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iRiver Adds Ogg To Audio Player Firmware
Sesse writes "iRiver has just released firmware updates for its iFP-300T and iFP-500T flash memory-based audio player series. According to a news story on their site, this update includes features 'supporting the Ogg file format', so it looks like iRiver
can finally be added to the quickly growing list of
Vorbis-capable
hardware!"
Does it play ogg?
I will propose that this product line consists largely of unreliable junk.
In general, one can plot a direct correlation between the language used in product literature and the manuals and PR releases, etc. versus the functionality and build quality of the said product line.
The articles on iRiver's site as well as their product specifications are full of mistakes and rideculous grammer/spelling mistakes. If a company can't spend a couple hundred bucks on a copy editor (or an educated native speaker) to communicate the product clearly and professionally then most likely they won't didn't spend jack shit on product quality or detail, either.
One day I had some grad students dig through boxes of "failed" peripherals in the back of the lab. Over half of them contained poorly written literature.
'Nough said. BTW, I have a Ph.D, so basic logic/deduction is not exactly foreign to me.
CONCLUSIONG: BUY AN iPOD INSTEAD!
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one more nail in the coffin of recording artists. not that i'm suprised. take a moment to think about the poor musicians freezing out in the street while you sit around the fire sipping eggnog and listening to pirated music on your new MP3 play this christmas you smug fucks.
I wish I'd known about this only 2 or 3 hours ago, I could have picked something up for my special someone.
One thing to note, though, is that if you encode your Ogg to reasonable quality (500Kbps) this patch isn't going to support you, so you will have to use a converter (they will soon provide for free) to actually downsample the music. I guess it's portable, so it isn't like I'm listening to the stuff through expensive high-quality speakers, but it is an extra step.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
the IMP series (though not sure which models) is what I'm waiting for. If that wasn't promised, I'd try to find a reader in Korea who'd be willing to help me import a Samsung Yepp ogg-capable CD player.
Shame about the 96kbs floor, though -- that's far more than I need for audiobooks. Still, CDs are cheap enough I should not complain.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
If Apple is so pro-open source, when are they going to add Ogg Vorbis to the iPod?
..except for one fact. I've already got my heart set on a mini ipod. Can anyone compare the pro/cons of the iPod and the iRiver players?
...something tells me that hot redhead has no idea what an iRiver is, much less ogg-vorbis. I bet she knows what an iPod is!
Please help metamoderate.
...right?
How about adding AAC support? And making it work with iTunes?
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
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But producers of audio-playback devices are stuck with a problem: because the vast bulk of digital sound out there stored on PCs is in MP3 format, they have to support MP3, and both Microsoft and Apple are not helping by pushing users to their own particular patented formats, thus providing little incentive to support an open format. This causes problems: it encourages people to continue using the closed formats, and that in turn encourages manufacturers to only support the closed formats. This is wrong, seriously wrong, and serious issues of liberty - both personal and civil - are at stake here. For without an open format, the plug can be pulled.
This quagmire of open formats dying because they need to dominate the market before they can dominate the market will not disappear by itself. Resources need to be devoted, and unless people are prepared to actually act, not just talk about it on Slashdot, nothing will ever get done. Apathy is not an option.
You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman or senator. Tell them that free and open music is important to you. Tell them that you appreciate the work being done by the open source and free software communities to create an infrastructure that will support truly free - as in liberty - music, but that if the problem of lack of commercial support for open file formats is not resolved, you will be forced to use less and less secure and intelligently designed alternatives. Let them know that SMP may make or break whether you can efficiently deploy OpenBSD on your workstations and servers. Explain the concerns you have about freedom, openness, and choice, and how patented file formats harms all three. Let them know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on their policies on open file formats.
You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.
KMSMA (WWBD?)
Yes, It's called Eggn'Ogg
Help fight continental drift.
It appears that these players only have internal flash memory. So, I'm guessing that they're not expandable?
In any case, are these Mac compatible? If they can be setup as a universal-storage USB device (?), I would think so.
Alex Bischoff
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Right now I am getting good use out of gnupod/gtkpod for my iPod, but would love to see more vendor support from day one for linux.
You do not have to use Linux to appreciate Vorbis;-)
Help fight continental drift.
Remind me again how AAC, the audio codec from MPEG-4, is "their own patented format"? Explain also how AAC is somehow not "good enough for music[sic]-based audio"? How is it that Dolby labs, renown for their contributions to audio quality since the early 1970's (Dolby A, B, C, HX, etc. NR) are somehow not smart enough to help build a truly "audio-quality" codec?
I'm obviously mistaking these guys as people who know something about audio. I suppose these are issues better settled by my congressman and/or senator, who are no doubt well-versed in the intricacies of noise-masking, audibility thresholds, and data compression algorithms.
Tim
I hate to break it to you, but being patented and being open are not mutually exclusive.
MP3 and ACC, like pretty much everything else that comes out of the MPEG, are pattented, but the formats are completely open and well documented complete with sample code.
Their liscences are focused on getting money, for the algorythims they spent their time and money developing, from the people who make money off of their work: comercial software and streaming systems with thousands of clients. They generally don't charge any fees, or even require any contact, from small free projects.
I'm all for open source, but this feeling that it's wrong for people to get paid for their hard work is just plain bullshit.
so it looks like iRiver can finally be added to the quickly growing list of Vorbis-capable hardware!"
:)
Professor Voice: Good news everyone! Ogg Vorbis doubled their hardware list this year! There are now two compatible players.
I kid, I kid. As an iPod owner and Windows/OS X user, MP3 and AAC meet my needs. I could get Vorbis players for my desktop and laptop computers, but I'd also miss out on tossing that odd MP3 file to a friend.
I have a hard enough time trying to get my tech savvy friends to use anyting but WinAmp 2 or MS Media Player, so the task of educating them on Vorbis and getting their systems setup doesn't appear to me.
You go iRiver, hope this leads to more momentum and other meida players adding Ogg support too!
As for AAC being "not good enough for music[sic]-based audio". That claim appears nowhere in my comment. Nor was music misspelt, either in what you quoted and followed by [sic], or in the instances of the word in my comment.
I did say that Dolby's AC3 is good, but not considered good enough for music based audio. AC3 is a codec oriented towards the requirements of movies. Regardless of whether you consider it an acceptable container for music (most, I suspect, would rather use Ogg, AAC, MP3, or WMA), it's patented, requires licensing, and therefore subject to the same complaints as AAC, MP3, and WMA.
KMSMA (WWBD?)
...ogg on its face?
Tim
I want mp4 already!
This voting crap obviously means very little when really large corporate money weighs in. The debacle in Florida has really confirmed my worse fears about the state of "democracy" in this country. If you want to effect change in this country give money and do what you can to manipulate the media. Get off your own rear and read "The Prince" you naive pollyanna
Please note that iRiver has actually had a multimedia player capable of playing OGG Vorbis files for quite some time now. I refer to their iHP-120, their 20GB hard drive player. Nevertheless, it's nice to see OGG Vorbis support on their flash devices as well now.
Nobody is saying it's immoral to have closed formats (and yes, a codec/format that requires a license is not "open" in the sense that Ogg is.) What we're saying is that we need at least one genuinely open, as in anyone can use it, it's free as in liberty, codec that's universally supported.
Bravo, you managed to write a large amount there without really saying anything. What are you trying to get at? What are we voting for and writing to congressman about?
It's not the governments right to tell audio playback manufacturers what to support nor is it governments right to say Apple, Microsoft, and Farunhoffer are not allowed to patent their formats. They worked just as hard as the ogg vorbis team to develop theirs, and they deserve to do what they see fit with their format.
Or perhaps you intend to use the government to force broadcasters of digital content to use open formats for audio. It's shady enough forcing them to broadcast in digital as it is.. now you want the government to force them to use a certain digital format? If it was my business I'd want the right to broadcast how and what I choose, so long as I abide by the regulations of the FCC in what frequencies I use. Frequency allocation is all they should be controlling as chaos would ensue and no wireless communication at all would be reliable if they did not.
Perhaps it's DRM you want them to vote against. Again I must defend the rights of the music and movie industry to use DRM, however in as much as I defend their rights to use I I'll defend your right to not buy hardware or listen to/watch content broadcast in a drm enabled format. I don't support the government forcing people to use DRM anymore than I support the government forcing them not to.
Legislating an open format to popularity is just as wrong as the opposing side using law to make such formats illegal or ensure they remain unpopular.
Perhaps none of these was your point and I completely missed it. If I did please make it clearer what your point was. Ogg vorbis support in digital audio players is being adopted very quickly. Check the list yourself! I was amazed when I saw just how many players support the format.
Oh, and one more thing..
This is wrong, seriously wrong, and serious issues of liberty - both personal and civil - are at stake here. For without an open format, the plug can be pulled.
Please elborate on how this plug can be pulled exactly when there are millions of mp3's and if not millions then hundreds of thousands of hardware players out there. Not to mention the plethora of freely available decoders and encoders of the MP3 format available on thousands of websites all over the world. That is an awefully big plug to pull. At best Fraunhoffer could prohibit the manufacture and sale of any new hardware players, and if that happened the public would very quickly move to another format... maybe even ogg vorbis because hardware players are becoming very wide spread and are growing in popularity by the day. People will continue to want to use them, and if they must they will switch formats to do so.
This is not a company that's gone good all of a sudden, they're just doing this because they know that this will make you guys buy iRivers instead of iPods. Where were they when I wanted my Rio 500 firmwire update to the Mac? Nowhere. Rio didn't care jack about me who spent money on their product at all. Good luck guys...
What's so bad about being lazy? What if there was a war and nobody showed up?
This only applies to the memory based players, it looks like. Hopefully they will also upgrade their line of CD players to play Ogg Vorbis discs. (do such things exist?)
The [sic] was in reference to the implication that audio can somehow be based upon music. "Music-audio data" is most likely what you meant. (In contrast with "speech-audio data," which most of the aformentioned formats are suitable for.) It was also an ill-formed attempt to play on the "mu-sic[sic]" coincident location.
But I digress.
To use your argument about patented formats being inherently bad, consider the LP and 45 record formats, or the CD-Audio format. Each of these were covered by patents, and yet they each thrived as a medium for music delivery.
Simply suggesting that because AAC, MWA, or MP3 are covered by patents (and therefore protected against unauthorized use) they are somehow inherently evil or less desirable than OGG is as goofy as assuming that all open source solutions are inherently technically superior to any closed-source solution. It may or may not be, but the bozos in the House and Senate are surely not the ones who should be making such decisions.
Tim
I bought myself a sexy iMP 350 about a year ago, and last night negotiated it's sale hoping to put the money towards a Creative Zen Xtra 30gb or MuVo2 1.5gb (anyone know somewhere in America that ships these internationally?) but now I'm having second thoughts.
I love to put alot of research into products before I buy them, and the iRiver is one of the few products I've come across with *very* few negative reviews. It makes changing to a newer player kind of unnerving, especially with the kind of dedication the Firmware developers are putting in. Actually listening to customer requests.
Incidentally, if any iRiver reps are listening, (IMO) you really need to redesign your HDD players, the features are so nice, but the design is so poor. Why an LCD on the main unit with the quality of iRiver remotes?
I mean YAY, they are using a free codec, but I think that they should support the future of the patent encumbered open standards.
I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
Here you can see a list of all the devices they want to implement Ogg support for sooner or later. For some of the devices, it's never going to happen because of hardware limitations.
:-)
As someone else here already said, the iMP-400 and iMP-550 (IIRC) will get Ogg support in January. I'm certainly looking forward to it. As soon as they release the firmware, I'm going to buy one of those devices, I guess.
It looks like some things didn't really go as planned, with the iFP-300 support coming so quickly. But hey, isn't that good?
Yeah, you have a PhD in BS.
Until you've bought some of their products and tested them for yourself, you are spewing crap.
Iriver's website does suck, and their customer service isn't too great either. However if you look around online for reviews of the river flash and cd players, you'll see very few people who complain about the quality of the hardware or its sound quality.
And yes, I've actually owned 3 iriver mp3 players.
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I proposed the absolute minimum because I do not consider myself, or anyone for that matter, a person whose views should be slavishly followed. I believe that we are all individuals, that we must all think for ourselves. And that, as Thomas Jefferson once said, it is far better to show someone the door, so that they may go through it. In many ways, we've lost sight of what leadership should be. Leadership is about trust, and freedom, and when people put their hands up and say "I believe! I believe! But I need YOU to tell me what to do! I need YOU to tell me what to write next!" then we don't lead, we dictate.
Every individual on Slashdot has their own view of how the world works, on how to best ensure that, say, Apple provides some sort of rational open format support. We can but tell our representatives that this is an important issue for us, and make our suggestions. They can then make the right decisions on the basis of the ideas and viewpoints expressed to them. I humbly request that my role solely be to initiate that process, by asking Slashdotters to contact those representatives.
As far as your second point goes, it's already a problem. We don't have that freedom with MP3 - we pretend to, but we can't even roll our own MP3 encoder without writing scripts for people who want it that grab sources from a German ftp site for dist11.zip, so that the authors can legitimately claim they're not shipping MP3 encoders themselves. It's a bad situation. It locks the open and free world out of MP3. It certainly makes it impossible to create an infrastructure for free and open music that works with existing players. What good is your infrastructure if it distributes Ogg and players play MP3?
KMSMA (WWBD?)
I HEART MY IFP390t! iriver beats apple in terms of durability, battery life, and headphones... in the long run they'll whip the ipod.
Another company using a lower case "i" to iDentify iTself?
The first time it was iNteresting.
The second time it was iRritating
Now it's just iDiotic.
AAC, WMA, and MP3 are licensed formats. Someone without a license cannot produce a coder, media in that format, or player, or if they're able to do so now, they can't rely on the fact in the future.
With CDs this didn't matter. Anyone who could physically stamp a CD could afford to pay a royalty on it, simply rolling it into the cost. Anyone producing a CD player, likewise, merely needed to roll the royalty into the cost.
Show me how you can build a free and open infrastructure for the distribution of music where anyone can at any time put their hand up and say "Ok, we're now demanding royalties on..." clients, encoders, actual music, you name it.
You can't.
And I think you know that which is why you compared saying MP3 et al "are somehow {...} less desirable than OGG" to "all open source solutions are inherently technically superior to any closed-source solution". The latter is clearly hyperbole. The former is objectively correct when discussing the patent regime but at first glance sounds a bit like the latter. If you wanted to make a fair comparison, you'd have either said:
KMSMA (WWBD?)
no point going above 224, if you ask me (tho i encode at 320, just to be 'better').
---- oh no - it's the RIAA and their $100000000 fine. I'm gonna take that so seriously...
What in the world does SMP on OpenBSD have to do with the rest of your long-winded comment?
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't LAME compilable without either dist10.zip or dist11.zip? Blurb from the site: How am I being "locked" out of MP3s, when there exists free (as in free) software to encode my collection into MP3s?
I just got an iMP-550 CD based player from IRiver and have been trying to get my mp3 playlists working (no ogg vorbis support yet).
Turns out they only support CRLF linebreaks and \ path separators.
Since ogg vorbis is such a 'Linux' phenomenon I'd be pleasantly surprised to see LF and / support in the new ogg firmware for this player.
Does anyone out there with an iHP-120 know if it handles unix style playlists?
please please please please please Iriver please
http://ifp-driver.sourceforge.net/
Sure, vendor support is a nice thing but it typically means using crappy software. I would rather be able to just mount the device and drop files on it over using after-thought software any day.
awesome, ogg vorbis available out of the box for two players so far!
*becomes unnecessarily excited*
There are far better players out there, people just like to get screwed over by Apple (paying 2x for 1/2 the product) that's why IPod is so succesful, and because it looks so stylish and is considered so classy some people actually buy one without ever using it, just having it on display.
First of all we have what is called the "apple gayness" meaning you can only operate the IPod the apple way, not like you want to, meaning files get only accessed by id3 (not actualy directory structure or filename), also you cannot use it as an external hard disc without much hassle.
Other players are recognized as a HDD by just plugging them in, without installing a single driver (via usb mass storage protocol, also works with linux)! Copy over what you want and when you want. Access the files directly or via id3 database (ipod like).
Other players (think IRiver IHP-120) have the same size, DOUBLE the battery capacity, A LOT more features (like radio, optical in/out, regular in/out, recording, microphone, etc. etc.) come with a remote, a leather bag and whatnot.
Anyone who still buys IPod is a fashion victim.
keep it simple.
nt
This probably should have been linked in the article: http://www.iriver.com/company/news_view.asp?idx=35 5&page=1&mode=Total&strque=&field= 1
Also: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/30/006226.shtml
I've seen at least one other story akin to this one. Once a few do it, they all have to do it lest their boards will bite their nails for each day their packaging doesn't feature some hip new standard. Be it 6,000,000===========D second skip protection, or some totally useless equalizer ( jazz | rock | pop | Bass Boot ).
Seriously, cool. Now I can start converting all my mp3s BACK to ogg after I realized the shit was useless for my car CD player.
It might interest you to read the following link: http://www.licensing.philips.com/licensees/conditi ons/cd/
At any point in time, Phillips or Sony could (even now) begin demanding royalties on new CD players, recorders, and so on, unless there was already an agreement in force with a particular manufacturer. I suppose this doesn't qualify as a "free and open infrastructure for the distribution of music," but it seems to have worked pretty well so far.
Tim
Means that the device will die off by flash memory exhaustion in the near future?
Can someone help me understand these players? I'm confused by a few things about them...
First off, why would anyone get a compactflash based player? CompactFlash is incredibly expensive.
The second issue applies to (almost) any type of media.
Sure, maybe now you don't have to bring a dozen CDs for your music, but you've only changed what you *do* have to carry around... Instead of carrying CDs, you have to carry tons of batteries, since the battery life on all solid-state digital players is terribly short.
Does anybody have an answer, or are digital music players all just selling for the novelty and "cool" factor?
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Don't worry about the OpenBSD push.
karmawarrior has used it as part of his routine for some time.
I did a lot of research on flash players and settled on the ifp-190t 256mb for $150. I did not think the 512mb version was worth the extra $110. (why the hell does the price of flash seem to exponentially increase with size?) The FM tuner is great. It picks up more stations than it has presets for (20) where my car only picks up about 10. The voice recording thing works nice, very nice. The earbuds are sound better than any earbuds ive ever had. They sound better than standard cup style headphones. Be impressed.
I about flipped out when it decided that I could not upload an audio file. I was all set to return it when i noticed this leaflet that said 'call customer service before you return this' so I did. It turns out you can update the firmware to make it behave like a regular flash drive rather than use thier proprietary software which is a little rough around the edges. It now works with windows media player and linux.
The battery cover tends to pop open if you drop it or it hits something the right way, this is annoying and disruptive as the spring loaded battery can be propelled underneath a treadmill (seriously). Also, it could have easily had a belt clip but doesnt.
I use an i-Bead MP3/FM/Voice thingy to its full and record a lot of stuff on it (no ogg support yet though). I use it as a revision aid.
For recording voice & FM it would be great to have a decent speech encoder instead of the inefficient ADPCM WAV available. If Vorbis only goes down to 96kbps on this thing then that is not suitable for voice. In fact, Vorbis is just about OK for voice at 8kbps (I tried it) but obviously Speex would be better.
If the i-River had this facility I'd buy definitely buy it. But, as I already have an i-Bead, I'm not sure I can justify the expensive of just Vorbis.
n-t
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n/t
Moof.
... which is why iPods are too lame for real geeks.
I sold my iPod for an iRiver and never looked back. Better sound, better interface, AA batteries, excellent FM tuners and recorder.
When everybody has an iPod, you know there's something better out there. Many iPod fans are simply too excited about the idea that they can afford it.
And having more than six yourself is intent to distribute. Sex shops get around this by saying they're "personal massagers" and "anatomically correct sex education models."
IAALS.
How much demand was there for AC3 before the ipod.
(Hint: none)
Apple users will take whatever Jobs shovels at them, assuming the quality is acceptable and its "blessed" by Apple.
The real asnwer is this: DRM.
They wont offer unencumbered format support, aside from those with massive user demand (read MP3), if they dont have to.
Think of the iPod as a tie in to iTunes music store, they certainly want to steer you towards the encumbered formats.
If quality was the only concern, it would be ogg+vorbis support without question.
CD->OGG->MP3->OGG is probably not going to sound as good as the mp3s you currently have.
Albuquerque PC
You can me a simple script to convert Linux playlists to Windows format.
If Apple is so pro-open source, when are they going to add Ogg Vorbis to the iPod?
.ogg does not fit into that plan anywhere.
.ogg somehow becomes such a popular format in other mp3 players that it starts to bite into iPod sales. Yeah. Right.
In my opinion, never.
The iPod can play MP3 files becuase without it, the iPod would be dead in the water. However, what Apple really want is for you to migrate over to iTunes and Apple's very own proprietary, DRM-encrusted format, where you don't really own the files and can't play them on your machine when you upgrade the motherboard, and suchlike drivel. Suprisingly, it seems to be working so far.
Support for
I'd love to be wrong about this, but logically I don't see how. Unless
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StrawberryFrog
Can any of these devices play streaming music without needing to access a computer (like the old vaporware Kerbango)?
That would be cool.
i can also write a simple script to do file globbing on the command line - but hey, i can just do a cat * and it works. pretty cool when something just works.
sorry, i'm not trying to be a punk about this, i'm really trolling around for users that have the ogg update to see if they can use unix native playlists.
cheers -pp
http://www.beststuff.com/articles/1358/
"You know what irony is? Irony is the fact that while the hottest category in all of electronics is portable music devices like MP3 and CD players, almost nobody who buys one of these players ever hears just how good they really sound. Do you own one of these portables? Let me ask you something - did you just go ahead and use the terrible, crappy, el-cheapo headphones that came bundled with the player? Of course you did. We all do. It's nothing to be ashamed of."
"What do the Etymotics sound like? Like no other headphone I've ever heard. Because they seal out all surrounding noise, you hear the music so purely and cleanly that's it's almost unnerving at first. But listen to these headphones for a few songs and you'll be spoiled for the rest of your life. The Etymotics sound so much more natural and free of distortion and coloration than even the most expensive audiophile speakers and headphones it's silly. "
"Just for laughs I compared the Etymotics to the generic headphones that come with the Nomad MP3 players. You see these 'phones all over the place - they' re the ones with the headband that goes behind the listener's head instead of over the top. Really cool looking, right? Well, after enjoying some music on the Etymotics, I switched over to the generic 'phones and lasted about five seconds before yanking them off my ears! Ugh! Get that crap offa me! We're not talking about good vs. better. We're talking stinking, rotting death vs. crystal clear mountain streams and fresh ripe peaches and backrubs by Mrs. Olsen of coffee commercial fame. Hey, I'm Mr. Pack Rat - I can't bring myself to throw away anything related to gadgets. But I threw away the generic headphones. The Etymotics sounded like music and the generics sounded like the squawk box you shout your order at when you go to the drive-thru at Mickey D's. "
It's hard to imagine that such superb sound can come from such tiny objects, but trust us--these are a traveler's best friend.
KMSMA (WWBD?)
The notion that actual individuals would do the encoding, in a non-commercial environment, and only be encoding audio, really never occured to anyone until people started doing it, and even then those people who started doing it were usually (so usually it drowned out the others) doing so illegally - making MP3s of music they'd bought copies of to distribute to others via IRC, and then Napster, so even at that time it wasn't seen as an application that would take off.
If Fraunhoffer had seen the potential in the early nineties, I suspect they'd have directed the market a little more than they ended up doing.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
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that's my christmas present :>
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I'm a computer consultant, and on the road a lot. I'd love to have car stereo that would accept CDs full of MP3s and Oggs. Mostly Oggs since my music collection is mostly my own CDs which I have ripped to Ogg on my computer.
Are there any car CD players that support Ogg? And I don't mean an add-on that sits in the trunk, I'm in a pickup and don't have room for it. (although the kenwood music keg does look really cool.)
Got Apathy?
Mr. Lamer:
... Neat stuff :)
... If one existed, I'd like a CD-based player that also had a CF card slot, unlikely as that sounds, but when iRiver (or someone else) starts shipping a CD/AA ogg player in the U.S., they'll get my money ...
Huh, so you got a Neuros
I'm still waiting for an available CD(R(W)), AA-powered Ogg player, but it looks like next month there may be what I want from iRiver
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
If the price is right, then it has a chance of being an iPod-Killer.
that's actually kind of funny :) a gem lost amidst the dross. Thanks
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?