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Israeli Gov't Begins Testing Mandrake Linux
DJStealth writes "According to this article on Arutz 7/Israel National News, the Israeli Gov't is beginning to move away from Microsoft and is testing localized versions of Mandrake Linux in the Treasury dept. as the contract with MS expires this month. This all despite a recent defense ministry contact with MS."
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This is a wise move for Israel that I hope will be duplicated all over the world, not just in the third world countries. Switching to Linux/BSD and OSS can save thousands, even millions of dollars (or local currency), while providing a stable, reliable, inexpensive computer backbone. I think that eventually, we'll see the grand ole' USA running all government applications on Linux or the free software platform du jour. I think when that day comes, the OSS movement will have won out against the hordes of Microsoft-dependent people who can't think for themselves, and who need the government to tell them where to go, what to do and who to do it with.
This is all dependent on Bush doing two things:
A) Not getting re-elected
and
B) Not triggering an all-out nuclear war with anyone before the end of his term.
I believe in the power of OSS, and think the OSS development model is very effective, if somewhat communistic. Take it for what it's worth.
On the other side, there's the old saying "you get what you pay for" and I believe people shy away from "free" software because they think that anything that's free isn't worth using, and the better software costs money. WRONG! Linux and all the assorted BSDs are more than worthy competitors to Microsoft, not only on the enterprise and server level, but (I believe) at the home level. Sure, Redhat's folded their support for their "free" product, and SuSE costs money, and Mandrake 9.2 download edition has ads (reputedly), but I think this is evidence that the Linux vendors are realizing that the users think about the "you get what you pay for" thing before they think about "the best things in life are free" mantra, and that's why they're starting to charge for their services. That, and thousands of homeless Mandrake developers would kill their bosses if they were made homeless (or poor) by working on the distribution.
In short, I think we'll see OSS emerging as the OS of choice for most of the middle east, and possibly Russia. With the release of localised Linux distributions, we'll see a lot more users, and a lot more major players adopting Linux. And by "major players" I'm not referring to the economic side, I'm referring to the political side.
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Way to go. Propagate the stereotype...
+5, Informative
FTA: "Microsoft heaped scorn on the Commerce Department's decision to abandon Office for the software alternative."
From other places "We'll sue our customers so that they have no money to buy our products"
"We'll charge everyone a licence fee for OSS that we don't own"
Evidently the economy has become an exercise in how much abuse consumers will take. I wonder how long it will take before consumers sit up and go "WTF Mate?"
Now, if that makes sense to anyone, could you please explain it to me? I think I've confused myself.
God it is almost as bad as M$.
Hmm, so they will be making use of Linux now to blow those palestinians to juicy bits. Hooray :-/
fine print: Yes, I disaprove palestinian violence to
From the article:
/., the functionality in Office 97 is sufficient for most users. Very few people use, let alone need, the extra functionality added in the later versions of office.
Microsoft heaped scorn on the Commerce Department's decision to abandon Office for the software alternative. The procurement decision relegated users to second best, said local Microsoft officials, comparing Open Office 1.1 functionality to Word 97
First of all, like has been mentioned numerous times on
Second, this just makes Microsoft sound childish. "Our latest product is better, they're just a rip off from our old products"
I should add new copyright rules to my open source programs.
'This software should not be used in israel or by israeli (jewish) citizens'.
I'm not supporting these Zionists with my property. I don't see the point spending all my spare time for software that is being used by enemies. They should first stop killing people of the arab world.
And I for one will welcome our new linux-using sco-hating Gore-voting mutant cockroach overlords.
Oh, come on - you can never have too much bush. Especially at Christmas. I mean holly of course - what did you think I meant?
not just in the third world countries
I guess you didn't read that much papers about Israel. So ironic.
And spare us the all too naive 'this is a good thing, but people Linux is not worth it, this is WRONG' speech. You are preaching convinced people. /. wants new insights.
Like this one :).
Regards,
jdif
Let's overcome our weakness.
We must move away from Microsoft or we're DOOMED...
moo.
Wrong. The GNU/GPL and other open aproved license modells allow restriction of software being used in certain countries.
So it's a good right for one to say:
'This program is GNU/GPL but I make usage of the paragraph (blah) which limits this software of being used in israel'.
Now before telling me about restrictions spent some time into reading licenses.
That's what you get with that new business model of OSL-license. The lease expires and your customer has to make a decision wether to renew the lease or to go to the competition.
It's not like in the days a staff decided that since the budget was tight, they'll do another year with their NT4 servers.
Now, it's pay or bug off.
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Its interesting where I go to school lots of people are only intersted in useing Microsoft products. Because they believe thats all that used so its the only thing worth using. Some people even get very upset that they have to use a term on a unix box to learn how to program and think that the Linux lab is a complete waste of time and space. I happen to tell then that Microsoft probably only has the majority share of users in the US. There are other countries where users dont have money to spend on an OS. I for on think that all governments should use Open Source software because gov's are for the people Y should they not use an os written by the people they protect. I see this as a good thing and hopefully someday the US will wake up and see the light. Now this post makes me seem like I am saying windows sucks and Linux/BSD rocks, well maybe it is. I believe in using the app the does the best job. Ok if you read this and like it good if not sorry about the rant. :)
I find it quite interesting how the US government makes a dedicated effort to importing stuff from Israel - and pouring millions and millions of dollars into the country every day, and it might just be my sick sense of humour, but it seems like a bit of a slap in the face that the Israelis decided to go away from american corporation Microsoft's software.
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You can't post a story in /. about Israel, without one of these free-for-alls developing.
Which is exactly as it should be.
Israel may get all the weapons it needs from the U.S. to subjegate and humiliate an entire people, but it will never get the respect of the rest of the world while doing so.
Shame on the Zionists!
nt
Penny Pinching Jews!!!!!
I am going to hell:-(
Palestinian officials respond by rejecting Mandrake in favor of *BSD.
As for MandrakeSoft, the future looks very good because we recently got our first good successes in local administrations (details will be announced later), so at least we will have business in this field and in the corporate field.
..... everyone should blow 'at least' one.
Many governments are going for Linux saying it is free of cost, "open software", etc etc. But, the real reason I think is they believe Linux/Open Software has less chance of any "back door". They don't want every desk in their department to get electronically bugged. Now, imagine the scenario when MS offers for some sort of international code review/certification saying that it is as "safe" as open source (I don't mean "secure" and "bug free" but intentional sabotage..). It would be interesting to see if they still adopt Linux. Now, before all this happens, this is the opportunity for Linux to grab the opportunity and establish itself. Linux should market itself hard so that in the future linux too becomes enough ubiquitious, the only strength windows has. Instead of tamely imitating windows (desktop) time to get more creative and make the OS more usable to the average clerk/secretary who wants a good mail client, a word processor and a browser. Strength builds upon strength. If Linux companies can capitalise on opportunities by skeptical governments, and establishes itself, it shouldn't to be too difficult before we see linux too as an option for an average user. Windows gets its strength from those average users.
We don't need your kind around here, terrorist.
Indeed. It sounds much like the Powerpoint article, where the main argument is "blame the tool". In this case "blame the office suite". Of course you need the rudimentary features required to make it look like you want, but it's still the content that matters.
I really don't see why so much focus is on the tool. Your average run-of-the-mill business letter will look pretty damn near identical if written in OpenOffice, KWord, Word 97 or Word XP. The tool can't do any better than the man wielding it. In case of a word processor, I'd say that nothing the word processor will do makes a significant impact, even with Clippy
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I have a lot of cockroach friends, and I resent you comparing them to George Bush, you insensitive clod!
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felonious corepirate nazi execrable.
.controll just waved their 'magic' WAnD in front of lairIE/robbIE et AL, & 'stuff that matters' turned/weNT right into the nazis' payper liesense windows/gadgets, ala LeRegister.
.continually refresh the suppLIE of wannabe fraudulent phonIE monIE billyonerrors, as the # of those with felony grand larcenIE indictmeNTs pending, or already 'sentenced', & on 'probation', grows daily.
& why not? unprecedented evile has certainly met it's match this time.
robbIE rumoured to be corepirate nazi clone? (Score:mynuts won, pateNTdead PostBlock(tm) devise still not working?)
by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 12, @06:53AM (#7699395)
eXPerimeNT(r)oll, version won, of course.
the process has 'advanced' to transform bodIEs of regular folks into greed/fear/ego based puppets/ediots/droids. those slymebawls over at phonIE monIE
lookout bullow. there's nothing behind the ?pr? ?firm?/stock markup fraud 'curtain'. not even a little 'man'.
eyecon0meter: unprecedented evile hivists (Score:mynuts won, the sound of silence?)
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swarming for the ?last? badtoll?
as anticipated.
disbulleave if you want to/must, but do keep your shades handy.
unprecedented evile/corepirate nazis/softwar gangster thugs/hired goons (Score:mynuts won, a snow job is better than no job?)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday December 12, @06:04AM (#7699252 [slashdot.org]) cloning each other/themselves?
they need to
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felonious softwar gangsters hoping to freeze time? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward
on Thursday December 11, @06:35AM (#7688518 [slashdot.org]) buy striking DOWn UN motion to promote gnu/free stuff to developing nations.
they seem to have hit the eXPanding georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi execrable moretoll bullock. it's really just a sintax (t)error, whereas the fuddites' infactdead process, keeps replacing the 'one' in one
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lookout bullow. continued pretending does not help/makes things worse?, if that's even possible.
united? nations? just won?
consult with/trust in yOUR creators.... the light itself, is not frozen, but does function just as well in extremely low (or high) temperatures, all the way down to mynuts won? see you there?
OK? Just stop already.
Ahhh they use *nix everywhere even in our treasury, good on them for moving away from microsoft its a lot cheaper and a lot more flexiblie, hoorar for israel.
The medical school at which I am affiliate faculty (University of South Florida) stipulates(http://hsc.usf.edu/is/standards/student s_med.html ) that students must have a copy of MS Office ("must be purchased") as a condition of attending medical school. No mention is made of "or compatible". From what I can tell from asking the students, the main impetus seems to be that the lectures for the first two years are all given as PowerPoint presentations.
I don't have any problem with companies deciding to use only Microsoft products if that is their choice, nor do I object to University support policies that focus on MS because they have to use their resources to support the most students in a cost-effective way, but I strongly object to making ownership of MS software a condition of attendance, particularly at a public institution in a state that sued MS for antitrust violations.
And Bob Marley was a Jew because he sang about Zion in many of his songs? ...no
The concept of Zion is multifaceted. It is the fabled homeland, not shorthand for state sponsored killing. It's use in the Matrix was not propaganda.
They're only giving themselves a month to decide? It usually takes me a week to iron out the config on my own box after a fresh install. Squid this, adzapper that, make a GPG key, why won't iptables block Zope's port...
Does anyone else think it strange that the Isreali defence department signed their Microsoft deal in New York? I can't think of any other deal where you buy $20 Million in software but have to travel half way around the world to sign the contract, unless of course the deal was a small part of a deal very benificial to the buyer.
The real deal probably went along the lines of "I'll accept $1 billion of aid to buy attack helicopters from you, and as a thank you I'll spend $20 million on software from Microsoft."
This isn't the type of deal that Microsoft can rely on to sustain itself because where the finance ministry had to make a choice without the benefit of a large subsidy/bribe they dropped Microsoft.
Personally I would use the term Zealots rather than Zionists.
The Zealots were a bunch of militant religious nuts who dragged the majority moderate Jews to war with Rome, leading to the destruction of Jerusalem, the burning of the Temple and the final destruction of what remained of Israel, leaving the Jews without a homeland for the next 2000 years. They refused to abide any foreign rule because Israel could only be ruled according to the strict word of God and believed that any violent means were acceptable, to achieve their aims. The Jews bitterly regretted the Zealots during their wandering years, but obviously they haven't learnt not to allow their interactions with their neighbours to be ruled by violent militant religious nuts who believe they are on a holy quest from God to maintain the sancitity and purity of the Jewish state.
Zionism used to be quite secular and was actually despised by Jewish fundamentalists. Then it got hijacked by militant fundamentalists who want to recreate the Israel of Solomon and David. Never mind that particular Israel hasn't existed for over 2000 years and other people settled in the region over the last couple of millenia. While the majority of Israelites just want to live their lives and don't give a damn about Greater Israel, the rantings of the settlers involve lines like "God gave us this land so it belongs to us. The Palestinians should acknowledge us as the rulers or they should just get out." The fact that most people don't seem to realise that *both* sides are driven by religious nuts who are perfectly willing to use force against innocent civilians to achieve their aims and don't care a whit about the suffering of their own people just shows that the Jewish Zealots have a better PR machine.
The funny thing is now the Jews are coming to realise that if they keep the Palestinian lands, they will soon no longer be a Jewish state because the Arab birthrate is much higher. So the options are to either reliquish the land and remain small, but democratic and Jewish. They could keep the land, and remain Jewish by not allowing the Arabs to vote in a sort of apartheid system therefore no longer be a democracy (what do you call a country where the majority are not allowed to vote because of their race?). They could keep the land, and remain Jewish by driving all of the Arabs out ie. ethnic cleansing (Israel could be the first democracy to do ethnic cleansing...). Or they could keep the land, remain a democracy and the Jewish nature of the state will be wiped out in a decade when Arabs form the majority of the population,and vote in an Arab PM. Personally I'd choose (1) but somehow I have a feeling the zealots are going to drive Israel to (2) or (3). If (4) happens I'd consider it karma.
Didn't you see 'Wag the Dog'? I wouldn't be suprised if the entire Israeli gov't were run out of a Manhattan office.
If they do, they'll make the most popular and usable distro. And nothing will have changed.
But I did learn something from this thread, on Slashdot, Microsoft is more evil that Israel. I'd join in with the chants of "LINUS, Linus Linus" but I'm off to fire my drill missile at the Yamato and my restrictive and unecessarily pointy flight helmet makes such revelry impractical if not impossible.
Yes, but think further. Why did they seemingly shoot themselves in the foot? Maybe because they realize they won't be around much longer. Maybe they're trying to get as much money as they can before Linux takes over.
That's U.S. money, dude.
Israel doesn't spend a dime on these armaments. We give them what they want... for free.
Free, as in, freeing a Palestinian child from his arms and legs.
To go along with their recent financial success, a win here would be absolutely huge for them.
"And now, Frank N. Furter, your time has come. Say 'goodbye' to all of this, and 'hello'... to oblivion!"
Doesn't matter, 1 month isn't enough time to switch over a small office over to Linux, let alone an entire governments structure and closed source software.
They may decide to switch over, but it will be over a few years, and will continue using their existing OS.
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Here the realism about these Zionists. The Hizbollah made a lot of Pictures for demonstrating the law and order of these israeli motherfuckers.
back in the ovens you pricks
Surely you mean switch back to unix? Seems the world has forgotten xenix. Although having heard from people old enough to have used it this is a good thing. Look at the SCO case if you want to learn more about the history of xenix.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I really need that clippy to entertain me, the way it changes in to different shapes, how it knocks on my screen and looks at me with that round and loving eyes...
ahm..I'm all out of hand lotion..see ya in a bit.
Personally I don't give a shit about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict...
But since every China story has some asshat critisizing China for some human rights shit let me just say:
Oooh, great, now mandrake is going to be used by zionist-fascists who occupy people's homeland for 30 years and practice ethnic cleansing. (sorry, it's the truth, handle it)
Don't take it personal, I'm just sick of seeing China articles singled out for whining and bitching...
The Israeli Minister of Defense signs a three year
contract for $21 Million dollars with Microsoft.
The entire deal is subsidized by the United States
(We are paying for it!)
Two weeks later the Israeli Treasury walks away
from renewing their previous two year contract
with Microsoft to start using Linux.
Talk about some mixed up Motherfuckers
hehehehehahahaha lol....
We better get another article to link here. Because the one I F. Read has almost zero about anything Linux, and is covered top to botton with microsoftish stuff.
Mandrake linux is mentioned but once, and in this context: " and the ministry is testing localized builds of Mandrake Linux. ".
I mean....there is by no ways a contrac, or anything. The only contractes mentioned on the F.A. are the ones signed to microsoft, both old and new.
Nowere in the article it is said anything about money saving in changing into FLOSS. Actually, by reading it one gets the impression that FLOSS alternatives will cost far higher than current deals with microsoft.
Open office itself is mentioned three times, one of them in a quote from m$ spokespersons saing it is worse tah microsoft office 97.
To sun it up, IMO, either this article is pro microsoft, or there is nothing going on over there - move along.
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Then we just need 100mg more Zyklon-B for you. Minor expenses...
Good choice Israel. Mandrake already get the David star on it.
Did this logo weight somehow in favour of Mandrake ?
Léa Gris
WASHINGTON, DC - Only minutes after Secretary of State Colin Powell this morning announced that computing talks with Israel had broken down, Communications Minister Reuven Rivlin held a press conference to declare that Israel intended to go ahead with this week's planned Mandrake Linux testing.
Minister Rivlin downplayed the computing tensions that might result along the Lebanese border. "Israel's computing sovereignty will not be challenged. If we want to move to BeOS, HP-UX, Solaris, PC-DOS... we cannot yield to world opinion when it comes to protecting our right to compute as God promised us we would be able to do."
Israel's testing of Mandrake Linux comes on the tails of a 7-month period of testing of FreeBSD by most of that countries Arab neighbors. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had instructed Minister Rivlin in recent weeks to begin preparations for Linux testing, despite President Bush's calls for restraint.
A Microsoft spokesman expressed sadness in a telephone conference call with the press this morning. "This is about more than a contract between the government of Israel and Microsoft," he said with a cracking voice. "It's about the stability of computing standards in the Middle East. I can't stop thinking about those kids." It is unclear at press time what in the world he was talking about.
Sorry for the off topic, but I'm sick of this nonsense. If I can put some sense into one pea brain then I hve to . Mod me as you will.
As we know all Israeli's are evil. After living here for a year, I thought I'd translate a days activities to you:
Avi a dark skined man walks out of his mansion, onto a street filled with mansions, and climbs into his car. A 50 ton armourd bulldozer. Suddenly his cell phone rings.
Avi: Shalom! (hi/peace/goodbye)
Yitzak: Hey Avi, how's it going?
Avi: Well it was a rough day yesterday. I was too busy studying the King James Bible in english to get any real work done.
Yitzak: You know Sharons going to get really upset with you if you don't get your quota in.
Avi: How am I supposed to kill 10,000 arab children a day and still have time to spend with my wife and kids?
Yitzak: Well I was just calling you to let you know I'm building a new settlement.
Avi: Don't you already have 5 already?
Yitzak: Yeah, but I already drove the arabs out of those areas, so I thought I'd build another one. I could have chosen any of the thousands of hecktars of land that are empty, but it's just no fun without destroying a fellow human beings life.
Avi: Oh that reminds me, did you get the buliten in the mail about the last Elders Meeting?
Yitzak: Yeah, wow, were doing great! Bush even came this time! Even bowed down for Sharon. It was a real crowd pleaser. I'm telling you it's been gravey train ever since the Holocost. Best thing that ever happend to us.
Avi: Ok I gotta go, and meet quota. Catch up latter at the cafe?
Yitzak: Sure thing budy! The "Childrens Blood" is on me!
Avi: Shalom!
Yitzak: Shalom!
Wake up call.
Fact:
* Israeli's don't drive bulldozers to work.
* Israeli's are no fonder of seeing children die needlessly than anyone else.
* Jews don't drink human blood, and if you believe this it's also a fact your a moron.
* 50% of Israelis are from Iraqi, Syrian, Moraccan, Yeminite, Egyptian, Iranian, Jordainian, Afgani, Saudi, Lebanesse, and/or local descent. They tell no plesent stories from their home lands.
* No arab village has ever been raized to make way for a jewish one, except in cases where the land was owned by "Israelies" pre-48, or in cases of tacticle need. In which case it's eminant domain, and the arab land owners are compensated.
* 25% of Israelies are not jewish
* 80% of Jewish Israelies, don't practice any religion. And half of those profess radical secularism. Despite the fact that they actualy speak hebrew, most have never read any section of the Torah (old testament), and have at best a vauge idea of what it is.
* Most Israelies would rather just get on with thier lives. They neither hate nore care what happens to the "Palistinians" any more.
* Arabs can and do, walk in Zionist shopping malls, grocerie stores, parks, and public schools. Jews who walkin Arab neiboorhoods are likley to be shot/stabed/beaten etc...
If you've never been here, you have no right to comment and certainly no right to condemn. If you do live here, you still have no right to condemn, and certainly no right to spread lies and half truths.
There, now I feel better.
I would rather be ashes than dust!
... because it contains code that they claim to own. Everyone doing business with Israel has to pay a license fee.
The Israeli decision probably stems from Microsoft's faux pas last year when they announced that Office XP for MAc would not be localized in Hebrew.
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See _Microsoft's Mac Hebrew snub prompts Israeli AntiTrust complaint_ from the register:
www.theregister.com/content/archive/29
Even if they apparently subsequently reversed their decision the damage was done.
An important factor here is Israel has a buoyant IT industry and Microsoft's initial decision highlighted the danger of relying too heavily on one single software supplier.
Many companies still have yet to forgive MS for not sufficiently fixing bugs and they suffer from all the virii that have been criscrossing the internet. It's not enough to take any and all precautions becuase there's still the human element that can always get a virus past the best firewalls. Code red and friends have cost businesses millions and if I'm a IT consultant I would be quick to point out that Linux is free and the virii have cost us more than the license fees.
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I've used/put up with, Suse for 3 years. Its gone from terribly buggy to fairly good, and back to terrible. I have never had printing, faxing, PIM & PDA functions working in Suse, because I knew from experience that it'd take 3 days to hunt down each of the hidden errors and get each little function working; and these were usually dumb errors too... distro errors. My conclusion is, the guys at Suse must hate their job. I had given them chance, after chance, after chance. Got absolutely fed up when Suse9 recently fell apart into a steaming pile.
See, what is really happening is, something's bad wrong at Suse, and they are effectively transferring their costs to the customer. To all who have tried Linux and failed to get it working satisfactorily, experienced people have this problem too. Assuming you hate M$ like I do, it's a question of how you want to spend your time: bit-twiddling, or with family/friends.
In desperation I tried Mandrake9.2, about two weeks ago. I was skeptical because I'd heard bad things about Mandrake8.x, and of their financial problems. But man, 9.2 works.
I can actually print on my beloved Alps MD5000, I can capture photos from a camera, capture video and compress to DivX... IOW stuff just works. Only problems I've had with Mandrake were because my bios was set to Legacy (for the benefit of Suse), and the weird abstracted (Debian) menuing. But nothing does not work -- a very functional, fast tool to actually get work done.
Thank you Mandrake. May you continue this trend.
Re: Israel -- In my opinion, Israel is now perpetrating its own Holocaust, and has been so for years. God will damn you, Gen. Sharon. 'Nuff said.
Campaign finance reform is national security.
Who cares about what operating system they are using in Israel ? How can they possibly manage to control a Linux or a Windows machine if they can't even control their own state. Let them first do some peace talks and accomplisch something maybe then I might be interesting. But if their conflict is going to take much longer I won't even care less in the future that I do now.
France is a terrorist-supporting nation.
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Israel And South Africa: Two Forms of Apartheid
From Chapter I in: Israel - An Apartheid State,
by Uri Davis, Zed Books, London and New Jersey, 1987
The Republic of South Africa is not the creation of the United Nations Organization, and it can survive as a 'white' supremacy state for a considerable period of time, though by no means indefinitely, with the aid of its diamond, gold, uranium and other abundant resources, in the face of international isolation, and the moral and material boycott of the international community. Israel is much more vulnerable in this, as in other respects. Whereas the Republic of South Africa does not critically depend on enlightened public opinion in the West, as institutionalized in the United Nations Organization and the UN Charter, Israel does.
Formally speaking, the Israeli procedure of denationalization is far more radical and far-reaching than its South-African equivalent. The Republic of South Africa, in the framework of its apartheid policy, devise a legal mechanism to deprive some 75 percent of its inhabitants - the majority of its black people - of their South African citizenship. Under the Bantu Homeland Citizenship Act (1970) (amended as the Bantu Laws Amendment Act (1974)) every black person with South African citizenship becomes a 'citizen' of one of ten ethnic homelands. Originally constituted as part of the Republic of South Africa, since 1976 four homelands (Transkei, Bophuthatswana, Venda and Ciskei) have been granted independence, thereby depriving eight out of the twenty million black citizens of the Republic of South Africa of their South African citizenship.
In the Republic of South Africa, the principle of apartheid is applied under the categories of 'white', 'coloured', 'Indian', and 'black'. Under the new 1984 Constitution, a stratified hierarchy was established inside the Republic recognizing the minority of 25 per cent of the 'white', 'coloured' and 'Indian' inhabitants of South Africa as citizens of the Republic (though segregated politically in three separate Houses of Parliament, 'white', 'coloured' and 'Indian', respectively) while denying access to South African citizenship to the majority of 75 per cent of the inhabitants of South Africa, namely, its twenty million black people.
It still remains the case, however, that South African apartheid recognizes the legal personality of its black inhabitants in a way that Zionist apartheid with regard to the Palestinian Arabs does not. While aiming to exclude its black inhabitants from citizenship in the Republic of South Africa, South African apartheid still recognizes them as legal persons (albeit inferior), and thus predicates the legal mechanism of their exclusion on the 'replacement' of their citizenship in the Republic of South Africa with an alternative citizenship, namely, citizenship in one of the ten bogus ethnic 'new independent states'. Through this mechanism the majority of the inhabitants of the Republic of South Africa, its black people, are rendered aliens in their own homeland, but they are not defined out of legal existence.
In the case of Israel, Zionist apartheid is applied under the categories of 'Jew' versus 'non-Jew'. Of the almost three million non-Jewish Palestinian Arabs who are today entitled, under the constitutional stipulations of the 1947 UN Partition Plan, to Israeli citizenship, less than 25 per cent (approximately 700,000 persons) are Israeli citizens. Under the Absentee Property Law (1950), the state of Israel has similarly denationalized 75 per cent of its non-Jewish Palestinian Arab inhabitants (over two million persons classified as 'absentees'). However, having classified them as 'absentees' in the eyes of the law, it has thereby not only defined them as aliens in their own homeland, but has cast them outside legal existence altogether.
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The Absentee Property Law (1950) having defined the mass of the Palestinian Arab refugees from the territories that came under Israeli rule and occupation in 1948-9 out of
"An Israeli Ministry of Defense procurement delegation signed a framework agreement with Microsoft in New York and the deal will reportedly be subsidized by the United States."
The US gov. is subsizing MS software for another country?! Good grief! It's bad enought Bush made the anti-trust suit go away; now this?
the state bantus you!
I *was* using Mandrake and just last weekend switched to Suse. Glad that I did now.
I was debating if I should stick it out and stay with Suse or be lazy and switch back to Mandrake which is EASY.
Now that I see that the terrorist state of Israel is using Mandrake, this gives me good cause to stick with Suse and stay away from Mandrake.
I boycott ALL prodocts made in Israel and I try to boycott products embraced by Israel.
In case of a word processor, I'd say that nothing the word processor will do makes a significant impact, even with Clippy
I agree.
But don't forget the costs to the letter composer in initial training and learning of the application, as well as the time it actually takes to compose a letter.
I believe the single largest impediment to more widespread adoption of Open Office is fear of having to climb yet another learning curve.
"Provided by the management for your protection."
I was going to make a pun about "bear markets", but it seemed rather poor, and thought that slashdotters would "correct" the joke, po-faced, so I won't.
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I'm just noticing that not one anti-israel poster has been anything other than anonymous. Of course by posting this I invite contridiciton.
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I would rather be ashes than dust!
I for one am more concerned about Israel's abuses in the occupied territories because my tax dollars are financing those abuses.
You should feel free to murder people, as long as you're careful to murder fewer people than your neighbors do.
Because Mandrake sure isn't.
How about the hundreds of dollars I personally pay each year that pays for the tanks and bulldozers that aren't demolishing the homes of those deemed insufficiently jewish to be citizens of the country in which they live? I'd say that gives me a right to comment.
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Why would you expect anything else from a group that is so desperately searching for their identity?
For those of you who don't know, Aruz 7 is a pirate radio station owned and operated by and for the exteremly religious parties in Israel. Kind of like the christian evangalist channels that operate in the US - only jewish and with less money. This "news" radio station was shut down recently by an injuction for broadcasting over illegal radio frequencies that disturb flight and ship navigation systems. The station broadcasts to the exteremly religious minority of Israel, the kind that is not allowed to listen to other "secular" radio and TV channels because they are considered by that community Obsene and Immoral. :)
Funny this tech-news piece should come from Aruz 7, as it is the least respectable news source in Israel (unless you consider Hamas and Fatah (Arafat) broadcasting as Israeli media).
The power of Christ compiles you!
What "genocide" are you talking about exactly?
Do you have any evidence? Are you even following up on anything that's happening or just having the typical knee-jerk reaction in favor of "the underdog"?
You're forgetting your history. Think, what world-wide event could have bolstered the Zionist case among the Jews? That's right, WORLD WAR 2!
That you would pass over such a huge event puts a shadow of doubt over your entire summary.
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The situation was a little different in Germany. The Jews in Germany never waged a war to "push the Germans into the sea." If German Jews had gotten millitary aid from the French, the British and the Russians and had united with them to wage an agressive war against Germany, bombing German shopping malls and churches on Christmas and Easter and vowing to take over all of Germany's land and slaughter its citizens there would be more people ready to defend Hitler's actions. I can't imagine many Germans would be eager to allow Jews back to their homes if even a slim majority of Jews had attempted this. Maybe if the minority had stayed and helped defend the country (like the Druzes stayed and helped defend Israel), but not if they had sided with the agressors.
Israel has been put in some difficult moral situations. When you're attacked by armies from literally all directions with soldiers ten times yours in number, what do you do?
Or, when you're attacked by soldiers who don't wear uniforms and hide in the civilian population demanding the destruction of your nation and murdering your citizens, decade after decade, how do you fight them?
Every 'peace offer' put forward by the Palestinians has included the 'Palestinian right of return.' No nation in history has voluntarily allowed such a large number of hostile immigrants into its country in proportion to its population and survived as a nation. We can find Israel's response distasteful or excessive. We can condemn them and feel better. But I'm curious what nation has ever been in such a threatening situation and maintained as many civil liberties. Maybe the Native Americans, or some other people who saw their nation destroyed. Returning captured land is the only tactic which has ever secured any kind of peace for Israel. Measured responses might eliminate attackers, but they are not deterants. Appeasement is never sufficient if some of those murdering your people believe that only the destruction of your nation is a moral outcome.
The present day conflict is not a snapshot in time. A person witnessing the end of World War II might see an allied invasion of Nazi Germany and consider it unjust.
The people opposed to Israel's policies are most often those who don't think it's important that Jews have lived in the territory of Israel for the better part of three millenia, often under foreign occupation and as second class citizens. For once, they are fighting for their own nation. The PLO attacked Israel first, demanding Israel's destruction and not the other way around. The PLO demands 'the Palestinian right of return' which is, for all practical purposes, the same as allowing an invading army into your territory. Many Palestinian millitant factions still demand the total destruction of Israel. There are not enough police in the world to solve the crisis that the "Palestinian right of return" would create.
>Fair enough. It's theirs, give it back.
German Jews didn't get their property back. They got compensation. A small but significant difference, since we're dealing with holy land here. What's that worth?
>Everytime someone brings up something about how >Israel is violating international law by >confiscating more land for its settlements
>(which no one, including the United States
> recognizes as legitimate) the old song about >how the jews suffered under Nazi rule is >brought out to justify the actions.
You're right. Whenever someone brings somthing up about Israelis violating international law, the Israelis should instead point out how a number of other nations in the middle east (or elsewhere) are violating international law or how that law is applied hypocritically.
In 1975, the U.N. General Assembly passed Resolution 3379, proclaiming "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." Never mind that pre-1948, a large number of Jews were violently forced out of their homes in various Arab nations with no compensation given. Even today, it's still illegal to
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...but it is the Israelis who form death squads, torture palestinians and kills civilians in refugee camps.
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It's not the Israelies who blow themselves up in buses and kill many innocent children.
How do you suggest palestinians should defend themselves? Their land is occupied. They have no army or military capacity that is even a fraction of Israel's. Bear in mind that killing yourself is not an easy choice.
It's not the Israelies who contribute to charities to fund terror groups.
Are you crazy? That would be the United States that is pouring in billions in military aid to Israel.
It's not the Israelies who have a dictatorial government.
The palestinian people have been denied a government for a long time. How do you expect palestinians to organize when Israel denies them that right?
It's not the Israelies who have vowed to wipe their neighbor from the face of the earth.
But the Israelis certainly are in the lead:
________________Israelis____Palestinians
Childre
Civilians Killed_____632__________2,317
Assassinations _______1____________297
Bystanders killed
in the course
of Assassination____________________145
It's not the Israelies who are teaching both in schools and mosques their children to hate.
According to a 1977 UNESCO report, Israeli authorities systematically doctored the textbooks on history, geography, and literature used by Palestinian children to eliminate references to Palestine.
So, it should be no surpise that Israelies are at WAR.
It should be no surprise Palestinians are pissed when their country is invaded and occupied!
Want to challenge your
I know because I follow the news over there very closely.
It comes as no surprise to me that you are following Fox news very closely. Do you really find it strange that the Palestinians would like the Israelis to leave?
If you denounce UN resolutions and claim they have no credibility, what right do you think Israelis have to claim land in Palestine?
And please don't point at obscure bible quotes. There are a lot of othodox Jews claiming the that the current state of Israel has no foundation in the bible. What you need to do is take a bath, relax and start thinking outside of the little box full of pre-fabricated bible-study group propaganda. If you need help and want to challenge your own thinking, please have a look at this website.
Want to challenge your
first they assist iraq with rocket propelled grenades and nuclear power plants, now they are supplying israel with mandrake linux... once again went behind our backs ... fsck them!
welcome our new Zionist overlords.
You can hide your ignorance behind your Anonymity, but your Cowardice leeches through. What don't you believe? The civilized approach of most of Israel's 50 year history, or the barbarity of the Arab tyrannies, especially their cynical abuse of the Palestinians? Join the civilized people who support an end to Arafat and Sharon's partnership in apocalypse, and suggest something constructive, rather than cowardly anonymous sniping that just brings everybody down.
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Israelis, Palestinians and the rest of us are threatened by insane warmongers who wage apocalyptic brinksmanship for worldly power, and sick dreams of glory in the afterlife which is breathing down their septuagenarian necks. Rabin's murderer was a "settler" from a sicko jewish sect in Brooklyn, breeding terrorists in a mirror image of Arafat's Al Aqsa Brigade. Sharon is responsible for most of the bulldozed houses referenced in your link (implicit in even their numbers). As well as the most bloody, counterproductive "counterattacks" in the half-century Arab-Israeli war in which the Palestinians are one theater. Anonymous Coward, as Arab states increase in power and organization, tilting global allies like France, Russia and China to counterbalance the increasingly unpredictable USA, Israel's security is increasingly threatened. The growth of the international arms market in countries with active campaigns against Israel, like Syria and Iran, shows the economic value of the threat to Israel's survival. And the propaganda value to Arab kings (and many other medieval Muslim governments) of Israel's destruction, distracting their people from tyranny at home, is ever more pressing, even as those kings gain nuclear bombs and Jeremiah high priests. To say nothing of Al Qaeda and their proximity to controlling Pakistan's nuclear missiles. Just visit Israel, or any of the other (antidemocratic) mideastern countries, and rethink whether Isreal is endangered. And the depth of the threat to all of us, as the destroyers move from strength to strength, sending us all to a fiery hell on Earth.
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Where's the genocide, Anonymous Coward? There's a guerilla war inside Israel, with a truly demented Arab named Arafat directing his people to kill themselves one by one, taking out as many Jews (and sympathetic bystanders) as possible. Arafat has made a hard definition of "Palestinist" as genocidal terrorist, to the everlasting discredit of his inheritors. While Sharon's zealot sullying of Zionist merely overshadows a century of definition of "self-determination". Focus your venom on Arafat and Sharon, the criminals, rather than an entire people, lest you betray your own racism, and its likely genocidal lusts.
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Reading this thread, it looks like at least most, if not all, of the sick posts targeting Jews in the name of a perverted "antizionism", are the work of a single childish fool. Who is coward enough to remain anonymous as they spill venom through their keyboard. It is interesting to note that all the posts attacking Jews and "zionists" are anonymous (and cowardly). And the few posts which are named all make the reasonable distinction between zionism (belief in Jewish self-determination/homeland) and the zealot militarism of Sharon's amok government. This would be a near-flamewar to take seriously if more posters showed their "faces" (usernames). Otherwise, you're just fanning the cold flames of paranoid propaganda, regardless of your point.
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