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Linux for Asia: Asianux
kiwimate writes "Two Linux distributors (one each from China and Japan) are building a common Linux platform for Asian companies. Using Oracle software to create the product, which is dubbed "Asianux", they have declared they'll create a common kernel so that the two companies' offerings can interoperate with ease."
I guess that's better than Lasia. Not much better though.
...can be found on AsiaOSC.
There's a note on the front page there about a recent Mongolian Linux release, too.
The Army reading list
Or is that just my wacky English speaking mind?
And there was us thinking Asia couldn't teach us anything about how to do IT, but then they turn out to have companies that actually agree on common standards at the outset!
was just too politically incorrect.
I wonder if they have forgotten that Asia is more than just the area of China and Japan. Turkey, Syria, Indian...and even Iraq are all Asian countries as well.
keystroke-logging lib_bigbrother.so.0 no doubt
Is this just a national pride thing designed as a big middle finger towards western development? Wouldn't they be better served if they helped make current distros better?
Aren't you tired of stupid questions?
Don't you mean GNU-ASIANUX? *Hrmmmph*
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
All linux distros have the same kernel: linux. You need more than a common kernel to get a high degree of interoperability.
"a quote" -me
remember, it's not just Japanand China. It's also (Soviet) Russia, India and its area, and the middle east. That's a pretty large area that doesn't seem covered by Asianux. Maybe they should have called it Orientux. That's got a nice ring to it, though it does kind of sound like an old Greek philosopher.
Personally, I now use Mac OS X (after about 10 years of enthusiastic Linux use :-) but there are several reasons for non-U.S. companies to standardize on Linux and cooperate on region specific versions:
-Mark
And expecially for France, we will have Asterux.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
As infamous as China is when it comes to the control of information, how Open will this particular Linux distribution be?
Socialism: A feeling of discontent and resentment caused by a desire for the possessions or qualities of another.
Using Oracle software to create the product
More like "making use of Oracle's software development centre in Beijing"--its a kind of important distinction, otherwise I was wondering what Oracle IDE they were going to use, or database they were planning to build into the distro...
SO YOU'RE GOING TO DIE: The Comic for Dealing with Death
... out of Linux.
thus the RMS "they're taking all the credit away from GNU" argument for GNU/Linux as a naming scheme is somehow avoided
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
I bet they'll have new commands to use: keke, kekeke, kekekeke, kekekekekekekekekekeke^_^
Increased adoption of Asianux in Asia-Pacific may give software and hardware companies a good reason to certify their wares on Linux, as they will not need to support multiple versions of the open-source operating system (OS).
/me uncorks champagne
http://unmoldable.com W:"No one of consequence" I:"I must know" W:"Get used to disappointment"
After this is successful, this Oriental version of Linux will be combined with the one being developed for the Czech Republic.
We wish the new "Rice-Chex" project much success.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Hey, before you get all crazy, I learned it from South Park...
Let's just see how well the GPL does in these countries, especially in China where piracy is rampant, and there is no such thing as private property (it's the definition of Communism, get over it flamers). Human (property) rights have never been terribly important in Asia, maybe we'll have to send in Stallman and Theo to get pissy at them when they uber-up the Linux kernel and don't publish their changes.
-1 Flamebat, +1 Cynical, or +1 Prophetic? You decide.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I can't even imagine what a nightmare the command line would look like. I'm still figuring out the switches for fsck. Hard enough to do without contructing commands out of little pictures of houses, dancing guys and trees with lines through them.
will sweeping through the rest of Asia's IT, crushing foes in it's wake. Hordes of people are using it, you know. (Sorry).
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Asian Russia (Siberia) is European not Asian.
The majority of Asian Russia is called "Siberia". Siberia is entirely within Asia. Asian Russia is indeed all Asian (that is almost a tautology). In fact, a significant percentage of Asian land is part of Russia.
You are correct about the Soviet Union, however.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Amnesiux?
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
Canux?
"He who throws mud, loses ground." - proverb
This article was pretty light on details.
How do they program on it? In English?
After 10 years of using linux (and I assume enjoying it), I'm curious why you decided to switch to OS X? You don't see too many stories out there of people going back to a proprietary system after having used linux for so long....
The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
Half an hour after you compile the kernel, your ready to compile again.
*rimshot*
Run with Scissors!
Sounds a lot like UnitedLinux minus SCO to me.
"Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats." --Howard Aike
...hidden underneath the ignorant ranting, which is that the GPL requires strong enforcement of licenses to function. It has nothing to do with Communism, piracy, or human rights. Countries like China simply don't have the legal infrastructure to deal with license violations. There are some indications that companies are getting away with GPL violations in the U.S.; how much easier will it be for them to do so in China, where the FSF has no legal representation?
Asterix is a popular French cartoon character. They love him in France the way they don't love Mickey Mouse. Unlike Jerry Lewis (also beloved of the French), Asterix is actually cool.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
And the best thing will be when it crushes our enemies, to see them fall at our feet -- to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women.
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$tar -xvf
..get it hehe.
I'm still holding my breath for the ultimate linux distribution: auto-configuring, self-reparing, using state-of-the-art package management, with a killer GUI, full desktop integration, stability up the wazoo, that can take all preferences and settings from an existing windows or mac installation and import them into the new environment.
It should be called Sexus Linux.
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
if the joke had something to do with punning a word on "nigger" or some such, people wouldn't find that so funny. so why is "chinx" a joke?
this may be a flame, but if so i think it's justified: dude, stfu. "chinx" isn't funny. even if you're chinese yourself, other readers don't know that. you're being racist, and you're encouraging racism. mod me down as much as you want.
how about stfu?
"oriental" has negative connotations, bringing as it does to mind the stereotype of "the quaint exotic orient" (i.e. only Europeans are rational normal folks). the term was created by the English to refer to asian countries. "Asian" is a little more neutral, since the name is a more geographic, although even the term "asia" is eurocentric, since "asia" is generally anywhere east of... you guessed it: Europe.
The memories of our language... just can't escape it. In Chinese, I'm just a regular dude; in English, you should no longer say I'm a "chink" or "yellow", but "I" remain an "Asian" and an "Oriental"...
Sure beats the first name: Oriantalnix.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
about literally seeing the roots of a language in the language? as opposed to arbitrary squiggles, lines and curves? at least it makes it more interesting and meaningful. For example, the character for visual brightness and/or understanding (coincidentally just like in english how "bright" means smart and visually bright) is made up of the picture of the moon and the sun side by side. how cool is that? 1000's of years ago, of course the sun and moon were the brightest objects in the human knowledge. put them together, and you get the word for brightness!
There.
linux is for bitches
my other sig is written in brainfuck
Sorry, just had to get the RMS joke in. Although I am beginning to understand him more and more.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
How china will deal with the GPL and opensource in general remains to be seen. However I think the chinese ain't completly stupid. Making a fork (wich is what happens when you make changes to the kernel and do not submit them back in to the official kernel) means you loose all the advantages off the worldwide development taking place on linux. Each time the official kernel is upgraded you got to update your fork without outside help. This would become very costly to do.
So the question is has China understood what has made linux what it is? So far most of the really really big players have understood it. The US goverment through the SELinux project, IBM, Israel (changes to Open Office are publicly available) and others.
Don't forget that Japan at least has had a long history of opensource with Tron. Granted here the design was opensource not always the code but the idea is the same.
We will have to see. But if you are really really curious. Examine red flag. Its been around long enough. I haven't heard anyone claiming that it is breaking the rules so far.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
the characters of the alphabet were originally inherently meaningful as well. I thought english letters were originally created for phonetic distinctions, and that the visual aspect of letters were now largely arbitrary or meaningless in themselves.
What I meant by seeing the roots of the language in the language was seeing how ideas and abstractions in the language are understood by the language itself (and hence the human mind). For example, by looking at the character for the mysterious character "Tao", we see the simple but profound picture of a person walking along a path. Seeing how the character was conceived (both in the sense of brought into the world and thought of) is tremendously interesting when you know how to look. I was trying to get the parent poster to see this beauty of characters, not trying to make other languages look bad. Apologies if I did come off too one sided; I guess I felt I had to balance his "against" with my "for". : )
Woohoo! Now my computer will COSPLAY when I do!
(because nothing is sexier than a 25 yr old man with hairy legs wearing a sailor moon outfit)
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Comparable in their complexity, yes. But, it is an imperical fact that people whose native written language is phonetic, find it much harder to learn an ideographic language then those who have learned an ideographic language do a phonetic one.
For example, it is very common to find an English speaker of Chinese or Japanese who is incapable of reading even the simplest text yet able to speak the language very fluently. It is quite rare to find the same situation in a Chinese speaker of English. Unless your claim is that Westerners are just very stupid or lazy, the conclusion is that ideographic written languages are very hard for non-natives to learn.
Except Asians in the U.S. are probably used to be called Chinese all the time by ignorant mistake. Being called a chink would still be insulting.
To be honest, I have absolutely no idea. The 2 major Chinese dialects (Cantonese and Mandarin) both pronounce it with a 'd' sound. I've seen Taoism/Daoism more and more translated with a 'D' now though. I think it's part of a new romanization system.
Maybe it was just a mistake. e.g. I heard this before somewhere: when the first europeans saw a kangaroo they asked what the animal was called. Their guide, an australian aboriginal, said something like "kah-gah-rah-too", which means "I don't know". And that's how we got the name 'kangaroo'.
I think the asian market is a lot more varied than lets say the European market. Over here we have not just CJK, but also Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Burmese, 2 flavours of Malay... yes, right now I'm just eating hamburgers when it comes to OS', but I think the asians know better what the asians need out of their boxes... or rather, what they would like linux to look like right out of the box, perhaps.
Maybe this is taking it a bit far, but apart from Chinese (Mandarin) and Japanese (Hyojungo aka Tokyo Japanese), there's a whole host of dialects which would need to be localised differently - word-groups (Ci2 Hui4 in Chinese) are dramatically different in these dialects and if you tried typing in these you should find it to be as painful as trying to type Chinese via a Japanese input-method.
AFAIK, people in Windows use special programs to aid Kansai-ben input. it'd be cool if even dialects can be built in.
And yes, let the asians decide for themselves how they would have solved their kanji problem.
That is the funniest post of the France Asterux sub-thread. I'd glady turn over my +5 mod points to this comic genius.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Steve
I'd have to disagree. Sure, laughing at people's attempts to communicate in English is in bad taste, but these are people using English either for purely cosmetic reasons (i.e. because it is "cool"). They are also using it not in personal conversations, but for business.
I've seen this up close (I lived in Japan for many years), so I think it's a reasonable distinction, especially when so much advertising uses English, and very poor English at that.
(Disclaimer: I have a photo on engrish.com, the girl in the "spread beaver" T-shirt.)
(As an english speaker of Japanese) I would say that the problem is not so much that it's hard to read Japanese characters (I have no problems with the ones I know already), it's the fact that there are so many of them compared to 26+punctuation for western languages (even accounting for the fact that many characters can be considered words by themselves),
Secondly that as an adult you are way out of practise at learning to recognise new "letter" shapes, and have long passed the point where your brain readily adapts to it.
That said I found Hesig's approach to be much easier than any other's I've tried, especially for Kana. It doesn't scale as well to Kanji, but still helps a great deal.
Essentially I suppose that learning 1 Japanese character is no more difficult than learnign 1 western letter. The problem is the quantity.
French love Mickey Mouse more than Asterix from what I can see too
Living at the bottom of a troll-cave as you do, you can't see much:
"France has a park dedicated to Asterix The Gaul, which gets 3 times as many visitors as EuroDisney, and it makes lots of money." [blogspot]
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Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
-----BEGIN DRIPPING SARCASM-----
Yes, I specifically meant Moscovites and residents of New
Delhi out of all the possible connotations of Asian. I really
don't know why I chose such a broad and sweeping term that
no one could possibly understand the meaning of.
-----END DRIPPING SARCASM-----
In all seriousness, I'm not sure there's a great word these days to describe the 'Mongoloid race' without appearing insulting. Asian seems to be the currently-fashionable (but technically ambiguous) label in the USA.
Of my Korean/Chinese/Japanese friends who've broached the subject, all have expressed a dislike for describing people as Oriental, which they associate with inanimate objects like rugs and food. They usually refer to themselves as a race as Asian, which to my knowledge is not the case with Indians and others who geographically match the term Asian.
This calls for a revamp of the tux image for this specific type of linux
Sig: I stole this sig.
I am amazed someone could managed to get through my entire post and respond without pondering or even comprehending a word of it Mr. Anonymous Coward.
Blacks on average get paid a smaller amount and on average fill lower end jobs because blacks on average have significantly poorer education. This certainly isn't for lack of availablity. The have the same opportunity that the average white american has, if they have a chip on their shoulder over something they themselves have never experienced and don't take advantage of it, that is certainly nobody's fault but their own. There are no small number of black american's not living in ghettos, and even ghettos have publically funded schools just like the ones that your average white citizen goes to.
If a black american and a white american apply for a job, and both are equally qualified, the black american will get the job because there are financial incentives for the company to hire them first. THAT is discrimination, not imagined (or even real) suspicious glances when walking in a convience store. The only disadvantage here is that not as many black americans are taking advantage of the educations available to them and therefore there aren't as many with equal qualifications. Only black americans can solve that problem, nobody else.
Another very important point, this applies to women as well. Equal rights and equal civil liberties is a relatively new idea. So I'm assuming you are excluding anyone with over 20yrs experience justifying thier high position and payrate from your numbers right? After all, since women and black americans (as well as other minorities really haven't been in an open equal opportunity environment for 20yrs yet there won't be any who are qualified to hold those positions.
Also someone actually has to vacate a high position for someone else to fill it, it takes a long time for numbers to shift significantly there in a perfectly fair and racism free environment.
"Obviouly they're not quite African, because they haven't been there in so long they've lost touch."
If you had actually bothered to READ my post you would have seen that what I was saying is that most DON"T HAVE A SINGLE ROOT IN AFRICA. It's not a matter of losing touch if they were never in touch with it to begin with!!! South American natives are BLACK and are not nor have they ever been African.
"Are you fucking stupid? The term is "Chinese", not "chink". The term is "African", or "African-American", not "nigger". You actually think "chink" or "nigger" makes me proud of my culture?"
It's becoming more and more apparent you are one of those who has not taken advantage of education. Or perhaps you have and it simply failed to actually stimulate your brain (you can after all coast to a master's without having much of a brain). Both of the terms you mentioned are synonymous, respectively for black and chinese. They mean the exact same thing. So why exactly is it one is okay and one is not? Because you consider one derogatory? Why do you consider it derogatory? And assuming it is derogatory, what the hell makes you think you've more right to call me "fucking stupid" than I have to call you by one of those terms?
"Maybe you've experienced a lot of counter-racism and you experience is skewed, but I think you should take a look at the larger picture around you. Racism is still alive. Most white people just wish it would go away. And I understand why: who likes to feel accused and guilty? Then again, we have to look at the larger picture: if racism ended, there wouldn't even be an issue."
Oh I've known a few racists it's true. But few of them have been white.
Do you believe that problem isn't solved until the trolls on slashdot become silent in terms of racial slurs. This will never happen, get over it. Do you believe the problem isn't solved until other races hold as many jobs, make as much, etc etc. Well if you want to improve the numbers for your race, go to school, or study yourself, work
I know who Hide and Spread Beaver are (were). If you look at the pictures, you will also see that some thoughtful soul has added a definition (probably from some slang dictionary) so it looks like:
Spread Beaver
Showing the vaginal area
By the way, it's nice of you to throw in a gratuitous slur on my Japanese abilities. Given that I worked in a more-or-less exclusively Japanese environment for three years, you might be surprised.
"1) Racism is alive and well. Go to any black in LA and ask them whether the LAPD are racist or not. I still get called a "chink" every now and then, although less so now these few years. And when I get called a "chink", it's not in a conversational manner, as in "Excuse me sir, but are you a chink?". When they say it, they say it derogatorily. Yes, the word itself was created as an insult, with the crux of it being that you are Chinese, and therefore inferior, and so we will call you a "chink". Yes, it is a bad word. Accept that. It's like saying "son of a bitch". What's so bad about canines? Nothing. The term was created as an insult, and therefore it *is* an insult. Is that so hard to understand?"
I may have missed something in here, are you trying to convince me of things I said myself in my previous point? I never disputed that these terms were considered derogatory. What I disputed is whether or not they are anymore derogatory than calling someone a son of a bitch.
Bad words are a day to day thing, they are used by every person alive daily with and without anger. What makes your bad word a plague that must be eradicated from the face of the earth?
"And when I called you "fucking stupid", it was in response to something you DID (namely, asserting that "Chinese" and "Chink" are synonymous). When you call someone a "chink", it is in response about something they ARE from birth, and can never change. Think about that. Note the injustice. Get it? No? Then go think some more."
Ok, here is where you explain what makes it special and why it should be eradicated. Let's try to stick with "fucking stupid" you are pointing out that it's because of something I did or said. I'd like to point out that if I analyzed those terms "stupid" is inherent and "fucking" doesn't even make sense.
If you dropped a bowl of oatmeal on me (or some such) and in response I called you a "fucking chink". I believe you wouldn't have much of an argument trying to claim I insulted you in response to being chinese, I clearly insulted you in response to your own actions.
Now if I walked up to you when you were walking down the street, and we had no prior history of interaction, grabbed you and told you to come this way you fucking chink and carved bonzi on your forehead just before hanging you. THEN it would be more serious than saying words like "damn" "shit" "fuck" "asshole" "prick" "dumbfuck" "pig" "shit for brains" etc etc etc. Until that point this is a normal part of our culture, we have words like this for just about everything, race is one of many. It's normal and does not especially need to eradicated.
"While you are correct in that counter-racism exists, it is called "counter-racism" for a reason. It is there in response to an original racism. Yes, there is racism today. I have only been called a "chink" by whites. If you like the naive belief that the world is free from racism and that all races are happy and equal, fine. Obviously you're quite firm in this belief, and honestly I don't feel like writing a dissertation here."
The only one I've heard calling it "counter-racism" is you. I don't care to write a dissertation either, this post is long enough. So I'll use Asians as an example. In the case of Asians they have always closed themselves off from outsiders, strong suspicion and racism has arisen from this. Be a white man in china town and it's not exactly difficult to experience this rather quickly. They have special terms outsiders that have become racist remarks against whites (the most populous of the "outsiders").
That's not in response to anything, it's not counter anything and the root of MOST asian racism I've seen. You'd have a better argument for white racism against asians being counter-racism to asian racism against whites. Personally I don't believe it is however, I'm simply saying that argument would have more evidence and weight behind it.
"1)"Stupid" is an insult to intelligence.
2)"Chink" is an insult based on the premise of a supposedly-inferior Chinese race, because if it didn't assume that Chinese people are inferior, it wouldn't be an insult in the first place.
3)Therefore, "chink" is an insult of an entirely different order than "stupid" and is inherently racist. Since most people agree that racism is bad, and the word "chink" is racist, then the word "chink" is bad. Therefore, "chink" should not be used, because *when you say it as an insult* you are implicitly and explicitly stating that Chinese people are inferior (otherwise it wouldn't be an insult)."
ok we'll try this one last time and then I give up.
Sticking with stupid and chink for simplicity.
There are a HELL of alot more stupid people than there are chinese (not many things I could say that about true as there happen to be ALOT of chinese people on Earth).
Intelligence is a MUCH more significant matter than race. Truthfully despite what I said before, race is no more something to be proud of than to be insulted about. You intelligence level ACTUALLY MATTERS, your race ACTUALLY DOES NOT.
Do you honestly mean to tell me that summation of your entire argument is that race is worse insult someone over because "you are implicitly and explicitly stating that... people are inferior". You do realize that this applies to EVERY insult in existance? Some state a single person, some state a great many but EVERY insult is a way of calling someone inferior in some aspect or manner. That's why they call them insults!
Or is it worse because the aspect is race and not some other inherient aspect which is meaningless and inborn "just because"?
The Nazi's felt their race intellectually superior. There are lots of things which have killed millions of people over thousands of years. Hate to break it to you, race is barely on the top 10 list. Religion holds spot number 1.
Perhaps it is religion we should condemn negative remarks about. Greed is another top contender. Perhaps people who insult others for being poor, or wealthy or money grubbing, or penny pinchers. Perhaps those should be the "special" insults that are worse than the others. I ask again, why single race out?
When you consider that stupidity is truely just the sum of ignorance (even the most retarded of human minds is capable of vastly greater intelligence than, to pick a popular choice, Einstein) then it most certainly has resulted in more than it's fair share of death. When Europeans came to the new world they slaughtered and stole from "savages" because of their ignorance. In fact it goes hand and hand with the number 1 killer, religion. Religion feeds on ignorance and stupity both to recruit and to incite conflict.
Sex is another which tops race on the cause for violence scale. So your insult of stupid fuck actually hits two keys which have responsible for more bloodshed and violence than race could ever dream of.
Absolishing racism means absolishing the concept of race altogether. Because if there is a characteristic of people, there will always be those who judge based on it. It's called reality, welcome to it.
Kiyooka, I agree the whole racism debate got boring a bit back. I think we've both given a bit of ground and come as close to a middle ground as we are going to get ;)
Was fun debating with you though, it's not often you get to debate a topic like racism that is usually met blindly by both sides of the issue.
Putting you on my friends list, I'm not interested in seeing posts from just people who agree with my own viewpoint. I'm interested in having people there who are willing to give thought to issues and I believe you are one of those.