e., all software composed of a sequence of zeros and/or ones.
[***] I.e., all software not composed of a sequence and/or zeros or ones.
Oh, I see, you can only do one thing at a time. You're either with us or against us, then. You can't work on closed source software to make money and still contribute to and be part of open source software projects? Thanks for letting us know, this has brought clarity to my day.
This is one way to get GWB's admin involved with Linux.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
He is a typical corporate whore and he calls people `idiots` many times.
Will someone explain to me why Gnome developers are referred to as hackers? Seriously, I'm not trolling. It just seems a little hubristic.
That sounds like something Fox News might say justifying their self-appellation as "Fair and Balanced". Nobody represents ALL points of view, but you'd have to be a moron to think that Fox News is "Fair and Balanced" when they present right wing propaganda as news and regularly have right wing bash-fests onto which they invite one meek, idiotic liberal to serve as a whipping boy.
For parallel's sake, you might want to consider the Palestinian refugee and a child whose parents were killed in a bus bombing in Jerusalem. Does that mean that "everything is relative"? I don't know, that phrase is fairly devoid of meaning to me. Many statements are laden with opinion, and some are statements of fact, subject only to disagreement about definition, as the folks discussing above who the first president of the United States is (which depends on which entity you consider to define the "United States").
Q: What would you call a skydiving club for Linux geeks?
A: I don't know about you, but I'd call it skeet.
As long as KDE relies on the Qt libraries, it's in a vulnerable situation to the Trolltech buyout, or not even buyout, just buy-in, where nobody notices but new people are the bosses at Trolltech. And lo and behold foking of the GPL Qt wouldn't happen til it's too late. It's very easy to run any project into the ground, on purpose, or at least just make it annoying enough so that people silently quit it. I'm not so sure that qt is giving the best performance possible.. right now gnome seems spiffier and faster, though gnome has been going downhill for a while. So before killing KDE, Gnome must be killed off, so that people don't have another option to flock to. Patience, one at a time, methodical erasure. Or maybe I'm just paranoid. But heck, I love using free software, cuz it's free, plus, as far as an end user, it's nice to know the source code is there, and I can edit it if I want to.
Some people are getting MySQL errors so here's a copy I managed to snag:
According to Nat's blog and numerous other blogs, Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.
"The always enthusiastic and charming Chema Celorio died yesterday skydiving in Mexico.
For those of you not in Ximian who don't know, Chema started and ran our Mexico City office, led the Ximian Setup Tools team a few years ago, was in charge of the team that managed our contract with HP, led the Ximian Desktop for a while, was one of the creators of GNOME Love, and was recently our lead sales engineer for Europe.
Chema was one of the most loving, passionate people I have known. Being around Chema always made you want to do more and try harder. He was always questioning himself, trying to grow, taking on new challenges and never backing down.
When I went to visit our office in Mexico I stayed at Chema's house and gripped the door handle on his car till my nuckles turned white when he drove us to work. Whenever he wasn't on sales trips or skydiving he seemed to be in my office asking good hard questions and always pushing for us to do more.
Chema was easy to love, and he will be easy to miss. "
Descanse En Paz
*Condense fact from the vapor of nuance*
The original post was not offtopic, and the use of the moderation system to suppress opinions you disagree is abuse of the system and is not in the spirit of the forum.
As for the rest of your post, you are the one whining repeatedly, not me. I can only conclude that you are trolling and have no real point to make.
I think you are referring to the art.gnome.org problems. The entire community has heard of it. I belive that there is not one person remaining that Jeff hasn't had problems with. Many of us simply ignore him.
Bill Gates is killing off all the hackers of the Linux desktop competitor just like in the movie Antitrust!
Could you be any more obvious? Give it up, you miserable troll.
You believe that Miguel's position on political issues is not relevant to putting him forward as a representative of the Open Source community. I can't help that this makes you an idiot, that's your problem, not mine.
No, I believe that Miguel's position on political issues is not relevant to either the outcome of the GNOME Foundation elections in which he was not a candidate, his not being a candidate because of filing after the deadline, or the death of a GNOME contributor.
Don't be discouraged, though. I'm honestly serious: keep trying. Reading comprehension only improves with practice.
Way, way, way out of line.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Why did Ettore Perazzoli Pass Away Exactly? Every place I look, every is sad of his death, but nowhere can I find out how and why he died. Does anyone know?
Actually that gnomedesktop.org link provides no details either.
Where do you get "some" from?
He may not be an official member of the GNOME Foundation Board, but that hardly means that he's no longer a leader of the GNOME project itself. Let's keep some perspective here. I seriously doubt if anyone is saying, "he didn't meet the election deadline, we'd better shut off his CVS access." Or even, "we'd better stop listening to what he has to say."
It's even possible that not being on the Foundation could allow Miguel to spend more time actually working on GNOME.
The first passage actually says: "The Electronic Intifada (EI), found at electronicIntifada.net, publishes news, commentary, analysis, and reference materials about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict from a Palestinian perspective. EI is the leading Palestinian portal for information about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its depiction in the media."
Also, how on earth can you say that BBC is "the most shockingly liberal pro-Palestinian Western media outlet" you know of? Surely, if you read/watch/listen to any other source than the really big ones, you'd know that the BBC isn't anywhere near your description. If you disagree, please reference some material to make your claim just a little bit more viable.
Please notice that I'm not advocating anything or any side in the above text, just observing facts. Stay on topic (even though we really are quite off topic), and answer me in a no-nonsense way. I just might have misunderstood your text. Sorry, if that is the case.
Died suddenly/unexpectedly is usually a journalistic euphemism for suicide.
Frankly I find the comments on this board making fun of these deaths to be indicative of pretty worthless people. Congratulations, you've reached a new low. I am in awe.
With all the standard taunts about open source people being fat, unsexy and smelly, the real truth turns out to be that some of them live life to the edge and conversely the losers who visit this site to make these comments are the truly worthless ones wasting oxygen.
I've flown, I've rafted, I've cliff-jumped into white water and frankly I'm sick enough of this site not to bother coming back again.
GNOME's logo is a foot in the shape of a G.
And slashdot's icon for GNOME is... a foot in the shape of a G.
Maybe the old rendition of the logo just happens to work better as a logo icony thing on a white background??
Meanwhile, if you've noticed, the SCO icon is still the caldera logo, the Microsoft icon is still ex-CEO Gates, and the American Flag used for YRO is missing the 13th stripe.
IT DOESNT MATTER. It's an ICON.
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
And keep on recounting until Al Gore wins.
I can't believe you'd let these guys steal the election like that. Clearly Al should have won, no matter what the vote totals. He invented the Internet, after all.
Go and talk with "Aldug", "Star", "Dr. Frickle", "Dobey", "Chrisime" and others on gimpnet. Some of them probably hand over some informative chatlogs to you. I have read a bunch of them.
Not really, Qt has made clear that if they go bankrupt or become aquired, they'll release Qt on a BSDish license.
Troll!!!!! Ya right. Those who call us Anti-Jeff people are the Trolls themselves. We just speak out mind and most of use did in the elections. Since there was a lack of runners this year we have to put up with Jeff's fucknut anticks. Down with the Aussie!!!
pathetic little shit.
Well, comparing to the website of the DECEASED it sure does seem to be more wordy.
Oh, come now. You're post is obviously 30% troll, 30% insightful, and the last 10% offtopic.
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This is not 'funny' for fuck's sake. Somebody died. Think about it. Fucking moderators.
I find it interesting in general to track -- in retrospect -- major events in blogs and email. For example, my own email archives have a conversation between me and another person, discussing how we're going to go skydiving the next day.
The next email is dated about three weeks later, "here's some other event we missed while I was in the hospital."
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
No. The GNU people insist on the difference between "not gratis" and "proprietary". See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html