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KDE 3.2 Release Candidate 1 Debuts
danalien writes "Before a early Feb. release of the (stable) KDE 3.2, KDE has today announced the first 'Release Candidate', and hopefully the last pre-release, for its 'Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix workstations'. Get it from download.kde.org, or use Konstruct if you don't feel like calling configure by yourself."
It's 'Release Kandidate'. Learn to spell.
The progress that these guys have made in 5 years and the sheer volume of quality code is simply amazing. What are these guys doing right as compared to all the other projects? They even stick to their development and release schedules better than most commercial companies. And despite everyone calling for the death of C++, KDE is the shining example of what can be accomplished in that language. I seriously doubt it could have been constructed in any other language and produce as quick and relatively error-free code as these guys have produced.
KDE is pretty kool. Aktually it's uber kool. I've konstantly kaught myself kakkling at their konstant play with K and K. Err.. K and K. Damn K and K... you know what i mean
Remeber the mirrors http://www.kde.org/mirrors/ftp.php Rus
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I have to also say how impressed I am with the guys developing KDE. We once picked up a bug somewhere, mailed them with the problem,ect. Within a half an hour I think, they posted a patch for that specific problem. Amazing.
Of course, I'm a bit known for tilting at windmills
I have been wanting to setup a the mirrors site for a while... however, none of the mirror sites are updated. Now that I'm looking... several of the mirror sites never even posted the KDE 3.1.5 Release.
Why doesn't this mirror correctly?
KDE 3.2 Feature Plan
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Request are taken, just send me an e-mail, any program, or theme can be snapshoted
As Usual, KDE ROCKS
I'm positive, don't belive me look at my karma
That's nice. And appropriate, since KDE is Tougher Than Leather. :)
You are not the customer.
Oh and beta-versions isn't for your granny in the first place.
Grandma really shouldn't be upgrading ! How many people used Win9x long after ME/NT/XP/2000 came out before upgrading ? More than you'd like to admit. How many people asked their computer-literate friend to upgrade for them, because they couldn't / didn't want to for fear of breaking something because they didn't understand the concepts ?
Just because an upgrade comes out, doesn't mean you have to upgrade !! But I understand the psycology behind it (something new and shiny, or will I be 'missing out' ?)
"I am not bound to please thee with my answers" [William Shakespeare]
are you for real or just trolling?
... (like mandrake update for example)
this is a release candidate
Your granny does not want to install this. When it's released her linux distro will have a nice upgrade path
OTOH, if you want to help kde hunt bugs, learn how to compile the software!
This is a release candidate. It's not intended to just work. When the official 3.2 release comes out, your grandma can 'emerge -u kde' just like she normally does.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Now, when it comes to the official release, yes I agree one of those buttons is just what the doctor ordered.
How 'bout you wait till KDE 3.2 gets released and your distro supports it, instead of trolling slashdot about how hard it is to install test releases that "your grandma" would never hear of, much less ever want to install and how you don't want to read the manual?
#include "sig.h"
Anybody know just what is new in this version? Is it as big an upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.2 as it was from 3 to 3.1?
Honestly, I think KDE is a technical masterpiece. It gives me a GUI which can easily be configured in pretty much every conceivable way.
GNOME, MacOS, and Windows just don't have that kind of room for personality.
I've been running KDE 3.2 built from CVS on 2004-01-14 for a week and so far, so good. This release should be nice. Now waiting for an ebuild...
It's a bit faster. I wish it would be much faster. But generally when this happens I reboot in XP for a day, then I realize that speed isn't all that counts. Prelinking helps, too.
I think I'll delete KDE 3.1.x entirely, since there is no need for it anymore.
-- Home is where you eat your heart out.
As soon as there is a full stable release of 3.2 I expekt you will be able to run up2date,yum, apt-get-upgrade etc. and get your OS vendors distro of it.
That "just works".
Now, if you want the (possibly) unstable release kandidate then IMHO you should need to jump through a few more hoops and know what you are doing, otherwise you may have your system konstantly krashing and not be able to fix it.
I am NaN
i've been using KDE3.2 built from source since the early alphas. even then it was rock-solid stable with just a few rough edges. once i knew all of the workarounds, i migrated my production/work environment up to 3.2 as well, for the cool/useful features. highly recommended upgrade.
KDE has solved the environment issue but is facing an application issue. People will compare Konq to Mozilla (which has in a way become a de facto GNOME browser), but I will call Mozilla a leader here. The Gimp DESTROYS any KDE equivalent. AbiWord and OpenOffice (soon to be Gnome-ified) blow away KOffice and Gaim also triumphs over its KDE competitors. KDevelop is the only app space I know where KDE is the clear winner.
I'm a linux noobie, so could you experienced users explain the differences between KDE and GNOME? Other than minor differences in appearance, they seem pretty similar.
Sorry 'bout that.
Actually, on any distro with a good package manager, it is that easy. You start up the package manager (Synaptic or whatever) and click the upgrade button. Konstruct is just for those who want KDE right *now* instead of waiting a week for packagers to release binaries.
:)
Think of it as 0-day KDE warez
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I have been using the Beta 2 (3.1.94) on some of my "non-essential" Slackware test systems for a while, and I am very satisfied. I won't upgrade all my primary systems until 3.2.x (the usual "Oops, sorry, our bad!" release), but I'll be itching con Konvert all the Fedora Gore 1 systems to Fedora Kore.
As much as I welcome this news, I look much more forward to SCO rc 1 codenamed "McBride"...in about 10-15 yrs pending good behavior (stable?)
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
You are a computer-scientist? Yeah right.
A computer scientist studies (and at least supposedly understands) the science behind computers. A degree in CS doesn't mean you know how to use a particular environment, or compiler, or even that you know how to use email or a zip file.
As I like to say, I just build 'em... I don't know how to use 'em. I just finished my BS in CS, and guess what? Working in an IT department, I face all sorts of things that I don't understand. Installing a web server (or in this case, upgrading an environment) is a completely different skillset than (for example) designing an efficient cache or a better chess player.
In other words, STFU. Thanks.
Does anyone know how many of Apple's changes have made it into Konqueror?
It would be interesting to know how useful the Safari team's contributions have been.
Ex-f**king-actly. I swear, you say anything even moderately antithetical to the assumptions sitting behind a post on this site, and all hell breaks loose.
IMHO, what KDE needs is a better build system. The current one kinda sucks. It's so goddamn hard to compile and install a KDE app from source with all the directory requirements (all KDE apps have to be in the same --prefix if you want any advanced functionality like plugins) that makes it about impossible to build something and stow(8) it to /usr/local. No Gnome or GTK application I tried so far was so picky about it.
When something like this was possible, maybe all that stuff could be unbundled so that one could download kopete without getting the rest of the damn kdenetwork package.
Or perhaps I'm just depressed because Debian won't have 3.2 for a year or so.
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
Currently, the Qt license KDE uses will not allow it to port it to Windows, but in reality it is very much possible due to Qt's amazing portability.
Already KDE runs on Mac OS X quite well as packaged by the FINK project. Now, due to the dual license being available for Qt on Mac OS X, you can even run Konqueror, without the rest of KDE natively on it, no need for Xfree.
Anyone still packaging RPMs for Mandrake now that texstar's gone? While I'm asking, what other distros that aren't linked to by KDE have someone packaging KDE RPMs for them?
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Um... No, it doesn't. GNOME uses GTK. GIMP uses GTK. That's how they're related.
/usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 (0x4002e000) /usr/lib/libgdk-1.2.so.0 (0x40139000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-1.2.so.0 (0x40169000) /usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0 (0x4016c000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40191000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x40195000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4019d000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401ac000) /lib/i686/libm.so.6 (0x4028b000) /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (0x402ad000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
$ ldd `which gimp`
libgtk-1.2.so.0 =>
libgdk-1.2.so.0 =>
libgmodule-1.2.so.0 =>
libglib-1.2.so.0 =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libX11.so.6 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libc.so.6 =>
$
No GNOME libraries there. Compare it to the output of:
ldd `which gedit`
and you'll see what I'm talking about.
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
You want people who know what they're doing to test it out, as they'll have a better chance to identify problems.
I'd rather have people who don't know what they're doing test it out.. that way you'll be able to identify usability problems.
A computer scientist should also have some basic knowledge about computers in real life.
Knowing that beta-releases aren't for grandma is basic knowledge.
Knowing that end-users are using Linux distributions and do not download their DE themselves is also basic knowledge.
Somebody claiming to be a computer scientist who doesn't know that is either lying or has been at a real bad university.
I repeat: I was NOT talking about being able/willing to download and install every beta-release of KDE. I was ONLY talking about the knowledge of beta-releases in general and distributions.
I just finished my BS in CS, and guess what?
Guess what, if you complain that "grandma" can't install test-releases of software which is also meant to be preinstalled by the distribution, I will still call you a moron.
Frosting on a cow-pie does not a cupcake make.
Currently, Konquerer spells "File" as "Location" for an unknown reason.
Probably worth noting that gtk stands for Gimp Tool Kit. It's a widget set originally developed for Gimp . Later the Gnome team adopted it as their widget tool kit.
Now wash your hands.
Here's yet another way to put it... There are two types of Computer Scientists:
Neither of which are actual Science in the classical sense. Go figure.
HAND.
And now try:
/usr/local/lib/libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 (0x00c13000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 (0x00b0f000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 (0x00c21000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 (0x002a0000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 (0x00506000) /usr/local/lib/libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 (0x0088a000) /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x0061f000) /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00111000) /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x0017e000) /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x005f3000) /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00b3a000) /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 (0x00371000) /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0 (0x00198000) /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x001d1000) /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x00d0b000) /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x001e7000) /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x003c4000) /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x00394000) /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00b5e000) /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x00219000) /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x00db5000) /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x00caf000) /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x00c53000) /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x00ddc000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x003f7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x001a5000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x001c7000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x00c43000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x00d81000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x00d01000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x009e7000) /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0x00d5f000)
ldd `which gimp-1.3`
libgimpcolor-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmath-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpbase-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpmodule-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpthumb-1.3.so.24 =>
libgimpwidgets-1.3.so.24 =>
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
libatk-1.0.so.0 =>
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 =>
libm.so.6 =>
libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 =>
libpangox-1.0.so.0 =>
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 =>
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 =>
libpango-1.0.so.0 =>
libgobject-2.0.so.0 =>
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 =>
libdl.so.2 =>
libglib-2.0.so.0 =>
libfontconfig.so.1 =>
libfreetype.so.6 =>
libz.so.1 =>
libc.so.6 =>
libX11.so.6 =>
libXrandr.so.2 =>
libXi.so.6 =>
libXext.so.6 =>
libXft.so.2 =>
libXrender.so.1 =>
libexpat.so.0 =>
It's a little bit more, gimp 1.2 is going to outdated soon, so gimp 2.0 would be more valid for your comment
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Just for the record: Hitler was "spawned" in Austria...
KDE is by far the best engineered Linux GUI, however as Bill Gates proved the best is often not good enough for widespread adoption.
With Windows all you needed was to make it cheaper than the Macintosh and stifle all possible competition. In the open source community, you need to have the best software platform (KDE already does) and it needs to be acceptable to the community.
As I mentioned, KDE is by far the cleanest, most well-designed API/Software environment for Linux; however you need to please two more sectors to win the crown...
1) Users: It needs to be easy on the eyes and easy to work in. Its already easy to work in, but for god sakes get rid of that absolutely horrific Keramic theme. It looks like something you would find on a cheap, fake computer at Toys-R-Us. Just downright awful. PLEEZ, PLEEZ, PLEEZ use 'Plastic' or the nearest equivalent in the final release. This will make the users happy. It will make KDE look as good on the outside as on the inside.
2) The general systems integration, hardware and publishing community. I believe the real reason that KDE was not chosen for UserLinux is because (stay with me here) Canopy will benefit in a major way if QT becomes the default and preferred GUI library. *Not* because Canopy controls Trolltech or the KDE guys, but because the value of their stock will increase exponentially. Think! If software developers move over to Linux, it's going to be in a C++ environment. That means they initially need to re-package their class libraries and make their apps cross-compile to Linux and Windows. That means QT and the professional level of C++ code, documentation and support.
It's not that the general community doesn't want Trolltech to get a big reward for their excellent work, but they don't want Canopy to benefit at all. Not a dime. This was probably the deciding factor.
Message to Trolltech: DUMP CANOPY goddamnit. Don't you see that they are either acting as a parasite on Trolltech to make money off of Linux in some way (they don't deserve it) or they are acting as a poison pill so that the best GUI environment can't be assimilated. This slows down Linux on the desktop considerably. By splitting the Linux development resources in half and contaminating the best GUI they force desktop Linux/Gnome to re-invent the wheels that were already invented and done better in KDE.
Dump Canopy! They don't control you, but they contaminate you. Don't worry. In the end IBM will own those shares after all of Canopy and SCO's assets are forfit to IBM and RedHat. The worst part is if Microsoft buys SCO and Canopy before the trial is over as an escape hatch. Then MS will own a chunk of you until that battle is resolved. If MS owned a chunk of TrollTech no opensource developer would touch QT with a twenty-mile cattleprod.
Dump Canopy before it's too late.
Can someone please explain what KDE is. Apparently it's not a window manager... So what is it? (I haven't used Linux since the days of fvwm.)
Don't take him so literally though (about his grandmother), he is trying to make a point: In order to make it on the desktop, Mr/Mrs. Average Citizen needs to be able to install and/or upgrade things, even as complex as kde, without a hassle. The thing is, Linux is not there yet, but it will be if folks as dedicated as the KDE team seem to be keep doing what they're doing. What will hold it back are the people who get in a huff when people point out the real need to make it easy for the average user.
No-one is taking your command line (and all the power that it has) away from you. vi will always be there. :-) But the great unwashed masses out there would rather things be easy so they can use most of their time using the software, and not configuring it, and certainly not learning to configure it. If it is so complicated they need to study, they won't use it, and the idea of Linux on the desktop will fail. Windows didn't become popular because IT profesionals recommended it. It became popular because the accountants and other business users understood it, used it at home, and wanted their companies to purchase a tool that they could use easily without requiring too much training. Don't get nasty about this, it is true. It is one of the reasons MS makes so much money. It is a system that has a very low learning curve. I think with the great new Linux install packages that come with most of the major distributions (e.g. Suse, Mandrake, Redhat), things are moving that way, and will continue to do so... it's just a matter of time. Rome wan't built in a day (and all that).
My criticism here is (trying to be) constructive criticism... from someone who likes Linux (and has used it for several years) but also is frustrated with sometimes spending more time installing and configuring things than being able to use them (part of the reason is that yes, I am trying things that most desktop users wouldn't need to do). For example, I would like to be able to install the latest version of MySQL (their binary at their advice) without it telling me that an rpm installed on my system is not the right version... causing me to research how to complete the installation. It may be a surprise to some that I would actually like to program something with it, and learn the new features of the latest release, without waiting for a new distro... and not necessarily on how to install it. Same goes for KDE (and I do prefer KDE over other Linux desktops). The MS advantage that people talk about is that you can install a new version of most software without worrying about getting version errors, or errors reporting that your rpm package is not correct... Mind you, I don't like MS's corporate practices so I keep trying to stick to Linux... and it is sometimes a trying experience.
Perhaps if there could be a way for rpm type installs (or others) to check 'levels' instead of just version numbers. If you have a level that supports a set of public API's you could set up a system where even if a different version is out, as long as the standard API's still exist, then all is well. So you could have version 1.0 and version 1.1 both able to meet API level 1. i.e. You might have changed the internal workings of a function (for security or whatever), thus creating a new version (which might tell you if the correct security patch has been applied), but you wouldn't get screwed up on dependancies when installing a package when it looks for the older version of whatever library it needs. It would check the API level, see the correct one, even if the vers
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Funny how your picking apps that were never meant to be "Gnome" apps in the first place. These were all independant apps that were NOT built from the ground up to be Gnomified. Mozilla is the de facto "GNOME" browser? Since when? I could just as easily say "use that new neat QT wrapper thingy that makes gtk apps behave like QT apps". Who has all of the "good apps" then?
Gnome has a habit of just picking the best apps and then "adopting" them so I don't think its fair to start saying these apps are blowing away KDE counterparts. Since when can't you run Gimp, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org in KDE? You can, thus your point is moot. Try and get over the whole Gnome or KDE has better apps thingy. Be happy that you can run any of these apps easily from any Window Manager.
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"The what?"
"The bolour supplement!"
"The colour supplement?"
"Yes. I'm sorry I can't say the letter B."
"C?"
"Yes, that's right. It's all due to a trauma I suffered when I was a spoolboy. I was attacked by a bat."
"A cat?"
"No, a bat."
"Can you say the letter 'K'?"
"Oh yes. Khaki, king, kettle, Kuwait, Keble Bollege Oxford."
"Why don't you use the letter 'K' instead of the letter 'C'?"
"What do you mean
"Yes."
"Kolour... Oh, that's very good, I never thought of that."
Lemon curry???
"yum search MySQL"
"yum install MySQL"
I can identify with laboriously trying to install mysql.
Then I heard of yum.
You really don't have to deal with compiling programs... you really don't have to worry about installing rpms... hell, you really don't have to worry about finding it on the internet.
All you really need to be able to do is know the name of the program.
Then "yum install program" or "yum update program".
If your distro keeps a yum repo, then you don't have to wait for the next release of the distro to come out. You just have to wait for someone to put it in yum. I mean, I hear people saying that they probably won't get the new KDE until some distro version down the road... but if their distro is like (for example) fedora, then it's just a matter of time before it'll be available through a mechanism which is stupid simple to install.
-Norm
No, there are computer scientists and there computer engineers, just as there are physicists and civil engineers. Theory and research. Practical application. A practitioner in either field is enhanced (although less employable. Go figure) by having knowledge of the other, but can operate in his own field completely ingnorant of the other if need be.
I can't say I've ever been entirely happy with calling most computer types "engineers" either. I believe DEC might have been the first to do this with their code monkeys. It's the same sort of "fake promotion" that occurs when you call a garbageman a "sanitary engineer," or a minimum wage counter clerk a business "Associate."
That such doublespeak titles have made their way into the academic halls speaks ill of our culture.
This isn't to say that there aren't people who legitimately deserve the title "Computer Engineer," but there are perhaps some thosands of them, compared to the millions who bear the nominal title.
A tech friend of mine has it right. "Really, I'm just a janitor. A well payed, nicely dressed janitor, but just a janitor. Someone makes a mess of a computer. I clean it up. Physical plant stuff, like fixing a leaky faucet. The engineer is the guy who designed the faucet."
As for computer scientists I dare say there are no more than a few handfuls who truly work in the field of computer science.
Turing, Von Neumann, Dijkstra, Codd, Knuth. These are examples of computer scientists. Even Feynman, when he was working out the best way for a room full of secretaries "armed" with old fashioned crank adding machines to work more productively, was a true computer scientist while so employed.
Some guy at Oracle trying to figure out how to cram Java and XML down SQL's throat no matter how badly it gags on it is not.
He isn't even an engineer or a hacker. He's just a common hack.
KFG
I think this only goes to show how much the project has matured over the years. The first release of any new software will normally be riddled with bugs and lacking in features. There's an immense amount of work to be done, and major improvements can come about rapidly. As the software improves, however, there's less to be done, so it takes a while before enough changes can be made to warrant a new release. Ideally, a program would be so refined that a new release wouldn't be needed, ever.
First, most of these programs you mention aren't GNOME. Mozilla, Gaim, GIMP are not GNOME apps. They are plain GTK+ apps. GNOME is based on GTK+, but they are not the same thing.
And just because some GTK+ apps are better than KDE/Qt equivalents doesn't mean KDE/Qt doesn't have it's own killer apps. Quanta+ is by far the best HTML editor around, Kate is the ultimate GUI text editor, Konqueror in file manager mode beats Nautilus hands down. KMPlayer plays formats most other media players can't.
And as far as office suites go, don't discount KOffice. True, it's not as mature as OpenOffice.org, but the interface is perfect. Give it a year or two and it'll overtake OO.o and the GNOME office apps (AbiWord, Gnumeric, etc).
In fact, the only GNOME app I regularly use is Galeon (which I'm using to post this). And I'm referring to Galeon 1.2.x here...1.3.x is truly horrid, but 1.2.x rocks. And even with web browsers, the gap is closing...Konqueror isn't quite as good as Galeon 1.2.x, but it's getting there.
I do, however, use some non-GNOME GTK+ apps. I use Gaim, GIMP, Mozilla Thunderbird, and XMMS quite frequently. GTK-Gnutella and XChat are also good programs.
And even with both Qt and GTK+ being themable, Qt still just...looks better than GTK+. Qt just feels less clunky than GTK+. Don't ask me to explain it...I've tried various themes for both toolkits, and Qt always just looks better.
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Maybe some people will set up a bit-torrent or edonkey directory...
F B6 F5BE58E8E3DDEDA051717D1EA3DFD|/a ccessibility-3.1.95.tar.tar|12998 24|7CD4E97460899BBB40832AC0905FC28B|/l e|kdeaddons-3.1.95.tar.tar|1362993|C8E7 49B68FF5AB73E04104286B169ADB|/d min-3.1.95.tar.tar|1604464|3DF83 500A2B2D411511249DD2196FF0A|/
ed2k://|file|kde-i18n-3.1.95.tar.tar|161190315|
ed2k://|file|kde
ed2k://|fi
ed2k://|file|kdea
and so on...
You have to take into account that today's KDE has a lot more applications and components than the 2.x series. KDE has made huge leaps and bounds in functionality since then.
Personally I'd rather they spent plenty of time on releases making sure they are stable and polished, rather than release something that is buggy or incomplete.
> Is Safari completely merged for 3.2?
No.. but some big portions of it are.
> How is the relationship between Apple and the
kde project?
Good.. the khtml developers and apple have a private mailing list where they roll changes back between KDE and Webcore.
"I noticed a couple of downmods here. I was just wondering: Why is this post considered flamebait?
I ask because I don't have any NFI what QT, GTK, or Glib, or Bonobo is. Kinda wish the dude used the post button instead of a mod point."
Flamebait? That is one of the dumbest moderations I have ever seen. I hope the metamods get you.
I agree, a simpler install, upgrade, uninstall method is needed. I think AppDirs are a great step in that direction. Rox has em... check it out. I would LOVE it if KDE started to use AppDirs... and drag and drop save as well for that matter :)
Debian unofficial experimental packages here
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http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~aschultz/debian
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isnt the KDE team currently getting a version of KDE ready for Mac OS X? It doesnt take a genius to figure out where this is heading.
the jump from KDE 2.x to 3.x was immense. I remember upgrading from 2 to 3 and i couldnt believe the performance increase. 2 was clunky, 3 was smooth. By all accounts i've read , 3.2 looks like its a major leap forward in removing bloat. Apparently it works well on lower end systems - systems that simply weren't powerful enough for 3.1 , although i've yet to try it out on my 700mhz 128mb system.
get our bugs in now, if you have them folks!
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
is still the weak point for me. Specifically its privacy features (or lack thereof). Until konqueror gets an ad blocking feature as sophisticated as the Mozilla "Adblock" extension, you can have my Firebird when you pry it from my cold, dead HDD.
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
No, there should not be a button within kde. Your KDE will update once your distro tests it and finds it stable enough for prime-time use, and then one of:
*emerge -uUD world
*apt-get dist-upgrade
*up2date
*yum (insert command here never used yum)
will update your system for you. I'd personally be appalled if KDE auto-updated me, placing it out of sync with the rest of my system.
MSWord doesn't even auto-update patches... you have to go to officeupdate.ms.com in your browser to update it!
Any chance of a pager where you can move the windows on the pager itself (as in enlightenment) or virtual desktops (not multiple) soon?
"The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible" - Albert Einstein
I severely doubt that Canopy's involvement swayed Bruce's decision. As he said, it's because Gnome and KDE are pretty damn close to one another in terms of functionality, at least if you consider just a simple desktop, and Gtk is LGPL and Qt is not. In other words, easier to develop commercial products for Gnome. No, the irony of that is not lost on me :)
Personally, I'm a KDE fan. Gnome just doesn't match up to it, in my opinion. As as a coder who's poked about with both systems, Qt is so, so much ahead of Gtk, and KDE put better together as a whole. Which is sorta nice to know.
However, as long as Gnome and KDE get more compatable with one another, I'm hardly one to complain. Open source software isn't much pressured by commericalism, so we don't have a Windows vs. Mac scenario. Applications can be easily used on both platforms. There's no lock in. And the more the two projects cooperate with one another, the happier everyone will be.
Look at all this wasted energy on splitting efforts and causing pointless competition. Now instead of having one hugely powerful desktop with the best of both worlds, we get these silly rivalries, when Linux really needs to pull its shit together and back one superior project. Even Linus thinks it'll be another 5 to 10 years. Why haven't people combined projects yet?
Usability comes after refinement of stability and other important aspects.
Don't worry, Microsoft made the same mistake.
"We invented personal computing." - Bill Gates
Ah, thanks for the heads up Mr. Anonymous Coward.
"We invented personal computing." - Bill Gates
Alright, here's the deal guys... there are folders on KDE's FTP that have both the sources as well as contributed packages for various distributions, including big-name ones like Mandrake, Slackware, or SuSE. Download the packages for your distro, learn how to upgrade packages with your package manager, and upgrade away.
Honestly, it's not that hard. I used KDE 3.1 betas for a long time in Slackware before it was officially released and the next version of Slackware rolled around. If you need help figuring out how to upgrade the packages in your distro, try asking people on IRC, mailing lists, or forums.
GUI tools that would do things like Windows Update does are amazingly difficult to bring to life. As far as I know, if you're not afraid to do at least a little bit of CLI work, Mandrake's urpmi can easily be adapted to use Cooker repositories (Cooker is the development branch). Fedora Core comes with yum which can use multiple repositories (Maybe something similar to Rawhide?) that are not too hard to find. SuSE, well, I dunno about SuSE, to be honest with you. I certainly don't think that SuSE users should use anything but YaST2, since YaST never has liked other programs or people managing what it traditionally takes care of.
P.S. -- If you really want to keep up to date, sources are the best thing since sliced bread. Don't use a binary distribution, or learn the gritty details of how the system you're using works and how to keep your custom packages from breaking the whole thing down.
"We invented personal computing." - Bill Gates
Mozilla Firebird runs wonderfully under KDE (which is how I can bring you this wonderful message) and OpenOffice does, too. Last time I checked, neither were part of the Gnome core applications.
The part about Gimp is obviously true, and I would add that -- as far as I understand it -- the best stable video cutting software on Linux, Kino, is Gnome-based despite the name, too.
Please, there is enough FUD in the world without adding to it from the inside.
are there any screenshots of 3.2 anywhere? is the look and feel any different? the kde.org site doesn't seem to have any yet.
First at all, MS didn't dominated the marked because Windows were the most easy to use OS in the world, at the time many people where very confortable with DOS.
They domitate because they bundled Windows with every PC out there, everyone haved installed, it comed pre-installed!, that's why everybody could use Windows, they get used to it. They even mistake a computer with windows! I still see people that even drops to MS-DOS to work, they know it better.
It's just choice, not all the people have it.
Back to the topic, yeah 3.2 sems to be great, rock solid quality software as ever.
Kudos to the KDE Team.
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Heading towards a version of KDE for Mac OS X?
Heading towards a choice, for Mac OS X, between two browsers using the KHTML code - Konqueror and Safari?