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iTunes 4.2 and QuickTime 6.5

usr122122121 writes "iTunes 4.2 and QuickTime 6.5 were released today, available by Apple's Site and Software Update (respectively)."

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  1. The Comic Book Guy says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ".. shortest news item, ever"

    1. Re:The Comic Book Guy says... by phildog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, is this available via Software Update as well? Sorry - couldn't resist pretending I didn't RTF'ing tiny article...

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    2. Re:The Comic Book Guy says... by l1gunman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup. Already had it down before this news "broke", helping my kid learn how to rip, mix and burn. The version says 4.2.0.72. Have to check the Mac version when I get home tonight...

    3. Re:The Comic Book Guy says... by usr122122121 · · Score: 4, Informative
      ".. shortest news item, ever"
      Apparently Apple also thought the news item was too short... so they released Xcode 1.1, which is also available through Software Update (if you have the developer tools installed). Yet another update to add to the list :-)
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  2. Hmmm.... by JoeLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder...could they have fixed the hack that Mr. Johanson made? Even on the windows version?

    Just a thought...

    1. Re:Hmmm.... by JeffTL · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, actually, he didn't do anything except insert a loopback somewhere up in Quicktime...you could already do about the same thing with any audio capture utility, or for that matter a CD-RW drive.

    2. Re:Hmmm.... by line.at.infinity · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Which hack was that?

      QTFairUse.

    3. Re:Hmmm.... by minus_273 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ugh its not a hack. using the API is not a hack. heck its been done so much before "dvd jon" wrote his little program, i was amazed slashdot had it as "news"... geez some people here are such sheep.

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    4. Re:Hmmm.... by tgibbs · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I wonder...could they have fixed the hack that Mr. Johanson made? Even on the windows version?

      Do you think they care? I think Apple's protection is intended to be closer to the chain on your front door than to Fort Knox: not intended to stop the experienced thief, but simply to reduce temptation to passersby.

    5. Re:Hmmm.... by james+b · · Score: 2, Informative

      I belive Jon's program did a little more: It got into Quicktime after decryption but before decoding, resulting in an AAC file digitally identical to the original one, but freely copyable.

      All the methods involving audio capture or burn-then-rip involve some 'transcoding' loss in audio quality as the file is decompressed, captured, then usually recompressed to AAC or mp3. /james

    6. Re:Hmmm.... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Informative
      First of all, it's not vaporware. Secondly, Soundstudio is a Mac OS X app (I believe, assuming we're thinking of the same Soundstudio here), and there aren't any apps I know of for Windows that will open a _protected_ m4p file and encode the stream to an MP3 directly.


      Third, as I mentioned in my QTFairUse guide above, you might find that unprotected AAC audio which you can easily get from QTFairUse is a nice way to listen to your iTunes Music Store songs using WinAmp or non-Apple AAC-capable hardware players, without any quality loss whatsoever. The myths that QTFairUse doesn't work or do anything just aren't true - it is a pain to use in its current form, but it works, and it is useful for some of us. And it's the only way I know of besides stream recording or burn-and-rip to go from M4P to MP3 on a Windows box.

    7. Re:Hmmm.... by VoyagerRadio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I read a news item about the company that encodes the 30-second preview files for iTunes and other music services. I can't remember their name right now, but they encode directly from the master recordings. I'm not sure if they handle the entire encoding operation, though. By the way, this company is going to start offering its tools to other companies so they can start their own music services.

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  3. Quicktime 6.5 by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hm - hopefully this will fix the problem of "No One Lives Forever 2" not being able to function in Quicktime 6.4. Otherwise, I'm going to install Jaguar to my iPod and boot off that when I want some "Cate Archer" sneaking action.

    1. Re:Quicktime 6.5 by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right-on! I got to play that game for about a week before I had to install panther to play with xcode. I can't believe that the retail Apple store I bought it at has been selling a game for the last two months that won't work on an up-to-date system (I had to downgrade QT on jaguar) - Apple should have pulled it until macplay got it working (even if it was apple that broke quicktime). Good idea with the ipod - I hadn't thought of that, thanks.

    2. Re:Quicktime 6.5 by jpkunst · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quicktime 6.5 does not fix the No One Lives Forever 2 problem with QT 6.4. I just tried it.

      Back to rebooting in 10.2.8/QT 6.3 for Cate Archer action.

      JP

    3. Re:Quicktime 6.5 by Fred+IV · · Score: 5, Informative

      Otherwise, I'm going to install Jaguar to my iPod and boot off that when I want some "Cate Archer" sneaking action.

      You might consider checking with Apple first to see if it will screw up your warranty.

      iPodHacks warns that booting off your iPod might be considered "abuse" by Apple if you have problems later.

      FIV
  4. just wondering by Dreadlord · · Score: 3, Interesting

    any plans of a Linux version of iTunes? Since Mac OS X kernel is BSD, I guess porting to Linux wouldn't be that hard.

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    1. Re:just wondering by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      any plans of a Linux version of iTunes? Since Mac OS X kernel is BSD, I guess porting to Linux wouldn't be that hard.

      This is kinda like saying it would not be hard to port Internet Explorer to DOS. There are a number of problems with porting iTunes to Linux, mainly:

      • iTunes relies heavily on QuickTime for playback and importing/encoding audio. Since QuickTime does not (officially) exist for Linux, this would be a big problem.
      • It would be a pain in the neck for Apple to support even just the major Linux distributions. Odds are they are not going to just release a source tarball for people to compile for their distro. Different kernel versions, libraries, etc. would complicate things a lot, especially with regards to burning CDs from inside iTunes.

      Granted, iTunes was successfully ported to an OS that has no real UNIX underpinnings in common with OS X (Windows), but the fact that QuickTime already existed in a mature state for that platform eased things a great deal I'm sure. It's not impossible, but there is little incentive for Apple to put the rather gargantuan effort required into porting iTunes Linux.

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    2. Re:just wondering by zulux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      any plans of a Linux version of iTunes? Since Mac OS X kernel is BSD, I guess porting to Linux wouldn't be that hard.

      I kind of doubt it.

      They *could* do it - but probably won't for marketing reasons.

      Apple makes it's money selling Apple hardware - if in their eyes they think that there are a few Linux users that will buy an Apple just to have Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie etc - then they'll just refuse.

      Apple has to have a Windows version of Quicktime - othewise the movie studios woulden't bother trying to use Quicktime for Apple's 8% market share.

      Apple make itunes for Windows to expose Windows users to the iPod and to the Apple "expeience" - they're hoping to get some coverts. "This iTunes is pretty cool - I really would like a whole computer that behaves this nicley, instead of all this windows crap."

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    3. Re:just wondering by Gilesx · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be honest, your best bet right now is to check out the Rhythmbox project at http://www.rhythmbox.org

      It has an interface similar to iTunes, supports Ripping, as many audio formats as Gstreamer can handle (including mp3, and ogg), and will soon be able to burn to CDs as well.

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    4. Re:just wondering by vruba · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The kernel (Mach, in Mac OS X's case) doesn't matter much to a media player. Obviously things like hardware support and i/o latency make a difference, but more or less any modern OS will support something that supports MP3 playing. It probably wasn't a matter of a quick recompile, but iTunes works fine on Windows, which has a completely different hardware and low-level software architecture.

      What makes the difference here is having a media architecture. iTunes floats on QuickTime, which Apple trusts to work really well with various audio codecs (and their DRM schemes). Besides that, it's (")just(") some GUI, network, security, and disc-burning code. QuickTime is the central issue here; Apple would not make iTunes for mpg123/ALSA/whatever.

      But if you're asking "Why haven't they ported QuickTime to Linux yet?", I agree. I suppose they might be thinking like this:

      1. We want to sell Macintoshes, and, if possible, software.
      2. Let's make a killer app so people will want to buy Macs, and call it QuickTime.
      3. But wait ... if we make it Mac-only, not even Mac users will want to use it, because it'll be outnumbered by whatever Microsoft comes up with the stamp it out.
      4. So let's port it, and make it a model citizen in the Windows envirnoment, so most everyone will be able to use it while associating it with Apple.
      5. Port to Linux? Why? We want these people to moan and whine about not being able to watch .mov trailers, and talk themselves into buying a tibook. Obviously they're already vulnerable to Unix. Mwahahahrahra!

      In other words, they have to port to Windows if they want it to survive at all. But they're the powerful ones in comparison to Linux, and they can just try to borg its users.

      Disclaimers: (1) this is pure speculation, (2) I use Mac OS X considerably more than Linux these days, and (3) I'm feeding a troll.

    5. Re:just wondering by shotfeel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mmm, but iTunes is mainly used to buy music online, not to play music

      No, iTunes on the Mac has been the premier app for organizing and listening to music for waaaay longer than iTunes Music Store has existed. Still is.

    6. Re:just wondering by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      OSS and Quicktime have nothing to do with each other. OSS is an API for communicating with a sound card. Quicktime is a hugely complex media framework for reading, editing, playing, displaying, and otherwise working with many types of files, from text to movies to audio. Gstreamer and Quicktime would be a more accurate matchup. Unfortunately, Gstreamer is not quite ready for major use at the moment.

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    7. Re:just wondering by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You hit the nail on the head. If linux is ever to succeed on the desktop, the distros will have to agree upon one common set of libraries and a common default window manager. I personally don't see that happening any time soon so Windows will continue to rule and the only viable alternative for the desktop with commercial apps is OS X. Perhaps OS X will achieve a 10-15% market share as people get tired of waiting for longhorn over the next few years.

      Commercial Apps must be able to run in binary form on all major distros if linux is to gain any significant marketshare on the desktop.

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    8. Re:just wondering by Nalgas+D.+Lemur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mmm, but iTunes is mainly used to buy music online, not to play music, QuickTime maybe used to preview music, but I think they can use Linux OSS or something similar, or just give the user the preview file to play using MPlayer or Xine, so I think QuickTime isn't that important in porting iTunes.

      If you're only speaking in terms of what it does that can't already be done well by something else in Linux, then yes, iTunes mainly is just for buying stuff from the iTMS. However, the way that's worded, it sounds more like a comment on what people who use iTunes use it for. People who use it, in my experience, do not use it primarily to buy things. It's been the primary MP3 player/organizer on the Mac for most people for years now (probably since SoundJam was discontinued), kind of like how everyone uses WinAmp on Windows, but with a less profoundly odd interface (which is a whole different story...don't get me started on using ZXCVB for play/stop/ff/rw/etc. or how unintuitive that is).

      If it were to be ported, I don't see Apple just porting the store and not the rest of the features iTunes has. From what I've seen, they seem to want to keep everything together in products like that, because the presentation and the total package are a vital part of their image.

      The point of iTunes isn't to buy music, it's to have a completely integrated music experience where everything is handled in a simple, streamlined way with a consistent interface. The only single missing feature from other software is the iTMS, but passing files between different apps in Linux to accomplish the same thing isn't the "Apple way". In iTunes, you can seamlessly buy songs from the iTMS, have them automatically added to your master playlist and your music folder, create a new playlist of songs (even automatically based on criteria you specify, if you want), then burn it to a CD and have it all synced to your iPod, with maybe a dozen mouse clicks, all in the same familiar interface, pretty much straight out of the box.

      So no, it probably wouldn't be that hard to just port the iTMS frontend itself and write something to handle the AAC files (with their minimal DRM...I'm sure there's plenty of stuff to play normal AAC files already), but that just isn't how Apple works. If you don't get the full experience of it, where's the incentive to go out and buy their products in the future? There won't be Linux iTunes unless they can use it to entice enough people to use OS X on Apple hardware to make the cost of porting the full app worth it.

    9. Re:just wondering by denzombie · · Score: 4, Funny
      Support Nightmare:

      Caller: iTunes segfaults when I execute it.

      Phone Agent: What distro are you using.

      Caller: Gentoo.

      PA: Oh, we only support RedHat 7.2

      Caller: Well can you tell me what the dependencies are. I'll just emerge them.

      PA: Ummmm. We only support Red Hat.

      Caller: What about Fedora? I've got a boxen running that.

      PA: Ok, ummm, is that a version of Red Hat?

      Caller: Grrrr. Never Mind

      and so on...

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    10. Re:just wondering by tenton · · Score: 2, Informative

      The back end of iTunes is not really BSD; iTunes is a Carbon application (having migrated from SoundJam on OS 9 to iTunes on OS 9 to the current Carbon application you see on OS X 10.2+). While the Carbon API runs atop a BSD backend (Darwin), Carbon itself isn't part of BSD, nor is it easily ported to Linux.

    11. Re:just wondering by molarmass192 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ummmm, Apple does *not* have an 8% market share. They may have back in 1997 but they now have 2.9% COE (client operating environment) market share to Linux's 2.8% as per IDC. Linux is expected to overtake Apple for the number 2 spot on the desktop early in 2004. To me that means Apple should refuse, now more than ever, to release Quicktime for Linux since that would only help Linux grab and extend it's lead. The good news for Apple is that Linux is only taking market rank from it, not market share, that's coming from the MS piece of the pie. All that market share crap aside, I still want a 17" PowerBook for x-mas!

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    12. Re:just wondering by scorpioX · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. Apple makes ~ 10-15 cents on each song (rumors are they are operating iTMS at a slight loss). I don't think you and a few of your friends buying some songs is enough incentive to port iTunes -- they'd need a few millon Linux users for that.

      2. The high-price of Apple machines is a myth that neeeds to die. You can get a Desktop G4 for around $900, and a laptop for a few hundred more. I think that is well within the financial reach of most people. On the other hand, if you want the top of the line dual G5, you have to be willing to pay for it. Just like you do with Dell, HP or any other PC vendor selling the latest and greatest hardware.

    13. Re:just wondering by AstroDrabb · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought I just read on /. that one of the new Linux based "Smart Phones" has Quicktime support? Apple doesn't need to release the GUI, just the backend processes to work with iTMS and a binary release of QT libraries. Though I doubt Apple will do something like that since their goal is to have you purchase their OS : (

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    14. Re:just wondering by josephpate · · Score: 3, Funny

      You hit the nail on the head. If linux is ever to succeed on the desktop, the distros will have to agree upon one common set of libraries and a common default window manager

      I agree. And that Window Manager should be BlackBox! What's that? You want KDE? And someone else wants Gnome? Ratpoison?

      ......

      We are so screwed.

    15. Re:just wondering by zulux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ummmm, Apple does *not* have an 8% market share.

      Depending on the survey - Apple has anywhere from 2% to 6%.

      I put 8% as it's my hunch that Apple has a larger effective market share when it comes to people who play MP3 and watch movie trailers.

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    16. Re:just wondering by Minderbinder106 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you tried rhythmbox a while ago but haven't lately, do yourself a favor and give it another try. It has gone from a buggy piece of crap to a top notch program in the last three months.

    17. Re:just wondering by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, because business desktops and engineering workstations are right in the middle of iTunes' target audience.

      Get over it. Apple is not going to do your bidding. There will be a Linux client if and when Apple percieves that to be in their interest. Right now, it's not.

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  5. Worthless by mackman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're going to post release notices on /. there either needs to be compelling new features (which should appear in the /. article) or it needs to be the reslease of Duke Nukem Forever.

    1. Re:Worthless by Autumnmist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Changelog of some sort? Or at least some news about improved stability/speed/performance or new features? Anyone?

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    2. Re:Worthless by radicalskeptic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here you go, I don't know if it is detailed enough, but it has more info.
      Quicktime info

      iTunes info

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    3. Re:Worthless by FattMattP · · Score: 2, Informative
      Actually an entirely separate front page section with recent software releases would be a pretty cool thing.
      It already exists right here. It and slashdot are even part of the same family.
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  6. AOL integration, too by radicalskeptic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now people with AOL can just use their screen name to buy songs on iTMS, and it'll be billed to their AOL account.
    ...
    Not that I would know personally now!! I read it on the website, I swear!

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  7. I'll use itunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    when it plays ogg, runs on linux, is devoid of patents, is open source, is GPLed and can first post for me.

    1. Re:I'll use itunes by ejunek · · Score: 5, Informative

      In all seriousness, there seems to be some misconception that iTunes can't play ogg files. Well, I'm not sure about on the PC, but there is a plugin for the Mac that plays ogg files just fine.

    2. Re:I'll use itunes by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 4, Informative

      In all seriousness, there seems to be some misconception that windows-iTunes can't play ogg files. Well, I'm not sure about the parrent, but I know that there is an open source plugin for windows-Quicktime that plays ogg files just fine.

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    3. Re:I'll use itunes by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

      In all seriousness, there seems to be some misconception that iTunes can't play ogg files. Well, I'm not sure about on the the Mac or the PC, but there is a plugin for Amiga that. . . .no, wait. Damn!

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  8. Some more detailed information: by radicalskeptic · · Score: 5, Informative
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  9. So... by phreak03 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are the "new" features.
    For itunes, you can now use your aol login, and aol
    wallet to pay for stuff.

    Quicktime now supports the 3GPP and 3GPP2 standards
    These standards are usefull for Third generation cell phones. They allow transfer of scalled video, sound, text, and just about anything as the yare track based formats.

    (anyone know if the itunes breaks the support for mytunes <www.cowpimp.com> the program that lets you download thru mytumes)**

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  10. and 10.3.2 by scrotch · · Score: 4, Informative


    A new Panther update - to 10.3.2 - is also available from SoftwareUpdate.

    hopefully I can finish downloading it before it gets apple-slashdotted...

    1. Re:and 10.3.2 by scrotch · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:and 10.3.2 by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been reading on some other forums that the new Panther update is increasing the battery life of iBooks and Powerbooks by about an hour. That, right there, is Apple's ability to control its hardware and software together.

  11. jTunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a good java clone of iTunes complete with Rendezvous support.

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/jtunes4/

  12. Re:Changelog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here it is:

    * Change version number from 4.1 to 4.2
    * ????
    * Profit!!!

  13. Re:Also updated today.... by terminal.dk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Non-unix based ?

    Do you know what Mac OS X is ? It is a Window manager running on top of an open source OpenBSD dialect called Darwin. See www.opendarwin.org.

    If Mac OS X is not unix, neither are OpenBSD and Linux.

  14. well i guess its important.. by Suppafly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If we are going to keep up with every point release of apache, bsd, linux kernel, etc.. we might as well start keeping track of point release updates of quicktime and itunes as well..

  15. Re:Also updated today.... by TheViffer · · Score: 5, Informative

    >A non-unix based software program

    Ummm ....

    Non-Unix Operating system?

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  16. Here's what's new in QT 6.5 by savetz · · Score: 4, Informative

    QuickTime 6.5 delivers a number of new features and important updates, including:
    - Creation and playback of mobile multimedia in the new 3GPP2 format.
    - Creation and playback of mobile multimedia in the popular AMC format.
    - Improved text track support.
    - Enhanced DV playback options.
    - Enhanced support for iMovie, iDVD, and Final Cut Pro.

  17. Re:QT: Linux client? by renelicious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah this is really annoying to me. I mean I can remember sometime back when Steve Jobs said "We love open source". However now that its time to show it, where is Apple. They wouldn't even have to write a client, if they would just release a (closed source is fine) quicktime/iTunes ACC lib.

    I would run to a Windows box or Mac to buy songs as long as I could just play them on my Linux box, that's all I'm askin for.

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  18. Re:Also updated today.... by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Same reason every tiny (.z) point release of Linux is front page news here - because the Geek Collective has deemed it cool.

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn't - but it definitely isn't "stuff that matters".

  19. good job... by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You've basically summed up why a lot of good commercial software doesn't exists for linux. Photoshop anyone? This isn't meant to be a troll, but he makes the point that companies want to release closed source software without jumping through hurdles. However, this is not an attack on Linux, but more so on the distros for not agreeing on standards. Make standards, then compete. This is why people hate internet explorer so much, it broke away from standards and tried to make the www a microsoft application.

    But I'm not trying to be negative, things are improving...

  20. Re:How come by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bzzzzt! So sorry!

    iChat
    iPhoto
    Final Cut
    Keynote
    DVD Studio
    Soundtrack
    WebObjects
    Streaming Server
    Broadcaster
    Remote Desktop
    AppleScript
    Panther

    Not to mention the hardware:

    AirPort Extreme
    iSight

    No problems with lowercase t -- in fact, I daresay the opposite is the case. :)

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  21. Help for you by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, here's a hint - If you load iTunes and hit that button that looks liek a triangle on its side - you can now play your "worthless" AAC files!

    Man that must have been frustrating downloading all those songs and not knowing what to do next. Once you learn this "triangle trick" you might find you are able to play music on all sorts of things you couldn't before!! Those shiny discs at Target? They all have music on them as well as it turns out, once you slip them into that funny looking box in the middle of your car that until now has only emitted the tortured sounds of radio DJ's.

    No need to thank me for opening the wide world of music to you.

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  22. Re:Changelog? by adamwright · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's new in iTunes 4.2

    iTunes 4.2 allows you to sign in and buy music from the iTunes Music Store using either your AOL or Apple Account, view the iTunes Music Store in a separate window, and includes a number of performance improvements.

    (And yes, that really was the extent of the changes listed in the help and readme after I downloaded it).

  23. Re:Fullscreen is a feature by OmniVector · · Score: 4, Informative

    i know. i hate apple! it's not like you can't find any free alternatives with fullscreen built in that even play more media formats by default.

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  24. Re:Fullscreen is a feature by clifyt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Quicktime ***PLAYER*** won't allow it to play in fullscreen. Its a minor annoyance, one that doesn't bother anyone, and is designed to allow the much beleagered (did I get it right) and always on the verge of bankruptcy company to collect cash so Microsoft won't have to 'bail them out' again. I think I summed up all the generally Apple conspiracies :-)

    But, with a simple legal download, one that doesn't require a crack, one can get another media player that runs pretty much as yet another quicktime skin, and you can get fullscreen for free. I'm surprised your brother decided he had to break a licensing agreement to get this.

    I on the other hand, felt $29 was a steal for QTPro and picked it up without giving it a second thought.

  25. Re:QT: Linux client? by protohiro1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why, oh why do we have an MPEG-4 standard if no one wants to use it? Mpeg-4 works under most movie players (including the DivX player). And quicktime comes with an ecoder. What's not to like?

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  26. Re:Changelog? by hpavc · · Score: 5, Informative

    forget about AOL support ... you can group tracks now! awesome

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  27. Re:Changelog? by The+Limp+Devil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It still doesn't minimize to the tray (single most common complaint on Windows), but maximize does make it full screen now. Otherwise there's no discernible diffeence.

  28. Re:Fullscreen is a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or make a 7-line AppleScript

    on open fileName
    tell application "QuickTime Player"
    activate
    open fileName
    present movie 1
    end tell
    end open

    Drag a movie onto the script icon and it plays full screen.

    Idiot.

  29. Re:A request... by All+Names+Have+Been · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could we tack on the end of these little iTunes stories that no Linux version is available still? Thanks.

    Why should we do that when you're doing such a good job?

  30. what? by microcars · · Score: 3, Funny
    ...hit that button that looks liek(sic) a triangle on its side...

    ???

    What does a Triangle on its side look like anyways?

    I don't see a button that looks like this: -

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  31. Breaking news from the math frontier... by jared_hanson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists have figured out how to sucessfully reconstruct a circle given only two points.

    And some other, related headlines...

    Slashdot moderators continue to consume crack in mass quantities.

    The parent post is decidedly not funny.

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  32. Update spree by krray · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the recent up to 10.1.3 the application load time has gotten even _faster_ (among other things :). Now these updates. It's usually FUN to update the Mac the see what's new.

    Throw in the Linux 2.6 kernel and it's going to be a fun Christmas.

    Isn't it ironical that at the same time I'm dreading the next Windows update that is always coming down the pike (being the sysadmin over seeing all such systems on the network :).

    At least Apple makes this SEEM fun. New in the iTunes application menu -- a link to:
    HotTips

  33. Re:Then prove it. by vorpal22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux arguably has a larger installed base of desktop users than Apple

    Highly doubtful. And even if this *was* the case, due to the fact that Mac OS X comes with iTunes, the majority of Mac users also use iTunes. If a Linux version were to be released, there's no reason for us to believe, apart from possibly facilitating uploading to an iPod, that even a fraction of Linux users would choose iTunes.

    I hardly think it's the case that Apple "supports" Windows. I think it's more like Apple is trying to make its product (the iPod) available to as large an audience as possible in as convenient a fashion as they can manage, and seeing as the majority of computer users are Windows users, this seems like a sound marketing strategy to me.

    I've come to the conclusion that due to the diversity of Linux (which is one of its so called strengths), in terms of things like GUIs, DEs, distros, etc..., the lack of standardization makes it virtually impossible for a company to provide a product, along with support, for Linux users. There's just too many inconsistencies from one distro and desktop to the next. And I think it's likely that even if Apple did release a version of iTunes that relied on, say, Qt, then you'd hear griping from the GTK+ community as to why Apple didn't support GTK+.

    Personally, I'd highly recommend your next computer being a Mac running OS X. I'm typing this from my new PowerBook (which I've had for about a week now) and I'm loving it. I used to be a Linux advocate, but with the release of OS X, I'm not looking back (well, except for servers). My opinion is that Mac OS X is not without its faults, but it has far fewer faults than Linux or Windows... and it's just such a relief to play with applications that are usable and have been designed with the intention of being usable, unlike nightmares like the GIMP (powerful, but impossible for an amateur to accomplish the simplest tasks as I can attest to) or the KDE control panel (the most convoluted thing I've ever seen in my life).

  34. Re:Changelog? by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Performance improvements are a serious thing, though. I seem to remember the main gripe when iTunes for Windows was first released was mediocre-at-best performance.

    How big are the performance improvements, has anyone gotten the chance to try this under windows?

  35. Mac OS X much more than BSD core by NonaMyous · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's true that OS X shares a common set of low level APIs with the BSD's and Linux. But OS X is much more than this core set of APIs. There's Carbon, QuickTime, Cocoa and so on.

    iTunes makes extensive use of Carbon and QuickTime. It would be non-trivial to port iTunes to a platform without these APIs.

  36. Re:Updates timing by HeghmoH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Resist your fondness for shiny objects and don't install updates the instant they come out. Wait a few hours, or even days, then install. That way you can install them all at once.

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  37. Re:almost unrelated Quicktime question by mcc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MPEG, and if you pay the 30 dollars for Quicktime Pro Quicktime should be able to export to MPEG from any format it plays for you, i'm pretty sure.

  38. Fantastic. by endquotedotcom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Installed the update on WinXP, rebooted, and no iTunes won't start. Nothing at all happens, really. Awesome patch.

  39. Could've been an even shorter submission by DrewCapu · · Score: 2, Funny
    if...
    usr122122121 writes "iTunes 4.2 and QuickTime 6.5 were released today, available by Apple's Site and Software Update (respectively)."

    were reduced to:

    usr122122121 writes "iT 4.2 & QT 6.5 released today @ Apple and SU."

    Heck, if usr122122121's nickname weren't so long he could've gone for the first ever (?) one-line /. story!
  40. More releases... by radicalskeptic · · Score: 2, Informative
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  41. Re:Changelog? by thatnerdguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Look for Itunes-sidekick. It's a plugin for Itunes for Windows that adds, among other things, minimizing to the tray.

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  42. Re:QT: Linux client? by mcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple said they love open source. Not that they love linux. Apple is using materials from open source projects such as BSD and Konqueror, and they are contributing code back to those same projects. I don't see why this means they have an obligation to write some big complicated AAC library for UNIX when the UNIX OSes don't even seem to have a totally homogenous way to playback sound.

    I'd concentrate on seeing what you can do to get Wine to accept iTunes if you want to use iTunes Music Store in Linux.

    If you really want something native, MPlayer can play AAC already. All it needs to play iTMS purchases is to get past the DRM wrapper. The DRM wrapper on iTMS purchases is the technology sold by a company called "Fairplay". Perhaps you could try contacting Fairplay and asking if you could license their tech for playback in MPlayer? Or even better, you could perhaps just contact Apple directly and say you are interested in writing code to add iTMS playback support to MPlayer, and you would be willing to go under NDA and such... Wait, what's that you say? You don't have the time or linux programming knowledge to add FairPlay support to MPlayer? Well, apparently neither does Apple.

  43. You're missing the big picture. by Paradox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hmmm.

    Linux DOES probably have more machines on its side. However, that's not necessarily relevant. Linux's overwhelming number of machines is not because they have a gadzillion desktop users. They run a lot of servers. When it comes to Linux desktop usage, I've yet to see a figure that puts it significantly ahead of Apple in desktop use.

    Feel free to show me some reliable figures to prove me wrong on this.

    People running servers don't need fancy MP3 playing software. The majority of deployed linux boxes are servers. So long as tenant 2 holds, the majority of linux boxes wouldn't run iTunes.

    Apple supports iTunes with Windows for some good reasons. Firstly, it's the same reason that BeOS started supporting x86 machines. They like money, money is good, and therefore they try and get more of it. The huge spike in iTMS sales suggests this was a good move. Secondly, Quicktime was already out for Windows. Since iTunes relies on Quicktime, their sound code should be trivially portable.

    The third is a bit more uncertain. Apple was originally capable of moving OpenSTEP code to Windows via Rhapsody. I'm willing to bet there was some weight there.

    MS isn't actively trying to destroy Apple any more than it's trying to destroy everyone else. MS is too faceless to get personal with things, so don't take it personally. They're a mega-giant that steps on people every day, they can't help it. They're just intrinsically Big Business.

    As for not contributing back to the open source movment. Umm.. hello? Apple has kicked back a lot of stuff to the open source community. Apple really doesn't owe Linux in particular anything. Apple owes most of itself to BSDs.

    The fact is, you reconsidered and changed your mind based on unreasonable standards and data. If you don't want an Apple computer, that's your call. Many people would argue it's your loss though.

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  44. I choo-choo-choose you by filmsmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since it was your post that broke my camels back, I'm going to bitch to you. If you don't want to read about a point release, DON'T! You didn't HAVE to come in here and bitch about having to come in here and bitch!

    Let the modding commence.

    fs

  45. Re:WAHOO! by Funksaw · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're on a dial up, keep in mind that these aren't exactly "must have" updates if you're not an AOL customer. 50 megs is alot, but let's face it, you can easily wait till 10.4. The only stuff you really NEED are the security updates.

    And since you can set this thing to download overnight, unless you're so rural as to be paying toll-calls to a dialup ISP, 50 megs can be done in 1 or 2 nights, since Apple Update supports resuming (TTBOMR)

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  46. Re:Changelog? by allgood2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple's Read Me's are always notably lacking information on specific changes, possible because parts of the read me display in the software update and installers. Anyway, Apple often releases specific details as part of its knowledge base.

    My quick review of changes in iTunes 4.2 on Mac OS X (sorry won't have access to a Win2k machine until next week), these are the immediate changes I notice:

    Hot Tips
    http://www.apple.com/itunes/hottips/
    Apple introduced hot tips on creating Smart Playlist, keyboard shortcuts, copy song, artist, and album urls from the iTunes Music Store, etc.

    Grouping
    Under song details, there is now a new ID3 tag called grouping. I'm not certain if this will allow for subcategories, or can be used for things such as Celebrity Playlist so songs from multiple albums can be grouped. I'll have to play with it. Also added to Smart Playlist queries.

    Artwork
    Added scaler to artwork, so images can be scaled up or down to fit album space area.

    Playlist from Selection
    For those who complained about queue-ing songs, I imagine this feature will come in handy, as well as for other purposes as well. Allows you to Command-Select (Click) on random songs in your library then create a playlist from them, immediately.

    Music Store in New Window
    Double-clicking will launch the music store in a new window (yeah).

    iTMS: Music Essentials
    Like Celebrity playlist, but collections of "iTunes Essential" music in categories I wouldn't have imagined, including Disco Ball Essentials and Coctail Party Kitsch--yet more ways to spend even more money.

    iTMS: AOL Sessions
    Added more music "exclusives" basically various performances by artist for AOL can now be purchased.

    iTMS: AOL Users
    Tons of direct access stuff for AOL users. Which, if they can do this for AOL, maybe they could do it for other venues, like artist who do live concert releases.

    iTMS: Artist Self-Released Albums (Return of the EP)
    This was there before, but some artist like Pearl Jam who are self published are and can now release stuff directly to the iTMS. I also noticed John Mayer's "As Is" is not attributed to Sony or any music label (which may indicate that it was also self-published). Ben Folds have also been doing a number of quick EPs, but they are all still published attributed to EPIC. It will be interesting to see if more artist start releasing EPs with 4-5 songs exclusively for iTMS or other music stores, and then have regular albums published every 1-2yrs.

    These were the things I noticed immediately. Now I need to go and play and see what else comes up.

  47. Re:Updates timing by redwoodtree · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can't please all the people all the time. If they release a jumbo patch a bunch of people complain about why they couldn't have been broken up so they could pick and choose what they want to install.

    If they release it in pieces then everyone complains about having to install in chunks. People just love to gripe I guess it's human nature.

  48. Re:MP3 not AAC? by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
    Come on, lets try doing some homework before posting.

    You're joking right? Most people come here to avoid homework.

  49. Re:Updates timing by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Switch Software Update to only check for updates once a month, and you can have all of your updates at once, if it really causes you "madness."

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  50. Re: This ain't even news by atheken · · Score: 2, Interesting

    actually, there was a Winamp 5 story (yesterday?)

  51. Re:iTunes is the Devil by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Wait a second, as I understand it, iTunes Music Store also sells music from independent, non-RIAA labels, including some which give a substantially larger cut to the artists. I think iTunes has its flaws, but it's hardly fair to blame them for the fact that there is demand for music sold by RIAA-member labels. I agree the "system" of the RIAA sucks and is exploitative, but it's an exploitation the artists willingly buy into in exchange for access to radio station play, promotional dollars and the perks and advances you get with a big name record label.


    Blaming Apple for this system is crazy - it's a shitty system, but there's plenty of blame to go around. I'd rather buy music legally from good bands that put effort into making quality albums where I get my moneys worth, whether I buy online or at stores, and focus my effort on defeating the unconstitutional measures the entertainment industry has supported (the DMCA for example) to keep their monopoly and prevent me from using the music that I already legally bought.

  52. Mirrors by baximus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Mirrors available at PlanetMirror for both:
    • iTunes 4.2 HTTP | FTP | RSYNC: rsync://rsync.planetmirror.com/apple/iTunes/
    • Quicktime 6.5 HTTP | FTP | RSYNC: rsync://rsync.planetmirror.com/quicktime/qt6.5/
  53. Re:Changelog? by Quikah · · Score: 2, Informative

    My crappy P3-500 256MB system at work runs it about the same as before, still pretty slow, but it works. They changed the Maximize button behavior, now it actually maximizes the window instead of toggling the mini-player. I actually liked the previous behavior, I rarely maximize windows, don't see the point usually.

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  54. Re:iTunes is the Devil by rsmith-mac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While I applaud DownHillBattle for their efforts, their efforts seem to be largely composed of swinging a big mase around, hoping they hit something they should, and hoping no one notices when they hit something they shouldn't. DHB is correct, for example, in that the iTMS is built on the RIAA's terms, and helps the RIAA a bit in that way, but they also make several arguable/incorrect statements about things such as AAC compression, and how Apple gets such a large share of the sale(remember, Apple isn't making any money on the iTMS, their share pays for the bandwidth, the CC transaction, and just barely supporting the store itself). Their "solution" isn't doing their cause much good either, asking Apple to list the artist's share of the sale(something not possible, Apple has agreements with the label, not the artist; the label gets to dicate the share and doesn't have to tell a soul), and encouraging users to instead using things like Poisioned(an OSS Kazaa client) to acquire their music instead.

    I can't fault DHB for trying, but I can fault them for not trying hard enough. The site seems built more on FUD than facts, and a little bit of something resembling backmail is there too(That could really change the industry. (and we promise we'll take down the iTunes iSbogus page)).

  55. Re:Fullscreen support? by derdesh · · Score: 2

    On the QuickTime download page, fullscreen playback is listed as the number one reason to give Apple US$30 to upgrade to QuickTime Pro.

  56. Re:Still waiting... by mcwop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't get it becuase the songs cost .99 cents U.S., which is $1.31598 Canadian as of today. Imgaine the nightmare of that marketing campaign.

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  57. Re:Wal-Mart Launches $0.88 Download Service by NaugaHunter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IT'S ONLY CENSORSHIP WHEN THE GOVERNMENT RESTRICTS SPEECH, Mr. Wolf-cryer.

    So if your ISP starts blocking web sites they disagree with, it isn't censorship? If your local tv station blanks out part of a show they deem inappropriate, it isn't censorship? After all, they aren't the government.

    I will agree that Walmart is in their rights to sell only certain versions, as long as they post this fact. But that doesn't change the fact that it can be the start of a long slippery slope.

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  58. Re:QT: Linux client? by raydaniels · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm guessing that the reason they haven't ported Quicktime to Linux has more to do with the licenses for all the codecs that Quicktime depends on (from other vendors) and not any fault really of Apple's. Quicktime without all the codecs wouldn't really be Quicktime, and it's likely not in Apple's interest to dilute their brand for no good reason.

  59. Now that AOLers can buy iTunes music... by phillymjs · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I guess this will be the most popular download within the next few days.

    ~Philly

  60. Re:Quicktime sucks. Who cares? by derubergeek · · Score: 5, Informative
    Yeah - Quicktime is such a POS that MPEG-4 is based on it. Bunch of losers.

    Really - before you start ranting you should at least bother to learn something about the subject. You can write plugins for QT. There is technical documentation at Apple's Quicktime developer's site, and you can download both Windows & Mac SDKs. Also, check sourceforge for other QT Components.

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  61. Some changes I noticed in windows by lune+tns · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First: My beloved 'player-control' window is now accessible only by using 'ctrl+m'. The standard windows 'maximize' button now sets iTunes up to full screen.

    Second: One performance increase I noticed immediately is that it's no longer lagging when scrolling through large library lists. I have 3500+ mp3s in there, and the previous version was very choppy when scrolling. The update seems to have fixed that.

  62. HD use ok by djupedal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What??? ....I mean...what a crock.

    The HD's in iPods are some of Toshiba's best laptop drives, and there's no way you can 'burn out the hard drive' by booting from it...sheez.

  63. Re:Fullscreen support? by scaryfish · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, you do not need to pay to get fullscreen. At least, not if you use a mac.

    Try the following AppleScript:

    tell application "QuickTime Player"
    activate
    set request to display dialog "Select a scaling, fool!" with icon note buttons {"normal", "double", "screen"} default button "screen"
    if button returned of request is "normal" then
    present movie 1 scale normal
    else if button returned of request is "double" then
    present movie 1 scale double
    else if button returned of request is "screen" then
    present movie 1 scale screen
    end if
    end tell
  64. Everyone missed the point! by azpcox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The big news is that these were items that could have been announced at MacWorld SF. instead, they are released now.

    What does Steve have up his sleeve for then?

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  65. Wrong by WiseWeasel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, you're partially wrong. They are encoded by the labels and/or their distributors, but not from CD (in most cases). Apple has said that they encourage submitters to encode from the original masters, and that most are. The lowest quality you can find on the iTMS is ripped from CD, but most songs available are encoded from the DAT masters directly to 48 kHz 128 kbit AAC.

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  66. Re:Quicktime sucks. Who cares? by green+pizza · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quicktime is a media wrapper with gobs of supported codecs and track types (it even supports a special text track for that MIDI karaoke fomat that never really took off). DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro, and the OS X version of Shake are all very heavily QT-based. (As are iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, and even iPhoto).

    The "Quicktime Player" is just a free front-end demo sort of thing that doesn't want to die. Seeing how Apple has published all the specs for the QT framework, I'm amazed someone hasn't written a nicer player frontend.

    Most people only use QT for DV25/DVCPro25 and DV50/DVCPro50 video editing (and futher down the data path, MPEG2 for output). Be it at home from their MiniDV camera in iMovie and output to DVD via iDVD or a pro using Final Cut and DVD Studio.

    Soooo many of .mov files I ran across on the net use the worst possible codecs (maybe for better compatibility?) usually cinepak, which hasn't changed since Quicktime 1.0 in 1991. But then, that's not any worse than the people that output to AVI using something like the crusty old Indeo 1 codec... equal ass quality.

    I don't hate QT, it's part of what makes Macs and their applications a more sane world, but I do with QT had a few more codecs and wish there were some better frontends/players. (There were gobs of third-party/shareware/freeware QT player frontends back in the oldschool classic Mac OS days... but very few for OS X).

  67. But you still have to PAY for fullscreen by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing that baffles me with Quicktime is that you still have to PAY to have the privilage of doing what every other free player out there already does... show a movie in fullscreen.

    I'm all for Quicktime charging to be able to author quicktime movies, but to be able to watch them in fullscreen baffles me.

    (And I love how on their website they demonstrate it as some amazing feature to be able to do so and call it their 'Theatre' mode or some such crud...)

    1. Re:But you still have to PAY for fullscreen by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Just to nitpick...what you're paying for is the pro version of Quicktime Player, which is the included movie-player program, not the Quicktime architecture itself.


      Quicktime (the architecture) supports full-screen video regardless of whether you upgrade the Player to the Pro version or not. If you don't want to pay to use Apple's QT Player, just use a different player program (mplayer, etc.). They're just different front-ends on the same 'guts,' and the guts are free.

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  68. Re:woah, cool, MOD PARENT UP by scaryfish · · Score: 3, Informative
    I should point out that the original script was by Mikey-San.

    I did make a few modifications, however.

  69. Toshiba 1.8" laptop drive specs (iPod too) by djupedal · · Score: 3, Informative

    1.8-inch HDD
    40.0 GB:
    MK4004GAH

    Lightweight, only 62 grams
    Low Power Consumption
    15ms Average Seek Time
    100MB/s Ultra DMA Transfer Rate
    300,000 MTTF Hours

    Sounds like a laptop drive to me...and a good one too! One that doesn't know the difference between audio, OS files, games or video...knock yourself out.

    Run it all you want, that's what the warranty/extended warranty is for. One year from Toshiba to Apple to you...more if you have Apple Care, CompUSA, etc.

  70. Booting OK according to Apple by Ffakr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Um.. Apple publicly states that one prefered way to image xServes is to boot from your iPod and then copy an image from it. Apple had the Genetech guys up on stage at WWDC hawking iPods because they use them to configure their clusters.
    so.. Apple says it's OK to boot from it and iPodHacks says Apple says you can't boot from it.

    Hmn.. who to believe, who to believe?

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  71. Re:Where is sort by path anf filename? by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yup. Your trying to fight iTunes instead of letting it work for and with you.

    Why would you have two instances of the same song on your machine unless they were from different albums, different encodings, or sample rates or such? iTunes just did you a favor, it found you some wasted hard drive space. Delete the duplicate(s) and move on.
    If they aren't exact duplicates then use the "View Options" to add the appropriate colums to the display so you can discerne the differences between the tracks.
    iTunes stores enough tag and other meta information that you should never have to sort files manually. Manual and smart playlists are tremendously powerful, especially when you can create smart playlists based on the contents of the "comments" box for each track. For example, I use terms like "male female group solo singing instrumental acoustic live remix" in the comments field. I have several smart playlists that sort on these, such as "live group rock"; this is powerful voodoo.

    To backup your comments and such, simply copy the "iTunes 4 Music Library" file. You can later restore it to the appropriate place and all will be well.

    Chances are that if you are going to "move my data on my machine to another location" that you would be moving the entire location of your "my documents" folder. iTunes would then look for its file(s) relative to that new location. If you DO just want to move the iTunes database, simply use a shortcut (alias to MAc users, symlink to BSD heads).

    Unless you are a geek who wants to tweak, there's little to no reason for iTunes to complicate matters by offering alternate locations for the database. The standard options allow for a centralized store of music, and each user to maintain their own ratings, comments, etc.

    The window maximize thing is annoying. It doesn't even work on the Mac like it's supposed to (hold Option, click the window zoom button). To make a maximized iTunes window you have to manually drag the window to size. Apple does occasionally break its own HIG documents, and this is one of those occasions.

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  72. Wow. This is interesting. Let's continue. by Paradox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    First, I'd like to say how refreshing it is to converse with someone who can actually think their argument through. Even if I don't agree with you, I still am going to tip my hat.

    [I am posting this Anonymously so I don't lose karma from the slashdot army of mactivists. Anyway, I am not the same AC who started this thread.]

    However, 10 points lost for giving a damn about slashdot karma. :P Anyways...

    All your article says is that it's hard to count linux users. Claiming it's uncertain does nothing for your argument, so I'll just move along. It's also important to note that not all linux users, even in the desktop realm, are going to be iTunes users. The linux world is very diverse, I think we can all agree.

    Keep in mind that unlike OS X, Linux can be run on old machines, new machines and everything in between (including old Macs). In addition, every Mac and Windows machine out there is a potential Linux machine. With the easy availability of low-to-no cost Linux distributions, it is nearly impossible to actually estimate the real number of desktops out there. Every estimate I have ever seen has always had the caveat that the real number is going to be a lot higher.

    Err, this kind of thinking is pretty standard, and it's also why Apple is doing quite well right now. Who gives a damn about the machines? I'll say it again, in bold: Who gives a damn what the machines can do? The answer is people like me, who are engineers.

    Most machines are potential linux machines. However, most users are not potential Linux users! This is important. A machine may be capable, but if a user isn't, then who cares?

    Apple sure doesn't. Apple has philosophy and style, but at the end of the day, they have a bank account that needs to be full enough to pay their engineers.

    Umm, we don't need QT for playing MP3's, we need it to play those trailers and movies that so many people thoughtlessly throw up on the web in that closed format. Luckily as with most things we have circumvented vendor idiocy using other means, but Apple's refusal still grates.

    Umm. Tell me, because I'm interested... How should Apple implement a consistent product on Linux. Remember, Apple's entire marketing strategy is based around the EXPERIENCE of use, and its consistency. These are important things.

    Should apple use SDL? Straight OpenGL? Make their own library? What GUI toolkit? GTK+? Motif? Should it be a KDE App? A Gnome App? Neither?

    Apple cannot make a consistant and reasonable player app in Linux. If they choose toolkits and run with it, they get nailed. If they make their own toolkits, they get nailed.

    This is not even mentioning the huge amount of porting they'd need to do.

    As for your complaints about movie trailers, I suggest you get over it. There is a small price to pay for freedom man. When I started using Linux, I couldn't even watch movies at all.

    What Apple is doing with Quicktime is no better or worse than what MS and Real are doing. They're trying to make money with a quality video/audio encoder and decoder. The end quality of the product isn't important, it's the intention that dictates the reasoning here.

    And how much money does Apple make with their free Windows Quicktime viewer again? You do recall that is what we are talking about here?

    They make money by spreading the quicktime decoder and convincing people to use it. Then professionals (you know, commercial use of software to make products) will buy the encoder software to publish their work.

    Do you remember how business works?

    Ok, then, why isn't there a QT player for FreeBSD?

    Umm. For the same reason there isn't a Linux one. I'm sorry, Apple has kicked back to the community in other areas. Areas that are arguably more important than a media player.

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  73. Re:Where is sort by path anf filename? by gryphokk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Itunes HAS to write to the "my documents" directory - this is annoying - i can't specify another location.

    You can specify any browsable location you like.

    Edit:Preferences:Advanced lets you choose your iTunes Music Folder Location.

    (On the Mac) I set permissions wide open on my main user's (me) music folder. Then I set all the other users' (my daughters) iTunes folder to my folder. Voila! We all have access to all our music. IF they rip it, download it or buy it, I've got it -- without having to duplicate drive space consumption for everyone to have Led Zeppelin. (Course then I get to wade through all their Ani and Shania, but likewise they have to put up with my ELP and Tchaikovsky.)

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