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China Launches Linux-Based Smartphone
An anonymous reader writes "This news item at LinuxDevices provides photos and specs of a new Linux-based smartphone being launched today in China. The device, called the E2800, sells for about $600, and targets business users, offering PDA functions, touch-screen, handwriting recognition, a camera, and memory expansion to 512MB through an SD memory card, the article says. The device's manufacturer is a Shanghai company named E28. The E2800 is a 900/1800MHz, GSM/GPRS class 10 device based on dual ARM9 processors, running embedded Linux with a 2.4-series kernel. Other recent Linux-based mobile phone announcements have been Japan's NTT DoCoMo's 3G phones and Motorola's A760."
Do they make the source code available?
But the person on the other end always sounds like they're speaking Chinese.
Retail for $600 in China!! From the country that can't afford to purchase software and piracy so rampant you can buy any piece of software on the streets for $5. Yes, I'm sure this will do quite well.
This reminds me about the article on uber-gadgets.
If only this were available stateside
-drool-
Hey! come on! try dividing it by anything!
Some technology in the phone that isn't talked about
It will automatically phone police when if you text "Falun Gong". Also the words democracy, voting and human rights will also cause the phone to dial the appropriate authorities to protect the poor citizen from potential harm. It also helps identify and track citizens that need to be re-educated.
Isn't technology great? **remove tongue from cheek**
AngryPeopleRule
"Science is about ego as much as it is about discovery and truth " - I said it, so sue me.
Link to E2800
I can see the ad campaign now...
Like that stupid Cheerios ad except instead of some middle-aged sad sack saying "I lowered my cholesterol," it would be a bunch of hopeless geeks running around muttering "cat /proc/cpuinfo".
I know I would :)
China still has some problems, but it seems they are on the path of improvement. Compare that to the US where I constantly feel we are on a declining path to destruction...
Sorry guys, but does anyone realize that the far world is leveraging west influences to bring prosperity to their country? Its not about freedom but economics. Support your local coffee shop
Now Chinese business men will be able to peruse the 5 websites their government allows them to view -- on the move! Plus they'll be able to speak with their business partners and family about ideas that are inoffensive to the government!
Hm... I don't see that /. loves China... all I see is that you don't seem to understand the difference between talking about the exports of a country, talking about the population of a country, and talking about the gov't of a country. This is like saying that no one should love America because we make SUVs, and have Bush for a dictator.
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Stuff that Matters? No.
As cool as it is, these stories lost relevance when IBM put Linux on a wristwatch.
Whatever it is I'm complaining about, I'm sure the Republicans did it. This is
How the fuck was that insightful?
;-)
Ok mods how about this.
I imagine in the future we will be using...um...future things that are more futuristic than now. I forsee people using things that are futuristic. !!! I can tell the future I can.
First off, even if you put an Athlon 3200+ in a phone it's still a phone. You can't type at it and unless it has 99% voice recognition [for entering text] it's useless. Well actually more than that. Have you ever tried to read C source out loud?
I actually forsee a small market for these devices. I mean sure PDAs are trendy but they're not as popular as laptops or desktops. At my college way more people have laptops because while they're a bit bulkier they do have keyboards, guts and large monitors [my 14.1" laptop monitor is HUGE compared to a 2.9" or whatever the avg. PDA has] that make using the computer less than painful.
What will catch on are lighter laptops. If Compaq made my laptop in a "less than 7lbs" model I would be very very happy. However, I'm willing to carry it around [well it's not that heavy anyways] considering I get a nearly 100% sized keyboard, 14.1" screen, 768MB of ram, 60GB of disk, an Athlon-M 2400+ [barton!], 2USB, 1394, Ethernet, serial, parallel, PS/2, svideo, VGA ports, a floppy drive and a DVD-CDRW drive....
That's a bit more than in the avg 600$ PocketPC device...
Tom
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So what do you suggest - not carry any technology news that concerns China? Mentioning their abysmal human rights record every time they are mentioned?
/. mentions Sony? Oh, and for all of the above we can certainly bring up the dismal record on fair trade with the third world.
In all fairness we should be doing the same for everyone else as well: mention the thousands of suspected Al Qaeda people imprisoned in the US without a trial or defense attorneys whenever there is a story on Intel or Microsoft; mention the lurking racism and attacks on immigrants throughout much of europe whenever Nokia or an european Linux distro is mentioned; bring up Japans xenophobia and unresolved wartime issues whenever
As for Steve Jobs enriching himself - well, he is welcome to it. That is what the relevant licenses allow, after all. If you have code that "Steve Jobs used to enrich himself" and you are not happy about it, then you should perhaps have released it under a different license?
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
What about those native americans? Or the intolerance we hear on hispanic americans? See I can generalize too.
Do they make the source code available?
What if they don't? And more importantly, who's gonna make them?
They're their own country. They make their own laws.
GPL is based on copyright law, which is roughly the same for all signatories of the Berne Convention (of which China is one). So in principle it's enforcable against Chinese businesses or government operations in Chinese courts.
What that means is authors of the base code (or their assigns) might get Chinese courts to issue an injunction to block the distribution of the code or the selling of boxes containing it, if the source isn't available or is wrong. And maybe the government would enforce the injunction, to avoid reciprocal hassles protecting Chinese authors in international markets.
But the real teeth would be obtaining and enforcing injunctions against selling the product in other countries, for western hard currency, if the source isn't forthcoming.
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They have very substantial requirements.
Its gotta fit in the palm of your hand, not a laptop.
Its gotta work real time - when it rings and you answer it, you don't wait for processes to load or having it boot.
The thing's gotta run all day at least of nonstop run on a set of batteries!
I don't know just how they pulled this off... as I have always custom programmed my realtime embedded stuff - usually in 68000 assembler. Sometimes Atmel AVR, but damn near always in assembler. Using custom design, I can design for very low power consumption, but doing so really makes way for a lot of upfront investment in design time.
Running a 2.4 kernel. In your hand. All day. On internal batteries.... I am definitely impressed.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
Ya know, people are going to become REALLY confused when phone processor speeds reach 900 and 1800 mhz.
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
Africus aut Europaeus?
rrrrring
- E2800 tech support. How can I help you ?
- Your company sucks. This stupid phone sucks. I cannot get a dialtone while I'm in the parking area of my building. It says "no signal". And it's just 3 levels underground.
- Oh. I see. (with the best BOFHish voice). I'll be more than pleased to boost the signal level specially for you, in order to promptly solve this problem that's so annoying you. What's your username ? >clicket< >click<
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I forsee that in the future, we will be living in futuristic homes (deep, underground shelters), futuristic clothing (radiation protection and mask), using futuristic power sources (nuclear -- oh, the irony), largely replacing our transportation system (biologically powered bipeds), and eating prehistoric foods (grain lasts a loooong time, you know). And we will probably have some missiles left over, in case anyone else survived.
Just my $0.02
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You obviously must have put one of these to your head.
And I didn't even use profanity.
A speakerphone with a web camera, running compromised softwre, also amounts to a DANDY audio/video room bug.
Not if the Li-Ion battery is physically removed when the user isn't in the mood to receive calls. Or do you suggest that the main body of the phone contains a big capacitor to power it even when the battery is removed?
The Chinese are evil? That implies that the entire race of human beings who scrape food off the ground are somehow inherently "evil". As for the Chinese government vs. the American government, the similarities abound. One of the big hype words I hear alot coming from people describing China is "Communist." Although in practicality Communism (or Marxism) has nothing to do with popular opinion of Communism, the colloquial meaning of the word has come to be something like "Kills people for speaking out, is against 'freedom'". I hate to break the news, but the USA has its fair share of anti-sedition laws, take the Patriot Act for example. It is currently legal for the US government to accuse someone of being a terrorist and lock them away without trial. (Communist "witch-hunt" trials in the 1940's anyone?) Who's to stop the government from saying comic books are a "terrorist-like" medium and banning them? Anyone protesting could be called 'unpatriotic' and thrown away. To be honest, I am glad that China is developing into a new research/technology center. They have started to contest and challenge already implemented protocols/standards in America and Europe, and to that end I commend them. We shouldn't just write them off because they are "evil" because, folks, AMERICA also has its share of corruption. Modern-day capitalistic China is beginning to grow, and these new product lines and recent announcements are only the beginning of it.
Yeah.... Some guys tend to mix up all these, which is not good for health discussion.... At the end of the day, I think the technical stuff is the main theme for /.
Come back to the technical side, does anyone notice the most special feature of this yet another linux PDA/phone: the dual ARM9 processor? If your embedded applications needs, say, 400 MIPS of computing power, from the view of an electronics manufacturer, does that make sense to go for dual processors?
China's answer to Hyperthreading.
The news story reads:
A Chinese company based in Shanghai named "E28" has quietly been selling Linux-based smartphones in China since August,...
So, how is this "China", the country launching a product? It's a company doing the launch, and quietly at that. When Cisco releases a new product, do we say "The United States Launches..."?
I suppose slashdot editors see product lines as the new arms race, where products created in a market are attributed to the country as a whole.
Why buy a first generation smart phone? When you could buy a treo 600 that does everything you want, has tons of applications because it runs PalmOS, and is supported by a company that's been in the business of making pda / cell phones for a while now?
Not a bad boint, but it's more likely that when the Chinese government wants to spy on someone with a cell phone, they just monitor the cellular networks.
Just like the US Government.
We're really not that different. The sad thing is we'll probably destroy each other because of it someday.
So before you go troll around with your anti-China posts, know that he people and the goverment are two different things. Get that straight.
Moreover, Slashdot being enligtened or liberal is not up to you to determine. In a totally open public forum, you cannot possibly make intelligent generalizations about the people here. By doing so, you are merely being ignorant.
"dual ARM9s..."
... does that mean the kernel is SMP? Do the ARM9s support it natively, making the kernel think it's only one processor?
So, someone tell me
Does uCLinux support SMP? (Next on the SMP docket: UserModeLinux... whee!)
Indeed, China is a savage country where the people are held to be the property of the State, where AIDS education is nonexisten, where SARS went unacknowledged and untreated, where infanticide of female children is commonplace, where freedom of speech is nonexistent, where the soldiers are given amphetamines to make them more aggressive when disrupting protests, the list goes on and on. Just because they stole (dont kid yourselves, all of RMS' crying wont get the kernel source for this thing) the Linux kernel and put it in a phone, the Slashdotters are drooling over them and calling them 'progressive'. My only hope is that the world turns to the shit you people advocate just after I die.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I work on this sort of thing for a different company, so I can say a little bit about what's likely going on under the hood. This sort of architecture sounds pretty standard for a modern smartphone, whether it's running Linux, WinCE, or Symbian. There are tons of these gadgets on the market already, with more on the way. They could be doing something atypical, but the specs make it sound fairly pedestrian (other than the use of Linux, still rare) - hence, I'd assume they went for the cheap (standard) path. (And yes, $600 sounds, if not cheap, at least normal for this sort of thing. Your typical wireless network operator selling a phone at a lower price is subsidizing the heck out of it, and you're paying it back with a multi-year service contract. High end phones can cost this much, easy).
The typical pattern is just like this one: one ARM to control the wireless modem/dsp functions, running an RTOS, and another ARM to run the applications on an OS like Linux. So the dual processor aspect is pretty normal - probably nothing special about this phone. If it follows the pattern, odds are that the processors aren't SMP - they run separate OSes to keep the real-time function separate from the smartphone function under Linux.
All these smartphone designs draw on the heritage of "dumb" phones made over the last decade or so. A "dumb" phone would only have one ARM processor, and run the cheesy sort of text oriented UI that's been typical till recently. This is pretty much just an evolution of an old, proven design. Slap another ARM on it, running at hundreds of MHz, fabricated with a top end process to keep the current draw down, and there you go. The parts that go into this thing are made in huge volume, keeping costs down. Basically, we're talking about processes as high tech as the ones in top-end desktops, but designed for reducing current draw, not increasing MHz.
As far as battery life goes, the name of the game is to turn the processors and the radio off as much as is possible. The modem processors and radio are rarely turned on - they wake up periodically, sometime for a duty cycle measured in tens of milliseconds every few seconds to check to see if anyone's calling. If not, everything gets shut down for another sleep period. They only stay on when in a call, and when that's the case, the current draw due to turning the transmitter on is going to dwarf the draw of the processors and receiver themselves.
You can say similar things about the second ARM that's running Linux. There's a whole lot of time between a user pressing keys or the touchscreen. Typical PDA functions shut the processor down in between bursts of CPU activity. Start playing a MPEG4 clip, and you'll see the battery drain that much faster, though. If the user isn't doing anything, the normal case, the thing goes to sleep practically forever.
On their site, there are a number of flash videos avaliable. On the one that is about gaming, and has "battle bee" initially printed on it, can anyone identify the first song that it plays?
Note the edges of the screen people, how did the display become so square, while the screen itself isn't? Even more blatant, why should the phone have an oval outerlid that would, apparently, only shows a grey box-like icon?
Something's not quite right here, methinks.
More than mere navel gazing.
Does anyone know where to get motherboards and hard drives that small? I'm about to start on a project that would benefit from a tiny motherboard, the type that fit into this cellphone's case, and I haven't been able to find any sources except for the upcoming nano-itx form.
Maybe you just need to stop being so cynical. Tonight I've been reading (for homework) papers on AIDS clinical trials. These are on the incredible advances in HIV fighting methods since the 1980's. Where was this research conducted? The USA. Who published these papers? The New England Journal of Medicine. What company made the wonderdrugs to increase AIDS survival so drastically. GlaxoSmithKline, a USA company. Now that's just what I did tonight, an incredibly small portion of all the cool R and D going on in this country. It seems to me the US is still a pretty decent place to live, but I suppose since China is putting Linux on a phone that it's on the 'path of improvement'. Now I'm not blindly cheerleading for the USA, but really, open your eyes. There are tons of opportunities for you in this country, why don't you use some of them?
Since the US doesn't manufacture cellphones, and Japan does, is the tech threat from the new Chinese phones directed at Japan? Does the US only benefit from cheap new tech here?
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Imagine a beuwolf cluster of ... oh ... it's a phone? -- never mind.
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The chinese government isn't even evil.
When you start talking about how evil the Chinese government is that just opens you up to fall for propoganda when a war against China is getting pushed in the media.
China has a completely different history and culture than the West.
When people talk about Falun Gong without understanding the history of sects and cults in China they always make errors comparing it to the western Church.
Also Chinese people don't hate their own government. Neither are they brainwashed to love it. They know it has room for improvement, at the same time they don't wish to be "liberated" or any shit like that. China isn't nearly as "totalitarian" as people claim it is. With over a billion people you just can't in practice be very authoritarian. Also, you think the FBI, CIA and NSA don't watch everything going across the wires in America?
There are many many more differences. Anyways to jump on China and it's government as evil just becuase it isn't the same as the West is just not realistic. You can't measure China with the same stick you use on Western countries, and vice versa.
I'm sure the same also holds for muslim countries...
P.S. the US has the most people in prison per capita of any country...and most are non-violent offenders (i.e. drugs) With a prison population that giant you have to ask who's the authoritarian one? With laws like Californias "3 strikes law" that sends a petty theif to jail for 25 years I have to say I don't find America to be any big bastion of "justice".
Why is it that every time a Chinese company does something the slashdot article begins with "China does Blah-blah-blah... plop."
You know, there are over a billion people in China. I'm sure many of them even have some small ammount of autonomy from the evil borg communist collective that americans seem to think dominates them all. Is this just simple racism or is it some kind of fear complex?
Yes, for Japan, it's Docomo launches a Java phone and for America, it is Motorola launches a Java phone. For the poor small Chinese company, launching the Java phone is just part of its patriotic duty to the massive communistic collective?!?
Give the Chinese company a name and a face!!! They are not a faceless commies collective!!!
The company is called E28 and the phone gets launched is E2800.
"The E2800 is a 900/1800MHz, GSM/GPRS class 10 device based on dual ARM9 processors, running embedded Linux with a 2.4-series kernel."
Hello is this the SCO to which i am speaking?
For all of it's flaws, there isn't a single person starving in China.
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Actually, it's not quite a limit of 1 child per family anymore. The number of siblings you have in part determines how many children you can have.
Have someone seen O2 XDA 2? Truly amazing gadget.
It's Microsoft-powered, but cool anyway.
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Thanks for that! I learned something to day!
Great info!
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
I get rather aggravated when I see a lot of this new stuff coming out that appears to be running on the very edge of meltdown. Fans have always been my nemesis. Moving parts. Big. Failure prone. Noisy. Vibration.
I have always liked to build my stuff where I can seal it up and get it out of harm's way ( and bugs, dust, spilled coffee, and whatever else goes around.) I agree with the guys who speak with disgust about trying to build a DVR, but have to tolerate noisy fans.
Another thing that I find disappointing is bootup time. Having to do the same thing over and over every time I start my machine. I could only imagine having to boot the processor when the phone rang, and having some poor soul on the other end wait through the typical boot process.
Knowing my experience so far with every new software OS release taking longer and longer to boot, requiring faster and faster machines, it seemed to make just about as much sense to me to specify an embedded OS as it did to send a letter to my Congressman to have the federal government come and remove a weed I found growing in the street. Seemed a lot easier to me to walk over and address the problem directly without involving anything else.
But if they get these cores down pat, with all the intelligence of an OS without needing that lengthy bootup process... wow! Linux sure seems a natural for that, as hopefully the core will already be object-oriented aware, have GUI objects already in its repetoire, just awaiting configuration as to what to do with them.
Sounds like comparing the new cores to the old is kinda like comparing a new AVR chip to my old IMSAI 8080 machine.
I liked your post... I betcha you had a lot of fun working with those cores. I can only imagine what those guys are doing with those cores on video boards - where they can do all the 3D matrix math right on the board. Or Hauppauge - where they are doing that PVR250 stuff putting the MPEG encoder in one from what I can tell.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
Is this just simple racism or is it some kind of fear complex?
It's the racist, fear complex of anti-american success stories.
God thanks, china has enough military power to ensure that things will stay this way. After you've understood the nature of this american complex it's pretty entertaining - for a foreigner who knows the world from a different view than CNN's.
(nuff said)
There's a quote that sometimes comes up at the bottom of ./ "Love your country, but never trust its government." Says it all if you ask me.
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If a single CPU does not have the power to handle one application you are screwed; you have to split it up and parallelize, and you most likely need closely-coupled SMP instead. SMP for a single real-time application is hard to get right.
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Someone will have to program the AI...
Tom
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I have to wonder if the problem of handwriting recognition is easier for languages that use an ideographic written form rather than an alphabetic form.
The biggest problem for somebody like me is the computer determining if I wrote "please" or "cheese" (yes, my handwriting is that bad). I would think that in an ideographic language it would be a lot easier for the system to sort through the known ideographs.
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The phone is fat and ugly compared to all the other smartphones out there. And where's the camera?
As long as I get to venture forth from the vault to find the replacement water chip its all good.
My patience is infinite, my time is not.
I don't know how Linus maintains his humility, but it must really kick butt to have your pet Uni project running in a gazillion devices all over the planet. Of the several projects I did in my free time in college, _none_ of them are running in cell phones. (Of course, they were done on punch cards, but still.)
I wonder if Linux would have caught on if Linus had been named Frank. Would anyone have been interested in working with/on an OS called "Franx?"
Hey, if this is off topic, call me on my Linux powered cell phone (as soon as I get one) and tell me all about it.:-)
I understand, sir. If we launch a product serving Project China Consumer, it has a name.
His name was E28.
His name was E28.
His name was E28.
His name was E28.
His name was E28.
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Here in the US, the typical citizen can't be bothered to distinguish between Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and even Indians.
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I have heard a useful perspective on this from a number of Chinese immigrant friends. They all like to comment that, bad as it might be, American racism is nothing compared to Asian racism. While being quite aware of the way that most white Americans see them, they comment that American racists are much easier to deal with than the racists they've known in Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Japan, or even other parts of China.
One thesis I've heard is that at least the American racists know that they're wrong. This doesn't stop them, of course, and they will rarely admit their racism even to themselves. But at least they have subconscious feelings of guilt. My Chinese friends seem to think this is something unusual, since in their experience, racism is open and unapologetic wherever they came from.
Well, at least they have a sense of humor about it all.
It might be effective if we were to start seeing headlines attributing the actions of some US corporation to "Americans". How would American geeks respond to being tossed into the same bin as Microsoft's marketing people or SCO's lawyers?
"Americans sue teenagers and grandmothers for sharing music."
"Americans say that the GPL violates copyright laws."
"Americans threaten companies that use Finnish linux operating system."
"Americans capture ex-dictator in Iraq."
Oh; wait
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
I can't wait until the day when linux powering something is not news. When it's common place for linux/BSD or whatver other freeNIX to run on something, and have it not be a big deal. I mean, something running windows isn't news, because it's pretty common. Although, I was pretty shocked to find out that the self checkout terminals in most both Fred Meyer and Home Depot are Windows based.
Back on topic though. Won't it truelly be a milestone when running an alternative OS isn't news?
Pretty Pictures!
(nuff said)
Nah; we can have fun with this one.
United States of America threatens companies that use the Finnish "linux" operating system.
Anyone else got a headline?
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
Imagine this scenario: Type in 555-1234 and press send. Here's what you see on the screen:
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Wouldn't it be more useful to have a phone device that would communicate with a Pocket PC for all of those extra features (handwriting, voice recognition, etc) and the phone would just be used for communicating with the service provider? Make the phones dumber and cheaper but give them a lot of compatibility with PDA's and Pocket PC's, so those do the work for the phones. Is it too much to ask to make my Pocket PC useful with other devices?
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Not a bad boint, but it's more likely that when the Chinese government wants to spy on someone with a cell phone, they just monitor the cellular networks.
But what if they want to spy on him when he's NOT ON THE PHONE? This way they can.
Which is probably why they're going with open source: So the people can check it, some of them will, and they'll thus trust the box and buy it.
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I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
And who benefits the world by supplying the medicine cheap or free to 3rd world countries?
Any thoughts on the best low-cost ($50) embedded Linux platform out there?
I think this is exactly the kind of attitude that got American industries into so much troubles over the past couple decades. First, there came the underpower radio built on transistor from some Japanese company. Well, before you knew it, Sony was #1 brand in the consumer electronics in the US. Second, there came some faceless Japanese car vendors and before you knew it, Luxus is top brand.
It's easier to dismiss a threat if you made it faceless and nameless and think of their action as stupid. Who knows what happened next? You will wake up, walk into Wal-Mart and found all the cell phones you can buy are made by Haier, TCL, and Ningbo and powered by E28.
This has happened in the past and it can happen again.
...AIDS education is equivilent to baptist religion in the United States of America.
...Citizens of the United States of America pay 2-3x as much for US Made Rx drugs than any other people in other countries pay for US Made drugs. And George W Bush's recent seniors drug bill just made it illegal to go to canada to purchase drugs.
...Internal Government agencies murder and jail for life farmers for producing state sanctioned crops.
...freedom of speech is nonexistant in the United States of America.
...soldiers are given amphetamines to enhance battle skills.
...infanticide of children in poverty is commonplace
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of course the list goes on...
Two infinite things: your stupidity and mine. But I'm not sure about the latter. If my sig offends you, I'm sorry.
"Honestly, you all make me sick."
You are just ignorant.
Communist china is more liberal than the US in almost every government aspect. Larger government, state owned businesses, state housing everywhere.
In the US, it just so happens that the conservative audience is also the less enlightened citizens that typically push for the human rights violations on US soil (drug war, enemy "terrorist" combatant arrests, racism and seperatists, taxing food for poverty class, non-existant freedom of speech via DMCA, etc.)... In China, since there are no conservatives to attract the less enlightened, it is the less enlightened liberals that do the same type of things... and since democracy does not exist in any form there, there is no accountability against these people.
Two infinite things: your stupidity and mine. But I'm not sure about the latter. If my sig offends you, I'm sorry.
None whatsoever!