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KDE 3.2 Release Candidate 1 Debuts
danalien writes "Before a early Feb. release of the (stable) KDE 3.2, KDE has today announced the first 'Release Candidate', and hopefully the last pre-release, for its 'Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations'. Get it from download.kde.org, or use Konstruct if you don't feel like calling configure by yourself."
It's 'Release Kandidate'. Learn to spell.
The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.
KDE is pretty kool. Aktually it's uber kool. I've konstantly kaught myself kakkling at their konstant play with K and K. Err.. K and K. Damn K and K... you know what i mean
Remeber the mirrors http://www.kde.org/mirrors/ftp.php Rus
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I have to also say how impressed I am with the guys developing KDE. We once picked up a bug somewhere, mailed them with the problem,ect. Within a half an hour I think, they posted a patch for that specific problem. Amazing.
Of course, I'm a bit known for tilting at windmills
I have been wanting to setup a the mirrors site for a while... however, none of the mirror sites are updated. Now that I'm looking... several of the mirror sites never even posted the KDE 3.1.5 Release.
Why doesn't this mirror correctly?
KDE 3.2 Feature Plan
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That's nice. And appropriate, since KDE is Tougher Than Leather. :)
You are not the customer.
Grandma really shouldn't be upgrading ! How many people used Win9x long after ME/NT/XP/2000 came out before upgrading ? More than you'd like to admit. How many people asked their computer-literate friend to upgrade for them, because they couldn't / didn't want to for fear of breaking something because they didn't understand the concepts ?
Just because an upgrade comes out, doesn't mean you have to upgrade !! But I understand the psycology behind it (something new and shiny, or will I be 'missing out' ?)
"I am not bound to please thee with my answers" [William Shakespeare]
Anybody know just what is new in this version? Is it as big an upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.2 as it was from 3 to 3.1?
Honestly, I think KDE is a technical masterpiece. It gives me a GUI which can easily be configured in pretty much every conceivable way.
GNOME, MacOS, and Windows just don't have that kind of room for personality.
I've been running KDE 3.2 built from CVS on 2004-01-14 for a week and so far, so good. This release should be nice. Now waiting for an ebuild...
It's a bit faster. I wish it would be much faster. But generally when this happens I reboot in XP for a day, then I realize that speed isn't all that counts. Prelinking helps, too.
I think I'll delete KDE 3.1.x entirely, since there is no need for it anymore.
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i've been using KDE3.2 built from source since the early alphas. even then it was rock-solid stable with just a few rough edges. once i knew all of the workarounds, i migrated my production/work environment up to 3.2 as well, for the cool/useful features. highly recommended upgrade.
KDE has solved the environment issue but is facing an application issue. People will compare Konq to Mozilla (which has in a way become a de facto GNOME browser), but I will call Mozilla a leader here. The Gimp DESTROYS any KDE equivalent. AbiWord and OpenOffice (soon to be Gnome-ified) blow away KOffice and Gaim also triumphs over its KDE competitors. KDevelop is the only app space I know where KDE is the clear winner.
Sorry 'bout that.
Actually, on any distro with a good package manager, it is that easy. You start up the package manager (Synaptic or whatever) and click the upgrade button. Konstruct is just for those who want KDE right *now* instead of waiting a week for packagers to release binaries.
:)
Think of it as 0-day KDE warez
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I have been using the Beta 2 (3.1.94) on some of my "non-essential" Slackware test systems for a while, and I am very satisfied. I won't upgrade all my primary systems until 3.2.x (the usual "Oops, sorry, our bad!" release), but I'll be itching con Konvert all the Fedora Gore 1 systems to Fedora Kore.
As much as I welcome this news, I look much more forward to SCO rc 1 codenamed "McBride"...in about 10-15 yrs pending good behavior (stable?)
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You are a computer-scientist? Yeah right.
A computer scientist studies (and at least supposedly understands) the science behind computers. A degree in CS doesn't mean you know how to use a particular environment, or compiler, or even that you know how to use email or a zip file.
As I like to say, I just build 'em... I don't know how to use 'em. I just finished my BS in CS, and guess what? Working in an IT department, I face all sorts of things that I don't understand. Installing a web server (or in this case, upgrading an environment) is a completely different skillset than (for example) designing an efficient cache or a better chess player.
In other words, STFU. Thanks.
Does anyone know how many of Apple's changes have made it into Konqueror?
It would be interesting to know how useful the Safari team's contributions have been.
Well, the main difference is that the KDE fans like KDE better, while the Gnome fans like Gnome better.
I'm sure this debate can (and probably will) rage on for years. Many people reading this probably won't understand this reply and many others because the poor "noobie" (his own word) who asked the question got immediately smacked with a Troll mod for his curiosity, so he will be filtered out by many. To that moderator: Can you please be nice to the n00bs so more people will be open to Linux?
I'm beginning to use Linux on a desktop at home, and I am glad I've had someone helpful who has been willing to answer these kinds of questions for me. You catch more flies with honey, people.
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Um... No, it doesn't. GNOME uses GTK. GIMP uses GTK. That's how they're related.
/usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 (0x4002e000) /usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0 (0x40139000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-1.2.so.0 (0x40169000) /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 (0x4016c000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40191000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x40195000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4019d000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401ac000) /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x4028b000) /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x402ad000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
$ ldd `which gimp`
libgtk-1.2.so.0 =>
libgdk-1.2.so.0 =>
libgmodule-1.2.so.0 =>
libglib-1.2.so.0 =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libX11.so.6 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libc.so.6 =>
$
No GNOME libraries there. Compare it to the output of:
ldd `which gedit`
and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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You want people who know what they're doing to test it out, as they'll have a better chance to identify problems.
I'd rather have people who don't know what they're doing test it out.. that way you'll be able to identify usability problems.
And now try:
/usr/local/lib/libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 (0x00c13000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 (0x00b0f000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 (0x00c21000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 (0x002a0000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 (0x00506000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 (0x0088a000) /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x0061f000) /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00111000) /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x0017e000) /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x005f3000) /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00b3a000) /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 (0x00371000) /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0 (0x00198000) /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x001d1000) /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00d0b000) /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x001e7000) /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x003c4000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x00394000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00b5e000) /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00219000) /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00db5000) /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00caf000) /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00c53000) /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00ddc000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x003f7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x001a5000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x001c7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00c43000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00d81000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00d01000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x009e7000) /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0x00d5f000)
ldd `which gimp-1.3`
libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 =>
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libatk-1.0.so.0 =>
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 =>
libpangox-1.0.so.0 =>
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 =>
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 =>
libpango-1.0.so.0 =>
libgobject-2.0.so.0 =>
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libglib-2.0.so.0 =>
libfontconfig.so.1 =>
libfreetype.so.6 =>
libz.so.1 =>
libc.so.6 =>
libX11.so.6 =>
libXrandr.so.2 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libXft.so.2 =>
libXrender.so.1 =>
libexpat.so.0 =>
It's a little bit more, gimp 1.2 is going to outdated soon, so gimp 2.0 would be more valid for your comment
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KDE is by far the best engineered Linux GUI, however as Bill Gates proved the best is often not good enough for widespread adoption.
With Windows all you needed was to make it cheaper than the Macintosh and stifle all possible competition. In the open source community, you need to have the best software platform (KDE already does) and it needs to be acceptable to the community.
As I mentioned, KDE is by far the cleanest, most well-designed API/Software environment for Linux; however you need to please two more sectors to win the crown...
1) Users: It needs to be easy on the eyes and easy to work in. Its already easy to work in, but for god sakes get rid of that absolutely horrific Keramic theme. It looks like something you would find on a cheap, fake computer at Toys-R-Us. Just downright awful. PLEEZ, PLEEZ, PLEEZ use 'Plastic' or the nearest equivalent in the final release. This will make the users happy. It will make KDE look as good on the outside as on the inside.
2) The general systems integration, hardware and publishing community. I believe the real reason that KDE was not chosen for UserLinux is because (stay with me here) Canopy will benefit in a major way if QT becomes the default and preferred GUI library. *Not* because Canopy controls Trolltech or the KDE guys, but because the value of their stock will increase exponentially. Think! If software developers move over to Linux, it's going to be in a C++ environment. That means they initially need to re-package their class libraries and make their apps cross-compile to Linux and Windows. That means QT and the professional level of C++ code, documentation and support.
It's not that the general community doesn't want Trolltech to get a big reward for their excellent work, but they don't want Canopy to benefit at all. Not a dime. This was probably the deciding factor.
Message to Trolltech: DUMP CANOPY goddamnit. Don't you see that they are either acting as a parasite on Trolltech to make money off of Linux in some way (they don't deserve it) or they are acting as a poison pill so that the best GUI environment can't be assimilated. This slows down Linux on the desktop considerably. By splitting the Linux development resources in half and contaminating the best GUI they force desktop Linux/Gnome to re-invent the wheels that were already invented and done better in KDE.
Dump Canopy! They don't control you, but they contaminate you. Don't worry. In the end IBM will own those shares after all of Canopy and SCO's assets are forfit to IBM and RedHat. The worst part is if Microsoft buys SCO and Canopy before the trial is over as an escape hatch. Then MS will own a chunk of you until that battle is resolved. If MS owned a chunk of TrollTech no opensource developer would touch QT with a twenty-mile cattleprod.
Dump Canopy before it's too late.
Don't take him so literally though (about his grandmother), he is trying to make a point: In order to make it on the desktop, Mr/Mrs. Average Citizen needs to be able to install and/or upgrade things, even as complex as kde, without a hassle. The thing is, Linux is not there yet, but it will be if folks as dedicated as the KDE team seem to be keep doing what they're doing. What will hold it back are the people who get in a huff when people point out the real need to make it easy for the average user.
No-one is taking your command line (and all the power that it has) away from you. vi will always be there. :-) But the great unwashed masses out there would rather things be easy so they can use most of their time using the software, and not configuring it, and certainly not learning to configure it. If it is so complicated they need to study, they won't use it, and the idea of Linux on the desktop will fail. Windows didn't become popular because IT profesionals recommended it. It became popular because the accountants and other business users understood it, used it at home, and wanted their companies to purchase a tool that they could use easily without requiring too much training. Don't get nasty about this, it is true. It is one of the reasons MS makes so much money. It is a system that has a very low learning curve. I think with the great new Linux install packages that come with most of the major distributions (e.g. Suse, Mandrake, Redhat), things are moving that way, and will continue to do so... it's just a matter of time. Rome wan't built in a day (and all that).
My criticism here is (trying to be) constructive criticism... from someone who likes Linux (and has used it for several years) but also is frustrated with sometimes spending more time installing and configuring things than being able to use them (part of the reason is that yes, I am trying things that most desktop users wouldn't need to do). For example, I would like to be able to install the latest version of MySQL (their binary at their advice) without it telling me that an rpm installed on my system is not the right version... causing me to research how to complete the installation. It may be a surprise to some that I would actually like to program something with it, and learn the new features of the latest release, without waiting for a new distro... and not necessarily on how to install it. Same goes for KDE (and I do prefer KDE over other Linux desktops). The MS advantage that people talk about is that you can install a new version of most software without worrying about getting version errors, or errors reporting that your rpm package is not correct... Mind you, I don't like MS's corporate practices so I keep trying to stick to Linux... and it is sometimes a trying experience.
Perhaps if there could be a way for rpm type installs (or others) to check 'levels' instead of just version numbers. If you have a level that supports a set of public API's you could set up a system where even if a different version is out, as long as the standard API's still exist, then all is well. So you could have version 1.0 and version 1.1 both able to meet API level 1. i.e. You might have changed the internal workings of a function (for security or whatever), thus creating a new version (which might tell you if the correct security patch has been applied), but you wouldn't get screwed up on dependancies when installing a package when it looks for the older version of whatever library it needs. It would check the API level, see the correct one, even if the vers
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Funny how your picking apps that were never meant to be "Gnome" apps in the first place. These were all independant apps that were NOT built from the ground up to be Gnomified. Mozilla is the de facto "GNOME" browser? Since when? I could just as easily say "use that new neat QT wrapper thingy that makes gtk apps behave like QT apps". Who has all of the "good apps" then?
Gnome has a habit of just picking the best apps and then "adopting" them so I don't think its fair to start saying these apps are blowing away KDE counterparts. Since when can't you run Gimp, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org in KDE? You can, thus your point is moot. Try and get over the whole Gnome or KDE has better apps thingy. Be happy that you can run any of these apps easily from any Window Manager.
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I think that's because Konquerer is not just a hardisk file browser, but a more generalized browser that is network transparent. You can browse local stuff with location file:/xxx, remote stuff with ftp://xxx or a webpage with http://xxx, and more...
Adblocks are only the beginning. Deanimate GIFs, block banners, rewrite HTML/JS on the fly, replace HTTP header entries, and control by host if you want. There's a lot you can do.
I'd never depend on a browser to do security work in linux, as there are better specialized tools for that.
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